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White House directs staff to wear face masks in the West Wing
"President trump now requires anyone who enters the west wing to wear a face covering after two aides tested positive for cove nineteen that includes employees learned about. I see everybody just about. Everybody has a face mask on. They've learned about face masks good in the bed by the way it's not a one sided thing. Believe it or not until now most White House staff have not worn masks. The President says he still doesn't plan to wear one.
Shadow White House Press Briefing
"And. Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart. Welcome to words matter. I'm Katie Barlow. Our goal is to promote objective reality. As a wise, man, once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not their own facts. Words have power and words have consequences. Welcome to a special bonus edition of words matter. I'm Adam LeVine, katie's on assignment show me back next week. So Joe tell us about the shadow White House briefing, while it really kind of started as a lark as I think, everyone is aware, or should be aware. Sarah Sanders, who's the White House press secretary is not held a briefing now and over two months, and I have a lot of familiarity with the briefing room having soon there about two hundred and fifty times taking questions and I went through a series of emotions of jealousy that, she didn't have to brief and then really bordering on outrage that this important thing is not being done, and I was sitting talking to some friends one night. And one of them said, why don't you just do your own? And I said, well, how would I do my own? And they said Twitter, I thought why not Stu my own? We were literally sitting around Saturday night at our dinner table. And I said, that's an interesting idea. And she said, no, no take the computer out right now. And we took the computer out and started and did it a couple times for fun. Got a good response. So I started this week doing a regular what I call shadow briefing. It's fun and important, I'll take the fun part. I, I get to answer questions the way I look at some of the outrageous things Trump administration's does I also get play out a little game? We used to play in my office, as we're getting ready for the briefing, which was if you could say anything, you can answer this. Anyway. How would you answer it? And we won't give their best answer none of which we could use. And this is a little form where I can just use the best answer. I can think of that's the fun part. The important part is even if it's just to a small audience, it's surfacing, the important questions. It surfacing, the things that on a daily basis, the White House should be addressing on any. Given day when the papers are talking about massing hundreds of thousands of troops and the White House and the Pentagon are both absent in that conversation. It should be pointed out that they are absent in that conversation. And if they don't wanna engage and defend their position people should get in and, and define it for them. So it's a very small effort to do that. It has a serious purpose wouldn't do it, if it didn't have a series purpose. I also wouldn't do it if it wasn't a little bit of fun to just to put into context, the press been covering presidents and white houses since we've had presidents in white houses. They used to wait outside Lincoln's door a in some research for this episode. I looked up the first White House briefing was held by Woodrow Wilson. Former college professor who was pretty comfortable at electron and on March. Fifteenth nineteen thirteen more than one hundred years ago, eleven days into office. Explain a little bit of the importance of the briefing and then talk about how you would prepare for it. Well, the brief. Is an essential part of our democracy before everybody starts going. Oh, you're over blowing that it's just the breathing. It really is not everybody wants to tune into the White House briefing, every day. But they have the opportunity to so every day, Monday through Friday with some exceptions. Sometimes you on the weekend. If there are questions reporters service, proxy for the American public, the American voters, and they put hard questions to the press secretary, they prob- they dissect they criticize. But it is a great opportunity, not just for the public to see their government at work, and really one of the only opportunities to see at least the executive branch at worked beyond photo ops. But it's also something that's important for the administration to go out and frame, the agenda frame, the issues and build public support for whether you're for raising taxes lowering taxes. Cutting edge occasion, spending increasing education, spending, the briefing, a place where you can go out and make that case. And that case can be stress test with group of reporters who are quite intelligent, always prepared and often, very clever in the way they go after I've often said that the secret of the success of press. Secretary is not answering the first question. It's understanding in the first question what the third questions going to be, and making sure that you don't tie yourself up and not I don't know where you get that skill. But the good press secretaries have it you mentioned in. It's not about what policies, I think, again, it's important, remind people that briefing room that you worked in and gave all those briefings that was established by Richard Nixon, somebody who wasn't necessarily known for his friendly and warm and fuzzy press relations, but to democratic and Republican administrations. This has been a staple talk about your experience and how your day began how it was geared to that briefing. How many did a day because people are under the impression that White House only did one talk about the process. How you prepared? I think it's really important because this is what we don't have one now. But this is what real white houses, do you're about to hear what real white is do when they prepare to engage with the press. Let me start by answering that connecting it to the first question which is one of the other great benefits of the briefing. It imposes a discipline on any White House. What do I mean by that? Well, if you know that the briefings at one o'clock, and there are a couple of decision points that people are wrestling with in the morning, you don't you wanna make decisions by one o'clock. If forces you to make decisions by one o'clock. You really don't want the press secretary deciding for you. And it is a great leverage point to sit with two policy people yelling at each other saying, hey guys, relax. I got it. I'll decide what the policy is unless you call me before one. There is a real discipline there and not only the staff at a place to the president. The presence. Knows that if he wants to get the most out of a policy announcement or policy initiative using all of his assets. The briefing being one of them. You've gotta be you've got to be ready to do it and that discipline, you can see that discipline missing. And the Trump White House, the fact that they tend to chase tweets the president in the morning, we'll get up and tweet fifteen times and their strategy is to run around and try to figure out what he meant as opposed to the opposite of knowing what you wanna do going out and selling it and, you know, taking the hard questions, and there are times where you're selling something, and the criticism is legitimate and harsh and biting and you go back to work, and do better than ex time there were you didn't wanna go out there. Right. The days that were hard where the days that there wasn't much going on. Because on as where there wasn't much going on reporters will after their own devices to sit around all morning and come up with the triple loop. Reverse trick question that you had no idea the answer. You give it a try. And there were some days, you just knew you were going to go in and get battered because the facts on the ground meant you deserved it. I tried to take it personally. There was some days, I probably did. But it really wasn't about me. It was about what the president thought what the president was decided what the administration was doing and the results of whatever it is. We were doing rather than what I thought about it. But those days were much easier to prepare for because you knew what was coming the days that you got surprised were the ones that were a little harder, obviously, it was always more fun, when you were going out with good news. I mean I was lucky enough to be the White House press secretary during the only time since I believe the nineteen seventies or maybe even the nineteen sixties when we were running a budget surplus on a monthly basis, you are and, and every month going out with what the budget number was, it was like how big can. My smile look at this number. And you know, we'd have the presence every every we'd have the president of go out and take a marker and do the chart going up on surplus. And he kept saying this is ridiculous. Why do we you keep making me do this? And I would say back, we'll have you stopped doing it. When it stops working, sir. He goes as a working. Oh, yeah. It's working. And he'd go do it. So there is a as I said a discipline, there's days, you want to go out. There is a lot of preparation that goes in and I let me put it in a couple of buckets, the first before you go out your first time, you know, not all administrations have this luxury, but, for instance I was the deputy press secretary for two years. So it was very involved in everything going on. But because Mike McCurry was more focused and his interest was in foreign policy. I tended to defer to Mike on foreign policy and handle, a lot of the domestic stuff, and then Mike, you know, he turned to me before the briefing and say, you know, run me through. These things. So before I took the job, and there was a two month period between being announced and taking over. I went to what we called NFC school, national Security Council school. I sat for eight hours, a day, five days a week for two months and was schooled on every American relationship in the world. It was fascinating. I mean it was like a graduate course that you could die for and I learned an enormous amount. And I also learned that there was a lot. I didn't know I learned that they were places in the world where if you move to comma or raised an eyebrow, during a sense you could set off a war. I kind of looked at it as the, the Cyprus Taiwan, Cuba, Middle East nexus that sounds humorous, but expand on it a little bit Joe that it was deadly serious, and why that was because these were places that were entrenched. Disputes marked with violence, where all sides spent all of their waking hours looking for signs that their adversaries were moving or that they're the honest broker the Americans were moving and making policy, and you just couldn't convince them that, oh, I was just winging it today. If you happen to just wing, it someday, or phrase something the wrong way, it became part of the dispute itself as opposed to you were make your articulating US. Yeah. And so you have to very careful about that. So there was that torn the land mine. So it's that way learning actually land mines was an issue at the time. But those were the political, and she oh, political land mines, but I had to learn about the rest of the world and most relevantly. What our relationship was what, what was our relationship with the Baltics? I don't know that I'd spent five minutes in my life thinking about that before, but I spent eight hours. One day being walked through country by country who's the leader, what are the politics who's the opposition? What, what our mutual interest? What is the friction? How did these countries relate to Russia and our relationship with Russia, everything you need to know? And when I finally got up to brief, I got up with a whole lot more confidence. Now, in fact, there was a, there was an incident during this and at this two month interim period where Mike McCurry who was my predecessor was on vacation, and the USS Cole was attacked remember. Well, and you know Mike. And I quickly got on the phone and Mike was adamant. He said, do not go out and brief, you can only go out and undercut yourself if you make a mistake, we had a guy on our staff, who is a Lieutenant Colonel, who was on loan from the Pentagon, Greg Abbott named PJ Crowley. And so we said, PJ, this is years. I'm going, I'm going, I'll stay at school, and it was three days of intense, media attention and PJ did so. Well, that Newt Gingrich went to the floor of the house said something like the White House is finally figured something out. I really like this Colonel PJ guy. I didn't let him have the job, but I stayed at school. That was like preschool before getting to the real job. Once you start the real job, you have a routine I would get to the White House at about six thirty in the morning and meetings would start about seven fifteen. There was a meeting of a very small group of people five or six people with the chief of staff. There was a broader meeting with the chief of staff trying to figure out what was going on that day. What had happened overnight and what we needed to say or do or change in the schedule with the president, and those meetings, doesn't the press secretary, usually begin the discussion because it's always about what's going on the news, you're the most up to date on what's going on. You sort of had to go into those as prepared. And then learn during the me, that's why I would get an early because I'd want to figure out what, what the press was interested. But it wasn't just the press secretary national Secu. Advisor had a sense of what's happening on the ground. If there was a flash point, the chief staff, and some of the political people, we had generally also at that meeting was either Bob Rubin. And then Larry Summers as chief economic people, and Janet Yellen was part of the group because she was running the CA at the time. And then we'd go to a broader meeting with the assistance of the president and the Roosevelt room, which is about twenty five people senior staff. See that senior staff going around the room of what everybody's going on. So I it's a process. It's an interactive process. I am learning what people are doing, but you're also impacting what people are doing by saying all hold on a second. I whoever just said the HUD, secretaries doing that today. Oh, no. They're not. That doesn't fit with what we're doing. I would do to more meetings one with the national security communications team internal at the White House, and then the rest of my team and now it's nine fifteen and at nine thirty. Press comes in for the first time to do what we call the press gaggle. I have no idea where that term came from but it basically was an off camera on the record briefing at nine thirty. Which go for about a half an hour and it was just more informal than the in the briefing room. But still had the same stakes there was no video of it, the press wanted to know first and foremost, what the president was doing that day. And they wanted to get some initial reaction to anything that had happened overnight or late in the day. So you'd walk through the schedule, and then they'd say, well, you know, the speaker of the house made this speech last night, the presidency it, what's his reaction, the great part about the gag on. Why I can't figure out why people got rid of it is it allows the White House to drive the, the agenda for the day. What's done in that session, is what the press absent something else changing goes and tries to get reaction from everyone else. From it was a good news driver. It was also a great session for us in figuring out, whether what we were trying to do that. They was going to work, I would say at least once a week, I finish the gaggle after doing my sales job of, here's what we're doing today. Pay attention. This is really important. I'd walk over to the chief of staff offices and say they're not buying. This is the story. They're doing today. Let's change it up. Let's have the president address that story or let's, let's do something different about once a week, we would then have to go over to the oval and talked to the president about. I know we told you, we're going to do this, but we wanna do that for these reasons. The president was often skeptical because he didn't like his schedule and his agenda driven by the press, but over time he grew to trust me that I knew when we could push. And when we had to back off, we would always say, well, your friends in the press thinking, I'd say, well today, I agree with them, sir. And we I think we should. I think we should do airbase. This was an opportunity for you to do an induced cycle correction, and making adjustments to get your message to be effective with that. So that by the time you stood at that podium. A couple hours later. It's a good phrase and cycle when you can use your instinct of what you think the press is going to do, but much better ways to just do a session with them because it isn't just one person. You've got thirty people crowded into the press secretary's office, who all come in with a slightly different idea of what the day is. But all kind of walk out with the same idea based on the input. They all gave if someone thought China was the big issue, but seven people in a row of asked about the Middle East. The guy thought China's thinking maybe China isn't the story today. There's a bit of a group mentality that develops and it gives us the ability to address that by ten o'clock in the morning. You've done seven or eight meetings. But that's the most important part of the preparation. The thing that I tell people who have gone on to do the job is. You can study all the briefing book. She want the and you need to do that. But what you have to do is you have to be part of every process because the way you can fully understand, and represent the president is being part of the, the, the process. Sometimes just witnessing it other times weighing in where you thought it was important, and then also being engaged with the president on a regular basis. And just getting a sense of what was in his mind the president elect to play hearts. And when I got the job, I had no idea how to play hearts. But I my instinct told me the way I'd be able to mine him for information without him thinking, I'm you know, asking him a bunch of questions that he doesn't want to answer was that after in how to play hearts. So I got a computer program taught myself how to play hearts, and I don't know. We were playing the second or third time. And I've made a play ultimate goes, you're not a computer. Didn't you? Yeah. Nothing gets by you sir on flights. Sometimes play for three and four hours and it'd be a have to not be listening to not know what the president was thinking, because the. Conversation would range from talking to his mother-in-law to the fact that he had to get up and leave to mediate a civil war. I'm not sure he would appreciate this. But there was maybe I'll do it this way. There was a civil war that was going on, on another content that he was mediating. And he was on with the two presidents one time and he didn't wanna stop the hearts game. And so we kept going, and he was mediating it and somewhat did something that he didn't like, and he sort of let out an expletive, and that had to spend the next two minutes saying, Mr President, that wasn't directed at you somewhat just walked in here. And, and we're all like maybe we should stop this game. Now, maybe maybe diplomacy is more important than this game. But that proximity to the president in our White House wasn't hearts. It was baseball you had to learn. I was not a huge baseball fan. I'm to this day, I think George W Bush for several things. One of them is a huge baseball fan, but that proximity like you said those moments, those unscripted those scheduled meeting moments, those are hugely important for. Prospect. Yeah. So if you're looking at the day you finish all of these meetings, you're part of the process between ten and one you're doing two things. You're dipping in and out of meetings, as decisions are being made, and you're doing the hardcore studying we used to think called the briefing book. It's nothing. No. And it barely changed over the year. It's a black binder, the only thing I did. When I got there was, I did at the I couldn't find anything and I said, can you please just alphabetize this? So I you know, it's Cyprus I know it's at the beginning, if it's Russia. I know it's near the end what I would do to prepare is I would read the entire briefing book every day, and most of it had been in their day after day after day, I'd still go through it quickly. And you find by the third time you've read through it. You had it done entire team to. And again, I'm sure your deputies and assistant press secretaries are doing the same thing in terms of talking reporters figure out what they're interested in big collaborative process when you go out and represent the United States, government and say. Words that matter to them and fish alerts, you're prepared. Yeah. There's enormous amount of coordination. They were people in, in our press office, who reached out everyday to every agency. There used to be a sequence of briefings where I believe the State Department went I the Pentagon second and I went third. So the head of public affairs, the state's -partment ahead of public affairs that Pentagon, and I would get on the phone every day at just before the State Department out, just to make sure we did two things on the call. Make sure we were all on the same page and you'd be surprised how often there'd be some nuances that, that we then have to go to the policy makers and say, sort this out because Madeleine Albright's saying something slightly different than Bill Cohen at the Pentagon. And Secondly we would have a discussion of ownership who's going to own this who's going to take the lead is a State Department thing and should we all for. Or is this a White House thing, and it wasn't exactly democracy, but it worked? Well, I think the president. Had the ultimate vote. He wanted to come from the White House. They would come from the White House. But most days, it was just kind of sorting through these three things you've got. And, and then I would watch the State Department every day. Pentagon was just like twice a week and watch that. And then be ready to go out and brief Jill. You talked about going to an SE school, and I remember after nine eleven when I serve at the White House Condoleeza Rice would sometimes sit in on a very important day, watch that Pentagon. We had the Pentagon briefing which they moved to every day after nine eleven right before ours. And she would instruct now I think our press secretary, did a lot more training wheels than your than you did. But they were really, really important topic, I was told there were certain things I couldn't say talk about those really important moments those national emergencies, those international crisis. Those tragedies where in some sense, the world is looking to that podium to see what the reaction of the White House, the president of the United States is. Is there are places in the world where even a pause at a certain point will cause both sides to seize on what did the White House mean by this, and I kind of put them in the category of there was China Taiwan, probably the most sensitive about language the Middle East India Pakistan, where it was very important to speak, clearly, and consistently. And then Greece Cyprus and you really needed to stick to the script, that's what I would do most days. And every once in a while you get in trouble by going off a little bit. But the day I got in the most trouble revealed a little trick of the trade, there was a reporter who came to the whitest from Greece Greek reporter and came every day to, to the room and asked a question everyday, and the arrangement that I had with him was, I can't spend all morning, researching everything that's going on between Greece and Cyprus. So if you want me to, if you want to get what you need, which is an answer. You're going to have to give us the question. Vance only person in the briefing that ever gave us a question man's reporters to sort of say, hey, we're really interested in couple of reporters would say, we're going to be a non next week I'm doing a setup story. So I'm gonna ask you today. You know, you know, so that you have a chance to review the stuff if you haven't. So this Greek reporter came in, I got into a lot of trouble one day because he asked two questions and I'd never paid attention to the to his questions before, because I always had the answers any hit a very thick accent. So he asked a question I had no idea, whether it was the first question the second question I asked him to repeat it. I still couldn't figure out what it was. I asked him repeated a third time I finally turned to one of my deputies and said was that number one or number two? And he said, number two, and I gave the number two. I'll let me give you another example, a one Friday, late night, early morning about three o'clock in the morning, the phone rang at home, and it was the situation room saying that there was a report, the John Kennedy juniors plane was missing. He had been flying from Manhattan to Martha's Vineyard. You know that's just one of those stories, you know. However, it turns out, it's going to be an international story right before July fourth weekends. It was a little slow in the news. Yeah, so my day started at three thirty. And for whatever reason it wasn't something that was picked up on quickly. So we had time when I went into the office to prepare everyone for putting this story out and being the trusted source of news information as opposed to people just didn't know what they were talking about that involve the coastguard the NTSB ages involves everyone and, and I kind of on the fly decided that there was a great guy at the coast guard. I got every government agency on the phone. And said until further notice, the only people who are going to speak about this issue is either the White House or the Admiral. And I said, I I'm here at the White House, I don't plan on speaking about this, and then I got on with the Admiral, and I said to him, the story is irresistible, so not only do you have to talk. You have to talk on a regular basis. So he set up a system where at the top of every hour, he did a briefing even if he hit nothing new to say, but at the top, and we, you know, we know how tragically that story turned out, America's first political family. It was a terrible tragedy, but it highlighted how hard it is to get credible. Real information out there and to try to stop down as many of the rumors as you can, and that this was a day, mostly because we had a little bit of a head start that we were able to do that, it did not do anything to alleviate the grief of the family, but, I think, not having wild speculate. Ration- out there was appreciated and everything we did was first cleared by the family. Anything we said we would go to the represent of the families, and say, here's what we're planning to do. Here's more planning to say and they, they had a chance to participate in the process. I'll give you one last example, early in nineteen ninety nine we had a military action in coastal. There was a lot of misinformation, put up by Milosevic and his government for whatever reason couldn't get NATO you know engaged in the game. And I always remember when you come in the western -secutive driveway, he come in the doors on the situation room is on your right? And as you know, I always would go in there. I get my intelligence briefing and say to the executive secretary of the situation room, what's going on, and this morning, I went in and everybody kind of looked at me and like normally just get playing stairs. Everybody's kind of looking at like. You know that I put my pants on backwards or something. And I went over to the guy who running the situation room and he had the briefing, but he sort of had it open. And he was just pointing say said, you might wanna read this one. I and I said, well, what is it said? It's the transcript of President Clinton and prime minister Blair's phone conversation. I was like, listen, I, I'm I got about what are they talking about? And he said, you, I thought, okay, I'll read this one and it was blaring Clinton about how badly their PR teams were handling the messaging around the operation coastal, I got on the phone with Blair's person. And we both got on the phone with the head of the NATO communication. It was in that phone call. I realized that this guy had a staff of two I'd never asked him whether he was staffed up. This was all my fault Alastair Campbell, who was with Prime Minister Blair shared in the blame. But we just neither one of us had taken the step to go and look at, like how quick are they, they were just not a quip? There was a very bright guy running it. But he. Didn't have. So we got all of the NATO countries on the phone, very quickly that morning. And by the end of the day, we at each donated to communicators to the NATO operation so that an Alice term self went over and within a week or so. They were highly functioning communication sperm. And so it's a long way of saying, you do well in these situations, if you're prepared if you're not prepared you're going to get caught up in finally Joe, when you think of the importance of. Managing the press managing the story as we said, presidents aren't necessarily fond of their coverage from the White House LBJ famously said that if he could get up from behind his desk, walk across the Potomac on top of the water over the Pentagon. Washington Post headline next day would read president can't swim doll Trump thinks by kicking the White House press corps out of the process, somehow, he's helping himself is this, a good communication strategy than additional all the other problems with it's hard to pin Trump down on this issue. Because some people make the case that he thinks the press is relevant and given the social media tools that he has Twitter. Facebook other tools, you don't need the press. He can speak directly to his supporters that assessment is wrong only because he's obsessed with the press. He's obsessed with what CNN saying about him. He's obsessed with the what the New York Times he's obsessed with what? Maggie Haberman is writing about him because, you know, take, for example, she grew up in New York City, politics, and covered city hall, and they have known each other end of each other for a long time. So he is the classic narcissist who needs constant reinforcement. So he's more interested in what the press is doing. And saying that I think any recent president may you have to go back to Nixon, you can tell by his tweeting that he's watching a lot. He's not only watching those who praise him the, the Fox News nation, the info wars, you know, the crazy conspiracy theories. He's watching the mainstream media to. He's watching CNN and MSNBC because he gets outraged by and I doubt there someone coming in saying, hey, Mr President, I think you should know and be outraged by this, Joe. Scarborough, just yes in one of the shadow briefings coming back today. I did a sort of tongue in cheek version of the PR. President schedule which is get up have breakfast, watch FOX and friends tweet have breakfast again, put FOX back on our tweeting again. Put CNN on get really mad are really tweeting star rage tweeting. So he really is. I think I'm nominally of a presence. I clearly think it doesn't help. I'm not giving President Trump credit for the economy, but you know, this is a president who has had dozens of moments where he could if he showed some discipline, communicate what his administration's doing take credit for things. Whether it's deserved or not, and really focus, the communications on the things that people care about, and every time he takes himself, off course, and he takes himself off course because he believes that it's all about him. He believes he's the victim. He believes that people are being fair, and he's incapable of not punching. I'm back, even when it would be much better for him to ignore it. That's a skill that successful presidents all have when to ignore attacks when to know that this attack doesn't hurt me. And if it, it the only way could hurt me, as if it knocks me off what I wanna do. And what I want to say and this president doesn't have that impulse control, so on, you know days where there's record low unemployment. He's talking about it was interesting to me doing the research for talking about the White House briefing with you. Nineteen ninety eight the year. The house began impeachment. The that was in high gear wasn't a year that any White House, had the most briefings of any administration in the history of their public doesn't Clinton survived. We were just glutton for punishment. I think we developed a strategy which was is not brain surgery and was simple. It was at times very difficult to implement, but we did which was the president does not go out and publicly criticize the investigators. The president does not betray himself as a victim. The president does portray himself as doing the people's work in public. The only thing he talked about his the people's work. Now, there are a couple of times where he swept, and we paid a price for because the press was waiting in. They wanted him so badly to engage on how much he ate it star and how much he hated Louie Freeh or any of those things. But by larch he stuck. To the strategy. We've got two briefings as here. It makes no sense. It works against them. But put aside the partisan differences and what I think for what Sarah Sanders thinks the in the end. But cares what people do, I think should care about it. I think they do care about is that their government is transparent and is responsive to them. And there's nothing that shows transparency and responsiveness than the daily briefing where and you don't see this in a lot of countries where, you know, that once a day, Monday through Friday, someone's going to stand up there and say, this is what the president of Hanks, and take your best shot. Take your best shot criticize it pull it apart. And we're gonna stand here until and we're gonna stand here until the very last questions asked Jill. That's an excellent point I started in journalism in nineteen ninety eight and one of the things I got to do was watch your briefing, every day, and I was always amazed at how. Long. You went depending on the day, and the topic usually was a half hour, but there were times when you touching up against an hour. Sometimes you even a little over that if it was big day, you would answer from, like you said those people from those foreign correspondence to those people who worked for specialty publications you would answer every question. Why did you do some of this tradition, and the tradition when I took over, and I thought it made sense. The White House is, of course, it's the people's building, but it's the president and his staff workplace, there's a little oasis in there, the press briefing room and the press office staff that I've used like an embassy. It's like neutral space. It is co owned by the White House in the press and in the briefing room. I felt like this was the place where the press set the rules and the press secretary, followed them, and there was a tradition of the, the first question going to one of the wire reporters, it was generally Helen Thomas, who was the dean and the second tradition was the briefing was over. Over when Helen said, thank you. Right. And it wasn't over until hell and said, thank you. It wasn't over when things were getting tough or when you made a mistake, and you really felt like I got to get out of you didn't like the question. I didn't like the questions I wasn't feeling well or someone with water there. And I was like, parched. The briefing was over when Helen said it was over. And there were, they were times when you Helen, I had lots of non verbal conversation says I was looking at saying Helen like an did. She just smile and say, no, you're not done yet. And you'd stand there and stay every glass question was exhausted. And Helen was good. And she took the job. Seriously? If it was like ridiculous. You know when you were going off on people asking the same question over and over again, she call it she'd, call the briefing, and I would appreciate that. And there were days that she, you know, she, she instinctually knew that if we kept asking, we were going to get more and her instincts, were generally, right? And the thing that like. Kills me. I would just bugs me. When I watch Sarah Sanders is when she does deign to a briefing. She gets about ten minutes. And if it gets tough, she sort of closes the book and says, okay, I've got to go to something goodbye and walks out. They don't have the sense at all that the press is part of the process, and that the press is not just an important part of the process, but there's an obligation to include them in it. There's part of me. Thanks, I'm glad she's never walk into that room again, because she dishonors the room, she dishonors James Brady, who the rooms named after and dishonors the, the tradition that's been passed along between Republicans and Democrats men and women smart people in not so smart people. True. Towers and avails, but we've all had a sense of respect for the room and the people in it, and it is totally gone, and that's too bad. And that's mostly a desert. Service to the American public. So there's a void and you're gonna step in as a as a former White House press secretary, and you're gonna try to at least ceremonially fill that void talk about what you're gonna do. There are questions that need to be surfaced that are not being surfaced. At least the public can't see them. I'm not I'm not criticizing anyway, the White House press corps. They are pushing hard as they can every day. But we don't get to see it. I think a lot of people think. Well, what's the press doing they're not asking the questions anymore? They are we just don't get to see it's being done in the shadows of, of the White House grounds. So I think a big part of this is surfacing, the important questions, surfacing, the hypocrisy in some of the proposals and things get said, putting some historical context on things that get on. But doing in a way that highlights and if you won't answer it. I want to refer and you're not going to like my answer because my answer is going to be. The cold hard truth through the magic of social media. And in this case, Twitter, at least until they start the briefings ING and I'm gonna go on Twitter. I'm Sharon is some days, but I'm gonna try to go on and just use a little bit of seriousness. Little bit of tongue-in-cheek. Little bit of the needle to surface, the questions and highlight the void that they've created and the answers that the public will see and should see absent the White House stepping up whether they'll ever step, whether they will ever pay attention anything I'm doing who cares for the people who used to turn into C-SPAN, you know, watch the briefings everyday which was relatively small aunts. They can now tune into Twitter and that they can they can see that the questions are getting asked, they can see that this administration is not meeting the challenges of the office, and in many cases are dishonoring the office. And if the, the White House wants to step in and fill that void, I'd be glad to step away. But I think it should be done. And I don't want to pretend that somehow this isn't any fun, but it does have a purpose. I really do think that people need a place to know what their governments doing to see someone at least raising and surfacing, the questions if not answering them very seriously. There are lots of places social media's great this. I hope is one place where people think they can go. I'm easy to find. I'm at Joe Lockhart. It's not his it's not hard. And I think ultimately I'd love to take some of these questions into this form. They can Email them to us. Yeah, you can go on our Twitter. You can go on our website. You can Email Joe. The question as Joe noted most. White House press briefings begin with the president's schedule. The message of the day, and the press secretary says with that will be happy to take your questions, so. Yeah. No. And, you know, we do something at the end of the normal podcast, which is just what? It's on my mind, I'd much rather talk about what's on. You know, our listeners mind. So we'll figure out how to do that. I'm going to try most days to not only point out that there isn't a briefing, but highlight the issues that they should be addressing. And, and my own unique way, the consequences of not addressing. Absolutely joe. Thank you very much. We will include our listeners questions for the shadow White House press secretary in the shadow White House press briefing here, but that to be continued. Thanks. Thank you for listening to words matter. For more information on our show and hosts visit words matter media dot com. Please rate and review words matter on apple podcasts and other podcasts providers.
#298: [Public Sector Special Series #6] - Bringing the White House to the World
"This is episode two hundred ninety eight of the AWS podcast released on February thirteenth twenty nineteen. However, and a welcome back to the edibles podcast some unleash here with you. Great to have you back, and I'm joined by a very special guest who's going to join me to talk about some really interesting innovation in the public sector. I'm joined today by Stephanie to ski director of the digital library at the White House historical association. Welcome to the podcast. Stephanie. Thank you. It's good to be here. Thank you so much for coming along. So maybe Stephanie for a global audience. What is the what has historical association? I mean, it's it's a pretty famous house. We've all heard of the what house, but what does the historical association to? Sure WHAT. A is a private nonpartisan nonprofit. We don't receive any government funding. We work with the park service and the White House staff to support the preservation of the house and the collections within the house. Some people may already know the White House has a very extensive and very important collection of important pieces of American artwork, including paintings sculptures. And then of course, the architecture. Of the house itself is also very important to the pollution of American architecture movements in Arab American architecture. So the W H A exists primarily to support the park service and also educate the public about the history of the White House and the collections in the White House. We are not attached to any individual president or any individual administration. We focus on the entire history of the house going back to the early competition for how the house was going to look the people submitted designs and different suggestions for what the how should look like. So we have in our digital library. Some scans of some of those original plans suggestions, all the way up to recording information and taking pictures about current events things like if will state visits were ahead of state come to the White House to meet the president of the first lady and other annual events the White House hosted Easter egg roll every year on the Easter holidays. They put up a Christmas tree in with a blue. No room in the White House. And then there are other holiday observations, there's minora so we really focus on that part of the history of the house and education is one of our primary missions. It's really interesting. It's interesting reflecting. If you think about it. I guess the the what has the most iconic government structure in the world. I mean. Many many governments in my mind have very beautiful grant, quite impressive, parliament houses and government has is. But kind of ever knows what the what Hassi's, but as many traces and saw two yes. And unfortunately, not an enormous number of people get to visit the White House every year, obviously, you have to come physically to DC and in order to visit the White House you have to go through a member of congress or some other process to get on the list to visit the White House. And that was one of the reasons we were actually founded MRs Kennedy, Jackie Kennedy. Who was obviously first lady in the nineteen sixties. She was very concerned about historic preservation in general, and it was her concern about the preservation of the house and also bringing the house back to the public and back to the people. She felt very strongly that the White House really belongs to the American people rather than to any individual president or even to the government. So that was one one of the reasons we came into being was that vision of hers and the association was founded in nineteen sixty one no small part due to her. Activism and her involvement in getting it together and getting it launched while it's a long history. So you mentioned obviously that it's it can be difficult for people to physically access the White House. So how have you been working with w s to to make it more accessible to others? One of the things that the W H A initially did with MRs Kennedy was we published the White House guidebook, which is efficiently titled the White House and historic guide, which is still imprinted sin twenty fourth edition, but Stuart MacLaurin who's the current president of the association and the rest of the board members wanted to take that into the twenty first century and find a way to use digital technology to make the White House more accessible so earlier this year in June. We launched what's called the Wh experience app, which is available both for apple and Android. It's basically follows the same path you would take if you went on a public tour of the White House. And also follows a lot of the information that's in our existing print guidebook the tour up was. Produced by a company called Q Ziam, which is based out of Boston, but it utilizes Amazon recognition technology. We built this specifically for this app. Working with AWS services. It's takes a database of the presidential and first lady portrait's, and you can take a selfie and using recognition. It runs a comparison between yourself and the database of pictures and tells you which president or first lady, you most resemble, and then you can you can keep doing it until you get a result. You like. But it is more and more to choose from these days. We do. And of course, it's you know, it's intended to be fun entertaining. Because obviously in many of these cases, you're working off of portraits, which are paintings. And so the the matching may not be quite exact act as it would be with a photograph, obviously. But it was just try to a fun way to try to get people to think about okay, we'll which president or first lady, do I look like, and then as you're going through the house to her whether you're on a physical tour in the White House on looking at the app on your phone there, or there's also a version of the tour that's just a virtual tour that can be taken anywhere sort of keep your eye out. Okay. While I looked like, you know, best Truman can I spot best Truman's portrait in anywhere in any of these rooms. And when I find it then I can read more about the portrait and about her so to give people a little bit more of a personal connection. That's really interesting is that real sort of almost immersive and engaging experience. So clearly Stephanie you have a a massive IT department of developers money money to Ben totally. We actually don't have an onsite IT staff at the association, we have obviously we have a wonderful contractor who does tremendous amount of work, and we love them very dearly, but they're not actually physically on site. And so when this idea was first broach, I admit part of my was going. I don't know if this is a good idea. You know, there's this or even possible given the scope of all of this, but AWS has been really invaluable in helping us. You know, we have these ideas about things like this recognition matching facial matching these portrait's, but we would never have been able to pull that off on our own without support from a company like AWS. There's no way we would have had the money or the time to be able to build that from scratch. And of course, that's one of the benefits of a lot of the cloud technologies, regardless of who's providing them as that this lifts such you do a lot of stuff at a scale that you might not be able to do especially considering, you know, I'm at a small tiny nonprofit, that's got less than fifty employees. For sure for sure an it also. So there's also a chat bought you thought would be an interesting addition, tell us about that journey because that's a really interesting experience that you're able to create. Yes, that came up at the end of we had we sort of knew the app was on the horizon when we signed the agreement with AWS at the very end of two thousand sixteen so we've been working with them for a little over almost two years now. But the the the mobile application had been sort of tossed around and talked about before anything was signed. But the chat bot came up much more organically, the folks we've worked with in professional services at AWS were telling us about this QNA bought that had been built by their team. And that it was being made available in open source coding, which is of course, very useful for a lot of people, and we have been talking about trying to integrate that into the mobile application, and maybe using the chat bot in that technology and the QNA bought to sort of mimic the tour, and we even bummed the guys even put together some prototypes. But I said, well, I think this this seems kind of redundant. Why don't we try to do take us in a different direction than the direction of just doing the app over again, we don't need to repeat that? And so I brought in our education department. Joanna caps in Whitney Hain who are -education staffers. And we started talking about ways in which we could use coupon bought to do something that was more along the lines of educational appeal and they receive. Bonded. And they said, well, the thing that most teachers around the country will ask us about is the roles of the president plays because that's our required lesson in civics that has to be taught across the country. It's one of those things that appears in curriculum or curricula, I'm not sure which of those correct all over the country. So we started looking at the lesson plan that they had already put together, which we share with teachers the association runs a teacher institute for a couple of weeks every summer, which in which we sponsor teachers from all over the country to come to the white come to Washington to work with us to see our resources, and then also to get some of the tools that we've created to help them teach this material. So we took that rules of the president process. And then all of the information the digital library that I run has over eleven thousand pictures of the White House through various parts of its history. So we took the pictures and the information about the house tourists would have combined everything and said, okay, there's certain number of define roles. I think they're seven that the president has including things like chief diplomat head. Of the party and so on and so forth, and we talked about what is the rule mean? What does it mean to say, the president is the chief diplomat while he welcomes heads of state, and he has meetings with other heads of state and diplomats from other countries. He welcomes ambassadors and then we expelled that inside the Chapa to be okay on what part of the White House. Well, many of these events happen in the state dining room, which is specifically named because that's where most of the state dinners are held. So the Chapada vailable right now on the website at WHAT dot org. If you go under educational resources, you can find the chapel right there and open it on any web browser and you can tighter type or talk to it, and it will sort of guide you through discussing the different roles of the president. There's also quizzes to test. How much you've learned during the course of the interaction with the bought. So it's been really interesting because this is very new technology, obviously has been around for a little bit. But it was just starting to sort of trickle out into the world and into different organizations, and we're pretty sure there's nobody else in the. The education space who's used this kind of technology for this kind of purpose as yet. So we feel like we're kind of really at the cutting edge for doing this. It's really exciting. I it's interesting. I think it's a it's a great example of an organization that as you said, it was founded back in the sixties, and as has really evolved, it's engagement style as as technology has evolved. But one of the things that comes to mind is all of us. You have a lot of all the files historical records etcetera. I believe you used a snowball to to to to make those accessible as well. Yes. And I just want to stay for the record were a little disappointed. That snowball was not round in white feel like that was a opportunity sei. Yeah. I guess given that you're the that you represent the watt has historical association. Entities indata, what house pricing snuggle that doesn't look like a snowball might have been a little disappointing. There was a sort of a marketing opportunity missed with that. But. So we we have we have about eight terabytes of legacy, photos and documents and materials that have were sitting on a bunch of drives scattered around the office in different places. And obviously, that's not searchable. It's not accessible you have to go onto individual person's computer KIRO connect, the individual drive, and then you're fumbling through folders trying to find whatever it is that you're looking for none of which is useful. And where of course, many many organizations all over the world are facing the same problem. So because we had already established the digital library, which is a digital asset management system it operates as the brain of the library the front face that everybody can see us have meant has over eleven thousand files. The back end has now ingested that backlog, which is over three hundred thousand files, so we use a snowball to transfer that and get that into the photo wear system photo, whereas the digital asset management software that we use to run the library. Now, we have not written. The data for all of that. I don't wanna make it sound. Like we've done all of that already. We're not quite that good. But we are also using recognition technology to do to work on that backlog. So Toronto trying to categorize it using using the people just flipping through and having to figure it out themselves. So even if it's a first cut that Saif sometime bright because one of the things, of course, about photos, if you're looking through documents, and the documents civil are all compatible, you can run a text search you can type in some words, at least fine documents that they come up with. But you can't do that with a photo. But what you can do with recognition as you can load certain photos in as a reference images and then run a search and figure out. Okay. Well, okay. We by doing this. We figured out this particular folder has pictures of these presidents in it. So maybe we don't know. Exactly. What's there? But we can definitely say, okay. In terms of processing, this material and getting meta data written for it. We're going to put those folders up at the top of the list of the first things to do. And actually that project is part of a project called cloud enabled preservation of life in the twentieth century White House, which was just named as a finalist for the digital preservation awards for two thousand eighteen so we're really excited that that workout recognized. That's fantastic recognition that is. So what would you I guess calebs Ovation's listens length for these process by the lock to share with us? First of all, I would I would imagine. There are a lot of other smaller institutions, especially in cultural heritage, a nonprofit spaces who hear about all of these amazing technology things that are happening with the cloud and just sort of a -ssume that well that's out of our wheelhouse. We wouldn't be able to do that we wouldn't be able to afford it. And it's it's you know, that's too big for us. And they'd be thinking that it's just basically not something that successful to them. And I think that actually AWS in particular has done a really good job of making these things accessible the pricing structure, obviously has been geared to try to make. It acceptable to everybody. But also, even the technology itself is not nearly as difficult as it potentially could be using the QNA Bhatt and learning how to do SML for voice recognition that was not something any of us were familiar with, you know, a few months ago, and while I have a long background in technology, the to education specialists that we work with didn't really at both of them kept telling me, this is actually really been easy. It's not been nearly as difficult as we were afraid. It was going to be in terms of working with the Cuna bottom working with the lex service. And polly. So I would I my hope with a lot of our outreaches to get in touch with other small organizations and cultural heritage institutions in particular places that have a lot of digital or analog materials that they're trying to protect and let them know that there's actually quite a few options for cloud technology, and cloud, tools that could really be useful to you. And don't just assume that they're going to be out of your budget or out of your comprehend. Mention that you're not going to need to hire some IT specialists necessarily to work with these tools. It's great to save thing being acceptable to tomorrow, Morgan his actions, and as you said that at a cost the Maxine particularly for phenomena profits at cetera so society, if at least one evaluate cells of these digital, tools and other experiences that that the association provides had like, they're so our website is White House history dot org. It's also WHAT dot org will work if you go to the website right now, you're going to see a lot of promotion of this year's Christmas ornament, which is our bread and butter, and our our main fundraising tool, we put out the official White House Christmas ornament every year this year is honoring president Truman, and it's a really beautiful piece. That's depicts the Truman balcony on the White House which was added by president Truman during the extensive renovations. He did following the end of the second World War. Sorry, I had to plug that in there from from our website, you can find the digital library through the upper right, hand corner resources. You can also go to H h ADA org backslash library that page will. Take you to our landing page in our portal for all of the library services. Which includes information on all of our licensing and also a direct access to the collection to do searches. You can also find the chat bot through links under our projects page. Fantastic. What a what a great experience in the sitcom Sherwood of Allison's will be jumping onto that to see what Stephanie. Thank you so much taking the time to join us to that. All right. Thank you so much. It was good to talk to you lock is a Mexican on for listening. We'd love to get your feedback Ediborah's podcast at Amazon dot com is hey, find us and until next time keep on building.
Pence, task force members isolate after virus exposure; VP back at the White House Monday
"Vice President Pence now voluntarily limiting contact with others after an aide tested positive for the krona virus last week. A spokesperson clarifying. The vice president is not in quarantine and place to be at the White House Monday. He has tested negative for the virus repeatedly. Three of the nation's top scientists taking similar steps after possible exposure. It's a stark reminder. Even one of the nation's most secure buildings is not immune from the virus.
No White House Cooperation; LGBTQ Workplace Discrimination
"This message comes from on point sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of defied candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast and also be able to call their own witnesses but but when you ask the question would the White House suddenly start cooperating. She doesn't have to if she did it she would almost certainly have the votes I mean we've tabulated you know far more than two hundred eighteen that would be needed I thought there's nothing nothing no no requirement in the constitution for that there's no requirement in in the rules of the house so inquiry quote constitutionally illegitimate proceedings we're joined now by Jonathan Karl he's chief White House correspondent for ABC News John Thanks so much for the major supreme court cases about Lgbtq rights and the workplace but first let's get the latest on the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump in a letter sent the House Democrats the White House says it will refuse to comply with Congressional document testimony requests the letter written by White House counsel called the impeachment joining us today hello good to have you so first of all tell us a little bit more about this letter that was sent to House Speaker Nancy that's essentially the argument and they say because of that the White House does not have basic rights of due process that would normally be afforded during an impeachment inquiry saying well Nancy Pelosi House Speaker Pelosi says she's not planning a vote to proceed with a formal vote on an impeachment inquiry and says she doesn't have is it this is not a legitimate inquiry because the Democrats have not formally held a vote to move forward with an impeachment inquiry a two is that right well she's not ruling it out but the constitution speaks of impeachment the Constitution what they had been doing and now they are making it official in a letter to the speaker it means they will not cooperate whatsoever with the impeachment inquiry that means House official told me look we didn't know what he said because we weren't allowed to be in the room they believe that in a formal impeachment inquiry they would be able to have their lawyers present it to move forward with an impeachment inquiry so it kind of raises the question why why not just do it and then take away the the White House's ability to officials from the State Department who had been heading to the to the committee to to you know to give depositions and the and the plug was Pelosi and Ki Ki House Democrats here from from the White House what is the White House counsel saying basically stonewall everything and this is they turn over the documents with the agreed to have the officials testimony if Nancy Pelosi held a vote no direct answer from the White House counsel as the House the power to impeach the constitution says absolutely nothing about whether or not there has to vote to move forward with an inquiry before an appeal go up there are no documents I'd applies not just to the White House staff but but across the executive branch so there you know we've already seen the witnesses that the Democrats would like to call before the Committee for depositions or for testimony they will refuse permission old so this is absolute one hundred percent operation stonewall here's what's interesting about it is the the argument that they did the White House has given for instance when they had with the testimony of of of Ambassador Volker last week the White House to try to cast aspersions on this process by saying there hasn't been a vote and my sense is the reason why she does not WanNa do this is it would almost certainly be a party nine votes I mean there may be I identify a couple a handful of Republicans who could potentially vote yes but it might be a straight party line trying to undo the results of the last election but influence the next election here's tells more about that it's clearly a overturned the results of the two thousand sixteen election deprive the American people the president they have freely chosen and then it goes on to say that the White House believes Democrats are not only in voting. I guess they don't want the optics of that right well a one more thing about this this letter that was written by White House counsel here because it has both a legalistic time little document and it's a political document in terms of making the case to the public and rallying the president's supporters in that sense it goes lockstep with what we've seen from the president's campaign is reelection campaign which is already running ads on impeachment and own I mean it's a six page letter but also very strongly political tone it it it it's written here that the White House says quote put simply you seek to Elson I'm told the president has been very frustrated with what he sees as insufficient support on his team he doesn't he doesn't only a political document I would also say it's also a document aimed at the man in the Oval Office because there's been there's been a lot of frustration in the White House being more about the impeachment inquiry this morning but let's listen to what Democrat and House Intelligence Committee chairman at Adam Schiff said yesterday then the failure to produce this witness the failure to produce these documents we consider yet addition if of California here is how Republican Jim Jordan of Ohio responded to that look we actually looking forward to hearing from Ambassador Solid we specifically Gordon Sandra in the US Ambassador to the European Union he was supposed to be interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee and here's what Chairman Adam Schiff said when that didn't happen or fighting on your behalf it's it's it's absolutely every bit as much maybe more so a political document than a legal documents to that point John the president tweets L. strong evidence of obstruction of the constitutional functions of Congress a CO equal branch of government that's Democrat Adam who says you said has a complete operation stonewall going on here well it's going to be a challenge the the House has in the past regarding the administration's decision to block a witness from testifying or or someone that Congress had a desire to hear their testimony packers last week alone just just facebook ads so seven hundred thousand plus dollars worth of ads the campaign purchase so so it's close that's Jim Jordan of Ohio Jonathan Karl what can House Democrats do to get folks to appear before them if the White House who is so bias against this president that he wouldn't even tell us that he had met with his staff and met with the whistle blower prior to the whistle blower filing the complaint he was going to reinforce exactly what ambassador Volker told us last week but again unfortunately when you have a speaker of the House that says we need to strike while the irons hot when you have any chairman of the committee the Justice there's already enough evidence in the public domain they believed to move forward with impeachment so at some point you know there may be a appointment meantime John Thank you so much thank you all right well let's turn now to a group of historic cases heard this week at the Supreme Court at issue the question of whether the executive branch you will see a more long drawn out process now Democrats several Democrats Adam Schiff himself federal law barring sex discrimination in the workplace should apply to LGBTQ employees title seven of the Nineteen Sixty four civil rights act prohibits discreet legislative branch They're they're they're not they don't have executive power but they do have power do things like doc salaries there's even a the Democrats say that we want to continue to fight over this or do we simply wanNA use right up an additional article of impeachment on Obstruction of justice oh you she she wants to move in an expeditious manner but she hasn't put a set timeline on this there's been talk of trying to get this done by the end of the year we'll be to go to court to try to enforce these subpoenas it'll be a legal battle it'll be a legal battle that will take time and you know the speaker says that we WanNa know what you think do you think civil rights protection should extend to the Lgbtq community is this the job of the Supreme Court or are you concerned it's legislating who are gay lesbian transgender are looking to federal law to to protect them if they are discriminated against based on their LGBT from the bench during anytime online twitter and facebook at on point radio we'll joining us from Washington amy how she is founder and now reporter for Scotus blog and and certainly in this case move forward with subpoenas go to court to try to enforce those subpoenas there are you know they it's it's obviously queue status so it could have a transformative effect then across the country here and we're we're talking about cases that deal specifically you in over half the states in this country there are no protections for LGBTQ employees there and so employees have you we've just got a minute half before have to take the first break here so why don't you just give me your big picture take on the significance of this trio of cases that have to do the nation quote because of sex or on the basis of sex but does that extend to sexual orientation or gender identity that is the question before the court so with people who say they claim they have been fired on the basis of their sexual orientation and then a case also regarding a an employee who says she was fired after she reporter of Scotus blog about the three big cases heard this week in oral argument at the Supreme Court about whether or not federal civil rights protections ought to extend to LGBT a Q.. Rights since the retirement of Justice Anthony Kennedy whom was the swing vote in many of the courts key cases and also because a citing the lack of cooperation the defiance of of Congress and move forward with the vote we'll Jonathan Karl chief White House correspondent for ABC News speaking to us from wash q people in the workplace will be right back this is on point this message comes from on point sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast terms conditions and quality standards apply an incident Nashville that shocked the Latino community then zero in on qualified candidates and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free you don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes set up screener questions think that the the the the fight back against this has been strong and so this is in part to White House counsel telling the boss you know we're we're we're with LGBTQ rights in the workplace how significant are they it's incredibly significant because it is the first time that the Supreme Court has taken of lgbt more liberal justices we would have expected I think to be inclined to say that federal laws do protect LGBTQ employees eight to LGBTQ employees. She's you know Pam Carlin the lawyer who argued for the the plaintiffs in the case involving sexual orientation Aga a dedicated and detailed and top notch new source for all things Supreme Court amy how welcome point hello thanks for inviting me Erica to show you the fascinating strange compelling stories of the region subscribe and listen every Tuesday this is on point I'm Meghna Chakrabarti extend to LGBTQ people in the American workplace I'm joined today by amy how she is founder and reporter for Scotus blog she served as counsel in over two dozen even even for finishing up the the inquiry by Thanksgiving but she hasn't put any of those deadlines place in the bottom line is now you have operation stone there's there's even a place on a holding place at the speaker can use to to to hope somebody who is who is violating the rules but I my my my says the next step she's transgender and she was fired after she said she was going to be coming to work as a woman is that right that's right she was the male sex at birth and then she announced she was gonna come to work dressed as a woman you were talking this hour about a trio of potentially historic cases that were heard at the Supreme Court this week about whether federal civil rights protections and so the Supreme Court in the past several years has really sort of gravitated towards a position where they're not married someone named bill but at the same time with congratulate a female employee who married someone named Bill and give the female employees the day off is discriminating based on sex undergo gender reassignment surgery and she was fired from her job as a funeral director okay well we'll explore the details of all those cases a little more when we come back we're talking with amy how she's found it's cases at the Supreme Court and argued two cases there as well so she has experienced on what it's like to stand before that Bank of justices and take questions for them in rural sports teams and then as you mentioned introducing the segment whether or not that this was something that should be the Supreme Court job whether or not this is something that Congress eighty a computer designed to control the entire Chilean economy a Martian invasion Ecuador Plan Belinda is back with a brand new season. NPR SPANISH-LANGUAGE PODCAST. We'll take you around so amy tell me what did we see today I'm sorry this week at oral argument what were the justices asking about these the implications what they perceive the implications of a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs might be in this case there was a lot of discussion about the Civil Rights Act even if it wasn't necessarily what Congress had in mind when it passed the Civil Rights Act back in nineteen sixty four can be read to apply the three conservative justices who asked a lot of questions he clearly seemed to be the one who was was perhaps the most likely vote for the plaintiffs he had pass a federal law that protects q employees and hasn't done so well let me ask you there's been some there's been particular attention paid to Justice Gore such right find her colleagues of that like this is what the text says and that's all we need to know but the courts more conservative justices seemed to be looking down the road it certainly seemed like they were headed that way Justice Elena Kagan was really one of the strongest advocates for saying that the text of a pretty simple example that I think helps to illustrate it said the from from Kagins perspective she said that an employer who would fire a male employees eighth seems to be the the of the courts five more conservative justices who who ask questions Justice Clarence Thomas Frequently does not ask questions and he did not ask and the role he might play in the ruling on these cases what did he say or what what sort of insight did you gather from the questions that he asked an oral argument so he definitely Congress had in mind and so he had some questions for the lawyers representing the employers and for the Solicitor General No Francisco representing the federal government any questions at the oral argument on Tuesday just as Bret cavenaugh the court's newest justice only had one question so it was hard to tell where he was where he was going but of the questions about the text and he he does talk a lot about the significance of looking at the text of the law or the text of the constitution rather than on the other hand he had questions like some of the other more conservative justices about the implications of a ruling for the plaintiffs he the the tree of of cases and did give any sort of insight into how they're thinking about this a lot of insight into how they're thinking up the courts for this Parker Douglass wrote a brief on behalf of Christian employers alliance arguing that employers should be able to practice their faith as business owners the Christian Employers Alliance Justice Alito here so Amy How standby for just a moment 'cause I want to bring in a couple of other people into this conversation joining us from Grand Rapids Michigan is Parker Douglass sex you know you can't you can't say that sex and sexual orientation or completely different characteristics and therefore the title seven doesn't apply that said you know it it clearly seems like at least part of what's going on here when you discriminate based on sexual orientation or based on gender identity is what are all in favor of the plaintiffs might be for policies about single-sex work workplace bathrooms about dress codes about single sex given what he called the mass massive social upheaval that would result if the Supreme Court ruled that title seven of the Civil Rights Act does protect L. Director of the Human Rights Campaign an organization that advocates for LGBTQ rights and Equality Robin Merrill. Welcome to you thank you so much thanks for having me interested in the history of a statute with someone might have said in committee or on the House floor they really say what matters is what's on the page and Kagan seemed to be trying to remain business and to and to order their their their businesses in that way example here would be the the hairs funeral home who serves LGBTQ employees right into that question of whether the court should step in I'm seeing here that Justice Alito said that if they do they quote might as well just be a legislature and that's that's should be doing instead and whether I should is something that the congress that Congress should be doing the Supreme Court should be stepping in when Congress has had an opportunity to but I think to to get right to your question the question is is amy put it how broad is title seven today and so Parker Douglas Let me start with you here what is the Christian Employers Alliance position on these cases I presume they do not think the Attorney General Parker Douglass Welcome to point hello happy to be your it's good to have you also with us is Robin Merrill joining us from Washington Rub and his associates notice also allow them to you know govern themselves in in the business in their business activities well Congress and the courts have have repeatedly said that blanket discriminations for played it exemptions for for profit organizations a membership group of business owners committed to fostering quote Christ centered workplaces and Parker Douglass was also the former general counsel to the US The position that these business owners take is that it allows for people of faith to express and live their faith through there be merrily a a Christian clientele they have a particular dress code that they expect their their employees meet and they don't that title seven of the Civil Rights Act should apply to LGBTQ employees and if so why is that well I have to be very careful because I'm not here to speak two hundred title seven that that that that would have been a pretty easy position to take and one that you know given due process concerns about emanate against employees like Amy Stevens and the legislative and social record just riddled with that discussion and I think that it's discriminatory to insist that those who were born male or born female to adhere to their dress code previously address differently shell of the dress code so I mean for me the I think the real question is you know does titles the phrase that he used he particularly when Congress has enacted he asked some of the lawyers is is is this the right time to for the Supreme Court to step in Nation Act I think what's really critical here is that religiously affiliated organizations and businesses that are covered under title seven currently on behalf of the Christian Business Alliance I did write a brief for them and I can talk about their position but I'm not there spokesperson today so I just want to put that up the Harris funeral home as director of that funeral home in Detroit when she told her employers that she would be coming to work as from nineteen seventy-two and I think that it's it's critical to note that Congress really did explore in nine hundred sixty four nine thousand seven have access to religious exemptions that have worked well and that continued to be an operation that had been in operation since nineteen sixty four and since the the way that they want to serve their clientele who who expect people who have been born of one gender or one sexual or another from NPR and WBZ Boston Meghna Truck Roberti and this is on point we're GONNA talk about a couple of significant national stories today we'll spend most of the hour exploring in on the Harris funeral homes versus EEOC case and as we mentioned that's the one in which a transgender woman Amy Stevens claims that she was fired from her job at I and she had previously presented at work as a man so tell us a little bit more Mr Douglas about the this dress code justification that was there was a lot of back and forth when the the employer was was was was notified of of her her decision to to offered to the Supreme Court what's the argument there well the argument would be that that the the dress code is in accordance with their beliefs and the just don't have a place in the Civil Rights Act Parker Douglass sue just just to be clear for folks who were right now we're sort of zero Kevin allow employers to insist on dress codes there were cases cited by both parties one was a involved rob in Maryland. I just wanted to give you a chance to first of all to respond to what Mr Douglas's said yes so I think what's first important is that Congress mandated abroad ready to the applicability of having plunkett religious exemptions which would allow business for profit businesses like hairs funeral home to see to dress at work I know that Miss Stevens you know was a a an employee of hair funeral homes for quite some time that classification base application of the ban on sex discrimination within this act of nineteen ninety one and within the pregnancy discussion business communities point of view at least Christian businesses who want to be able to make these discernment S- Casino in Las Vegas that requires males and females to dress differently and that was perfectly fine in accord with title seven you know I think from the from the I've seen me that's right and that is actually a separate question in the Harris funeral homes case that isn't specifically presented in both those instances the courts found that employers could impose dress code on their employees as long as they were equitably economic since they lost a lot of business there are businesses who who are willing to let the market sorted out does ocean to a woman because who was up for partner in an accounting firm because she didn't comply with sort of how the the accounting firm court found that in in creating title seven that quote Congress intended to strike at the entire spectrum of disparate treatment of men and women resulting from sex stereotypes eh all employees were required to to follow the dress code and there was an onerous or discriminatory element to it but I believe a woman should act and appear she didn't wear enough makeup her haircut was wasn't feminine enough she was too aggressive and so the in this case and the Supreme Court may well take up the issue again soon there's another case called Orleans flowers and that Nate against an hopkins the plaintiff in Pricewaterhouse for being insufficiently feminine he said Harris Funeral Homes can't discriminate argument that that was made by David Cole representing Amy Stevens is it this case essentially as just like pricewaterhouse if you if press water has Kansas tissue again soon but it hasn't it hasn't agreed to do so yet no regarding this case about Amy Stevens the transgender woman and Harris funeral homes in court effectively sort of sent the case back based on how the Colorado Civil Rights Commission had treated Jack Phillips the cake shop owner in the court take particular exception The base of the decision was really on how the Colorado Commission against discrimination behaved against the I do wonder I mean I think isn't the case here that people might be referring to or looking at that price waterhouse versus Hopkins Case From Nineteen Eighty nine where The the the the Mr Douglas mentioned a couple of other cases that were referenced. During or oral argument I'm presuming there the Harrah's casino case really famous one of those decided in the ninth circuit in two thousand six possibly even the one from the New Jersey Superior Court the Borgata casino case and in but in both those involves very similar issue a florist who refused to make do flowers for a same sex wedding so this could actually take up the merits of that of that the the the key the shop owner versus the fundamental question of whether or not they had the right to pick and choose to clients that's right this against Amy Stevens for being insufficiently masculine so that's how the the supporters of the the plaintiffs in the in the in the gender identity cases have the case of the cases about sexual orientation and so the question in that case the Supreme Court found that pricewaterhouse couldn't deny it hey case might come up but if I remember correctly an amy actually let me turn back to you here's our as our legal expert in fact checker here on masterpiece cakes title seven allow them to do so or not that's the question before the Supreme Court well yeah it's just forgive me for interrupting but because I was wondering if the masterpiece piece one of the sort of questions and answers yesterday that I thought was very very interesting was ages was discussing that an interpretation that the other side is named the issue as far as pricewaterhouse's concerned rubbing Merrill let me turn back to you hear your thoughts on that Yes so I think that one of the sort of pushing is that in Hopkins could be protected because she was not conforming to gender types but amy Stevens couldn't simply because she's transgender That she was somehow alienated from the sex stereotyping protections and that is just in correct and I would also just like to add that you know Amy Stevens is ready to wear the dress code Amy Stevens is a professional she's been working at Harris funeral home she worked at Harris Funeral home for successfully and in her letter she didn't say I'm GONNA show up to work in a T. shirt and jeans she said I'm going to show up as a professional woman were to conform to the dress code that her employer had presented and the the employer actually did not give her a chance Parker Douglass would you like to respond to that the funeral home I'm ready to wear a skirt I'm ready to conform to the gender stereotypes that you have in your code and she didn't challenge the dress coat she was ready that you know the question is whether or not the dress code applies to males and females equally and presumably someone who was born cut I don't want to respond to the the actual Gatien's I would like to respond to the gist of the the question what Amy address earlier and that's female and male would have been with treated betrayed the exact same way by the dress code they would they would ask to addressed in a manner that is in accord with the sex they were assigned at birth so the question under title seven is are they treating the people because of their sex differently it really depends on whether or not you you think that sex is something that is is cases heard before the US Supreme Court this week about whether civil rights protections in the workplace should be extended to LGBTQ Americans we'll be right back gender or or assigned at birth in the second case they wouldn't be treated differently well we are talking about this trio of potentially historic doc on this season of rough translation from NPR. Yeah we are following people who break the rules this is on point episodes every other Wednesday subscribed this is on point Meghna Chakrabarti we're talking about a trio of cases heard before the United States Supreme Court lying is part of the business like my opinion the best revenge against Isis is to be humane am I supposed to pinch yeah hey by amy how she's founder and reporter of Scotus blog Parker Douglass joins us as well he's former general counsel to the Utah Attorney General and wrote a brief on behalf of the Christian employers alliance arguing that employers should be able to practice their faith as business owners and Robin Merrill joins us as well she this week that asked whether or not civil rights protections federal civil rights protections in the workplace should be extended to Lgbtq Americans. I'm joined today when you're on the air hi my point is well comment is from where it looks to me and you know I'm a unity and so when they when I try to figure out why anybody could disagree with that I left wondering if the people generally conservative associate director at the Human Rights Campaign Organization that advocates for Lgbtq Rights and equality and let's go to the phones here's go to Darren who's calling from Des Moines Iowa Na less screwed up society and when I look at this I cannot see any reason why these protections would not be extended to the LGBT the six gender male and married to a person not of my own gender for Twenty eight years so when I look at this from the point of view of somebody who just wants to live who are against this feel that way because they regard LGBTQ status as a choice well I think it's been pretty obvious and proven that it's not a choice anymore than skin color or any other thing that is already a protected status and so to me it seems obvious that these protections should be extended well Darren thank you so much for your call let's go to Elizabeth calling from Rutland Vermont Elizabeth you're on the Air Yeah Hi I am a conservative Christian and I voted for trump so I'm pretty conservative however you don't get the fireplace what would you say or would you have a question for for for example Mr Douglas here who who wrote a brief on behalf of the Christian employers allies say that they should be able to practice their faith folks because they wanna live differently than you think is right swamp Elizabeth then how what would you what do you bob and now wants to dress differently within the rule that the job is lay down that's very different than saying on the Christian and I I I don't want to respond directly to the question because I'm not sure what the questionnaires but the the issue would be whether title seven requires employers they see fit in the process of doing their business. Okay that's one thing but what you're talking about is someone that had a job and I assume ing with competent energy the the the Harris funeral homes case there just to remind folks are two other cases that the court is considering one is Altitude Express Inc I Zardo and the others bostock versus Clayton County now in an interview with NBC News Briancon Sutherland laid out one of the questions that WanNa make cake for same sex couples because it's morally against what my Bible says that's very different Elizabeth thank you for your call Parker Douglass would you like to respond to her only because they ask them to address according to the sex that they were assigned at birth that's what the the courts to decide and it's you know it's whether or not sex bore that meaning at the time and it bears that meeting now and I assume that's why the justice according to talk about well we've been talking a lot about answer whether gender or sexual orientation are different under the law protecting against discrimination and you can't think about a person's sexual Orient- i to to to to do one thing or another and that's that's at the heart of the case so Christian business owners took the position that that they could believe that the sex entitled seven meant that the sex assigned at birth and that they weren't treating someone different the court is considering and he represented general boss Doc who claims that he was fired when his employer found out that he's gay and Sutherland says the court will have to we heard amy how say earlier that some of the justices were really questioning about whether or not on the basis of sex is the same thing or should include sexual or in tation without thinking about his sex right a person a gay man is only a gay man if he's a man attracted to other men so robin let me turn to you on this because I I do want oil rig worker who experienced same sex sexual harassment and I think that one of the
White House investigation reveals effort to justify Trumps Ukraine aid decision
"It's been quite a wild few weeks in Washington and news broke Tuesday that the House Judiciary Committee scheduled its first impeachment hearing for next week on December number fourth but for now public impeachment inquiry hearings in front of the House. Intelligence Committee are over. which gives us a chance to take a look at some other impeachment ingredients? That's emerged over the past few days specifically a story. The Washington Post reported Sunday since the impeachment inquiry launched in Congress Chris the White House counsel's office conducted. Its own review of president. Trump's decision this summer to place Ukraine military aid on hold that White House review found found hundreds of documents showing extensive effort to justify the decision to hold up the money. The documents also show debate between trump's acting chief of staff Mick Mick Mulvaney and other government departments over whether delaying the military aid was even legal. Now the White House counsel's office conducted this review and the Washington Post host managed to report out some of its contents. But will all of the uncovered information ever leave the walls of the White House. What specifics do we know about the reviews findings? And how does it affect the case for impeachment. This is can he do that. PODCAST that explores the powers and limitations of the American presidency. And what what happens when branches of government collide. I'm Alison michaels before the end of this episode. And before you head off to celebrate thanksgiving. He's giving we'll touch on some subpoena news out of the courts and what happens when the angry moves to the House Judiciary Committee next week but I I talked to national investigative reporter Caroline who reported on the White House Counsel Investigation Sunday. Along with our colleagues Josh dossier and Tom Hamburger. I started by asking Carol if it was unusual. The White House counsel's Office to pursue an internal investigation into the crane decision to begin with in a way a White House counsel launching into a to Indepth research about their own. Internal records is job number one of a good lawyer. Your client is the White House. Your client line is also a little bit the president of the United States. And what you're trying to do is get your hands around the facts. What has happened? What are the records show? What's the time line? Are there bad things. We're GONNA learn these records. Are there good things that we're going to learn that are exculpatory and provide the White House with a good defense for why the aide was blocked and why. The president pushed the president of Ukraine to investigate a democratic rival. So it's job one when the lawyer so it's not like the White House counsel was compelled to conduct its own investigation by any outside body. They were doing it for their own research purposes absolutely also doing it in a protective protective crouch ellison one of Oh my gosh. There's a house impeachment inquiry. Let's get to the bottom of this now. And apparently what they found was not all sunshine. Dinan Roses I wanNA talk about the details of that but I. What kind of documents was the White House counsel looking into largely emails? Were there other materials as well. So of course emails are are going to be the easiest thing for the White House to dig into and to research. The White House. Counsel's office has immediate access to all of those and that correspondence provides you you know the outsider with what was going on in real time people communicate. What was the reason were holding this aid? Who is asking for us to hold this? What are we doing? And why and those are important facts but the other records are going to be memorandum's to file right or a submission about the military aid or letters offers. You know that Congress sent to the White House and white and the White House responded to Congress remember their lawmakers asking. What's up with this aid? Why are we not providing it to Ukraine as we authorized in February as well? This review has included interviews with White House. Staff that are key fact witnesses. It misses that made decisions in the wake of the July twenty fifth call and before it having to do with the hold on the aid so documents emails interviews reviews. What did the White House counsel's office find? What are the basics of what we know at this point? I wish we knew everything that they found. But what we do know so far is that they uncovered potentially politically damaging correspondence between the chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and the office of the the White House budget office. What's called the office of Management and budget? These two entities were discussing after the president's decision to block the aid and his orders. They were discussing. What's the rationale? What is the answer? We're going to give the public about why this hold has happened and and there were disputes back and forth about whether or not it complied with the law to hold this aid when the president or anybody in the White House blocks locks aid. That's congressionally authorized. There has to be a review policy review to determine if there's some reason to hold it back and here we're seeing that after the fact they're trying to come up with the answers to those key questions so you save potentially politically damning. Are you suggesting that what was found by the White House is not necessarily legally really damning for the president correct. I don't know enough and migrate colleagues at the Post Josh dossier and Tom Hamburger. We do not know enough about what those records Kurds explicitly state to say that it is legally a problem. We know that the White House lawyers office the White House counsel that we know from our sources is that. There's been some consternation in that office about how this looks to be coming up with a story after the fact about the rationale and to see all the disputes about the law as far as disputes about the law people at the Office of Management and budget were saying that it was legal to withhold the aid but then others at the National Security Council the State Department were suggesting that perhaps it was and it was problematic but ultimately ownby lawyers were able to defend the hold on the grounds that it was temporary and my understanding that correctly you are absolutely and in fact there is testimony that helps buttress our understanding of. What's happened Mark Sandy at career Owen be staffer in the budget office? He testified behind closed doors so far that he asked the lawyers at the O.. M. B. Shop is this okay. Okay for us to do this to withhold this aid and he was told as long as it's temporary. It's okay now. There are people that dispute that experts and people people who used to work in that budget office who have opined that. That's not cool. That's not copacetic. But we need to see more of the details of that and and the records themselves to make a good assessment so the search for a legal defense to withhold aid may be an unusual move by O. M. B.. Yes it may be. I would say that one of the most unusual elements of this mark. ZANDI brought to four. which was that very very senior? Political people bull were coming down into his shop wanting to understand this aid package. And he said he'd never seen anything like that senior political putting their fingers in the muck so to speak you know but only about this Ukraine aid not about other things and that was surprising to him. So do these emails. Reflect attention. And then between some of these groups like the White House counsel's office and Mulvaney for example tension between the White House counsel's office and Mick Mulvaney and his office predates this review however the tension as described to me by various sources is twofold. One Pat Hadzip alone. The White House counsel is very uncomfortable with some of the decisions that Mick Mulvaney has made in the course of this saga involving Ukraine. I'm told that the White House counsel's office was apoplectic. After Mick Mulvaney went to the White House briefing room lectern and started to explain that there had I've been indeed a quid pro quo. After the president. His lawyers in everyone else said there was no such thing. Mulvaney later said his televised comments were misinterpreted. But they're they're on television for people to see now with these emails. What we are hearing from our sources is that the White House counsel's office is learning about something that looks a little shady at least to the naked eye and has some concern learn about the records that they are pulling their review to be clear? We don't know whether or not the White House counsels concern is about other records is there may be other mulvaney related records that worry them but these are among the ones. We've learned the most about among the things you do know about. How does the new information about movies emails with the Budget Office lineup with the timeline that we already knew about when Edwards with help? Oh so fascinating. I'm glad you asked that question. So there are many moments in which the emails linkup with key events in this timeline. I we know that in mid-july the president orders the block on the aid. We know that on July twenty fifth. The president has his famous phone. Call with Vladimir Zilenski Linski the newly elected president and in that call. He's saying you know we've been very good to you. We've really protected you guys and by the way we have a favor I need to ask of you. The emails are in early August in them. Mulvaney and Budget Director Director Russ vote are talking about. What's our rationale? What's the legal reasoning? So they're having this sort of stressful conversation after the fact and what's interesting is that it is just after the White House counsel's office the White House generally have been put on not about something important and the thing they've been put on notice about is that the CIA has contacted the White House to say we have an anonymous employees at the CIA who's lodged a complaint about the July twenty fifth call. And I just WanNa let you know about that. This anonymous complaint eventually grows and blossoms and becomes uh-huh the whistleblower complaint that goes to Congress but at least in this timeframe when Mulvaney and vote are discussing. What's our reasoning? It's very soon after the White House. Is I put on alert that other people have concerns about the president's interactions with Ukraine. And what has to be said about about how this data explained these emails. Or what their response to this. The OB says these are entirely appropriate bureaucratic exchanges trying to dot. Their is cross their t's and make a record of how they made their decision. What's the law? What's our policy review? Let's all make make sure that we've done the the proper due diligence to confirm. We did this properly. That's it is. The white has required to turn its findings of its internal review over to the public in any way absolutely not they have no duty to and based on what we've seen from the White House counsel shop. I would bet everything thing my house that they're not gonNA turn this over. I did think it was interesting that we learned from sources and reported in this story that the white what else council shop has been especially focused in their review on documents that sort of cross the transom and those are ones in which the White House officials are talking talking to people outside the White House and other federal agencies the State Department the Defense Department arguably you could say the budget office's actually a separate agency from the executive office of the president so those emails are subject to public records long and that means that at some point they could become public both by subpoena from some house or a federal lawsuit of Republic records there are already dozens of federal records requests for some of these precise email. Exchanges so the internal deliberations that don't sort of go into these other agencies would be something that might be protected by executive privilege and therefore they wouldn't you have to turn it over to Congress. Yes I mean that'll be fought over till the cows come home about whether the White House has to turn any of this over. I would just remind for historical perspective perspective that in the impeachment inquiry of President Nixon for a long time the argument was made that the tape recording devices inside the White House were obviously executive privilege according to the White House but the Supreme Court ruled that they had to turn them over and Richard. Nixon resigned days after that Supreme Court decision throughout this impeachment process. We've seen a general reluctance from the White House to comply with Congress. Is this another example of that. Yes and no let me give them the benefit the doubt because every good lawyer is going to try to get to the bottom of the facts search the records interview the witnesses find out what's going on both to protect their client but but also to really find out the truth and very similar thing happened in the Muller investigation when Congress was also at the same time investigating Russian interference and and possible collusion with the trump campaign. During that time all those lawyers were gathering looking through the records lawyers for the president lawyers for the President's campaign lawyers for the president's family and they were trying to get to the bottom of what happened when they looked at those records. What did they find trump tower meeting with donald trump junior our email exchanges between an ally of the president and a Russian representative of the Kremlin? So you want to know the facts. And it's clear on the record that the White House counsel has said we're not cooperating with this probe but at least they want to figure out what happened. So that clarity around not wanting to cooperate with this probe has culminated at least this week in relevant piece of news from the past few days. About whether or not ex White House counsel Don mcgann would have to testify in front of Congress so on on Monday a federal judge ruled that mcgann does in fact have to comply with the house subpoena. What implications does that court decision half for the rest of the impeachment inquiry it depends depends but it portends bad things for the White House because what Judge Brown said in her decision was essentially that there's already been the Supreme Court Holdings that a senior adviser to the president has a duty to comply with a congressional subpoena when they have information that Dave view is protected by executive privilege? They can cite that. They can refuse to answer a question on advice of counsel. But they have to the go-to interview you know they have to comply with the subpoena and it doesn't mean that all of these people are going to start flocking into the impeachment hearings and start art testifying. That's like a dream of Democrats. I suppose this will be fought all the way to the Supreme Court. But it's just the beginning of telling you look this is what the law so is. This is what good judges and good lawyers think and I would guess that other judges will find the same. So this doesn't mean we're going to hear from Don mcgann in Congress imminently. That's absolutely right. Allison Don mcgann isn't gonNA show up in any hearing anytime soon. He's already filed his motion to appeal this decision. This is going to go to the supremes of you last. Ask pieces of news. I want to touch on as we head into. The break is is about what to expect next week. So Intelligence Committee chairman. Adam Schiff said on Monday that house investigators plan to send and a report to the Judiciary Committee early next week. Right after this Thanksgiving break and then on Tuesday the House Judiciary Committee scheduled. Its first impeachment hearing officially really for December fourth. What all of this mean for the next steps here? If you think about this just like a federal court case I covered federal courts for a long time time and that sort of the analogy that I applied to this all of the evidence that this grand jury. The House Intelligence Committee has gathered is now going to be eh formed in two articles of impeachment charges. If you will accusations of a crime and the House judiciary will now make some decisions. Is there enough evidence evidence to bring those charges essentially the US attorney in this case and then the next step will be the Senate the Senate the saucer that cools the cup in in historical terms will be the body that handles the trial. It will sort through whether or not the evidence is strong enough to actually convict art all right before we get to that report we have Thanksgiving break ahead of us if people wanNA completely tune out from the news of impeachment or politics what is a good book or movie viewer. TV recommendation. That you would rather way so I feel really badly about this because I have this book club. It's run by Elizabeth Shreve and she's amazing she does book publicity the in DC and she and the group makes such amazing choices and literally every single time we meet for Book Club. I have to bag out and say a admit that I have only read one third to one tenth of the book. You are all of us exactly but the one that's on my bed. Stand right now from the group that I wanNA finish because because I started it and it's fantastic called normal people so that's my tossed everybody. It's a Sally Rooney. Yes all right. Well you heard it here first. Carol thank you so much for joining me. 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The View from the White House
"Pennsylvania it's great to be back in this state that gave us the Liberty Bell Pennsylvania. Still Hershey chocolate. I like her. She's from from. NBC News Article Two inside impeachment. I'm Steve Kornacki. Today is Wednesday December eleventh. And here's what's happening. The impeachment hoaxes about overturning. Overturning your great two thousand sixteen or the alternative trying to win the two thousand twenty election. That's not gonNA happen happen. President trump is facing two articles of impeachment abusive power and obstruction of Congress. Do Flimsy pathetic ridiculous articles of impeachment last night just hours. After those charges were announced he took to the stage in Pennsylvania to rally his supporters. The congressional congressional Democrats are pushing the impeachment which having to do with Ukraine. This is the lightest weakest impeachment. Your countries had actually many impeach. You call judges and lots of many pitches but it was on today. Everybody's a fizzes impeachment late today. An article too we are asking what is the White House's strategy unimpeachable and when it comes to the president is his defense working Shannon petty pieces of senior White House this reporter for NBC News Shannon. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me so we have been talking for weeks now really months now about the impeachment of Donald Trump. Let's look closer at trump trump himself. His White House how he is handling all of this. He was in Hershey Pennsylvania last night chocolate capital of the world but I think when it comes to politics obviously Pennsylvania critical state in two thousand twenty one. That trump narrowly won in two thousand. Sixteen it's one. He's going to need to win again if he's GonNa get re-elected so on the same day that Democrats credits are formalizing these articles of impeachment against him trump is talking to a rally in Pennsylvania. What's he saying to them? He gave a pretty full throated. Defense of himself ALF. As well as ripping everyone involved in this process he at these rallies kind of goes through an area stark enemies list from Adam shifts like like shifty shifty. Here's a corrupt politician to Nancy. Pelosi is totally lost control to the whistle blower the whistle so blower defrauded our country because he throws one enemy after another at the audience and it is a bit of red the meat to the base but of course it's also a way for him to sort of get some things off his chest and you went on for about five minutes at this rally last night and I think that's maybe a little bit more. Then we get from him focused on peach men and it was really the only time we heard from the president yesterday and so he certainly did take that moment to give his full throated rebuttal rebuttal to what the Democrats had laid out you know. I wonder if there's a strategy behind holding a rally like this on a night like last night. Is there a strategic. TJ element here where trump in the White House WanNa put him in an arena of ten thousand members of the Republican base. Who are just cheering along shouting along? Long enjoying everything he saying about this sort of delivering a message to Republican elected officials. Have Hey remember the base is behind me. You don't WanNa Cross them exactly well in the early days of this impeachment inquiry when I talked to his advisers. What are you thinking? Are you nervous. Could this be end. They said well watch what happens to Republican Republican support. Even as numbers came out showing about half of Americans were supportive of this impeachment inquiry once they saw that Republicans support holding up. They said Ed does okay. I think we're GONNA be all right. There's not going to be a mutiny in Congress in the Senate because those Republicans will see if they want to avoid a primary. They're going to have to stick sick behind this president and I think he's continuing to do that in these rallies like you said are great example to reaffirm that he can fill a twenty thousand person stadiums in major cities including major democratic cities like Minneapolis for example where he was about a month or two ago. So that's definitely a side benefit of these things. It's interesting resting to to watch trump right now handling all of this because we have a president who was in his shoes in the same shoes basically at this exact time twenty one years ago. It was this same week. In December nineteen ninety eight at the House of Representatives was poised to impeach. Bill Clinton Clinton had a different way of handling it in public talk a little bit about comparisons between what Clinton was doing and and what effect it was having versus what trump's doing now get. It was a completely different way. I've talked to a number of people who are involved in that period with Clinton and who came up behind that strategy and they said really key to it was keeping Clinton out of impeachment Peach Mint as much as it might have bothered him personally. Behind the scenes in public he appeared to be president who was working hard on behalf of the the American people that was the image that they tried really hard to put in front that he couldn't be distracted by impeachment. He had real things to deal with. He had the economy and jobs and all the other foreign policy issues that come with being president and impeachment was just a a silly little thing that was being done by the Republicans now of course he did address his accusations and his impeachment at very key specific moments but on a daily basis he sought to stay out of the the fray and look presidential and Republicans and Democrats credit that strategy with helping Clinton get through the process where his approval approval rating went up to sixty percent seventy percent at one point. He left office as one of the most popular presidents they give that credit to the strategy. Strategy and Lindsey Graham was even one of those to give credit to this I think one of the reasons that he survived is that the public may not have liked what the president had done but believed that he was still able to do his job and as he governed during impeachment. I think that was probably the single best thing. He did. Quite frankly to to avoid and it also helps it backfire on the publicans because it made it look like the Republicans. Were not focused on the issues. That matter to people and were carrying on with you know what they tried to portray as just silliness inside the beltway behavior. One of the other other contrast to between Clinton and trump is what was going on behind the scenes is Clinton had sort of for lack of a better term a war council around him and impeachment appeasement war-council trump is really the single soul shaper of strategy for this White House. Trump actually said to us I forget which reporters specifically typically asked but it was one of those days when he's heading off to the helicopter and someone asked him. Are you going to build a war room or are you know. Are you going to be adding staff to help with impeachment. And he said I the an the team that I don't have teams everyone's talking about I'm the team. I did nothing wrong. Of course that fits in with this bigger theme. We've seen of his presidency. Let's see where he is his own communication director. He is his own. You know chief of Staff is own. Political Adviser doesn't think he needs a big staff around him but yeah Clinton learn how to very formal war room. They had a lawyer inside the White House who was solely focused on and peach men who acted as the quarterback who reviewed you'd messaging and talking points that went out of the surrogates and the circuits Clinton had were very few. It was James Carville and Lanny Davis for the most part and those two were able to have a very coordinated sharp message backed up by the facts backed up by the lawyers but it was organized denies and strategize and focused. And we've seen something much different in the trump White House I've seen some reporting here potentially interesting common link between Clinton and trump and that is somebody that trump apparently met with a couple of weeks ago who was instrumental in advising Clinton in ninety eight ninety nine. who was that what can you? What can you tell us about that? Mark Penn former Clinton adviser came into the White House to talk about this strategy that Clinton used and the trump White House is well aware of what what Clinton did how their strategy played out. They have received this advice of keep focused on being presidential. Don't look like you're distracted and pulled down by impeachment impeachment but like so much of the advice. People have given trump throughout his presidency whether it's his national security advisers or his allies in Congress he just I has a way of doing it his way and making his own call at the end of the day about how he's going to do it and he seems to be carried through with that she in an Alaska to stay put for week. Second where we take this break back in just a minute. Hey It's Chris as you know. Sometimes it's good to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take our broader broader. Look at the issues. That's what I'm doing each week. My podcast why is this happening. Were exploring topics ranging from school segregation to climate change. Well the way that I think it is climate change to the twentieth century. What maternity was to the nineteenth century? It'll be the central subject of questions about economic justice. Everything you care about in the world will be affected by climate and digging in deep with guests uniquely qualified to analyze issues from mass incarceration to race relations as you know for the first time in our history at the national level whites are on the verge of losing their majority status in twenty years. And I think it's no coincidence that our politics park getting more tribal. Join me for wise's happening new episodes every Tuesday. Wherever you get your podcasts Let's talk about where things go from here. The articles of Impeachment Democrats McRae are are introducing here two articles of impeachment to charges abuse of power obstruction of Congress. We did not see the White House. Play a formal role in these committee. Hearings brings they were offered one the declined it. Will there be a specific White House defense on these two charges. The Senate is where they are expecting vaccine to really be able to lay out their case part of that is just by the very nature of how the Senate trial works and we don't have all the procedures details details on what's going to happen on. The Senate side laid out yet. But as we've seen in past impeachments the president's lawyers will have an opportunity to stand in front of the Senate and make their very clear concise case like it works in a criminal trial. That's where we should see. A more clear case from. The White House is coming to shape. You're getting into some interesting territory here too because there. Is this question out there about. If this zooming does get to the Senate the Senate has to have a trial. Republicans Publican's of course control the Senate Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader on the one hand. Here he is the leader of the Republican Party in the Senate on the other hand he sort of has control troll of the entire Senate the entire chamber the entire institution. How is he balancing those two? Those two roles right. I mean obviously is not a supporter of of impeachment and has a very strong supporter of the president. He has not been as big a defender of the president's. S Some members of the Senate Lindsey Graham for example. Paul and. I'm told that part of that is that he has to do a bit of a balancing act here where the way that the impeachment is designed for the Senate. The senators are supposed to be the jurors. Now I've been told by people who talked to his office and and other senators involved in this process that you know they feel the house process looked very partisan and they would like it although it's a difficult to fully imagine this being possible but they would like it to sort of look like a non-partisan process in the Senate or at least not have it looked like quote unquote Oh kangaroo court show trial to of course then give some legitimacy to the outcome which presumably will be the president being acquitted so in order for that that to really look like the acquittal was done in a serious thoughtful process McConnell and other senators are trying to stay out of the the the daily fray of impeachment this is a obviously a noteworthy week in Washington to put it mildly. Not just because this is the week the Democrats Put to put forward the articles of impeachment. They're going to bring against the president but also because on the same day that Democrats did that there was arguably the biggest bipartisan artisan legislative breakthrough that there has been for the entire trump presidency basically three years now this on the US MCA the United States. Mexico Canada trade agreement sort of of an update of the NAFTA agreement from generation ago. The timing of that is so fascinating to folks because this gives at least potentially trump's something legislatively to brag about. What's going on there? That was maybe one of the biggest whiplash moments of the past three years. There's been so many but that that that was quite remarkable to see her with an hour of each other announce articles of impeachment. And then come out and say oh by the way you remember that guy. We were impeaching. Well we just reached a deal with him but for trump it does give him a really strong talking point. This was one of the main campaign promises he made. Unlike those politicians all additions I keep my promises. Trump advisor feel like this is one of their strongest arguments. Is that unlike every other politician in the history the world trump actually did what he said he was going to do. He didn't get into office and do what the lobbyist of the special interest told him to do. He stuck to what he said he was going to do. And he got it done and they have a whole motto. Promises made promises kept so it is a very big win for him and he doesn't have that many other than the tax bill. I'd say this is the second most significant legislative achievement. He has at that rally last night to the president. Also making the claim that hey this whole impeachment thing. It's only only making me stronger. Poll numbers have gone through the roof. Because stupid when you look at the polls on this it's it's much more complicated picture. Then he's painting. We've we've certainly seen before but I I. It's not clear to me. I have to say looking at the polls that either side is benefiting right now i. I wonder when you when you talk to people kind of behind the scenes on both sides of this do they each feel like yeah. The politics of this are going to work for us are they. Both apprehensive is one more confident than the other. What you pick up on when they're when they're sort of not being quoted for the record? Well I mean I will say I talk a lot. More to Republicans than people on trump than Democrats. But I certainly was just having a conversation with the the democratic strategists today who was touting some poll numbers they had in battleground states and then yesterday of course I was talking to someone on the trump side who who is touting their numbers in battleground states so everybody seems to have their own version of reality. Whether it's idee reported the Miller report or poll numbers everybody. Everybody seems to have their own version that fits their narrative but when I talked to those involved with the campaign about what are you looking for in the poll numbers. They have a sense that everybody's basically chosen their sides so there is a sense that this election like twenty sixteen is GonNa come down to the margins. It's GONNA come down to turn out it's GONNA to come down to mobilizing certain groups D mobilizing other groups. It's going to have a lot to do with who their opponent is. I think there's a general level of optimism in trump world. But they do feel like it will come down to a few thousand votes in Florida that we won't know how it's going to go until the night before before the election. It's a fascinating possibility that I guess kind of fits in with this polarized era. We're always talking about the possibility you could have. In impeachment of a President United States and he emerges politically not strengthened or weakened. Just just sort of the same after actually going through impeachment and then it comes down as you say to another election here we are again Tena Petty Senior White House reporter for NBC News. Thanks for joining us. Thank you tonight. The House Judiciary Committee meets to start debating amending ending. Those two articles of impeachment process will continue Thursday morning in. The committee is scheduled to vote on the articles by the end of the day. Article Michael to inside impeachment is produced by Isabel. Angel Max Jacobs Clear Tie Erin Dolton Creepy Vardhan Alison Bailey. Adam Nebo Imbaba Rab. Our Executive Producer user is Ellen. Franken Steve Lick the executive producer of audio. I'm Steve Kornacki will be back on Friday.
The White House Witness Protection Program
"It's Tuesday November. Twenty six and that impeachment witness list might have just gotten longer we start here a federal judge ruled. WHO's the White House can't keep all of its employees from Congress? The judges saying this is basically fiction. This argument that you can ignore office a peanut and this goes beyond one president. We will break down not one but two big rulings overnight president trump's support of a disgrace seal ripples through the military leaders of the special warfare community will feel like they've been chopped off at the knees arthritis has new details on the aftermath of the standoff and these jewels were safer a couple hundred years. So where are they now. The authorities here talking about that cultural value being greater the material value the historic heist that has rocked in Europe from. ABC News this is start here I'm Brad Milkey. This is a week. Where in theory members of Congress are off out of Washington for the Thanksgiving holiday to meet with constituents? Do what you WanNa do in reality though. This is the week where the House Intelligence Committee is going over everything they heard in the course of seven different hearings in the last couple of weeks encountered an irregular informal channels share baseless allegations with the president. My intent was to raised concerns because they had significant national security implications for our country. I've been hurt. President trump. Ask so he's going to do the investigation. Mr Giuliani's requests were a quid. Pro Pro quo for arranging a White House visit for presidents Alinsky assuming that the end of those hearings the next step would be to write a report and adopted the House Judiciary Committee and and see if that committee draws up articles of impeachment the House would vote on that Senate decides whether or not the president but with every day that passes beyond those hearings. We're learning that's not necessarily summarily. All there is to this story because the People Congress have heard from are not the only people they wanted to hear from and last night a judge issued a ruling that could have profound profound implications. Not Just for how these impeachment hearings go but for the trump administration overall. ABC Supreme Court contributor. Kate show with us. And so I mean can you just explain what this ruling was and why. It's a big deal. Sure Brad so this actually stems back. To the Muller reports Don mcgann former White House counsel was actually a really significant player in the Muller report specifically typically involving some of these obstruction of justice episodes began told the special counsels team under oath at the president repeatedly asked him to fire Robert Mueller mcgann said he refused even threatening threatening to resign so congress has been wanting to talk to mcgann directly since way before these impeachment proceedings were underway. This committee will hear Mr mcgann's testimony even that if we have to go to court to secure it this laws that has been in the works since last spring and now we have a ruling that says the administration has made basically frivolous legal arguments. Them again again doesn't even have to show up to answer questions in Congress I and in fact he's required to answer congressional subpoenas. He may be able to avoid answering specific questions but he can't just not show up. Yeah well that's the Mueller investigation like you said but I remember last week Kate. We were talking about John. Bolton the former national security adviser how much Congress wanted to hear from him in that they subpoenaed him but he was like no sorry. I actually have to wait for a court ruling to know if I'm allowed to comply with does this mean more people have to testify now. I think this ruling could definitely have implications locations beyond just Don mcgann so basically the White House has been making the argument with respect to mcgann with respect to Bolton with respect to Mick Mulvaney that these advisers enjoy something called absolute immunity. That Congress can't even require them to show up to answer questions and then maybe fight about whether things are protected by executive privilege. No the White House has said they don't even have to respond to subpoenas Pena's and this decision is a powerful rebuke of that legal argument. A federal judge telling the White House. The constitution never envisioned a president having the power our quote kneecap house investigations by demanding. His staffers ignore congressional. Screeners to judge is saying this is basically fiction this argument that you can ignore waffle subpoena subpoenas not an invitation or suggestion. You have to show up you know this is just one district court. I think they're almost the DOJ says that's not the end right you. You can appeal all this you certainly can. But it's also the case that if these former White House officials are a little bit hesitant about what they're what they think their legal obligations are they you could point to this ruling as basically an authorization for them to show up an answer questions in Congress you know if anyone is looking for cover in order show up to testify. I think this opinion very much gives them that. We actually heard Bolton's been going over this with his lawyer overnight and Kate. This was not the only legal decision the White House had to deal with last night right the. US Supreme Court is now looking at the president's taxes. I mean that sounds very separate. Is this related at all to what we were just talking about. You know I think. These cases are conceptually linked although the topics are different so there are actually two cases involving requests for the president's taxes. One from the Manhattan. Da One actually from a congressional committee but the White House is is making the argument that because the president is involved basically the normal rules don't apply and maybe the law doesn't even apply and that is basically the argument that they were making with respect to these advisers and their testimony and that this district court opinion really strikes down at the Supreme Court actually issued a stay on giving up those tax returns. Meaning they don't have to do it right now. And if the White House was looking for a signal that the Supreme Court might be sympathetic to the president that might have been pretty decent signal for them still a lot of judges right now saying the president's way more constrained in the White House is admitted in recent history. Kate Shaw thanks so much. Thank you Brad. And as we talk about impeachment remember. There's another central character that keeps popping up again and again and he's coming under closer and closer scrutiny. Rudy Giuliani the president's personal lawyer. The president's lawyer went on on Fox News to say he's not worried his client might expect him to take the fall for Ukraine saying things written. Why he's going to throw me under the bus right when they say that? I say he isn't but I have insurance but Giuliani now says in a tweet. He's being sarcastic. And while Congressional Democrats ponder their next steps while the White House fights it's battles while the White House Turkey Start Angling for their pardons. Let's get you up to speed here. ABC's Johnson Touchy is sourced up and down Pennsylvania Avenue and Jonathan. There could be new evidence in this whole debacle Well like you Brad. I was hoping is to focus on Turkey pardons but like usual. Washington is other plans for our weeks. You know I do think that as we start to see things if you will quiet down. Publicly as members of Congress are away. That doesn't mean. The work of the Committees has necessarily stopped. We've actually learned within the last couple of days. The House Intelligence Committee came into possession of documents records videos images and photographs. From one of Giuliani's lianis associates love partners Farnesina Gor. Fruman stood before the judge here in pleaded not guilty to campaign finance charges. One of the two that were indicted up in the southern district of New York case that is still ongoing. What's interesting there Brad is that that is the first person as a released Giuliani to actively cooperate with with this congressional inquiry? Now our sources tell us that it's a lot of stuff it's a Lotta video recordings it's images there's documents some are in English Submarine Marin Ukrainian. We don't know the exact substance that is so obviously it could be something huge. It can be something not so huge but the fact of the matter is that it is still jill cooperation ever the less that they are going through right now house intelligence chairman Adam Schiff announced. Today he will release a report. Shortly after Thanksgiving revealing ailing quote a fact pattern that is overwhelming unchallenged and damning. And so that's what. I'm trying to figure out John. I mean we've had these congressional investigations but we've also had the criminal investigations by federal authorities or those guys finding stuff that would influence congress in theory and if so does Congress need to slow its role. Well your your question is interesting. But then the other piece of your question is do Congress and the federal investigators in New York have to play Nice with each other and the answer to that is not really right. The feds are going about their investigation slowly methodically. We saw overnight. The Wall Street Journal reported. ABC is confirmed that the prosecuting nineteen in the southern district. New York has actually been issuing more and more subpoenas To the Guiliani orbit they asked for documents records etc etc and the details details according to the Journal. Is that indie subpoenas. They were looking for information about money. Laundering fraud campaign finance violations. I mean the list goes on and on and on the takeaway is that they are casting a wide wide net but John I just have to ask a really basic question. All the stuff about Giuliani's associates and pleading eating not guilty to campaign finance violations. I mean even if Giuliani himself got indicted. What does that have to do with President trump and whether he exploited another country to look into Joe Biden? Like what does that have to do with anything because they took the same road together. Brad because you have. The president is State's asking Ukraine go after Joe Biden while the road that he took required vehicle to get there and in the driver's seat of that vehicle was Rudy Giuliani. And these two guys partisan firm and were in the backseat. Rudy is a great crimefighter corruption fighter. I take your point that they're not exactly the same stars if you will because the president is obviously the focus of the impeachment. c'mon pro because he's the one that could be impeached and Rudy is the star of the Southern District Investigation which is still growing but the fact of matter is that they had to go on the same path together for what they were doing. And if there is something damning if you will in these documents records videos recordings etc etc that Congress has that could be something that would be focused. More for Giuliani stuff but it could have been actions condoned by the president. We don't know yet. Another nugget reported overnight. The White House is actually reviewing that attempt to withhold aid from Ukraine to go over their own phone records thrown emails and sources. They're telling you you do a real question springing up about whether there was a scramble at the White House to go back after the fact in justify all these calls John Santigi. 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ABC NORTHERN DOT COM SLASH ABC morning. So this is right now. Probably the the world's most famous talk yesterday. President trump congratulated America's favorite member of the Armed Services Code Him. The dog help take out the leader of Isis. And we just gave Conan a metal plaque. And it's really uh and I actually think exactly what was going on the mall. That was all smiles. That is not the mood at the Pentagon right now because while Conan might have a job former Navy secretary Richard Spencer does not to wash now where the navy sector has been forced to resign resigned at odds with President trump and his Pentagon secretary over the handling of navy seal warcrimes case as we reported yesterday so I went back to president. Trump's defense of navy seal convicted deposing with the corpse of a prisoner a teenager. Spencer's boss defense. Secretary Mark S. Burt originally said this was all about not respecting the chain of command but yesterday we started hear from the president himself and exactly how this forced resignation went down. ABC's chief global affairs correspondent. Martha Raddatz is with us. So Martha I mean what have we learned over the last twenty four hours. Well the president clearly is the one who ordered the Pentagon to let Eddie Gallagher keep his seal Triton Pin with any gallagher. Did you know that story Mary. Well they wanted to take away and I said No. You're not gonNA take it away. He was a fighter. He was one of the ultimate fighters tough guy and secretary criterion Esperer. The defense secretary said okay. Basically I give up. We're not gonNA have this review where it was possible that he could have lost that Trident. Pin meaning his signifies. He's a seal but more than that his rank which provides benefits as well and I was going to confuse Martha because originally Mark Asper that defense secretary saying. Hey Guy Brand under me Richard Spencer Kinda went behind my back and talk to the White House about this deal but the deal was let gallagher. Keep us pain. which would from the words of Richard Spencer it really sounded like he is not on board with US Navy seal or what the White White House is doing it? It's all very confusing and secretary. Asper made clear that he and Mark Milley the chairman of the Joint Chiefs wanted. The process has to go forward. Wanted to allow the Navy to review gallagher and whether he deserved to keep that tried to pin and his rank doc and benefits defense secretary. espy says he fired Spencer for going around him. In dealing with the gallagher issue what happened according to Esber. Is that Secretary Spencer. The Navy Spencer who is a trump appointee was talking to someone at the White House White House folks and saying look just let the review go forward But in the end he'll keep his Trident Pin Navy Secretary Richard Spencer just issued a statement saying he quote cannot in good conscience obey in order he believes violates his sacred oath. What does this whole controversy mean for president trump then and his role as commander in chief? I listened closely to the President from the Oval Office US on Monday. I think what I'm doing sticking up for our armed forces and there's never been a president that's going to stick up for them and has like like I have including for him to say look. They wanted to take his pin away. And I said you're not going to take it away. He was great fighter. And then you have a system where these warriors with him get put in jail for twenty five years. I'm going to stick for our warrior. I will stick up for the warriors. Okay thank you very much. Everybody those I people in Special Warfare Community who are totally against gallagher keeping that trident say that is not what their culture promotes their culture promotes order and discipline that when the fighting gets tough no matter how mad you are and how angry at that Isis fighter in what all those horrible people stand for. You're a better person and I've been asked him. I mean you know people in the military how I mean. Did you have a ballpark idea of how many of them agree with the president. That guys like gallagher kind of get a bad rap and that our soldiers need more leeway in the fog of war with prisoners of war. I mean are there are a lot of voices like that. I have not really talked to anyone. No one is reached out. In any way saying gallagher was a great guy we are back with Fox News alert update in the case of Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher and he certainly says he has his supporters and we have seen them. I'm trying to encourage people to join the most elite forces. This is a perfect example of how you can destroy that recruitment but I I was in touch with someone I vastly vastly respect. WHO's been in the navy seals for decades and he said the leaders of the special warfare community will feel like they've been chopped off at the knees he's by having the president's Stop Dish Review the jury acquitted gallagher on the most serious charges but convicted him proposing an picture next the body of a teen Isis fighter? They've already taken away about a hundred and Fifty Trident since twenty eleven for lesser offenses. And this this community is so proud of how they got there what they do and what they stand for and there are many of them who do not believe leave that Eddie Gallagher stands for that anymore. The plan is for him to retire soon but he will retire with that pin on his uniform. Martha Raddatz thanks so much you bat brad. We see lots of bank robberies in this country in Europe meanwhile they've got a slightly different problem that brazen heist in London. Hundreds of millions in valuables jewel. Thieves repelling down elevator elevator. Shafts European burglars see love a good heist preferably involving really really expensive jewels. Police say who edited this came in through an elevator shaft. After dropping down to the basement they used industrial drills to break through a twenty inch reinforced concrete. All but even these bandits really go after history of yesterday in eastern Germany near the Czech border authorities said thieves have broken into a museum and walked away with pieces. You can't really put a price on it all. ABC's foreign correspondent James Longman. We'll try to put this in perspective for us. So James Way are you. I am as we speak right. townside this museum it's an ancient palace. It is freezing cold in Dresden and I'm scene of the crime basically. What was the crime? Here what these people steal. Who are there well? It was quite elaborate. We don't know who they are. They managed to get away But we understand just before five o'clock walk in the morning on Monday. Police were called to a fire at an electrical junction box and It seems to put out the lights around the museum possibly ably over one specific window through which it seems that these suspects gained entry. They took apart a an iron inculcate over the windows smashed their way in and the TV footage is extraordinary. It's like something out of a movie. You can see at least two suspects with their flashlight sweeping around the room this beautiful medieval tiled floor black and white tiles and then they find they way over to an ornate jewelry case and basically with ax smash their way in and we understand now have taken three sets of jewelry. Don't know quite what they're worth because authorities here say they're essentially priceless but they made off with them within minutes. The police were actually on the scene and under ten minutes and these guys were long gone at least two suspects. Rex may be more. That was a cough found on fire not far from the scene at a garage which they believe was used as the getaway car and now the hunt is on to find these these guys on a and could you just speak to what the reaction was in this part of Germany for this particular site because from all the coverage I've seen within Germany. It really does sound like this was a sort of a cherished thing and kind of shocking moment. Yeah I mean these. This jury collection that dates back to seventeen twenty three a guy called Augustus. The strong one of the early rulers of of what was then You know a collection of kingdoms. In this part of Europe it grew into the royal family's exquisite trove of ivory silver and gold treasures displayed in rooms as opulent as the collection itself and the authorities. Here talking about that cultural value being greater to the material value its purpose synthesis of the arts as an expression of wealth and absolute power. This is one of Europe's oldest museums. Ziems it's inside. A royal palace called the Green Volt because of this wonderful green paint is used up to a billion dollars to believe some of the local press worth of jewelry inside aside so it is an extraordinarily important cultural icon for Germany. I just think of my own country. In the United Kingdom the crown jewels housing the are of London similarly priceless in kind of you know the national psyche and I think that's what's happier in Germany. They've had a piece of their history. Solan I James Longman in Dresden. Germany keeping his eyes peeled to thanks so much. Thanks and one last thing Willie Murphy is eighty two years old. She's a grandma she looks about. One hundred fifteen pounds and she lives alone late at night recently. She's getting forbid when she hears a strange man pounding on her door he was outside Sam please call analysts. Because I'm sick I'm sick. She does does the smart thing in that situation. She says okay. I'll call for help but I'm not letting you inside. Well that's when this guy starts to force the door open. This is the nightmare scenario. If you're an eighty two year year old grandma with his intruder didn't know is that this grandma is also a bodybuilder. See is the wrong person mess with the condemned indeed lived two hundred twenty five pounds and this guy comes in she knocks him over and lifts up a table and are working on him and guesswork the table Bro. She starts slamming on him when he's down. I'm jumping on him on. The table is broken. She empties a bottle of shampoo and his face and starts whacking with the broom. His Don already. 'cause I had really did a number on that man when the cops arrived the guy still in the floor floor and then the police just asked to take selfies with her. I'm alone and I'm old but guess what. I'm tough so intruders in Rochester. New York or anywhere for that matter. Jeff don't mess with grandma you've been warned tweeted this interview she did with. ABC William Murphy is wearing a shirt from her local. Powerlifting competition. Mike this is who she is. If you get six seconds please click open your podcast APP right. Now give us a five star review maybe a rating that would mean so much to us more and all these stories at ABC News Dot com the BBC News App. Brad milkey tomorrow The the National Geographic podcast overheard is back and this season. They're exploring the ancient. Maya Cave of the Jaguar God the graffiti of Pompeii. They're searching for alien alien. 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Words Matter Library - "Under Fire: Reporting from the Front Lines of the Trump White House" by April Ryan
"And. Welcome to the words matter library. This is Adam sitting in for at least Steve today. We're in Washington, and our guest is or winning journalist. Yes. Bestselling author me win. The UN veteran White House correspondent, and my friend. Yes. Dave before we start we have to plug your latest book. Yes. She's under fire reporting from the frontlines of the Trump White House. It's available on audible. It's a great, listen everywhere. Wilk Nord's manner. Oh, I'm so pleased to be here with you. And as you noted in the interest of full disclosure during my tenure as assistant White House press secretary for George W Bush used to harangue you all the time. You did. We'll get we'll get into that. But you did it in a way again, I want I want to tell people about your style as we get into this. Because what's my style? Your style was what I called patient yet relentless all because you know, you know, being in the White House press office is a lot of waiting around way. Hurry up and wait. So you're outside someone's door. I'm in some meeting, never got frustrated nasty. So first of all, congratulations. Thank you for the for the congratulations. Congratulations are this month begin ear twenty-second twenty two years twenty two years, and we did a little word a little number count before. We did. We did some some counting before the make me feel. No, no. It's four presidents. Yes. Twelve press secretary's really eighteen communications directors dang thirteen. Chiefs of staff. I survived them. All I wanna go back. Yes. Working with April. Ryan was so much fun. And those people in the White House should be thrilled that they get to do this every day because I miss it. But let's go back to that. First day, go Clinton's president, Mike McCurry's the press secretary. I love my Leon Panetta's chief staff, Newt Gingrich down the other end of Pennsylvania's with the contract with America and all that stuff. And I want to know what it was like for a young not yet thirty years old. Not yet. Not yet. You were not thirty. When you started to walk through those gates for the first time and take that seat pressroom next to wolf and Sam downside. So let me go back when I finally realized had the assignment I was walking with a friend Louis. I got this. I'm it. And we went to some event at the willow. Tell and I walked the park, and I was like oh my God. I'm gonna work here so intimidated, and I remember talking to the secret service guy that was standing there, you probably maybe long gone by now twenty two years, and I'm going to be working great. I'll see you when you get here. And then that first day came, and I never forget it was cold. It was it was in January, right? This time of year. It was bitterly cold. I mean, I remember remember the the the Brown lease, you know, rustling and Lafayette Park scraping against the the the red break and looking at stark white building with the black. Rod iron gates, and I was like all. My God, you know. And I never forget the historic moment. You know, the president was commemorating or remembering the black soldiers row from World War Two who did not get medals for bravery. And I said what a fitting day every day. I walk through those gates. I don't I don't get the euphoria. Like, I did the first time. Right. But not every day. I walk through those gates or come close them like, wow. For kid from Baltimore. And I'm gonna say a black girl from Baltimore who has touched every area Baltimore, especially the areas where Freddie gray was picked out as to go to the hairdresser their churches that are frequent near where he was picked up the street corner pin in north without where the police standoff was is where my mother's to take me to the health clank a kid. Yeah. You know, being black and Baltimore, Nancy. Pelosi's Baltimore, we touch NC del Sandra. Yes. Her father and brother were mayors of Baltimore the Dila Sandro 's so literally. But when you're in Baltimore, you touch almost every area Baltimore, you know, from high income low income to middle income or middle income family. But in Baltimore at that time in the sixties. You know, you you you were in the black community all parts of the black and you were striving to get on the other side of the beltway. But you know, there was redlining. But you know, and that that's a piece of my survival. How to patiently wait and understand that? It's just a season and understanding that going to this place was like, oh my gosh. I never magin. Being why today I never magic meeting. You never imagined that I would be in the space of history and being a part of history writing history having people listen to history is still even what I'm talking about is still kind of gets you kind of choke you up. It's amazing. It's amazing. And it's also a little weedy, you feel you little way feel it you feel it. I mean, I'm sure you still live in death are written and spoken that buildups by the leader of the free world who we have worked with in. So he started there like we said in January of nineteen ninety seven. The Ken Starr, whitewater investigation was remember that was entering its fourth year for all those people who say that the the Muller things gone onto the Monica stuff happened. When I was when you were there. And so that was the first thing you saw really that that first year, and it's amazing. I went back just for fun to that first White House correspondent dinner because that was that was pre-. I don't like to call Monica gay 'cause it was Clinton gate. Kinda not fair to her. But pre all that coming out and John Stewart, very young John Stewart, and he didn't even his jokes. He did seventeen minutes. He made fun of Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd a little bit, Al Gore. He didn't even make fun of. But it's hard to sit in front of a president and roast him. I'll never forget Cedric the entertainer in George W Bush was he was bombing. Because he was sweating profusely. That's a tough room and to be able to roast the president in his face. And I remember that one because I was honored to be your guest. Yeah. For that one. And so, you know, you watch that investigation and you watching peach you've seen a lot of a lot of impeachment. I've seen I was young reporter. But I've seen it. I'll never forget we have to remember that when reporters covering something we understand for the most part the magnitude of it. And it was the Ken Starr report, the it was. The map Brome and Bill Clinton being deposed at remember after you know, he was deposed. And he announced you know, that he lied. An are never forget the rallies at the White House in the rose garden. Oh, yeah. I'll never forget that rally. They. I was there. I'll never forget those. But one thing I will never forget when Kim star came in. When you were there things to change it with each president is a bit of change or and there's a bit of change in how the the process happens. But at that time, it was pre nine eleven everything the campus was open you can walk along east executive avenue between treasury, right and right east. Exact right. Yes. You and you could walk along with no problem. And now it's shut down after nine eleven. But during that time there were so many people who would just gathered along just watching what was going on. And that day, the crowds were just massive. And I'll never forget Ken Starr came. I it was dark car. I believe if I remember it was blue. It's not blue. It was black or green it was dark car run. And he came in and on their forget I caught his eye and he was sitting alone in. In that in that the back of the car, and I looked at him, and he was just alone and the importance of him coming to the White House. And then it was the silence was deafening in the White House that day because we will waiting to find out, and I believe there was a clock on on the news ticking as to how long the president was being deposed. And it was just such a deafening silence. There. I remember all the gala, I ran into Paul Begala. And at that time the ushers used to walk the president's close. He used to change a lot these always walk his suits back and forth between the residence between the residents and the White House in the west in the west wing. Yes, the colonnade. We would see that. And I'll never forget this this back and forth with water and trays of water. And and and the suits, and I talked to Paul and it was another reporter with me. And I suppose what should we expect? He said the first lady is, you know, she's there, and she's a part of this. And and just wait just what he just kept trying to calm. What was going on? Yeah. He is he really really good back. Then you still get it. And I wanted to know and I'll never forget watching that night because I was sitting that day. And I was watching my eyes met Khin star for that moment. And as he was driving in. And I mean that was a moment that is edged in my mind. Just I remember the feeling I remember the silence. I remember how people were trying to keep the word that were very strategic in their words. I remember Mike McCurry and even back then words matter or as always. The words really mad, especially now, I remember those those briefings, and how McCurry would he didn't wanna know a lot of things. Well, I I actually used to us Mike in media training and Mike wiza- mourn hand guys. I wasn't a great sense of humor. Like you said he kept his distance from Clinton. But I remember he wants began one of those briefings by saying, you know, usually, they read the news of the day is, you know, anybody they read the schedule. He just said, I'm welcomed, ladies and gentlemen, to the theater of the absurd. Do this five times a week without I'll be happy to take your questions, and he was the first one to open up those briefings to his consternation, but I told him I said don't you ever be upset because people especially now in this moment, we need transparency because so much is done without knowledge of what's happening and how it happened. This is still the United States of America. And there's more of a call for transparency, and I'm really surprised and shocked. That the American people are not screaming about a lack of briefings right now. This is not good. This is not good. Let's go back. You mentioned nine eleven. We talked about the transition with ministrations Bush folks came in. I didn't come at the start. I actually start till January one of two, but you know, that honeymoon period that's usually year year and a half that ended that day September. And you were there in that press room. You were working talk about that. Well, let me say this. Let me say this. I wasn't in the press from at the time. I was literally waiting for the president to come back from Florida, right? Yes. Okay. So you were so I was at home in Baltimore. So he was in Florida. And all of a sudden, I was a trip. It was a trip. It was trip and Andy cart was there and some of our colleagues on the plane with them it felt like Armageddon day. And if you remember the moment, and this is I think when a lot of things change technology, how we communicate everyone communicated with each other. Because at that time we every. Pretty much had flip phones over transitioning from flop only had the, blackberry blackberry. Exactly you remember. So people couldn't the phone lines were down couldn't communicate with the people who could communicate with their friends were texting right on the blackberry, and then the White House press corps quickly moved from beepers and those flip phones to the blackberry by the time. I got there in January one of two we were all issued blackberrys and Rove's wasn't even White House blackberry at the time. It was an R N C blackberry, because the White House did not even issue them in toll after nine eleven and so you telling something he was he's both have RNC, but. Maybe it became an issue. I don't want this podcast. It'd be that all the revelation. But so say again, I don't know this. No, they don't. But you know, I showed up I'd worked at NBC news. I'm democrat from New York or new your cousin had towns what he's congressman. I love him. And he was a great part of that delegation. But was mazing was even though the press and Republicans Republicans perceive that they that they get treated tougher than than most. That was a pretty collegial group. I know what it was tough sometimes, but he tried and we were. Yeah. I don't have. Yeah. I don't have problem with Ari. I mean, but when we hit our disagreements we agreed to disagree, and we respected each other the next day. And I think that's why you and I I mean, it doesn't it's not about policy or politics for me. And that's the unfortunate thing now that the press room in we're under attack for reason, you have a press room that doesn't look like it used to the time of Walter Cronkite. We didn't know his politics. All we knew was that's the way it was. We didn't know his politics until after he left. Sure. But now you have very extreme liberal reporters. You have extreme right-wing reports conservative reports. And then you have some that are down the middle apprai- that I'm down the middle or you've always been done. It was amazing was I was thinking about this in the context of of the apron under fire are always called on you, even if he didn't wanna hear your question. My Republican Ari with his democratic parents democratic. And we into this day. We can laugh we may disagree, and and there were ten cents. I remember he did something that I asked in the briefing or in the gaggle, and it may news. I asked him about Bill Clinton trying to help with Israel and Palestine. And he said, you know, he was in at that time. He was not at the level where heat could speak on another president. And it was a big news because he said something when you shoot for the moon, and you miss or something. Yeah. And you miss, and it was a big story. And I asked Ari never are. That was his response. I just asked the blanket question, and he made there was why he made the news and he got chastised for. I remember you you think it was bad up front. You should've seen behind the scene and he got Trump before. But he didn't he never jumped me. Did. He no, no. You just mentioned that about the reporters. Now, you're obviously, not a politician. But you have what I call constituents or at least listeners. I have I have April our APRIL's army. Apparently, would you have people that listen to you that read you leave and believe you, and you ever talk about a little bit about your responsibility to those people to get it right to do the job you do number one as a reporter as a journalist. I mean, I went to school studied for this. And you have to research. That's what we do. And people think when we sit there which is coming up out of our eyeball and just thinking of something sometimes if we do that is because we're playing on something that someone else asked something that we already know about we have studied to integrate talked to sources on the hill. Talked to congressional leaders talked to senators talked to whoever the people who are involved we have done. We've done our homework before we go and ask. And so as a journalist, I think, it's. Imperative because the stakes are so high and people listen out for us to tell them the truth, and what's going on. Because the White House is still a mystery. And what we do is kind of take the veil off of it and inform. I believe it's it's my it's my duty to tell the truth and know as much talked as many people because there are people out here that are hurting is important for me to talk to Larry Kudlow and say, you know. Yes, you say there is a hardship. Yes. You say that the GDP is affecting. Yes. You say that you're sad about it. But in the meantime, you keep talking about this wall. And what you need does it balance out. There are people out here that losing their homes that their lives are in jeopardy. They can't pay their medical bills or pay for drugs. This is not a joke. Yeah. Real and I come from that kind of people who need information. I am. If you didn't know, I'm a black woman. From baltimore. But no, I mean, I understand the need for information. I come from a community that would read the papers about things that affected them when the mainstream news didn't tell us information is power information is important. We need to know how things affect us a weekend live our lives for survival. Thank you. For listening to words matter with the leash Jordan and Steve Schmidt. For more information on our show and hosts visit words matter media dot com. Please rate and review words matter on apple podcasts and other podcasts providers.
Ghosts of the White House
"Monster. Talk is supported by listeners like you find out how you can contribute via patriot or with reviews monster. Talk dot org. Forged slash support your contributions larger small make a huge difference. Thanks. When I think about haunted houses. I usually think of decaying old buildings homes, bent with age and held together as much by legend is by would plaster an old nails. But in the heart of Washington, DC, the residents of the president of the United States is full of legends as it is politicians history and lore mingle to paint, colorful pictures of a house, which stands so starkly white. Actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. Giant hairy ape. It marked Ness, a twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the highlands as if the creature known as the Loch Ness, monster. More stir doll. Welcome to monster talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith. And I'm Karen stalls ner. Have no fear. I mean you can be afraid of ghosts if Eli. But we're not gonna talk about politics tonight. We're going to be talking about the residents the United States, presidents and many legends around it. I do need to make a note about the sound quality in this episode or at least in the interview portion, thanks to this generous support of patrons. I've been able to purchase some new quit to get better sound quality. But somehow when I sit this episode up my audio was incorrectly set to use the laptop microphone instead of the lovely expensive microphone, I normally talk into I believe, Karen Lindsey, both sound fine. But despite my best efforts my audio settings, they sound poor. So my apologies. But on the bright side, Karen, Lindsey do most of the talking in this episode. So let's head on down Pennsylvania Avenue past the fences and security guard and into the White House for some more so couple of things together with book, Ethan wants your name's Lindsay, Churkin sqi, is that right? That's right. And lizzie. We don't have a bio for you. So can you tell us about who you are and your job chore? So I am a White House historian for the White House historical association, which means that it's my job to share history about the White House, and the people that have lived there and worked there and built the space and all of the things of sort of happened in around the White House and what it has meant to American culture prior to starting this job. I had a postdoctoral fellowship at the center for presidential history at southern Methodist university and then prior to that I received my PHD early American history at the university of California Davis, and my specialty is actually on political institutions, especially in the early Republic. I have recently completed a book on the creation of the president's cabinet particular George Washington's excuse me. In George Washington's administration. And so that will be out next year. Some really excited about that. And so, yeah, that's a little bit of my, my backstory. Available for preorder yet or anything not yet. Unfortunately, I'm dying to see what the cover ends up looking like out with Harvard University press in probably March of twenty twenty. Cairns into that before the books. Yeah, not number of times and saw it's certainly exciting. When you see that cover for the first time and the few books of actually even going through publishers had to design by covets, which is an interesting experience, too. Yeah. I can imagine. I think they'll probably take the lead, but I'm very curious to see what they come up with. They've done really great things in the past, so I trust them. But I'm very anxious for it. One more. One more presidential by we'll probably have many. But so you mentioned cabinet, but that, that, that terminology came later, right? I trying to remember which president had, it was Roosevelt's have who, who issues, the whole kitchen cabinet or the cabinet is name of the people who came in. Yes, the cabinet. The term cabinet actually came from Britain. Yes. Oh, cabinet initially referred to a small room off of sort of the main chambers of the kings meeting space into he would take his favorite ministers into the king's cabinet which was like a small little closet off the main room and it was their private meeting, space, and so became known as the cabinet council. And then it just became known as the cabinet. And so that language was actually brought over and Washington held his first cabinet meeting on November twenty six seventeen ninety one which was tune half years into his presidency. And by seventeen ninety three people were referring to it as the cabinet. So the language was brought over pretty quickly and given to Washington's cabinet pretty quickly. The interesting thing about that, I think, though is Washington himself refused to use that word during his presidency. And so no, we're in his papers is the word cabinet. He either referred to them as the secretary. Stories or the gentlemen or the gentlemen of my family, because he considered the secretaries to be his official family. I'm doing air quotes official family, and so he refused use that word, but he knew that, that's what other people were calling it because the minute he retired. He referred to it as John Adams cabinet so he was very astute about what was going on my best. Guess is that he didn't want to be kit to be compared to the British cabinet? And so that's what he didn't use that language, but he never wrote down why he didn't. So that's kind of speculation. Interesting. He's really big on not being compared to a king. Yeah. Yeah. I mean so Washington was so much more politically astute than people. Give him credit for. And he was very emotionally intelligent about the people around him and public opinion. And so he was very careful about when he was crafting his public persona. He was trying to find a mix between sort of the gravitas, and fancy nece that was required to establish the United States on an international stage and be respectable among all these international players and garner their respect. But also he understood that the American people wanted him to be a virtuous Republican. And that's little are Republican. So, for example, when he was the about his inauguration, the first time he ordered a American homespun suit, it was very good quality homespun, but it was American homespun as opposed to British wall, or silk, or anything like that. And then to give it a. A little bit of flash. He had diamonds shoe buckles. So he he likes to balance things out. That way, this is interesting. Do until I show on Washington. I think so I could talk about him for hours. The reason the how we came up with this idea for the shore was that I came across enough in the Washington Post that was about the White House being haunted. And so we got in contact with you very place to, to be able to have you on the show today. So with this background in history, how did you come to be interested in the ghosts of the White House, or alleged goes to the White House? Sure. So as part of actually, I will say the way I, I got introduced to it is through my current office for my offices. So the White House historical association, offices are in the Decatur house, which is on Lafayette square, just right around the corner from the White House in. It's actually supposed to be one of the most haunted buildings in Washington, D C. And it was told to me very early on. I started just so, you know, sometimes people hear banging if you're here, late at night or hear noises so just a heads up. So that was really my first introduction. And then as I was digging through some of the back catalogue articles we have in some pictures, we have in our in our program online. I started seeing, you know all these stories about the ghost stories in the White House, and some of the people who had reported it. And so, you know, once you start, you kinda got can't stop and just got to keep reading until you figure out everything that's been seen, and who is seen what and what maybe what stories repeat themselves and perhaps have a little bit more serious this to them. Goes viscous looking back at the history of the property where there any legends around the land of where the White House was built around Washington DC self before it became the capital of the United States. I don't know any ghost stories about the land that the White House was built on. However, I do know that the man who owned the land David Burns. He owned a lot of land in Washington DC, or what became Washington DC, including sort of part of Lafayette square, which is now right across Pennsylvania Avenue. And I guess on one of the corners, there was a graveyard before a number of other things were built there. And it seems that there's a reoccurring theme of sort of weird stuff happening on that land. There was a graveyard than British soldiers camped out there during the war of eighteen twelve and than civil war. Soldiers. Can't there? So it seems to be there. There is definitely a recurring theme sort of in that area. But apparently. David Burns wasn't really all that thrilled about giving over some of his land for the city and he in his lifetime sort of resisted by continuing to plant crops up and down Pennsylvania Avenue, which. Shitting hilarious and end you know, like letting out his farm animals to graze. And so he got basically, what was the original version of the season desist letter from Washington and the commissioners asking him can you please stop planting crops in Pennsylvania Avenue? And so, apparently, one of the things that people have reported is that they see the ghost of David Burns, in the White House, in particular in the yellow oval room, which is on the second floor, and that he has come back and several people have seen him with this. I'm currently borrowing truck for my friend did burns. On. I keep thinking of talking heads. Yeah. It's competent name firm. The truck, maybe it'll be burned down my house. Plant on your yard or something. Seems like a lot of ghost stories to dex in the take place in, in a place in a house. So how many people have died in the White House that you're aware of? So to my knowledge, only eleven people have died in the White House, which is actually kind of shockingly, small number given the people that have lived there and worked there over two hundred plus years. So eight presidents died while they were in office, but only to William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor died in the actual house, and five children died, while their parents were in office, but only Willie Lincoln, actually died in the White House, and then three wives Latisha Christian Tyler Caroline Harrison Allen accent Wilson in the home, and then a couple of other residents. A child of one of two of the slaves, actually that Jefferson brought to the White House. An infant. Child died in eighteen o three. The father of Julia. Dent grant died. And then a couple of intruders in the twentieth century who tried to either invade or attack the White House through automobiles were killed either by the secret service or in the accident while I'm really impressed with knowledgeable names, indicts, oh, well, I admit that I am I do have some notes here to prompt my memory, but works. But was it really interesting? Actually think about the White House's you right? Usually go stories are affiliated with people who have died in the home, and it doesn't really seem to be the case with the White House. It seems like most of the ghost stories are either people who lived in the home at one point, or wanted to be in the home, and couldn't be or were forced to leave early or something like that. So it it's more about people and sort of their role on the space as opposed to death. Still difficult jamais as mistrial into to the White House is harm as well. I mean attend to think of on their much Nebraska scope than the just with the current president in SoHo family alluding. So it's just really I mean so much business taking this much more than just people living. This is just interesting to think of it in terms of a harm. Yeah, absolutely wasn't really honestly until the twentieth century until Theodore Roosevelt added the addition of. The first west wing that it actually really became such a business like place. It really was I home and sort of social space for the president to entertain important visitors or people have state, but then, also the American public. And so a lot of times people when they moved in really did struggle with the fact that it was supposed to be their home, but it was also very public space because for a long time, especially early on the bottom floor, which is kind of open to visitors. And so there were just constantly people troops into the East Room in wanting to take souvenirs and come little pieces out of the carpet, or the drapes or. Well, yeah. Wait around to see if they could find the president things like that. And the president had his office on usually on the second floor and would meet with his secretaries and his both his private secretaries and the department secretaries there. So it's really the space tell us so much about American history beyond just the traditional politics. The most people think about it talks about diplomacy, and social trends in customs talks about race relations and the economy and culture and all sorts of things in ways that one space doesn't usually do. So it's a really awesome avenue for studying history of all types. Yeah. Sure is important conic thing. Now I mean they're clearly violent small house is not as big as I thought it would be when I saw. But that's right. It is huge in its presence now prepare normal perspective. It is one of the few. Homes, that's consistently been reported to speak at which I find kind of amazing. I mean, there's probably a day by don't hear that the White House reported, this, the White House said that is practically gossip. That was a joke. You know, it's interesting that it's become. It has become such a symbol of government and such a symbol of the presidency. In a way that it as you pointed out. It really wasn't for a long time. And now you're right. It's absolutely synonymous with the presidency. It's impossible to see it in not think of it in that way. And, you know, the image it sells the most consistent activities appear normal activity that's reported of the property. So I think the most consistent is probably something having to do with Lincoln, which makes sense. I mean he's such a popular president in his death happened in such a tragic and striking sort of way, it also doesn't really help or maybe it does depending on what your perspective, is that MRs Lincoln. Mary Todd Lincoln was very into spiritualism, and so she held regular sale is at the White House. And then at their summer residence at the soldiers home. But many people have reported seeing Lincoln. Or even seen his son, Willie. Mary Todd Lincoln thought that Willis ghost visited her every night, Lynda bird Johnson, Robb, who was president, Johnson's daughter, reportedly saw him in the nineteen sixties and had a conversation with him. But Lincoln apparently came back has come back time and time and time again, actually, one of my very, very famous favorite stories in one of those famous is Winston Churchill. He would repeatedly stay at the White House when he came to visit both Truman and but I d- are he enough to our very close should say Franklin Delano Roosevelt? So when he would come to visit Roosevelt. He would stay initially he would stay in Lincoln's bedroom, which I should clarify for listeners, Lincoln's bedroom was not actually a bedroom initially it was his office in where he would have maps on the wall during the civil war in that became a bedroom later on, and it was referred to as Lincoln's bedroom in Churchill used to stay there. And one time apparently he was taking a bath and Lincoln's ghost walked into the bathroom. And after that, he refused to stay in that bedroom suite and insisted upon stain in a different bedroom on future visits. But apparently first lady, grace Coolidge, and Queen Wilhelmina of another one's also reportedly saw Lincoln. So he is probably the most frequently noted. Also hood to that story that Winston Churchill wasn't wearing anything respecting a pie is out of mass. I think. Bathtub, but he frequently smoked I think he actually smoked cigars. So he was probably frequently smoked. I think he was like a chronic cigar smoker. So I think he was probably smoking a cigar in the bathtub, and, you know, reading papers, or whatever and he apparently was very displeased about it because he said that no one would really wanna go walking in when they were in the bathtub. Our it was not. No, I also read that he said something along the lines of puts me disadvantage. Oh, something like sand break. Showed hill committee chair, Jim. So with the, the phenomena that's reported to is generally reporting is it stories stories coming from Stoffel residents visitors. Some of both most of the reports come from either people who are living in the home so family members or the president's or staff that were there. So one of the most famous report he's his name was Jeremiah Smith. He went by Jerry. And he worked in the White House for about thirty five years. He started under grant as a footman and sort of worked, his way up to what he referred to as the official duster, and he would greet reporters when they would come to the White House, and he always had a good story for them and could tell tall tale, and became so famous in in print that they called him the night of the feather duster, and he they, they loved going to see him when they had a deadline and couldn't come up with a story. So he most of the. These stories, especially the Lincoln ones are treated back to Jerry Smith. He loved telling stories in whether or not they were true is hard to say, but one of his more famous ones was when he was working for president grant grant was really struggling to keep Nellie, and her friends Nellie was grant's daughter and her friends out of the attic, they kept trying to go up there and have a private place to play. And So Jerry Smith came up with the story that the noises she was hearing in the attic were actually, the work of the devil, and he resided, in the attic. And so those noises and the screeches that she was hearing where the double and actually turns out that they found out later that the noises were from very extensive rat problem, but it worked to keep Nellie attic, so yes, he he was very common reporter he told he told lots of deals. Back to the the league in say on in those we have any records of like what sort of things went on during those seances or what did they I know his wife was very much spiritualists the famous goes photo for it was Muller. Did that shot of it? But I was just wondering if we have we know they happen, but we know much about what happened during those experiences. We know too many details, but I do think that they were reported on fairly widely which sort of discredited her in the public's eyes are made her seem perhaps a little bit more unstable. But I guess, in the midwest, especially in eighteen forty is spiritualism was very important sort of widespread trend. She had suffered a lot of loss, in her family and after Willie died, she just became sort of incapacitated with grief. And so she really turned to stay on, his as a way to try to deal with that. And so, I think she brought in some. Professionals than it was. She, I think she would hold them when they were out at soldiers home. She would hold them out on the front porch at night, there were some reports of people that would go to visit, there would be Kim to light on the front porch. But those are kind of the only details, I know about that. And I do know that Lincoln occasionally attended but he wasn't as taken with it. That was not how he coped with his grief bear rumors to that. The Reagans held silences or they snazzy Reagan. She was interested in a lot of paranormal claims in consult. The strategist. Yes. Yes. I've, I've heard that too. I don't know of any specific. Details. But I do think it was, she was very intrigued by the paranormal and was very interested in strategists, and that sort of trying to predict things and read out of sort of this realm in that way. But I don't know any of the particular details about, you know who she turned. Two or what those details don't into all this there ever been any ghost investigations of the property. Enter the probably been precluded by security, by the time that became a popular activity, but I'm just curious. Certainly not in twentieth century. I think the secret service would put a kabosh on that. But I do know that, you know, the White House depending on who's in it has certainly sort of embraced this idea the last year that President Obama was an office. They held sort of a ghost tour around Halloween, and they had first person interpreters in the White House into some of the famous people that have been reported being seen Thomas Jefferson ABRAHAM LINCOLN. They had interpreters, their first person interpreters, sort of dressed up as those people that are very convincing cells. I've seen some of them at different historic sites in different rooms, where they've been reported, and that sort of great fun because it's a, it's a fun way for the president to sort of embrace. This history in the story. Strange strange to think that is a place where it goes adventure. Welcome at all. Yeah. Exactly. Well, it's, you know, it's a it's a the president has so many serious topics on his plate. It's nice to have one that's a little bit more fun in this way. There's actually great videos of the different interpreters online. I think they're on ABC's website. And we have in the White House, historical associations, digital library. We have some photos as well. Right. Right. So we've talked a little bit about ABRAHAM LINCOLN Winston shut. She'll could you tell us if you mole sample voice stories, I believe that Harry Truman either head sightings, or has been saying, yeah. I think he saw some he definitely reported seen some ghosts on. There are some great one. So there are some famous people like John Tyler reportedly proposes to his second wife, Julia Gardiner over and over again, in the blue room, which was where they held their wedding ceremony. William Henry Harrison was the first president to die in the White House. He apparently haunts the attic, one of my favorites, Abigail Adams for those listeners who don't know this, the Adamses were actually the first people to move into the White House on November first eighteen hundred and it really wasn't quite finished yet. And so, the East Room, which is now a beautiful sort of reception space, where there's if their spoils or dancing. Or concerts. It's in that space. It was sort of shell of a room, but she didn't want to hang out belonged dri in the backyard, because it was very public. There was no gate. And so she would hang up the laundry in the eastern to dry when they were there in the house. And so two this day contemporary, staff, sometimes report smelling wet laundry. Lavender. It's really amazing Dolley Madison is probably one of the more of social ghosts in Washington, D C. She has apparently been seen overlooking the rose garden several times, but she's also been reportedly seen at the octave on house where she and James Madison lived after the White House was burned. And she's also been reportedly staying at the cuts Madison house where she lived after James Madison died rocking in the the rocking chairs on the front porch. So she was very social in life, and she's very social in-depth, as well. It's funny because when I think about ghost stories. I usually think about. 'isolation late at night in men in that kind of weird serve twilight space. That's when you run into your ghost experience, but I'm having a hard time imagining people being alone in the White House. It just seems like. Like, yeah, they're definitely some of those stories too. So there are some, some of the ghosts that are sort of unknown or unknown figures are definitely more reported at night. So various people have seen a ghost of a British soldier walking around the grounds holding a torch, which I don't know if they say that sort of dig on the White House, or, you know, I don't know. I don't know what the purpose of that would be. But I think that's pretty funny. One other have been a number of reports of a woman in a white gown that used to be seen in old conservatory that no longer exists those beautiful maiden white dress at night, president Arthur's Chester Arthur was disturbed late one night by an old haired, white man ghost. And then there's one in particular that I think is, is pretty interesting in never actually received a name, it was called the thing, and it was a ghost of about a fifteen year old boy that would that really scared the domestic staff working in Taft presidency in about nineteen eleven people reported that when they were working on a paper over our desk, or something that night, they felt like something was leaning over their shoulder to see what they were doing. And so many of the staff were talking about this Taft was getting so frustrated that he ordered his military aide who is. Major Archibald butt to tell his staff that the first the first person he heard talking about it was going to be fired because he was so tired of the staff talking about the things. So sometimes it is definitely late at night, and scary, one of the Satter tales, I think that's been told is the ghost of Anna Surat. So innocent routes mother, Mary was convicted of conspiring to assassinate Lincoln. And she went to the White House to beg Johnson for a pardon. And he refused to see her into she was the first woman that was executed by the United States government. And so people have reported that every July seventh in returns in bangs on the gates of the doors and cries to see president Johnson, or whatever president is in office, so that usually happens at night as well. And so that I think is one of the outer stories, but always about that is the assault. I gotcha. Just two minutes. TV movie about. The doctor mud that had been involved with treated booth after the assassination there. Rounded up, but whether it was really involved or not history, seems to be pushing towards wasn't but he's still served time. But I've always heard that the phrase money or your name will be mutt was tied at night their opportunity to look it up number mining once again to keeping mission into. Yeah. Never get end the place that I think I heard it was from there like the national treasure movie is, so I know that I can't take that hasn't source and was cage. I'm not sure. Exactly. So I'll have to I'll have to look that up to a to'real note. It turns out that the idiom your name will be mud actually shows up imprint twenty years before the Lincoln assassination and the claim that the idiom is related to Dr Mudd is merely folk at Amal Judy. It actually just means mud in the sense of your name will have the social standing of wet dirt, which is to say very low standing indeed in while. I'm here, the movie, I was referring to is the nineteen eighty made for TV film, the ordeal of Dr mud, which starred Dennis Weaver's, Dr mud people, my age will remember Weaver as the cowboy detective but cloud from the Sunday night mystery TV shows. Also, the film had Richard, I cert- playing secretary of war under Lincoln, Edwin Stanton and listeners probably know dice, as Dr copper, the ill-fated medical man in John, carpenter's nineteen eighty two masterpiece the thing, well I'd love to honest. Lindsey had any personal experiences yourself. I haven't, I haven't, I've Stephen Decatur house late at night, but I've been I've been there with other people. And so I've heard that most of those stories tend to be when you're alone, and while I've had the pleasure of being in the White House, it is usually accompanied by tour when I'm giving a tour and talking to a group. So I am fortunately have not experienced any of those things I think that I would I would really enjoy it. If I did. I don't know that I find, if I saw the ghost of Thomas Jefferson playing the violin in the yellow oval room, which is something people have reported, I think I would be more intrigued than frightened by that. Is your job? Is it your zoom? Is this is a nonpartisan government job? Is it? Yeah. Question, so we are nonpartisan and nonprofit is well, we're entirely privately funded. So our job is really to tell the story of the home in the people in it, less from political point of view, and more from the view of what private life looked like in the home. But also, you know, the houses role on the public stage and in diplomacy in that kind of thing, and so I was trained as a political historian. So I certainly studied the politics of the early Republican. It's my good fortune. That the guys that I write about are sort of long dead. And so no one's gonna get offended. But we've, we've really found that if we stay out of politics than we can reach a much larger audience share the history of the space, the importance of the space as the people's house. Not really just as the president's house. We have much greater ability to do that. If we can sort of stay out of the political realm. So that's our goal is best as possible. Is just religion. Now. Subject. Are there? You just mentioned, the other buildings, one of the questions, I had are you aware of other floor sort of, like, you know, these big public spaces in DC? I sell it there, there are a lot. I mean, there aren't too many unfortunately DC was very late to the historic preservation movement. So there aren't as many old homes in DC as there are in places like Philadelphia or Boston, which is really unfortunate. But in some of the older homes like the capital or the octagon house, which is just a few blocks from the White House, or the cuts Madison house, which is one of the other historic homes, on Lafayette square, that's been preserved or even the site of what is now the hay Adams hotel, there used to be two really lovely town homes. They're owned by the hay, and Adams families and Marian Hooper Adams chewing by clover. Unfortunately, after a long history of family along family history of mental illness and suffering with a long history herself, she took her own life and it really wasn't understood. Well at the time. And so, apparently her ghost does haunt the hay Adams hotel. So lots of stuff. In that neighborhood so many famous people have lived there, and so many interesting things happen, that it's not really surprising that those stories would crop up. Other any ghosts tunes in the DC area, there are. So there are some great ghost tours, around, of course, around Halloween of DC. And then there's also a really wonderful one in old town Alexandria, which is just across the river and old town has a lot of really amazing old buildings. They the Alexandria itself is actually much older than DC. It was a really important port in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. It was where George Washington would take send all of his crops in his goods to sell things to has the longest running farmers market in the history of the United States. So it has a lot of really old buildings and it has a great ghost tours as well as my ghosts. Are there any others were paranormal stories around the White House without exactly curses, or anything we're just kinda district gathering lawyers, this point? Sure. Yeah, I haven't really heard about any curses per se. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if there were because there were so many people that wanted to be in it, and weren't, you know, didn't get elected or or sort of booted out by elections of. But I you know, I do know that when Chester Arthur lost the when he left his office after his first term. His wife said, oh, will back in four years in sure enough, they were. But that's the closest thing that I've heard as a some sort of curse. Exactly. Exactly. Avia Kasese tippecanoe, the one about the presidential posts that deserve. An alleged patent of death in office of presidents, who are elected in, in used a divisible by twenty really. Chris got broken. I mean. That's I don't mean like someone might Kasa spilling the numeric padded broke. Yeah. Yeah. I think it wasn't consistent in any way. But that there have been a number of prisons who've died in office. They've being assassinated died of natural causes in assassination attempts to. Just seen Wales. Nathan arch with the exception really of Theodore Roosevelt, generally the presidents who come into office after death have a much harder time than the president's who were elected in. That's not really curse. It's just sort of a political reality, but Roosevelt, sort of, scape that because he was such a huge personality, but by and large the ones that, that come into office in those sorts of really difficult conditions. Don't fare, too. Well with the electric. You mean after the previous president? Yes. White. I would I bet they would have our time they can't get any of their planet, implemented is top. I'm sorry, that's terrible. But. So I have a question this is more about you in that is for you to be historian, writing your old book. How do you find time to do research for that kind of work is all on your own time? Or do you or do they allow you this job to pursue that serve academe sideline? Silence of his or historian, but I mean Yasser some of both there, the association is very encouraging of majoring my own scholarship and continuing to engage in academic and sort of other communities. They want me to engage with both the public and academic communities and groups for good reason, because then I can learn about other great scholarship, that's being done and, and share might work with those people and build great relationships and partnerships in work on really cool projects with those people and get get my workout and get the association's name out there as well. And but part of it is also there are lots of things. That come up in the day. So it does require certain amount of even though they definitely want me to do it requires some discipline. I know that I personally am better in the mornings. I try and carve out a little bit of time to right in the morning. I generally, if I if I have the choice I try and do more meetings, and that kind of thing in the afternoon to save my best and most productive hours for creating the really difficult contents. And then a certain amount of it is just being really realistic about the circumstances. It's a little bit harder to go to archives that are super far away. Not that, that nessa is really necessary. Always, but, you know, I'm really, really fortunate that the work that I'm doing I on George Washington's cabinet, and then with my second book is probably gonna compare atoms and Jefferson's cabinets because I'm just really intrigued by looking at the cabinet is an amazing way to look at relationships and political leadership, and how decisions were made, but itself. A really integral part of private and work life in the White House. So kind of combines all of those things, I'm really, really grateful that there are incredible papers projects for all of those figures. And so the editing teams that put together these volumes of the papers, they do incredible job and historians are so indebted to them, because it makes my work a lot easier because a lot of it is online, a lot of it is in published volumes. And so there is a certain amount of while I probably would pick these subjects anyway, because it's where my heart lies it does make it a little bit easier to do that sort of work in my office and not have to leave all the time. Cool. Now you have to do a become ghosts in the White House as well. I know I'm going to have now I'm gonna have to the dug up all this stuff. I'm gonna have to write something about it. If no one's done. I mean that's a great opportunity. I don't think that there's a book there were a couple of. American University has a great masters program in public history. So a couple of students put together sort of a proposed presidents neighborhood ghost tour. But there are some great articles on our website about ghost sightings in the White House. But I don't think anyone has actually written anything sizable about it. What the few years, a lot of historic sites have been picking up on this dark foursomes for threat, as like Gettysburg is releasing embracing it, and it interesting because I it seems like it's kind of a sacrifice because your sort of embracing the supernatural side of things in never to drum up more visitors. But also typically, the expensive losing the context of the more import sorrel Bela bits. I think that it's you're right. It's a really hard line to walk because I think the idea is, if we can meet people sort of in the middle and in what their interests are. Are than maybe we can sort of open conversation. And once you sort of talked about the initial thing that brings them in take it a little bit farther and introduce them to other types of topics. So it's the same concept. You know behind the Hamilton musical. It has gotten so many people interested in American history, and they recognize that it's art incredible art. I love it. I'm obsessed with it. It's so infectious. But most people understand that it's art. And so there are some things that gets wrong. So if we take that as a starting point of, like you, and I both love this musical. That's fantastic. Let's talk a little bit more about what happened. That's a great opportunity to bring new new listeners and new readers and new lovers of history into the field. And so, you know, it is hard to, to walk that line and be really respectful of the serious things that have happened in the serious history. But also, you know, we, we don't wanna do serious history and have no one read it because that would be. Foolish. And so if we can find a way to get people interested and introduce them to some of these more serious concepts. I think that's a win for everyone. Guideway absolutely. So I think we're trying to do that right now. We're trying to balance that whole there's a real historical site there with alumni, amazing history. And then there's these stories and, you know, I think it feels to me like any kind of place that has sort of emotional, cultural toss is going to overtime creek these kind of stories because this is what we do humans. But. I find it so interesting that I would sort of mention that I think would be really incredible. And I don't know how to really get at this other than maybe some oral histories is there were a lot of enslaved workers that were hired out. So their owners hired them out to the construction, crews to build the White House. And then there were a lot of enslaved people that worked in the White House for the first sixty or so years, and I think that there are probably some really great stories there that haven't been told. And so if anyone is looking for an interesting subject to research, or to dig into that would be a great way to dig into the history of the association were were starting to research initiative to try and bring out some of those stories in that community in really tell the full story of the White House in a way that it hasn't necessarily been done in the past. And so that is that is sort of our goal going forward. And I would encourage other people to dig into it as well. The happens through important. Yes, it is. I was online is people talked about the White House, being built by slaves and people don't know that or denial of it. You know, I didn't know that our histories complicated a lot of it's really not good. So while in Washington DC, now, the way we think of it, as, you know, really international city it was not that for a very long time and it was initially very rural. And there were a lot of farms, and then even up through the civil war. It was a relatively small city and it was very southern in its culture up until about the eighteen sixties. And so it was absolutely a slave city. There were a lot of slaves there. There were slave auctions during when the White House was actually being built, a lot of the slaves lived in huts in Lafayette square. So that's just a really important piece for people to know. And it doesn't mean you know that we can't still view, the White House's the symbol of the nation. It just important to know that there are all these different. Facets than we can study them in know, all of them, and they can all be true and be part of our history is always more complicated than we know our that thing, his, you know. You love your mom, but your mom's complicated. Are you? It's not your mom. It is. It is. It's a fascinating thing to me that the nuances of history, and documenting it textual ising all of that stuff. It's, it's, it's a it's, it's so important, I understand because if you only know what's happening right now there's sort fallacy we live right now. Everything's always been like this, now it might grandfather's one hundred two he knew people who fought the civil war. He knew people who own slave time things that I think, is amusing about, you know, the study of history as it shows us both how much has changed, especially you know the twentieth century was such a tremendous period of technological innovation. You know, medicinal innovation so many different things changed so much. And yet, some things have also stayed the same there are, there are things that definitely sort of repeat themselves maybe history, doesn't repeat itself, but it certainly has parallels. And so there are there are, you know, there are moments of anxiety. There are moments of tension, and that happens time and time again. And so it's really good to see both the change. And then the things that, you know, sort of say the same as well. Our aid it with people do these weird twisted takes on history where they're trying to give you some non historical view based on their extremely fringe interpretation. So good historical research, primary sources and sort of getting the other historian peer review that happens. I think that's all really, really important versus pop culture taken as I'm glad that your group is out there and sort of preserving these probably difficult to capture bits of information in public life. I know there's a lot of efforts to sort of massage, how people remember from this station. So I'm sure when they're cleaning out one administration to get ready for the next. There's a lot of concern around that. Yeah. We think it's really important to it. We do try in for the sake of, you know. Stain out of the political context. We stick to a couple of administrations back and sort of wait for a while to do to look at things. But that's you know you're right. It is so important, so important to have critical analysis. And one of the best skills about learning history is learning how to evaluate your evidence into to know what you're looking at, and that's just a really important skill. That analysis, I think, is something everyone can benefit from Lindsey, we've been talking mostly about ghosts today. That's the question that we like to ask all of August's is to favorite monster. So I've been giving this a lot of thought and despite this conversation, I actually don't really like scary things. So I think my favorite monster is the cookie monster because I love cookies. And I love big goods, but I'm a total wuss. Otherwise. And so I think the bat is my favorite monster had the Clements. Before. It gives something unique. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Lindsey in, and we really appreciate you talking with us about this topic in being said light hearted about it, too because of famous places. They just don't like to talk about the fight floor in these kinds of things. Oh, sure yeah, no, it's fun. And I think it's a great way to share some White House history in a light hearted way. And let people know that there's great history out there to read about it, and thank you so much for having me, -solutely lives know what your book comes out available for order. What do you know what the titles going to be sure it's the president's cabinet, George Washington, and the creation of American institution. Beautiful. I did look up. It was the kitchen cabinet was actually a derogatory term used against president Andrew Jackson described his cabinet. So it came up again with Kennedy. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Because Kennedy had sort of his official cabinet, and then he had a lot of sort of exterior advisers that he relied on. So other people, but. Stir doll. You've been listening to monster talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith. And I'm Karen Stoltze. 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Broadcast Group is that the briefings are unnecessary because reporters get opportunities to put questions to trump himself sometimes over the roar of the presidential helicopter on the White House lawn for the time being at least the trump administration has abandoned what had been in an important part of White House. Press Corps is routine dating back to the late eighteen hundreds before the official position of White House. Press Secretary even existed. That's when President William McKinley. Kenley set up a workspace in the White House for reporters and sent his first personal secretary. John Addison Porter to give the correspondence what the White House Historical Association notes. where I'm I more or less regular briefings? The White House press briefing gradually evolved into a formal event from the time of president. Herbert Hoover in the late nineteen twenties and early thirties. He's to Linden Johnson's tenure in the mid to late sixties White House press secretary's held twice a day briefing sessions in their own offices according to Martha Joint Kumar Book managing the president's message the White House Communications Operation Richard Nixon though no fan of the press still thought the briefings were important enough that he had a swimming pool torn out so that he could convert the space into a meeting room for briefings. That area is now known as the James S. Brady press briefing room in honor of president. Ronald Reagan's press secretary who was seriously wounded during the attempt. On Reagan's life in Nineteen eighty-one during Bill Clinton's time in the White House in the nineteen nineties. Press Secretary Mike. McCurry decided to allow the daily press briefings to be televised that practice continued until the trump white house began barring cameras from briefings in two thousand seventeen before discontinuing them altogether. Oh we spoke by email but former C. N. N. White House correspondent Dan Lowthian who spent five years covering the Bush and Obama administrations. He said I think the briefings were useful full for a number of reasons. First of all it was an opportunity to get the White House response or thinking on an issue on camera rather than a written statement it allowed us to gang up on them around a question they might have been trying to avoid showing them dodge. An answer is sometimes the news briefings also put statements on the record for later. Comparison finally finally every now and then there would be breaking news and as happened after Osama bin Laden was caught lots of great details even if some turned out not to be true. Lowthian Dan who went on to found little park media and to become a visiting scholar at the School of Journalism at Northeastern University recalls that the format for the briefings was fairly constant. He said there was a certain order to who got called on briefings always started with the Associated Press and ended with a thank you from the Associated Press once in a while the press secretary would mix it up a bit but it usually happened around the same time each day and questions from the first two rows came in order. We also spoke by email with Tom. Tom Jones a senior media writer for the POYNTER Institute. A journalism education organization. He said while it's true that the president and his representatives often make themselves available bowl in informal settings such as the White House lawn. It's not the same as press. Briefings the format of shouting out questions under the sound of a whirling helicopter is not conducive to asking complicated policy questions nor pertinent. Follow up questions. The frenzied free for all of these much too brief informal interviews make it much harder to get into the topics. What's that require nuance and specifics? It's so much easier for the president to brush aside or ignore questions. He doesn't like when he's walking along the White House grounds when he or one of his representatives representatives are standing behind a podium a controlled setting they must face the questions that require long substantive answers as opposed to the one or two short sentences that suffice in those informal formal settings let view essentially is shared by a group of thirteen former White House press secretary and Foreign Service and military officials who published an opinion in peace on. CNN's website in January of twenty twenty calling for trump to restore the regular briefings in their view. Having to prepare for briefings helps the government to run better letter. They wrote the sharing of information known. As official guidance among government officials and agencies helps ensure that an administration speaks with one voice telling one story however compelling it might be Lowthian also sees the apparent end the briefings as unfortunate. He said it's a valid criticism that some reporters others use briefings to showboat. However I think when covering the White House briefings aren't important function that allow the public and reporters to maintain daily connections? Sometimes it's routine information other times. An odd question from the back of the room can turn into the story of the day even so Lowthian says journalists who cover the the administration will find a way to get stories he said this new normal might be unfortunate but not paralyzing. Reporters are in the business of getting information whether it comes from the mouth of his spokesperson or sources all across the beltway. Today's episode was written by Patrick. 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"Hi, everyone. It's poppy Harlow on this week's episode of boss files. Jamie diamond he guided J P Morgan Chase through the financial crisis building based on market cap. The most valuable Bank in the world. But he's worried very worried not about the state of his Bank, but about the state of America, plus where he puts the risk of near-term recession. What keeps him up at night? How critical he thinks it is we see a US China trade deal and the politics of it all as we head toward twenty twenty. Listen to my full conversation with Jason Morgan. Chase CEO Jamie diamond on boss files. Subscribe on I tunes. Happening now, breaking news bracing for Muller, the White House congress and the country there pins and needles bracing for Robert Muller's Russia report, which could drop anytime. Trump legal team preparing to react to any eventuality west wing. What's up top house? Democrat says White House officials, including Ivanka Trump of conducted government business with personal emails. I mean claims Jared Kushner is used the what's up messaging system to communicate with foreign leaders. Just say, no, the White House refuses to comply with Gumma Democrats requests for information on President Trump's communications with Russia's Putin. Does the president have something to high in the heights? President Trump drops Twitter. Bombshell saying it's time to recognize Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights captured in nineteen sixty seven but speaking of time. Timing is the president acting now because his supporter Israel's prime minister Netanyahu is in a very tough reelection fight. I'm wolf Blitzer. You're in the situation room. This is CNN. Breaking news. Reggie news has the White House braces for the Muller reported digging in against inquiries by congressional Democrats rejected requests for documents on President Trump's communications with Russia's Vladimir Putin. But the house oversight committee chairman says he has new information that senior White House officials, including vodka Trump have used personal Email account for government business claims presidential son-in-law, Jared Kushner has used a messaging app to communicate with foreign leaders. Also, breaking the president moves to overturn a half century of US policy by saying it's time to recognize Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights captured in nineteen sixty seven the president denies its visit support is really Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu faces legal jeopardy of his own at a closely contested election in less than three weeks. I'll speak with congressman Steve counter. The judiciary committee are. Correspondents analysts are also standing by with full coverage. I let's go straight to our chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta, Jim as the White House for pairs for the Muller report. It's digging in against an player is by Democrats. That is Barack well White House officials like the rest of Washington there on the edge of their seats over here waiting for the Muller reported drop. The while those expecations are building Democrats are complaining the White House as you said is stonewalling their investigations into the president's conversations with Russia's Vladimir Putin as well as another probe into Trump, family members, Jared, Kushner and vodka Trump. As the White House is awaiting the arrival of special counsel, Robert Muller's report on a ledge Trump campaign ties to Russia. President is clearly gearing up for battle for the twenty twenty election firing up the conservative base, you have a president who is also fighting for you. I'm with you all the way tonight. The president is facing new accusations of stonewalling is House Democrats complain the White House is blocking their efforts to seek information about Mr. Trump's conversations with Russia's Vladimir Putin democratic leaders released this letter from the White House counsel, stating while we respectfully seek to accommodate appropriate oversight requests, we are unaware of any precedent. Supporting such sweeping requests house. Democrats are seeking any documents that could reveal why the president seemed so eager to accept Putin's denials of Russian interference in the twenty sixteen election, save great confidence in my intelligence people. But I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. House. Democrats are also on the hunt for personal emails and encrypted text messages, vodka Trump and Jared Kushner revealing in a statement that the attorney for the president's daughter and son-in-law confirmed that mR Kushner has been using WhatsApp as a part of his official duties in the White House and also confirmed that MS Trump continues to receive official emails on our personal Email account. And she does not Ford the emails to her official account using private messaging conduct government business with something. Mr. Trump slant, Hillary Clinton for doing in twenty sixteen Russia, if you listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing as the Muller report, the president is urging its release let it come out. Let people see it that's up to the attorney general Eva, very good attorney general's very highly respected, and we'll see what happens. One reason why growing optimism inside Trump world where advisers believed the report will conclude the president did not commit any crimes as one adviser predicted this clears the deck for us. There is a fresh sign. The president is working to shore up his support heading into the twenty twenty campaign as he lends a hand to a key political ally. The president announced the US will recognize Israel's control over the Golan Heights an area that's been hotly contested for decades tweeting after fifty two years at his time for the United States fully recognized Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights. President trump. As just made history. I called them. I thanked him on behalf of the people of Israel. The move is a gift Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an unabashed Trump supporter who's facing reelection next month. But the president denied he did it for any political reasons. No, I don't I wouldn't even know about that. I wouldn't even know about that. I have no idea here is doing okay. But the president is still facing pushback on his recent comments that he approved the funeral for the late. Senator John McCain and gave them the kind of funeral that he wanted which has president I had to approve I don't care about this. I didn't get thank you. That's okay. The site of McCain's funeral the National Cathedral released a statement contradicting the president's comments saying, quote, only a state funeral for former president vol's consultation with government officials know funeral at the cathedral requires the approval of the president or any other government official. Getting back to all these democratic investigations and attorney for vodka Trump and Jared Kushner push-back on the claims coming from House Democrats saying that they were not completely accurate that the prospect that the president's own family members were conducted government business over private communications raises questions about whether the Trump family learned any lessons from the 2016 campaign when they hammered Hillary Clinton over her Email us and wolf getting back to this Bulla report that everybody in Washington is waiting for talked to an administration official shortwhile ago. Who said that the White House does expect you get some kind of heads up as to win. The mole report is coming out. But not a heads up on the contents of that Mullah report will see how all of it plays. That will be finding out. It seems as the White House is finding out as well. We'll everybody's waiting right now. Our Jim Acosta at the White House. Thanks very much. Let's take a closer look at the President Trump's call for the United States to fully recognize Israel sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which these Railly's captured from Syria during the nineteen. Sixty seven six day war. Oren Lieberman is joining us from Jerusalem or in this declaration by the president came on Twitter. It's hugely significant overturning more than fifty years of US policy when it comes to the goal on high. So what was behind this move? What are you hearing over there? Well, there was no mention in the statements from secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will president Donald Trump's tweet for that matter that this was about helping Netanyahu win upcoming elections in just a few weeks. But that's the proverbial elephant in the room Netanyahu himself is facing a difficult reelection campaign as he seeks a fifth term in office. It has not been a good week for him in that election. He was sliding in the polls a little bit and a lot of the press focused on the corruption investigations he faces and this changes all of that. So it's difficult to believe Trump when he says he wasn't aware that the elections were coming up, especially with Pompeo's. Visit here is worth noting when Pompeo visited the western wall the holiest site, which can pray inside the old city of Jerusalem. He went with Netanyahu. That's a centrally unheard of when Trump visited the western wall. When when vice President Mike Pence visited the western wall, they did so alone out of respect for the sensitivity of the holy site between Israelis and Palestinians as you. Try to forge some sort of long-term peace not so anymore Pompeo with net. And yahoo. And it certainly looked like the Trump administration campaigning openly for Netanyahu in his next term as does Trump's recognition of Isreaeli sovereignty in the Golan Heights, which for the last fifty two years from the US and the international community has been considered occupied territory on top of all of that. Yahoo will head to APEC Washington DC for the conference of the American Jewish lobby where he'll stay at the Blair House as an official guest of the White House. He'll meet Trump that for all intents and purposes is a campaign stop for Netanyahu. And it will once again looked like Trump is campaigning for Netanyahu. Could there be more in stored in store, there could Trump give Netanyahu more before this election campaign? That's certainly a possibility as for reaction one European diplomat tells CNN Trump is essentially once again ignoring international law and UN Security Council resolutions and from that perspective. It doesn't seem there. All that surprised. We're certain wolf to hear condemnation from Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, no doubt, the bigger question will be it'll be interesting to see what's the kind of reaction. We get from the. They facto anti Iran, SUNY states Saudi Arabia, the UAE and those states do they offer symbolic condemnation. Or are they legitimately angry about this one as they try to seek that our relations with the US are or we're gonna have a lot more on this later in the situation. A very important development today. We'll stay on top of Oren Lieberman in Jerusalem. Meanwhile, a powerful congressional democrat says White House officials used personal Email and in the case of Jared Kushner, private messaging app for government business at the same time. Democrats say the White House is rejecting their requests for information on the the president's communications with Russian President, Vladimir Putin. Let's go live to our senior. Congressional correspondent Manu Raju. Start with private Email and personal messaging developments. What are you learning mono logic? Coming says that he has learned from new information that former White House officials and current white us officials have used their own personal Email emails to conduct. Government business. Namely, he's talking about Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law's senior adviser, Ivanka Trump also senior adviser and his daughter, of course, as well. As Steve Bannon, the former White House visor and key t McFarland now what he says about Jared Kushner in vodka Trump. He's of the he had a meeting with their Turney Abbe Lowell back in December. And at that meeting Abbe Lowell confirm that Jared Kushner, disgust use what's app to talk with foreign leaders conduct official business with foreign leaders. He said he asked the staff at as Abby at that meeting. Whether or not classified information have been passed along through the what's app application, by Kushner, he said, the law could not rule that out referred inquiries about that to the White House. Now, he said also Ivanka Trump in that December meeting that Lowell acknowledged that she perhaps may not have been following the presidential records act because according to Cummings lull revealed that she continues to not forward emails that are. Seved to our personal count government emails to her official account, which is required by federal law now lull push back the attorney for the Trump. And Kushner sent a letter backed coming today said he never acknowledged that Kushner talked with foreign leaders through the what's app application. He also said that after September twenty seventeen Ivanka Trump no longer. Sorry. Always forwarded emails that went to her per- personal tour official count same. They both are in compliance with federal law, but nevertheless, wolf Cummings asking a range of question to the White House tonight demanding answers, the ultimate question is will the White House respond to those questions. No word yet. The White House says it is reviewing this letter. Democrats say the White House is also stalling on their requests for information about the president's often secretive communications with Russia's President Putin. What are you hearing on that the White House today rejected the demand from three powerful democratic chairman to provide new information about any? Formation about those Trump put meetings. They wanted to have transcribed interviews with translators. They wanted notes that may have made reveal exactly what happened and they wanted the White House to disclose. But the president took any action to conceal those notes to destroy those notes and what actually happened those interactions with Putin. Well, today pets baloney, the White House counsel sent a letter to these democratic chairman and said they would not give that information over to congress. Specifically, simple only says the president must be free to engage in discussion with foreign leaders without fear that those communications will be disclosed in used as fodder for partisan political purposes in foreign leaders must be assured of this as well. And appears the White House maybe gearing up to fight this. If the Democrats plied to issue subpoenas, simple Oni sites letter will he believes that they're on firm legal ground rejecting any efforts by congress in the White House as words interfere with efforts by the White House to conduct foreign policy. Democrats have yet to respond to this. But expect potential subpoenas. And yet another ratcheting up the fight between the White House and House Democrats over their investigations here on Capitol Hill. Not only continues it intensifies motto Rajoub up on Capitol Hill. Thank you as the White House braces for the Muller reports drop the question everyone wants to know what happens next. Let's bring in our senior Justice correspondent Evan Perez. Evan when Muller is finished with his investigation. How do you expect all of this to unfold? Well, we'll we expect that once the report is delivered to the attorney general that Bill bar, the attorney general will notify congress, especially the judiciary committee, which oversees the Justice department that they have received a report that essentially the Muller investigation is over it is closed, and then there will be a period during which he will be reviewing those findings before he will formally send what will be essentially the bar report, which was essentially his summary of what he sees in the Muller findings what he thinks is releasable as a result of his own review of the Muller. Finding. Been covering the Muller investigation for what two years almost on a daily sometimes hourly basis. There's still some unanswered questions. What are you in -ticipant? Well, well, I think given the fact that this has gone on for six hundred seventy four days now, I think there's some still big over arching questions, including the question of Russian collusion, and whether or not there was any obstruction. We want to know whether Muller found any proof of Russian collusion or conspiracy by people either close to the president the president self to collude with the Russians with regard to the twenty sixteen election. That's the big overarching question another question, obviously that we expect Bill bars gonna have to answer to congress is whether or not Muller asked to subpoena, the president we know that the president never gave a sit down interview with Muller. The question is did Muller. Ask for a subpoena to subpoena the president and what happened to that? That's going to be a big question. Again, Bill Maher is required to tell congress. If there was any disagreements with Muller when he rejected. Any requests from Bob Muller? And of course, the final the final part of this is how detailed is this report that makes it more difficult for Bill bar and his report to congress more detail in this report, the more difficult it is for Bill bar, and what he produces to critically important questions, we're bracing for the release and the word that the investigation has been completed. Evan for us. Thank you very much. Joining us now democratic congressman Steve Cohen of Tennessee's a member of the judiciary committee contra thanks so much for joining us, and I quickly want to get to the breaking news. According to the chairman of the house oversight committee Elijah Cummings senior White House officials use personal emails to conduct official government business, the chairman alleges Jared Kushner particular use the private messaging app to communicate with foreign leaders. So what concerns does all that raise for you? Well, in one of the first things Jared Kushner, did when he came into the White House was to try to see if they couldn't get a back channel between the White House and Russia, there is communications that this administration are Jared Kushner, particularly and he was he's Trump's guy didn't want the American public to be able to access or even the the CIA and the security departments to be able to access between the White House and Russia now you see they're using their private communications to communicate. With people does issue about Kushner and and vodka not being cleared for security clearances through the proper channels and having the president to get involved to give them the security clearances, and they still don't have the top security clearance because of concerns at the CIA and those concerns probably related to private business that they could have with countries that were involved Israel in the Middle East. The concern obviously is the Jimmy breslin is writing this administration's handbook. It's the gang that couldn't shoot straight. They can't get in their minds. What the law is and comply with it. They want to do everything off channel away from the public's eye. And it makes you wonder what are they hiding? Just like the White House not releasing anything about the Putin Trump meetings, everything with Russia is quiet in secret. And it raises lots of issue on those meetings. The White House rejected democratic requests for documents concerning President Trump's communications with Putin. Do you agree with your democratic colleagues? The congress needs to see these documents. Unquestionably? We do every individual elected to congress takes an oath to uphold the constitution and protect the United States against enemies. Foreign and domestic one of our duties and oversight is to see to it that our foreign policy is done for the protection of our country. And for the betterment of the American society, we can't have anybody using foreign policy for their personal benefits. And and there's with this administration. There's lots of issues that have been raised concerning monuments clause concerning involved with Russia concerning business practices at six six six Fifth Avenue and who financed that in Georgia bike and who finance Trump to where it's a legitimate concern of the congress to look into. If there is an influence this administration. Let me to see what would they talked about? Let's talk about the White House response. The White House in a formal letter to congress legal counsel says that US constitution assigns responsibility for dealing with foreign affairs to the president. And that they're all presidents over the years. Have a right. Have a right to keep their communications with foreign leaders, confidential. So why should lawmakers have the right to review these communications between the president and Putin? I don't know that they have a right to keep them confidential from the foreign foreign affairs committee in the house, and or the intelligence committee, and I think that subpoenas are issued let a court decide that, but particular in these circumstances where they've tried to hide so much from the American public and their communications with Russia, and here's a meeting, and you wanna know did they discuss the Trump Tower in Moscow did they discuss lifting. Sanctions did they discuss are, you know, different different situations in the Baltic and maybe assurances that we wouldn't invoke article five NATO if they went into the Balkans or the Baltic both of which are possible Russian sites of of aggression or further incursions into Ukraine. This is something the American people have a trusted the government officials with it's part of Congress's oversight responsibilities and for him to say that he won't do it. Because he thinks we could use it for partisan political gain. He sees. Everything in black and white. He doesn't see things in terms of governmental oversight and governmental practices. And that's what this is. Because the last two years he's had that the Republicans act as if they were agent of the White House both argued issue committee and the committee David newness ran over there whenever they asked him to. But it's a new game in town, the special counsel, Robert Muller's report could be delivered to the new attorney general at any moment. Do you trust the Bill bar? The attorney general will be as he testified during his confirmation hearings as transparent as possible within Justice department guidelines. Well as possible leave Cima lot of leeway for interpretation. No, I don't feel comfortable about it. I don't think Donald Trump would have made him an appointed him attorney general if he thought that would be any problem after Jeff Sessions refused to recuse himself and be his his attorney. He wanted to find something he said, it's his ROY Cohn, whereas his ROY Cohn his attorney general he wants his guy in there to take care of him. And to be the attorney general's if he was the personal attorney for the president and not the attorney for the United States of America. So I think he probably went to the federal society or somebody said get me a guy and they got Bill bar. I have to think that the fix is in. That's why the House Republicans voted for the resolution we had last week to have the report made public. That's why Trump is saying he wants to see if public because he knows bars not gonna make much of report, and it's going to be flavored toward Trump, and he has no problem with that being released, but the the full Muller Muller gives to bar should be seen by the congress. And Robert Muller should be required to testify before that you district committee intelligence committees and others to about what he has found the American public paid for that report. The American public deserves to see those reports find out fairly soon whether any of that is going to happen congressman Steve contacts for joining us. You're welcome. All right up next. Breaking news. The White House is bracing for Muller's report, which could be wrapped up and delivered anytime. Now, how is the Trump legal team preparing to respond and a key democrat says he Vonk Trump is among White House officials who use personal Email for government business while Jared Kushner as private messaging to communicate with foreign leaders. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go or hiring is simple fast. And smart that place is recruiter with powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. 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Well, down particularly since the president has spent the last couple years years railing about Hillary Clinton and her private Email server. Now, the white has we'll say there wasn't a private server, but you shouldn't be using private emails for government business. I think the problem with Jared Kushner is particular because they're charging that he was using what's up, and maybe some encrypted devices that were not so encrypted to commune. Cate with foreign leaders, and that shouldn't be done. Now. His attorney Abbe Lowell is saying whenever he spoke with somebody out of the country took a screen shot of it. And then transferred it to his regular Email. But there is some disagreement about whether he was talking to foreign leaders or just people he knows overseas. And that's what they want to invest, but it's a very weird because despite the irony they used to attack Hillary Clinton all the time for her private Email server. There are serious national security risks as well. You're communicating with a foreign leader over what's app. That's that's the problem. Look, there's a reason that the attacks on Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump during the twenty sixteen campaign had some residents because she was secretary of state, and then we're concerns about about potential security breaches that is not changed. And in fact, we know that Russia hacked into the DNC and jumping. Z males and release them via WikiLeaks. So we know that this stuff happens. This is not a theoretical conversation that we know that this is happening. We suspect other foreign powers are doing the same. Given the water under the bridge as you mentioned with this issue. It's of some combination of negligence in whistling past your own political graveyard to do this the one thing you would think that the Trump administration on day one. They would say look you may have missed the campaign. We just ran, but it was a lot focused on this issue. So let's not repeat this mistake. I don't forget Jared. Kushner was the person who is establishing the so called back challenge to to the Russians was he using what's app for those communications. And and we don't know we don't know the answer to that. And his his lawyer says no the question is was classified information used on these applications and remember Michael Cohen, the president's former lawyer. Yeah, he was busted in park for using WhatsApp that was discovered that could monitor what was going on over what's up, you know, beyond. We now learn that the house oversight committee has spent the last two years. Investigating the private use of the official private use of of Email for official government business going back to March of twenty seventeen. That's what the Republicans still were the majority and control the committee Elijah Cummings. The committee chairman now says the White House's engaged in an unprecedented level of stonewalling delay and obstruction suggesting there's a pattern here a serious pattern of concern. I think Elijah Cummings setting the groundwork. And I think we thought in display even with his op Ed in the Washington Post this morning laying out what he has done this far the steps that they have taken as a committee said he sent twelve letters to the White House. The White House has not sent over any information at all as you said he accused them of stonewalling. And this could be viewed as his way of saying here's everything we've done thus far step-by-step anticipation that of course, the Republicans and the White House may turn turn accused the committee and Elijah. Coming of Gresley attacking or going after or being too inquisitive as the president calls it harassment. So I think he's just setting the groundwork for here's how things typically work. Here's what I've done the protocol. I followed there not complying power, Laura does the Elijah Cummings. The committee chairman have to take on the White House if they continue to refuse to provide these documents. Well, he has an enormous amount of power because he has the peanut and power. And of course, the nature of his actual committee has extensive authority to investigate any number of things weighing things in federal government. That's an enormous umbrella of tasks the actually has the problem is if you're only as good as your subpoena power, how good are you? If it's ignored. Well, I do the as a constitutional authority to investigate a number of things will bode very well in a litigation involving how and to what extent the president could actually refute the subpoenas, ignore them. But his power is really kind of absolute. When it comes to people who could not potentially assert the executive privilege people who would not have that legal hurdle to overcome. And there is an overlap between what they're accusing Yvonna and Jared Kushner of doing it this point in time because remember he is fighting for information in through documents and evidence in one thing, you cannot have if you don't have it is if you don't have it part of the presidential or the formal government record. You cannot ask for you can actually get it. So they don't include or screen shot or had this information forwarded from their personal accounts to their official government accounts. Will guess what it goes into a century the third? No one can see it again. That's why it's critical to have captured under the presidential records act, and why logic comings and his committee's power is so important interest. Forget this isn't this isn't just about protocol. This is about national security. It had been reported over the past couple of years now that our intelligence agencies knew of allies in adversaries who were Gresley trying to influence, Jeff. Arid any vodka particularly Jared in his role in the Middle East, and and and peacemaking in Israel. So the fact that now he may have been using compromise Email would heightened some of the concerns that the intelligence agencies initially had. Gloria the White House has also rejecting separate requests from three house committee, chairman to review the president's communications with let Putin. Here's the White House response to White House counsel writes this to congress quote while we respectfully seek to accommodate appropriate oversight request. We are unaware of any precedent. Supporting such sweeping requests, rather the supreme court and administrations of both parties have consistently recognized that the conduct of foreign affairs is a matter that the constitution assigns exclusively to the president. So if that's going to be the position what's the next step? These three committee chairman the question is could use the power of subpoena. But, but let's let's provide the context here. This is a president who met with Ladimir Putin and wanted to whip up the nose of the of the translators who didn't have anybody else in the room with him when he was talking to Putin. This is also a White House who does not. Give regular readouts of the president's conversations with foreign leaders. They kind of cherry pick which readouts they wanna give. So we don't know which foreign leaders he's talking to and when and what they generally talked about. I mean, these these readouts are not candid, but but at least they become part of the official record when historians go back. It is a matter of national security is beyond says. But when historians go back, and they try and reconstruct reconstruct, for example, Trump's relationship with Ladimir Putin or foreign policy during the Trump administration. They may not have a lot to go on and national security folks won't have a lot to go on. They won't be able to see any hard precedent. They're going to have to take people's words for what went on rather than translators, transcribers, whatever it is. So while you have to respect the right of the president to have candid conversations. There should always be somebody else in the room and just. One more thing glory as she was talking. I was thinking this remember that after the meeting between Putin and Trump were just translators. And we later learned he wanted to get rid of the translator notes, they've income out and Donald Trump says famously slash infamously. Well, we're both to blame in this whole hacking situation. I mean in front of ladder couldn't blend or Putin. Could not have been happier. Basically saying it's a both sides thing. So the precursor to that public event was this private conversation, which I think makes it even more critical and more frustrating that we're not going to. We may never learn what actually happened there. What's the legal precedent, Laura? You're our legal analyst. Well, you know, they're being in January when they say there really is no precedent for this. I'm assuming that there affirmed to other different administrations democratic and Republican trying to hold out information regarding foreign diplomacy involves of course, with the Bush and the Obama administration's dip respect to one Tana mo- detainees. Repatriation, etc. However, be court have clearly said that the executive privilege. I'm sure he's going to use as foundation is actually qualified. It's not absolute for the president of the United States say that listen because I am married because I'm the person having a communication that the privilege can never go away. The courts have been quite clear in the notion of it has to be balanced against the compelling interest of the president to have those candid conversations naturally the compelling interest of other foreign administrations to say we can trust that will be able to have candid conversations with you against what congress and the public's right to know is and they're at ways that fulcrum and that balancing test weighs and favor of congress in this respect, given the things that both Chris and glory of laid out about the notions. I've while you've got the president having these conversations got references to the NATO alliance. You have the decision not to have anyone else in the room when you should have had others there as well. These things weigh in favor of having a more compelling reason to have it disclosed. Well, and also the purpose of readout is not to punish the president. But to protect the president. I mean, you have a third party in there for that specific reason what we saw following the president's meeting with Latimer. Putin in Helsinki is Putin himself would give subsequent emails piecemeal talk about some of the things that he and the president. He said spoke about in Helsinki, which raise eyebrows to everywhere, everyone here in the US because it was the first time we hear about it and it involved everything from Ukraine to Syria. And that's exactly the reason why you want to have documentation in third party to witness exactly what took place in certain meetings. Everybody's waiting for the Muller report to be handed over to the Torney. General. What are you hearing what's going on behind the scenes at the white? The White House is preparing special counsel. Emmett flood seems to be in charge of the operating team that is going to come up with a response and in talking to people today, it's it's interesting because they believe that perhaps are maybe it's that they hope that the mullahs report won't be so bad for the president because he can't be indicted after all and that, you know, in the end the president could use it as a cuddle in his twenty twenty campaign. They don't know. But that's one of the options. I was told they're happy. They're you know, they're happy to think about it that one out soon. So we'll just have to wait and see everybody. Stick around. There's more news. We're following including the United States denial. US denies a Russia claim. It's jets chased away. A beef fifty two bomber as the top US. General sounds warning about Russia's growing military through. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm joke in soon. We're the producers behind HSEN television documentary series unmasking killer. Join us as we explored the identification capture and arrest of Joseph James, the Angelo the alleged Golden State killer in a special ten part podcast series unmasking killer, all new episodes premiering Tuesday. February twelve subscribed today at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. We're getting a sobering new update on the threat posed by Vladimir Putin's military build up. Our Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr spoke with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff earlier in the day, Barbara what did he tell you? Well, we'll tonight if a number one channel in the US military increasingly concerned about both Russian and Chinese military buildups. A USB fifty two bomber caught on a Russian aircraft camera over the Baltic Sea. Muskau claims a Russian fighter jet forced the Americans tobacco off something adamantly denied by the US air force, which said the Russian aircraft did not chase. The beef fifty two away. It's part of the new front line between Moscow and Washington over superpower dominance. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff says Russia is working on new missiles ships and aircraft aimed at making a partner for the US to defend Europe a plan. He says that is so far succeeding. There's absolutely no question that it'd be more difficult for us to project power in Europe today. General Dunford says that US can still defend Europe. And the Pentagon is funding new US weapons to push back. But he has an unusually blunt warning about Russian President, Vladimir Putin. We're talking about Putin putting together information operations cyber operations economic coercion political influence unconventional military operations to advances of Dunford also pinning the two thousand sixteen election interference on Putin. Something President Trump has not done even as the US intelligence community believes it Putin is doing things. He did things and you states in the context of two thousand sixteen elections to try to undermine democracy. I make an assumption. That is very little that Russia does that Putin is not aware of and on that China front Dunford expressive, very deep concern about American high tech companies doing business in China that their technology would be directed towards the Chinese military has singled out again Google for his concerns about this. And we're now learning that general Dunford next week here in Washington plans to me with top Google excecutives at their request to discuss his concerns about China, very serious concerns. Indeed, Barbara Starr facts very much coming up the billionaire owner of the New England Patriots rejects a plea deal in a prostitution case Willie show up for his team Super Bowl celebration at the White House. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft fresh off another Super Bowl win is spurning. A plea deal after being charged with soliciting prostitution at a Florida massage. Parlor, Brian Todd has been looking into this for us, Brian. What are you learning? Well, if the patriots owner is being defiant tonight, not only rejecting that plea deal offer, but also fighting to keep some potentially damaging video of him from being released publicly as if that weren't enough crafts close friend, the president of the United States is becoming more involved in this inflammatory case. The billionaire owner of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots tonight being as brash in his clash with the law as his team is clashing with opponents on the field. Robert Kraft, a pow of President Trump's is accused of soliciting prostitutes at this day spa in Jupiter, Florida and potentially embarrassing Trump in the process, a source tells C N N, the seventy seven year old craft is rejecting a plea deal from state prosecutors who'd offered to drop the charges in exchange for paying fines for doing community service and admitting that Kraft would have been found guilty. If he went to trial the plea deal also reportedly called for craft to take an S T D test craft has pleaded not guilty and denies any wrongdoing. He's worried about the embarrassment that would be caused by him in meeting wrongdoing. And he's got a lot of money and a lot of time to try to hire the best lawyers possible in the fight this craft his legal team are also tonight fighting in court to stop the public release of surveillance video that allegedly shows craft engaging in sex acts on two occasions at the orchids of Asia day spot legal analysts say the video would be a crucial piece of evidence against craft. If he. Goes to trial. But that he could still beat the charges. If there's no audio where he can be heard agreeing to a transaction. The defense for Mr. craft has a that he was not paying for that service. Bob Kraft, he's becoming a pretty famous guy for winning out. They of that tonight. President Trump is being drawn further into the craft saga in an interview with NBC Cindy young the former owner of that spa and a frequent guest of Trump's including at mar-a-lago fired back at Democrats who want to investigate whether she tried to sell Chinese clients access to the president of Marquette. I love them. I love American. I love a parson thin. So I don't do anything wrong. The president. Meanwhile, reportedly has told aides he still wants craft to come to the White House with the patriots players for a celebration of their Super Bowl win. That's according to politico. It would set up an awkward photo op that would likely make tabloid headlines. It wouldn't be unusual. Trump has repeatedly stood by his friends and political allies who've been accused of sexual wrongdoing from former Senate candidate ROY Moore to former Fox News channel host billow Ryland. I don't think they would do anything Riley and more both denied wrongdoing. But this case could be worse for Trump because while craft hasn't been accused of human trafficking. He is in the middle of a case where it is being investigated could the optics of standing next to craft hurt the president, especially on an issue. Mr. Trump has championed. I don't think they do because the people that going to hurt the president with people who aren't going to vote for him. He looks at this incentive. What do I do do I gain to three votes from disinvite him? But what I do is, I reaffirmed my base when I stand by my friends now would Robert Kraft go to the White House. If Trump asked him we reached out to craft and the patriots about that. And we did not hear back despite their friendship Kraft did class with Trump two years ago when the president attacked NFL players over there protest during the national anthem, but recently Robert Kraft has praised Mr. Trump during a media interview wolf, all right, Brian. Thanks very much. We'll watch it together with you coming up breaking news as the white. Braces for the Muller reports digging in against the queries by congressional Democrats rejected a request for documents on the president's communications with Russia's Vladimir Putin.
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"This is CNN breaking news. Welcome to our viewers here in the United States and around the world. I'm Wolf Blitzer in the situation room. And we're following breaking news we're standing by for a White House briefing on the corona virus pandemic. We'll have live coverage also just a little while ago. President trump invoked the defense production act for the first time requiring General Motors to produce more ventilators to deal with the increasing number of hospitalizations the US now leads. The world of the number of cases close to one hundred thousand more than fifteen hundred deaths worldwide. There are more than five hundred. Eighty six thousand cases about one hundred fifty countries and almost twenty seven thousand deaths also. Tonight there's growing concern about emerging outbreaks in major American cities including Detroit New Orleans Chicago Miami Dallas Atlanta and Philadelphia. Our national correspondent. Erica Hill begins our coverage showers. She's in New York Korisa. Erica first of all California is also now reporting a very significant number of new cases. Yeah a sharp surge wolf up twenty six percent in just twenty four hours. California now has thirty eight hundred one cases they have had seventy eight deaths and I should point out as all of these numbers are coming in. We're also waiting to hear from Bill. Blasios here in New York City and we are expecting an update on the numbers here in the city behind me. Elmhurst hospital has been dealing with this They are strapped in in the last forty eight hours. There have been seventeen deaths at as we know what is happening. New York is a warning call for what could be coming across the country as Americans across the country grow restless. Those on the front lines are increasingly. Clear stay home if you want to stay out of the Er we know that we are at the epicenter. We are one of. We're at the tip of the sphere here and to use a Gulf south analogy. We our concern. Is that at this point? We are perhaps just the outer bands of a category five hurricane and this may get worse before it gets better with hospitals overwhelmed and supplies running short. Michigan's Henry Ford Health System is offering a sober warning patients. Who have the best chance of getting better our our first priority a spokesman telling CNN while it is quote not inactive policy? It is part of Emergency Response Planning. What they put out was honest. Those who haven't formally put it out every major hospital system in New York and Detroit and Chicago and Seattle are having exactly the same conversations internally Detroit now one of several new hotspots cases in the US top ninety five thousand at hospitals plea for help. We don't have enough mass. We don't have enough Jones. We need more from the federal government and others Chicago and New Orleans also battling surge as Atlanta braces in the little information that receives at the ICU. You already around ninety sat at all that we will exceed our capacity by macer in an effort to stop the spread one North Carolina County. Is Banning all visitors and non resident property owners sending the unprecedented public health threat posed by cove? Nineteen as Massachusetts tells all travelers entering the state to self quarantine for fourteen days drastic measures for greater good. We're entering to a tough period. That if we do it right will only have to do it once for six to ten weeks but we have to do it. It has to be the whole country arriving in Los Angeles Friday. The Navy hospital ship mercy on the opposite coast New York announcing the status hoping to add additional overflow hospital site for an expected peak. That is still weeks away. We're looking at about twenty one days for a possible apex so we want to do everything we can to be ready for that increased capacity. That could hit us a reminder that this battle is far from over we are also learning today about four deaths of of. We're told they're older passengers on board a Holland. America cruise ship the Van dam which is currently off Panama on Sunday. A couple of passengers reported flu like symptoms on that ship there about twelve hundred passengers almost six hundred crew. We're told that yesterday a number of people were tested for the corona virus to were positive but again today Wolf. We're learning for older. Guests have died on board that ship cruise line did not offer a cause of death. All very very sad. Thanks Obama Erica Hill in New York. Let's go to the White House right now. Our chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta joining us Jim. After days of uncertainty the president is now actually invoked. What's called the defense production. Act that's right. We'll definitely some action but still some confusion in Washington on the corona virus. President trump has signed the stimulus bill into law and invoked the defense production. Act as you said what are General Motors to produce a badly needed hospital ventilators but we are still waiting for clarity from the White House on. How exactly the administration plans start reopening parts of the US while the nation is still battling this pandemic with the number of dead in the US growing rapidly from the corona virus. Top trump administration officials are sounding like they're throwing cold water on the president's goal to reopen the US by Easter. Well the president to express really an aspirational goal. The president said he would love to see it around Easter. But but whenever that day is that we can responsibly. Begin to open up portions of the country but let me be very clear. There's going to be areas of the country where we need to continue to lean into mitigation efforts during CNN. Townhall CORONA virus taskforce. Dr Anthony found you pointing to the rising number of cases arguing. That's no time to slam the brakes on social distancing. That's when you gotTA hunkered. Down nail down mitigate mitigate mitigate the president has been all over the place on the need for medical supplies tweeting he wants to see. Top automakers producing hospital ventilators. General Motors must immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown Plant Ohio or some other plan and start making ventilators now for going on layers fast. President tweeted invoked P invoke P. Means Defense Production Act the law that gives them the power to force companies to manufacturer sorely needed virus fighting equipment but on Fox News. The President Question New York Governor Andrew Cuomo plea for tens of thousands of ventilators for his State. I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas. They're just bigger than they are going to be. I don't believe you need forty thousand or thirty thousand ventilators. You ought to major hospital. Sometimes they'll have to ventilators letters now all of a sudden they're saying can we ordered thirty thousand ventilators Cuomo explained. He's expecting his states. Medical emergency will get much worse. I hope we don't need thirty thousand ventilators. I hope some natural weather change happens overnight and kills the virus globally. That's what I hope. That's my hope. That's my emotion. That's my thought. The numbers say you may need thirty thousand president. Even attack Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Who's battling her own corona virus hotspot? We've had a big problem with The a woman governor from you know who? I'm talking about from Michigan I WANNA thank Republicans and Democrats for coming together setting aside their differences and America. First President signed a two trillion dollar stimulus. Bill passed overwhelmingly by Democrats and Republicans in both houses. No bill is perfect but we want to make sure that at least comes near part of the way to being sufficient. I object but they had to use parliamentary procedures to bypass stunt pulled by GOP. Congressman Thomas Massie who force lawmakers to return to Washington for possible formal vote putting the members and their families at risk President Slann Massey as a third rate grand stander who just wants the publicity former secretary of State John Kerry topped tweeting Breaking News Congressman. Massias tested positive. For being an a-hole. He must be quarantined to prevent the spread of his massive stupidity. Finally something the president and I can agree on Massey was asked about his newfound infamy tackling grandstader. I'm at least second grade and the White House is expected to sort out. Its plans for the nation social distancing guidelines over the weekend but the president's letter to the nation's governors yesterday hinting those measures may be relaxed has already caused confusion on the krona. Virus Taskforce One source close to the Task Force. Told me earlier today. The letter is just quote hanging out there and getting back to the president signing that stimulus bill just a short while ago. We can show you a photo of that onscreen. This is from the White House. Two things to point out in this photograph Wolf. One is the officials in the room including the president are not practicing social distancing the other very important thing to point out very critical here according to the White House no Democrats were invited to the signing wolf in our like this where the president has said of days at the country needs to come together. You could not see that in that photo. That was awful decision. You would have thought the president would have wanted to use this opportunity to show some bipartisan support on behalf of the American people. I've they explain. Why no Democrats the speaker the minority leader in the Senate by. They weren't invited. They have not wolf in our colleague on Capitol Hill. Maharaja says the speaker was not invited as we know they have not. The president and a speaker have not spoken for months on a personal level. So obviously there isn't bipartisanship in the air when it comes to that relationship but obviously this was an opportunity where the president could've tried to turn over a new leaf and invite some Democrats over to the Oval Office or something as big and momentous a this and it just seems to be an opportunity. Missed certainly was a serious opportunity. Missed on behalf of the American people all right. Jim Acosta thank you very much. Let's get some more on all of this right now. The Michigan Governors joining US Gretchen. Whitmer governor I know you're incredibly busy but thank you so much for joining us. Spending a few moments with us The president is now using his powers as president under what's called the Defense Production Act to direct General Motors to begin producing ventilators. General Motors largely in in your beautiful state. Will those vent? Those ventilators get to hospitals in Michigan and elsewhere soon enough to save lives. Well we certainly hope so. General Motors is a quintessential American company. That has contributed to building the middle class in our country helped make Michigan and the United States the arsenal of democracy to win World War. Two the leadership at General Motors is top notch. And I think that they're going to rise to this challenge. It won't happen overnight though switching over from building cars to building something complicated as ventilators going to take awhile and we don't have a Lotta time to waste and that's why I'm glad to see this action. I would love to see more of this. More of the strategic Powers of the of the president be used nationally. We need a national strategy. This patchwork of laws based on who the governors are really isn't the best strategy going forward and I think we all need to lock arms and not fight one another but fight co Ed nineteen point. You're making governor the president as you. Well know he a- personally attacked you on Fox News last night. He said he was having in his words. A big problem with That young woman governor any referred to young woman governor being from Michigan so far he's refused to act on your request for a major disaster declaration. Are Your political differences? You're a democrat. He's a Republican preventing you from getting the badly needed assistance. That will help a lot of people in Michigan. I can tell you this. Michigan like states across the country Republican and Democratic Lead. We are struggling to get the PPI that we need. We are struggling to make sure that our nurses and doctors on the frontline have the n ninety five masks that are so precious. We've gotten a few of our shipments out of the strategic The National Stockpile. But the fact of the matter is the latest. One had zero of these masks. And that's what is so crucial right now. I'm not going to fight with anybody. I'm going to fight for the people of Michigan to fight to make sure that we've got what we need to combat cove in Nineteen. It's spreading so quickly and our state up eight hundred won cases today thirty. Two more people passed away in the last twenty four hours. We need help. We need leadership and we need to put political differences aside and focus on the real enemy. And that's the virus. I know you haven't heard anything directly from the president but have you heard anything from the White House from other officials there about your request. Well I know that they've received it and I have talked to the vice president Mike Pence a number of times. When I'm grateful for that opportunity we have been working diligently with Army Corps of Engineers. Making sure that we're working with a FEMA They have a seat in our state. Emergency Operation Center. We're just doing everything we can to pull out all the stops and I know Mike DeWine. Ohio and governors across the country are doing the same. We need to make sure that we have got the materials. We need to protect people. I know you told the local Michigan radio station this morning. That medical supply vendors are being told in your words not to send stuff to Michigan not to send stuff to Michigan. What did you mean by that? Well we've entered into a number of contracts and as we are getting closer to the date when shipments are supposed to come in there getting cancelled or they're getting delayed and we've been told that the Fed they're going first to the federal government and I know Michigan's not alone. I saw governor Charlie Baker Republican from Massachusetts say essentially the same thing same with mayor. Garcetti out in Los Angeles. This is an issue that we are confronting as a nation where we are bidding against one another where we are struggling to grab every p. p. e. that we can get our hands on this is part of why. I'm hopeful that. In addition to the Defense Protection Act our production act that we have adopted a national strategy. And really focus on ramping up especially where we see the growth so fast like in Detroit and Oakland County. Wayne County here in Michigan Governor Whitman. Good luck to you. Good luck to everybody in Michigan. I know these to be difficult days that it's about to get even more difficult. We appreciate your joining us. Thank you and to our viewers stay with US later tonight for CNN. Democratic presidential town hall. Joe Biden joins Anderson Cooper to take your questions about the corona virus pandemic that starts at eight. Pm EASTERN ONLY HERE ON CNN N. N. And stay with us here in the situation room above live coverage of the White House Corona Virus Taskforce Rethink as soon as it begins also add dire warnings coming in from doctors and medical workers at hospitals. The chronic lack of protective gear puts their lives in grave danger. There's never been a better time to stock up on Omaha steaks. They'll deliver the world's best steaks and a huge variety of family favorites without leaving home Omaha. Steaks is the perfect solution for stocking up when you're staying home. Stocks from Omaha steaks have a huge variety steaks chicken pork burgers. 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The same time the World Health Organization is now warning about what it calls the urge threat posed by the CRONICA global shortage of protective gear for medical worker. Cnn's Drew Griffin has been looking into the severe shortage here in the United States. What does proper protective gear look like Chicago anesthesiologist? Corey deburghgraeve sent this video. Double gloves and ninety five Mask Faye Shield all as he demonstrates needed to protect healthcare workers like himself whose contact well intimating corona virus. Patients is near cheek-to-cheek. So head was this close to the patients. They're coughing or have any sputum. That's all right to my face. It is a far cry from this. A mask stapled together to last till the end of his shift nurses in upstate. New York being told they get one surgical mask for five days because of shortages and medical personnel. Getting sick on the front lines. We have about forty one people in our hospital who have tested positive for the corona virus this week in One New York City Hospital and Assistant Nurse Manager Kiosk. Kelly who suffered from asthma died. His sister said the last time she heard from him was Wednesday but he texts and said that he was an ICU. He had the crown of Iris. T- said I can't talk because I choke He's having difficulty breathing. He said I'm going to be okay. Many medical workers are fighting this battle without the thinnest level of protection the facemask the plastic facial the flimsiest of plastic gowns that could mean the difference between treating the infected and becoming one of them. Kelly Cabrera and emergency nurse in the Bronx New York. So she gets one set of gear to last the day masks being reused for five days. It's like we're we're going into war with no protection. We know how this is transmitted. We we know that this is incredibly contagious. And where we're seeing it. Where being exposed over and over again. It is criminal. This is absolutely criminal. Supplies across the country are dwindling in Arizona. I can tell you my biggest concern right. Now is an emergency room. Physician is the lack of P P in Michigan now got doctors and nurses on the frontlines. Who are using one mask for their entire ships? The biggest question. We're hearing where is it? Where are the strategic stockpiles? The president and his administration talk about. We've got tremendous amounts of equipment coming in only twelve percent of healthcare facility. Say they've received supplies from the federal government. According to this recent survey of eleven hundred healthcare providers nearly half do not have enough face shields and nearly one third are almost out or completely out of masks. Desperate medical workers. Don't know where to turn. We just feel like we've been abandoned. Where being told to do things that I really dangerous wolf because of shortages in this proper protective equipment. They're being asked to do what they say would have gotten them fired just a month ago they want us to tell you the stories because of the briefing. Europe OUT HERE. They say there is a shortage all across the country. No matter what you're being told they need help. They certainly do drew griffin very excellent report. Thank you very much joining us on the phone right now is New York Democratic Congresswoman Grace Meng Congresswoman. Thanks so much for joining us. Elmhurst hospital is your district in Queens. And they've been overwhelmed by patients. We've been seeing the video. I want to read a tweet You put out this afternoon. You say this and I'll read it directly a nurse at my Elmhurst hospital who I don't know just called me crying. She said they need vents ventilators but more so D- doctors and also doctors who were ICU. Intensive Care Unit trained. She told me they cry every day. Because they know they're going to die. They're begging please congresswoman. Tell our viewers what it felt like to be on the receiving end of such an emotional plea. Well thank you for having me and thank you for covering this important issue. Elmhurst is the epicenter of what is happening here in New York and new. York is the epicenter of crisis around the country. This is a warning to the rest of the country. If we don't do things right I got this call at about the same time that we were on. And near the four of the house. debating. This bill getting ready to vote on this bill and I couldn't help but feel so helpless She's not the first person who's reached out to me. And I know that our governor Cuomo Mayor de Blasio and I've been working with the nearby congresswoman Alexandria. Cossio Cortez on this issue. They are trying their pets. But we need the federal government the trump administration to pick up the pace otherwise we are going to continue to lose lives. This is so so important. I have the letter here that that U N Congresswoman Alexandria of Qazi. Cortez wrote This letter you. You're basically are begging the president to prioritize the transfer of ventilators and personal protective equipment to Elmhurst hospital in Queens. Have you gotten any response at all? Well we just sent the letter but you know people have been pleading for weeks. You know weeks since we knew that what was happening in New York. Our government our governors and Begging You know. We have been asking for the president to do what he finally did. Today to invoke not by words but with action the defense production. Act I mean. Let's let's be part of the solution here. We were slow. We were delayed on pets which leads the lives lost and now we're delayed on the PPA equipment which is continuing to lead to lifelong our our frontline healthcare workers. They are brave and they are compassionate and totally willing to make this sacrifice and to help save lives but we have to give them the equipment like we would with odor's in any battle to make sure that they are properly equipped and they're not further harmed They need to be these are real heroes on the front lines of this war is there any discussion congresswoman eventually transferring some of the patients at Elmhurst to other hospitals in New York or elsewhere the hospitals that perhaps have more resources? Yeah our city are already doing this. Elmhurst is in a heart of Queens and it it is a trusted Institution and that's why so many people are going there in the first place but the governor and the mayor are have already begun the process to transfer non corona virus patients to other hospitals. And we know that the US Navy hospital ship is coming with a thousand beds for for non corona patients. Perhaps to be moved to make room for the corona virus patients in New York hospitals. What went through your mind congressman when you heard the president last night question whether New York really needs more ventilators you know I day by day. I am just more and more heartbroken. An horrified at the attitude towards which he is treating fellow American. I have been so angry for weeks because I You know we kept hearing weeks ago already from our healthcare practitioners that they didn't have the P. p. e. they need it so there has been more than advance notice To do what he needs to do to make sure that this is not happening and not worsening in the state of New York but potentially in other states around the country as well congresswoman. Grace Abang thank you so much for joining us. Good luck to everybody elmhurst in Queens and in New York. We know you guys are at the epicenter of this crisis here in the United States. Right now thanks for joining us. Thank you so much. Well we're GONNA take a quick break. We're awaiting the start of today's briefing by members of the White House Corona Virus Task Force. Also ahead we're getting advice from experts and how to care for someone who's staying at home and has the corona virus. What does leadership look like in times of crisis? I'm poppy harlow and for the next several weeks. My show boss is going to bring you conversations with business leaders. We're trying to navigate the economic fallout of the corona virus pandemic in real time. We ask how they're looking out for their how they're planning for a future. That will undoubtedly look very different for their business. Look for new episodes of this boss files special series every Thursday. I hope you'll join US bringing medical political experts as we await the start of today's White House Corona Virus Taskforce Briefing Dana Bash. Last night the president seemed to doubt the need for more ventilators. But now he's just invoked for the first time. The Defense Production Act to require to mandate to order General Motors to start producing ventilators. Why did it take so long at the question that Governors across the country are asking including the Michigan Governor. That you had on earlier in the program look there has been so much confusion this. The president initially last week saying that he invoked as but then really meaning that he got himself the power to do it but it wasn't actually utilizing them. There was a lot of pushback among many in the business community some conservatives who said that they thought that it had too much of a tinge of of socialism for the government to takeover big businesses. But they obviously couldn't come to an agreement. There are lots of lots of There's lots of discussion about why that happened. And the president has been very vocal in his criticism of the CEO of GM. That is not new to this virus so in the antedated and it is welcome news to governors across the country and it even elicited a rare congratulations from the Democrat who will likely get the nomination at this point in. That is Joe Biden. Certainly did you know Sanjay Gupta certainly welcome news to a lot of people who are in desperate need right now but this doesn't necessarily mean any immediate relief for hospitals as far as ventilators are concerned doesn't know unfortunately it it doesn't wolf and to your question about taking too long. I mean you've got to account for the fact that simply creating more production capacity manufacturing capacity doesn't mean you're gonNA start turning out more ventilators right away. It takes a while. I'm told some ninety days I talked to some sources earlier today. That also means that you know people aren't getting sick that are actually working on these lines and means that you can get all the parts to make these ventilators. Keep in mind. Everybody in the world wants these parts right now wolf and then you know that these are different than than a lot of other types of devices they gotta go through these regulatory checks and all that as well so you know I think it was Jim Hackett from Ford Motor Company. That said it would probably be early. June maybe when you really start to feel some of these ventilators coming through. So it's it's you know as you know as you've been saying wolf and a lot of places they're gonNA need the ventilator sooner than that I certainly are Dr. Daniela Llamas is joining us right now. Dr You work at an ICU. Intensive Care Unit at a hospital in Boston. Where actually what fifty one of your colleagues have already caught this virus. What are you your colleagues up against right now? So yes fifty one hospital. Employees have tested positive for corona virus. Which is incidentally the same number that I recently heard of of physicians who died in Italy from Corona Virus I think we're up against something that is that is very contagious. That is potentially deadly and that we are not Fully equipped looking down the road To to handle right now With PPA in this country. We're Okay in Boston at my hospital right now but our numbers have yet to surge so clearly. This is something that we're looking ahead and we're worried about understandably so you wrote a very moving article in the New York Times doctor about how hard this is for. Patients who can't have visitors for doctors are like you who are really really Potentially life-saving risk right now. What sort of emotional toll is taking its heart rending? I mean we had a conversation earlier with the family member of a patient. Who asked you know if my loved one dies will be? Will I be able to see him before he dies on? Our answer was that we hope so but we are not sure and these are conversations that are going to be replayed in the tens the dozens Many many conversations that will have many report reading deaths and worried that that our patients will die alone and families will be left with that knowledge. You know everyone can certainly help these healthcare workers. They are heroes. I must say that by simply staying home flattening the curve but is the president moving forward with this county by county plan that he announced yesterday to relax some social distancing measures in various counties. You know we'll see that's going to be one of the key questions. He asked in the briefing. That should start any minute now. The reality is that the president has the bully pulpit but the governors and even more locally. The mayors have a lot of the power to decide the answer to that question and so that is likely going to continue. I mean if you think about it In various places Washington State California and New York now Michigan here in Washington. I mean the decisions to close schools than limit businesses than closed down businesses Except for those that are are essential that is done at a local level. So we'll see what the what the President says more specifically how much power he has if the people at the local level are at odds with him when he makes that decision if he does no. Let's see what he does Let's see what he announces later today. As well all right everybody stick around. We're awaiting the start of today's White House Corona Virus Task Force briefing. We'll have live coverage much more right. After this this week on boss files Landau Lake. Ceo Beth four says that despite the corona virus outbreak farmers are still working hard to bring food the shelves. There's plenty of food right now. Actually farmers are still working. This is an essential industry as defined by the government but it was actually by all of us and we know that tune in for the latest in our series of conversations with leaders about how they're coping with all the uncertainty and the challenges presented by the Corona virus pandemic. We're awaiting the start of today's briefing by members of the White House Corona Virus Task Force Once it starts we'll have live coverage as confirmed cases of the virus are soaring right now. People are facing the challenge of caring for a family member sick but still at home Ryan has been consulting with medical experts to get their advice. what are you hearing? Brian is you know. A lot of corona virus patients. Do not have to go to the hospital. In fact most of them don't have to and that means a lot of corona virus patients are at home isolated and in need of care that also means that their caregivers find themselves having to learn a whole new set of skills in New York City Jessica. Lustick says she feels like she's living in a time warp. The deputy editor of The New York Times magazine has written a heart wrenching. Journal of what? It's like to stay at home and care for her. Corona virus infected husband. Who she says is wearing the same Pajama bottoms. For days. Because it is too hard to change out of them lusting writes that her husband who she calls tea is isolated in his room away from their teenage daughter. Lustick says only. She goes into tease room to care for him. Which public health experts say is the right move keep everyone else away from that route you keep them away from the closing the betting and also the utensils and plates and anything else they've touched and it's that one person it should be looking at being being the K provider looking out for them but for Jessica Lustick that means an exhausting and stressful routine. She says she's rushing back and forth making sure. Ti has a little dinner. Just a tiny bowl of soup just an appetizer really that he is unable to smell that. He fights nausea to choke down taking his temperature monitoring his oxygen saturation levels with the fingertip pulse. Similar brought by a friend from the drugstore dispensing his meds washing my hands over and over. She can't leave a bottle of advil in his room. She says because she needs to handle that bottle anything. Her husband touches. She says has to be carefully taken from his room to the kitchen for laundry room where she and her daughter tried to clean it without actually touching it with an exposed hand experts. Say again lusty is following the playbook ensure that all the utensils plates when you feed the is kept separately and we watched them separately. Keep a close second so we put them in the washing machine and do the laundry. We keep those separate and experts say home caregivers as well as their patients have to wear masks put a procedural mosque on or they have one next to the bed. They put that on when you go into given the food when you go in the water or you go into their medication or you're going into the judge the bathroom but frontline doctors say they're worried about home caregivers having everything they need. I had no confidence that they have the personal protective equipment. They need to protect themselves and their patients home caregivers also have to deal with the emotional anguish of the patients. More bizarre symptoms leg writes. The nights are hardest when the fear and dread descend T- feverish lying on his back murmuring. Horsely saying he almost just called their daughter. Ck By the name of his twenty years ago ex girlfriend and that's what experts say home caregivers also have to address the issue of taking care of themselves during this ordeal listening to music reading watching TV. Anything that makes you happy. Those things are so crucial. Also finding someone else to talk to someone to whom you can offload all of your anxieties wolf. All so so heartbreaking Brian and multiply that one case by the thousands all over the country and indeed all over the world right now you begin to get a sense of what these people are going through right now. The enormity is just so so awful. Brian Todd reporting thank you and as the pandemic clearly spreading people have more and more questions our own doctor Sanjay Gupta. He's standing by live. He will answer some of your questions when we come back. In February of two thousand seventeen abby Williams in Libya German went for a walk in the woods and vanished the next day their bodies are found the brutal murders of Vienna be. Continue to haunt the small town of Delphi. Indiana one of the girls captured the killer on video but his identity remains a mystery and police. Say The man who did this could walk among them. Can these murders be solved from H. L. N? It's down the hill. The Delphi murders bench. The entire season now on apple podcasts. Dr Chief Medical correspondent Dr Sanjay. Gupta's joining us. Now he's got some answers to your questions. We're getting a ton of questions Sanjay. How about this one? What are your chances of surviving this virus? If you are elderly an important point I think you know there's a lot of people have followed the story. I think some people think. Look if you're elderly and you can track this it's preordained that you're going to get very sick That's preordained that you're more likely to die. we know that elderly people are more vulnerable. But let me make a couple points. First of all. You're you're still statistically more likely to not need to go to the hospital statistically more likely to recover than not in statistically obviously more likely to survive than not wolf. Let me share with you quickly. A story that we just heard of this one hundred and two year old woman in Italy An amazing story. I think we have a picture of her She was admitted to the hospital. Early March found to have corona virus Spent Twenty Days in the hospital and is now recovered with one hundred and two years old while so. I think she's a second person we know. That's over one hundred years old who have recovered. So it's important. Well she she was born in one thousand nine hundred seventeen when doctors were examining looking at her blood. They think she actually survived the Spanish flu as well and now this pandemic but there are lots of with all the tough news wolf out there. There are some hopeful stories like like this one as well and by the way. Sanjay some of the folks on the podium now started arriving. We're told the president and the vice president will be walking out fairly soon. You see some guests that he was. He's invited on the side over there. You see you know Dr Fao. Chee and Embassador burks they're standing on the side. I'm not exactly sure what's going on but we will see. I see the secretary of Education. Deborah Devos there as well as we await for the president and the vice president. Here's another question Sanjay for you. If you get the corona virus and recover can you contract it again? Well chances are you should be immunized. There have some immunity to it for a while. We don't know for sure. I mean keep in mind wolf. Obviously this is something. Everyone is familiar with now. But we're still just three months or so into this. So what they're going to go do is then look at the whole. Gosh recovered hold. That thought here comes the president and the vice president. Thank you so much great to have you and thank you for being here. My administration is taking new action to ensure that America has the medical resources and equipment needed to fight the global head damage. It's been a brutal pandemic for over one hundred fifty countries all over the world. We've had great success over the last month we've as you know the Millions and millions of pieces of equipment have been delivered successfully by US purchased and delivered. And we've made it available to the states and the governors have been very gracious for the most part. I would say a couple. That aren't appreciative of the incredible job. They have to do a better job themselves. That's part of the problem Generally speaking I have to tell you the governors have been great. I just spoke to the governor of New Jersey Governor Murphy and is very thankful and Governor Cuomo has been very nice if they really appreciate it. I think what the Federal Government has done you look at the hospitals that are being built all over the country by the Army Corps of Engineers and famous really incredible. Nobody seeing built hospitals in two or three days portable hospitals this afternoon. I invoke the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to accept performing prioritize. Federal contracts for ventilators ventilators are a big deal and we've delivered thousands of them and oftentimes. You don't need ventilators very much. Hospitals don't have very many and now we're turning out that we have to produce large numbers. But we've been able to do that and we're going to be doing a lot more this invocation of the GPA should demonstrate clearly to all that we will not hesitate to use the full authority of the federal government to combat this crisis. We thought that we had to deal with as an example General Motors and I guess they thought otherwise. They didn't agree and now they do. They do agree and I think we might be able to pull it. But we let them know the way we felt and they can't be doing that will work in partnership with the private sector but we're in emergency exists and it's very important that we get to the bottom line and quickly. We will do what we have to do. And immediately exercise all available awful authorities to get the job done this afternoon. I also signed an executive order investing and very very strongly investing the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Homeland Security with the full authorities available under the defense production. Act To respond to the outbreak of the Terrible virus the invisible enemy as we say my order. Also establishes that Peter Navarro very trusted person from the White House. And he's been an incredible. He's done an incredible job for me. In terms of negotiation in terms of understanding where the world is going economically. But my odor establishes that Peter will serve as National Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator for the federal government. That's a very important position more important probably than it's almost ever been in our country and so I wanNA congratulate Peter and his family. It's I know. He's going to do a fantastic job. He's been doing that job over the last few weeks. Peter is a PhD in economics from. Harvard has a master in public administration from the Kennedy School also from Harvard and He's a tremendous guy and he will do a fantastic job. I'd like to maybe ask before. I continue Peter to say a few words please Sir thank you. Of course you know the Harvard jokey Harvard man. You just can't tell them much right there. Kids anyway
The White House and Its Legacy, Part 1
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Dot Com slash iheart and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options. Welcome to stuff you missed in history class a production of iheartradio. Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm holly FRY and I'm Tracy. Wilson. So it was announced recently that the White House Rose Garden is getting renovation. I noticed that announcement sparks discussion online. People about the sacredness of the White House and whether people should mess with it. look here's the deal regardless of who is in the White House and what you think of their politics. I came to this topic because I wanted to reassure everyone that yes. Of course, the White House's iconic. We all recognize it as the place where the president lives, but it has also always been in a state of constant change. today's House has a hundred and thirty two rooms, thirty five bathrooms that was not always the case it was also not always called the White House and it has a lot of history and while my initial thought was that talking through the White House's history and all of its various architectural changes and other things that happened to shift, it would help people see that change is just part of this building As I worked on this episode, which is now two episodes it just became so clear that we really can't look at the White House's history without also discussing how it relates to slavery in the United States and How completely literally deep seated, that has been in the country's founding people often speak about the White House with this great reverence but we don't really engage with how deeply entwined it is with enslavement. So today is going to be the later part of it. We're GONNA talk first about the general history of the White House and on the next episode, we're going to talk at first about the White House Gardens and their brief history or a brief history of them, and then we're GONNA get into some of the not delightful but really important talk about the role of enslavement in what has come to be known as the People's House. So after the United States became a country in its own right and George Washington was elected president in seventeen eighty nine. There was the question of where the president should live and that was an important question both New York City and Philadelphia hoped to be selected both of them designed and built residences that were intended to appeal to George Washington's taste was really no secret that where the president made his home would be a boon to the chosen city I mean that's pretty obvious. Washington had been living in New York, which was the first, US Capitol. But where the actual federal seat of government would be permanently was still undecided when Washington was elected and the debate over the United States capitals location ended with the residents act in July seventeen ninety tracy and I discussed beforehand like this is a whole thing on its own that could be an episode because it is a lot of wheeling and dealing on the back end among three men in particular. Yeah. If you've if you've listened to Hamilton you've got. A glimpse of it's. The whole room where it happened is all about bat yeah and the X. Full name was an act for establishing the temporary and permanent seat of the government of the United States and that act provided for Philadelphia to be the temporary capital for ten years, and then for a site on the Potomac, which would, of course, become Washington DC to become the permanent capital. So George Washington moved to Philadelphia in seventeen. Ninety one he selected Thomas Johnson. David. Stewart. and Daniel Carroll as Federal Construction Commissioners Pierre. Charles l'enfant was selected by Washington to design the new city and the US Capitol building and the President's house the president, the commissioners and low phone selected the site where the presidential residence would be built, and that was to be on the Potomac the French engineer architect no phone who had fought against the British during the revolutionary war on the side of the colonies started work in spring of seventeen ninety one. Law Fall was brought on in part to ensure that the new United States of America would have capital city in the grand European tradition but built with a modern sensibility but tensions really arose when his vision exceeded that of the government when l'enfant dragged his feet on a map for the sale of the city lots the city survey or made one l'enfant gotten no credit this on top of the. Existing tensions with him led to lump on the project he was encouraged do. So by Thomas Jefferson sometimes, they'll see this characterized as l'enfant quitting or getting fired depending on the source. The bottom line is this relationship had gotten so bad that both sides wanted to end some elements of l'enfance designed do persist today in Washington DC landscape, particularly the National Mall, which was initiated by l'enfance desire for there to. Be a huge public walk in the city. Yeah. There is ongoing discussion If you I discovered if you go down architectural rabbit holes online of like really how much we do or do not owed alone phone in terms of how the capital is laid out but law falls exit from this project meant that they needed a new architect and the solution to finding one was a contest this contest. I read in different places being credited as George. Washington's idea others said, it was Thomas Jefferson's idea again, completely different sources will tell you different things but we do know that Washington reviewed the finalists submissions in in the end. Irish architect James Hoban was chosen. Jefferson. By the way submitted his own designs anonymously under the initials as e his design was not chosen obviously that sounds like something he would do. There are so many moments where I was researching this I'm like. Of course, that's what Thomas Jefferson did. Wow, the project for the president's mansion was based on the start that l'enfant had made home indefinitely brought his Irish background into the design. If you've ever seen lynched or house in Dublin, which is the seat of Ireland's parliament, it's obvious that the White House was inspired by it. Holden staked out the president's home on July Nineteen, seventy, ninety two although immediately problems arose from the switch from one architect to another loan falls design which had already had the cellars dug for it was much larger than Hogan's, and as a consequence, some shifting had to be made. So ultimately hoven deferred to Washington on the matter and he asked for the president to. Decide where he wanted the north wall of the house, and then he altered the lay out to make that work president Washington gave approval to Hoven to increase the footprint of the plan by twenty percent in an effort to help deal with this mismatch in designed footprints. But that also meant that the planned third floor had to be cut from the design to meet budget restrictions, they quarried sandstone from Aqua Creek, which is forty miles from the build site, the stone, which is porous and cracks pretty easily when temperatures drop was whitewashed to help protect it and that led to the nickname, White House? Although that would not become the official name for another century. At this point, it was just called the president's house. Early, drawings had labeled as the president's palace. That was one of the ways that the new government's leaders wanted to kind of get away from their European routes. There was a quick like, no, no, no, no, no this is not a monarchy. Doing palaces. Other guiding principles to the president's house design that were insisted upon by George Washington. So one, it had to have ornamentation to it had to be built in such a way that it could later be expanded. So once again, that kind of reiterates that it was always intended to be a thing that could change in three. It had to be built quote upon a scale far superior to anything in this country this was a tall order and to fill it the areas around the construction site were turned into construction central basically. The area was filled with a sawmill brickyard, storage buildings, kilns, facilities, and living spaces for the workers and a cookhouse feed them. This was really a makeshift city of workers than it came with some less than savory behavior and a lot of Ling and drunkenness happened in the off hours. There was a house of quote riotous and disorderly conduct establishment was run by a carpenter's wife named Betsy Donahue and she was fined over it but her business was not shutdown outright it was just moved to a privately owned tract of land. They basically were like we can't have carousing and there's definitely need the intimation that there was brothel type activity going on there. We can't have this on public land, but if you just move this to this private lot, will let you go. incidentally, there's an interesting piece of Trivia here in that the cornerstone of the mansion which was laid on October thirteenth seventeen, ninety two has been lost time. During renovations that took place in the Mid Twentieth Century people went looking for it and no one could find it. An. X. Ray imaging system was even brought to the site for the mansions two hundredth anniversary in search of this missing cornerstone but it was not located. It is considered gone. At this point we'll talk about the earliest occupants of the presidential mansion and how the building changed over the years. But first, we will pause for a sponsor break. 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That's the quote that was later engraved on the state dining room fireplace at the request of Franklin Delano Roosevelt Abigail for her part found the place quite challenging when she arrived. She wrote to her daughter that none of the apartments were finished and that she was forced to hang laundry in the unfinished great room. She also wrote quote the lighting of the apartments from the kitchen to parlors and chambers tax indeed in the fires we are obliged to keep to secure us from daily abuse is another very cheering comfort to assist us in. This great castle and render less attendance necessary. Bells are wholly wanting not a single one being hung throughout the whole house and promises are all you can obtain. This is so great an inconvenience that I know not what to do or how to do and I just I keep thinking about the first lady doing White House laundry hanging it up in the greatly. Being like I don't know I would ask for help but I can't find a bell to call them. Also included this rather charming statement in this letter quote you must keep all this to yourself and when asked how I like it say that I write you the situation is beautiful, which is true. Don't tell anybody I complain about this. Okay. George Washington head of course died the year before on December fourteenth of Seventeen, ninety nine. So he did not live to see his project completed and even the atoms is only spent four months in the new home before Thomas Jefferson's election in eighteen o one was four months were not especially luxurious I mean beyond the hanging of the laundry and the Great Room. It was the first winter for this new residents and some of the stuff they needed just had not been worked out like ensuring that there was a ready source of wood and as was mentioned in Abigail letter, not all the rooms were complete. So the first family had A. Room a dining room a breakfast room bedrooms for the president's family an office. That's sounds like plenty, but it's really not that much for an entire seat of government. They. Also endured just constant construction during all their time there. Yeah especially when you consider this as a Maybe the I live workspace. They were supposed to be conducting government business out of it as well as living there. Jefferson moved into the president's house in March of eighteen o one and it was of course still not completed. E Won't be surprised to find that he had lots of ideas and he made an immediate update to the building in the form adding water closets which were fed from. Attic, cisterns that collected rainwater. Prior, to his insistence on this edition, the structure had been designed to have outdoor restrooms. Common for the time. New Pavilions were also added to the grounds during the Jefferson presidency. Those were the east and West colonnades and they remain part of the design to this day. Those projects and others during Jefferson's time and the president's house were overseen by architect Benjamin Henry Latrobe. Latrobe also had the roof of the Mansion Redone in sheet iron prior to that Redo, it leaked terribly because the original heavy slate that was used on the roof was wreaking havoc on the supporting walls. It was creating these gaps that caused leak problems. They also added a grand staircase and landscaped the grounds that was part of why Jefferson wanted those outhouses to be done away with. He wanted the grounds to be beautiful. The staircase had been part of the. Plan from the beginning but Jefferson took office only a temporary set of stairs was in place with neither of the plan grand staircases built trump didn't have a free hand in this work. Jefferson had really clear ideas about how he wanted everything done and their relationship is a little reminiscent, of Andrea, Notre and Louis the fourteenth of France or Thomas. Jefferson had to have input on everything latrobe. Once wrote of his boss quote I am sorry that I am cramped in this designed by his prejudices and favor of the old French books out of which he fishes everything. Also, sounds very like Thomas Jefferson. Yeah and I wanted to mention Lynn Notre and Louis. The fourteenth because. It seems like the era of the Louisa France was very much one that influence Thomas Jefferson's thinking throughout in terms of design and how things should be done. There were drawings made by Latrobe for colonnaded porches to be added to the Executive Mansion. Those never got moved into an active project status when James Madison was elected latrobe stayed on but he shifted his focus from architecture to more interior decoration. He had not been a fan of Jefferson's proclivity to do everything in the French style emulating Versailles, and he switch things over largely to English regency in Greek revival decor in eighteen fourteen during. The War of eighteen twelve under president James Madison's presidency. The president's house was set on fire by British. Troops and they also burned a lot of the surrounding city. The presidential mansion was essentially left with only its exterior walls when a storm finally put out the blaze first lady dolley Madison would only consent rather famously to leave the residents once she was certain that the portrait of George Washington painted by Gilbert Stuart had been safely removed. She did not cut it from the frame and roll it under her arm in a moment of desperation as is often told, it was in fact removed from its frame and the stretch canvas that it remained on was taken by carriage to a safe location in Georgetown. Called Octagon House became home to James and dolley Madison. After the fire that was a temporary residence and work was begun to restore the permanent home of the president although it took several months for Congress to approve the funding for the project while Benjamin Henry Latrobe had a lot of ideas about how to rebuild Madison instead opted to once again tap James Tobin to supervise the project with the intent to restore it to its original form. The new structure was ready for occupancy by President James Monroe in eighteen seventeen monroe had conferred with Hogan after he was elected any change some of the. Plans that Madison had established for the rebuild. Hogan also made some changes of his own based on learning. So he had made during that I build and at this point while still nicknamed the White House it was officially referenced as the Executive Mansion in accordance with James Monroe's wishes in eighteen, twenty four, the South Portico was added. That's the one that's curved. The squared off North Portico followed five years later during Andrew Jackson's presidency also during Jackson's term, the executive mansion got a huge update central heating and running water were added to the homes amenities. The East Room was finally completed as well. There were a few different efforts to create a central heating plan. And I found a few that suggested that the first successful one was during Jackson's time although successful should maybe be an air quotes. When Franklin Pierce was in office from eighteen, fifty, three to eighteen, fifty, seven he had the orangerie built by Andrew Jackson transformed into a greenhouse that was inspired by Paxton's Crystal Palace that greenhouse did not last when his term was up it was demolished to make way for Treasury building expansion when Andrew Johnson became seventeenth president after Lincoln's assassination, a series of changes began at the residence. Most of these were decor changes that were. Initiated by Johnson's daughter, but the larger scale change was the construction of two conservatories that created homes for a vast array of plant life. We are going to start to talk in this next bit about how the wear and tear and all of those renovations started to create some problems for the Executive Mansion. We'll get into all that after we I have a word from the sponsors that keeps stuff you missed in history class going. This episode of stuff you missed in history classes brought to you by the Home Depot the Home Depot decorating your home is now easier than ever before you just start by heading to homedepot dot com where you can shop everything for every room I took a peek at their website and I came away with a beautiful table for my entry way I absolutely love it. 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Guests necessitated supporting the floors in the state rooms to prevent those floors from buckling under the weight. This led to proposals for all manner of additions and renovations, as well as the possibility of an entirely new residents being built at a different location. But ultimately, the idea of moving the presidential residence to another home was dismissed as the iconic image of the Executive Mansion was considered too great at this point. So instead, they opted for ongoing repairs. President Ulysses s grant and first lady Julia grant opted to Redo the executive mansion in Victorian style that was part of a major renovation funded by congressional appropriation of one hundred, thousand dollars. This renovation also prepared the mansion to host their daughter Nellie grants wedding. Grants also had the grand staircase replaced with the landing added. Yeah. I read in one place, but couldn't find a primary sources to back it up that some people in the press made fun of Ulysses Grant for having this very freely house. But I don't know again if that is a valid thing I just wanted to introduce it because I thought it was sort of charming. During both the Benjamin Harrison and grover Cleveland. Presidencies there were proposals to expand the House that went before Congress. The Harrison plan fell apart when the first lady died she'd kind of been its champion. So when she was gone, there was no one else to really keep that going the proposal that was developed under the Cleveland's did not gain support among legislators that version would have expanded the house out with two t shaped wings on either side of the mansion creating a much wider structure similar to many you might see throughout Europe. Any idea of renovation though was put on indefinite hold when the Spanish American war began in eighteen ninety, eight in one, thousand, nine, hundred to the presidential home on a large scale renovation under the direction of President Theodore Roosevelt and First Lady Edith Roosevelt. Roosevelt also made its name officially the White House since everybody had been calling it that for years at that point anyway, the administration brought in the architectural firm of mckim mead in weight from New York to create a modernized, very stylish new design for the White House. The idea of Charles mckim who worked closely with the Roosevelt's was that they should restore the concepts of Hoban in latrobe but also modernized the structure to reflect all of the technology that had developed in the century since the first occupants had settled into the White House included shifting the office of the President to the temporary executive office building that structure today is the West. Wing the intent was to create some separation between the family living areas and the work areas in the house previous podcasts, subject Alice Roosevelt, and her intrusive and impulsive behavior. I have been a factor in that decision before this move the offices and the family bedrooms at all shared the second floor the renovation was budgeted by Congress a whopping half million dollars again in Nineteen ninety-two. The conservatories were demolished a porch that had been built onto the east side of the home was similarly removed. The West Terrace became living quarters for staff and the Gardner and also included a laundry facility. The interior was decorated in the bows are style echoing classic, Greek Design Ideology, as well as having of Louis the sixteenth design in some rooms just to keep things interesting. The big engineering swing that took place during this renovation was the removal of a load bearing wall in the state dining room to expand it that wall was replaced with a steel trust to accommodate the weight and that became problematic down the road. Keep that in mind William Howard Taft who followed teddy? Roosevelt. Is President had the Oval Office built in the Executive Building which echoes the Blue Room that's the oval diplomatic reception room with the main house. It's been called a number of things over the years during the presidency of Calvin Coolidge the building's roof was repaired. It was the same roof from eighteen sixteen reconstruction and it was in rough shape at this point. But coolidge also added a third floor in the process. So the White House could more easily. Accommodate guests and also have some additional storage but this conversion of the addicts space to make third level was supported with steel girders and the combination of those sturdy but heavy girders with that trust structure that had been installed during the Roosevelt. Administration caused the White House to become structurally unsound. While president, Delano Roosevelt was in office World War Two necessitated the creation of a bomb shelter. This was built under what became the east wing that is now primarily used for the needs of the office of the first lady. FDR also had a museum commissioned the iconic residents to document and share the White House's history. But that museum plan fell to the wayside due to financial concerns. During President Harry Truman's time in office the entire White House underwent significant renovation due to those structural problems that we mentioned a moment ago. There's issues were discovered after the addition of a second floor balcony to the South Portico. Once those problems had been identified, the White House was essentially gutted because it was believed that it was going to collapse without intervention. All of those years of additions and changes in the introduction of electric wiring and pipes into a building that was not designed for them had taken their toll and there had been three primary ideas regarding how to handle this issue of a crumbling mansion. One was to restore the existing house to was to raise the house and rebuild it in marble or three that old chestnut build an entirely new presidential homes somewhere else in the capital since it was decided that the. White House. Should be restored during construction. The first family moved across the street to Blair House six million dollars had been allocated for this project and it was really a full rebuild from the foundation up the stone walls remained but everything else was removed although much of it was carefully placed in storage to be reincorporated into the fortified new White House ultimately little of it was used again. Yeah. There is an architecture book that I had bought to D. Research for this. And like it's so bizarre to see the White House taken down to the studs like their pictures of it just. Looking like a bombed-out construction site, it's really sort of strange in over the course of four years of construction. The building got a new two floored sub basement that was pinned to a concrete foundation. The Wooden Joyce that had been there for more than a century were replaced with concrete and steel beams to ensure greater structural integrity. Rooms that had been part of the house before the rebuild were recreated but they had updates made to them to reflect modern sensibilities. Bathrooms attached two bedrooms and fans in turbines added into the roof but all of this was done so that the exterior view of the White House would remain basically the same. Unfortunately very few of the mansions historically significant artifacts are retained or preserved while saving the house itself during the Kennedy Administration First Lady Jackie Kennedy redecorated, but her vision for the mansion was one that sought to incorporate what had come before her redecoration was really more of a researched restoration. Mrs. Kennedy sought out experts in antiques and assembled them into a committee that would advise on this whole process. As Jackie Kennedy's efforts became public knowledge antique pieces donated from private owners to become part of the White House restoration in September of Nineteen Sixty one congress passed an act concerning the White House and providing the care and preservation of its historic and artistic contents. This established the White House, art collection, and it finally declared the White House a museum. The first lady hired the first. White, house curator tasked with creating a comprehensive catalogue of the homes contents in managing the collections with an eye toward preservation as well as collection as you may recall from Vincent Price episode from back in two thousand, sixteen price was one of the art experts who helped assemble that first official art collection, but perhaps the most significant White House. From the Kennedy Administration was the first. Lady's establishment of the White House Historical Association the White House's Stoorikhel Association is a private nonprofit organization and it stated mission is quote to protect, preserve and provide public access to the rich history of America's Executive Mansion. Used a lot of their available research as they worked on this. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, ABC aired. What is now a pretty famous piece about Jackie Kennedy's work in the White House including a tour of the highlights of the newly redone home. And the first lady spoke about her ideology for the whole process saying quote this house will grow and should it just seemed to me such a shame when we came here to find hardly anything of the past in the house hardly anything before nineteen to the administration of President Jimmy Carter moved the White House into the future in two significant ways one, the mansions first computer system was installed and to solar panels were installed heat the facilities water there's panels were short lived initially they were taken down during the Reagan presidency although the George W Bush administration put them back. So that is we we are going to conclude four today. In our second part coming up next time around we're GonNa talk about the gardens, and then as I mentioned, we're going to talk about how much all of these things we've talked about really hinged on the work of in slave. Labor So in the meantime I'm going to read a delightful email. As a balancing act so it's not all all serious, but I do hope that in hearing all of this in particularly like that the White House has burned out completely been taken down to the STUDS, etc. People realize like it is not a static sacred cow. So to speak something shifts and changes, that's just how it's always meant to be from the beginning. But the email I wanna read is about something completely different, which is an older episode, the Limerick. Soviet. It is from our listeners Serena i. hope that is how she pronounces it and it makes me think of dream of Jeannie Serena rights. I am a recent listener since finding your podcast I've been listening every day I really enjoy the way you present information in a way where I can listen actively and I often find myself talking about the wonderful slash terrible things I've learned from you I'm from Los Angeles in about three and a half years ago I moved to Ireland on my own since then I. Have entered a relationship and have also had the pleasure of getting to know my partner's family, my partner and his father, both history buffs and have been debating and educating each other for years. I recently spent a lovely sunny morning in our hammock listening to your episode about the Limerick. Soviet. I found it fascinating as I'm always interested in obscure Irish history, but when I brought it. Up to my partner, he had almost zero knowledge about it. I brought it up the next day during a hike with his father and he knew a small bit about it and told me he has many friends in slash from limerick and they fiercely denied the story ever happened I proceeded to send him the link to the episode of the next morning. He texted me thing before. Sending it to him and that he enjoyed it immensely, the best part being that he is absolutely delighted to have sent the episode to his daughter Friends, I'm still waiting to hear about their responses, but I wanted to thank you for your wonderful podcast and tell you this little story about your podcast enlightening this American her Irish partner and now a group of seventy plus Irish lattes. I. Hope you're keeping well and I thought you might enjoy these photos of our elder pumpkin socks in read the twelve year old Boston terriers they moved to Ireland two point five years ago adorable by the way. I would not have known about the Limerick Soviet had a wonderful young woman named Maria. Told me about it when I was in a bar, Ilan Rick. Right. As you may recall, and so it was one of those things that I immediately wanted to look into. I. Hope I have not ruffled any feathers in your. Your partners. Dad's circle fingers cross. You would like to write to us. 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April Ryan - "Under Fire: Reporting from the Front Lines of the Trump White House"
"And. This is words matter with a leash Jordan and Steve Schmidt. This is Adam sitting in for at least Steve today. We're in Washington, and our guest is Ord winning journalist. Yes. Bestselling author new me win. Veteran White House correspondent, and my friend. Yes. Able ride before we start we have to plug your latest book. Yes. She's under fire reporting from the frontlines of the Trump White House Savell audible, it's a great listen, welcome towards manner. Oh, I'm so pleased to be here with you. And as you noted in the interest of full disclosure during my tenure as assistant White House press secretary for George W Bush, I used to harangue you all the time. You did we'll we'll get into that. But you did it in a way. And again, I I want to tell people about your style we into this. Because my style your style was what I called patient yet, relentless. Oh, like 'cause you know, you know, being in the White House press office. There's a lot of waiting around. Wait. Wait, wait. So you're outside someone's door. I'm in some meeting, never got frustrated nasty. So first of all -gratulations. Thank you for the for the congratulations. Congratulations are this month. Get ear twenty-second you're twenty two years twenty two years, and we did a little word a little number count before. We did. We did some some counting before the show is going to make me feel. No, no. It's four presidents. Yes. Twelve press secretary's really eighteen communications directors dang thirteen. Chiefs of staff. I survived them. All and I wanna go back. Yes. This is why working with April Ryan was so much fun. Those people in the White House should be thrilled that they get to do this every day because I miss it. But let's go back to that first day. Go Clinton president Mike McCurry is the press secretary. I love my Leon Panetta's chief-of-staff. Newt Gingrich down the other end of Pennsylvania's the contract with America. And that's all that stuff. And I want to know what it was like for a young not yet thirty years old. Not yet. Not yet. You not thirty when you start to walk through those gates for the first time and take that seat in their pressroom next too often, same downside. So let me go back when I finally realized had the assignment I was walking with a friend move. We got this. I'm and we went to some event at the Willard hotel and I walked the park. And I was like oh my God. I'm work. Here was so intimidated, and I remember talking to the secret service guy that was standing there, you probably maybe long gone by now twenty two years. And I said I'm going to be working at great. I'll see you when you get here and that first day came, and I never forget it was cold. It was it was in January, right? This time of year. It was bitterly cold. I remember remember the the Brown lease rustling and Lafayette Park scraping against the the the red brick and looking that stark white building with the black. Rod iron gates, and I was like, oh my. My God, you know. And I never forget the historic moment. You know, the president was commemorating or remembering the black soldiers from World War Two who did not get medals for grave ary. And I said what a fitting day every day. I walk through those gates. I don't I don't get the euphoria. Like, I did the first time, right? But but every day I walked through those gates or come close them like, wow. For kid from Baltimore. And I'm gonna say a black girl from Baltimore who has touched every area Baltimore, especially the areas where Freddie gray was picked out as to go to the hairdresser their churches that are frequent near where he was picked up the street corner pin in north with where the police standoff was is where mothers to take me to the health clank when I was a kid. Yeah. You know, being black and Baltimore, Nancy. Pelosi's Baltimore, we touch NC della, Sandra. Yes. Her father and brother were mayors of Baltimore the Dila Sandro 's so literally. But when you're in Baltimore, you touch almost every area Baltimore, you know, from high income low income to middle income or middle income family. But in Baltimore at that time in the sixties. You know, you you you were in the black community all parts of the black and you were striving to get on the other side of the beltway. But you know, there was redlining. But you know, and that that's a piece of my survival. How to patiently wait and understand that? It's just a season and understanding that going to this place was like, oh my gosh. I never magin. Being why today never magic meeting? You never magin that I would be in the space of history and being a part of history writing history. Having people listened to history is still even what I'm talking about is still kind of gets you kind of choke you up. It's amazing. It's amazing. And it's also a little weedy, you feel little way to feel it you feel it. I mean, I'm sure you lie with end death are written and spoken that buildups by the leader of the free world who we have worked with in. So you started there like we said in January of nineteen Ninety-seven Ken Starr, whitewater investigation was remember that was entering its fourth year for all those people who say that the the Muller things onto a Monica stuff happened. When I was you were there. And so that was the first thing you saw really that that first year and amazing. I went back just for fun to that first White House correspondent dinner because that was that was pre I don't like to call Monica gay because it was Clinton. Kind of not fair to her but pre all that coming out and John Stewart, very young John Stewart, and he didn't even his jokes did seventeen minutes. He made fun of Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd a little bit, Al Gore. He didn't even make fun of. But it's hard to sit in front of a president and roast him. I'll never forget Cedric the entertainer run, George W Bush. He was bombing. Because his he was sweating profusely. That's a tough room and to be able to rose the president in his face. And I remember that one because I was honored to be your guest. Yeah. For that one. And so, you know, you watch that investigation and you watch impeachment. You've seen a lot of impeachment. I've seen I was young reporter. But I've seen it. I'll never forget we have to remember that when reporters covering something we understand for the most part the magnitude of it. And it was the Ken Starr report, the it was. The map Brome and Bill Clinton being deposed at remember after you know, he was deposed. And he announced you know, that he lied an never forget the rallies at the White House in the rose garden. Oh, yeah. I'll never forget. That rally. They I was there. I'll never forget those. But one thing I will never forget when Qin star came in. When you were there things change with each present is a bit of change or and there's a bit of change in how the the process happens. But at that time, it was pre nine eleven everything the campus was open you can walk along east executive avenue between treasury, right and right east. Exact right. Yes. You and you can walk along with no problem. And now it's shut down after nine eleven. But during that time there were so many people who would just gathered along just watching what was going on. And. That day the crowds were just massive. And I'll never forget Ken Starr came and it was dark car. I believe if I remember it was blue not blue. It was black green, and it was a dark car, and it came in never forget I caught his eye, and he was sitting along in that in that the back of the car, and I looked at him, and he was just alone and the importance of him coming to the White House. And then it was the silence was deafening in the White House that day because we will waiting to find out, and I believe there was a clock on on on the news ticking as to how long the president was being deposed. And it was just such a deafening silence. There. I remember all the gala, I ran into Paul Begala. And at that time the ushers used to walk the president's close. He is to change a lot. These always walk his suits back and forth between the residence residents and the White House in the west in the. The west wing right down the yes, the colonnade we would see that. And I'll never forget this this back and forth with water and trays of water. And and and the suits, and I talked to Paul and there was another report with me. And as Paul what should we expect? He said the first lady is, you know, she's there, and she's a part of this. And and just wait just what he just kept trying to calm. What was going? Yes. He is really really. It was good back. Then you still get it. And I wanted to know and I'll never forget watching that night because I was sitting that day. And I was watching my eyes met Kim star for that moment, and as he was driving in. And I mean that was a moment that is edged in my mind. Just I remember the feeling I remember the silence. I remember how people were trying to keep the word. They were very strategic in their words. I'm remember, Mike McCurry even back then words. Matter or it's always. The words really mad, especially now, I remember those those briefings, and how McCurry would he didn't wanna know a lot of things. Well, I I actually used to us Mike in media training and Mike wiza- one hand guys. I was a great sense of humor. Like you said he kept his distance from Clinton. But I remember he wants began one of those briefings by saying, you know, usually they read the news of the day. You know, anybody they read, you know, the schedule he just said, I'm welcomed, ladies and gentlemen to the theatre of the absurd. Do this five times a week without I'll be happy to take your questions, and he was the first one to open up those things to his consternation, but I told him I said don't you ever be upset because people especially now in this moment, we need transparency because so much is done without knowledge of what's happening and how it happened. This is still the United States of America. And there's more of a call for transparency. And I am really surprised and shocked that the. American people are not screaming about a lack of briefings right now. This is not good. This is not good. Let's go back. You mentioned nine eleven. We talked about the transition with ministrations Bush folks came in. I didn't come at the start. I actually start till January one of two, but you know, that honeymoon period that's usually year year and a half that ended that day September eight and you were there in that press room. You were working talk about that. Well, let me say this. Let me say this wasn't in the press room at the time. I was literally waiting for the president to come back from Florida, right? Yes. Okay. So you were so I was at home in Baltimore. So he was in Florida and all of a sudden I was wrong trip. It was trip was a trip. Andy card was there and some of our colleagues on the plane with it felt like Armageddon day. And if you remember the moment, and this is I think when a lot of things change technology, how we communicate everyone communicated with each other. Because at that time, we everyone pretty much had. Flip phones over transitioning from flip flop only had the, blackberry blackberry. Exactly. You remember? Yes. So people couldn't the phone lines were down. You couldn't communicate with the people who could communicate with their friends were texting right on the blackberry, and then the White House press corps quickly moved from beepers and those flip phones to the blackberry by the time. I got there in January one of two we were all issued blackberrys. Yeah. And Rove's wasn't even White House blackberry at the time. It was an RNC black blackberry because the White House did not even issue them in toll after nine eleven and so two you telling something he was he's both have artsy. But. That became an issue. I don't want this podcast to be that all the revelation all the reveling. But so, you know. Say again, I don't know that they don't use. But you know, I showed up I'd worked at NBC news. I'm democrat from New York New your cousin towns these congressmen. I love him. He was a great part of that delegation. But was mazing was even though the press and Republicans Republicans perceive that they that they get treated tougher than than most. That was a pretty collegial group. I know what are he was tough sometimes, but he tried and you know, there were. Yeah. I don't have problem with Ari. I mean when we had our disagreements we agreed to disagree, and we were speculating that the next day. And I think that's why you and I I mean, it doesn't it's not about policy or politics for me. And that's the unfortunate ROY now that the press room, and we're under attack for reason, you have a press room that doesn't look like it used to the time of Walter Cronkite. We didn't know his politics. All we knew was. That's the way. It was. Right. We didn't know his politics until. After he left. Sure. But now you have very extreme liberal reporters. You have extreme right-wing reports conservative reports. And then you have some that are down the middle apprai- that I'm down the middle. Or you've always been was mazing was thinking about this in the context of the apron under fire are always called on you, even if he didn't want to hear your question my Ari with his democratic parents democratic. And we into this day. We can laugh we may disagree, and there were ten cents percents. I remember he did something that I asked in the briefing or in the gaggle, and it may news. I asked him about Bill Clinton trying to help with Israel and Palestine. And he said, you know, he was in at that time. He was not at the level where heat could speak on another president. And it was a big news because he said something when you shoot for the moon, and you miss or something. Yeah. You. Mon and you miss, and it was a big story. And I asked that never are that was his response. I just asked the blanket question, and he made there was why he made the news. He got chastised for. I remember you. You think it was bad up front? You see behind the scene all my guy, and he got trouble for. But he didn't he never jumped me. Did. He no, no. And you just mentioned that about the reporters. Now, you're obviously, not a politician. But you have what I call constituents or at least list listeners. I have I have April our APRIL's army. Apparently, would you have people that listen to you that region believe and believe you in and you ever talk about a little bit about your responsibility to those people to get it right to do the job you do number one. As a report has journalist. I mean, I went to school studied for this. And you have to research. That's what we do. And people think when we sit there which is coming up out of our ball and just thinking of something sometimes if we do that is because we're playing on something that someone else as something that we already know about we have studied to the empty agree. Talked to sources on the hill. Talked to congressional leaders senators talked to whoever the people who are involved we have done. We've done our homework before we go and ask. And so as a journalist, I think, it's. Imperative because the stakes are so high and people listen out for us to tell them the truth, and what's going on. Because the White House is still a mystery. And what we do is kind of take the veil off of it and inform. I believe it's it's my it's my duty to tell the truth and know as much talked as many people because there are people out here that are hurting is important for me to talk to Larry Kudlow and say, you know. Yes, you say there is a hardship. Yes. You say that the GDP is affecting. Yes. You say that you're sad about it. But in the meantime, you keep talking about this wall. And what you need does it balance out. There are people out here that losing their homes that their lives are in jeopardy. They can't pay their medical bills or pay for drugs. This is not a joke. No. Yeah. Real. And I come from that kind of people who need information. I am. If you didn't know him a black woman. From baltimore. But no, I mean, I understand the need for information. I come from a community that would read the papers about things that affected them when the mainstream news didn't tell us, no information is power information is important. We need to know how things affect us. A we can live our lives for survival. And I remember when you got ahold of story, and it was important to you to people. Listen to you people fall you remember one? It's I wanted to bring up because it was a back story that you might not have known. But you you're I tell me tell me we all remember the Trent Lott thing. Remember Trent Lott when he goes to the strong Thurman hundred birthday. And he says we all Mississippi voted for him and America would have been a better place if we'd elected in nineteen forty on the segregation stick. Yeah. April gets up ask questions about it. Now, the White House line was we accepted his apology. But you didn't let it go. In one of the reasons I wanted to. Remember now, you're all my gosh. And one of the things that was interesting. There was did you sense that there was a disconnect between what the political advisors the Rove's the communications, of course, and what George W Bush, really, George W Bush, and I'll say this to this day, George W Bush had a heart, but the the ideology of the party and those who felt differently led him. I believe in a lot of way on this one was interesting. So even though are you said, oh it settled we've executive order. No. So couple days later, he's he had to go going to Philadelphia. We're gonna speak in front of a group of pastors of religious, you're bringing this all of fresh come on come on in. What happens is we have that meeting every morning eight thirty and then there was a gaggle. And then it was so what happened with us was we had to make a decision on clear, the president need to say something he hadn't said anything yet. And so we had to give advice in so Dan Bartlett took me down to the oval. There's there there are three options for that. They was say into the pool. Make a statement to the pool or say it from the podium now more presidential coming from the podium, but it's also a bigger hit. Okay. And so when we're all back there, and again, you you'd force this to the front, and it was great because and I look me more I love, and I was NBC for NBC guy. Ours Jewish guy from New York Democrat my job, whether it was to give advice to the president. And so my advice was actually take a question from the pool because I knew Trent Lott was going to go down anyway. And did we want to be the would with two wack Dan said, well, no, I don't think he's going to go for that. I talked to him earlier. Let's make a statement to the pool. So we go in the oval gives his vice president comic noises pick up the phone says, Ashley A, get me garrison. And he says I'm doing the podium and Dan starts but the harlot. That you hear me? They turns to me. What do you think? I said, well, sir. I'm not only with Dan. I think I gave my what I just said. And he's guys it's two thousand two Amen. That that in right. That's the George W Bush that I know and in my other book, which book was the presence of three book. No. Yeah. We have to have you back to more time. Now, I know I know five years three books. That's crazy. And I wrote them all know goes, right? Are we by the way, it's sme- as oh you is so April Ryan speak. So look, so so here's the deal. I'll never forget George W Bush talked about race quite a bit. And we talked about Katrina, the George W Bush that was in front of that podium and all that other stuff. I he listed message. Mr President there there before the grace of God go I that could have been meeting, Katrina. I told him that on Air Force One going down. Not only did he hear you. He listened to you. And I remember him talking about that. Later. Yeah. Because here's the what did he say he remembered that you'd said that he said that we messed up. I mean, this was this was probably speaking at school, Mr President, I understand. But it's important that people know because I in my first book people saw him in a different light than what we saw him publicly, and we talked about raising never forget, I couldn't make the second trip to Africa. So they wanted me to include me, and we did a we didn't interview. And before we were going. He was like we talked about race. And we talked about, you know, the overt and subtle racism that was going against Barack Obama. He said it because I couldn't get subtle out. I was I couldn't get. So I said the overt. He's like. Yes. Subtle waisome too. And he said subtle, and we talked about and I never forget in fast forward. Never forget the day after the election when Barack Obama was named president of the United States. You gotta read it in the first book that. Around whatever it was around November. And it was cold though. I'll never forget how cold it was. And there were still balloons from the kids who came around you. Remember that night? That's Martinez crowd on the ground and everything and he was in Oval Office. We were positioned I was positioned right in front of the French doors to be able to see in the Oval Office. And I know it was Steve Hadley was in there. And I forgot who else was in there. But he was not happy about something. He was very angry. And then he was pacing and he saw me in the door. And he did the raise the roof like laughing and the room had just totally changed. And even Steve Hanley looked. It was like, okay unflappable, Mr. Halley, he smiled. So something I never found out. What was going on in that room at that time and he raised the roof? He was I think in his heart. He was happy to see things change absolute. I believe he really was happy about that. Because we've talked about it and. When people see him give Michelle Obama some candy at his father's funeral and give give candy at. I don't know if it was at the memorial wherever it was before. And he fell into her arm several times, that's the George W Bush that I absolutely news. Another store you you covered. I was mixed up in a witness against them. But the Scud against ROY. That was that was a rough time. We'll have to do. I have never been more proud of George W Bush when he left office and decided not to pardon scooter Libby, scooter Libby, scooter Libby, did not deserve apart and say that, but he did not know, but you can say that because he didn't. And I tried to explain to people the difference as if you'd have to between Donald Trump, and George W Bush the fact that Trump in April west year did pardon scooter Libby, what does that say about in terms of getting this was a big fight? Peter Baker wrote a whole book about the fighting between Bush Cheney Cheney they didn't speak for years because in pardon. But that was. Rush you cover that story. I'm going to say this to you, the George W Bush that I knew I mean, if he I think he had he felt he had to go along with Cheney, and he had to go along with Rumsfeld and all those I'm said that Colin Powell got caught up in that. I would call him pal could've stayed you no longer. But you know, I don't know. There are a lot of things. And I'm I guess I'm speaking now as a person, I mean, when you see things from behind the scenes is all there needs to be different voices at the table to bring honesty and truth for all people one of the things about Bush to I think is that he didn't get good advice from some of. That's what I'm saying. It needs to be other people at the table, Shirley, Chisholm the first black woman to run for president in nineteen seventy-two said if you don't have that the table bring a folding chair, then it's a lot more phone into the. Yes, then it's a lot more folding chairs at the table. America is not just one mind. A one thought I think that's right. You mentioned that night that, you know, your third president was Barack Obama. And I know that was an administration that probably spoke to more of the issues that people who listen to you cared about. And you know, what an got in trouble at the beginning. Because I looked at every president the same. I think every president should be held accountable. Did I relish the fat that this was the first black president? Yes, I did as a black woman as a human being as someone who's mother and father never thought that would that would ever happen in this nation, but as a reporter journalist, my job is to ask him the questions surprised by taking fewer. My my mother died before for Obama became president, my father live some people were some people like to watch yourself because people they love him. They love him. I said, you know, I said, but I'm still, but you know, I had a great relationship with with the Obamas. I had a great relationship with George W Bush and the Clintons something's awry here. But. But I mean, they do them. But one thing I can tell you and with spilling the T here. We're not going go. One thing. I can tell you, and I'm gonna say the name wrong Kirk Vassar Kirk ambassador. Former US trade Representative mayor Dallas. Yes. Yes. He was in wonderful, man. He told me one day. It was right after one of the visions tomorrow is being we we're all coming back Assam in the street. This is when everybody would walk in the street, you know, walk around, you know, but it's not like that anymore. I'm I ran into him in the street literally like right in front of Pennsylvania Avenue, and he said to me said is must be. So what do you mean? He said the president was talking about how you're lying shut up. And he's no serious. He said, well, what was he talk about? Who said, you know, someone in the vineyard challenged him about the black press not being tough on him. He said, whoa. Will he said, this is the predecessor, whoa. Wait a minute. That's not true. He said, there's at least one person this tough and she's fair, and that's George. Bush said, and that's what Bill Clinton I'm fair, and that is the highest praise that politician could and should ever pay journalist tough. But fair the late great, Tim russert. That's what he always wanted. Someone say he was tough but fair, I don't have an agenda. I mean, but if you think because I'm asking questions about race when the stats show that we still have the highest numbers of negatives. And almost every category. If you think I'm race better. So what everyone has some issue that they want before the White House to be able to move forward with their lives. And we could talk about you with the Obama administration all day long. But let's I think that's important to get to that two thousand sixteen campaign. And then the book the book undivided where under fire now, I will say when I was listening on the way down one of the audiobook audiobook, Sukran audible because words matter words, matter one of the things I found interesting was a lesson that you taken from watching Hillary Clinton. All yes. A powerful lesson which was that. She took the high wrote she didn't shoot back at which to me is ironic because her husband's campaign in nineteen Ninety-two was all about firing back the way do cock hadn't, and George and Paul Begala and James Carvel genius to wear a t shirt that said speed kills and they would, but she's different. She's very people look at women differently. But you yeah. But you saw that lesson. You said I'm not going to. I'm not I'm not. So Hillary Clinton is now smeared even though we see what's going on or hear about Russia in all that we continue to hear. There's this more investigation. Hillary Clinton is still considered the cook a crooked Hillary, she still considered, you know, some people still scream lock her up. And like I told her in that moment, you gotta read the book or listen to the listen to the listen to the book, I hear that's a great thing. I just don't have time. I need to start listening is that you can do it. When you drive, and you can do it when you're cooking. You can do when you're working all the stuff that you do. As opposed to say down and for me. I don't need to listen to. I lived in. But no, I would I the woman. She has a great voice. I love her. Yeah. I appreciate it. I think it's I think it's amazing audible because there's so many people now like you say, they're busy and a lot of people commute from like, Philadelphia or Virginia long ways. I'm to our to our commute each way to get home from DC. So yes, it's a perfect gift to give someone who is that drive or you yourself or if you're working out so anyway, moving on so Hillary Clinton, she's a woman, and she said, she Quesnel new if she would've fought back how she would have been perceived men don't wanna hear what they consider shrillness. They don't wanna hear, you know. But it's not union. The man was standing behind her stalking her. And to give me my space. This thing called personal space. My kids were taught about personal space when they started school. You know, I don't walk up behind someone, Al. Try that with Bush until he got he got chance. Got buddy get off me. But there was a man that's a man. So I when I one thing as a reporter, we sit and watch you watch you observe and they're always lessons learned, but I said, wait a minute. She never fought back. She never said this is not who I am. Because we were in. We were in that old time the Jairo winds today. Well, people want a spectacle, they'll watch spectacle. Now, they're supported so that changed that is changed when I saw Donald Trump to there. So when I saw Donald Trump bring the women that accused Bill Clinton of sexual improprieties. I said the day is changed, and it has forever changed forever. Yes. Comeback. We're not going back to decorum. There's gotta be a little there's got to be a little street in there. Because the next person who goes up against Donald Trump, his gut to be able to go back at him. And there's only a couple of cannons. I'm not gonna say who it is that I the only couple candidates in this democratic circle right now who act believe who can successfully do the dozens of or go to tit for tat with him and still be able to say, okay. Bam. Bam and then go, yes. And getting back to sit in prison performing. Former sentencing reform are getting back to the Russia issue or getting back to Syria, there only a few people, I believe in this democratic circle of candidates of five thousand that can do this. And I said that sarcastically allot of them coming and they're gonna cancel each other out pretty much, but we'll see the strongest will survive. The reason why the reason why fought because my name is all I have in this business. I've worked too hard and too long. My parents sacrificed for me to be where I am my family. Not just my parents my community, and you're not going to sit up there and call me names, and I'm gonna sit there and take it. 'cause if I take it it's like, that's why. No, I am not what you call me. It's what I answer to. That's what my mother used to tell me. And that's why I'm able to stand and say, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm not a loser. I'm a winner. Because I am such a winner that you ask me that first press conference to get CBC together for meeting with you. So you knew I had some kind of gravitas Somma winter. And I'm also wanna because you put me. In a private meeting setting with your son in law Jared Kushner to talk about sentencing reform, so I'm not the loser that you call me. And then later on. Oh that was a great question. Okay. So anyway, this is like episode six of of the White House reality show. What should we call it? I call it Trump. Stan. I call it Trump because the different country, but so in that campaign, and it was this thing I remember watching at the time and being offended by it. But when Donald Trump would address a black audience or talk to a black and say, what do you have to lose? Yeah. You talk about this in the book, and it's really important part. But as a whole chapter chapter was that a form of voter suppression. I think it was a form of discounting the struggle discounting, the four hundred years of black people have been in this country and just in the last fifty years of finally been franchised in this country, buying homes in places that they want to before fifty years ago you and I wouldn't be able to sit here and talk like this and in many parts of America, I wouldn't be able to go to a hotel off the side of the road. I wouldn't be able to eat in a restaurant and people don't realize that was just fifty years ago four hundred years in this nation and just in the last fifty years, we have freed. Hymns? I'm just fifty one years old. It's telling you a lot. So you're my lifetime with age. So for him to say what he'd have to lose. We got a lot to lose poem back, and we still are community with the highest numbers of negatives. And almost every category is a lot to lose. And I'm not race baiting. Look at the stats people. I was they are not. That's not true. It's put into the interstate or the beltway 's were built to keep certain people in certain people out. It's split communities. They do New York too. So the bright, and and so if you are living somewhere, you don't have proper transportation gets away. You're not going to get the job unemployment. Yes, it's come down. But it's still higher than our white brothers and sisters education. Let's go if you live in a certain community, you're going to get a great education. If you live in another community with zip code, you not it's not gonna be it's not there's not equity in this nation still. Dr king fought for first class citizenship, the marcher who's now a martyr his dream somewhat fulfilled. We got the Voting Rights Act. But now, we're we are voting without the full force of owning. And you wonder what that's about? Well, it was put in place for states like Alabama down south that were doing, you know, putting bubbles in bowls and saying, oh, how many here to allow you to vote now they can't go. There's problems at the polls. We heard about it. In Georgia, Florida, Texas, North Dakota north Cal, so many different states. We are better yet. We're going backwards on. That's right. There's a regression one of the things that again in your book, I found so interesting August of last year round the first anniversary of Charlottesville, president of the end of Lacey pe-, Dirk Johnson. I think unfortunately, we are now looking at an individual in the White House serving the role as president who's not only made racist comments. But he saw. Implemented racist policies. Therefore, I have no other conclusion but to say he's racist. It's not the first time the head of the AA CPI ever called a president states. Really? So and I'm gonna say this. This is bad in twenty nineteen twenty nineteen for you to question if a president will let's say let's go back now that was twenty seventeen Charlottesville twenty eighteen. The beginning of twenty eight teen during the king holiday. I was the one that question about his president races at the end of twenty teen in November right after the midterm elections. You Michel send or got up and ask Mr President. Are you white nationalist? It's a sad day in twenty nineteen twenty eighteen to twenty seventy what anyone has to question if a US president is a racist. Or even say, it why wasn't it a bigger deal when when that happened because to me it's a big deal? Like, you said, and what's amazing isn't just if it doesn't affect you are my by a lot of people feel that way. I don't understand it people are afraid people have been bullied into submission to a certain extent. And some people are okay with it. This is now not an issue of legislating is a heart issue. But he also doesn't deny it. He won't answer your question. And he's now to he's not forced to certain communities are not forcing them to you talked about the birtherism to which I. I think is important and you talk about it that it was never about a birth certificate. And I love your the only person April who's ever spoken written anything about this subject that talks about the birtherism, and then talks about the Ted Cruz thing, and it just intimate thing. Like, why don't they bring this policy? I'm like what? Because here's the thing. Nobody's white nobody ever rack Obama black and his father and memo claim. Yeah. Right in the whole claim from Ted Cruz was that his since his mother was white and American born the United States, even though he was born in Canada, nobody ever disputed, the Barack Obama's mother was a white woman from Kansas. No one's ever people. Forget that. No one's so by the same logic. But Ted Cruz, let me say this he's acceptable because he's a Republican and he's different because his whiteness unfortunate. I've met Ted Cruz twice and interviewed him during the campaign after we both got off of hardball when I used to work at when I was on MSNBC that I'm now CNN see to the end to the end. I don't say four letter words. And I and I saw him at the grid iron. And he just like staring at me. So how're you doing? I'm like you and not in the same boat. Aren't we? I just marvel at the fact that he still has a so some support. But now Ted Cruz he is Barack Obama his really more so than Barack Obama and they allowed born out of the car on the United States, double standard. It's a double standard and people don't talk about that. And I'm glad you're the first person who brought that up again, I policy racism to Cape run out. I it in all this chaos and all the attacks on you. You end your book on a positive note, you say you still have faith in this country. I love the say that your truth is difficult is not easy, but it's an powering and you hope empowering for it's hard to swallow. Sometimes people don't wanna believe it. They think that first of all atom, let me take some people think that slavery was the the slave ships going by Liber. Eighty it wasn't. And they think that they the slaves bar baskets with them people don't realize slavery, the depth of slavery. You know, we watch routes. It was worse than that. We have sanitized was the Hollywood version. Yes, I watched that miniseries. You know, I've I've I've kayaked in the Annapolis harbor and seeing the Alex statue as I kayaked around the million dollar votes in the Annapolis harbor and see that statue, I am five generations removed from the last known slave in my family on my mother's side who sold on the auction block and fit will North Carolina. His name was Joseph dollar Brown. I am probably something he never dreamt about. I am along with many African Americans. We are the lineage of the strongest that survived that middle passage those ships those cramped ships in those bodies chained in the bottoms of the ships while they will bring us to the new land that we. Didn't know to sell us into bondage and to work for free to give people their income their money their wealth. Okay. But I still have hope and I'm gonna tell you why have hope in the midst of it all. I am part of we the people. My brothers part of we the people who are still forming a more perfect union. It took this man over fifty one years ago. He'd be ninety is to die for people to see something's not right. We got it. Right. We can get it, right? Again. This is a heart issue. And sometimes our ignorance, meaning not knowing we are. So afraid of what we don't know. People don't want people think they see me on the street. That's all she's a race baiter. No. That's not the first thing you are talking about. I love all communities, and I love the richness of every community. But I have hope that one day going to get it. Right. It may not be in my lifetime. It may not be my kid's lifetime. But you know, I believe that I can be doing anything that. I wanna be in Sochi children yet. We've got some key Lloyd's some sits and some scars we're going through growing pains we go through growing pains for a long time. But I see I see some. I see promise. And I see I see with George W Bush, and it started this discontentment disease happened around that time, and I believe that's why we got rock Obama people wanted something new system has been broken for a long time and people wanted something new. They didn't know what it was what it looked like what they said. I want something new they had hoping him. And then after he left there were people who still in. This is the problem in Washington and around this nation, people feel like they're not a part of the core there on the edges, and when you're on the edges you you're on extreme you will go to the extreme. And I believe that's why Donald Trump was born out the political Donald Trump was born out of the idea of change. I want something different. It may not be what everybody wants some things are hard to take. It's a big it's it's bigger than horse pill. You gotta dissolve it a little bit put it in that big bottle gallon of water. Let it take a little bit to the time. If you do take it. But I believe that there's a correction of some of that you see now you see more minorities women teachers than saying, I they're believing in what our founding fathers who I'm sure had slaves wrote down. We the people are still forming a more perfect union. That's what I believe if you can be hopeful apron, you are an inspiration for girl from Baltimore. Yes. Question. Four presents three of them. I know what they call me this one. I don't know the name he calls me. But it's okay role model. Amen. I am proud to call you, my friend. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. 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White House directs staff to wear face masks in the West Wing
"President trump does not appear to be too concerned about the recent White House. Kroto Virus Scare Wall speaking to reporters at the Rose Garden. The president defended the precautionary measures in place. I think you know we have a lot of people at the White House and we had one basically. We had one person so we had a lot of people that work here. This building is shocking. If you looked at the numbers and it's Also tremendous numbers of people coming in. Normally you wouldn't do that but because we're running a country. We want to keep our country running so we have a lot of people coming in and out Many of those people most of those people tested depending on what portion of the Oval Office area? They're going in everybody coming into the president's office gets tested. Despite Mr Trump's aparent effort to show off the risk the White House as requiring everyone who enters the west wing to wear a mask or face covering according to the new directive staff will be allowed to remove their face coverings if they sit at least six feet apart from their colleagues?
White House infighting complicates response to impeachment inquiry
"Good morning. I'm James Home from the Washington Post and this is the daily to of Tuesday November twelve. Today's News Komo. Jimmy Carter is in the hospital for brain procedure. Divall Patrick is laying the groundwork to run for president and it is really air strike on Gaza just killed Hilda Senior Jihadism Off First the big idea. The White House's bifurcated did and disjointed response to the impeachment inquiry has been fueled by a battle between acting chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and White House counsel Pat Sipa Loney Mulvaney urged aides not to comply with the inquiry and blocked any cooperation with congressional Democrats top political aides at the Office of Management and Budget legit which Mulvaney previously lead have fallen in line with his defiant stonewalling stance. Malvinas Office blames SIP. Aloni for not doing more to stop other government officials from participating in the impeachment inquiry as a number of State Department officials diplomats and even an aide to vice president pence have given sworn testimony before Congress Sipalawini meanwhile has fumed that Mulvaney only made matters worse with October seventeenth news conference when he publicly acknowledged a quid pro quo essentially confirming democratic accusations in front of television cameras. Simple owner did not want Mulvaney to hold that news conference a message that was passed along to the Acting Chief of staff the office according to two senior trump advisors but a mulvaney AIDS has a team of White House. Lawyers prepared him for the news conference and never said he shouldn't do it. Neither moving nor SIPALAWINI has brought experience navigating White House through such a tumultuous period but their actions have contributed to the government's increasingly tenuous response to the impeachment inquiry as public hearings are set to begin tomorrow despite the high stakes. The White House has moved slowly to hire a staff specifically dedicated to working on the issue. A concern that's been expressed to the White House by several Republican senators. Another dispute that has meant Mulvaney Baloney or hardly on speaking terms emerged over the potential hiring of former congressman. Trey Goudy the Republican from South Carolina. Who made a name for himself? Leading the GOP's inquest into the handling of the Benghazi Massacre Kerlin joining twelve. Mulvaney advocated for hiring his former house colleague and longtime friend but simple ONI was strongly opposed some hill. Republicans more aligned with Mulvaney. Were not pleased and have accused SIP looney of being territorial behind the scenes they wanted gouty the lead the cross examination for trump in the senate a role SIP Baloney Said said to want for himself. Trump is complained about his legal team to White House officials in advisers in recent weeks saying they need to be much more aggressive in defending him at the same time trump was also been complaining about Mulvaney blaming him for his political troubles and toying with the idea of replacing him. It hasn't helped that. Republicans on Capitol Hill are talking about trying to make Vini the fall guy to save the president. It's created a very tense atmosphere in the West Wing. Some administration officials complain. That Sipa Loni is not kept Mulvaney and other White House offices in the loop on key decisions simple in his office. For example released that transcript of the July twenty fifth phone call with trump and his Ukrainian counterpart that was a move that Mulvaney apparently according to Mulvaney people opposed neither the acting chief of staff nor some members of the White House Press Office knew in advance that the call was going to be released and now the breaking news overnight is that Mulvaney has withdrawn a last minute effort to join any law suit filed by former National Security Advisor. John Bolton's top deputy Charlie Kupperman Mulvaney said he will file his own lawsuit focused on the same underlying question action. must he testify as part of Congress's impeachment inquiry amazingly what that means is that trump is listed as a co defendant in a lawsuit lawsuit brought by the White House Chief of staff. This is historically unprecedented. Kupperman in a filing earlier in the day on Monday opposed Mulvaney request to join his lawsuit lawsuit also seeking a determination about whether he should comply with the White House order not to testify or evaluate congressional subpoena to appear the two former national security aides Bolton and Kupperman are very angry that mulvaney tried to join their lawsuit. They were caught off guard by it. They perceive Mulvaney as a key participant. Awesome it in. Trump's alleged conspiracy coerce the Ukrainian government to investigate Joan Hunter Biden Bolton AIDS have testified in recent weeks before Congress that the former National Security Advisor derisively referred to the Ukrainian proposal as a drug deal and White House officials say that Bolton Mulvaney were barely on speaking terms when Bolton was pushed out of his post in September three new deposition transcripts were released last night that also undercut a key line line of defense that trump and his aides have been using senior. US officials told house impeachment. Investigators that Ukrainian leaders were well aware that nearly four hundred million dollars in congressionally congressionally approved security. Assistance had been frozen before that information became public trump and his defenders have argued that the administration couldn't have leveraged the security assistance to procure a pledge from Kiev to investigate his political rivals because they say Ukraine officials didn't know the money was being withheld. Couldn't have been a quid pro quo. They said that Ukraine didn't find out until late August when politico reported it was being held up. But according to sworn testimony from Catherine craft or Ukraine specialist in the State Department the Ukrainians Crean's found out very early on that the funds had been frozen. They found out closer to July eighteenth when the O. M. B. put the hold at trump's behest on the money and that's the big idea here are three other headlines it should be on your radar number one former president. Jimmy Carter was hospitalized late last night for eight emergency procedure to relieve growing pressure on his brain. This pressure was triggered by bleeding. Eating in the brain caused by some recent falls and the procedure is scheduled for later. This morning he's at emory university hospital. Right now with his wife Rosalyn waiting for the operation Russian to begin last month. Carter was hospitalized with a minor pelvic fracture after falling in his Georgia home. The ninety five year old fell on October sixth just days before his birthday and required stitches above his left eyebrow. He's our longest living former president number two former Massachusetts Governor Duval Patrick who's been cashing in at Bain capital since leaving office in two thousand fifteen is seriously considering a last minute entry to the presidential race. Patrick Call Joe Biden last week and he's been talking on the phone with other Democratic officials to tell them that he's seriously considering such move he's been saying he doesn't think any of the candidates have established enough momentum to win and Unite Liberals and Moderates Patrick and some of his top advisors had a meeting on Sunday at his house in Boston to discuss what a campaign would look like the New York. Times was the first to report on that meeting but we've confirmed that it happened as one of the first and really only black governors in. US history. He could prove who've really formidable in South Carolina where more than half of the Democratic Electric will be African American. If he's to compete in New Hampshire though in the first primary he needs to decide before Friday. That's the filing deadline to appear on the ballot. In February no exceptions that will force his hand or I guess he could always get New Hampshire but a new Quinnipiac University poll released yesterday. Shows that no one really is in a truly commanding position especially in New Hampshire. Joe Biden's at the top of the pack but only twenty percent of Democratic primary voters up in new in Hampshire back him compared to sixteen percent for Elizabeth Warren fifteen percent for you to judge and fourteen percent for Bernie Sanders. No other candidates come into double digits in the poll and most is people say they're still willing to change their mind. That's a fluid race and that's why Patrick is looking into it number. Three big news from Jerusalem overnight overnight Israeli security forces killed a senior leader of the militant Palestinian group Islamic Jihad in a targeted airstrike in the Gaza Strip at around four thirty am local time that sparked a rain of retaliatory rocket fire from the enclave. And it's raising fears of escalating reprisals warning sirens sounded in multiple notable Israeli population centers including tel-aviv sending thousands to shelters rockets struck highways buildings and vehicles schools workplaces and public transportation were cancelled cancelled in large areas of south and central Israel. More than fifty rockets were launched in at least one resonance in an office building were hit according to the army. The army says that twenty rockets have been intercepted. Several minor injuries were reported including an eight year old girl who was reportedly in stable condition after losing consciousness during the barrage in in Syria meanwhile state media reports an attack about the same time struck the house a second leader of Palestinian Jihad. Who's living in Damascus? Those reports say say that leader acronym all jewelry was not injured but his son and one other person was killed while ten more were wounded. Israel is declining to confirm that second report but but in Gaza Israeli Defense Forces say they targeted Baha Abu All Oughta the commander who is responsible for several previous previous rocket launches and has been blamed for some recent attacks on Israelis. These really say they needed to act because they had intelligence saying that his next attack was imminent in a statement. The group Palestinian Islamic imagery hot confirms that Abu Allah and his wife were killed on his profile has been rising. Recently in fact one Israeli general was quoted just last week calling him a greater threat emanating knitting from Gaza than the overnight action was approved by Prime Minister. Benjamin Netanyahu Bennigan's the former army chief of staff. WHO's now the head of a major political party trying to form form? A coalition government to replace be was also informed in advance in brought into the loop about the operation and he's issued a statement of support. The Israeli army is is mobilising embracing for days of hostilities and preparing for widespread retaliation so keep an eye on the region. And that's the daily a two. Oh two for Tuesday November twelfth. Thanks for listening. I'm James Holman. If you WANNA get more news about the impeachment inquiry you can subscribe to a new podcast feed from the The Washington Post all of our audio updates on the inquiry or in one place including the latest from the daily to choose big idea. Can he do that and post reports. It's updated dated. Whenever News happens you can subscribe at Washington Post Dot com slash podcast? I'll talk to you tomorrow
White House plays down coronavirus threat.
"Coming up on five minute news. Seven date as corona virus measures trigger prison. Riots across Italy White House says business as usual trump place down corona virus threat and UK must consider deal. Trade-offs says Vonda Leeann. It's Tuesday march ten. I'm Anthony Davis. Seven prisoners have died as riots spread through crowded jails across. Italy over measures imposed to contain the corona virus. Inmates many angered by restrictions on family visits went on the rampage and started fires from Sunday into Monday will forty said in one prison. Inmates took guards hostage and in another some escaped Monday afternoon. Violence that started at the heart of the corona virus outbreak in northern Italy had spread south hitting more than twenty-five penitentiaries nationwide. The biggest rebellion began on Sunday in a prison in the northern town of Medina. Some died from overdoses of drugs. They had stolen from prison clinic. A justice ministry source said without giving details on what had caused the other fatalities. Italian media said about fifty inmates managed to escape from jail in the southern city for Gaza. The majority were rapidly captured. But by nightfall nine prisoners was still missing. Italy's prisons are among the most overcrowded in Europe. It reported a big jump in the number of people who have tested positive for the corona virus bringing the total to nine thousand one hundred seventy two cases and four hundred sixty three deaths more than any country except China. Us President Donald Trump blamed a fight for oil market share between Saudi Arabia and Russia as well as unspecified fake news for a significant drop in. Us stock prices yesterday amid sliding demand for crude due to the corona virus on Monday major US stock indices dropped seven percent with the Dow Jones industrial average plummeting. Two thousand points. After oil prices slumped as much as twenty two percent in a separate tweet. He downplayed the impact of the virus. Comparing the number of American lives. It has taken to the greater number of deaths from seasonal influenza. Making it clear he himself hasn't been able to intellectualize the significance of corona virus the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has advised elderly and unwell Americans to avoid crowds in order to limit the impact of the virus. But the White House said it was business as usual as the seventy three year old. Donald Trump attended a fundraising event in Florida unlike flew the current outbreak concerns a new virus. For which there is no vaccine and no natural immunity in the population. Kovic nineteen has only just begun to spread in the US. Nancy Massani a head of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases said more than five hundred cases of the virus had been reported in thirty four states and Washington DC. As of Sunday night nineteen people had died eighteen of them in Washington state with the other fatality in California. According to the World Health Organization around one hundred six thousand cases and around three thousand five hundred deaths have been confirmed worldwide. This seems to be a disease that affects adults and most seriously older adults Massoni said. Starting at age sixty there is an increasing risk of disease and the risk increases with age despite reports of an attendee at the recent conservative political action conference near Washington falling sick with corona virus off to interacting with senior Republicans including the Texas Senator Ted Cruz. The White House denied reports that the nation's top officials would change their routine. Jeremy Konin Dyke who is head of foreign disaster assistance led the Obama Administration's response to the Abo- around break in West Africa said on twitter. I cannot overstate how risky it is to be exposing the president of the United States to events like this right now. The U K should consider the trade offs that is willing to make in a post brexit deal European Commission President Seila von d'alene says she said the close of the UK's access to the single market which it is leaving the more it must adhere to e you rules but UK Cabinet Minister. Michael Grove said the UK would regain its economic and political independence. And any deal would need to reflect that reality. Both sides agreed that differences remained after last. Week's trade talks the UK once a Canada's style. Free Trade Agreement while Brussels code for a closer relationship. Boris Johnson said if the U does not get a deal similar to the e U Canada agreement then trade would have to be based on World Trade Organization rules meanwhile the UK has also plans to leave the European aviation safety regulator by the end of the year causing much criticism from the aviation industry industry body. Ads which represents the UK's aerospace business said being part of the EASA was the best option in order to maintain competitiveness and that. It was disappointed. In THE GOVERNMENT'S APPROACH. Power was will revert to the UK. Civil Aviation Authority. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred podcast APP. Ask Your Smart Speaker or enable five minute news as your Amazon Alexa. Flash BRIEFING SCALE VISIT US online at five minute. Dot News five minute. News is an independent production covering politics inequality health and climate delivering unbiased verified and truthful World News daily.
Deception and Distraction in the White House
"We expect a lot from our homes. They're more than a place to hang your hat there where you try your hand at Gardening and new recipes where you rest and recharge where you work and play and that's why at homeadvisor or committed to keeping your home up and running whether you need to repair and overloaded appliance or you're looking to create a backyard. Retreat worthy of a summer station used the homeadvisor APP day or night and we'll find a local pro to get the job done right whatever you need. We'll do everything to fix your well. Everything download the homeadvisor APP. To get started. A lot of good things have come out about the hydroxy. A lot of good things have come out and you'd be surprised at how many people are taking it especially the front line workers. I happen to be taken it. I happen to be taking it because I think it's a lot of good stories and if it's not good I'll tell you right doctor to get hurt by it so I'm taking the to the zinc and the hydroxy and all I can tell you is so far. I seem to be okay. That of course president trump yesterday telling reporters that he's been taking a malaria drug as a preventative. Measure Against Corona virus. An unproven treatment experts. Say could actually have dangerous side effects L. Everyone I'm CNN. Washington correspondent Ryan Nobles in again for David Chalian and this is the daily DC another grim milestone in the corona virus fight the US yesterday topping one point five million cases and ninety thousand deaths but the focus at the White House yesterday was on President. Trump's latest muddying of the medical waters the latest in a series of distractions conspiracy theories and clear attempts to change the subject to emerge from the West Wing to break down all this. We're GONNA be joined today by White House reporter Steven Collins in. He'll join us in a few minutes. But first for more on the president and his conspiracy. Theories is our fact checker. Daniel who always very busy Daniel. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me all right. So let's talk now about President trump and this claim that he kind of just out of the blue yesterday that he is taking this. Malaria drug called hydroxy chloroquine. Very impressed with myself that I got that pronunciation correct on the first attempt. Which of course in unproven preventative treatment for Corona virus with serious potential side effects. Daniel this is something that a lot of right wing media. Commentators have been promoting kind of a a magic cure all to a certain extent to fight the corona virus. It's something the president himself has touted for quite some time. But what can you tell us? What are the facts about the studies? That have been done on this drug's effectiveness so there are a whole bunch of studies and you have to forgive me if I missed one or two. Because they're coming out from around the world. But in general the major studies that we've reported on have shown that hydrochloric win has not had a significantly positive effect in treating patients who are infected with the corona virus. Some of the studies have suggested that there may even be harm for example. There was a study of patients at the. Va veterans that found significantly higher death rate among people who did take the drug. Then people who didn't we had another study that found that while the death rates were similar. There's a significantly higher rate of cardiac arrest for people who had taken the drug. I should caution that there are a whole bunch of studies still underway. We still have a lot to learn about this drug so this is not me. Definitively saying it doesn't work or it's GonNa be a whole bunch of people but but it is clear at this point that we do not have hard evidence that it is effective or that it is safe for corona virus patients in. I would assume that the lack of studies associated with the drug's effectiveness would mean that maybe it's not a good idea for the president of the United States to be using it particularly as a preventative measure. What the study's tell us about that? We do not have evidence that this works to prevent corona virus infections. It just doesn't exist. And trump's argument has been that this drug has been previously approved for other purposes for malaria for arthritis and for Lubis. And therefore we know it's not gonNA kill you if you take it for this purpose for Cova but that's not true for everyone you know if the FDA itself has worn of significant safety risks for people take it for the corona virus. Just because it's been around for decades for other stuff doesn't mean it's necessarily safer. Everyone here as Daniels outlying. There's no significant scientific evidence that there is any effective treatment for krona verse or Preventive Measures for virus with hydroxy chloroquine but still daniel the president of the United States. Saying that he himself is taking this drug. What does that worry you about as a fact checker? Well I'd say you know as a fact checker. I'm not usually providing facts that could save someone from significant harm. You know trying to deter significant harm. I'm trying to get people information but in this case the President keeps saying what I just said that we know it's safe for us for the corona virus. Because it's been around. It worries me as a human being than fact checker that you know people who trust the president will accept that when we know. That's not true and you know we know there's FDA warnings we know there's all these studies but the fact is that the president has a much bigger megaphone than the FDA or scientists who are publishing studies. So it concerns me number one that people are GonNa take something that may not be safe for them and number two we've had reporting at CNN for my calling. Marshall Cohen and others about how the president's promotion of this drug has led to shortages for people who do need it because it's proven essential for their ailments and so I'm you know concerned that the president saying he's taking it now that's more than promoting it will cause inadvertent harm to other patients. Yeah there's no doubt that the weight and the actions of a president really have a huge impact on the way that average Americans conducted their own behavior. Because the president has such an important bully. Pulpit now you did a great video online. Everybody should check it out. It's on your twitter. Page already. Tweeted as well where you discuss. What you call. President Trump's signature dishonesty patterns. Kata the president's efforts to distract from the virus response whether it's as conspiracy theory about President Obama or blaming his predecessor. Going after China. Or even this pronouncement about this particular drug. How does that fit this pattern? That you've outlined. Well he has a whole bunch of patterns. I think this fits with a couple of them. One is what I called in in video. The twist in showed so we'll take a kernel of truth and he'll twisted beyond recognition and then he'll shout that inaccurate twisted version very loudly and drown out. You know whatever truth was underlying it so here you know with Obama with the FBI. We do have concerns. From Inspector General for example about FBI errors sloppiness their issues with how the FBI conducted the Russia investigation trump because trump turns that into an Obama. Criminal conspiracy is dishonesty maximalist. The biggest possible version of the claim is the one that trump promotes. And then I think with hydrochloric when he's not someone bound by evidence on anything. He's proud of how he goes with his gut. He's talked about how he goes with his got over his brain and he goes with sources that he trusts maybe because they appeared on Fox News even if they're not objectively the best sources. Yeah well Daniel thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it. Thank you and we're GONNA be right back with more on this particular topic with White House reporter Steven Collins said you're listening to the DC US bank. Thanks you for going to work and for staying home for treating patients and having patients for being on the front lines while having our backs. Thanks for working together and playing. Podcasts you love. Us Bank can't thank you enough but we can do our part. That's why we have donated millions to help our customers. Employees and communities need equal housing lender member. Fdic we're back now with CNN White House reporter Steven Collins. Who's written a lot of great pieces about the president and his messaging over the past few weeks Stephen. Let's start with where things stand right now. We talked about this earlier in the podcast. We've just crossed one point. Five MILLION CASES OF CORONA VIRUS. Ninety thousand deaths and here. The president is out there. Talking about this unproven drug from your vantage point. What exactly is happening here. I think Ryan. There's a couple of things going on first of all of us. We have this tragic backdrop. The you mentioned and the country now is transitioning from trying to beat this virus to trying to live with it and all the political implications of that now. The president of course operates INNOVA Scottish shop. Mana we've seen him trying to distract from his own handling of the virus for the last several weeks and in some ways this hydroxy chloroquine issue is part of that but I think it also tells us something very interesting about the president himself as Daniel was saying he comes from a very conspiratorial mindset. I think he actually wants to believe that. This treatment works. He's invested a lot in it politically. It would suit him perfectly. If a study came along and said that well actually a hydroxy. Chloroquine DOES PREVENT CORONA virus developing into covert nineteen. That would be a massive political win for the president. This something else here as well. Though and I think perhaps gets to the sense of the president's own vulnerability. He said he started taking this drug a week and a half ago. That was about the same time as we had those revelations that the corona virus actually penetrated into the west wing of valid of the president spokeswoman for Vice President Mike Pence were diagnosed with the virus if the president and his doctor have decided that it's worth the risk for him to take this drug that the chances of side effects are in fact less than the chance of him getting very sick or potentially dying if he were infected with corona virus given the you know he's in a high risk group in his seventies perhaps a little overweight and with a history of heart disease. I think that says something very profound about exactly where we are and the vulnerability of everyone not least the president of the United States to infection. It's interesting you point out Steven. He obviously has to have some level of concern about his risk of exposure given the number of people in the West Wing that have tested positive for corona virus. But yet he seems to ignore all these basic prevention techniques that his own administration is promoting for instance Not Shaking hands. He has yet to where a mass and now. He's touting this malaria drug which even the FDA has warned about why is he making such a stand with his personal health and Wisey doing it in this form and fashion. I think a lot of this is down to politics and the presence character first of all. It's clear that the president wants to get the country moving as quickly as possible notwithstanding the huge economic toll on the need to get you know thirty million Americans back to work. Some kind of economic rebound may be the golden key to his reelection. So he's really wanting to move from this period of lockdown a no economic activity to some kind of return to normality. That's one reason why he is constantly downplaying. The threat of a resurgence of the violence. He's basically saying the country is safe to open up but then we get to the presence own political profile. One of the most interesting things about this commander in chief as he ran as an outsider and a lot of people believe the the weight of the presidency was on his shoulder. He would change. He would change his style to fit the traditional perceptions of how a president will behave. He sees his roots reelection as keeping that bond with his political base voted for him because he was an anti-establishment insurgent. He is showing by not wearing a mask that he stands a little as Americans in the heartland who don't believe establishment scientists like. Dr Anthony Fauci. Who believe the first of all this whole corona virus issue is something that affects big liberal cities on the coasts much less in the country but it's a philosophical thing. He showing people that he's not one of those people that even though he is the head of the government shot the down he is trying to play both sides. Which is kind of ironic. Because that's exactly what last week accused Dr Anthony out trying to yeah? It's incredible mixed messaging to. Have you know his government issue? These warnings for folks telling them that they should be wearing masks in public all the time but yet the president himself was put himself in a number of different public settings. When we know that he is at least Ben in the same room with folks that have been diagnosed with corona virus. Still basically ignore that guidance is just a very interesting issue between these two sides. Now you actually wrote a great piece about how the administration the President himself has actually kept his own health under wraps route his presidency not just during the corona virus pandemic a you know we all remember back during the campaign when he had his eccentric. Dr Issue a one page letter just talking wonderfully about his health status. I mean tell us more about the broader implications about a person who is as important as president trump not being fully transparent about his health. This is not just a normal citizen deciding to take hydrochloric. This is the presence of the United States. There are serious national security implications always with the presence health which is one reason. Why White House is often go above and beyond in giving information about a presence annual physicals for example that dates back. I think in many ways to the presidency of Ronald Reagan when there were a lot of questions about whether Reagan after he was shot and then with various ailments through his second term was actually fit to hold the office of the presidency in many cases so this White House of course in line with the presence desire to prevent transparency has been very sparing with those details when the president had his first annual physical. There was that rather strange news conference with Ronnie Jackson who was then the White House physician who basically gave him a glowing bill of health. Even though the result of the exam did show the president suffers from a common form of heart disease which is not unusual in a man of his agent physicality but the White House. Is You know really not being keen to give out details. There was an interesting occasion last. Yeah the weekend. When the president made announced visit to hospital which caused a great deal of mystery the White House at that point came out rather unconvincingly saying that he had a SPA afternoon. He just decided to get a jump on half of his annual physical. So you know. There are many many questions about the president's health if the president is taking a drug that the FDA says is dangerous. That's not just an issue for him. It's an issue for the country and could ultimately you know impinge on his performance. These are real questions and they also have pushed the White House physician into a difficult position. He's professional skill and his professional ethics in prescribing this drug apparently at the urging of the present against FDA recommendations also raises all sorts of questions about the quality of the medical care that the president is getting and that is an issue for the country. just president trump. So Stephen I want you to listen to what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told. Cnn last night about the president's decision to start taking this drug take. Listen He's our president and I would rather he not be taking something that has not been approved by scientists especially in his age group and in his show say wait. Group peds it but is morbidly obese. They say so. I think it's not a good idea. I Imagine Steve. And this is one of those moments where you'd want to be a fly on the wall when President trump is watching Nancy. Pelosi make these comments to see what his reaction is in the moment because he already a does not think too. Kindly Nancy Pelosi and to hear her. Describe HIM AS MORBIDLY OBESE Must not have been met With a very kind response. Was it appropriate for the speaker of the House to declare a President? Trump morbidly obese. That really do anything to further this conversation while it didn't do anything for the civility of politics in the United States and I think it's testament to the absolutely fractured relationship between the president and the speaker which was only worsened by the whole impeachment. Saga I think had the president said something about that. His opponents there would be an uproar but of course the president says things that about his opponents all the time. So you know. I don't think we should lose too much sleep on that. I think what this does show of course is the way in which the speaker constantly tweaks the president tries to get under his skin of all the Washington powerbrokers. She has been the most successful. I think in annoying the president getting him to react in a very angry man. There've been a number of showdowns between them personal showdowns. We have the kind of theater of the state of the Union addresses where Nancy Pelosi fake clapped the president and tore up his speech at the end of his last appearance in the house. So you can see there is a great deal of bad blood between them and I think you know one of the interesting things about this crisis is that despite that the White House and the Democratic House majority on the issue of crucial economic recovery legislation have been able to work together. That's laws due to the efforts of the Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. I can't remember a going back into history. I think we have to go a long way back to find such a publicly Vicious relationship between the presence of United States and the House Speaker you described that perfectly. This is just what has become the norm and it shows. It's just one example of the toxic relationship between those two important leaders and why it's difficult for them to get a lot accomplished Stephen Collins and thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it and especial thanks to our listeners. As well remember we publish new episode every weeknight. So please subscribe on your favorite podcast APP. While you're there. Please consider leaving a rating or a comment. It helps people find the show. And if you want to tweet about this podcast first of all. Please do let us what you think about what we talked about today. And when you do so use the Hashtag the daily DC. Stay safe say healthy. I'm Ryan Nobles in for David Chalian and we will see you tomorrow. We expect a lot from our homes. 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BONUS: Shadow White House Briefing (Preview)
"And. Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart. Welcome to a special bonus edition of words matter. I'm Adam LeVine. Katie's on a sinement she'll be back next week. So Joe tell us about the shadow White House briefing. Well, it really kind of started as a lark as I think everyone is aware or should be aware. Sarah Sanders, who's the White House press secretary is not held a briefing now and over two months. I have a lot of familiarity with the briefing room having been there about two hundred and fifty times taking questions, and you know, I I went through a series of emotions of jealousy that she didn't have to brief, and then really bordering on outrage that this important thing is not being done. And I was sitting talking to some friends one night in one of them said why don't you just do your own? And I said, well, how would I do my own? And they said Twitter, I thought why not just do my own and we were literally sitting around Saturday night at our dinner table. And I said that's an interesting idea. She said, no, no, take the computer out right now. And we took the computer out and started and did it a couple times for fun. Got a good response. So I started this week doing a regular. I call shadow briefing. It's fun and important. I'll take the fun part. I I get to answer questions the way I look at some of the outrageous things Trump administration's does I also get play out a little game. We used to play in my office as we're getting ready for the briefing, which was you could say anything you can answer this. Anyway, how would you answer it? And we won't get their best answer none of them, which we could use. And this is a little form where I can just use the best answer. I can think of that's the fun part of the important part is even if it's just to a small audience, it's surfacing the important questions, it servicing, the things that on a daily basis. The White House should be addressing on any given day when the papers are talking about massing hundreds of thousands of troops and the White House and the Pentagon are both absent in that conversation. It should be pointed out that they are absent in that conversation. And at if they don't wanna engage and defend their position people should get in and and defined it for them. So it's a very small effort to do that. It has a serious purpose. Wouldn't do it? If it didn't have a series purpose. I also wouldn't do it. If it wasn't a little bit of fun too. And the thing that kills me. That would just bugs me when I watch Sarah Sanders is when she does deign to do a briefing, she gets about ten minutes. And if it gets tough, she sort of closes the book and says, okay, I've got to go to something goodbye and walks out. They don't have the sense at all that the press is part of the process, and that the press is not just an important part of the process, but there's an obligation to include them in it. There's part of me the, thanks. I'm glad she's never walk into that room again, because she you know, she dishonors the room she dishonors James Brady who the rooms named after and dishonors the the tradition that's been passed along between Republicans and Democrats. Men and women smart people in not so smart, people true towers and avails, but we've all had a sense of respect for the room and the people in it, and it is totally gone. And that's too bad. And that's mostly a disservice to the American public. So there's a void. And you're gonna step in as a as a former White House press secretary, and you're gonna try to at least ceremonially fill that void talk about what you're gonna do. There are questions that need to be surfaced. That are not being surfaced. At least the public can't see them. I'm not I'm not criticizing in any way. The White House. Press corps. They are pushing hard as they can every day. But we don't get to see it. I think a lot of people think will what's the press doing? They're not asking the questions anymore. They are we just don't get to see it's being done in the shadows of of the White House grounds. So I think a big part of this is surfacing the important questions. Surfacing the hypocrisy in. Some of the proposals and things get said putting some historical context on things that get on. But doing in a way that highlights will of you won't answer. It I want to for you. And you're not going to like my answer. Because my answer is going to be the cold hard truth. Thank you. For listening to words matter. Please rate and review words matter on apple podcasts and other podcasts providers.