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Richmond Punk With Beau of Avail [Part 1]
"On this episode we had bo from avail come and we had so much fun that we went very long on the episode to the point where we went to two hours during the conversation now instead love doing a lot of cutting. We decided to actually release this as a two parter. So what we're gonna do is around the time that we normally go to break on the episode which is around. I think the forty minute marker so that's going to go ahead and be the end of part one of this episode. We're gonna throw in some information about some shows and events that we're doing in town at the the end and that'll be the end of it now. We're not gonna make you wait a week or anything for the second part a couple days after part one releases. We'll have part two available on the same stream so you're not gonna have to wait too long before you can hear the second half which should be a little over an hour of conversation with bell about avail about richmond punk all the stuff. It's it's a really good conversation and we didn't wanna cut out more than we absolutely needed to so enjoy a supersized episode geeks of the influence into not apart for this week onto the show the views and opinions expressed on geeks or the influence or that of the panelists and none of our sponsors answers amazon dot com and t public parental discretion is advised so softly in racing hands and white claws and no munches. That's where we're going so basically literally the most punk rock that you can possibly be at our age raising hands and white claw me me ten years ago. I'd be going hard with some check udalls do are you immediately regretted coming down. It's it's telling me don't care bringing over in like today. I was like maybe i shouldn't get white cloth funnier for it right. I mean shit all the time. We're not doing wrong right. I am the guy that wear the shirt to the yet. That's a order line wearing the shirt of the band. You're going to see like too fat for the other local bands shirts up from the ninety s cba back in the days. It was cool aware that mike when i was growing up it was cool. You had a shirt because you couldn't there was no online sales. You had to go see the fucking band to get the shirt right yeah sometimes on the shirt at the show. I mean if you had like i saw this is the dumbest reference ever. I saw ludicrous east twice and they were fucking shit both time really however their shirts were fucking genius. So the second time i wore i went to see him. I wore the most people are dick's toward shirts. I remember i was fucking awesome and people kabuki nowadays. You look like a fucking dick if you do that through it all started with that movie which me piven who can't wear the shirt of the band. You're going to see that. That was an exactly you know that was filmed in canada and my wife's older sister is in that fucking movie notion as an extra anything but it's kinda cool to be like her older sister. George clinton is that she's into the white female canadian version of george okay so basically the same total right yeah absolutely i would pay top dollar. I would pay top dollars perfect. That sounds like the best lead into introduced. Here's the white canadian version of george clinton. Yeah absolutely yeah right yeah miss that got him it. So what do we do now. We are going to be talking about a punk. Rock is what we're gonna do a little bit about that one or two bands. Maybe you've heard before yeah. We are going to be talking about richmond punk rock on this episode of geeks under the influence one one of the first nerd democrat. I really got into was punk rock. I grew up in southern california so i definitely came from a different scene of punk rock than here in richmond yeah so as i'm grown up in san diego oh listening to all those bands and doing that shit. There's this little town in virginia that has this like blowing up punk rock scene in the in the late eighties going into the ninety nineties. Yeah yeah early was nuts. Yeah and i was actually a big fan of avail. When i was out in california before i even had a dream of moving virginia period and so that was a dream who've nightmare careful wording with that yes please personally. I moved to richmond literally the second back into last day. The twisters was open so i moved into the sixteen hundred block of grey streets over burning couch block sixteen sixteen grace under shit. Yeah i mail houses in sixteen forty really day day <hes> but yeah i had this little shitty studio apartment just like everybody in the neighborhood and i would walk down and the last night was open. It was a got the kickoff night. Probably women was at revelations or something big and i went down there being like well. Technically i lived in richmond win twisters with open two days so take me back in the early ninety s hired before you moved here. Twisters would have free shows every monday and i saw insane i saw i saw the jesus lizard for free. I saw him fucking coal for free. I saw smashing pumpkins for free him. Damn dude. I saw squeezy crazy bands and i remember me and tim went to go see hole and we didn't really know anything about him. Except there was a girl singer like yeah it was real. 'cause it just should go girl singer. Okay yeah i dig girls say get from the bands and we're sitting just kind of busy and we're looking. They're looking. She's got a fucking a big dress on and being all fucking <unk> fringe people grunge was cool and she liked kicks her foot and she's not wearing any underwear and i'm straight just that is and all of you guys like nineteen twenty years old right so like seeing a fucking bear gooch was a thing i mean it's still exciting. Now you know the opposite feeling most of us in the early avail shows when you would get naked and get on the rafters got fucking remember. I don't remember any coaches from back then so fuck you in your pitas flagged through the air jumping riled hopefully silicon. Yes it's done. It's not orderly. Ecstasy's me king's king okay yeah. I knew ex. Wow i know right now today. I don't think anybody's made mention. I think it's like i sorta got i listened to you is podcast before you guys didn't go anywhere near as weird referenced already didn't you did not listen to enough and also buckle up because coverage is beginning to file ourselves on his episode the more open the topic the the wiler again. We're all excited because it's the way we got both from avail here to talk talk about richmond punk rock not just a veil but we're gonna talk about the the the shows that you guys did in richmond shows that are coming up as well in philly jersey new york and boston. I think is what you guys up up yet <hes> new jersey new york boston. That's okay. I remember but it's like back and forth yeah so those are coming up in september. I'm just three weeks now. He's taste like jersey philly new york boston. I don't i don't i dance richmond's favorite cheerleader into <hes> only chilly talk about richmond punk rock scene back in the day bam's that are kind of coming up now just about the whole thing and <hes> filter realtor union show so welcome to episode one sixty nine. I'm anne burke cabinet. <hes> all right yeah so introduce everyone of course already the both here like you need introduced if you're unfamiliar with with vo <hes> from avail then why are you listening to an episode about richmond punk rock. Basically you guys have like radio voices. I sound like i got my fingers in my nose so let's ask but it would be a little higher later on in the episode pitch starts going. Yes star wiggling in there a a little bit and i drove here. All of us got a chance on the saturday. Show guys did a plug for us. Which i appreciate tate holy shit we were talking after the show that like that was reminiscent of the old like ninety. S show everybody everybody that fell in the pit where immediately helped up. Uh shoe came off somebody. You'd hold it up until i mean there's that community kind of feeling. It was really really cool like i had a friend that i've known for fucking twenty five years and she said what was it like to give that many people like joy and i was like that's fucking stupid like jewelry. Come on now. That's just dumb. That's about right but but i was like we're just a fucking dumb ass banned from fucking richmond right like but then i was like yeah dude like that like super fucking cool like bo shows were super fucking gould and it was i i looked out and i have friends that came from all over the place and they were just fucking constraint happy happy that was by far the coolest thing yeah yeah well. I think that maybe the way was asked like joy. It's like it wasn't just the feeling of being happy in bringing joy. I mean it was it was a fucking experience meant it and that's really what it should have been like that like how do let people experience something like that together unification especially in today's world right. That's that's right. That's right. That's what i left with lily. It was a weight off my shoulder like after i walked out of that show man was so good and an idea to pull it down dairy cow to us because boehner the basically the old farts episode yeah. You got a few years on me but we're in our forties. These guys are selling to thirty so fuck them. Yeah i is way out. I just turned thirty five talking on the mike is scott ep from geek father. Hey hey we should do some other interests. We'll do it as we talk like would jump right into what we were talking about that and what like you had said. It felt really reminiscent of of like myself when i saw you guys when i was first like fifteen sixteen years old it weighs r._v.'er for the most part and survey can't say richmond richmond yes and just shut the fuck. You have not me like three years ago when you when you were coming on episodes talking about oughta have literally said richmond virginia richmond is actually pronounced rich mooned richmond anyway. I was gonna say it felt like a community but i'm being gained up here also also to gang bang community but it really did feel reminiscent of the richmond ninety seen yes. One hundred percent richmond has always had a great music scene even to current but it's lost that loving feeling so to say you know you had to but it has but it hasn't right. It has because of all the things that we do now like we do podcasts. We get to do social media to do like fucking cell phones. I mean we get to do all that stuff right back. In the ninety nineties that that wasn't a thing right you seriously got the list for twisters flood zone and the metro and that's what you looked up and you go in style oh and move on line magazine and that's what you pick up line. That's what you do like that. That was a different world. I'm not saying that this is any better or worse. I i think it's but yeah i i love. That engine. Frame is a bike shop in town where they have the sticker. That's keep richmond sketchy or richmond sketchy again. Dude fuck right. I mean he was corey crime and he was a fucking crazy pro. I worked on kitchen line with him today sober yeah. He's a fucking looking sketchy do yeah. He got his shit together and clearly but yeah it was definitely a sketch down and it was so the richmond that was me me being in two thousand and two zero not even in the when this was third per capita as <hes> on the song. We'll still like a sketchy fucking down i remembered look up a backpack full of beers and walking through the alleys of the fan like drinking with hanging out and just an him cops had way more and more important stuff to do now. They would bring winging cars to see when we first moved here. I mean i've told the story a million times but basically like tim and joe came down because tim's older brother. I went to v._c._u. and lived on what was frat row on carey street. Okay i know exactly he's be frat row gary and and there were like well. What do we do it. It took him a it took him like eight minutes to get here like i remember they're like we're leaving at midnight and then they got here at like one fifteen or some shit like that. I was saying northern virginia yeah. There's no as driving down the shit yeah. He's sort of virginia was so much cooler back then so much cooler but you gotta understand all the fast food restaurants back in the day where choice they fucking he they walked the streets and like all the places on gratiot are all venues unused. There was jade elephant. They were fucking prison. Twisters metro was a strip club on fucking on on grace and they kind of walked walked it and it was like one fifteen. They're like this is kinda lame and that like one thirty one forty five fuck all the bars lead up and it just exploded there was like a fist fistfight exploded out of fuckin- conjoined elephant and like a bunch of metal heads like lit a tree on fire to read. I think they look at each other like fuck it. We're moving here giving they came back sunday and they're like if you want to keep the band together. We're moving. Richmond blocked that burning tree through the hammer down experience it was fading more was playing it. Twisters sorry at metro and like testament are like nuclear assault was plunged elephant. That'll do it. It'll definitely like to icons of music. The cross and nobody gave a fuck about it like it was like okay cool because that was richmond. It's still is like i mean think about it like you. See the guys from you know from orlando god or municipal waste or any of the bands that are big right now and nobody gives a fuck who you know it's like okay. There's randy whatever he was dick back in the day when he was drunk but whatever you yeah whatever like nobody gives a fuck about them but if he's walking down the street and fucking detroit like it's wrong yeah exactly right like you know you see. Everyone gun shows you state pop. They're popping up in there. They wanna watch show too and i remember talking to somebody at his festival was an all day thing it was actually the one sounds of the underground towards the metal festival thing the only like two two year on it and it was down in norfolk and then the guy was there and i was reading some dude we were talking to ritually. Oh my god you're yeah. It was like oh yeah ran into randy kroger something like picking out avocados at the same time. It's never been a big deal. That's one of the review the grand maybe it's everywhere but i don't feel like it's not coming from southern california and being like knowing a lot of guys on the scene there and stuff from just having kanda shows like two three shows a week. I'm going you know back when i was younger that there is definitely more of pretentious tone to the music scene out in southern california and part of it is because it was known for being like this punk rock you know so all these your your southern california punk rock band <hes> then you mattingly have an immediate credit. If you go out of southern california it's like oh. I'm from san diego and i'm in a punk rock band arizona. Oh you're fucking southern california punk. You don't have to be good yeah right yeah yeah and there's this pretension that comes from that that just does not exist in richmond. It's not it's not allowed to know. The weird. Thing is though lowdown brown on his talking now. What are your introduction fifteen minutes with. The weird. Thing is though you would expect like mid westerner town where nothing's happening right sure you you get this stuff in terms of has their own going on and if you're like oh you don't sound so it's like. Do you got what you lose your mind over something. That's outside of your city but your city has a lot awesome shit right. I know you mentioned that your nova. I mean that's another. That's close to another mecca of punk rock hardcore oh d._c. Back when you were there i mean the fact you i just wanted to richmond when you're literally closer to that also even though he's figured out that was back in the days with like when like i had forgotten gazi and felicity jones and all that was like non no dancing did you can't fucking dance. You can't slam each other. That was a huge thing back then right and it fucking sucked like i remember the first time i was such a huge minor threat and ian mckee fan. I don't give a fuck what that does except for his new shit like he literally it can literally far too new microphone stoked on it but i remember the first time i saw him. I was dancing at a verbal assault show at fucking church in dc and it was awesome and i was like fuck and i'm just dancing and have a good time bumping into people and amici graduates. Stop dancing hearing fuck. You dude ah but that was so fucking that northern virginia d._c. Was so stifling back then positive force was such a good thing and it does all the good stuff and yadda yatta yatta but i don't give a fuck about the indigenous people of chapas right like i don't want to go to a punk show and and learn about any kind of rights of any kind of other people outside the fuck <hes> the people that want to go see the show that was a big thing and so when we moved down here it was like we don't give a fuck about you like we still had nazi skinheads here yeah it was it was it was actually like probably a year after year is when they finally just stopped coming around when we bring it a eight oh four and then guerrilla crew which was like hato for light. There's so many crews by crew. I think was another one fucking yeah. That's the way it was. It was richmond as i was saying with like back in the ninety. S was just about a good time like i remember you. Were talking about some of the bigger names as well like citizen fish came through and it's just like animal rights blah blah. I'm like dude. I'm glad you appreciate that but senior shit. I don't wanna see video of dead cow stable i if they're super vegan capes actually fish like yeah because we were friends with them because our first two tours we did in in europe were set up by there was subhumans and then there was pete the rhody and then his wife moved from california and that was paula the rhody but they were good friends with richard the rhody who was already who also also wrote for like rancid and all these advanced back in the day and she set up our tour so we would go stay at the subhumans house and so to me for being a straight trey punk rocker g. It's the fucking subject. It's fucking units like they're right but it rented only liked like two songs but i was still like it's fucking day. The diet is like one of the stamina all fucking pink rock albums. It's the best game can recover. It's amazing. I mean even even if you don't like the fucking band the records fuck gene. Oh yeah yeah and that's what that's what you used to uh. Records for artworks cover would be enough the adolescence records. It's just blue red print on. Don't don't get me started the same in both. I have a fucking tattoo. I tony analyst dude. Oh yeah adolescents and descendants were mainly go to bigs. I just finished watching the descendants documentary film age so great. It's fucking fantastic. I didn't know anything about like i didn't know. I didn't know bill started that band. I didn't know that they all wrote difference. I didn't know the bill had major medical issues that lead into. I didn't know that what was it suburban home. Was he actually wanted a suburban. Oh i thought it was talking shit ironic sarcastic no he he got. He got a house any quit. The fucking what what the fuck is that most of our that you can do is go go complete opposite whatever right sitting in this fucking room with like tons of records and you're like oh he's still in the punk rock but yeah but he was just like i just want cool house and a long stereotype be classified yeah. So what do you think that anyone ever do a documentary speaking documentaries for for the richmond seen kind of like to do with the salad days. I mean there's a ton of bands that moved here like spit boy moved you've to hear against moved here like crazy fuck and bands but that's the coolest thing about richmond is that they do. We don't give a fuck about things it was. There was always a running joke between us. It's a black fucking hole sure boomerang. It is like you fuck like oh. That's a cool town. Even though you've only been here for like one night to play i show you move here and you're like god. This fucking sucks but i'm never moving away well. That's what i love about russia as well as like everybody that let's talk shit on it but but also everyone that lives here. We'll vehemently defended anybody that goes after it on my town but you're not allowed to talk so much. There's a like fierce fierce defensive richmond rather people that live here. I mean i've never seen it anywhere else that i've lived. It's this like it's a badge that you get to wear. I live in richmond and i just never got them southern california. I'm definitely not in waynesboro booking wayne's richmond. They said it but they are like i'm from a but no it's i think because the size town that we are we are growing a lot in the reason here's craft breweries holy shit rates but we are growing but we are still like the music scene has no business being as good as head for for the size town that we are not not at all and that's been consistent for how many decades forever i mean from white cross to fucking falling fort was falling. Were like the only straight edge band that i knew about and i didn't even live in richmond at time and they came up to see like i think it was youth of today are bold or side by side or some shit up in dc when we still have denoted in order virginia and i remember taylor and bo steel coming to a basement show in reston virginia and they brought like youth crews and these guys had like gardening gloves with fucking and all like oh yeah oh yeah y. Fuck it for that was normal in the streets like for any shows in richmond at the time was just like the straight traded crews. Were like oh fuck. You're not just saying your strategy are fucking in your where finished goods weren't stretch. The only one that was a strange crew is his guerrilla hato straight edge smoker known to kill. Most of them were straight edge but they were some of the it was still hato for that still try using. I used to world war like the guerrilla. The big thing for guerrilla was it was a group but if you sold out you couldn't be in guerrilla anymore right yeah but i mean at the same time. You're also thirty five years old so look you minister. You're not you're not in the glove before uh-huh okay well. That's fine and that's the way most were. It was just like oh okay. It doesn't stop you. Listen to the same music. Yeah doesn't sipe eleven what you're doing. It's just like i decided to have a drink to help relax and yo speaking with some of those bands still wanna come through richmond coming yeah. We got sick of it all fucking coming yeah. We got mad ball coming yeah. Yeah i mean already but just played the playbook no. They just played their single show by themselves. Like she's a week ago of i mean slapshots coming. I'm with fucking. No they're doing them. Madman got dammit. I loved her yeah now. The one thing that i thought was really cool and couldn't go to the show unfortunately but that kevin seconds came in through town just to go see fucking avail right. How fucking rat is that. I guess kevin seconds all changes tour or doing a mini tour just five years yeah and of course my dumb ass got kind of a might have had a couple of drinks drinks and it's a message and i was like hey skateboards. He's like i was like ooh escape board but at the same time i'm like dude. I'm talking to kevin second yeah just like every time i'd say kevin seconds okay here was spread it and the best part is i put on the list to get in for paid reserve ebeid because he was totally down with him and the house and so i put him down kevin seconds because that's his last name and so our our our manager looked up kevin seconds and put his real last name name. Kevin walks is walking up and then he's like. I gotta wait in line. It's like fuck that so i just walked in through and he's like yeah it's kevin seconds and she was like we don't have kevin in seconds and i screamed in the back behind the don't say his last name ruin this for me. I don't wanna know what the alan real name is. He not be named from the doors real name as those guys and she started he started saying and it starts with a w. but i don't remember what it is. Lila screamed. I was like shaw faulk hobby abo- combat with no. I can't hear that guy's name yeah. There was crazy people. That came yeah yeah. I mean right kevin seconds. Was there twos from porn against their adam. Thompson was there like people flew in from all over the place from against me. Were there like servicemen crazy. I have a buddy that that came from england. I was like what the fuck do shit. I know of someone who flew in from japan. You told me that someone's lewis from a friend of laura's right right. Yeah yeah yeah yes. We're not that good and one of the big things both nights was it was it was a mix of you guys which had the torch way back when right now. It's it's like both openers. Were new generation very add. The suffix nice touch i._d. Fucking fucking fucking beautiful right it's like generations basically through eras. We wish we music. We decided right before like when we kind of decided we were going to do it. The first thing that we decided to do was we have. It has to be all richmond bands that could be. Nobody who makes complete sense asylum literally played. They actually said it. They're like we played three days ago in a basement. Seven people basement shows like literally. Take a week later granted. I mean probably not that. Many people gave a fuck about him but they played in front of a thousand people. I mean even nobody gave a fuck about him. That's another ten people said it was twice choices show. I actually went and stick them on spotify. After that was the french chick fronted been the both both the opening asylum and nosebleed knowsley knows. I was like holy shit. Okay yeah we actually we actually went through. I mean we had like eric more into like the smaller bands because eric still goes to see shows all the time and he's still goes and he's more adamant about that so he was like okay well. These are the bands that i have and like i wanted to candy to play really badly and then <hes> division of mind i wanted to play really badly put their more hardcore right right and so and oddly enough show banks was the one was like it's gotta be a punk rock band. The bank says listening to punk rock. You know what he's like. It's gotta be loud. It's going to be fast. It's the only thing i care about so that exceed some of the band's but we were very very adamant and that's that's what we've always been out of about that like we'll go like even back in the days we would go on tour and we'd have we'd bring hot rod circuit circuit we bring american or be boy sets fire whoever it was fucking boy set fire and so we will always like okay that's cool but the first band at least has to be local and they can't big they have to be the ban that is starting to come up on the yeah. That's shops and ban. That's gonna be really stoked to play that side stage. Yeah and it's like you also had i mean even though even reagan's played other places you also had in reagan versus. The waste was the way stored the fucking world multiple their you know their status legitimately huge everywhere except for the state's reagan. They've done a couple of festivals here and there but there is nowhere near the size. We've also known ryan. We've all of them but we've known ryan for a long took darkest hour on tour when ryan was it wasn't as though he would do double basit standup pretend to shoot people. That was fucking awesome. Remember ryan's i banned. I think i do but i don't remember their names this interment yes which was also the original singer was larry floyd yes because i went to share them. Yeah funnies ryan <hes> <hes>. I want to see darkest hour forget which was but ryan used to do. This chinese fire drill around his drum set all the time. It'll show was funny as fuck man. He was so fucking awesome. I mean he's he's so cool to watch even iron reagan now but he was so much fun to watch an all of his other bands. Oh yeah i mean you watch the germer because he's good were or you want to jump because he's fast ridiculous. It's fucking hilarious. He was fun to watch straight fun the way he would just get silly because that guy first first off he's been playing drums since he was single digit age so his skills are nobody can argue with them but the way he he knew how to play them so so well he could do his little dance around the drums the perfect timing and attitudes such better show than that a drummers dancing around down like tar player doing something funny and i do want to mention people that you know obviously low in love and listen i in reagan and he's drumming for them. Now but man darkest hour had some good shit like i remember the first time i brought over associated social security and i so still living in the wintertime and i was i was blown away by that album right and then the other from richmond and then as i started noticing all these banks fucking movement rich i think half of darkest hours from richmond in northern virginia so i think to cigarettes guitar player live lived up. There was ryan and paul but it's like chris barron karen. I believe was a bass player. The bass player chris did guitar. I know he played in dysentery but i wanna say he played a couple of guitar. Players have been through here but they've been through rotation yeah yeah you know what i eight eight or top with sticky rice once like like this is so richmond. Is that the bass player for darkest hour. Who we're kind of a big deal darkest hour deal his our kids go to school together and so like i'll be there i'll be like that's the truck and bass player from darkest hour. There's fucking chris from fucking lamb of god. There's yeah there's chris popes from fucking gore every fucking cool band ever alternatives exactly like you know. Nobody gives a shit like nobody and half the people don't fuck no dude. That's chris boast and they're like yeah. That's the guy that we're black-faced was like no dude dude. That's the founding member of war the first band that got signed to s._s._t. Records like they were writing. That's fucking cool. Guy gives us ship how angry you are about him dressing up. He doesn't give fun away and he's there yeah yeah. Did i guess just to bring it. All together. As richmond has always kind of had that weird inner circle of just like like we know who each other are and we'd like ooh you are you. Are you are but then there's this whole like as soon as you step out of that circle. There are people are like what what what will example taking a bubble again well. That's exactly what i was thinking about. All these all these heavily tattooed needs like bringing their daughters and in richmond not even an is blamed that it just so commonplace but i've had friends have gone up to new york city. You would think they wouldn't think twice about tattoos that were really heavily tattooed really have to like extremely heavily tajik where yeah just a normal richmond punt going up to another city is going to be sticking out like a sore imagine what it was like in the nineties like we were touring ring and i was like it's not a big deal. I don't care if your hands up like like we go to places that. I thought were like not progressive. That's it but i mean i wouldn't stick out right like full sleeves in the nineties. I had a lot of tattoos at fucking stupid. Haircuts gauges years at goatee was no big deal here but we go to fucking austin or new york or chicago or fucking l. a. or any of these fucking big ass places and they're like what the fuck is that yeah like what the fuck are you doing doing yeah and then we could've show and be like what the fuck is that asshole do why is he does he have a guitar like what <hes> silly super crazy back then and nobody blinked data back then so even so now when it's even easier to see people. No one gives a shit who the fuck you are. That's right. That's that's quintessential richmond. Fuck about you richmond ready but it's still when you go other places. It's still a thing yeah if you go there. I'm currently working on. I only have half asleep right now but most my friends have full sleeves full blown out and like he'd be with them i can. I can see people kinda looking in. It's in it reminds me that richmond what what was it two years ago was voted third per capita to evolution of third per capita. You'd be murder now. It's better than it was las vegas and miami and richmond per capita. We were the heavily set to put them. It's give it look what we're going against miami and fucking miami miami and those are all transient cities like you go in. You lived there for a year because you wanna live in miami. You wanna live in las vegas and you go this fucking blows. It's really hot here sucks but then you come here and like you. I said it's a boomerang. People move here like fuck this place man. I'm fucking leaving and they throw the boomerang and then they come right. They say i'm never coming back to the city. They always this comeback yup yup and if they say i'm gonna move there for three months and i'm gonna come back for the summer. They never come back. Yeah there are there are the few that do escape in and it's just like but it's weird. It's like they go completely completely off the radar though yeah and won't be gone for like ten years right. They'll leave and they're like oh yeah. Fuck this place. I'll never i'll be back in six months and then like it's always something being stupid like their grandmother has cancer and they had to come back and they're like back for a couple of weeks and then they never leave. The black hole of richmond is fuzzy thinking thanks yeah it's it's a legit thing part of it too and this is also changing with the bumping population here is that richmond's on expensive place live when in comparison it yeah. It's more expensive than it used to be fisher yet for sure but it's not nearly as bad like i was looking at the cost of living in different places. We're right on right in line with like pittsburgh as far as cost of living which is weird like thing to balance with pittsburgh. I had a blast in pittsburgh also also tour guide. I did have a tour guide from pittsburgh anti flag and then pour steel town. I'm just gonna throw but all i can think of is fucking the steelers right now. The pittsburgh penguins now plays hockey outside. It was fucking what i like dirty towns. I like dirty cities that have this kind of like lived in kind of a little bit grungy kind of tone and that's part of the reason why i love lucy in ninety four when they're cooking. They're like i like grungy cities that are in like the middle america like i don't like the coastal grungy cities right because 'cause you can glance city for you. I've never been it's fucking neck. I don't want to be anywhere near fucking growth anywhere near. I saw people walking barefoot it on the beach. I'm like you're going to die so there was i can't remember where the drummer for born against lived in jersey like komo suborn against lived in jersey yeah so we would play john hilton's basement and i loved that town and it was like the weirdest like white bread town in the middle of nowhere that working with pittsburgh. It's like everyone is white there and it was like jarring yeah you caucasian for me and i'm really pull oxen like yeah so we sudan and more polacks we would go to john hilton's basement. We play we play in new york city. We played the you know the wetlands and and it would be a huge show or whatever and we play you know higher whatever but then we would play in new jersey and we play at john hilton's basement funny story about that was the only reason we played john hill says basement because because born against came here and so we got their phone list to tour night so one of the people on the list was john hills the drummer for morning. It's so we would play his basement and we played there with like lifetime. Fucking one point six free beans we put with all all these crazy fucking jersey bands and he was really my sister's upstairs ch- i don't like her. She's a dork right so we thought she was just dorky. Chick at turns out. It's kate kate is great from the fucking bouncing souls. There's two fucking people think about that and never say never interact act. We each other totally two different scenes of fucking music. There was like four negates warsak freak beans vail all this and then there's like the souls the souls is the there's no other band from new jersey outside of bouncing souls as everybody's got the ticket for the show in december not yet <hes> i went to the last time the guitar playing rubber. Do you think i'm going to pay for that show. You're gonna holler or something yeah. I get this on my my crew that all the time and he's like. What are we going to go to that shows like. Should we go there man he because he doesn't know he just likes to watch people dance in one end. You're just like nobody. Nobody gives a shit who you are and then it's like. Do you think i'm paying for show. I stand out like i said one eighty yeah yeah i mean but it's also because like the the girl that does abroad breath shows is the woman that did our show yeah and she dated my roommate twenty years ago like it's it's a small fucking time and i'm like i'm just not paying for this part of it too is that i've been in richmond since two thousand two so do matt like sixteen years or something like seventeen years something like that so long that i've known people for close to twenty years now in in this town which is a weird thing to say but even then it's been long enough where like just like get better tabs at some places like or i can go in go to a show not going with anybody do show and no fifty people in the right. That was one thing that was really nice about. The show is like i didn't even have to stay with my friends. I was wondering because i knew have after fucking people it was it was not like i've never known that many people in the crowd some cool controls day but that was fucking meet like yeah. It was so fucking to be at that show and that's not even me like playing the show. It was cool to be like i would walk. I couldn't even walk in the venue like i would leave out the side door. Just go hang out out front and i'd be like hey what's up and then i'd be talking to my friend from chicago that i've known for twenty years that would go to chicago shows and there's a woman from fucking louisville yeah and then and they knew each other because they would all travel to shows and super fuck anita. Everybody kind of had like this weird. Ah seven degrees of bacon. You know what i mean like like. Everybody knew everybody was super stoked that everybody else was there was it wasn't about the fuck music it really wasn't it wasn't about the definitely part of music catalyst musical cattle. It wasn't about the ban it was about the music is about all these fucking people just being stoked doke and joyful to be around each other. It was nice that it takes several years to build up the energy to act like read a nineties punk rock show holy now there were so many people like bummed the next day jud fucking broken. He's like i'm the one in for me. It was like a high school reunion union totally because you met a bunch of your high school friends at a some of the chechnya matt of town that had moved over to the because we're adults now yeah it's kind of con- dish and yeah others where we may still live in like the burbs of town or whatever by. We don't get together because we have kids. We got married we do. We're doing our things. Li real life happens yeah. Exactly fucking life happens but yet data like you mentioned. We have the social media now. We have the technology now to where we can still at least like hey. I still see what you're doing but to be able to get together. Give physical hugs listen. The fucking tunes have this motherfucker stage dive in his crotch lane on my yeah well. I also give the gift of deaths. It was also my wife's first avail show no shit because she's younger and she grew up in california okay. That was my first roosevelt show because i was what like two years before you guys like playing shows. Everybody kept saying it's twelve. It was only eleven years. Just pick a little bit. I mean fuck fuck you with tax to was never able to make it to yeah. I mean time between age and everything united states twenty two thousand but we didn't we also didn't play here that often i usually we would play maybe tops twice a year really felt like it was more now. We and we only played aid either. Free shows or food not bother smart though like only a couple of years down. That's smart. We'll see here's the thing though but we finally were actually touring like like we were like okay well. We're going to go out for fucking will be gone for sixty two days you know touring around and playing in fucking nowhere we would play show for five bucks at twisters and people would fuck and bust our balls like nobody's business like five bucks to see you is in your hometown and you're keeping the money now. No that's just that you oh my god. It was crazy the first to show that we did to fund our tour and we would literally we make three hundred bucks we'd sell out metro and there would be a thirty seven hundred people there and we'd walk away with like five hundred dollars and it wasn't like we were taking money. We were basically like okay. We got five hundred bucks that means we can fix the alternator. Get a new headlight and we can get strings to get gas money to get us to that. Show used to make t shirts. That said avail gas money because that is where most punk bands. That's what it was like. I i've done a little tours in bands that i've been in and yet you're literally just getting gas money the next minute you're not coming off a tour and i have a theory that part are the reason why this is such a foodie. Fucking town is because you find me one fucking kitchen in this town. That doesn't have a musician in it. <hes> no part of it is that these these guys are taking jobs for six months and then go on tour. Come back get a job somewhere else because there are good cooks they're building levels of like culinary experience and knowledge that is like mitchell and start start level knowledge but they can't get into a career of cooking because they're musicians. I <hes> so you're getting these restaurants that have amazing fucking food right. That are very reasonably priced because it's technically not career chefs. It's musicians in the kitchen so i mean think about avalon had turks mike avalon per year for for years and years now. That's what fucking social social avalon had. Some of the best fucking brussels sprouts have ever had. My daughter loved avalon yeah because nobody went there. Nobody went. There was zero not tall booths to yeah. It was like luli walking distance from my house. I used to live off loyd between boulevard and colonial so awesome yeah when we come back. We're going to go over what we're drinking and maybe do a drunken seen waclaw. Guess all drinking white club. No just just you see. I was reading you before became a thing though bullshit. I was reading it last year last year. Like what like seven months ago no came out last summer. It was truly your fanny packs and battled jackets and stuff. He was drinking white club ball last summer nobody to and just kinda hit the market and notably said hey we're gonna take a break. Slowdown can come up with more excuses why drinks white cloth and there's not working. 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The Legend of Bill Richmond - The First Black Sports Star
"Aw. Sound of the bell cut through the run bunk. She's rowing of the crowd breathing heavily Bill, the black devil. Richmond looked down his fists. Yup. Bleeding he touched a corner of his lip with his tongue. Yep. That's bleed into. He squinted over as opponent in the opposite corner. The bare chested man was muscular half his age and looked fresh as daisy the fifty one year old Bill could feel what felt like a heartbe poor saying on the bruised right side of his face and realized that that side of the world had gone dark. He was blind in one eye. Bollocks foot Bill was he walked up from his corner. This was going to be another lo fi. This is Ken carista black history. Buff and welcome to the black history. Buff podcast each episode will be going through another chapter from black history, and showcasing one of the amazing characters from black history. You can find us on Instagram at black history of seven seven seven and at behavior. Be media. Seven seven seven also on Instagram. So please kick back relax and enjoy today show. When we think about black sports stars we often go to name such as Muhammed Ali Jackie Robinson, perhaps Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or even Jack Johnson. However, if we dig a little deeper and look a little harder. We might come across the story of Bill Richmond. The first black sports star. Bill Richmond was born on the eighth of August seventeen sixty three in Staten Island. Which at the time was an outpost of the British colonies, his parents were both in slaved persons and bills prestigious talent would never had been discovered. Had the British soldier named Hugh posse not convinced the brute keeping a young Bill captive to release them into his care bills. Natural intelligence wit and tenacity had struck a chord with Percy who brought the fourteen year old Richmond to England with him and say him up as an apprentice cabinet maker in Yorkshire. It may be hard to believe this. But at that time seventeen seventy seven the number of black people living in Britain was fairly large many having had their freedom restored to them in exchange for fighting against the American rebels in the war of independence. However, less surprisingly on entering Britain. They faced extreme racism. The smartly dressed confident and literate Richmond was an instant target for the small minded bigots of Britain and a young Bill found himself in numerous bruising encounters Umbro's as he defended himself from the insults. Frana him from the small minded men of that time. It was jeering these encounters that Richmond began to hone his fight and talent as he handed out beating off the beating to his racial abuses. In the words of one of the leading boxing writers of the day pass Egan Richmond toys detractors that. It was wrong to discriminate against a man on account of his country or his color. Richmond's reputation as a man of honor and fighting prowess began to grow and in seventeen ninety five he moved to London price fighting was one of the leading sports in the era and Richmond feeling confident after years of handing out beatings in Yorkshire spontaneously challenged season veteran George Maddox to a match in January eighteen o four Richmond. Lost the bout in nine close rounds with one brutalizing blow opening up a dangerous cut over his left eye. Okay. So before we go any fiver, I need to explain the sport. Richmond was partaken was bad knuckle boxing. I want you to think about all the famous books matches Iverson or heard about our levers is Frazier Tyson versus Holyfield feel reverses kicks Linko how even rookie verses Ivan Drago. And for food in the bin. There were no gloves. No judges and no points round lawsuit. As long as they lost it and fights could often go on for hours. If you elect standard at the end. This was a brutal sport. And looking at for modern is you might one. The why Richmond a moderately successful man in his own right? And that roughly four years old might want to put himself Rawda. But I believe that what fueled Richmond was the years of abused at injured. I as a boy in America, then as a young man in Yorkshire, a black man living in those times just had to take it with no chance of recourse and even lesser charts of Justice. And so I believe that Richmond. So is owned Justice in the ring. After his punish in defeat. Less determined man would have possibly quit. The sport by eighteen o five Richmond made a successful comeback defeat in Jewish boxer by the name of usurp. He was left. Air quotes, totally disfigured off the six vicious rounds. Richmond. Quickly followed this with a win over Jack homes in another one-sided be likened to the time equifax a public slaughter. These an of interest opened up the possibility of a rematch with Richmond's nemesis. George Maddox in eighteen nine the fight took place in August and Richmond batted Maddox across a bloody fifty rounds. Fifty two rounds? Fifty two rounds? Do you know how much you must have to eight someone in order to fight them for fifty two rounds? A conflict of anything can do for fifty two rounds. I don't even think I can think of anything I can do for two rounds, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Anyway, back to the show. At the end of the bow his fifty two rounds Maddox was described as hideously disfigured. But oh who watched the contest agreed that the skill and bravery of the team and went without question. Now wealthy from his winnings. Breath petition in haunts Richmond wisely invested money into property becoming owner and landlord of the host and Dovan pop Nellis square. During this time Richmond began to chew to other young fighters. One of him was the young gifted and black box Tamani who under Richmond's chew tillage when onto fight the British champion, Tom Cribb in one of the most contested box abouts in British history. But I'll tell that story in another episode. Richmond ju to some financial losses was eventually forced back into the ring. He for Jack Davis in eighteen fourteen. And then in eighteen fifteen to his riskiest fight when aged an unbelievably fifty one black really doesn't crack he fought and defeated Tom Shelton who was Hof his age. It was an epic battle with Richmond eventually defeating Shelton. Richmond ju to some financial losses was eventually forced back into the ring. He for Jack Davis in eighteen fourteen. And in eighteen fifteen took on his riskiest fight when aged unbelievable fifty one he fought and defeated Tom Shelton who was Hof his age. It was an epic battle with Richmond eventually defeating Shelton. Again, according to books in writers of the day. Richmond took a punish him blow from show in the second round and somehow managed the punches way through the majority of the remaining twenty rounds. Unable to see our his left eye off to this victory. His place among British boxing elites now finally established Richmond began to showcase his skills to European royalty. And in eighteen twenty one he acted as an usher at the coronation for King, George the fourth. It cannot be stressed enough that Richmond Chievo all this during a time when slavery was a very legal and very widespread practice. Bill richmond. Died is home in London in eighteen twenty nine off the having lived the remarkable life was inducted into the international books in hall of fame in nineteen ninety nine. Hey, guys. Hope you have been enjoying the content. Look, I'm going to be blunt. I really wanted to port cost in content creation thing fulltime. But I can't do this about your support. And yeah, I mean financial support. So for the price of a medium sized coffee nanna for the price of Jamaican, Patty. You can help the support the part cost. I g page Facebook page bloke YouTube account, and now my website by for joining my patron or making a one of their nation to my paper account. And if that's not your thing, then you could even hop over to black history buff dot com and check out the merch on their go. Hoodies jumpers t shirts all fiend around black history. So not only can you listen to your history. You can rep it in your cloven as well. So for the price of a small oxtail in rice, you can help to bring more hidden tells from black history into the limelight. So I decided to record. This is a podcast episode after two into someone on Instagram. He was actually a boxing coach he wanted to find some history to talk to a Suns about. And just retool into him. I was reminded of the story of Bill Richmond, which I've known about for some time and tomorrow you and I have put together some teaching resources are free. Download to go along with this podcast in the blog posts that will go up on my website, which is black history. Buff dot com. And the reason I've done that is because the whole reason is started on this land in journey for myself. And I am still learning, and I will constantly be learning because I'm a lifelong learner, and this is something I'm going to be doing as long as I am able to the reason why is tied. This is because I wanted to share stories with my son, and I wanted to be able to control the narrative, the I told my son I wanted to make sure that he heard our history Fru a positive lens Fru correct land, and it really pledged to be able to find this story and interfere with to create the resource and put the blog post together. Because now I know that the person I was talking to on Instagram is going to be able to do the same thing with his own children and pass this slice of history on the ice was civic to him. He's a boxing coach. And so now he's going to be able to go into. His sons about the origins and the beginning of the sport in Britain and relate that to his ancestry in the color of his skin and the color of his children's skin and really tired out together. And for me that is a beautiful thing because we are now pausing on the history passing on the legacy pas on the greatness of the people who came before us from one generation to the next generation. And what I hope is that we're passing these legacies on in the right way. And that's the important part of it that we post these things on the right way. Because every time we toll history every time we tell a story every time we poss- on this information, we are educate in not just our selves. 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Phinsider Daily: Interview with Miami Dolphins Honor Roll member, former offensive tackle Richmond Webb
"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any ninja warrior fan hello everybody. This is a ron certain for this episode of insider daily. I am your fever middle a twang way guy that has still not tried the new chicken sandwich from popeye's anissa episode. I have a very special guest. There's been a lot of chatter about the offense of lying for the miami dolphins. I figured why not and the best attack the miami dolphins history richmond manweb will be joining me when we come back and welcome back. I seven straight pro bowler from nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety-six first first team all pro nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety four second team all pro ninety three and ninety five a member of the nineteen nineties n._f._l. N._f._l. All decade team and on christmas day nineteen ninety six was inducted into the miami dolphins honor roll again. I have the the best tackle in dolphins history with me in the studio richmond webb richmond. How are you doing. What kind of shape are you. Can you play some swing tackle the sunday now erin how you doing. I'm fifty two days over for all. I got his mental reps. The physical just melt ropes now. I did see you mentioned that he maybe wanted to try that that chicken sandwich. I mentioned in the did you ever get your hands on it yet. I haven't had a chance man. You know watching the news and read stuff online is in my day having ah issue trying to keep them you know the stores supply which it sounds crazy isn't it errs series story so i waited. Wait mute. Calm down and make sure you can get in and out safely so i had this random thought the other day and i'm sorry i have to kinda get this dad joke out of the way i was thinking to myself because my dad played college basketball the university of richmond and their name is the richmond spiders and i thought what if richmond webb played for the richmond spiders spiders webs man you coulda had your whole clothing collection line they probably would <hes> renamed the football field after you. He would have been like a walking folk legend the entire time but you ended up going to texas a. and m. and they have just a monstrous game this weekend at number one clemson. The dolphins opened their season this sunday against the ravens at home. How are are you feeling about this slate of football this weekend. You know i'm just happy. Football is back especially this past weekend labor day weekend. Eh that's all i did was wise college football knockout several good games from thursday our way out to let the update notre dame louis louis google play monday night <hes> it was just a time college football and it was good to get back into the swing thing and now you know this is the first week of the regular season so i'm definitely looking forward to a glad we're back to two times a year. I wanted to get it kinda. Some a life lesson from richmond and that's it's kind of building off of the retirement of andrew luck and some of the sentiments that came from that retirement and just <hes> you know we we saw gronk make some comments and pollock about just his football just not right for him at the moment and that's why he retired. Did you ever have any moments as a player where you felt like football. Football was just almost too much to handle. Obviously didn't you didn't retire until after your second stint with the bengals <hes> but did you have some down times where football was just like a. I don't know about this thing. I think you <hes> you know <hes> i can laugh. Years is the last year with the bengals. I tore my pictorial muscle all right before it went to the <hes> the bengals add both <unk> in those scopes you know just to clean them amounted to wear and tear and maybe a year or two for that had triceps repair so when you keep getting edzard at having rehabilitate <unk> a meli he as something you can do it but it does take somebody were to tell off to really we have get ready and then you get hit with another blow do that in you get hit with loves loves and most of the time that's not covered in the media will <hes> <hes> edgy look had shoulder surgery or a night goal this next with the white really focuses in on the time to to rehab and trying to get back for the season and also time as athlete. You know not only do it quicker than average person because the when do you delaware. This is short a win at you won't be out there. He won't be competitive is sometimes make back a little sooner than what you're supposed so <hes> like wrong. These has some back surgery stuff like that is use. You know nobody knows what you're going to. When you gotta get up you know just affiliate. Oh your bodies can't let you know hey. It might be time to ship this thing now. I think that's the thing we're andrew. You lucky when he was young. He has an injuries and i think he's maybe has cushioned <unk> way. Also i think with everything in come to light now is more information being spread about stuff like that at the players are really taken into consideration that you will. I don't really want quick land. I see how some guys don't ten fifteen years down the road where you know they can't speak or oh. You know really really struggling so i think that weighs into guys decision now does now it can actually see what players that played the game previous before forty hundred highly looking at forty five or six years old. I won't qualify this game. Joy mices was also also well and you kind of mentioned rehabbing one of those things that it's just not talked about very much fans. Just expect you to do it and get back out there as soon soon as you can and go out there and help my team win games but at the end of the day <hes> there's a lot ecstasy that goes into that for that player and i feel you like one of those other realms where fans don't really appreciate the some of the struggles that could happen is what happens and your post football life. What is what is your <hes>. After you hang up the cleats. What do you go to next. What was that transition and that adjustment like for you hanging up the cleats going to your home life that you have any struggles on that front. Yeah i think everybody does arbor playing football since seventh grade and certain used to be in a certain place a once you retire if you normally used to be a training camp even though you're not there candidate each season season starts this net so they took about. I didn't doing things before you hang out candidate bob. I kinda got away from it because <hes> it was it was just awkward. It took a minute <unk>. I'd say about three or four years in canada came out of it. Did you know starting to love stuff. It is easiest you against you're biding your minds conditioning program this why posted this wild beaten can't do forever but then i know i did. I had to go through that that that period took about us about three or four years. Why becky can return mobile so my dad. I said yeah net that's that's well put so i want you to let's do a mental wrap here richmond richmond and magin that you just got traded a week before the very first game and that's kind of what we're looking at whether you look at it from the prism of laremy me tunsil playing for the houston texans or you look at it either jessie davis or julian davenport starting at left tackle for the miami dolphins either or these these guys are playing in a position that they have not played all offseason <hes> tunsil a new scheme. Obviously he's played left tackle but in a new system so if view are in that situation richmond. You have one week to prepare for your first game. Where do you start the first thing. Is you get to a new city. He probably david at a hotel 'cause no way you're gonna find you know housing and all that sir you married or something like that anyhow people with the with the organization it can kinda help show you some areas aghast ask living weather's by rent apartment. Whatever and <hes> so <unk> right now so you come here you by yourself. Uh you know that might take a couple of weeks because i when i get there. I got to get into plane book. I got i got at least try to grasp this much. The gambling and the good thing is most protections. Are samuel digest. The terminologies different so says it was <hes> ninety pass protection in miami. It might be sixties in houston. Even though it's the same you still gotta get used to being called sixties so you you gotta try to get familiar with it to where you're not thinking. You could just go out career as tough week but <hes> the main thing i would do is the guy that i plan next to is really work on communicates. I need you to talk to me if i'm not sure if i ask you something don't get frustrated. I'm just trying to get it down as quick as possible possible. You know you gotta have that kind of dialogue at this hour. Better we communicate you know. It's not always always be like this. I just got here is normal bus material but it might be tasked what happened the brain freeze and communication. She kicking a instance. Listen dip. So how are you in kief. Sims drafted in the same class plane alien side by side for many years. How did you guys start your career so well. Did you guys just have a a way of communicating that was you know really transparent where you just kindred spirits that just seem to know each other from before i mean how how are you guys able able to play at such a high level. Play next to each other. You know we just really jailed in. I think the data really helped us. Was we had a great coach yazid ten dusky ski wrist in heaven but <hes> we were able to come down <hes> we spent like a monday here with with with coach sandusky eski we learned a lot of the protections missing that and the other thing was is that i think i may have missed a week of training camp so we got signed pretty early in. We got a ton of reps. Bacau's <unk> was the starting left tackle and bright fossil fossil's a star guard with they were holding out in any company until started regular season so we got a ton of <unk> reps reps reps reps and even though there is solid plays stuff you know every day it definitely helped with the development in a a adjusted to the speed of gagging house working. Yes you know just cross which he's a pro player that time <hes> had hugh green e._j. David grieg's as good pass rushes so i had guys work again. We ate take all games all the players except for maybe why series so in preseason i yeah i played against richard. De ah class demos christou call mecklenburg <hes> yeah i i was. I was welcome to the n._f._l. L. preseason <unk> so that definitely helped because i was like you could really tell it was a big drop off from when stars got out to gain two guys that were trying to make the team so i got to experience both okay. I got we got. We got a lot of work to do. We did a good job ah communicate and keeping it simple as we play together for a while we could count look at each other. We know what each other was thinking so so the better you communicate with the person going to do besides the easiest to to to make everything work. Everybody stop what you're doing doing and follow this man on twitter. It's richmond webb. You know how to spell it. He's criminally under followed and again. A football football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching that first game like having a shot at a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football all is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just just by using code espy nation. Here's what you do download the draftkings app use that code s._p. 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It's all spoiled every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly you seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app but she ate. You spend some time with me the the seasoning richmond. I have one more question for you and then i'm gonna let you off the hook here. So when i'm looking at the trade compensation that was adele in that texans trade you can make the argument that that's darn near quarterback draft capital right there that we were able to get it speaks to me about how rare it is to have an elite left tackle in the national football league right now and and i just feel like you know i just have anecdotal evidence right now but it just seems like the learning curve to the national football league right now is steeper than it's ever been then. Would you agree with that assessment and you gotta look at it this way to <hes> miami's rebuilding definitely full-blown say now with the with the trades they made with steel tussle kiko going it a saint but for the texans debt andrew luck with tires so you basically said if we put this together we should win the fetus. I think that the biggest task for the texas in in the south you got this shawn watson but they were having issues protected him so if you start negotiating at the left our which miami you did. They really needed to tackle and they probably overpaid four. They probably could have gotten a little cheaper. Bet just a time weightings. Were had to pay for what they said. Well is money well spent because he is. He is a good player buying say okay. We got thirteen draft picks next year. We can really evaluate bring bring in allow guys in if lotto's guys turn out to be good players is is not gonna take long with also <hes> <hes>. I think that at the fans gotta get used to is that this is truly a business and where it's going to be similar to knowing winded. I think this aspect where you know 'cause bell checked he will he will trae. Are you will let players go before at the picky eater game rather than round of now you gotta get you sick. I know fans follow love players and say you know we shouldn't do this. We did as it's going to be a different mentality and as a player now you gotta look at it. I would love to spend my career here realistically. I'm probably not so you gotta look at blair. Okay i gotta kennedy was best being because the team is what do what's best for him so shocked me but then i thought about it i said it was a good trade for the texans the news yesterday great pickup for the dolphins so <hes> yeah and just really real really quick you know going back to you know the the steep learning curve that tackles face coming into the n._f._l. You know i i can see how the delimitations in o._t. As in the number of practices in the number of padded practices etc etc condemned only hurt the amount of reps that these young guys get and camp and just get the reps like you said you had wrap after rafter rep. Some of these guys don't get had enough reps to really roller sleeves up and dive in so. Do you see any other variables in play when you look at these college players coming up to you to the n._f._l. How and why it's taken them a little bit longer to get some seasoning. I think some of it depends on what type of office is just too you know for. It seemed like more offices players. I would think <hes> look at it with these spread offenses a lot of times quarterbacks. It's never get up on the senate bill. You'll get up on the center. <hes> a lotta office lyman they play from two point stance join a tank dan 'cause they throw age eighty times a game but then you gotta give a three point stance and if you haven't worked on in is gone. It's gonna be a learning curve so i think that's what has definitely slowed down just the way someone college offense and even high school now live in west reading here at texas so i think that's definitely played a huge factor in gas transitioned to n._f._l. Game on the you know you play mostly s._e._c. Another big ten a lotta those are they still rock pro style offense. Make the mix it in a note. A lot of big twelve. Schools is just is just wide open goslings. I mean they just earn it out right now and even some of the pack the pack the pac twelve school so it just depends on where he played in some guys just make the transition no matter what some guys struggle with it just it just depends sometimes so that's not hundred percent that i do think that plays affected type of you came on date. You might struggle a bit definitely agree there. You heard it from the man himself richmond webb seven time pro bowler nine hundred ninety s all decade team best miami dolphins tackle in history member of the the miami dolphins honor roll richmond. Thank you so much for joining me tonight. Follow him at richmond webb. Go aggies this weekend. Hey thanks erin. You have good appreciate you have almost kills you. Thank you so much richmond. 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Can football save politics?
"This is an ABC podcast political commentator, George McCulloch Janus is back on conversations today. And Georgia's here to talk about football and his beloved team the Richmond Tigers who won the twenty seventeen grand final after a long premiership drought. Now, let me just say that this isn't going to be a conversation really about sport. Not really it's really a conversation about our national life in a strata. George Meghan Janus is using the story of Richmond football club to remind us and those who are in the political system that there are better ways to run the country and the way with me at now because even though Richmond is just one forty club among many it's much more diverse than parliament's, it's players and management supporters. Look like contemporary Estrada it now plans for the long term it no longer digits leaders in a panic and it has one hundred thousand members. More than all the political parties. George says the Richmond pulled itself out of a hole by finding a new way to win a new way that was more joyous and more inclusive, and he thinks straight you could do the same. Georgia's book is called the football solution. How Richmond's premiership conceive ustralia? Hello, george. I have not met a human being that didn't laugh at the subtitles. I I take it. You realize the is in the trick on the subtitle. I certainly, you know, deeply offended and ending the conversation. Now, quite frankly, when I ended up how Richmond's premiership conserva straight Aric. And this one's did all this in two thousand and five, but that's a whole other book reckons. I mean, I, but when they were first in two thousand five the political system wasn't second later Richmond. Aldrich Mond style every year. So maybe we need to update the story every ten is maybe so we first of all how did you become attached to the Richmond football club? But oh people I was born into Richmond, which may. Means that I didn't grow up in Richmond. My mother landed in Richmond as a young Greek Margaret not in sixty two government paid her FA to come out to a strata in the early sixties. She lands in Richmond. And she very quickly and shoots the cultural code of her new country mitzvah father in Cobb worlds to Greg's going to made, but another inner city suburb of Melvin implausible for them to have made in grace because he's an island, and she's from the north of Greece quickly get married have a child may have another Mississauga. She sent me to school. They not in sixty nine to kinder- with benign Tare, joins me, pajamas and a forty tame. So essentially entity going into school was as a football support for this club Richmond, which was a sub. She would have lived in for about six months, which is Sabadell never set forty. As a young kid until I went to my first game forties. So you had Richmond tattooed on your soul by your mother. Pretty I think think I wouldn't have been a first one of this is fairly typical fairly typical experience in Victoria and certain about the seventies about two or three generations. Even before the puzzle Margraten. Have you got about two three or four generations of strides passing on from grandfather to father to son to great grandson and order, a trouble identity nowadays trouble identities by the Tom off tuned up as a supporter in the light sixties early seventies. As trouble identities of completely broken, the time blind, the suburb it self these a trouble identities fixed on a particular post code, but you could be living anyway at that point in Foote's journey Eddie remove the first match you attended do. Remember a fair bit of nodding seventy muffins vid memories as a child before vivid cultural memories of the moon landing at school, which we watched on TV and our. These Apollo mission scrapbooks and the second culture memories. Remember, my dad telling me he was a supporter because logically dad's first day on a strand. So it was at a non splice in Fitzroy. So he had to Fitzroy supporter. My first memory is football is of that telling rich one nine and sixty on Prem ship very quickly. Non in seventy the first round of the new season is fiscal applied on a Sunday and the Royal family come to visit and interrupted the guy at halftime applies at the sort of spruce up after first half of the guy and outcomes the Queen and the Royal family degrade always plays in the middle of gyn. And dad bless him. Who's teasing me all that after noon Fitzroy had bayton Richmond in the game seventy. So they are very very early forty memories seventy-one, well, and truly into it. We watching the replays. I had a whole supporting teacher at school out of on supporting also on top of the competition and all year on my parents to send me to a guy that. It's a signal worker as a Siegman rabbi segment on a shift worker Victorian railways. There was no way. He could take me on a Saturday. So mom took us one Saturday light light in July, not in seventy one and the loudest crowd. I think I would have said up to that point would have been a couple of hundred guests aunt, Helen's wedding and the fifty thousand people at the that. I'm seven years old and of never seen anything or heard anything locker. And it's a noise. It's died with me for the rest of my life. It was the most life affirming noise when Richmond goal was scored. And was the most tragic thing I felt like the minority of the crowd which would have been hold on supporters. When I kick one of the girls, I feel about that. I personally singling me out in the stand. Picking on me is goal there. That's it. That's it. So you really took it personally. In other words. I'm referencing. I wonder how most people's first. Contact with sport on that scale. And this is this is something that's been going on for about ideology is by the Tom after two up, and I've got now idea of the backstory, and I've gotten our dear of the sort of communal habits that attach themselves to this event when I turn up the most fantastic thing I've ever seen in my life up until that point. And it doesn't leave you very quickly. It's I rock concerts. Well, it doesn't actually leave you and not the chip forever. Trying to recreate experience every time you guy, it's a very very warm comforting plice sporting arena, when you're there with ten twenty thirty forty fifty thousand people identified as you for the same team, and I can come from any part of strata and for those couple of hours you sitting there watching your team together cheering them on sharing the stories with your friends and your family that you want you with actually can't think of a better spice Australian public life. Yeah. I lift lost interest in fully Martina years and came back with him thirties and discovered one of the pleasures. Of watching game live is that it's both very exciting. Very relaxing at the time. Yes. And you have your excellent conversations that don't really have any kind of sitting side-by-side have better conversations that way long train journey. Yes. It's what I imagined in the past train journeys between families would have been like as families weren't trying to settle scores. And a bit like you. Bunch of of hitch attains you get to Uni you get into the workforce. The last thing you want to do is to sort of set aside sort of mental and mental energy. And then physical time in your Dari who is trying to work out which banned to say that way, not what game tonight to and upper much like you'd left it for good decorators side, but on return and the thing that brought me back in the thirties was my mom. She's still wanted to go. So it was actually great family catch up. So why do you think your mom attached herself? So passionately to the game young Margaret was strata. She can't to be honest. She can answer this question because it's the sort of great arriving in strider and then Richmond supporter, and she never let it go. So this is almost it's almost like offenders Shen story in Melbourne. Coming to the suburb. Finding a job. Meeting. This guy at finding football team starting a family. They're all wrapped up in the same to heritage signed blur of events. And and I think we're not spend a bit of time turn understand the past had the pass brought me to the position that I found myself in a lot of people of my fan in the identity in that suburb in Sydney by the sixties and seventies. Still so tightly connected to the club, the suburb suburbs. More interesting, I think from the club in in many ways because like a lot of the inner city suburbs, certainly in Sydney and Brisbane and certainly old industrial suburbs. And Adelaide the attachment to the local team was the thing that my days. People feel really good about themselves. Now Richmond in the sixties is still a slum. Tila, contemporary Australian audience that there was slums all the way up until the seventies. Even to even to when we turn on TV. We still had slums Astrid, particularly in suburbs. That now have multibillion dollar houses in Melbourne like richer, Richmond Carlton, Fitzroy pretty much pretty much privilege entire housing and former industrial stock of the city has been converted to a form of living which would have been on thinkable months generation. Yeah, that's right. So through through the sixties when Richmond is a slum by that stage for about thirty or forty years. People are leaving that sub and more people are leaving that southern arriving in that suburb. And if the Greeks hadn't turned up in the sixties and seventies it would have been a ghost sub. It would have been one left. Did plot the graph stupidly, not stupidly. I'm bit of a darn originally. So I had a good look at our head of good look at the population story of a severe block Richmond. I think it's quite emblematic. Big surge in the IT nineties when dime. Nearly Melba is the is the most famous daughter of a strike two daughter of that suburb is making international debut in the nineties land. Boom turns the bust and then people start leaving for the for the leafier so-called leaf or the garden suburbs. All four more than although suburbs incident. Yeah, they're just leaving. And what's left behind is is an underclass. Relied pretty stinky industrial suburb, very Han. Employment poverty, very sick -tarian divided place. The rest of the the rest of the city is looking down on this on this place. In fact, like Ashley Richmond is almost they must rich, man. Poor man. Subdivide about the era on one side of the errors Turek looking down from Turek. You see the old industrial areas of Richmond. In fact, if you pass through today, you you can't imagine if you put him on if you put your bond back to that era that the class divide is that dirty Brown river ribbon. Always when I was showing the geography of number one trying to north of the of this church straight. Yes. Out of it as chapel street hit at church traitors. Rough guts as it was in the eighties. Still Richmond chapel street though. Then you're getting into south yet soon as you cross that bridge when church becomes chapel the soon as you cross that bridge over the air. You would have added in those days fifty percent to your average income and the equivalent to your property to your property process. So in the postwar years a whole lot of great Margaret's like your parents come came into returned all their people like came into Richmond. Then in the big Vietnamese migrations Richmond Richmond. Richmond. Hollywood is even more great than Richmond, which I discovered. Much to my shock kazaa. Preventative Barrick for the wrong approach should've Barry for calling was looking for the most Greeks of it. We wouldn't be having conversations. And in fact, I wouldn't have. Twenty percent of the population of Richmond. Or not in seventy one was born in grace. And when you add the kids, you get to third of that entice of is a single ethnic group, but the early eighties ten percent of the population Vietnamese-born. So you got a very very rapid transport was happening all the way through this period. A lot of the likable believing the leafy suburbs. The Greeks get a foothold on the subway black Richmond. And as soon as they get married and stuff, I followed everyone else out. So I got it on Cass or the box hill temple style or Oakley. And so I left as well. And so there was always the only thing that stopped. They suburbs from collapsing. Nice dies was the next arrival and the next arrival sort of put a floor on the under the population that suburbs. The big switch, of course, comes at the turn of the twenty th century where all the professionals coming back from the outer suburbs. And they wanna live close the city pretty much undoing one hundred years of one hundred years of sort of inner city history in the blink of decade. The club strangely was successful through all the bad times. So the DACA stick I and sort of Richmond's public life, the twenties thirties premature us for the club again more dark years in the sixties and especially seventies. As as the as the economy goes into stagflation, another round of ships. Somebody turned on the lights in the eighties nineties and stuff to gentrify and the club goes down the plot hall and becomes the most mocked sporting team in a strike, the petrol nonce, plus finishes, we we had the same which of course, everybody recognizes probably the probably should be the national anthem where from Tiga lag nutshell somewhere got on a few years ago infective friends administered y'all's, every dot come to work night. Click this song on wasn't away from tiger land. It was we finished nine game. Talk is finished. Season. You will see you his fate to miss out on eight. We win the fuel and lose a lot. And then it is too late. Remember that other literally applied for research, but literally the most mock sporting team in the strategy for a good city ideas in the fact that they won this year suggest we headed for an economic down to famously strenuous football, George finds its origin. So the story goes in AMAN nine Tom wills who was a Victorian who went to rugby school and learnt to play rugby. There the earliest form of the game. When there was sometimes like one hundred pliers on the ground in the Tikal die. But the other formative thing that said to be that the other formative influence on the sport is said to be the average game of Greg. And we know that Tom wills used to play with aboriginal kids when he was growing up on port Phillip bay. What do you make of this story and the willingness to accept the the game of mangroves and its influence on straight football. As almost the founding father of the game. Tom wills is probably the first great sporting figuring astray in history. Cultural is much more significant than just the sportsman one of the things he learnt when he went to rugby school was to play sport year round. So cricket in summer. And. Dog. I'm kind in winter, and he was the grandson of convict, the son of a squatter and politician. He leaves the rugby school before the gold rush and he returns when Nova's marvelous. So in the intervening years he's away this colony as as a -rupt under the global saints. Melvin Psomas visited port in fifty two. He's learning to play rugby and playing cricket at at the same time that. All the world's middle-class fortune-seekers and working class. Fortune-seekers are in this port niche using Melbourne over applies California. And he comes back to a place. He leaves as a civilised town. Andy returns back to this thriving metropolis, and it's sort of his personal, but it jarred with the times. Cricket match. Victoria Bates is a falls colonial cricket game. And then he thinks what are we gonna do? For winter leads. Let's play. Let's K plying. That idea itself was was was sort of beginnings of his football piffle keeping fit met with keeping fit for the crickets as for the tickets Asian. Yeah. So he he sits down with his mites. And this four of them who set up the rules. I didn't fifty I sort of he's famous letter to a sporting journal sign one we play a one off shooting something let's do something to to Cape limbs supple leads when they draw the first rolls together tonight in fifty nine he tells them because remember he's coming home a hero. He's a sporting hero. And he's telling his Mertz local born and recently arrived migrants, the pedic's here why to the southern plain fields where we used to each other a plan rugby applying feels a lot harder we're going to have to because there's no other code for them to bar. There's now on the game Sarabi is in code defied. British football soccer is kind of fired. Deciding fifty nine it's a couple years ahead of the kind of cash of any these ball sports, which become sort of mass entertainment spectacles, and so they literally invent a game of their own for the conditions that apply at the time. A lot of a lot of these guys who applying on the Saturday at good jobs during the week. And there was a line in there. One of the very earliest accounts of Doug at this launch from one of these pipers that these guys didn't want to do the things that were done in. Right. I didn't want hacking. They didn't want their Sheen's kicked didn't wanna be belted because a black and the broken collarbone. Didn't look good on Colin straight on a Monday. Right. So you one of the sport you could play where you could actually go back to work relatively uninjured engine. Yes. So the sort of bruises broken bones that were trophies of their pluck in childhood in England in Iran, forties and early fifties. Might now saints in social setting the light fifties. And we know the data tells us that no Bonyan's with the world's richest people in the world, which is settlement at the time. That's that sort of like the immediate environmental impulse for the game. And so the rules aurorae going to be different to what rugby is. But the other part, and this is the part you literally before he goes to recognize school. He's a kid growing up in in the western districts of Victoria. He's the only what kid he's lente language. He's participated in in in all the ceremonies and he's played. This guy was as kids, and we know from from early settler accounts, Victoria, what sort of game night plied because it's some quite vivid descriptions, now, the descriptions of these guys actually fit the guy that became the strain rules football and a couple of the big differences compared to cyber or soccer. There's now off-side room. Right. So you can have the forward pass. You can do whatever you want. So it's it's it's open play open play. And I would I give play actually fits the temperament of those time. So it's very this is a this is a major. Experimentation was the world's first experimentation mess middle class society. They get the vote. I get the ad died. I've invented the secret. Ballot. Doing all these things at the same time that invented this guy. But the other thing that Margaret Scott is some of the action is in the sky is in is in the in the is above your head light, which is the Bobin kicked in the air and blacks leaping up to catch overhead the high Mark, the hallmark doesn't exist in any other code in the world. Even when you look at guy like football. They're not knocking it over the head. They're not being given an invitation to fly, which is in the literal accounts of mongrel can the Ida forties. Some of the early settlers have written down that the blacks kicked bowls FARs came into the air, and they're all jumping up to try and catch it and the spectacle of catching it is half the fun of the guy, which is which is the thing that differentiates those rules from from pretty much every other co from soccer from rugby from gridiron on United sites. And so this is this is the game that clearly has traditional connection because I the life of me, I can't see how you would do that will play this game. And then completely forgot about it. And he came back and he taught him to play this other guy because I didn't wanna break the legs on Saturday. So the interesting thing about strenuous football soon as it's kinda fide. It's it takes off so quickly in in the city of Melbourne and in the surrounding areas lodge along it takes. So quickly and starts to attract the biggest crowds in the world. It seems like the kind of crowds that I think you're in this before in Europe would mean that the government's gonna be overthrown, but sit in a strata you get these gigantic crowds forming peaceably cheer their teams. Now, how important is it to a strategy that these teams seem to cut across all other religions within the society of the time. So I look at I look at when you look at polls foundation story, and some historians argue sort of black letter what little Laura about what proportion you ascribed among others. My one of extracts, garlic football. The one thing that to me. And this is try to take a fresh. Look at this refresh. Aw is heavily at the community itself and the community and the certainly around the time of the guys invention. Then it's rep attack up in the sixties in the seventies. Remembering this period in the sixties the seventies? Biggest spectacle on a strider of the time is the Melbourne Cup horse rice in November. And by the seventies one hundred thousand people equivalent of close to third or even half of the population of Melvin attorney up to this to this horse writes, this is a single event, but what the football did really quickly was was getting ten in twenty thousand people turning up every week every Saturday to watch these suburban teams play one another now, obviously the supporters identify with the suburb. They. Living in other, Tom. But this is this is this is a mass migration society. There is no single tribe. That's dominant the English bona Bailey ability half, the total population, very big Irish contingent. Very big Scottish contingent. Very big Janis contingent. Very big American, very big French. It is the most diverse Astrid is being since now now is the only period the only the second time in history since those sort of marvelous take of the nod in century when we were this diverse so back, then if you're gonna think about it, a number languages spoken, a lumber number of fives been observed you couldn't tell this group. Let's call us around the idea of pros and face Orchises, more of this brand of democracy. Oh, this brand of market economy. Wherever these audiology wouldn't have connected all these people. The sport is literally born in the same breath as the settlement itself entitlements. Lock the out in. Night ad. I it is woven into the social fabric of the city of Melbourne almost at its foundation. It is the one thing that you not everybody in a very, very peaceful, y and you recognize at the day in sporting cards around the world must middle class. Societies. Can't collect the number of people in the one place whether it's a Saturday or Sunday or a fraud. I not and for those two hours that you're barracking fjord. Same you figured your religious differences, you political differences your class differences, irrational differences. So I think. I think one of its an excellent Atami the other part of it, which is the most magnificent story, whatever tell about so is is when we collected a of people together in one guy, and this is this is a more confident in a more sort of uplifting version of sporting obsession, which is we grab sport estimatedly as as common language finally left at travelers spit. It brings us together the same. But the trouble identity is is forever Asli held. But it permits you to city humanity in the other tribe. So Mark fanaticism in your fanaticism as Richmond, and swan suppose, we can have we even have. A shared understanding of each other's absurdities. Techy about it. But the laws be smaller while having this conversation. Would say that many differences. But let's say let's say we had a political religious difference. You become an all become very defensive in that discussion in the fully discussion. The scoreboard will settle the school. I one way or another. And then we might winge about bad calls, whatever. But at the end of the diet, I'm just as interested in the I I you into a game as you might be interested in the I I went to a guy, and I'm interested in your family story. And I'm interested in in where you were in two thousand five when the swans break seventy something year Dak as you might be interested in where I was aware Cornell fan mount of Bain and rugby league or where I going on cab was what it would been yet. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And you see this happening across politics to like people who are bitterly divided in the chamber of parliament find that they have these cross allegiances to one another autumn till tiles out of school. But one of the first unsolicited book reviews for this book last weekend was from a liberal politician. Telling me, I'm going to take this in camera and show them this book and remind them that there's a bit higher running the country. Unfortunately, he's an incident supporter solid grind assault. Possessions with Richard Fidler? On ABC radio. The seventies era in fully that was remember that era. That's when I started following the guy that was when you had nine starting to pop up in a Barassie, he's the sixties Barassie Silvani and just link cove and the game seemed to be this was Carlton pretty much wasn't this. What about your team Richmond? The the greatest one of the greatest suburbs in the strident between Richmond to suburbs. Richmond. Remind a pretty what bread club. The interesting thing about the club's. Through that password period, this abode by changing because some of this support is leaving the city for the suburbs. Taking their loyalties with them and the new arrivals in the suburb don't necessarily have a raisin to hook into the club. But as pip lock my mother ended up doing the connect to the club. Oh, must immediately because it's the biggest guy in the suburb. It's the biggest show in the summit. And so these the the ethnic Feis of the clubs is changing the stands, but on filled it's not necessarily challenging Richmond squadron. Interesting parable for that sort of seventies late sixties seventies even into the early eighties. I remind me politically in the Samah adult is looking back on my childhood obsession, I see pot Fraser pout hawk. So I'd say media manipulator quite charismatic. That's the hawk side. And I say use any means to shave power into retirement fries. And that's what that club was like so much. Water on the field. Then it's on what was becoming its own new supportive ice. It was the biggest Boston's in the in the competition is dies. I said some so's up not just against every other club and the very successful at it. But also against the administration via the first sporting ministry to be saying by million people, which is not in seventy two not in the ninety ninety season. Which was the last of the old Richmond premierships, the average attendance at the J game crossed out of fifty thousand for the first time for any sporting club in strata. And you think this is nineteen ninety. This is a long time ago have very popular club that sort of presented themselves as anti establishment. But I would the establishment though of the top dog. So in the in the New South Wales. Right. We leading it would have been Canterbury. Bankstown BULLDOGS would have been probably the equivalent club strong working class identity, but with mass appeal across the across the city and thou Britain's watch but also got off. By that conducted themselves on the field that seventies. You and I grew up in near away. Very violent wasn't the cameras are on every for the first time that catching the biff probably already always been there. But and you can say especially in some of the suburban grounds as soon as soon as the fighting starts and up up gets the mob in the in the stands, then throwing punches at each other. By the way, this is just like a like a like an extended vision of world championship wrestling on the failed plasma being sent actually sent on with instructions by the coaches to thump the point. Well every single week and every single team. So the Richmond guys phone with mitt to these things anymore. But. That'd be commitment. Commitment was a particular powerbroker Richmond. Coke grind Richmond. Coincidentally side. Sounds. Use a bit rough of the normal treatment here. You don't want to get to get off the leash. Maybe what? Sounds and he'd say this out of issue to the coach and the coach knew that this was going on and out guy one of the enforces belts, another guy. And of course, young supporter what I used to say this. I would save every attack on team as the most at righteous insult was ever committed Nola human history. And when did something back this is through seven non ten year old is you'd think Serlin rod because. Yeah. Does that ascribe politics these days? It's only describes America's politics when Masa does it it's fine. When this does it. It's an out you forgive you, give every single new aside because winning it's all about winning. And you don't want to keep the other team and advantage. So you can't acknowledge weakness in the end that has a corrosive effect on the game doesn't that in the long run? It it makes you support is very odd. But people they keeps away other people from from the guy, and that's this is the kind of repulsion with politics Maas, odd rata so was sort of tracking the store and sorta remind himself from childhood, Geno. This is where the echo of the contemporary political Saint starts. I didn't start thinking I was going to write about contemporary politics. In thought I'd write about the suburb in the club in a bit of a lovely to Zand on the two thousand seventeen season. But it started to to me as reminding myself of the past that doesn't inversion between sport and politics, so spoiled, especially national competitions clubs have been forced to think differently to be able to office as much ruthless competition. You can't sort of get. Advantage in a suburban league and then through fear intimidation. Checkbook competition is equal laws that fries, but it's very socialist objective in regulating, especially nosy roles salary craps drafts. And it's very difficult to stop for too long. See you have to think differently about. You win tonight into sixteen competition. So in that world, you sort of moving too much more much more ordered much collaborative sort of less hectoring conned of operation. So the couch, and and the stop liar, not the center of gravity in the club, powered distributed communities considered supported by his needs a kite for in politics. Of course, you got from dried collaborative models with membership political parties with governments that respected Voss from bureaucracy. We've oppositions that sink that on it in the right to govern. So I have to give a positive message on it an alternative program rather than something can knock down that you're sort of seventies eighties. India noughties political story. Suddenly politics starts to look to Maine. It has been parent it for a number of years. I reminds me the Richmond volt. And not just in the in the why the party's conduct them so's with power. And when out something about the temperament of political debate now is like that very old tribal sporting bite. Tell me something about Richmond. And how it fell into this hall that eventually had founded by Adolf what were the key aspects of Richmond's decline in the eighties nineties to two thousand as you see. So this is an extraordinary. This extraordinary Richmond is probably the most most public of these stories, but I think number of the sort of big teams of the sixties and seventies in both. The old via fill and the New South Wales. Rugby league really struggled. Once we moved into the ideas. And once the sort of, you know, h game was tiptoeing into the territory to establish national competitions. And I think when they suburban clubs which was sort of big in the closed in a closed competition. Started to come up against Stipe by still city buys teams like an adult or a West Coast Eagles or the rugby league's Cambra over Brisbane Newcastle. In fact, your Newcastle. You've got you've got a population buys divided by non-routine amongst the old suburban clubs when the competition was Penn signed to just that city. Okay. The few clubs survive would have been once we've sort of long histories of success, those clubs didn't necessarily might transition a national competition. So Richmond kept thinking it could do the thing that always did had a bad year. It terminated the Kutch. It went in. Pouching red and got the best player from another team after a bad year. One of the reasons why that they had to show by show blood on the floor to the members to make sure that the members bought another seasons ticket came back the next year because we're just as upset as you are that we had a bad year. And look we've just executed one of Iran. Now. That sort of behind it didn't work as well in a national competition. I because you're up against a number of other teams that you hadn't encountered before solid different coaches. The other thing is during on an entire city for their energy for the plying list for the corporate dollar for this appointed buys and it took a club block Richmond. Cottons had this problem on wholesome had this problem for a while cotton of still in that calling this problem first response to deregulation in a sense of the code Richmond borrowed and try to buy by the next best team. When it started losing it signed plies through its implies because it didn't lock them. And then wanted to buy new ones at borrowed couldn't get a return Tim's apprenticeship, and for demographic, raise, and and other and other reasons, you know, the sort of membership start at the title off. I'm not as many people kind of guy and we've in five is quite interesting. I plan to grant fall ninety two. I lose that one Basra goals to Calverton. Of paper. Remember that the Straker interrupts that guy midway through the third quarter. Richmond people for the next city is blind the strike of loss of momentum. And that guy not a ninety seven. I wouldn't spoon in not in ninety seven. Fewer people watched Richmond than at any time in its history at the J. In fact, the crowds ninety seven with equivalent crowds. At I used to get in the worst years in the early sixties when at the punt ride Ivo. So we've been five is the club has fallen off a cliff. It is actually not financially viable by not in ninety. It's rattling collection tend to try to pay off its debts calling. What is also a hall at the time, but call him out add a bit quicker and win apprenticeship a non ninety Richmond. Didn't just say what happened to themselves the ID's as a warning that you need to shut up for national competition. I thought what just keep them? What we've always done. And so the nineties pass in the first decade of the twentieth century pass still trying to recreate some some mythical period of light sixties early. Seventies. So with every year that this fire. There's the inclination to blame the players and the coach playas on the couch gets sect again, and again, and again playas get shifted expensive places abroad in what was wrong with that. Feary? What was wrong with that? Just imagine yourself not sportspeople magin. So if you're going to work every dining at different boss every other year you as a worker or supply have to reinvent yourself. Every couple of years, you didn't learn anything says these kids come in light teens early twenties. The particular game plan goes to about twenty one twenty two new coach new sets a fiber. It's clean out that constant instability means nightclub can build to to sustain success. Now, it started to occur to the Victorian clubs at the most successful clubs clubs that took many years to bring a group together, and that the plies needed, you know, United a core plies applied about hundred times with each other before all ready to succeed at took Richmond silo to figure this out that you must by definition had to long-term before you could get success. But because they try to cabinet said we used to be ruthless. And we used to be winners by. Ruthless. That's what it worked in the past walkout work today. The guy changed the competition changes. They have to learn to think long-term minute took them a long time to figure this out. What I needed to learn, and this is quite a strange thing for sporting club to realize in a sense. The on field stuff is the loss pot of the process the club had Linda govern properly. So the instability the instability in the back rooms in the committee room in the boardroom that might the club terrible. Plus, I work for and bid apply. Full. So then we have two new figures that come into the club that changed the club around. But one is the new C, and then the other of the club president is officially the chair of the club. Who is a woman. Tell me about these people and how they change to the club. Brennan gals. Interesting. Very interesting character. Hey was very successful player in in one of these periods of underachievement through the nod as he played from the early nineties through two thousand and one. Pled in a couple of fund will series, quite well, regarded nickname was ties and up sort of glamorous, but not stylish Playa if that makes sense he could have been grunge rock or long hair. But they look blocking dot plyer woke losses off the field side law student when he finished up football, he joined the plies association. So he comes from a culture, which is just Richmond. That's only knows. And he starts he starts to. And he didn't realize he was doing. This took him a few days to figure this out. Who's actually learning job to run the club? Bob Ayling the advocate for the playas bit above Hawkin as an ICT president. And he's saying has clubs rall unsuccessful clubs all he's saying Niger he saying he's saying clubs, especially when he would visit them on the Monday after a loss of most instructive of his work week at the plaza Sochaux Shen was to basically walk in after a heavy defeat and say how the handled it and slowly? But surely he came to rain temperate. He's tom. Ev- underachievement on-field underachievement at Richmond, even the personally quite successful Playa and he saw that Richmond would doing things around by Heywood put Richmond. He went side this because he doesn't want to reflect on past past administrations. In fact, he's very difficult to extract a quote out of very nonpolitical in this respect. Hey, if figured out that to think long-term pick any more interesting story that because it's the combination of the two that really clicks shea joins the board the first attempt to join the board was was veta-. She's a lawyer and the partners majority of the partners were in Sydney at the time. And I said why would you want to own a foot club? No, one Jones rugby league club here, it this brand damage to a low from if we have one of us, and you partners on the board of a club was going to get into trouble said, I that's a couple of years lied. And by this stage is more w y and Victorian Loas at board level. And I said absolutely this Mike sense because forty is central Victorian live. And wouldn't it be great to have one of our partners in this firm? She turns up, and she says that the club and she'd been volunteering and doing other things before that the club literally did not govern all the things that stand Becker superannuation side, and she'll just long term in other words, so. Tim. So it took him years to to teach themselves this, and the most important thing that I learned that the prime xix of says that I promise the members had to come many years lighter off to firstly I figured out how to govern cleared their debts, and then slowly started to rebuild the culture. And in fact, I had to almost Richmond is themselves. They all talk had to be taken out on the new talk modal, be credited now. That would have been this for six years to get what she was president bit lighter. But Brennan gal rods two thousand ten she's already on the boat. And then she becomes president two thousand four at the end of the two thousand sixteen say's Nemat remembers cities wants to the last game that year Richmond was about twenty goals. The plies walk off the field. All the coming tide is a buying for blood. They all Tiga they all talk day. Nice sauce to reassert themselves. Get rid of the couch. Get rid of the captain tried the best plies. Let's start again Brennan peg I that. That we're going to hang onto the Kutch. We're gonna make some changes to the to the to the systens. This is a long-term guy. I mean, we've had one bad year. But I think we're on the right track. I hung onto their coach reinvested in the plying list and the next year I wanna prema- ship. I think it is literally impossible manage that premature in two thousand seven and with that that's what a cultural China, which many many years. So if I stay Rudd Gillard Rudd abbots turn will moments, and they stayed at down that not only did I stare at down in the process of staring at down. They gave confidence to the leadership that we're all on the same team. So even if even if let's site in two thousand and ten was able to hang onto each job. He had a half the caucus widing from two full a diamond hod, not only did I recommit to him the coach I said, we think you can be a great catch. And we're gonna help you become a better cage. So I keep imagining what what Peggy Neo Brennan guile intervention sort of code in two thousand. Kevin. There was no structure in the lie. The pot in those is not grand elders. Running the party to be able to sit Kevin down inside. Your. We're gonna win the next election. But these are the things we need to do. He would have said forget it. People didn't exist to be able to do that. Anyway, and in the cabinet room that went strong enough personalities to be upstanding before the crisis. Cross's comes in fact, running Gilaad, I don't lock admitting this the very first argument proper argument, I had shouting match was the die. She said she was going to rolling. So I hadn't even cleared any of these pasta issues and that kept a little until like tiny emotion. So the thing of Richmond at this time is they stayed this down, and they they reinvest in the coach now the couch diamond head been one of those shout at the time when I lose Todd cat catches. This is a very common thing that I feel like you filed filed your job at your should be a shining. Shaima headed he changes approach with one of the one of the things that. Pig. Anyone Brenton gal rabble to do was in this sort of period of media stole membership membership pressure to pump the coach that's it to one of your problems at the moment is you'd get into angry the plies apply with you done a bit of research. Still wanted apply for him. You had to come down some of the things that you have in your home life, and some of the things you have in your interactions with us, quite an empathetic person. You're not bringing to work with those young kids, and he to credit I told me that he had roughly the same Pini. Now, there's an equivalent guy against Melbourne in two thousand sixteen yelling at him to respect the jumper. And then kind back after another loss. He said the jumper has issued its verdict way club. Object is always kids. I didn't know because I lost. Anyway, the two thousand seventeen in preparation for the equivalent guy against this team. This team has had given Richmond trouble for few years. He told a dad jug to introduce the time strategy he tells the dead Jack at the start of the at the start of the Rev up where he describes guy to connect full of daughter. And he's daughter keeps paying connect full show. The draws the guy because he gets too aggressive and Hamer's e use that as an analogy to enjoy the strategy and the guy actually plied at the Y describes it with this dump catch the stop. Now, the other thing that putting was a mindfulness coach for the playas. Now, this would be the kind of thing that would have the ALDE applies. The all all veterans just finding at the mouth with ride. Just the kind of thing designed it's fairy hippy stuff yet it bears repeating Richmond won the 2017 grandfather pull ruse famous meditative approach learnt kind of zen like approach to catching footy the swans win. Their first flag seventy two years. This this shouting and screaming doesn't seem to. Work as a leadership model anymore. What lessons if here for national politics? You think George Donyell advisers, stop yelling advisers, stop playing to you by s- stop thinking that because you provide is go to three in front of it. Now Cape a three in front of it. But just yelling behalf of the photo of the strain elected still trouble out intifadas review have conversations with people trust their intelligence talk the country up the mon-. This is a very interesting. Very interesting story. It was pod of the sort of summer of self reflection through two thousand six to two thousand seventeen and then taken off the program supplies were allowed to continue it on a night spices. And so the ones that needed the Kate knocking on the door went knocking on the door frames in variety. Listen ago. So they lost one to Fremantle Western BULLDOGS. Terrible Jade up invested aunts. And that all noise dotted around around nine two thousand seven and says in the Richmond are about to cry. Again, the head of the football department new bomb has a conversation with Emory, non from Wisconsin. What's going wrong? We losing these guys. And she said, well, it was in the program then got purple because it was too much clutter. And I said going back into the program and from that way cone, I have not lost to guns since that. What I've been doing with her is Bain. Assessing what happened to the on field? You know, when did you go out of flow mean some of the language here is pretty is pretty flow. Is that flight was a kind of logic. Flight a kind of some Houston psychology. It's in the moment. And when you when you're actually performing at the pig where you doing something really complex, but it's coming to you very easily and fluidly. It's this really lovely moments. You not focused on what someone's going down the track. You're just living quite in the moment. And this is something she was clearly to shave she was, but Behrmann you've now got a woman charge president and one of the coaches is teaching them on fullness. So if you're looking for a couple of listens diversify. Here's another listen to be lent that the Eiffel had to be dragged into kicking screaming to some degree, which is to embracing indigenous Astrid in pricing indigenous playas, and this is crucial moments in the ninety s Nikki win lift lifting up. He's pointing at black skin. You have Mark along taking on calling playas for racists sledging on the ground. And there's a real drank you, but nonetheless, the I feel does get across the line. What does this tell you? When you compare the Phil's idea of inclusivity now compared to federal politics and the way up. Harlem looks and the way apple talk. I'm not so sure that I would give the I feel a bureaucracy the credit. I would certainly give the community football the credit and go back to the foundation story was the social glue in the fifties. And especially the sixties and nineteen seventies it became the metropolitan in and then the colonial fight become the Victorian Feith, which meant it was almost inclusive from from diwan, which meant to cut across class and religious and gender divides. And the in the audience, many more women gone watch Ozzy rules, pretty much any other being a winter sport. So I think Dave in the day. And I was a football was decided that it had to solve this problem at the Fonda wyde-am include indigenous plies now the difficulty in this story, if you think about the foundation story there is mongrel it but still a bit of the Nala think amongst Victorians about the mongrel connection because by the time Foote's tight. Often the sixties and seventies local indigenous populations walked out so strangely. Even that's an inclusive guy with a traditional heritage. There's been very little contact in the stands in Victoria and even on the field up until the seventies. Nearly indigenous plies I think what happened by the nineties with enough indigenous plies in in the competition to literally force a settlement on their behalf of almost equal treatment on the field. Whether whether they're gonna get equal treatment everywhere else in other story. But. The guy I'm simply because its foundation as has an old classes, everyone welcome guy was probably the first one to be able to pull this off. I think he might distinction yearbook about the difference between politics and football team. At the moment is that in politics, you can build a narrow governing majority by sitting one group of straightens against you can't do that in footing anymore. It just went work for you anymore. The club will just be it'll just become rundown. Indigenes midst to small and the other thing is if it's if it's against them that many more than you are here. That's as real. So Richmond success really is brought down as you say it. So the elements that missing in politics today, the United same power exercised without ego, Edessa charisma and committed support by not that high which would like that Joe JR. Maybe much outta than it seems it's much out of the contemporary political context. But what I'm hoping is the footie fans on the non fans and came. Knbr because I have made telling them that the running the country badly. I'm doing this by by medical. That's very cheeky y to get back onto the story about football. What's gonna stop you from reading that what a pleasure to have you back on the program again. Thank you very much. George mega Genesis book is called the football solution. I'm going to check out a sign this again, but how Richmond's previous ship can Seif Astrid what a cheeky man, he's writing a book title like that. I'm Richard Fidler. Thanks for listening. Been listening to a podcast of conversations with Richard Fidler. 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Case 140: Richmond Hill
"Era Besides do with serious and often distressing incidents. If you feel it anytime you need support please contact your local across the central for suggested numbers confidential support place a shy nights for this episode on your APP or website At ten minutes past eleven on the nod of Saturday November ten two thousand twelve allowed and frightening sand erupted several miles south of the American city of Indianapolis the powerful force registered owner regional earthquake sense and within minutes non while one was James with over five hundred calls from frantic locals reporting that the homes were left a rattling from the impact. The noise had originated in Richmond Hill. One of many suburban subdivisions in the Perry township eleven miles south of the city. The relatively new Middle Class neighborhood was made up of one hundred and twenty five. Macula houses similar in design single or double story family homes with brick frontier each grade roofing vaulted ceilings and manicured lawns. That sat side by side along a small network of straights bordered on one side by the smock. Golf course. Emergency services rushed to Richmond. Hill and fanned the area incomplete chaos properties were in varying sites of destruction windows shedded walls cracked or collapsed doors blown off their hinges and ceilings caved in insulation and dash rained down and rubble littered the streets and yards panicked residents had gathered on street corners describing bang thrown from their beds seats or knocked off their feet by the impact and slammed against phony jaw or struck by falling debris. Richmond hills proximity to a municipal airport led to speculation that a plane had crashed others. Were convinced the bomb had gone off or a clandestine. Methamphetamine lab had exploded the level of destruction worsened towards the center of the subdivision. Where the apex of the unknown catastrophe was pinpointed to field. Fair way at number eight three five five thirty four year old day on Longworth had been on the ground level of east two storey home. When the forcible impact went off blasting a hole through the floor and causing him to fall into the basement he suffered a lesser relation to his head but was otherwise relatively unscathed yet. A fire was advancing and debris prevented he's described dion cold out from cavity to the straight outside catching the attention of his flame neighbors. They tried to rescue him. But chipping away at the plaza board but the materials had compressed and wouldn't budge day on ask about the welfare of his wife Jennifer who had been upstairs. He's neighbor didn't know how to break the news that the house no longer had an upstairs. The fire swept through an alarming spade. A police officer who arrived to the same frantically radioed to dispatch. We've got a person trapped in the basement of a house that burning. He's trapped in the back. He's screaming we need to get a hose to the rear as soon as possible. God I can't get any closer fire. Fighters attacked the saw of belong. Were tasked with an axe but the Hague made it difficult to stay close. Dionne remained pressed against the cavity. Still pleading to know if his wife was okay. When the firefighters stepped back to spray water towards the Space Dean. Toya House suddenly collapsed. The blaze was under control by the following morning of Sunday. November eleven eighty homes had been damaged. Thirty three beyond repair dion. Longworth had been killed along with his thirty six year old wife Jennifer who had died in the initial blast while lying in the couple's bed upstairs twelve other residents sustained injuries including Bergen bones lacerations and smoke inhalation as the investigation into the tragedy began as safety command post was established to coordinate. The multiple insurance company sent officials that were present including representatives from the Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and explosives and the Department of Homeland Security. The neighborhood was put on lockdown as often investigators sifted through the rubble looking for the explosions point of origin. Ruling out possible causes as they went the house alongside the Longworth Number Eight. Three four nine field fairway had sustained the worst damage it had been completely leveled with nothing but a pall of ash and debris remaining homeowner forty seven year old intensive care nurse Maserati. Shirley lived at the address with her Patna Forty two year old mock Leonard and twelve year old daughter from a previous marriage. The family were initially unaccounted for prompting fees. They may have been killed as it turned out. Monster Roddy and mark had been ninety miles away at the Hollywood casino in Lawrenceburg for a weekend getaway and Monserrat. Dodo was staying with a family friend. The Properties Gas Medo was banned amongst the destruction and displayed a rating. 'twas the man recorded by the households. Gaspar Vodka three weeks prior a volume equivalent to three tons of Tan Tay when speaking with an investigator Maserati and mark reported that awake before the blast distinct to rotten egg like odor of natural gas was permeating throughout their home which was awesome code as the furnace was releasing code. Air Die contacted the gas company to save. Someone could fix it but decided not to proceed with the appointment as an additional right applaud to wakened cool -at's mark though at the problem light with the Digital Thermostat so he purchased and installed an older manual motto. But it didn't fix the problem so Maserati Austin to switch it back the next day. The source of the gas late was awesome alighted to a fireplace that was originally situated in the family's living room as purse demanded building code. The home was fitted with a step. Dan Regulator had divorced that reduces the pressure of gas flow to house out appliances but pace of black pipe had been fitted in. Its place the on and off switch for the fireplace was also missing with tool marks indicating at had been intentionally removed prior to the explosion in extensive search of neighbouring properties rooftops suicide and Qasr commenced but neither the fireplace which nor the gas regulator were found experts calculated that it would have taken nine hours for the half to fill with the man of gas required to cause an explosion of that concluding the fireplace was luckily turned on at approximately two. Pm The day of the blast a forensic scientists examining aerial photographs of the remnants of the Shirley concluded from blast patents that the detonation originated in the kitchen fanned within the rubble was the households. Marker wave a General Electric's Pacemaker X. Somato it's door had been blown off and recovered elsewhere meaning. The appliance had sustained a buildup of pressure from within before exploding instead of bank crashed from bowling debris as no one was home at the taunt. There was no explanation. As to why the marker wave had baning use remarkably investigators found the appliances instruction manual and learn that it was fitted with a tawny enabling it to be programmed to begin cooking up to twenty four in advance. A metal cylinder showed evidence of damage indicative of having blown out for means saw the microwave and digitally concrete samples of the properties foundation revealed. Gasoline was present in to like Asians including the living room where the gas fireplace was located with old as factors combined. It was clear that the blast had not bane an accident. Montserrat Shirley had drained of living in Richmond Hill. Since the subdivision was first developed she had moved to the United States from Puerto Rico in her early twenties seeking bettering placement and financial stability sitting her goal on rising a family in a lodge home in North neighborhood. While completing her nursing degree in Michigan she fell in love with a pharmaceutical manufacturer to join Shirley and the two married shortly thereafter they relocated to Indiana and enthusiasm one munster. Roddy gave birth to their first and only saw although Richmond Hill was little out of their price range. The Shirley's managed to get the bank's financial approval to purchase a block of land in the sort after location in two thousand three. They began building daydream. Home a two story bull bedroom residents spread. Iva Two thousand seven hundred and ninety four square fate with an attached two car garage and re patio for entertaining over the years John and Montserrat as relationship deteriorated and in two thousand eleven. They filed for divorce as part of the settlement Munster. Roddy kept the House with the joint grain to pay monthly child support and to financially contribute towards school face following her divorce. Maserati met and began dating Mark Leonard. A dance turned successful. Construction worker with several developments in investments in the works that afforded him a luxury lifestyle. There's was a whirlwind romance and a few weeks after meeting monster. Ati Mach moved into her Richmond Hill. Home where they settled into a comfortable suburban life together in early two thousand twelve five months into their relationship. Mark fell into a coma. As a result of a rare autoimmune disease maserati stayed with him as he underwent treatment and in May he was finally allowed to return home she spent the next few months nursing him back to health and it was only recently that he was back on. East fate had spent the previous three weekends away together when on their most recent trip. There exploded obliterating old possessions for Mocks Cadillac S. T. S. and Harley Davidson motorcycle to an original Picasso Painting as well as twenty thousand dollars cash. The family had saved just over a week. After the Richmond Hill explosion. A funeral service was held. Dan and Jennifer Longworth that Saint Barnabus Catholic church where they had been married eleven years prior in lieu of caskets. A photo of the couple on their wedding day sat at the Alte along with advisers of sunflowers. Which would day on favor over? Five hundred mourners attended as day on was remembered for. He's quirky sense of humor creativity and generosity as an audio engineer. He helped develop award-winning electronic products for digital sand and VDI accompany indio labs. Jennifer was a second grade teacher at a nearby elementary school and was remanded for her. Compassion and optimism Monsignor Tiny. Vol's whoever saw the service said that the couple had used their wedding vows to promise to love one another until death and to that now quite God has helped them live out their vows that evening. Police announced that the Richmond Hill explosion was officially banned treated as a homicide confident that Dan and Jennifer Longworth had inadvertently lost their lives as a result of a targeted attack on the Shirley household through their investigations. A possible suspect had emerged after the discovery of an unlikely survivor of the explosion. A Persian cat named snowball depend belonged to Monterey Shirley's daughter and over the past three weekends including the date of the blast Maserati had placed the cat in a Kennel. This was uncharacteristic of her has Maserati wasn't known to board snowball went away from Home Montserrat and marks Alabama's checked with records from the Hollywood casino confirming the couple checked in the night before they explosion their reservation was one not and did. I returned to the front desk in the morning to extend to this day but no rooms were available instead. The pair remained in the gaming area with CCTV capturing them playing blackjack before retiring to the BAA where remained for eleven hours intimately checking net finds and watches and who receiving news of the explosion. Investigators at the crime scene had also noticed something peculiar when examining the remains of the Shirley. Hi Household Foon. Hr Doesn't disintegrate during an explosion but smashes into small faces yet for house thoughts is there weren't many pieces of furniture strewn about. They found several remote controls than television wool man's but no evidence of electronics themselves in March the year before monsoon. Roddy had briefly put the House on the market and the real estate photos. Were still available online. These images showed the house had been well furnished. A tip off and subsequent. Enquiries led police to mock Leonard's older brother Bob who had stood some boxes of clothing photographs personal items and a set of golf clubs. He son's Baseman. Bob Had told he son that the belongings were salvaged from the Shirley. Home following the explosion yet when speaking with detectives Bob explained that his brother had approached him two weeks before the explosion with the autumns claiming they belonged to monster rotties ex husband. Bob Ulcer reported smelling gas during a visit to the Shirley but was uncertain of the source. The couple's friends relatives and neighbors were questioned with one Richmond Hill resident recalling that on the day of the explosion. The Blondes Montserrat home. Which would typically kept open would pull down. Another neighbor said that same day. He Sewell. Mock Leonard's what work van parked outside the house at approximately two pm two unknown men hastily exited the House before driving away in the van and acquaintance described mark as a scam artist who allegedly used online dating sites to mate and seduce sold. A women he would romance them by picking them up in a NASCAR dressing sharply and taking them to fancy restaurants where he would then pretend to answer. Emergent phone call to discuss business meadow making it stand as though he had an important construction job in the works. Once the women believed the corn he would ask to borrow money and would then disappear. Another of his Games was the type of woman to the Casino and doffed claiming to have left his wallet at home convinced them to play. Sauza bets on his behalf then Cape any winnings according to mark Maserati was okay with him dating other women as long as the relationships one sexual a background check on mark. Leonard revealed a criminal history that again when he was eighteen years old. In addition to criminal charges Fakih Cain possession and drug dealing as well as reports of stalking and intimidation. He was being sued by multiple women accusing him of gaming them out of money he also had a history of insurance fraud related to a car accident at the time he met Montserrat. Mark was on house arrest with these movements monitored by. Gps Ankle tracker a relative informed. Police that another of Mark's games was to intentionally set off the airbags in east car then submit a claim with these insurance agency upon receiving the settlement. He would hate the money. Instead of replacing the airbags he had also stolen. Truck insured it in his brother's name. And then set it on fire. Pocketing the PYEHO. He owed seventy seven thousand dollars in civil lawsuits and racked up. I've a sixty thousand dollars in unpaid accounts three weeks before the explosion. Mark confided in a friend that he had lost ten thousand dollars at the Casino Maserati. Spank records revealed that she had financial trouble of her own. Struggling with the one hundred. Sixty thousand dollar mortgage. She and her husband had filed for bankruptcy in two thousand seven with Maserati taking responsibility for their outstanding debts as part of their divorce agreement she had since taken out a second mortgage sixty five thousand dollars of which she was three months light making payments. She had put the home up the short sale in two thousand eleven which meant that it was listed for less than what she currently owed on the mortgage and she would have to come up with the outstanding money to close the deal so she eventually decided not to sell and took it off the market November two thousand twelve. She was sixty three thousand dollars in credit card debt. And still I ninety nine thousand dollars in bankruptcy repayments which she had stopped paying a court hearing had been scheduled in July to address this matter. The Munster Ati filed to shower shortly after mark. Leonard moved in with her in light. Two thousand eleven. She doubled her home. Contents insurance to three hundred thousand dollars as suspicions arose around Montserrat and mark the press requested interviews and Social Media Ran. Rof with room is about that personal lives. Maserati told logo new station or. Don't wish this on no one. I just want to go to sleep and never wake up. Darnay done sleep. Everyone's been asking questions on. Don't have no financial issues on devastated. That lost it. All my neighbor lost the life that my whole neighborhood is destroyed. They need to wait to Laura. B. Investigation is done and I don't want nobody to point a finger to no one the couple hired a lawyer who issued a statement urging the public to leave his clients alone. It read the to remain horrified at the tragic events destruction and loss of lives that occurred they wished for the causation of this horrific and saddening tragedy bay determined assumptions by. Everyone have had a field day at their expense. They continue to cooperate with the thirties and will have no further comments. Investigators were yet to uncover any concrete visiting evidence to prove Maserati Shirley. All McLennan had orchestrated the November tenth explosion. Gps trackers were installed on the cobbles cause and their phone calls were covertly monited that they failed to uncover anything of significance. A man named Mark Duckworth sparked to police. He was the decade long friend of Mark Leonard. Hey recalled a phone conversation wherein mark mentioned looking at Ferrari's online with the intention of buying one. When asked how he could afford it? Mock claimed that su-nam wins had blown out their full place closing the has to blow up and they had received a three hundred thousand dollar pay. This conversation occurred eight days. Before the explosion Duckworth Steinman indicated that mock and Montserrat. He had been clubbing game for some tone. The initial belief was that they had conspired with mocks. Brought the bulb to enact an elaborate insurance game having him visit the property to release the gas and set the marker wave Toma while they were establishing their alibi at the Hollywood casino. Then on November thirty employees Aghast Company Citizens Energy Group notified police that hey ran into the Leonard brothers at a bar on the evening before the explosion as he was already acquainted with the pair. The three struck up a conversation mark and Baba's about natural gas enquiring. How much was needed to fill up a house? The employees compared to blowing up a balloon telling them that at a certain point there was nothing left to do but explode on December twenty one two thousand twelve almost six weeks. After the Richmond Hill explosion on Soroti Shirley and McLennan were arrested and served with a forty nine canton Godman which included charges for first degree murder and awesome as well as conspiracy to commit us and and insurance fraud. Down suspected accomplice blended was also arrested for murder Dawson but was spared the conspiracy charges given the severity of crimes. The Tree I faced the death penalty. Many residents of Richmond Hill were left unsurprised by the arrests with one remarking. There were too many circumstantial things that fell into lawn for it not to obtain then while another said that it was clear from the very beginning that the explosion had not been an accident on December. Twenty four the trio eating core where they h entered a plea of not guilty as the arrests occurred just a few days before Christmas. The Richmond Hill community came together to replace some of the possessions. Monserrat Twelve Year. Old Daughter had lost in the blast during the first few months. Of McLennan's incarceration. He was placed in a so with a rubber Smitty Smith. A member of an outlaw motorcycle gang into Neo Nazi organization as the soulmates. Got To know one. Another mark discussed the Richmond Hill explosion. He said the plan had been for his brother to start a fire by cracking gas lawn. While hey and Soroti were away for the weekend. The Bob had broken the long completely causing the explosion. He believed the strongest pace of evidence. The prosecutors had against him mark dot worth statement that he had been shopping for a Ferrari one week before the incident. He was there for convinced. He stood a chance of bathing charges. If he could just stop. Duckworth from testify knock rights media note asking if there was any way he could organize hit on friend. The note said that he didn't want Mark Duckworth to quite show up the core or show up at all and offered a payment of fifteen thousand dollars to make him disappear by staging an accident. A hand drawn map to Duckworth task was included along with details about the car. He drove Smitty told Mark that he knew a Hitman. Who would be willing to do the job? And the two made plans with mark suggesting walking rod up the Duckworth House and shooting him in the kitchen while he was sitting at his computer. Knock expressed hesitancy about using prison. Tele finds to organize the plot as he's cools were being recorded as smitty was not subject to the same rules. He gave his personal pin number. So mom could make the calls. Without Bang recorded mocked boned spudis. Contact a man identified as J when asked how he wanted to hit to go down. Mock said why would take a chain and fucking pandit through fucking growing area and hanging from a tree. He often Jay a five thousand dollar bonus if he could forced Duckworth to call non Lamont and to retract the inflammation he had previously given to police by saying. I did not mean to frame mark and Montserrat for their own house in Richmond Hill. He ended up asking Jay to make look. Duckworth had taken his own life wanting the job done quickly without pausing any unnecessary suffering as that would take too much time. J told him that he enjoyed torturing his victims to which. Mark Loft and responded. Well if you WANNA on benign to mark he was actually conspiring the assassination with an undercover special agent from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco firearms and explosives for the more. He's so made. Smitty was actually a police informant. The phone conversations with Jay were recorded including mark stating he wanted another undisclosed target killed. Once they hit on Duckworth was complete. Mark Leonard was additionally charged with conspiracy to commit murder to which he pled not guilty in August. Two thousand thirteen months. Herati Shirley filed documents placing a majority of the blame on the Leonard Brothers saying that mark had been abusive and manipulative throughout their relationship. Two months later it was decided that the three defendants would all be tried separately. Yeah so I'd marrying canty to ensure an impartial jury. The death penalty was also taken off the table and replaced with locked in prison without parole to mark the one year anniversary of the Richmond Hill Tragedy Faculty members and students at the elementary school. Wet Jennifer Longworth Toward Second Grade War Indianapolis Colts Merchandise in tribute of the Longworth favorite football team and held a minute's silence Richmond till residents. Were undergoing counseling and still had trouble coping with loud noises. One resident reported struggling to get to sleep as she was haunted by images of blood. Sorry paypal running from the neighborhood quiet. It was hard to get over. It was hard to get those images out of my head. Many expected that at least one of the accused which struck play do but as the years went boy this same less likely then in January. Two Thousand fifteen months arodhes defense lawyers approached the prosecution. Tame with an offer in exchange for dropping the murder charges decline would agree to play guilty to the less serious charge of conspiracy to commit awesome and in return revealed the truth about the explosion and testify against her accomplices. The prosecution was tune monster. Rotties cooperation would help clarify the unexplained to details of the crime and settle their suspicions whether any other people wear involve yet Montserrat. He had been a key player in the plot and they wanted to see her. Just wait punished. Deputy Prosecutor Denise Robinson quired. She was too involved. She was the one who got her daughter and her cat out of the situation and to left her neighbors in the situation while we knew that months Shirley on her own would never have caused. This crown could not have happened without her. Eventually the prosecution agreed to the deal. 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Mclennan suggested a month's Iraqi double her home contents insurance stating he wanted to buy expensive items and to begin renovations he also convinced her to sell her car said that he could replace it with a luxury. Bam W but ended up getting her at dated Ford Taurus instead which cost him only seven hundred dollars. At this point marks true character began to unravel. He wasn't the Hara he made himself out to bay. After the explosion he told Blas adjudicators he owned a premium condition Cadillac and Tali Davidson motorcycle in reality he had obeyed up Cadillac. He had purchased by selling stolen supplies and equipment from his construction sites and he's motorcycle was undrivable in early. Two thousand twelve mocks gambling. Habits led him to concede a committing insurance fraud by sitting small fire in the garage. He's friend Gary Thompson had done the same and gotten away with it he also hoped another man named Glenn Halts Carry Out a similar act in July. Two Thousand Twelve marched Glenn to convince Maserati Always Lia. Was Glenn wound the pair to be careful as hating you. Someone who had been sentenced to seventy five years imprisonment for awesome as Munster. Roddy had no criminal history or prior insurance claims. Mark was confident that would get away with it but promised to take the blame. If that were caught maserati Shirley quote. Autho was crazy but went along with him. Mockery visited this game towards the end of October. Two thousand twelve. Gary Thompson had agreed to help. But I just needed Montserrat approval. Although she wasn't entirely sure what the plan entitled she gave the Green Light on the weekend of October twenty seven. She boarded snowball at a. Kennel sent her daughter to stay with a friend. Loaded have valuable and sentimental autumn's into marks and the pitch into Hollywood kissing. I knock it off a gary. Five thousand dollars to dump seeks lodge cans of gasoline in saw Montserrat ease. Here is that he panicked and couldn't go through with it he was supposed to cool mock and Maserati when the job was done but they never heard from him. The next morning they drove to Berry's house and he lied to the payer about having to call the whole thing off after being pood- either by the police on his way to Richmond who convinced Gary was flagging. Mock enlisted the help of his brother. Bob Offering him ten thousand dollars to start the file. The second attent was scheduled for the weekend of November three in the late up mark into Gary blocked off the chimney and filled the fireplace with cardboard. They replaced the digital thermostat with a cheaper menu motto and had discussions about programming. The microwave in advance with the pace of metal in sawed knock turned on the fly places Gas Belov and he's brought. The bulb was expected to visit the home light up to tinker with the thermostat to cause it to spark and start a fire but the plane filed first second time. The Leonard Brothers went to the library and researched the cause of pass-bys. Afterwards they went for a drink at the bar where they ran into an acquaintance who worked for Citizens Energy Group and asked him at that natural. Gas Glenn Halts tried to deter mark expressing the possibility he was going to blow up the whole neighborhood Monserrat also begged him to call the whole thing off offering him the ten thousand dollars. In her retirement fund the mark was set on the six bigger insurance payout on November. Two thousand twelve before the couple left for the Hollywood casino gave Baba Leonard. Forty dollars for a pot needed to carry out the crime just after eleven pm. The next day Maserati were saved a word of the explosion and returned to Richmond Hill where her and mar discovered the magnitude of damage injuries and two deaths in a caused. Police questioned forty four year old Gary Thompson who admitted involvement in this game and corroborated Montserrat version of events. Old Though Adam and that he was nowhere near Field Fair why? The day of the explosion police were convinced. Hey set the Tom. Run THE MARKER WIFE. Consequently on January twenty one two thousand fifteen. Gary was arrested and faced over forty charges including two cans of Murder Austin and conspiracy to commit awesome Glenn. Holt was also interviewed by the police. Hey denied having any recollection of the conversation in July. Two thousand twelve about sitting months arodhes house on fire. Police check to Glen's phone records which showed ten calls and text messages between himself and Democra- landed during the first two weeks of November two thousand twelve on April fourteen. Two Thousand Fifteen Glenn was arrested for conspiracy to commit awesome becoming the fit the rest in the Richmond Hill explosion case on Monday June night. Two Thousand Fifteen Mark Leonard. Trial commenced in the county courthouse in South Bend Indiana. He's Defense Team. Admitted THE BALL. He had been part of the AWESOME PLOT. He never foresaw the power of the explosion and had no intention of damaging other properties or hurting anyone they labeled it as quote a stupid and selfish insurance fraud. That went horribly wrong they called MASERATI MAZDA. Loya who was fully in on the plan from the outset. The prosecution argued that mark knew that the entire Hess would be destroyed as he had advised. Maserati to remove her belongings and relocate her daughter and cat the more telling his friend mock Duckworth that he was expecting an insurance payout of three hundred thousand dollars indicated. Hey expected the house and its possessions today. A complete rod off given that he understood the potential severity of the explosion. The prosecution urged the jury to find him guilty of murder. His He knew he scame came with the high probability of death. The fog white trial so the submission of the two thousand pieces of evidence and the testimony of hundreds of witnesses including Montserrat Shirley. As part of her play do she said she went along with her boyfriend's plan. Because quired always scared loved him so much. I would do anything to make him. Happy OUT SOUGHT COURT MARKS. Defense Attorney told reporters. She can tell the truth just as easily as she can. Tell a lie and todd for the jury to know the difference during closing remarks prosecutor. Mark Hollingsworth said every single victim in this case is a victim because of him every Single Co conspirator in this case would not be charged but the him it all comes back to mark Leonard on July fourteen. Two Thousand Fifteen. After four hours of deliberation Mark Leonard was found guilty of. Oh fifty three chance out so at court. Jennifer Longworth bother dawn told reporters the conviction was the closest thing. He's being Louis would ever get to justice saying my wife always talks about what she wind have with her daughter. You know going shopping and taking care of her kids and all of these things. We won't have any of that. As far as on concerned to Leonard Gang sentenced. My family to outdoor prison for the rest of laws agree fhimah daughter. Every day and tomorrow we'll go back to the symmetry and knocked the grass of the grave. Lock do every week and get right back to business. Dion Longworth Spa. John said the jury had made the choice. Adding this doesn't change anything. It means he went heard anybody else outside of prison but day on and Jennifer a stool not with me during mock Leonard. Sentencing hearing a month later. Dion Longworth mother. Elaine gave an emotional statement. She said I hate that. It had to be my boy who lived next door to mark and unceratinty Herati by hate that they were nothing but collateral damage to them. I hate like Hell that. My brilliant son was brought down by such fools. I absolutely and completely hate that. My smart strong curious conned hilarious and todd. Working son Dodd as such an absurdly young age in such a horrible way. Why Hey that the ashes of my son and he's Wa shared a space of sealed box not much bigger than a gallon of milk. I hate that he's tortured. Last moments. Come to me in flashbacks. Why so very much hate? It was not made that God instead of him upon handing Dan he sentence judge John. Monaca said a person ought to feel safe in there are no no. They will be natural disasters and don't know there will be burglaries and deaths. Unfortunately but think people shouldn't have to worry that someone might destroy the entire neighborhood. Mclennan Leonard were saved to loft sentences without parole six months later on January twenty one two thousand sixteen knocks brother Bob. Leonard was trod in Fort Wayne Indiana with over one hundred fifty. Witnesses called the testify when Munster. Roddy took the stand. She explained that upon hearing of day on and Jennifer Longworth debts. She didn't want any of the insurance money. Bob allegedly responded with indifference. Saying oh they dodd. The jury found him guilty of all fifty one charges. He was sentenced to two loss terms without parole. Gary thompsons trial was scheduled for later that year but in August he agreed to play guilty to conspiracy to commit awesome in exchange for having all other charges against him dropped. He was subsequently sentenced to thirty years in prison with ten suspended blended code of local television station from prison to voice his disdain. At the deal saying Gary Thompson was in on this whole thing from start to finish in late. December. Two Thousand Sixteen Glenn Holt. So-so entered an agreement with the prosecution pleading guilty to one counts of assisting a criminal in exchange for having the conspiracy to commit awesome charge dropped. He admitted to knowing about the plot beforehand and to not doing anything to stop it. He was sentenced to three years in prison for which only served eighteen months given the monster. Roddy Shirley had reached a plea agreement with the prosecution. She was bed trial instead has sentencing hearing was held where her family defense team requested. Leniency on the basis that mock Leonard was emotionally. Abusive leading. To Monster rotties compliance. Her neighbors disputed this arguing that she was a greedy person. Obsessed with portraying a wealthy image multiple victim impact statements were read including one from day on long with father. John who said it's kind of weird to think that you're going about your life and someone has a target on your back and they don't care that's one thing of never seen for many of these defendants much caring. She protected her child and cat but she showed no concern for anyone else in the neighborhood. She traded the lives of children. The Horon upon delivering her sentence judge. Sheila Kyle said two months Herati. You were a mom. You were a nurse you are a neighbor saw and you are a friend Andy. Nature of those categories you betrayed your trust. Maserati. Scholey was sentenced to fifty years in prison. She will be eligible to apply for parole in the Simba to DASM dirty to age. Seventy two years old one month later mark. Leonard was tried separately for his attempt to hire a hit man to kill his brand mock worth to ensure he couldn't testify against him at trial. The court found him guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and he received an additional fifty years on top of his life sentences. He lodged numerous appeals. The H. was rejected in light January. Two thousand eighteen mark was transferred to hospital to undergo treatment. He's auto mean disease on January. Thirty D Indiana Department of Corrections released a statement announcing that he had died of natural causes upon learning of his brother's death. Alba Leonard said although only banning trouble twice in my life and both times where. He's all couldn't care less that he's dead. I don't have a bit of sympathy for that son of a bitch in the east following the Richmond Hill explosion residents reported experiencing ongoing trauma. A third of the families moved away from the subdivision which seeks marriages ending in divorce to one day memory a scholarship todd the southwest elementary Jennifer and Dion Longworth Memorial Award was established in two thousand twelve issued to one of her bulma second grade students. Ag upon their eventual graduation from high school. A press release by the school said the scholarship would serve as a legacy pajamas. Excellence in education and allow her former students to carry on her love of learning quite Jennifer had a way of eighteen students. Like no other major students who were tough to rage. She set the expectations on day. One of school and she got results. She loved her kids as the Longworth were passionate supporters of the Indianapolis Colts football team. Detains owner Jim. Irsay was the first person to make a donation to the fund. Dion was an enthusiastic gardener with an extensive knowledge of ninety wildflowers. Into particular love of sunflowers. He took pride in harbored pantry. He planned to deny yod on field fair way which continues to grow to this day.
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Yeah i know where we lose out the door in this mime fucking or whatever i don't read it yeah spoken word but with fucking feel about it's like the vagina monologues fatman only ah but what's nice is they also do some really funny fan fictions. There's like harry potter fucking hermine ear whatever kind of stuff and then there's also where they read chuck tingle who which if you're not familiar. It's the guy that ads like gay sex with dinosaurs in like every book. I'm sorry but having an act or segment where harry is fucking her mind. That's child porn. No it's not yes it is no. It's not how old was harry in the later in the movie. The fucking big naked thing on stage like a year. I the actual characters hello. It's not real joke source for phone. I try to feed him thing. Okay my bad looking to feed him. I like to be fed. <hes> you couldn't tell so so many jokes doc away for us to make sure that i get fed is free to buy our merch at public narrative as said before their sales they like every week shirts which are normally like twenty bucks fourteen bucks done like often every week. Usually there's a sales. It's fun designs to going out of business sale. That's it's been going on for twenty years basically going out of business liquidation every weekend fucking the carpet store and has been going out of business for fucking fucking going out of business. I don't know how they can afford the rent air because i'd never seen anybody in there. I'm sure they own it should they have they have two thousand. I've never been in the store. I walk into once you know. I mean i don't wanna walk in there because i don't i want to. I don't like i got a good air of not going in there so we're gonna keep keep curious through cafe not because i don't care about it but because i've just never been there so now just keep the streak alive. They're like hey we're going there. I don't care i'm not going. There are other reasons why they'll go to carry st as we become petroleum which i've never been in there. I don't know i used to like going to carry okay there because they have a box. You could wear like afro wigs which i never would cause lice gross but they also like fake guitars tars and shit that you could do while you're doing. The karaoke actually get drunk and think about lice disaster. It's a question on this. It's not giving you grief so i was gonna do karaoke and this can hippie by right but lice okay. Let me ask you what you put on a we get a hippie bar. I mean i wouldn't be sued. Legitimately i legitimate wouldn't be hippie bar fair however if i was drunk enough to go into a hippie and the entire the crowd gasps that's literally one of my favorite songs on one of their least my least favorite albums buy them but the hippie killer. I'm all about fucking love. It free love version of don't look like you're from around here but would i probably if i was drunk enough to go to hippie bar to do karaoke i would it definitely put on the way completely before you even walked in there now if it was like a bunch of us and we're all kind of kinda tipsy. Let's do karaoke like that's bullshit it but if we were drunk up it was like like like superdrug like i'm gonna pee in the corner drunk driving probably but in having a i'm having a good time and we're gonna do this campaign. I this is not impressing yeah. We're we're getting into. Our part of. The podcast called what we're drinking. Hey fuck you. Three can draw you wanna know here you go. Hey space is a basic right now. What would that that's the first thing they'll record coming out of banja. Luka panelists <hes> regular panelist and also another podcast match talk. We asked him to just do it one night we were. I think it was a star was we were really drunk. Guardians actually guardians house guardian. Hey we were really drunk and he that's what he did and it's hilarious. I mean we've you got different edited version and yeah to get that one. That's the standard. That's the thanks you have a punk rock when we couldn't because i don't have the punk rock. I'm an avail weird southern band bullshit now bolt now you spit up some lurks real quick. He we're recording southbound. Maybe yeah ready. We're drinking dancing instrument. Ah cowboy back there so yeah. That's that's what happened with that. Have what we were doing the episode. We're talking talking about richmond punk rock primarily in valence stuff and a brewery. That's been around. The longest in richmond been around a little bit longer than no actually not as long as vale. Oh oh no longer than over the james. Yes yes five years or so. It's bad that all four of us had to center. Go wait. Wait wait hold on there but there's a there's a tien from legend and avail is that we actually did like what to actual videos and one of our videos is the beginning of is that we light a molotov and throw it and right next to legend yet. Oh nice little side right there. No there was there was a legend legend and then there is a place called egg space. X base was like there was a bunch of artists and bands and shit like that ed trask our drummer at the time had a studio there and so we filled our video now i was asking about the n._c. Boca has a new mural and there's an address that did the mural is at the same address. Yes okay great fucking job. Buddy of mine was talking to at about the painting and he said the hardest part is the knows because it ends up just looking like dickhead. Yes the tip of a dick and i looked at the thing yeah cock and that's the thing i did notice them now. That's all i'm going to see. One of the best part is that it's it's on opponents yet right actually works. There's a cop on the inside of the building. Ed trask like did great ludar mary's on if you will yeah sure absolutely so what we're drinking legend brewing company's october fest now. I'm not a huge fan legend stuff find their brown. Ale is perfectly fine and stuff. Baucus solid brown or descend uncut not chocolate in the brown out the october. Fest is a beer. It's okay yeah. It's drinkable boozing it. It's it's booze yeah. That should be the tag on. It's got booze in it. I mean it's not it's not tasty i used to be it used to be okay. Okay i i i remember this is good but i don't taste that much different difference between this and the regular logger so my book is we all know which would knocked over fest. Mars is a different type of lager right right but i didn't notice a huge difference still little bit with october so i'm like okay. Well lis is still there logger. I don't know what they're doing now but this is even take longer. It's just it's a beer but it says on the thing just not just a beer. It is because my brewing company and the line line is going to be boozing. It is going to be our tagline for so if it's not like something super weird from like the netherlands or something like that or like duval kus this god damn and i love that beer. Oh yeah okay outside of that like. I don't give a shit about craft stuff. I didn't actually see slightly makes me angry. Just slightly. I linked. I mean it's hard to slight but i'm a straight more delo no fruit and cores late. I don't give a fuck all y'all well. Well you give you drink coors light beer version of white cloth seriously new except it's got a color changing you zip tobacco. When you're talking your sister. We're gonna go solid sound no cores light on ice with a lime in it. You can go fuck your sister right. That's good. It's gonna all right. I've seen this face before before the end of the episode your hit you something good bringing. It's going to be verbal because you're much larger that'd be that's where he starts getting naked or thrilling so we're getting naked and then throwing shit but yeah i mean i mean. The kids are in the other room. They're not gonna see it. It's a podcast. They're not gonna watch it but it will be burned into our memory of our live. Retinas retinas are so we're talking about. Crappy abode does not appreciate so. We're going to do something else. Vote doesn't appreciate with are making a drunken seen see fuck this fucking movie irking drunken see you it happened. You were having a really good thing and then we started segue and it goes off the rails. Just be bob from the stupid fucking move. We could actually get back to back from punk from nineteen ninety nine over the james came out your i mean man you bob. I'm up. I'm bob okay ready. I don't care either one. What do you want to be steve. Lever okay so i'll be eddie gap so this is pumped from ninety nine. Who's gonna be liquor store guy. I really am. I okay seen seen what the hell are you. Do we come from the east in search hurt. The messiah we followed that big star and franken from what the depicted fuck redoing see it an marror man. He knew what now followed this fucking star who god let you boys the students to get your boys back in the hospital hospital. No no no no no no. It's all right man. We're from england england yeah. I know i see it the way we seem weird man england that explains it i guess and seen he's actually i bring that movie. It's just made me angry blue mohannad just just so i when i see you next i swear to god. I don't even know what i'll do but i'll do something. I fucking hate that movie. That would be such a pile of shit. She it's the gleaming the cube of punk rock movie shake. Both of you do some of his best fucking. What was the style call where you did see you. Don't even know shut the fuck. It's called skateboard thomas hopping around township. There's a word for that hopping around stuff. This is what he's doing this. These young showed up at my house one day and went. Hey i wanna podcast eh he he started with and now it's game on base called zia boarding dumb ass skateboarders those here's what was that called there was a there was a it was just free. Uh skating tricks land trick. Antrix is not a style made that freestyle is three styles okay so it was there's freecell ramps and escape street skating and then there was the freestyle which is not as compass and all those technical and kind of hopping yeah yeah yeah so he was doing was hopping basically for credit seeing like flipping the board and standing on it. We're just oh yeah if you do it right like really stop because it was stupid i mean yeah looks shakes. Tony hawk got chicks and she was doing this. You know his sultry. Adam's apple is what did it for the whole train yeah but see it. Didn't it didn't work for here. Let's go back to punk rock. It didn't work for duane peters. He's like oh geico because but he did he did marry. What's her name from nashville pussy right. Was it right to <hes>. I think they had to get together yeah. They had a first kid died but then we can go to here's how we segue right. We duane peters corey whatever we're taking think about approves for a second but then we go to his ban the u._s. bombs which had the guitar player from the best punk rock movie of all times uh-huh suburbia verbiage much better than lesser appreciated penelope serious movies dude's with jon cryer the the power a trip to that movie you if you do not get the difference in the movies bhai hobbit saying penelope spheres other movie <hes> we're talking about a suburbia these fears suburbia not the not takes places over fucking quick. Stop talking about that. Movie yeah definitely not. It's not the same what who says it was cheated the documentaries to decline great. It took me years to watch the metal years because i was like i don't wanna watch fucking users great. It's just a fucking when from wasp is in the fucking in the pool with his mom can handle of garbage vodka and there's <music> empty bottles just floating in the fucking good. I seek metal in his bombers like fuck. This is what i raised. I did this. Wow allowed. Glamor shots paul stanley in bed with the women. It's like weirdly lit and he's just kind of weirdly central at the moment. It's like this is actually upsetting that cemented my absolute hatred for kiss yeah yeah absolutely absolute- but then the third one with the gutter punks was stupid stupid as fuck stupidest. I mean it's it's early. She started dating sam like twenty two year old gutter by minute after that was in the documentary. It wouldn't surprise me but it's like they have like this. I think somebody dies or some shit like that had like falls off the rails and becomes a heroin addict. I don't fucking know who cares but like it's supposed to be like it's supposed to like you're supposed to feel that's not what the decline is declining like them reading that fucking the first one is them reading the fuck and the the thing you've you've been consented to have your ugly likenesses using it would load the picture was fuck off and yeah i remember it was christian. Indepth was at and is like what is it like. New wave isn't new wave. He's just saying you don't wanna be punk anymore. But you still want to do blow at the party or some shit that's fucking tool right darby <unk> crash the germs just like fucking off the entire movie totally just like right before he killed himself to. I think he tried to kill himself on stage though right and they ended up bringing that up i had a guy <hes> one of the guys i work with <hes> he he was watching he was saying he was watching that and <hes> i just wanted to like set a camera in the room while he was starting to watch that because he is definitely <hes> <hes> i know i know he supports current and everything and like wow. I wanna see your response to that shows like could you imagine like having a does any kind of right wing. I like watching that and just seeing their silly friends from power tan and stuff that like when i'm just like no fuck this and fuck baton. This is that in the league my income because i've got that shit stupid. We should be doing this in the like what yeah well. That's a. That's another cool thing about richmond is that i have serious crazy political punk rock friends that are just like really annoying thing but then about fucking everything but then i'll go like twenty minutes outside of g._p._s. my way to my friend's house out power and they're just as fucking can crazy and there's like hey come on yeah. What what was that like my wife's and she was in the third grade. Kinda shit right right tattoos. I got a fucking dog's name raw here overly hand attached to when they're neck and that's it doesn't call the baltimore sleeve where you just get to like talk. Next book didn't heal right i didn't i don't know i swear to start with your neck. There used to be a thing dude. It used to be a thing. You couldn't get full sleeves. You couldn't get your hands or your neck done. Nobody would anybody anybody anybody legit yeah. Anybody looked at me back then. It was only like six shops right so there was like a full sleeves. Get before anybody would touch your hands or oh your neck and you had to basically have written permission from your job saying we don't give a fuck. Let's kind well. I say that figurative but let's talk about those shops the shops shops that have been around since these days. None of them are around anymore. <hes> really none of them. All is it was it was way cool tattoos. Yeah and that's why i worked yeah. It was created designs. It was lizards and host and red dragon came after creative surrounding brian was like would follow them that you had to send an absolute as well so i worked at way cool i then worked at the first absolute right and then we absolute moved moved to broad street where the red dragon on broad street is and then we moved back to the the last incarnation of and i quit the one that was on. They just moved again broad now yet. I'm back over to the bone. That's been on grace for like twenty years. We have at the first inclination was just the front room right yeah just like that that areas where the the desk and shit it is that was the entire show entire show yeah yeah and i like big time guys come through like timothy hoyer work there that and at this is a weird one timothy hardware and chris o'donnell work there and so i just went on just went. I just went to costa rica and i got there and i was talking into the cat about like he's ago. So what do you have done and i was like oh. I've gotten this from timothy. I've got this from chris o'donnell. I've got this from chef for ayrshire. Whitehead blah blah blah and this motherfucker had no idea who was talking about really the only person he was chris o'donnell. He's like oh so you've got some japanese stuff and i was like no no i've. I've got shit from the nineties. My brother who's three years older than me has a tribal on the small of his back from o'donnell back in very i'd like when red dragon. I opened nice yeah nice because it's probably a piece of shit. Oh yes yeah you can't you can't cut. You can't cover that shit. Oh no no no no you know i. I feel very fortunate that in the nineties. I didn't decide to get any fucking tribal work done as you talk. Some of that trump was cool three of our wire tattoo but i mean yeah that's not no whiter within like around the wire royer tag. I got twenty bucks bro can do for me. I mean i have pencil tribal like that. Jonathan shaw used to do that super fucking cool. I've got i've got got a piece of shit tribal on my back but i mean whatever and there's different levels of travel right. You're so i think i don't have i don't have tough guy have fucking rhinestone shirt and you don't have to george clooney from dusk till don gonyea and that's when i travel. That's what i'm gonna tell him that bullshit yeah like rupture underarm chose your muscles often but it was fucking almost impossible to and this was even back when tattoo shops relieving thing like there was no licensing nothing but you had to end to be able to get certain shit done oh absolutely had to be into even get into the shops some of them yeah i mean granted like there was creative and there was the red dragon but like and those were the hardcore street shops. Oh yeah those are the hardcore street shops and they literally only did flash like you didn't go in there to get anything. Especially you thought over yeah you could be a hey. Can you tell me this now. Pick that it was bare. Minimum like original work wake who was wake who was the first one that did custom tattoos in our culture in the city. We're sorry we've evolved a lot as far as knowing. What artists won't they don't. They hate flash. They're like i mean there's a couple of shops. Just just like straight. Do flash mostly talked. You're like that's the paycheck. You're bringing me the shit. That's what they told me but it's like. I don't know like i work at a bar. It's like i want to get the person that comes in and has a beer and two dollar every time it has ten beers as as opposed to the person that we're acts up ninety tab and i worked my dick off form and they live me ten percent so it's kind of like they kind of play. The game like this is stuff that we enjoy. I really enjoy doing that stuff. I just wanted to give me my shit right like the people that do get to do the fun stuff like brian bruno that does you know that does japanese shit that people fly in and make it a six months in advance to get tattooed by him right like he's oh yeah he's the do when it comes to that kind of stuff and then there's like i mean there's people at other places like there's this guy lance that i get on my portraits from and he's great at portrait's he's great and he'll never hear this but he is garbage that almost everything else. Let's every tetris thing thing like my buddy. <hes> chris wilson who looks worked at lucky thirteen he actually was in the drop outs and he he does a lot of like rap fix stuff stuff really that's kind of his style. He likes that like trashy. Kind of <hes> like old school like rat rod kind of cultured style detached to work and it's fantastic now. He can do other styles as well but it's clear that that's the one that he prefers because it's absolutely better yeah doin' like that. He gets excited exciting. You know he has fun with it. He's yeah he's gonna put more time and energy and share yeah yeah. I mean that's a definitely the that i mean you have to know what you're doing. At this point. You have to go to certain places aces like there's definitely places that don't even bother koi fish. You don't go to a guy. That's used to doing like ed hardy shit you know. Make sure you got to american tradition takeaway right yeah. Yeah i mean that's i mean. That's kinda the nature of the beast right it's just like everything in richmond in general like it's all that like it used to be like certain things things that you did at certain places and now it's just like whatever we have craft beer foodies inside bullshit food that is good also weirdly contrast lasting. It makes sense in my head because i've been around long enough to see it all come up but we are a foodie town. We are craft beer scene. There's this kind of like farm-to-table table. What kind of approach to a lot of these restaurants that are coming up and stuff but it's also like everyone is like super heavily tattooed and listens to like weird metal genres yeah the the <hes> downstairs basement german like off time whatever eight db like fucking black apparently there's a stock called black gays. He's which is shoe gaze mixed with black metal. You need to stop fucking genre genre. Apparently fuck off the fuck. Who who'd would you this. I miss out <hes> beca at fallout really because she listens to the like the dow shares basement off all this crazy. We're black metal. That's bizarre and so you got the hostess the waitress the kitchen staff the owner all just like heavily tattooed listening like crazy fucking metal serving like craft brewed beers as with like farm-to-table foods and it's. I love it because it's got this fuck. You punk rock attitude. That's become just immersive in the culture of the entire city <hes> yeah i could see that i can see i. I guess i've been in restaurants and bars my most of my adult life. I can't fucking stand it and i guess it also kind of crawls around the fact that i don't like a lot of shit. Maybe we've gone with the white claw. We've sat list and to be fair. I know might did at one point two but i know there. We had plenty of times where you were at starlight where we just be sitting there listening. Whatever doing our our remember sunday then dr light back in the day we're talking and talking about the monday nights where uh-huh yeah lower but some of us would still come in like krista rated and everything and then it'd just be like yeah we're listening to some descendants of in some random dude would just walk in ask for this author. Off-the-wall shit asks you to play some song and you're just like what we all sort of turned with our drake scored so my favorite was always when people like girls command be like it's my birthday so so this is weird but me and my four friends came in here because 'cause we coming in are dancing on fridays and now it's on monday but is there any way you can play and i go yes absolutely and and it was almost always at the gates i would always. I didn't care what the fuck they ask for. Take notice of the soul second every time and i would be stoked because it would bum them out so bad right and it was this because because sometimes we typically bows working so we try not to bother them if we can. We'll talk. We'll bullshit or whatever the close we're gonna make your fucking money and it also at the gates again. Fuck whatever say that i would do i i would do. We'll still argued with it but it was just like he's playing this a lot lately so there is a few songs that i would that would end with and like so friday and i worked at ah kid bar like i worked at like you know like we listened to all the new hip hops and all the new pop music and all that stuff on fridays and saturdays realized hip hop because there's a new hip hop is hip hop. The walmart hip hops right back in the days day day day what day ah yes all them yeah but so i worked at a bar like that and to staples were. Let's get it on an at the gates and so who i would close out saturday. I shit you not like four hours of hip hop and four hours of pop music and the last song would be at the gate start at the salt the fuck out so many people out which made it even better to me like even more the more you're bummed out about the more i didn't you assholes like us that we're just like fuck yeah. Can we stay for one more dream. Which is why then played. Let's get it on because you guys are like fuck. He's not gonna play anything cool anymore. It would have been the guy who plays oh shit. Let's get an okay because i have all that shit in music. You wouldn't dummy out by playing. Let's go. I'm just saying no no but it would come out ledge. 'cause i love that song right because there's certain songs that you can't not like so the one thing when i worked at sticky rice when i was adore guy sticky rice a million and a half years ago and they turn twenty this year they did shit. I used to work at uptown color where we printed up the sushi. I worked there probably eighteen years ago. He's shut up that was about the down there every friday and it had to pass this motherfucker just to go out to john and get so i would. I would be working the door and so like at one one forty five. I'm like turn the fucking lights guys and they're just like so. I'd have to walk behind the bar. Turn the lights up and get the fuck out of this fucking bar. It's two o'clock in in the morning. I don't want to fucking be here anymore. I'm not making any goddamn money. I make fifty bucks a day. No matter what the fuck you assholes do right oh yeah and so i'd be so fucking angry usually on friday nights so they would play whole notes sara smile yes so the reason they did that was because i love that song obviously for obvious reasons 'cause i love hall. Yeah and that's not a guilty pleasure. I love on ironic and then it was because it's my wife's name so if they were trying to get me to shut the fuck up for an asia asia five minutes. They played sarah smile. So every time you heard sarah smile back in the days it was because it was a copy the fuck down clicking my head. Now the the the pieces are finally starting to buy cigarettes. I'm wasted anyways usually back into at one forty five shit house i. I don't think i ever went to stick arrest just to eat. There's definitely there's there's some what is it infinite troops in richmond and one of them is if you're sticky rice past midnight. You're drunk and you need to go home if you've been there before. It's now twelve o'clock your house. There's no way you haven't done something stupid yeah and your house if you think it's a good idea to have one more drink. Let's it's just stopping it sticky rice. You should house. You shouldn't get that last drink. You should just go the fuck parts of me that time in my life has passed the parts of mi missed doing the bar crawl through through the field and i lived on sixteen hundred block grace rednecks burning couch block and we would hit a bogart's when that was on that was all go down and this was during the week where <hes> baja wasn't as rating like you would go in and they'd be playing ghazi and share closing. They are actually closing. I never really was a huge fan about how the great patio patios fantastic just so many boroughs hang hold on. I've gone into into baja. I remember when i first experience the ball and this was you know ten or so twelve years ago whatever go in there and they're playing like not bad music not like pop shirt current music auto shops plural yeah destroy the machines came on by like who fought played this and i go to the hoop. It was like dude who played this. Oh thank you sir. I also take any time you hear a straight edge band bar. I i play shit all the time and it's it's hilarious. I think judges come back around to sometimes i yeah i bartend upstairs at vintage and it's a straight club. Bob like it's like it's all hip. Hops and it's all like looks used to be yeah but it's upstairs so yeah so i bought her on friday nights and i almost always worst-rated shirts and it's hilarious so fucking funny strange versus everybody everybody had that people like what is jada edge shut up. What are you if you're at here. You don't know art to tie back into bond tie back into avail. We saw signed in quotation. Marks are our contract with lookout. After larry livermore left we signed our contract contract at baja really with chris chris applegate apple green. I think that's that sounds very apple. Green apple green selma he'd he'd ran that label onto the ground but we signed our contract which was us going. Okay yeah sun where no don't because none of us right back then so we would just literally right okay just literally went there because it was the closest place that wasn't our house our house stunk and it was eighty million degrees because it was the summer yeah he came well. This is what lookout can do for you and i think we're just shut up chris like here's a dumb ass. It was on the other side of the table when we were talking fucking larry about doing stuff right so yeah. That's where we signed our. I think we did see the. I think the last record last two records on lookout with that's where we signed the contract contract for whether they say she was look at what was the other one dixie was lookout. Dixie was okay was over the lookout. You tell us yeah. I don't know not i want to say i wanna say over james. Okay you guys can tell me a song and i don't know what it sounds like okay because i don't i. I don't know any of the names like i know the i like took. I know where we're at but like when we were when we were just a street in richmond and it's probably the name the train argue ready for a totally radical night of trivia with influence then. We've got just what the doctor ordered join me the hobbit back in ninety three the downstairs bar at switch r._v. Richmond's premiere papa bar on wednesday august twenty eighth for our very first switch r._v. nineties trivia. We're going to run through your favorite decade in the same hilarious style that you've come to know and love from geeks under the influence are totally tubular. Trivia starts at eight and runs until around ten o'clock p._m. So bring your friends and come join us for the most nineties tastic trivia in richmond virginia. Yeah that's at thirteen west broad street in the heart of the arts district. 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I i in the dark room in scott sedition in richmond virginia second floor. The hofmeyr building that's twenty eight eighteen west broad street on the second floor doors are at seven joseph joseph eight and it's free so if you're twenty one and up come on out to the dark room september first and check out our live recording. Ah booze clues for previous shows check at g._u._i. Podcast dot com or search anywhere you get your podcasts for booze clues one of the many shows on the geeks of influence network it like street in the fan area museum district area that you've got lombardi. Monroe park brings the the. I don't know how that song starts but all i know is that i have to sing a line in the third line of the song. That's the only thing so when i see the the the the the the sign on the shit. I don't know what it is. I don't have any idea i only know like simple scuffle. Model southbound wasn't f._c._a. Bell somebody yeah. It was about our buddy longtime ago. We were getting ready to go on tour right right relieving on like friday. Yeah we're leaving. We're leaving saturday morning action. Okay we're leaving saturday morning and our friend caught a got caught caught had spinal meningitis and died. Oh shit oh and he died. He died forty. I'm on friday how he tied for him and so the song is the name of the song is f._c._a. But it's it's four christie and alex alex is aldo from massive attack yeah except from you've mentioned that before i was like i knew there was connection yeah. I couldn't remember all the details when we played f._c._a. I don't know if it was friday or saturday. I was like where's aldo aldo whereas aldo yeah and that's me looking for alex because that songs about the actual album name like. I didn't know that yeah the only thing that we the things that we do. We always name that records after it has to be a title of the song or it has to be a line in the song pinned up satiate is from pinned up yeah and i don't really i mean when i know it's pinned up is because i had to tell sarah. The day that was called picked up. I call it satiate yeah. I do the town where i call it over. The james sometimes like ibm scuffled towns that we always did that like the dixie is dixie say sheets pinned up and then for him friday's f._c._a. Front porch stories. There's some fucking song on what i love about avail to is having listened to <hes> <hes> the four a._m. Friday dixie and over the james. I think the three that i had when i was in california share and so i heard all this all these songs that had references to richmond so what manica streets about connecting avails from here. I'm like no no because if you if you don't don't know you clearly don't listen to a bail. Nearly every other line is like an all throughout fucking loves. That's one thing that i feel like there's a parallel with the show is that we reach an international audience. We have fans all over the world sure but we are very richmond centric as well. Yes we try to make sure that we are we're wearing the badge of richmond absolutely so does avail but every avails bigger than richmond but it is definitely a richmond band a one hundred percent and i want like i've said it before like i think one of the first southeast punk rock bands and we are a punk rock band. Even though you know we have a lot of rock and roll influences. We have a lot of metal influences. This is whatever we're punk rock. No but it's clearly punk rock really wouldn't say like like my parents went to the show and they were like yeah that iron rican band was. I didn't understand them ah but they said okay well. I understand your music. I don't really like it that much but it was good rock-n-roll but we will front one of the first punk rock bands at said. We're from the fucking fucking south. This is our hometown. This is where we're from. We like our hometown and if you don't like it you can kiss our fucking asses with your tongue out like we don't give a shit yes yeah it was and it was it was super rare back in the nineties for anybody from the southeast to say that absolutely yeah i mean it was cool for you from texas. You know it was cool. If you from like the northeast the later where was it in florida the start at burn gainesville gainesville l. yeah hot water music yeah so we we went. We the first time we play gainesville. Oh we played two focke. What's goddamn name. They were in a band called <hes> it doesn't matter if they were destroyed but then they ended up doom band mm-hmm that got really really big. We played to them like that. Yeah we played it at a place called the night owl and we played the four fucking people to to which worked there and so we in the next time we came back we play delight twelve people and in one of the key to the people were jason and chuck from hot water order yeah and then we got bigger then and then there was this weird gainesville richmond thing back in the bag everybody but there's a lot of light yeah exchange with florida enrich from florida florida yeah gainesville for sure there was a big thing like you couldn't like between unlike us and then like and beretta an inquisition and strike anywhere like and then hot water and small brown bike and all these other bands that came from that era like we were just friends right right. That's a weird connection with but they never said they were fucking. Florida outside of florida weaned hot water could be from anywhere. There's what there's a radio free gainesville. That's the only one that they say anything about being well and then there was a i don't think it was how water but it was was it chuck that did something where one of there's other projects where he talked about the differences between front porches and basements who was a rumble seat no acoustic stuff which occurred from tom no. Maybe it was it was it was the band back stuff. You don't like sad bastard music. If you're old punk rocker and you start playing acoustic qatar you can go fuck yourself. You know you're talking about your cigarettes hundred percent yeah so i mean mike himself because he's done that too yeah. After the monster he should have died in a plane crash westerberg from the replacements <hes> and fuck that bantu and degeneration and again they could tame plane fucking. I don't give a shit like a lebombo plane crash yeah dude. I don't even want it to be a luma because people still talk about those mother fuckers right absolutely on every last one of the and some of those who are really close friends and i can't fucking and that music eh but i'll even pull a segue back into this is that that's one thing. We've always prided enrichment as well as that. It may not be what i'm into what it is but we've always had support for each other projects. We've done your band sucks it. I'm going to show up and support my support them alamo. She also aalto. I'll be i'll be out front twisters but i will go and that's it and there's only been stylistic like eras in punk rock probably early across the country but specifically to richmond where there was like street punk was really big for a while new i mean i missed a lot of those genres honest. I missed a lot of them because we were. We're here yeah. I moved here. <hes> social dropouts were like one of the bigger bands that were doing a lot of shows and stuff like that and actually chris good friend of mine and then couple of them started the creep is always as well and that's a super fucking fund band. I miss shannon but <hes> yeah there was a clockwork bully was another band that was doing stuff around all those the band i don't have any any recognition of any of those but then then it started getting into like different sub genres and then the whole armageddon records thing like even just a few years ago there was a lot more of that like banjo punk that was that was really big the every man and <hes> robin gallo. I love that. I love this shit the two already i really should push the. I'm going to bring it back to the old folk shit to where we just had the basic punk rock bands. You know you had your patches everywhere. You were doing your hair dying your hair and a band that always set which was funny just to talk about the time that we lived in at one point during the mid nineties. A band called five hundred dollar fine. Do you remember what was the name. The bandy remember no because zona though no oh no. They didn't know it was one hundred percent. It's it's but the reason why five hundred dollar fund is because at that time it was heavily enforced in the city of richmond if you were under the age of eighteen and out past curfew which was eleven p._m. You got a five hundred dollar fine. Damn holy shit the band. I'm thinking came from arizona. That's crazy dancing yeah how bad it was enforced. I don't know what's lead for that. Just shows the politics that we lived in highschool like we were following around these guys bo innovation everybody but then we had bands that were coming out like typical punk rock. We had to speak of the politics that we live at the time. That was fucking it. I mean there's a i mean it was just a touch a little bit on it. I mean you can think of even with even with available even with some of the stuff that tim talks about yeah like in monroe park like there's a lotta crazy politics right rope. We had a lot of crazy politics that happened and i mean i don't know if you remember but there was a point where the do that own twisters was like he was one of those dudes that would employ black dudes but didn't like mike them right and was outwardly lodge ed dropping and bob and yeah like in the days and so we had a big thing that we met which is super funny. All the bands met at the monument which is super ironic now but we all men were like fuck twisters for it. I didn't know we east. I won't stop playing twisters for awhile that explains because because it was just like fuck that dude i mean the and that was just it was a thing like he was never there. He was very rarely there but he was the owner and everybody knew it right and so we ban stop playing. Don't wanna put money in his pocket. I mean it yeah. I'm gonna just be complacent. Yeah i guess it like now. That's a thing right back then. That wasn't a thing like it was no club. There was no alley cats. There was nothing it was it was is literally the metro and twisters right flood zone if you were humongous yeah and then and then there's that always brings up. One of my favorite says says a you got rolling in the windows. That's the best ever had sure but one thing i've always these guys was and you've mentioned it before where you guys were actually the headliner but it was you guys <hes> rancid rancid and epa cac yeah yeah one the headline ranson open for you guys twice shit they do. They did it here and we in in santa rosa california right. That's they had just awesome. Then just got lars. Let's go was just being released. Believe a bigoted just an app timber ninety four. It was the beginning of my junior high school that sucks twenty-something right so you okay yeah so i'm i'm closing in on a few more years and i thought you know. I got ten on me because i'm thirty eight. I'm forty barrow forty which i i don't give a shit dude awesome dude. My thirties like so. I don't have to deal with all this fucking twenty four shit. This is amazing. I'm not dead and i'm not a junkie. Okay i've made it and i'm not sure that i i didn't like freak out and my team years so many people from the the seem then in richmond in ways i mean the heroine seen my girlfriend when we put out satiate was was a junkie. Oh wow well she wasn't she wasn't using like she had us before and then i was sober at that point and the way that we decided to date is like you can't drink or do drugs or anything right and so sh- she was sober for a couple of years and then i went out on tour and she had gotten drunk and i was like fuck you and we broke up and then she went back to junk for like maybe four for years holy that was a thing dude and and the reason she went back to junk is because she dated the drummer for buzz of and all those jews restore cold junkies that lived here. Oh yeah yeah she's yeah yeah. It's actually one of the band's. I did make lists. Even though we're not touching on nearly have a but again buzz oven for the weird music scene that has come come out of richmond yeah they were they were they put records. Yeah yeah and unfortunately there's a bunch of bands that i really would love to get into but unfortunately we are kind of towards the in here we haven't had some great fucking bands hit him real quick action action patrol fucking turning barrel backwards <hes> <unk> high i was i was a big fan of <hes> fucking engine down cable. Host got is fucking amazing p._c._p. Roadblock <hes> wheel bite. I went to the reunion show economic club yeah no i didn't i didn't go that was a leanings open forum which in the ladies another band that is right yeah well actually if you like girl i had the wheel bite shirt where its hands puking and eight punk. Fuck the rich and you mentioned about girl. Once there was a great band that it was probably twelve eleven twelve years ago called girlish figure the main person for that is out in california with the band called year of the fist fucking phenomenal another viewer fronted band that i think actually opened at the wheel bite show that they were from like chicago hog or something and ended up moving to richmond for a while and then moved away <hes> but i have their seven inch called raider and they did a fucking rad punk rock version of pimp and easy. That was nice nice back that that was really fucking good but i mean there's so many amazing dams. That device is is one of my favorites you mentioned go. We mentioned inquisition as well but absolutely yeah honestly i mean and beretta talk all my friends anywhere. I mean they definitely only when the more popular on the punks from richmond is probably avail strike anywhere and amaretto terms terms yeah yeah. Probably i ars popula- popularity outside of richmond anyway. I am proud that my old asked had remember cloud thirteen which is what did turn into the split between inquisition an an umbrella later okay. Oh yeah yeah yeah robbie's. I think so mainly team in strike anywhere from there was a musician musician okay california though didn't they inquisition strike anywhere strike it. No thomas did just thomas yet but now he's in that band the great collapse oh really they're so good. I'd like to name a fucking punk rock supergroup right there one of those bands but they're you're so fucking good all nice. It's like more angsty more like into like if you're from europe their way bigger in europe. They don't even toured in the states. They display is play in europe but there's another it's thomas in a more aggressive ban which is awesome because thomas i remember especially with inquisition was very you wanna talk about political very but still keep in like a great sound to the band assured l. Thomas was always super political but without shitting on anybody because i i love thomas. Thomas came from the suburbs yeah so he was speaking about shit that he didn't really know later in strike anywhere right. He fully knew what he was talking exact fully nude arash asher in this band. You're saying he's like he's. I don't know if he's super political because he's the music and just his. I mean vocal lines because i don't even what the fuck says really i mean i just listened to the vocal lines of it's catchy. It's catchy right. How many times did you listen to we gotta denko's by diagnostic and not know what the fuck you talk about this but still like but this that degrade collapses just fucking phenomenal yes. I'll check that out which i did want to bring up real quick like if you we've mentioned that we use spotify because obviously mislead that's where you can find our episodes on band camp. Dot com is a great way to find some these older bands as well you they asked for you chip in you don't even hat at like really have to pay a whole lot but to really find some these bands. That aren't lake big out there yet but they're pulling out gray shit band camp dot com is a great way to find a lot of these bands eight and you can you can donate base and if you donate it goes to the band hundred percent to the there's no portion that goes into spot a fire right another band that has been around for fucking evers channel forty-three and watching him drum and sing at the same like yeah scorpion jim yeah that scorpio look in like microphones set up that he's got ridiculous ridiculous bartends at the berry yeah what i loved is he drummed towards the taylor creepy and like they got way fucking more aggressive because they're drum kit can't easy. He's an awesome. He's been he's a good dude. He's a straight good conversations. Yeah we generally excited and he's never he's never bummed. He's never trump never like during the peak of bouncing time to add like a place called bottom line that was right around the corner from like alley cats down in shock bottom and stuff. We had channel forty-three in there all the time. Do you wanna talk about just all of them. Were just like hey. We're here to play you. Just tell us what you need and global and they would fucking blow the shit out and killer. Oh yeah it was. They're still around that. Just don't do a lot of shows every every five years or so. They'll just pop up eighty million bands because he's yeah yeah every redeemer in this fucking drummer yeah well he. He gave the first avail puncture presents cover band or the second one one of them yeah yeah because there was an ombretta with freemen right and then there was the other one where like jesus mark. We're gonna see now. We're having to go back even years on punks presence yeah. Mark was in that ban in how many years ten years not quite that long not least because we never we did it because i'm sure we would have done something right exactly coming up probably the ninth when they finish into something derek yeah matty every year mattie manage lloyd. He's like oh you want to do. This is like no really we get operation. Ivy cover band and all you gotta do is saying and i was like perfect. He's like so you're going to get you in absolute. Dhabi cover band does do a great job yet eighty degree but so that's the operation icy. Ask the only thing that we've ever puncture presence was this time when when they made they made the shirts or making abon best part about it is he showed it to me. I was like that's fucking hilarious and they and derrick okay with the band and matters like yeah totally nope dope. I was the only person even knew about it down. He didn't ask anybody dead speeches from it is hilarious argue with no and so the best part is there was people that like gear man. Hey oh yeah it's a mega shirt and there was other. There's like we know vail. That's hilarious right because they don't give a shit. We've never been political never anything and it's hilarious but but yet to be not political especially again i'm going to because the this was the nineties never wrapping this up. Now is because that's that's where i grew up in. It was never for political but to free the way you guys did food not bombs and stuff. We everybody in the community knew where you guys stood where we stood. We stood together jess on so so many things so. There's a there's this thing that can penn said so. Ken penn did this thing and i talked about it to somebody about being from the south at st straight confederate flags the whole nine yards and she was the song to was like kind of into that and i was like yeah one hundred percent she's like really and i was like read this article that ken penn wrote campaign wrote about the avail richmond shows and it was like it's not southern like here's our fucking flag. Here's what we stand stand for. This is what we believe. It southern like this is our community. You know everybody if you have a problem and i don't even if even if we're not bros. But but i'm like man i like i do that other piece of shit like we back each other right right and you say hello and if you need help you need to be picked up off the ground of the show you pick that person uh-huh yeah exactly that is a pity me ab- true deep south absolutely there have been so much that haven't so much and that's and that's that's where we're from and so when we were like yeah we're southern band and i'm like wow what about the whole like burning cross. That didn't have anything to fucking do with that. That's nothing to do with us as that. We are from richmond. We're very richmond centric. We don't fly any flags outside of richmond if it's has to do with us that's cool if it has to do with you. We we don't know about you so we're not gonna say anything about if it has to do with monroe park you know like that you know that's what we do and the tim even said it in the r._v. Magazine there's a line and was scuffled down. I don't know what fucking song goes where it says like ethel. Does the planet an attempt to keep the downtown clean. Nobody knows what that's about. It's about there's a place called the daily planet and it was a homeless shelter and it was a write off the side of monroe park and ethel bought it and bulldozed yeah and and knocked down so there was no homeless people in and around that which is another part of monroe because part of the integrated was daily planet they would sell the newspaper as a way to earn money and like this and we were super into all that kind of shit absolutely yeah building the community but it had nothing to do with anything else and we never never like. You've never heard any pro or anti government. You've never heard any pro or anti any kind of political issue that you know you might have where where there'd be fuck. I dunno abortion or whatever you know politics. We just don't do that because we don't agree yeah. None of us agree on that like there's a full full spectrum of everything in this in the ban that we're in and we just don't talk about that. Yeah i mean that's not being the focus of the music. It's also a very southern thing <hes>. You don't ask people how much they make your job. You don't talk about politics. They don't know about this fucking podcast network. They don't know my religious ideologies. They don't do it. Why political it really anything besides the fact that i am alive and i wear shirt that says something but that's about the general part of town where i live because we talk about traffic but yeah that's about it so when people are like coming by my desk to talk about their stuff i'm like i don't wanna hear about your shit. I work yeah. We're not friends like we're co workers and you might even be worker that i genuinely enjoy as a co worker but i still want to hear about your shit. No that's i mean that's like my grandmother brought up in me like that. Was something something that you did. You don't do that stuff right. You're just not allowed to do that and that's like a deeply southern and my grandmother was a fucking kant was a straight. That's the name of the episode she was. She was really strict about their fucking titles she with straight racists all those things homophobic and she was a fucking asshole all across the board however she was severely southern and right and the things that even though i fucking hated her guts like i got mean. That's just the way that i was brought up. Yeah we talked about fucking churn ice cream. You know yeah. My grandmother did that shit but couldn't be elected that yeah but you all take that shit with you. Oh yeah and then regardless good better but then that's where i'm at like you know like i feel i mean i don't do it as bad as granted but i make sure that my kids say please and thank you to fucking fucking everybody. Damn rate because everybody you don't you don't have to say sir and ma'am that's fine. I say i say surinam right thank you those are and if you don't do that or if you're not fucking especially when my kids if you look at somebody when you're talking to look at them. If you're fucking around on your phone and you put your phone down and deeply deeply southern thing absolutely deeply a respect thing in the northeast doesn't have that there's chicago chicago chicago like those places. Don't have that right. That's not a thing definitely have to say is that it kind of <hes> southern hospitality what it translates into in the punk scene specifically in richmond that i've seen is that the sense of community that we have in richmond because because of that kind of southern tone of like whether we have differences or not we are part of the scene communities and we're gonna be polite with each other to a degree sure well fuck nazi-skins dance but every time i'm not the biggest fan of lamb of god but you're not allowed to talk to you at all yeah. No you're not allowed so we'll call this when my grandmother was a fucking con yes and don't talk shit on my friend's band fair. Don't talk show my friend's band <music> friendships with those two things i expect from people as as like you get my back when i need it and be you call me and my shit when i need it one hundred percents not everybody needs to be called out talking about. This is a true friend will lift you up also be like hey motherfucker my best friend. Check meat constantly yeah and the best part bill. You should not say fuck you. I'll say what i want to work for you. I mean you have to listen to that. They at least they're trying share like give a shit enough to try. I cuss a lot my danna punk rock band so you can go fuck yourself. I would plug like the other days you guys have there are sold out anyway so it doesn't matter buddy routes isn't muddy roots is not sold out lights. Roots coupons pulled out. Don't isn't fierce alone. They pulled out to the the damned and fear pulled out. Does the only give a fuck about shit up stoke yeah yeah well but if you want to check out those dates go to avail richmond dot com dot com yeah yeah i think so i got all the dates are there but yeah is the only one that's not total yeah. Riches hugh me which is like three or four thousand people three days yeah right yeah. I was gonna take longer to sell out this four days but let's they had a bunch of friends. Go to mighty roots before and apparently a blast. It's nasty like you're gonna be gross by the heavy. I'm not fucking asshole. I'll be in the fucking hotel. I don't mind mentality like their little foca. Kylie rocket dirty ankles and sweat rings and stinking like asti and battle rotten vagina sex totally. Why are you talking about richmond. Punk rock nineteen ninety-four you yeah and you're on a show talk about sweat rings and we're reference check out of jail stuff if you haven't really dug into the the discography of avail like there isn't a bad record like no one's that our favorites and stuff but like. I don't think there's bad record. <hes> i enjoy them. Well let let's hear from bo what do you. What's your don't think there's a bad record. There's a couple goofy records for sure run the funder still fucking doc in fun on stage talk about fucking goofy totally hang foam fingers. Definitely everyone check that out. <hes> check out <hes> vail's website go to fucking muddy roots if you didn't get a chance to see them in richmond or don't <hes> didn't get the tickets that sort out real quick and all the other needs as well yeah then muddy roots is your last chance in for the foreseeable future and there's also a little goofy thing that the fans started called the avail tickets what page facebook and they still they sell tickets to each other face value well. It's radish salsa. Get rid of the first because if you don't know we had issues with the richmond shows like not like he's the only person the only person that got flagged for buying tickets was qatar player in his wife. His wife bought four tickets and he bought four tickets on the same credit card and they got flagged. That's the only people that going totally. It would be best for that story if he actually was scalping them for all right. So i was smart. I would have done a couple of extra bucks. It would have been really mad from twenty five dollars. That's a whole other. I'm aware of this. I love it. Thank you both so much for coming on things. I kind of run down memory lane. I'm fucking shit like that that that some which i miss but some i actually got a chance to see town and some needle back around. We'll southern pop back up as well and there's a new bands coming out of these bands as well still so we'll again i i don't. I haven't seen why cross play recently. They were back for a while because around too. That's another one that i saw the other night gallery five play yeah i mean there's definitely like you got to check out the new bands. I don't check them out a lot because i like listening to audit but there's a lot of cool coming up and coming from this area and then there's bands that are humongous here that not even talks about like d._t. Anna's on revelation they're the off the biggest hardcore big hardcore label in the world right and they're from richmond spend and they're fiercely fucking richmond to and there's iron reagan and there's the waste and then there's laws still guar and there's you know there's other bands that play all the time but i i just don't fucking about 'cause. I wouldn't mention to anybody listening. That's outside of the richmond area that you know your community where ever you are even small towns has a music scene. Share sure may not be huge or maybe bigger than richmond but the only way that that continues to be enriched and have more bands than have big crowds bigger turnouts. You know really making the move is going to the shows. Some of my favorite bands were the opening acts for other bands and then you go holy fuck who is disbanded ban and get obsessed with them and they become one of your favorites so that's fine those fans by going to the shows <hes> supporting your local music not just the shows from out of town that had come through do that too. I'm sure but make sure you're also supporting the local artists that are doing their thing because that's that's your home is it's. It's so great to be part part of that community. You end up making great friends with people that have similar tastes in music or or very different tastes in music and you can kind of like cross pollinate. Each other's music tastes you find a mutual point. Some absolutely but punk rock for me is definitely a young person's game. He's definitely after the yeah always always as i mean everybody was going to say. I know i keep talking. I don't give a shit but i mean everybody says it like. Punk is dying right and it's like no one's not dude. You're fucking thirty eighty five years old when you found your first punk rock band when you were a teenager. That was twenty years ago. I don't think that there's not another million fucking bands. That came out. You're just not there anymore. It's a lot harder for me to find shit. That happens because i don't fucking know about it. I'm not buying the fucking fanzine shows the more. I don't know what else is out. Show jesus christ last baseman show i went to was like hey pre back in like tooth breath. Go like the last time i went to a house show. There was the hospital which is a fucking rad. Venue is like an old building near m._t._v. on back road. The queers played there. Yeah it's like there was this like owned by m._t._v. that wasn't being used and they like got power to it like they connected it to the power. The grid and people just brought their own beer fucking partied and time it was a rowdy shifts like the original fucking barbecue man where you brought your own fucking beer august brought a cool. Just fucking garage brings fucking sandwiches and the individual. It's like you're going to bring you brought up guar today brockie and all the ones we've lost in the absence fluctuate new 'cause we've. We've lost some greats whether they were in bands whether they were friends whether they just yachters richmond's fuck what she did dude pro skater dude <hes> some years ago i forget name woman not develop rebel skate scooter racing stable in oregon oregon every she's the fat motherfucker won the lottery twice you know that right <hes> twice okay really holy shit and she stills fucking sold fucking talking flowers on the fucking corner of grey street and tried to pick up little boys. Come over here baby sit. There wilma's was lab. Come here a couple of flowers charge my scudo sitting in fucking scooter. The former payroll babies cut me a baby that is spot on woman. Don't know somebody's working on a documentary about women. I think it's something nothing you've got nothing that necessarily noisy but it was like a noisy thing yeah but it was super quick. It was like the the mike judge stuff it was like fifteen minutes when and when they pulled up in the news about it they would so it came it like tagline with doing something right because i mean she was a state. I can't impose babies. <music> sit in my lap all right well. That is all we got for this episode. Thank you so much for sticking around for a supersized episode of geeks influence and we'll see here next time for another episode. Mike the habit is always join us or die shut. The fuck up habit awed it by the way g._u._i. Podcast dot com <music> where drinking we're getting.
A Look Inside Spacebomb Studios, The Creative Hub In Richmond, Va.
"Matthew e white cuts an imposing figure. Not just physically. He's tall with long brown hair and a beard but as the founder of Richmond. Virginia's Space Baum records musically as well about eight years ago. He put out his debut album. The very first space bomb release and critically adored big inner since then space bom has grown to become a key part of Richmond's music world operating out of his sprawling warehouse in the city's Fan district. Here's Matthew we're GONNA forty five hundred square foot space. It's basically state of the art recording studio with off it. You know office and Employees Upfront. And like that is so ridiculous. If you could see the house that this started in a lot has happened here since it all began in two thousand eleven but started in a small attic has grown into something much bigger. Space bomb is a record label but they also handle management publishing production complete with their own recording studio Matt. Took me on a little tour? These look like to me. It's like a giant Marimba Zamora. Yes I'm wondering around the live room with nat where they set up bands and where artists can find almost any instrument. They could possibly want the chimes. The studio and offices are all in this one complex office in the front studios in the back and while Matthew e white may be kind of the face of Space Bomb. Two successful albums released there. It took a team to start the company and to keep it going. We'll space bomb is a record label that was founded on the idea of Richmond. Being a unique place with a unique community musicians just like at legendary music labels like stacks records. Space bomb has a house band. Matt is a part of that band and they'd play on lots of the projects recorded their. This is what they sound like all the musicians the main houseman owners of the company. So we come here. We make music and we also set and basically what amounts to board meetings and look for profit and loss statement so with which to be cleared. Some of US Honestly care more about another. I mean the point is is that like the people that own this studio and own the company and on the record label are involved in the day to day workings of the release side but also on the music making side. And I think that's been exciting. I mean the reason Steve Cropper left stax is because he asked her one percent ownership he given his life's work to building that company and they didn't give him anything has band the when you're hearing right now. They're this book musicians including Matt that came to the idea of space bomb as performers. But they had to learn the business side of things. Truth was when we started the label. it's it was such an ambitious concept that basically we had no history of doing doing it all from the artistic side or from the very complex sort of releasing and business side of a labeled. It's hard for me to say how little I knew about what is now. What the world that. I'm in now. So what do you do when you're not exactly sure what you're doing matt decided to make himself the test case as the founder of them the label on the kind of the head producer head creative? I thought that maybe I'd make a record. My own to sort of showcase. What we can do is a label. I made my first record called beginner and that sort of launched a solo career for me and unintentionally Although to be cleaned very thankful for that and that's been a nice side effect for this whole thing that album they inner was widely praised and that attention helped space. Bob Well kind of blow up a bit. It was also successful and being something that I could show too heavily press. Who was a friend of mine from Virginia Beach but was you know have starting to improve her own in Nashville? She came and signed with the label and we made her first record and You know beginner kind of kicked off the whole thing and without getting into every record we've release basically. Was that plus Natalie record that really kind of got the ball rolling for us. That song you're hearing from Natalie Press. She's continued to work with an advocate for space bomb to some trouble making her last record here. Her label who? She's not with anymore. Not Anymore was advocating for her to go to a New Yorker in La to make a record because they believe that that would be a better products and she walks for short she basically said. I'll do sessions in La with out sessions with not in that space and we'll do a blind test for like the radio people and they did a blind test for the radio people and the guys calling the shots and they were like Oh man. Now I'm sorry like we definitely have to go with this like so much better like. I'm sorry you're not going to be able to do it in a richmond. This is obviously the way to go. Which is what. Which one are you talking about this one? That's the guy first of all being enrichment and staying in. Richmond has always been very important to Matt and the label. Being here is our biggest strengthen biggest weakness a lot of people come here because they want to get out of doing things in New York. La or London or wherever but a lot of people. I think still think of it as kind of like you know. Sort of down home out of the way and maybe not like the the hip is placed to do. Make your art and I think both of those some of that works rock neighbor brought people fairly new muscle shoals that's great and then the other side of the coin. Maybe they're there because they can't be here and I think that that's just when you walk around the space bomb studios if you've got a Keanae you'll notice cardinals all over the place. A statue of a cardinal. They're painting of one here. The Cardinal is Virginia's state bird and it's their way of showing their love for where they are. Richmond itself is part of what defines the personality of this operation. I think there's a sort of a fundamental part of baseball is a like Sort of like a band of outsiders to be honest like we're in the non market city or not in La Nashville or New York We're in the south. Were not in the as far as like sort of Metropolitan Arts Communities Go. We're not in the most Sexy region broadly speaking. You know we all saw ourselves originally like as an island so space became a one stop shop providing those artists might need but couldn't find as easily in a smaller city Lake Richmond. There's always been a musician place and there's been very few industry connectors for the musicians to advocate for them to connect with them and manage them to publish them to release them. Like all those levers that it takes to get from musician to recording artist. Or whatever like there's been very few those levers in place over the last forty years and freshmen music Much less than there has been talent and there is a lot of talent in central Virginia. A lot of music makers for instance Matt and his fellow space bond founders all come from guard jazz backgrounds Matt Credits. One man and one school with having an outsized impact on the level of musicianship in Richmond Virginia Commonwealth University to State School located in Richmond. For a long time in the eighties and nineties. It was the best public music school in the country. The jazz program specifically was for famous and the justification world with a whole nother world but it was run by Manning Doug Richards who is like rattling dead poet's society. He's like a golden teacher. If anybody in this building anybody you know like with especially within the jazz community and people like that. Like why is Richmond? A special place for musicians they would say Doug Richards the first ten words that came out of their mouth. So there's Doug Richards the jazz teacher but Richmond. Like much of the South is also a place with a rich musical history that goes way beyond formal education. There's a very strong Black Gospel tradition in Richmond. The black experience in black music is the foundation the foundational truth to almost all music in America indefinitely all pop music. I mean I think of like like the Brown guys all those guys come out of the church or or still part of that. I can think of five ten guys off the top of my head that make a living now playing music come straight out of that tradition the awareness of the deep history of music. Here the love this place. Those things are important. They all factor into what they're doing at space bob records but when it comes down to it when it comes down to being an all in one kind of label and studio a big part of the music business is the business and it's all about figuring out how to make being a musician into assisting life. The reason space bombers in Richmond is not because of a like a blind local pride. It's not because I. I grew up in Richmond. And I love Richmond and die for Richmond. And I'm excited to put Richmond on the map. I am all of those things. But the reason that space by miss here is because the musicianship in Richmond. His actually better than any other place. I've ever been at if that wasn't the case I would probably be doing this somewhere else and also richmond but it is not a coincidence. That were here the reality of the the hard human resources that are here that they're pound for pound better than any places I've ever been. Thank you matthew. E White and space bomb records in Richmond. Virginia also big thanks to World Cafe senior producer Kim Jihad for putting this whole thing together. Mickey it sound so great. My name is Raine address. We'll be back in just a moment with more world cafe
Your Mistakes Can Bury You, Or Plant You #1061
"Getting your mistakes can bury you or plant you. Yesterday I shared a quote with you from the losing coach in the Australian football Grand Final today. I'm sharing a quote from the winning coach because when he was asked about the various mistakes and failures that they've made throughout the game throughout the season and throughout the years his comment was you can choose to let your mistakes bury you or you can choose to let them plant you and become the foundation of Greater success. So you can use those mistakes and those failures as experienced as the foundation stones of building something much bigger and I think that's a great way to think about mistakes in general failures short-term long-term. It's really up to you to decide how you treat those failures and those mistakes if you treat them as something that is overwhelming that you can't get over then yeah, probably you're going to get buried but If you can find a way to use them as Foundation blocks to use them to plant you you can actually go on and Achieve much greater success. So that's a quote from Damien Hardwick the coach of the Richmond football club won the third Grand Final in the last four years, which is pretty annoying for me cuz that's not my team and you know who you are if you're a Richmond supporter already that is it for today. I do. Thank you for your time and I will be back again tomorrow see
Saw Black Is Part Of A Vibrant Music Community in Richmond, Va.
"You are listening to world cafe. My name is reiniger as this week. We're bringing Richmond Virginia to you with our sense of place series sets a place when we dive into the music scene in a city or state or country. And really explore. What makes it all work? One thing that really struck me when we visited Richmond. A few months back was the sense of family there. Richmond may not be thought of as a marquee music city named like say Nashville but the artists working in Richmond built and are building a really vibrant special community. Today you'll hear from someone in that community an up and coming act called soft black led by Justin Black. This session was recorded at inner ear studios with help from our friends at W. N. R. N. in Virginia. It starts with the song really there. This is saw black Who Stay on. Its own as it turned out there. Dow Shuttle off. Aw You man her mama laughter in the county with heard she grew grow up faster than everyone show us in the public school. She was lost in the crowd. She wanted a car where she words didn't pain her much so she wrote within his music and he got caught. He was in the kick him out. Daddy had gone is staying Indian His car couldn't give Joe Rides to school anymore. So Mad John. John News the government's better about it and he didn't turn his. Music is loud thirties. Raina jurists this is world cafe in Richmond. Virginia your sense of place talking to saw Black Justin. I WANNA go back a little bit in high school. You played in a rock band. Yes you did not like country music. Yeah I would say that you know I liked in seventh grade. I distinctly remember listing my favorite to artists as Leonard. Skinner D- Will Smith countries in high school. Yeah maybe but I think I'd like to some sort of southern rock. You come from a musical family here in Richmond. Virginia I do you do so. Your grandfather was a jazz musician. Is that right? Yeah that's correct and you have I correct in The connection to the studio through your family's at true to that is true studio. We're sitting in your ear. My uncle manages the studio. That's the reason why I'm here. I'm not implying that's the reason you're manages the seal about four or five years ago. I actually painted the front porches here in exchange for learning how to engineer. And that's when I decided I don't want to be an engineer. I WANNA play music. And then I wrote my first record. And then flash forward to now. And now I'm the one behind the MIC. Instead of in their control. Real doggedness all black in Richmond Virginia for sense of place on world cafe. My name is Rena Dora especially with Americana Music Right now. You see a lot of people moving to Nashville. We're here talking to you in Richmond. Virginia why is it important to you to be a part of this music scene? What makes Richmond special? I'd Say I do love the music scene in the music scene has been very supportive of me Shout OUT TO W IN R N and W I r But for me it's more about the friends and family that I have here and just the community that I've built beyond music as well and Yeah I mean. I've thought about moving to Nashville at the same time. It's like I kinda would rather just tour there and come home and be here. I Love I love. I love the city so much. I love the river. I love my neighbor and landlord over here. These are like seriously my best friends. You know. It's this isn't like those in Nashville. These guys would be like getting paid like one hundred and fifty dollars each and they'd be like yeah. We learn the songs yesterday. These are like you know my friends and we have collaborated on other projects as well you know and we can talk to each other in a deeper way that doesn't involve so much industry or anything like that and I'm not not to don't play anywhere else but it's just I really like it here. It community it's important clues. This is saw black unrolled cafe. I'm Raina Doris GonNA get your next song in a second but first I wanNA talk about a band member. Who's not here tonight I've seen many photos of who have heard a lot about you. Have a dog named Birdie. Oh Yeah can you tell us about Birdie a little bit love to yeah? She's she's my dog. I bought her for twenty five dollars on the side of the road from a bunch of little girls. That were selling puppies But she's great. She's my best friend and we. We literally walked by the river. I'd say three hundred. Plus days out of the year you were saying earlier she would actually come on stage with you sometimes. So yeah we played a show at the Jefferson in Charlottesville. This was last Thanksgiving actually and she just wanted to come to the show so bad and I was like. I'm just going to bring your I. I hope nobody gets mad. And she came out on stage during our set and was just sitting at the front of the stage looking out the crowd. Like y'all like this. She she definitely likes. She always leaves in front of Curtis's pedal steel and were practising. Yeah I mean sometimes yes to kick her off because he can't play. The pedals unrolled cafe in Richmond. Virginia for sense of place. I'm reindeer as this is solved. Black going to ask you about your next song. You're going to play on called water tower for us to the child track from your most recent album. Can you tell us about the song? Yes so I came up with the idea for the song when I was interviewing my grandfather. My grandfather not the jazz piano player. He's ninety two years old and I was interviewing him just as a way of getting to know him better and I recorded it and he told me the story about my two aunts whose boyfriends in high school climbed at the Water Tower next to their high school and spray painted their initials on it and like drew heart around it and I was like wow. That's a really good way to show somebody. You love them to facing some property show in the whole school. So Yeah I. This song kind of just fell out after that interview. Is it a water tower like here? It's no longer there okay. But it was pictures of that original one. Though they'll find one he was in their yearbook. Actually so somebody took a foot of their yearbook and sent it to me. Yeah go right ahead. Takes few gave climbing the ladder. In the middle of the night would fall in love with pain on wall. It's glistening around all right show name of Watertown Attala bad word Takes gotTa Shake Gana Pain. You undo a bomb. I'm GONNA tell him that. GonNa go thank you so much. Saab black in Richmond. Virginia percents of plays. I'm rain adrress. Thank you so much for all of you for being here. Thank you W. NRA and everybody who came up tonight. Good night thank you so much. Raina count on road cafe.
How to Easily Set Up Pinterest Rich Pins In 24 Hours or Less [From Scratch]
"Hello and welcome to success. Unscrambled Catherine's Alvin and my focus continues to be to help. Ethical female entrepreneurs become wooo visible using comic marketing strategies. So that they can scale that business quickly gained time freedom. They need with the aft ones in today's episode. We'd be looking at how to actually set up pinterest which pins with examples included all right. Let's get into it. You've clicked Button then hit the apply no button but kind of seem to set up. Richmond's on petrous bunny days weeks and months have passed on the promise of success on Pinches. Only but a tree. Everyone keeps saying that the process is easy counseling report after report. A fellow bloggers who managed to increase the a-block traffic by two hundred percent. Five hundred percent and sometimes even nine hundred percent in a short space of time should be told you. Are this close to charing. You're here out or to avoiding any post. That mentioned pinterest. Ohio heart yearns experienced. That success just for yourself is it. You know. Maybe it's your blog. It even could be the platform you're using or just team. Whatever it is in this particular area I will take you through a number of ways where you you too can finally pop a bottle of probably after you set up. Richmond's on Pinterest so what on earth are Richmond's anyway? Well in case you're brand new to pinterest on have not yet had to go through to Albany Coal. Richmond's let me explain back in twenty fourteen pinterest. Introduce a new feature called Richmond's which in Layman's terms means that more details can be seen by the USA on European. Depending on the type of thin these details can include larger title more information in the form of descriptions as well as cold action but so far real-life example. You need to head over to the show notes. Using SUC success on scrambled dot com forward slash fed rich pins so I have to example the one with a pain. Such Mehtab Richmond's have not been able to another one. That Shoe Pin Richmond's enabled what you see when you head over to the show. Notes is a pain that has obviously a larger title lots of descriptions a call to Action Button Ephedra so this account has Richmond's enables for Article Pin specifically so you can see much information about the information behind battling that leads to a website. So in case you're probably wondering there are different kinds of bins. Yes they are. When Mitch Richmond Feature was launched? There was there will five different kinds of which means they will recipe pins. We pins article place spins on province. It means that a wide range of businesses was being accommodated with this new feature. However at a time of writing even producing this particular episode only three types of pens congenial recipe bins for pins on article pins interest also gives each business the option to remove bins. Should he decide to stage to do? So you're ready so an example of an example of of an article so let me Ethnic detailed view over this particular episode. What a recipe pin contain. So you'd have a title for example if you had a witness shoot a success. Unscrambled DOT COM. You'll see. I have an example of a pineapple upside down cake on on the on the actual opinions easy to title and Bull Pineapple upside on GEIC also see how many minutes it takes. How many how many people would be saved by tick cake as well as list of ingredients so head over to success. Unscrambled DOT COM forward slash setup? Richmond's I'm to get more information. Some experts me argue that the unready so much information on this particular pin that uses will not click through. However if you look carefully when you head shoots you notice that the method of the recipe hall to make the cake that is actual step by step instructions of actually how to make it is not included or is missing from the pin. I think it is a very clever idea. So that people who are interested in making pineapple upset on key could check for the ingredients first and then they can decide if they can quit. And you can now order to these if you need to go out and buy ingredients I before dubbing into making the actual cake so what are the five key things that you need is operatives before looking at the process of setting which means that's the cup the five things you need to make this thing work for you. You need a blog busse or an article or a post with recipe or a product you know actual link to directly to eat out specific product. You'd also need tags plugging Specically for self hosted would press websites. Not Anything else just would press. Websites have hosted so tat a plug in could be. You'll seo plugin where the oil made attacks plugging you need a pinterest. Business Account Setup also needs have interest pins to the URL so validation on noodles and access to the pin violator. Let's look at each each of these in detail so the blog post or corrupt or recipe. In order to set up Richmond's you need to have an existing obstacle that is life said must not be something that's in draft must be life published a recipe or a product ready to one key reason why many people fail at setting up. Richmond's is that they don't have the required item which is quite simply a blog post on article ready to be donated the to attack mugging so in this episode. I specifically looking again. I said I think in Richmond on wordpress website. If you're trying to do this on squarespace offshoot defy or XY. You can fill overthrew. Show notes that success unscrambled dot com forward slash setup. Richman's have left Lincoln astronauts to specific resources that covers space-based shelby Fi. An XY okay. So he wouldn't leave you hanging next stop you've got your pinterest business account a kiosk record getting. Richmond's able to the fact that you need to have a pinterest business account this kind of be done on a pinterest personal account. Richmond's will not work not called account at all A very fine business. This is one thing that you may only mean each Later on in Be so you I will be go through it. You have the fact that I got a gun without the Business Account already body to watch again headed with shoots that success unscrambled dot com forward slash setup. Richmond's so it is possible that he may have set up a business accomplish what you've got to get verified as they would call it to claimed websites. So if you're in show what I mean You can head over to the show notes and you see. I have an example of Colleague of mine Way It shows you that the website has been paint. You also need as I mentioned a pin access at the final step of the process Richmond's is the application via pinterest have to go directly to pinterest website having been leaked. The Pin Valenti's son. Show G getting your rich. Pin Profess processed application process again of left. Lincoln show notes with a direct link to depend volatile. Alright so rich and set up on Pinterest as I mentioned briefly dispossesses setup to set up which focused on Good Press Book. The first thing you need to do is install a plugin that helps attacks. Many bloggers believe in the s the Joost Seo Plugin which works quite well. What he asked some instances meant it doesn't work that's fine. They are Russians. I would be adding a second option in case you don't have the use mugging one of my websites has the Owen one. S Your program. Which I've had for years and he is not like an older to give you the option to suckle information from the all in one. Seo knocking into the use one is just look for me so even even I go through providence when it comes to tech setting up the technical website so I decided I wouldn't use the SEO because just isn't sucking in that information so use a different one. We'll talk with three shortly. In the meantime you head over to the plug INS. Click on adnew such for use on. You should see in the use. Seo pumpkins any results. Installed spoken and activated head over to social option on to use menu then showed at the open graph on facebook. Tab is enables. One side is enabled. You Click on Pinterest TAB and there. You will see the option to confirm or very upset with Pinterest K. Once that is done on dust We re looking now at the option of trying to get it set up without the use. Seo Property as I said before I have encountered many cases web experienced difficulty setting up Richmond's using use it creates alternative. It's absolutely amazing. Is User generated plugging? That is not specific to any brand or anything like that. Had the one iphone three well most of the time all the time his All Meta tags and that's E. L. L. M. E. T. A. T. E. G. S. all mattox. The plugging is flogging by Space X. Jim Looks similar to the screen. 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Richmond's Iside to walk you step by step doing one myself as a blog. I have several blogs that I have not set up on increase up yet on pinch wrestle it would make sense to me to do one from scratch. So I've left screen shot of my brand new prejudice account pinches business accomplish. I sat up on. You would see ban. It was only created recently just before recording this particular episode. So this absolutely nothing. On adjusting typical credit screen shut initials had owner with a success on scrambled dot com slash The first thing I want to do is edit a settings unclear website so I'd All Meta tags mugging activities on wordpress. Because I couldn't use the use plugin identified the section where I need to please the pinterest verification tag and then I You can see that begin. dot initials and then. I chose which looming barbecue option to us from the options of readable on Pinterest The one I chose because when you go into pinterest and he wants to claim the website as your own the option to add an html tag will upload and each file on your website. The one I chose was to at any time because looks really well with the orange Looking for with brush so off the choosing that option and presented tag on the tag is given to me. I just want to copy information on pace it into that. Same Section in the Omega tax plugging with says dooming verification pinterest and Google plus and all of that I grabbed the code. A stick it into the tax in my breast sites and Pinterest. Lets me know that it will take twenty four hours to get completed so Once done that I am now going to process of getting my pinterest account. Ready for setting up Richmond's so before setting up which means I have to make pinterest competent bit presentable. So if you had it overshoots you'll notice that my and I felt the pinch account it's long distance images in boards is nothing just the logo. Nothing on it and you. I don't know when you're GONNA listen to spot cosmic going ahead of her but you actually go and see that the pinterest business account is not verified yet and that's fine. I just wait for that to happen. What I did then is. I went into my interest business account I created forebodes for different boards Some monks similarly related to each other in Tim's but very focused on different Particular Pinterest missing competence under relationship Niche So I created. Forebodes crossed for different areas becomes relationships. I filled them with other people spins following from that. 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Both I stick it into the validation pinterest. The Richmond's volatile aunt. You'd have if you don't get to the show notes. I have images showing you step by step what I did so you know that I mean I'm not talking about something. I did five years ago ten years ago three years ago. This is something I'm doing while I'm actually recording this crappy salute you over the show notes. You screen shot on his C. I. You'd see there. I have have nothing special to the bubbles Yariel at just plain and simple sort of you know to see it is shown what you can find success on scrambled dot com forward slash setup. Richmond's kicked But I immediately got congratulations. You paint your Richmond's are approved on address on it. Shows me domain onsite? Need so right before your eyes. You see established account that has been gaining zero followers hitch. It's only just been created honorary before your eyes is evidence that process set up. Richmond's on settles would press site. It's pretty easy and straightforward and I didn't use a use Seo Plugin use the Meta tags blocking so I show you pictures before and after of a interest in so it seems in my opinion that pensions is violating the pain before Because when a claim the website it seems as you just automatically validated. But I so mentioned a process of validating justification Because before and after pictures actually shoes the pin showing reading lodge titles which is a a sign of enrichment any toss Longest get all of this done was actually creating the pins for the blog posts. Because like I said it's a website that had new Pinterest connections auto before so I had thought that whole process over again from scratch over again Sadako process from scratch brand new sign. And I Bryan. You side actually probably seven years old cat. What's up in the years old and I've never used. I never have never connected and pinterest before so there you have it. I did what I said was very easy and straightforward strum from scratch. And I use it. I got my pin Richmond validated using the war. Meta talks plugging. It might be. That is a secret to getting a Richmond's approved some interest with those of you who have great difficulty getting it done so. Try The ormond attacks mugging my advice. Can you is to try all seven items in show? You have claimed your website. It might be approved yet but at least claim that insurance you account must be a Pinterest. Business Account create new pens for the blog. Post you are that you plan to each place a fabric fabric on your website as well and to the correct code in the Metro. Talk plugging so Actually spits out a cooed. The PIN verify. You just take that and stick it into the Meta Tag Brogan way it's shown Absolute shuts in the show notes to head over to success on scrambled. That come forward slash setup Richmond's find find that Financials actually a creates or you have four to ten. Different boards filled amid Pinzel quality people spins and then fully specified levels. And you're going to be violating. Make sure you've got pins on pinterest oppose and complete information on your interest business account as much as possible. So I don't see why you're Richmond's validation would be delayed if you're doing all of these things correctly. What pleased to give it a try and let me know how you get on so now ovacik you what has been experienced setting up. Richmond's on Pinterest to share your comments in the show notes. Cause what you will be going through struggling with. Someone might be to help inch not meet someone else who is also commenting on this particular comments in this particular show notes episode so whatever you do remember Subscribe to success unsquashed. Podcast where you'll be the first to hear what's happening. In Channel Digital Marketing. They'll positive review of this particular. 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Jennifer Armour and Donna Jo Richmond Homicides & the Golden State Killer
"Money sex drugs. Power kit back out, a jilted lover or motive for homicide new H and original series, follow stories from total trust to true crime. Vengeance killer lovers Sundays at eight on H L N Jimmy Butler, see himself as a bully the saquon Barkley thing he can be the greatest running back of all time. Well on my new show take it there with Taylor. I'll get all those answers from your favorite athletes. Tune in on the be our app for new episodes every week Joseph diangelo is facing thirteen homicide charges and thirteen charges of kidnap with intent to rob in connection with the Golden State killer crime spree while law enforcement believes him to be responsible for the many rapes attributed the east area rapist spree do the statute of limitations. They cannot file rape charges at the time of this recording. Joseph diangelo has not yet entered a plea and his awaiting trial. All over California. The community was taken hostage brutal homicides. One of the prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. Lawrence the national campaign to help identify Golden State killer. In the aftermath of the arrest of Joseph James, Di Angelo as the suspected Golden State killer. There have been many cold cases mentioned as possibly being related to this crime spree to Larry county has to homicide cases that have been speculated as being devised salia ransack oh for years now and both have received a lot of attention lately. The Jennifer are more and Donna Richmond murders. Fifteen year old Jennifer are more disappeared on November fifteenth nineteen seventy four while hitchhiking high school football game. Her body was discovered days later in Uruguay shin canal. Her case remains open and unsolved fourteen year old Donna Jo Richmond disappeared on the summer. Twenty-sixth nineteen seventy five while riding her bike to her house near Exeter. Oskar Clifton was arrested convicted of her murder and sentenced to life in prison where he died in two thousand thirteen he always maintained his innocence. We're exploring both fascinating stories with. Sun gazette publisher, Reggie Ellis and editor in chief Paul Myers and unmasking killer supervising producer Todd Lindsey, we break down the evidence in each case as it relates to Valia ransack or suspect Joseph changed the Angelo's alleged criminal time line and discuss whether either homicide should be attributed to the Golden State killer. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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Join us again to share what they've uncovered about the Donna Richmond, and Jennifer or more murder cases. Nice to have you guys back. Let's start with Jennifer are more can you quickly? Tell us that story. Jennifer marquess has you you have a young vice Eliot girl who goes missing. And they find her body in one of our major irrigation canals between extra and would like and her hands are tied with her own bra. She's naked otherwise. But, unfortunately, she's in the water and she's in the water for I think about forty eight hours. So there isn't a lot of evidence on her crime. When by the time that they find her this case doesn't get a lot of attention Exeter again, because it's a vice alien missing persons case. And so they kind of treated. As a vice area. Shares department case exit doesn't really get involved in it. But last year the player Kenny sheriff's department, they have a cold case unit. And they started reopening this case, and they made an announcement last year that they they do believe that there's a possibility that Dangelo did commit that crime. And then he has been added to their list of suspects for the first time last year. It's very old case, right? She went missing I believe at seventy four. She was hitchhiking solo on her way to a local football game. And like, you said all the forensic evidence is pretty much been washed away, we covered this story briefly in digital episode that we did during the original episodes of unmasking killer. And at that time to Larry county sheriff's department mentioned that they believe they have, you know, suspects. But you know, it was hard to prove because there was no forensic evidence. It is interesting that now they've added de ngelo to debt list of suspects. But they had also asked for information in regards to this case on Oscar Clifton, which brings us the Donna Richmond case, so Paul why don't you tell us about Donna Richmond before? Before that one of the other suspects in the are more case is Oscar Clifton who then is the primary suspect if you will not be convicted. Yeah. And the done Juraj men case so done Richmond was sixteen years old. She was murdered the day after Christmas nineteen seventy five what the case explains is that she was writing home on her bike from a friend's house in Exeter, maybe on the outskirts at the at that time it was at that time. Yeah. And Oscar Clifton and his white Ford pickup truck saw her writing or bike and kidnapped her took her to an orange grove stricter of her clothes bludgeoned her choked her and stabbed her seventeen times and attempted to rape her. There wasn't any evidence of penetration. And the autopsy, but what? Prosecutors were able to find was semen on her pubic hair, which was part of the key evidence later on in two thousand eleven and now after appeals and review she her body was left face it down. And this orange grow for I think two days until somebody came by and found her I think the later on that day Oscar Clifton was arrested and the next in the following year. He was convicted conviction that he maintained that he was innocent up until the day. He died in prison. Right. He did. He did there were several like I said numerous heels over the course of his prison term. Yeah. I mean, there's there's so many interesting aspects surrounding not just the investigation the evidence. But also the prosecution of the case, you know, that said the Larry county DA's office put on a press release this month, stating their conviction review unit. Reexamined the case, and they concluded that the Angelo was cleared by DNA. China and that author Clifton was rightfully convicted. What do you think about that that that's right? There was really one Oscar Clifton supporter who said that. This is totally phony. You guys aren't looking at the at all the facts of the case a conspiracy theory that the district attorney's office his defense attorney and the sheriff's department all and community members all colluded to get Oscar Clifton convicted. Wow, convicted back in today. Or are we talking about there's a conspiracy theory by now they're sticking to the Oscar Clifton verdict. A back in the day the review units, they don't really look at the physical evidence that that remains in two thousand eighteen what they do the DA's conviction review unit. They look at the analysis of the evidence. And so when DeAngelis DNA became available. They tested against the DNA that was a from that. Pubic hair on Donna Richmond compared it to the analysis that was done on that exerted actually retests not done themselves. And they found that out of the the re DNA helix locations that was the partial profile that matched Oscar Clifton only two of those three locations on the helix itself, matched the Angelo. And you have to have all three you have to have three to be a suspect. You can't you can't have to. Now, there is a significant group of people who believe also Clifton to be wrongfully convicted. And they kind of wrote a statement to DA's report that that questioned a lot of things including saying that there was no semen found the review unit was basing this on faulty tests done back in the day has your research shown anything going either direction in this argument. Our research is gone to kind of prove the DA's office, right? In this case, and what we had found we've been in contact with other folks who have said that the partial DNA profile was illegitimate and so on and so forth and other types of investigative techniques. You know, as as much as I'd like to look into that as a journalist. The problem is that we don't have evidence that any of that is true. And when we've asked them for evidence to prove that they haven't provided anything either and we've gone to the courthouse here until every county to ask for all. The documents pertaining Oscar Clifton that we could get our hands on and quite frankly, they're just not available. They don't exist been purged when I say that. I mean, they've been purged for space reasons, but another key point to kind of close supporters. I mean, not that I'm not sympathetic to people thinking that family member friend was wrongfully convicted, but all of the courts that Clifton appeal to all turn down. The appeal. They wouldn't even take up the case. And in some cases, the judges in those cases said if we take up this new evidence, you're presenting it's going to look even worse for Oskar Clifton. So there's no reason for us to reopen this case and try it on appeal in your estimation. Based on what you know of both of these cases, do you feel either are connected to Derain Secker and potentially Jodi Angelo. I'm staying on the sidelines for the Jennifer armor case. However, the Donna Jo Richmond case, I am. I am convinced that it was Oscar Clifton until there's new evidence to say that it's not because nothing in that case speaks to any MO of Joseph Di Angelo. Because in this case when the when author Clifton his driving back he has done a Joe's close in his in his truck, and he's throwing them out the window on his way, home, you know, he left the body where people could. Find it. There's nothing in this case that makes me think that it was Dangelo. Well, and the MO and the Richmond case seems very hectic and scattered and kind of the strategic GS K type of murder, and then in the Jennifer Marquette, I think that it's easy to say it's easy to want to blame the Golden State killer on every unsolved crime in your community. Right. If you're one of these communities that has been affected by this person and fits in the time line, you just want to say like, oh, well, it's probably the k- like, well, okay. We can all say that. But that's still only one guy. And so the chances of that one guy being responsible for hundreds more cases is unlikely at best. Yeah. And also like to point out that in our conversation with Paul holes. He he very much was like look for years for those forty years investigators at least he says to the last twenty of those forty. Years and he was part of this team. The team was looking for other cases that could be connected because they thought look if we can find another case that we can link maybe he made a mistake in that case that allows us to identify him. Right. So so investigators looked for a long time to find other cases that fit this profile that fit this pattern it fit the details of the Golden State killer. And you know, they connected what they could. And and that's all they that they have. So there's always a chance, right? But there's another case out there that somehow makes it onto the Golden State killers list. But I think at this point law enforcement feels like they most likely have them. I would say, you know, in the Jennifer Omar case, I don't see anything that says it it absolutely wasn't de ngelo. So I think that that he is a very viable suspect. In that case in the sense that even if it doesn't match the IMO completely there may have been some sort of evolution going on with de ngelo at that time. And I think if there wasn't so much evidence against Oscar Clifton, you could kind of make that same case in the Donna Richmond case to that. Maybe he was figuring out. You know, what he wanted to do as a serial killer for lack of a better term. So I wouldn't rule him out for the Jennifer Armar case. But again, it's so easy to kind of the finger and say, well that one was GSK and that one was GS K and that one was GS K. I mean, it's probably not see it's hard for me to make the jump on are more simply because it's you know, it's first year of kind of the rand sackings again if Jodi Angelo. Was the ransack or you have that. And then you look at east area rapist, and he's really building himself up to get more violent and stronger. And and then even the first murders in Galiba, he wasn't able to go through with the sexual assault. Like, he he ended up just killing them. And you know, it's not really until you get to nineteen eighty with the Smiths that you're like, okay. This is you know, he's able to fully execute. You know, a fantasy, you know, as the Golden State killer kind of you know, that was kind of the full circle thing. So to almost have you know, what six years earlier to be able to suggest for our more murder. It's you know, you're kidnapping someone. You're putting them in your car. You're taking them somewhere. Like, there's a lot of risk every step of the way. And then to almost like, I guess lose that that excitement and to have to build yourself back up to having the I don't know the courage, or the whatever it takes it and commit those crimes again. I don't know. I'm having a little harder. Time seeing him jumped are more. And then kind of go back in time. So I've told her to this on numerous occasions now, and I'll repeat it is the only thing that cast doubt in my mind that he would have start. He would've started murdering while he was an Exeter is the I don't know what his intentions were with Beth's nailing. So when he was taking best nailing out of her out of her home and was confronted by Claude smelling. I don't know where he was taking her to. So I have a theory on that. Okay. That's a good theory. So okay bear with me here. I don't think. And again, I go against a lot of law enforcement on this. So, you know, we're all just theorizing here because until someone speaks, you know, we would never know. But in my mind, he'd been at the selling house several times, and I don't think the rand Secker getting committed most of the burglaries when no one was home. Right. So I think he'd been at this nailing of Hugh times, and he really think worked himself up to being in her room and just. Watching her sleep to be in the house while people were in the house. And I think what happened was he was probably there as I know when I go sneak in on my kids at night, you know, they kind of move and you're like, oh crap. Just woke among and and it turns out. No, they didn't. But you know for moment, you're like, oh, don't move. Don't make a noise. We don't wanna wake up in the middle of the night. And I think he panicked and probably put his hand over her mouth thinking. Oh, man, if she starts screaming, I'm screwed. And so now all of a sudden because the hand goes over her mouth, she does wake up, and it's like, oh my God. Here's a mass man with a hand over my mouth. And now he's like what do I do? I'm standing in a militants housing. My hand over her mouth. I gotta take her outside. If I let go my hand and run she starts screaming. And I don't know if I can get out. So I think he took her out as a way out as a hostage somewhat speaking. Right. And I think in the noise that was made obviously, the father wakes up confronts at the door, and he has no choice at that moment, you know, to to shoot. And we know either from cloud smelling as well as the majori that he doesn't mind shooting in self defense at this point, which is very different than a sexually motivated murders. So I agree with you. I don't it makes zero sense like go and take this girl. He didn't have a car ready. He didn't he got there on a bicycle like, where's he going to take her? I just don't think he was planning on taking her. I guess I would say that. I find it hard to believe it someone who had been so strategic before. And after would have made that kind of miscalculation. But I think you're right. I think maybe there was an evolution there. Whereas the first time he entered occupied home or heavily. I mean, everybody was home. It wasn't just it was the mother and the father the daughter and the whole it was a house full of people. And I think that point about kind of his thing. Think about it too. If you're doing if he was successful with Jennifer or more, right? And he was able to do that. And not be caught. Why would you go into best nowadays house in the middle of the night? When you have a whole family there. Why not just wait to pick up another girl on the way home? Exactly. And another thing. I'd say is the one thing that all the GS K crimes have in common. Whether they're ransacking or whatever is that. They all center around homes, so attacking two girls in the middle of nowhere out in the countryside. Doesn't match the IMO in any way, shape or form anybody if if the cake killed someone outside of their home because he ran into them leaving a home thank the majority's. Yes. So everything is centered around neighborhoods and being in a home. And it's all about, you know, a dwelling. And so a tacking these people out in orange grove just doesn't make any sort of sense to me when it comes to the Angelo, right and. So the mystery continues now whenever no and now, we'll never know. Maybe do you think DeAngelis will ever talk? No. I don't know. Why would I think that if his attorneys smart as a turning would say be quiet forever? And this is something observation I think this is what makes the case. So unique is that he is not the typical media hound that other serial killers are right. I mean, he if anything is the most secretive private and reclusive serial killer that we've ever come across. Because generally, they want some kind of credit after they've been caught they want to tell everyone about what they did. Yeah. There's no sense that he wants to have that recognition to be thought of in the same pantheon as zodiac and everybody he just exactly want anybody now. No, he is all about self preservation everything. He does is about getting away with it. And then enjoying the fact that got away with it. Taking credit but getting away with it profiler is also describe him as arrogant, and I and I think if you're you're very arrogant like high was able to get away with this to now be caught. I mean, if he gets harder to than go be like, you got me, you know, I think at at a certain point while if I don't say anything, you know, because technically doubt, right? And I guess technically if he dies in jail before he's convicted he's technically not the Golden State killer. And you know, what the fact that he doesn't want a lot of attention kind of speaks to how disciplined he is. Because I think that it takes a lot of disciplined in your mind to say, I did this. Nobody's going to know. And I need to be okay. With that. Thank you guys both so much this was super enlightening. And thank you for sharing everything, you know, great having you. Absolutely. Thank you for having this. We really appreciate your time unmasking killer supervising producer Todd Lindsey has also researched. The Jennifer are more in Donna Richmond homicides extensively with us. And he shares his thoughts about whether either could be the work of the Golden State killer if you love murder mysteries. Like, I do you're probably a big fan of Michael Conley? You know him as the best selling author behind the Harry, Bosch Rene Ballard novels. I've been reading stuff for years, and I was very excited to hear that he's returned to his roots as a journalist with. 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Also in an orange grove also orange grove, and what did we decide the distance between? I want to be quoted on this. But I don't know somewhere between one and two miles. It was a little over a mile. So a little over a mile so pretty close, but not that same ground. I wouldn't say that I it points to the same person being responsible because they're far enough apart where it could have been a coincidence. Correct. And there's some there's a big street that kind of separates there is he's area. So the way that we're talking about extra advice vice being so close in so I selected we can't really connect these two in any other sentenced than they were both founded in orange grove in orange grove in relatively close to each other. But not the same location. So we had done an extra kind of web sewed on the Jennifer are more case as part of our first five episodes, and when we spoke to Larry county sheriff's department because the body was found in not vise alia proper into Larry county sheriff's of the city limits. Right. So does sheriff's department is the agency that is in charge of that case they mentioned that there were some suspects. But no one could have approved someone had been put through a lie detector. Test and didn't pass. And so they were kind of waiting 'cause I this is only gonna get solved until someone cracks leave. They kind of have their group of suspects. But then not and so the Donna Jo Richman case, you know, she was on her way home from a friend's house and on her bike, and then didn't come home was later found an orange grove bike in one area. She was heavily beaten and stabbed her bike. And her books were found dumped in what's described has behind her house. So it's thought that the killer left her stuff there by her house, which she was found is somewhat the same area of town as to where she lived. No, I don't think so, but it's not far it's closer than let's vise alia. Right. Right. She was she was ready closer to home than she was in the orange grove has. We mentioned her house was not too far away. But I always did to you on a strange that the killer took her possessions and dump them near her house, which is strange. Jennifer are more still cold case, Donna Jo Richmond amend named also Clifton was charged and convicted and sent to prison for her murder. He has since died in prison up until his death. He always proclaimed innocence his family believes he's innocent. There are some lawyers out there who are working very hard on his estates behalf to try and prove his innocence. The point being that with both the Jennifer or more ended on Richmond being you know, one cold case in one questionable. Fiction case at the time that de ngelo was there does this apprise. You people think that they're connected. No. I thought they were connected when I first read about it just seems logical. And now that we know more about the Syra killers and how they operate. We know that they can dump several victims in one area because that's where they feel comfortable. So it made sense. And we always thought that the girls have been found much closer than they actually were. So once we learned the real information, I could now see that it. They definitely could have been done by separate people didn't have to be the same guy who murder both the women. So having really looked into both cases. And we did. And we've talked to a lot of people and did like rabbit hole. Deep dives into each of their arguments. Where do you stand on both of those cases now? Yeah, it's you know, I really haven't been convinced either way. Now, there's a lot of evidence against Clifton. But it's a lot of it is circumstance. All of it is right. There's no blood tests or DNA tests that connects them to that murder. You know, there was a time when I really thought that the Angela had to be responsible for Richmond's murder specifically, it just seemed like the timing. You know, it's a week or two after the shooting of sergeant McGowan, and it just seemed, and then it seemed to fit his pattern of trying to frame people or trying to throw the police off with leaving evidence at a scene that points another direction in this instance, Clinton's address book was left with Donna school books. So he became a suspect Amelie, I think they arrested in the same day. She was so it seemed to fit that pattern of leaving behind red herrings for the police to follow. Now. I've you know, they just released the results of very partial DNA test. So yeah. So what has just happened? Just a month ago is that Tillery county district attorney's office had their conviction review unit review, this conviction of Oscar Clifton, and in very detailed account said no de ngelo is definitely not responsible for the death of Donna Jo Richmond. And we one hundred percent belief that also Clifton is and that it was a a correct conviction given the evidence and given what you know. The jury has decided in less new information comes out, I think we have to go because they're right. I mean, that's where it points as of now, I think that the the concern that people have on the opposite side of that argument is that part of the argument that the DA's office is making is this DNA and the truth is that there's not much there. We don't know you know, what the procedures were in the seventies. When this all happened if it really reliable it's not like there's enough if with the evidence that there. Is you could never even take that DNA evidence to court today charts with? Yeah. So the Angelo doesn't match that tiny piece of DNA and Oscar Clifton does. So that's where we are with that. I mean, there's really nothing else. You can say all never know right now. It doesn't say that Oskar Clifton was definitely guilty because I understand that a large percentage of the white male population in the United States would also match those few markers. But it doesn't exclude him. And it does exclude the Angelo. I think you, and I were both kinda surprised when we saw that maybe me more than you. 'cause I was always wondering if Dangelo was responsible for that. And it kind of you know, you go over a lot of the information, and he talked to different people. And I kind of had set this has to be the ransack I should say this has to be the work of the ransack her. But now, I think the evidence is pointed that doesn't have to be the ransack or. I'm not saying it's definitively Oscar Clifton, but it's not the Angelo. I think is as a way to wrap it up for me. I think we're at a stalemate, and I don't I don't know if with everything that's currently out there. We can say one way or the other either on Donna Jo Richmond. And frankly on Jennifer are more case just there's nothing we were told there's really nothing to test. Her body was found in the canal. So it washed away a lot of the evidence. And has we pointed out in the weather. So that we did on the case the police there feel that it was the teen beer party gone wrong. That now at you. And I always thought it looked a little more sophisticated than that. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know. I, you know, we don't have access to all the sauce has it is an open case. You know, there's freedom of information act only gets you so far. So we don't have that. If I had to bet I don't know if Mr. DeAngelis responsible for either of those simply, and I'm basing this purely. On you know, with him being charged within the ransack or and east area. Rapist Andy original night. Stalker. Crimes e you really do see that esscalation and to throw are more enrichment in it completely throws that off. I'm not saying it's not possible, right? Possible. Yeah. Just goes to show you that. There's a lot of. Crazy men. Murderers, running around in the seventy it was not a good time a small town like this. So now, we're talking about two killers the ransacked her and Oscar Clifton who was convicted of killing Donna Richmond. And it now we're talking about a third person who really is a party on wrong. We're right. But even if it's a party going wrong somebody in that killed her scenario three murders in a tiny town in the in by studying the seventies has we've spoken about in the past. He had multitude serial killers, working the California highways and freeways at that time. It just seems like an, of course, Ted Bundy was right? Above us in in Washington, Oregon, Colorado, murdering people I it just seemed like for whatever reason man, there was just an explosion of people being murdered, especially hitchhikers and raped and murdered. There's a lot of rapist going on in Sacramento. Even at the time of. East area radius the early bird rapist was another one. Yeah. People don't realize that the area was wasn't the only rape attacking Sacramento that time, which is kinda crazy. Right. Well, that's the thing. You know when you look at the seventies. It really makes you pre she ate how far law enforcement has come today because you couldn't get away with that day. Really? Yeah. I mean with all the surveillance cameras, and we've talked about this in the technology that people have it's much harder to get away with a series of crimes like that. You know, I it's always hard to maybe stop the first crime. But it's much easier to Denver that person after that first crime. So you stop them from having this ten year long, you know, killing spree, and I think that law enforcement in general, not just in the state, but in the United States are catching these guys much sooner in the Sears recognizing them for what they are which helps them zero suspect. So I know obviously with knowledge they've learned to react to these things much better. And the technology helps. Along in that. So it's a has we've talked about. I mean, they're solving cases left and right now with the jed match DNA genealogy end denting murder victims of the cell yesterday. Dente fide a mother and a child that they had no idea who they were and suze dented them. They know who killed them, you know, and he's in prison, by the way. So they knew where he was at least out there feeling. Repealing. Well, thank you so much. I can't believe the kind of rabbit holes. We went down just on devise alia theory alone and over the last couple of years and bringing it full circle and kind of coming to this has been really cool. I'm just glad that vice Ilya was included in the list of crimes that they're gonna charge. Angela with there were a lot of people victimized down there. Pat, Manos never forgotten about this. So it's great that people who are going to have some sort of Justice delivered after all these years. Not the Lisa which is best Nellie who lost her father that night and the stealing family. I'm sure it's it's been hard on them. You know, Claude sailings wife. I mean, his widow's must have been horrible for her. And she passed before they arrested a suspect. So unfortunately, never got to see that. But I hope bath is sleeping better at night. Now knowing that somebody's in jail for the murder for father. And you know, we can also better awesome. Thank. You. Thank you. Todd. Not at a suspect has been identified and arrested in case of the Golden State killer. It moves to the next phase the trial, Sacramento county district attorney and Maria Schubert, who's spearheading the prosecution of this incredibly complicated and enormous case joins us next week to speak to next steps in this process and will welcome Sacramento. Bee reporter Sam Stanton who's been covering the Golden State killer case in recently published a bombshell story about suspect Joseph James, Di Angelo, this is not his first time behind bars you'll hear what Sam discovered and what he's hearing about the upcoming trial. So listen and subscribe to the unmasking killer podcast at apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts and for more on the Golden State killer case, the complete unmasking killer documentary series is available on the man at CNN go. I'm Biagio Messina joke. Thanks for listening.
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Traders came back to the markets today faced with well pretty much what they left behind at the start of the holidays ongoing trade disputes, a partial government shutdown concerns over interest rates plus new data that add to concerns. Global growth is slowing down. Susan Schmidt is head of US equities at Aviva investors. Good morning. Good morning. We had some new numbers out today, especially on global manufacturing. What those tell us. The China's manufacturing data was a little bit softer than people expected. It wasn't so much softer that I think it's a cause for concern. But the market does seem to be reacting negatively to it and concerned it brings back to light the issue of global trade. And where are we with our trade tariffs and situation with China in our negotiations? Should this be sign of global trade slowing and trade in China slowing down the problem? So. It does cause some concern. I think people are going to be focused on that. And you know, in terms of this these batches of data that we're seeing that may be a little bit down. We're probably going to see a lot of that. Because the global economy is slowing down. How can we put these numbers into context? If you're the average person it's important to remember that over cycle things. Go up things go down things can't keep going at a very strong rate. There are ebbs and flows to the economy. So if we're seeing one of those ads and things do start to slow down that's natural progression of the economy. We wanna make sure that healthy along the way I think that the market because it has so much uncertainty in so many different things that are of concern right now, the market is reacting aggressively to all of these remember to look to the long-term. It's the overall trends that matter not just one particular data point, Susan Schmidt is head of US equities at Aviva investors. Thank you. Thank you. The partial government shutdown has many federal workers concern. Learned about their next paycheck. Just as the feds were wrapping up the annual combined federal campaign of charitable giving. Which ends on the eleventh the office of personnel management calls. It's the world's largest excuse me, the world's largest workplace charity campaign, and it usually raises millions of dollars from federal workers for approved charities charities around the country are in the process of running the numbers to see how much money they brought in from their scramble for year in donations. Many Americans had less of an incentive to give under the new tax law, which doubled the standard deduction that means folks had to make even bigger donations to qualify for tax write offs. Marketplace's were not a sago has more on. How charities are looking to offset those potential losses. Macro vilo his wife have a tradition on the last day of every year. They donate to causes. They care about like habitat for humanity. But this past December thirty first they held back because we're not going to be able to. Itemize this coming year. That's because they're deductions, including those charities would have been less than the new standard deduction, meaning no tax benefit forgiving, the super rich, though, they take more deductions Stacy Palmer with the chronicle of philanthropy says that's why charities are increasingly targeting them say perhaps you could give more smaller charities don't typically attract as many wealthy donors. Rick. And with a national council of nonprofit says charities are encouraging average folks to give year round and changing their messaging more on the mission of the organization that on the tax benefit that the donor would receive charities brought in a record four hundred ten billion dollars in twenty seventeen. 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I didn't realize how stable my life had been and I just assumed everybody that so it's been a real learning experience for us the tingles don't receive a check for lending a helping hand though, some host programs and other parts of the country. Do offer some kind of compensation beyond this effort. And other local groups are working to help prevent eviction altogether eviction really is hugely disruptive to families. That's Chris lit with housing opportunities made equal she's asked the city for close to half a million dollars to pilot voluntary eviction diversion effort. It would provide families that have received vixen notices with about a month's worth of rent. According to Princeton's research in two thousand fourteen Richmond residents were victims because they owed an average of nine hundred ninety dollars in back rent. 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2020-09-18- KSR - Hour 2
"Tena Tall, not the same thing out at the Fisher House. The Fisher House I know is a huge part of the country for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them. So they can concentrate on their therapies just having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there for Anson, that someone would be there to take care of us. Took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse Dot Org? Welcome to the second hour of Kentucky Sports Radio on Talk Radio. tenny. Now. Here's match you. Walk back to sports radio. To Five, seven, one, eighty. K Portrayal people could tell me jerry tipped at a crazy. What's what's he talked to? Have seen it. I've seen it took. About how many people at the game so I. Guess we'll see. K Sports Radio. Text machine seven, seven, two, Simpson four, five, two, five, four again. Thanks to our good friend at the TJ. Excuse me. I'm getting a little I got a little clip, the TJ hearst. Insurance Agency when you combine state farm home and Auto Insurance, you can save an average of eight hundred, ninety, nine dollars a year call six, zero, six, two, hundred, five, thousand, one, TJ hearst agent dot com. Appreciate him helping be here at full today. All right. So it's cross brute bluegrass tour we are headed from the Department of Highway Safety to Madison. County. Yes you mail Ma is. Of course is Madison County named after Ryan James Madison. President of the United States in the last fifty years, the population of Madison County has tripled the second highest rate of any county in the is it really used to be thirty, two, thousand. Now they have ninety, six, thousand people in fifty years. It's a booming metropolis what's not metropolis but its booming it is booming Richmond Richmond used to be like. A tiny town and it's kind of becoming like something. You talk about even Berea has grown a lot several years. Well, you just mentioned the two biggest towns Richmond and Berea. Yeah. Here's my question for you Richmond or Berea, which do you like better? Well, Berea has E. KU which emerged. Brea. Richmond has you would force my wife graduate of. Richmond has BEREA. Yes it does. Someone go I'm GonNa go Richmond just because she used to live there went to Ku. What about you? I can't really elaborate too much but a young drew Franklin in college occasionally me and the boys would load up and go to Richmond and I'll just leave that people have done that they know we had. I'll have bad worst Thursday night. That used to be back in the day and everybody here in Pike knows this go into Richmond midsummer on Thursday night used it like when I was growing up the idea of Richmond was like you thought that was the wildest place on earth. I'm not sure wasn't wildest places on earth the dog sutter's Sutter's yes. They all had nicknames to. The rest of back in the day. Tazewell Ashwell. Well, Sutter's we're in a school because I can't tell you what? Stood what they used to call it. Yeah. But everybody are those places still? Do they still exert? They're all out not gone. Are they really? Yeah Richmond just as a city just decide to indulge ethics Oh yeah. Cleaned it up care of it. Now, Madison Garden still they're the best wings in Richmond. Good. But I WANNA go back to? In High School. In College, it was like when people were like, we're going to be wild everyone even people in Lexington pack up and go to ritual. Yeah. It's not much of a secret your boy here like to party a little bit and when my friends would say richmond question mark, it's like I got stuff to do next week I mean this is a five day commitment that recovery from going to rich one night. This is one thing I don't know did the city literally like just pass laws and say, no more bars I I don't know but I remember like playboy ranked e. k. you on the top ten party schools. Year because of what you guys are talking about. I won't call anyone by name, but I would like show an idea at the door and they look at me like what is that like come on in? Okay, cool. All right. I was this one time I didn't go to Richmond a lot, but the first time I went. I was a senior in high school. And we just walked with our is like, where are we? What is the zero? It's almost scary. The first time I ever went it was Bourbon night and a shot of Bourbon was a quarter in could not believe it and I, put down fifty. Like just as many as you can make your order two hundred. Yes I mean I just left him there whoever wanted getting fifty cents or twenty quarter four dollars I shot of Bourbon. Yeah. It really was like just a decorative place, but now it's not gone and I am interested somebody should write me and tell me what changed. How did that happen because it was through druce tack it really was right after you were done with college that it sort faded away. Well, remember our own football team got in trouble going. That was at the dorm. Might have originated other areas but yeah, that's about the time I think at least for Mattel it started. Down a little bit anyway. Now, Bere- I pick berea because. Well Boon tavern. Spoon bread, not good. SPOON BREAD IS I've been to the Spoon Bread Festival and love it which they have. Have you all EAT SPOON BRAD Spoon bread is so good. It's just bread that you can like put on a spoon. And it's kind of gooey shaven have you ever had spoon bird I, don't know that I have. Yeah and Boone Tavern. See I WANNA be serious events. Sit Crazy stuff I think berea college. Is One of the most special places in Kentucky it is a college for. Poor kids for the most part not everyone but most part who can't afford college and they come in and most of them are from eastern Kentucky although they'll get people from Louisville and some other places and they come and the kids agree in exchange for free tuition to work at the school and to work in the town right? Like how awesome is there and it's a really good school. academically, a really good school and they have they have basically served. Kentucky for a century and even more interesting to me Berea. Integrated in the twenties and thirties when it was illegal to integrate and Kentucky. It and they took Kentucky to the supreme. Court. To say we, we should be allowed to integrate and it was a supreme court case and they won they won they won yeah. Good for them. So I mean I just think Berea College that's where my dad went this I just think that's a very special place and then throw in the spoon bread. And what more could you have one more effect and I don't know if it's true. But I've been saying that for at least ten years a new girl in college from Berea and she told me it's the arts and crafts capital. Of Kentucky. I've never seen that said, but I've probably repeated that too. It is Tom. If you walk through downtown Berea, literally they will hand you a butter churn at some point immediately like they make baskets and everyone is just weaving things everywhere like it is. there. Is more handmade goodness around Barilla than anywhere. You can leave a basket on one corner and churn some butter on the next corner walking around downtown. That's exactly right. In Britain and so. Now back to Richmond, for a second Richmond has a KU. It also has a planetarium. Have you ever been to the K. you plan not I've seen it. I know where it is Metallica Song Shannon Plan Tariam it's actually sanitarium same thing. I just I knew it was sanitarium I just wanted to. Bring that but. The teams really neat. Yeah Stars and they it's just when I was I think we went when I was in high school. Cool. Very nice. Yes. They have also halls on the river on love that play beer cheese on the planet. It's awesome. People love halls on the yes like and it's it's not easy to get to know. It's not GonNa want to get there. We used to go every father's Day. That was like my father's Day dinner we would go have you go in there. And you see where the river got into how high it got up on the walls. It's great place to eat. You're looking for like if you're one of these people who's like I like to travel the various places in Kentucky that are kind of neat halls on the river definitely would would recommend put it on your list They also have the house allegedly. That Scooby Doo. Modeled after what? Do you know the big mansion on Scooby Doo yeah. It was apparently modeled after house enrichment and this summer they tore the house down. I've never heard this scooby Doo House that. Historical monument because it was like dilapidated well was there were there was that and another mansion enrichment that were to historical monuments but basically, the owners just let them kind of dilapidated in the city had to tear what's the connection with the Scooby? Doo Cartoon is. They wanted to have creepy Scooby Doo House and they needed. You know you gotta be gotTa base it off something. So why not base it off this retrace somewhere I'll be danged and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids. Yes they would have. A lot of people told me the raven run Nature. Sanctuary. That I've never been, I've never been there I know I think Gavin and Michael Win on field trips as a kid. But I've never been have you ever been there I've not. I don't know but people say it's wonderful. It's like. It's like seven hundred. Of of nature, I like I said, I'm never been there but supposed to be cool place ago. people from mayor. Caches clay not. Mohammed Ali Creek but the abolitionist cashes clay who was famous for his father died and he inherited all of these slaves and he became the first person in Kentucky to the day he inherited the slaves he set them all free and he's from Richmond. He's from Richmond he's from rich, but it know that yes, I think he's his dad lived in Tennessee. And so he brought them to Kentucky and let and set them all free became a force for abolition worked for Lincoln in the Lincoln Administration. Yeah. was embassador to Russia under Lincoln Interesting Mohammed Ali Cassius Clay. His parents named him for that cash for that guy yes from guy. Kit Carson. There was the description of kit car. So when you go to Madison County and it famous people, the first person that comes up is Kit Carson. Here's the description of kit cars. Indian fighter daredevil horsemen, and slayer of Grizzly bears. Believe it. Sounds like somebody you don't want to mess with like personally not slayer of Grizzly bears Kit Carson I. Think of the guy that was always at the traveling show that he has a trick shot artist could shoot stuff. Crazy stuff what traveling show that's what I think that we keep person you sound like my grandma you went to we went to the traveling show traveling show go town to town like a circus and Kit Carson would come out all these trick shots shooting stove. Who's Kit Carson that's why I lived in the eighteen hundred s when thinking he was a trick shot artist guy would go around telling me there was a traveling show where a man just came around and shot I think that's what I think when I think of. coast. Where was this? Obviously, I wasn't born yet. So I'm just that's what I'm Resou-. You're talking about great you're. Traveling show that you did not see. Hundred thread about the Kit Carson would shoot like stuff. You know behind these back when blindfold on between his legs stuff like that did you hear about this show? I think I read it in that book once not one time. Okay. Leeann Hester is for Madison. County. She was the first woman ever in the military cited for valor for hand to hand combat really close up combat in Iraq. She ended up fighting off like seven people saving some of our folks with her, and she's the first woman to ever win an award for. Valor with hand to hand close up con- mess with her he'll get you the bad ass. That's exactly right and she's for Madison County and then some more recent people. Bell Hooks is a famous author who teaches at Berea Silas House the author who will not talk to me but will drink bourbon over do we do puzzles with Ryan and then Tony Snow was a was a political commentator who George Bush be his press secretary, and then he died of cancer while he was the press secretary during George, w? Bush. So he also from Madison County. So there you go an Jimmy lead the lead singer of exile. Exile. Around that area yeah. That's why I just did it. Jimmy stokely delete cigarette exile. Cool. So there you go any athletes we'll start with berea believe it or not brilliant has to NFL players, Luke Stocker knocker and Damian Harris both medicines other high school both from Berea Richmond another NFL player Larry Warford went to Qatar eights sitting out this year for Kobe but he's with the saints Pro Bowler and then to Kentucky Basketball Player they'll tell you about Marquis Estelle heard on a massive central, and then of course, Dominique Hawkins played at mass very recent peop-. Yeah. Do you have anybody going back at all? No. Here's what happened. You WanNa know what happened Daryl I'm going to bet you money. He forgot he was supposed to do this and on the drive here he was like, oh no, it's Madison County Day and he just went. Who Do I remember because he just picked all people that like he knows personally. Yeah. So you don't think there's anybody bigger than those five people I would really thinking on the way here trying to think of some other. Research he was thinking on the way here yeah and I I, I don't think Richmond's produced other professional against those five bigger than those guys. So in the last ten years, they happened to produce the best athletes they produced in the last century I'm going with that final answer. Fair enough. One Eighty. Text proceed seven, seventy, seven, four, five, zero, two, four, five, two, five, four people riding me with their. With their Richmond moments when routes writes his coach McNamee was an k. you star he knows about Richmond well. Wait a minute see that's why I'm afraid saying about him. We share that bond of everything stays in Richmond we'll be right back. To talking about Jones and the crew called the Clark's pump and shop online at five, zero, two, five, seven, one, ten, eighty, or one, eight, seven, seven, nine, four, eighty, or so does the Kentucky brandit or Tweet of the day by Twenty Matt Ky.. Sports radio. You're listening to Kentucky's. On Talk Radio ten eighty. To. Make. Maybe more chanting. Let's make. Another job. Richmond. Are the other band members. Just just. thinking the other guys from. ME. From around. Not from. But. Jimmy stokely is. Telling me Raven run is in, is in Fayette Camp I thought it was I mean it may be on the line Fayette County county line. Well. If so wasn't I shouldn't have put that. Madison. Yeah. It seems like it would be a big place it could be in both. Closed down all the bars around twenty fourteen, they went and all of them that were serving underage students were closed and that was basically all of them. I know they came in and closed them all down and wipe them out like all in one big swoop. And thus into going to Richmond being thing Thursday night at Richmond was gone you don't have any people that I went to high school with would go to eastern and a master later home. I mean that was like a thing. Yeah because they'll just raise these. Two of course, the amount of people who put in there for months at East Yup. And then came back home. It's just that's just what happened. Yeah. So I guess that's not true anymore not true anymore it's one more thing about Easter I'm impressed the acts they get to that Richmond thing I mean they had Seinfeld was that's true. Yeah. They had Willie Nelson Dolly was just. But William play anywhere Po willies PIPO Belfer game tonight I mean we'll willie comes to everything but but Dolly? Yes. They. Get quite the axe enrich they do. Yeah. Think they've had some really big ones. The last couple years they've got some good golf courses to. Say. I have a club in the pond on sixteen. It's par three. Through it from the tee box to the water it fell short, which made me even angrier. So I ran down the hill and picking it up again and threw it into the water twice it water you remember my story about the Gibson Beg off course don't you? In, in high school. We played in a tournament. At, Gibson Bay against all the best teams in the state and it was like a preview for the state tournament and we one probably the biggest victory we add. And between the end of the tournament and the award ceremony, one of my teammates went and stole a golf club from the pro shop. And they found out and they kicked out of the tournament. Really. No kidding. So you went to the bar. I would argue that shouldn't have been disqualification. He maybe should have been arrested, but we should have still won the tournament. A separate came out not the whole won't say which of the players because this person is a prominent job now, I won't say who did it but it was not a good act i. feel like you'll have an argument there that had nothing to do with the competition I. Agree Yes. It may be a crime, but it is not a part of the field of play who's next Jonathan. Jon Weiner. Madison County caller I would assume we can get one but Jonathan. Go ahead. I'm not from Madison County. That's okay. Go ahead. Well I, I just want to thank you all for doing the blue light across bluegrass towards been really cool to listen to learn about the state that I love. So I appreciate that. And Glad you enjoy. Best. Two hours of the work day. Anyway I was at the ball last night and I was talking there watching heat celtics. And of course, talking about next year's team and all that. And there was a guy there. He said his sister goes the. And she heard or saw on social media. That Emmanuel quickly and Ashington. Hagans comeback is there any truth to that I thought? I I. Don't think that's true I mean I wish it was true but. They. Are I think they are they are gone and will not be back. But I appreciate you coming to the restaurant. Had a great night last night by the way. But the Bengals Watch party drew we had people there. We have to kick them out at the BENGALS BROWNS was such A. Gripping event that people didn't want to leave. It ended up being a good game. A row jumped out and bengals made a run Joe Joe Borough throw like. Five passing. Sixty one passes when he ended up, that was a really good game to watch. The bengals fans should have hope. There are good times to come for bengals. Fan. If they don't get that poor guy killed this season they have to find some help because he drops back in their online. Porous Andy Former. Buckeye book had a great kicking game after he choked the last Sunday that's right. Who's next John Short. Short. You're. Yeah. Why am I here? Okay. Thanks. I'm good. Okay. Sam I'm ready for football season began in which we Begin on the river twenty, five wins maybe. Kentucky whenever they got I I assume it's the same day though I bet it's November twenty fifth. Okay now we play. Rest any hand reasonably before the other people had else. What Song Are you talking about? What else played icon Charles Kentucky Man of concerts all you know there was originally put out by by him. Yes. Yeah. So But. and. I can't think you saw that basic county said, Ruben Janet, can you run his head out this one? Song and think of. All right. Well, I appreciate your call John and hope you have a good weekend last week before it Kentucky Game. So be happy. All right there by the way next week the boots cross bluegrass tour macguffin county, Marion County, Marshall, county and Martin. County some Golfing County often canis Tuesday. We'll Monday. On Tuesday, we'll do a little golf in Canada Cadillac I'm GonNa need a little help on my athletes macguffin county I'm telling you right now why I don't know of any, they'll top of my head one well, I mean Little Research Yeah I don't know of any I. I actually missed the turn it ended up driving through. Kennedy. To get here. Did you I drove all the way I missed I Listen to music and do my thing and miss them out. Barklay ended up driving the. Become down that way. So what are you going to his little longer trip than it normally is? We'll be right back. Shane Tall is not the same thing I stay out of the Fisher House Fisher House I know is a huge part of Lange recovery for somebody like my husband for them to know that their family members are being taken care of that's a huge burden off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just having night assurance that no matter what is long as we were there for Anson that someone will be there to take care of us. Took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse Dot Org? Thanks for listening to Kentucky. Sports Radio on Talk Radio ten eighty. Surprised America by putting out new album today. All fiddle music. Only one of the songs on the album has words. Restrooms just fiddle playing him in my. Buddy. Jesse. Here's part of the song. Let's do. The past. Fashion. Who Causes Air. Blocking. A. Bean saw. Enjoy An. Evening. Shelvin. Screens in. Would you? Heard. Pannu. Dream. Born Day. They. Way. World. Call me. Mr Me. Never once made me scared. Been You Imagine US constantly. Kicking. And Food. How. Many boys? Alice. Shoot full hose. and. He'll come in town in start. Looking rance's on. Tyler. This he put out this album he put out. Video saying he wanted to do an album about what was going on in the world with all the black lives matter stuff and this song is called long violent history and never heard until this morning I think it's really really good. I encourage people to listen to hoping first of all I just love his voice could listen to him seeing anything, but he'll take a lot of criticism for this song and and not the album is a hoax most of its fiddle music but I was proud of him I think it's very good. and. surprised. Everybody nobody knew it was coming I. Knew I didn't know it was coming I. Don't think he didn't tell anybody. Yeah. Just not even as fans is to release it. Everybody wakes up this morning. Wow potatoes got a new album. Yeah. But what he did was basically say something to the effect of if all that was happening across the country. With African Americans was happening to us in eastern. Kentucky. How would we react that was that's the premise of the song and I just think it's an interesting thought process that I hadn't thought about and he and. He he talks a lot about Hickman Kentucky and all the money. He makes this album he's giving to a Hickman Appalachian Relief Fund. Yes says he's taking no profits from this. Well, that's great. So I got I got very excited this morning because you know I still of companies lot with this show but this is still a new area to meet me in from Western Kentucky and I get excited come into the drive because such a beautiful area. So I, get my car this morning at seven and always turn on Tyler shoulders with the mountain I for the mountains and I still had a new album in to see the new one came out the morning I'm about to make that drive I like making very pumped. Listen this tyler country fiddle songs I just played the whole way here they're great. His first fiddle song is send in the clowns. What you wouldn't think he'd play that fiddle, but he did. So we're here at Pike Belfry I want to say again because you may we got cut off a little bit to be. This is the most beautiful setting for high school football I mean just look at this. Like up against his mouth. Yeah. So for those that want to watch the game tonight, normally it would cost you some money but we here at case are for you. If you're in the rest of the state and you're thinking, you know what I'd like to do tonight I'd like to sit and watch high school football game of two teams in the mountains that don't like each other. That are both good they're going just the rivalry passion mountain football I'd like to watch would that be something you would WanNa do right? Absolutely and I. Think most people would love to watch this game tonight defending champs to the defending champs. So here's the Website Mountain Dash Top sports dot com. That right Yup, Mountain Dash Top sports, dot com, and if you use the Promo Code K SR fifty. It'll cost you seven bucks. It's normally fifteen. But if you use the Promo Code, K are fifty, you'll get it for half price tonight. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. KS are fifty seven dollars so Even, if I ended up not staying, I haven't decided yet. I'm going to watch because this is like. You don't get this kind of football and the culture, and for those of you in Lexington Louisville in the western part of the state like drew was this is your best chance to see sure rivalry. It's it's hard to Copenhagen. Grizzly Beechwood. Beechwood someone's either. Go ahead, what were you saying? There's We've tried to explain it and you can do that mountain pride and these these two schools learning same county and their bullock. This is Middlesboro Bell County. Just in a different way it's the city school versus the the county school. We're all basically the same, but we just create a barrier and be like well, their their country and their city even though. Rest of world. We all just are exactly the same, so you get pike bull. Belfry and you get tradition twelve state titles between them. The mazing. So again, success they've had here, it's Mountain Dash Top sports dot com case are fifty and you get it for half off for seven bucks. That's awesome and this facility we've talked about it is incredible that pike full has for their football program. There's there's no other single as school and has a facility like this anyone indoor practice facility Locker Room Training Facility Lounge for their boosters. Can I give you one more thing to watch tonight at especially the coach back there belfry running back predating good some watch. Dixon just. He's good name to watch Dixon Vixen picks got McNamee The QBE can. Going to be a name, we're GONNA know for a long time. What's what's the? What's the unofficial spread? Step outside and ask somebody and there'll be one suggest nobody knows you can shake your head coach. I know one of these dudes walk around here has spread. Pike. By one hour it was it was belfry minus five and a half is that what you're hearing? No. Give me the panthers. Up Next Kyle. Kyle how you cal. Hey what's up Matt so when you're talking about the attack I think like I just can't imagine Ryan has anything he's hiding with how like shameless is if I had to put kind of you all on a WHO could be blackmailed most list it probably like drew and Shannon One, a. b. you matt and then Ryan. So it's like perplexing me what he really has going on in the background there. Yeah. I mean I don't the thing about all four of us is because we live such sort of open lives. There's not a whole lot of. What are you going to do? But Right? But Ryan's different though something there is something going on. With Tackett host limit. There's there's a night out Vegas. We do like one of those investigation podcasts where we saw the has the usual go around asking people like why is That's why Shannon Ryan was so wild that night at senior frogs in Vegas was because he had been there with Tackett and host in the maybe so he was a little too comfortable that night with everybody you that going around with people on the head with balloons somebody remind me another Richmond Bar name T. Bomb t bombs was definitely one of them with Sutter's and atomic dog Orion was another one dog a dog, the dog even the way people would say it made it gross. WHO's next. Dawson. By, way. We don't. We don't have a Madison County. Do we should Dawson I believe? It's bad. It's a cat. How're you Dawson? Going on yeah. You finally got your math and counting caller. He just turned twenty one he never little. Duty. Twenty one. Your boarded Richmond too young Dawson, but go ahead. Of heard the stories still gets a little while down here at Ecu sometimes. But I'm sure it was much better back in the eighties and Y'all. Acting about one, thousand, nine, hundred eighties Dawson you watch it, but go ahead. Well. I guess a random Richmond fact we actually have four. Boonsboro I believe in seventeen seventy eight, it was attacked by Cherokee Indians and successfully defended, and that's what they call the great siege. So that's kind of like a interesting revolutionary war facts but have you ever been to Fort Boonsboro. State Park down there yes. It's right on the river. I've heard it's Nice a little water park little area in the pool down there. One more facts It was kind of correction and the fourth fact Damian Harris actually from Richmond. But he didn't play at mass central because there is a disagreement with the old coach but he would have been starting running back Madison Central and his backup would have been dominated caulk, and so that would have been a cool tandem if I have. Yeah Yeah. There was that period of time where you have. Dominic was a little older. Damian but you had back to back just superstars. They're. In their a famous football photo that's five. Still. Wind up going to be the quarterback at Auburn. Nfl they were all in the same youth football team right docile. Each reminds me. Anything else that he wasn't reminded me about you but anything else. I guess I just gotTa say shut out for Ryan for the Free Shaw KS. Bar The other night had fun more to come. Or. Did he just turn? Yes twenty-one there. Thank. You very much appreciate. The twenty first birthday party came down to the Bar Oh that's where they free or did you buy because we're trying to run a business? Here's Ralph Hacker is from is Madison can-canada Remember Ralph Hacker. Again. It's right Ralph. Thank you very much. Fake Ralph Hacker I enjoy quite a bit by the way you know coach. Roy Kidd. Of course, he's from Corbin how do we forget Roy Keane from Corbin but he coached a course at Ku forever and when you go to Roy Kidd Stadium You have to turn on Roy Kidd drive and the coaches sit in the Roy coaching everything is named for Roy kid over there. Yes. Simpson, not from Richmond right He's played from Hayes from Harrisburg Dan Patrick went to eastern he went to Eastern. Yeah. So a lot of guys went to eastern that Mary are not from Eastern. Let's go to Don Franklin Franklin Dot com they need to buy vehicles and they want to buy yours ride lemon. They see that one out there like I'll give you a thousand extra dollars for all that sounds good to me. Makes it worth five hundred dollars, Franklin. Come is your way you could sell your vehicle, you could buy your vehicle. It's the Franklin fast past Franklin fast cash. 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They can't be from Kentucky Cami If you're a Kentucky and I think you're just it's ingrained in you to like that kind of music and that voice there's something about that voice I think even my even my man Bomani likes pouch. Shannon. You like him. Don't you. Buy His albums, but I'll listen to it. What albums do you buy I bought an album I mean I don't buy any of the streaming music. I don't buy any streaming music either don't you just hit a button and it plays. You don't you don't buy his albums. No. I have a thing that nine, ninety, nine, a month I get every song in the world. I still by. SHAVER deal? Yeah. It does sound. Good to you can go on. Go. On Youtube, if I wanted to say, if you go to spotify or Apple Music Amazon Music for ninety nine a month I get every song that exists why wouldn't you do that? Well, why don't you just go to Youtube and get every song that exists for free because I don't have time to sit and go through Youtube I'm like trying to pay it is just the same thing it's free well, regardless point beam. Like I set last night and coal miner's daughter was on we started watching coal miner's daughter. There's something about Loretta Lynn's voice unlike Tyler Children's voice that just. People in. Kentucky like let's talk about the let's talk about the weekend. Here we got. We Got Football College football we talked about Miami lose big game who got Miami or little. I'm GonNa Pick Louisville I mean it's not going to lose very many games this year and it's at home I pick Louisville. I mean obviously I'm taking Miami because I hate Louisville. But if I turned off my hatred, I still wasn't that impressed by Louisville that first week got some playmakers we'll put up some points that defense and the churches didn't show me much. Let's go Keynes Keynes Keynes Keynes Shannon who you got. pull. For Miami but I think global will probably end up winning. What is the spread? It's close to two. So. We got to there. To. The big NFL games this weekend what's, the big NFL game. Packers. Games you like the Tom. Yeah, what's what's the one people? A Sunday worn is cowboys rams. One of those teams is going to be in the super bowl hunt cowboys running last. In. Play. Falcons. I. Was Wrong about the undefeated Washington football team. You you're. going. On. And now they picked up a debt Jeff but it did they pick up Jeff. Did the. got a little stronger even if they won their first game. They play Arizona this week to one team. See you might end up to. To, look out. Super Bowl. It is kind of an amazing story that they want. Ron Rivera the coach had to taken IV at halftime for his cancer treatments. Did He? Know that yeah. So at half-time he, he didn't even get to address the team. He had to take an IV to get through the second half enjoying Haskins got up and spoke to the team and was like, how can we not give are all when he's at when he's in there and they came out in the second half and ended a seventeen point deficit that's bigger than anything coach can say I mean we see that Lexington John Sloman show up for practice every day. It'll be a great thirty for thirty story when they win, they're not. Even Won't be their leader of are going to be there the reds. Okay your cardinals lost. Its birth, the reds have a half game lead on the cards. The cars have a double-header today. The red start against the White Sox we need to win two three I feel like. We play the white sox then the brewers and the twins my goal is to of three in each of them and I think we're in the playoffs. Then we've talked about they've got the pitching need to score some runs and they're they're competing. So there's fourteen you got the you got the cardinals you got the reds you got the giants and the phillies three of those four in. So we gotta beat all this last night. You know the phillies are up six three on the mets I. thought it was over met score seven runs to come back today did they and I was like, yes. Mets. Have you turned off the braves that you had in years it even there anymore. I mean if the reds are out, I'll cheer for the braves but it's looking like if things stay at it is it could be reds braves in the first round of the play of the braves can only hope. Love of by. This. Face are starting three pitchers in a three game series. We scored twenty eight runs in a game last week nine. Twenty nine. Do you play? When did you start planning? Do you put? Yes I do that's why. This is the braves year Shannon. I was here for the braves when the reds when the reds are. I don't hate I like the I just hate you're GonNa miss it because you suffered like me and Shannon for so long when it's finally here, it's like you just stepped out of the room for a minute. It's fun reds winning it. Oh who's next JOE? Joe Just laws we both mock the cardinals can we agree on that? Sure. Go ahead. Joe. Joe. And you hear me all right Joe who's now? Joe's on there. Right. Show this morning has done a fantastic job, but I like shout coach Mac. He's a class act all the way we moved from Blackston down to full. It was coach next I two years and. my son played for well played a year and a half he got his third concussion employees. The coach Mac Class Act all the way. If you guys don't stay game not you're crazy. This is the Alabama Auburn of high school football. Wow Ala about Auburn of high school football coach Matt can't hear you 'cause he hear the calls but we just had a caller said you're a class act and you coach son and he really likes. So I will pass that message along sir. All right. You guys have a good day. Thank you very much Alabama. Auburn high. School football. How could how could? Probably, not too many rivalries in state bigger than this damn. Boil Cow. And I've been I've been to that one. So what else would it be saying? Yeah at thirty thousand for that game. On. Many more bigger than this one, belfry Pike Pike. So big they don't let the other team sit down. They gotTA stand up. On the opposing side line or getting the dugout across the playground and they make them, watch it on the monkey bars over there. They got two little biddy benches on the opposing team sideline and a trash can that's all they get over there. All. Right. So here we go. Make your predictions Pike Belfry. You can watch it at mountain. What's the Website Again Mountain Dash Top Sports Mountain Dash Top sports dot com use KS are fifty and you get half off. You can watch seven dollars Pike. Bowl Belfry Ryan Lemon give me who's went last week. We all got it. Wrong. So we're Owen one on the year. What do you got? It was one point game last year it was twenty, two, twenty one. So I'm GonNa go twenty, eight, twenty, seven this year, pineapple. Who won last year? Pike's Okay I? got. You know belfries just loaded running back might be Mr football a great season win at all but tonight, give me the panthers twenty, one seventeen they pulled off again back to back seasons. I changed it is it me keeps keep nineteen in a row. What is it? How would that be nineteen row if he wins tonight Look at that got, I don't know anything about either one of these teams but I'm going to go Pike Ville I'm GonNa say fifty one to forty five. There's not going to be much defense he won't. Be, going, to. Be a high scoring game. I I love the folks here at Pike Bull they are wonderful human beings but I'm an objective journalist. I can't just pick a team because they've been nice to US I. Can I have to be object? And? Listen this rivalry, these these teams they're neck and neck. Yes. But feels like this is belfries year. So I'm Ed. Walks apply that your pirate impersonation? Yes. They might not want you. Leech. Twenty, three, twenty, two, the belfry pirates pull off the upset or maybe not whose favor. Okay. All right Darrell Darrell right there. Listen. Thank you folks here by this has been wonderful. You guys have done a great job I don't know where we're going next week, but it won't be nicer than this. No Way. Thank you all very much. We will see you on Monday. Go Canes, Go Rans Spin. Sports. Liberty delake farms in rosters, town states jobs, ribs chicken delivered directly to your doorstep. Liberty Delight Farms Dot Com schedule your delivery today fresh meats, raise rate.
MRN Outloud! - Apr 15, 2019
"This is Marin out loud on M R N dot com, presented by bloom and Mondays at outback steakhouse and also brought to you by Hercules tires ride on our strength. M R N out loud presented by outback steakhouse after the racing at Richmond under the lights for the first time at a short track in twenty nineteen. I'm Woody came joined by Joey Meyer. Don't forget though, folks. Make sure you tune in next week as Marin heads to Talladega. It's all a part of pro core week here on M R N little Joey is excited. You can go to outback steakhouse and get your free free blooming onion because Kevin Hart their top ten a week off for little Joey. But he's back on his game. Yeah. Does a fantastic weekend racing was really good. Again Richmond is one of my four bucket tracks that I tell every race fan if you if you've been to races, and you haven't been there you have to go if you have a chance to go to your first race Richmond's one of those places Richmond, Bristol, darling. Talladega. And Daytona on my four every other track provides great opportunities. But it's a little unique at Richmond Richmond is a short track. Even though it's over a half mile versus the new Dale, jR logic. Well, they call Phoenix short track. Exactly. So it's interesting, but we saw the champion couple years back. Never had one a short track race, Martin direct junior. That's amazing. We ran really well back in the Bush days at D I chance to and could never get home victory. One of the highlights of the weekend was then playing Martin on the wall riding the wall and the eight car back in the Bush days when he got him in Mike Wallace got together. The our luck was always you never wanna complain about luck. Right. But it just seemed that's the way Kyle Larson's dealing with it. Now oil is back then Martin tricks was dealing with it at Richmond and could never put a full race together. It wasn't easy because Boyer and Joel Ghana were in his d'eclat. They both last through haymakers at the end. They were doing everything they could lap. Traffic was playing a part of it. Those really performed an execute a well rounded race for four hundred laps. All right. Let's hear what Martin direct sat about finally finally getting that first short-track win at the Cup level. Well, feels awesome. You know, honestly. To finally get that first win not only on short-track here at Richmond Neta track where we've been so strong the last couple of seasons and led so many laps and had had some real real heartbreaker, some that were really tough, you know, some really tough losses and. They sometimes those things are they're hard to hard to get through. But they make stronger and make you appreciate the good day. So you know today, we didn't have the best car. And you know, it just it worked out the way we needed to thanks to a great team. And picker that just was. We'd beat the crap out of them this week. I'll be honest with you loose wheel at Bristol last week took us out of a chance to maybe to win. And we beat them up pretty good all week long. And you know, they stepped up tonight. And they did a great job. They got us lead and put us in a control of the race. And it was was really the difference. So just honestly, I'm really proud of those guys they have a really really tough job. And he seems we only talk about them when when they screw up. So I'm really happy for them. I'm really proud of them and really proud to get all these guys in the nineteen team and here in victory lane. And our first our first win here JR. So it feels feels incredible. There you go. A couple of things jump out at me there y- pit crew guys are kind of like offensive linemen in football. You never notice until something goes wrong till the holding penalty. Yeah. Until that comes up, and then you're ready to cuss that guy. The other thing is and it's a phrase we hear quite a lot. And I wanted to get your take on it. We hear a lot of guys a lot of crew chiefs, especially say get control of. The race. There's a little more to that than just leading. Right. It's a whole lot easier to be the leader. And keep those guys behind you than it is to be behind the leader and trying to pass him. So a whole lot easier to dictate what the guys behind your doing. That is to try to make the guy in front of you make a mistake. We're talking about some of the world's best drivers here talking about some of the world's crew members here, and when they make a small snafu like it didn't Bristol it costs that teeny mentally where you could not work your way back up through a quick shot out to our guys on the twenty one team. Our pit crew was fantastic. Great. They kept us in the top ten all weekend long. They've made a couple of changes over in the twenty one car, which from changes some logistics on how they get around the car. It was one of the first weekends were as a team as well. Like those guys they executed well, and we stayed around the guys that we raced on the track on pit road as well. And that was really important you weren't picking up two or three spots on the track. And I'm saying this as a nineteen guy. And a twelve twenty one guy you picked up two or three spots on the track. You didn't give them back on pit road and have to pass the same guys again. And that's what Martin directs are clearly says he was able to dictate what the guys behind. It's a whole lot harder to pass that is to be passed. All right. There you go. We got a break here on 'em are in out loud. But a lot more to come on the program. Cole Custer gets one of those giant cardboard checks in the extended series. We'll talk a little bit about that. And an off week coming up. We'll talk about the implications of a reset as we take a week off before heading the Talladega. Whatever you drive wherever you go, Hercules tires. 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Many of the best known trucks on the road through our state of the art Detroit technologies in components and safety systems. We've earned our customers trust as reliable business partner dedicated to improving their bottom line. It's no wonder they continued to depend on Detroit to keep them safe in officiant on the road when you demand it all demand, Detroit. April deep if you're checking us out on a Monday, it is tax day. Make sure you get yours and have you done. It y'all golf with your paperwork. We normally we've only file an extension dealing with some other outside issues. But yet we had to do an extension again this year. Everything's good. Everything's lined up. We everything's in order. Everything's been fitted. We just do normally do an extension to kind of finish it up, and may May June July somewhere around there. But yeah, I'm all good. And the other thing is if your viewing on a Monday it is looming Monday at outback steak out because Kevin Harvick got a top ten finish go by on Monday. Tell them. Hey, Kevin Harvick did it again. I want that free free blooming onion right there. You can make it happen. You can mention our names, you could tell them we sent you. Tell them little Joey set you for that matter, and you just not playing with my little Joey. No, no, just can't play a little only you get to play with your little Joey. All right. Let's talk a little bit about some things that have been pressing lately. Qualifying we saw some changes this week at Richmond. Because only had five minutes to sit on. On pit road and play the Yugo no Ugo game. You know, one of the things we've talked about on the show is the qualifying the layout of qualifying and the expectations versus the reality of qualifying. And this this weekend was one of the first times we went from Penn minute first segment and ten minutes. Second segment and five minutes. We went to five five and five and the adjustment. Also for the teams was giving them a seven minute break. We used to have seven minutes last year, we went to a five minute break this year. And now we're back to seven. So it was a little bit of organizational for TV in for the race team to have enough time to prepare for the next stage because they're not just sitting there in that break. They're trying to get the motor cooled back down. Today can make another run if you've seen him hauling ice bags around up and down pit road and hooking hooking up hoses to the car. They're trying to cool the motor back down and the crew chiefs in the drivers you're talking off air they're inside the race car that some of the drivers even gotten out before in the seven minute breaks. They're talking about how to make our car faster. It's what. We're doing all the time. Whether you're cars were sitting still on pit road or in the garage or on the track is one of the things we're always trying to do is make them faster than everybody else out there. So that's what they're doing. All right. Well, that leads us to your soapbox. You know? Yes. So is interesting conversation one of the large rumors this. We love the popping yet. One of the one of the large rumors this weekend is, unfortunately, we're looking at going after Talladega course, we have single car. Qualifying one of the things that looking forward to is going to stack the single car qualifying. And it got me thinking, you know, last night, I've been in my house a little over twenty years at a quarter to midnight quick story. My phone goes off. It's an alert. We are now in a tornado warning area. So I get up I get dressed, and I get on my computer. And I start tracking the weather weather, really, really bad just west of us. And and it's about five or six minutes away. And I get intimate. How bad the weather is going to be I go worn my wife. Hey, we might it's really bad, and it comes through, and it rains all kinds of. Crazy, and it goes through and I get another warning. We're in a tornado warning the site -ment, the anticipation of that tornado hitting my house was on parallel because I never been in one. We're all jacked up. I was and then at the end when it went through I felt relieved right? I didn't feel disappointed obviously. But it got me thinking that's exactly what happened in California. And in Texas and even at Richmond with this qualifying it got me thinking, how can people not want to be intimidated not getting built up to the excitement level of what good way rather than a scary? When he's with the tornado. Exactly. Right. So what you have is. Now, we're talking about getting rid of it and getting rid of that anticipation. Get rid of the excitement. Yes, we do as race team. Sit at the end of pit road. I get it. But like I mentioned just five minutes earlier if that car is at the racetrack. And it's in the garage or it's on pit road. Or it's on the race track itself going around in circles, one of the things we're always trying to do is get better and go. Faster and beat the guys at were around some of that occurs. When these cars are sitting still on pit road and not moving during qualifying. We're trying to figure out how to go faster than the next guy that anticipation of the clock run o'clock five minute clock, click tick tick tickets ticking away. Yeah, I get ramped up sitting gonna go. When are we gonna go who's going to be the rabbit who's going to go out? I who's going to go out last. If you go out last are you going to make it back around for enough laps to get your time in are you going to even be able to start a lot? Because now if you don't start allow you starting to rear. Yep. So those are the kind of things that excite me that build up and for anybody to sit there and go oh with a under gonna lose out because the cars aren't doing anything. Then they really don't understand that. There's the end dissipations Billy. I love it. We don't get the build up. You're going to go watch the next week him weakened after Easter and we're gonna have single car qualifying. We're going to get the cover. But that was already the case that was all right, but the anticipation of single car. Qualifying is not there. Right. A car. Rolls off pit road. He goes around the track he qualifies. Yay. Good next car. Rolls off pit road. He qualifies that he go faster or slower, and as an assize just say that if we're gonna have single car qualifying at a superspeedway or at a intermediate track for the love of God, we don't need multiple rounds of that. If you're only going to go single cars do one round dozen round. That's that's all we need. We do we end up doing two rounds at a speedway superspeedway race. Yeah. We can't call it restrictor plate racing. It's tempered spacer. Now, you have the top twelve move on to the second round, which is kind of confusing because it's the they literally might just very little change there. But it'll, you know, don't please Daytona. Listen, listen to me, this won't get rid of group. Qualifying now as a individual my work. You mean Daytona the powers that be? Don't get rid of qualifying keep it glove group. Qualifying we can work this out let the teams figure it out. Don't keep making rules and making it less attractive to the and I thought five minute rounds was a good good size. Love. I mentioned it before. If we didn't. If you don't wanna sitting at the end of pit road for group qualifying for eight minutes because we only needed to to get around the track. Don't give us ten minutes, the fix cut it cut. It. Exactly. We're gonna leave our Pitztal wearing go down. There. You got twenty seconds to go. Keep going whatever it takes, please. Let's keep some version somehow some way I'm a huge group qualifying person with the new format the new it adds intrigue as an excitement level. I'm more excited about it now than I ever have been. Yeah, I agree. I I think it's definitely something that can be tweaked and fixed rather than just throw hands up in surrendering go back to the single car qualifying and especially multi rounds of single car qualifying right? A quick break here on out loud. We've got a lot to get to. We'll talk some Finnity. Racing where another guy has picked up one of those giant cardboard checks and a whole lot more as we head into the off week. Get IN America. It's the moment you've been waiting for. That's right outback delivery is here. Enjoy lawyer affect fibers anyway has figure two Senate Katsu, and it's he will die potty flooded. Tomorrow wings, types, fear. It's was thanking different Dighton on its head over to outback dot com. 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Good MR dot com. Click on stations to find all m are ends local radio stations plan a trip and math out MR stations along your route m R N on your local stations. Tune in. I don't know. I mean, I wish I could say that I'm putting it towards something cooler than a townhouse. But I mean, it's it's good. I mean, it's it's I've never won one before. So it's really cool thing that xfinity does I mean. It's one of the coolest things that we do in. This sport is the bail to raise for one hundred grand. I think that's huge for all our teams and the drivers. So I don't know exactly what I'm going to do with it yet. But we'll figure it out. I don't know. I mean, I wish I could say there you go. Cole Custer with an extra hundred thousand dollars as part of the series dash for cash program. Christopher bell wins the first one Cole Custer wins. The second one we still have two more swings at those. I'm kind of torn on these dash for cash events because I love the the extra drama the extra incentive on the table. And I love that only extending is in the race. But I don't think we should completely get rid of. And I've talked about this many times Cup guys being able to compete, but I love that. These races are only expended is. Yeah, there's no confusion about it. I'm a huge Cup guy in the expanding series or the gander out nor truck series. I like when the the higher guys race for obvious reasons, we go back, and so do the driver. Exactly, right. Not the only people that complain are the one. In the stands. And I just think that's the noisy wheel kind of mentality. Everybody else enjoys it. But to see the equal competition with the coal Custer's. And the Christopher bells and the Austin syndrich who came home a second over in the team Eski. He he's coming alive. Then he'll get to run for it at Talladega, right? Yeah. What a great race for that to get that. Big check Attala dig. Yeah. You talk about your earned it you ramping up some energy. But Christopher bell small issue of coal Custer's the race kind of took a if you weren't paying attention. There was a really a lot of weather around Richmond. And few people thought we'd make the second age. So during that second stage when some cautions came out the strategy changed a little bit. We you had to make a decision. Are you going to stay out and only race to the weather or you're gonna stay out and try to raise to the end of the race? And the strategy kind of changed a little bit and allowed Cole Custer to get up front. And then he like we talked earlier was able to dictate the rest of the race and try to going, you know, this is pretty bad. We gotta stop rain. And it's gonna rain. But now his biggest decision is again, we've talked about it. You get the big check in the Bank. You gotta go up to the drive through and. To make some time when somebody walked with one of those who just the tail. Yeah. Oh, did I signed the back the back big big letters? That'd be that would be fantastic. It's a lot of fun to see and a lot more to come from the Finnity there as we get forward. We move forward to Talladega coming up. We talked a little bit about the qualifying situation. They've shortened it to five minutes. We maybe expect some more tweaks as we continue forward. But one of the things that was very interesting to me when we had Brad Keselowski on last week talking about Talladega with the changes that we're going to see their attest after Daytona where they're going to have a bigger spoiler. We moved to the tapered spacer now things might be a little different. And Brad Keselowski told us he wouldn't be surprised to see tandem racing comeback. I was that blew me away. And it's really because we have so many different rule changes. We've gotten we've gotten rid of some of the rules that they added to eliminate tandem racing with bumper heights. And how big the spoilers were in the cooling of the cars. A lot of that has gone away with this. Configuration of race cars because now we get rid of the taper restrictor plates and putting tapered space Jerome. We've got a big honking. Spoiler on the back. The bumpers are a little bit higher because we were dragging the ground so much before. So we've actually raised the back of the car up. And what that does that allows the bumper to line backup better with the nose. So the ability for to get in behind with the bigger spoiler and draft up and have alignment on your front bumper to his rear bumper and having a little more cooling really allows these guys the opportunity we believe to be able to tandem or Padres as I've always called it. And I use pod that's one syllable tandem is to go fishing. So and everybody knew if I said there were three pods coming and they knew what it meant. Right. It was a very so that's kinda my mentality. But I look forward to it. I'm going to predict right now that I almost see a rule another small rule change coming and I could see it because we only had four cars at the such as like like, what are you thinking? I could see a smaller tapered spacer. I could see a spoiler change like at some something along the line. Lines to control the speed more or a safter. We've seen the cars on the track a little bit of practice or something similar to adding to like we do in Knicks fancy slash gander mountain truck series. No locking bumpers. Right. Right. And then what that does is. I can't stand that rule because being able to beliefs the rule of locking bumpers is crazy. You can't police a bump, and a lock is kind of worse than calling a block and a charge in basketball and an or travel which has never called either because the car number one is in front car. Number two is behind if a car number two blocks they penalize both cars like I had nothing to do with him. I couldn't hit the eject button in Egypt. The guy off my number or the JAMES BOND oil slick or something like that to the whole police rule is crazy. I don't mind it in the truck series and the expanding series because I think it reduces the wrecks what I would like to see them do is with twenty to go go, you can push all you want. Here we got because what? Happens in essence as we've seen the past pushed all the want. They nobody polices it. We can't. It's too hard to police the entire. So you're doing one thing. Yeah. You'd have to black black flag go entire field. So I could see a procedure change or a physical change of the race cars if the taper spacer because again everything's predicate on keeping these cars a little bit slower. And that's why we made the rule change effort tone of the speech relive bit higher. The horsepower numbers were a little bit higher than the expected in the test. So it'll be interesting. It's not going to surprise me to see we've seen it in the past. We've seen a restrict rule change or a spoiler change or something along those lines. I believe we're going to have a big group on Friday. Whether it's all the Fords get together or the Chevrolet. Toyota's raced together. Like we saw in Daytona in practice. I think we're going to see a little bit of that going on a Friday because he's teams again their notes from previous years are invisible they're pointless. They have no useful purpose because this will be the first time ever. In this configuration at this racetrack with the big spoiler and the big radiator, pans and the big tapered spacer be the first race. We have not run at Daytona. Talladega with the restrictor plate in fifteen twenty years and those and those those spoilers are so big now that the top of them at least has to be clear. So the driver can see through it to see the car behind him. 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That means you can get a free blooming onion by going by and telling them Harvick did it again. Give me the free stuff. All right. We've got an off week coming up Joey as we move toward Talladega and the remainder of the schedule is this a good chance for teams to kind of success and reset and reevaluate and tweak. Some things ready for this next grouping of tracks. You know, we've run nine races this year, and we've covered except for a road course, every kind of track we've seen but realistically the race teams have only seen one mile and a half that they've been able to work on their cars because the first mile and a half we saw we're Vegas. The two miles already built ahead of time. We are already built in the previous portion the early part of two thousand nineteen before we kind of figured out where we were this weekend. Now, we we were able to race Richmond. We have the off weekend for Easter. But then we go. Talladega. Then dover. Okay. You're Dover car. You're going to have built. But now we go to Kansas, and then the two Charlotte racists this really allows. The guy's a setback. Take all the notes from Texas, and what they've learned what didn't work at Vegas because that's how we had our cars built. So now, you have to was your best guess at the time. Now, you've got some more day. Right. So now, you have two different platforms. If you will you had your first part of the year, then you have Texas, and you're definitely making notes and making those changes to how well you did it Texas versus how bad you did it, Texas, and who beat you who who you are able to beat. So the next three races. We have will be very interesting. I think we're going to have a small anomaly for the all star race NASCAR hasn't officially announce that yet we're gonna have a small configuration change liked. It did last year when we had this new configuration. Try something else. Something else they're going to utilize the all star package to try some different aero stuff. Kudos to them. But we do have Kansas. We do have Charlotte. And then the really big track it we're looking for Charlotte weekend. You're going to be off. Right. You're gonna you're gonna just hanging off yet everybody that you're home. Big ass. Just an off weekend might go to the track. That's exciting. Right. But then we have Michigan and then sonoma's so it's an interesting series of tracks within the next four or five weeks till allow these guys to get built up get their inventory going on. And then we actually have to go back out west for a little bit for that sonoma's race. So it does take a lot of time. And this weekend off allows the team to catch their breath from February till now if you're not a team or a driver who races for Joe Gibbs racing or Team Penske, what are you going to do to try and catch these guys they've got a stranglehold now on victory lane eleven straight either from J jar or Team Penske, you know, it's interesting because every single time we show up one of the things you're concerned about is winning a race. That's again, we'd mentioned earlier in the show every time we're at the track in the garage on pit road on the track your trying to beat the guys behind you. So with the Penske group and the Gibbs group dominating last eleven races. You kind of get overshadowed with who's really performing will Kevin. Harvick should have one. Bristol could have one Bristol in very very very bizarre. He's entity stuff at the penalty wheel his cue on pit road. Yeah. He had a very fast race car, Eric. I'm role has been right behind him. Boyer was nipping on the deck lit of Martin true for the last ten laps at Richmond. So those are good problems to have even though you had a right there right there. You know, your cars are capable of winning this race. You just haven't been able to execute a complete race. And that's what Martin Rex did. Unfortunately, Kevin Harvick did not do is execute from start to finish and be able to pull off victory. It's still very difficult to win these races. But the half performance like Stewart hostile racing. I don't think they're concerned all of their cars are performing better. We saw in my opinion, the Hendrick motorsports guys perform a little bit better. Richmond. Yeah. They that's been incrementally through the season. Exactly. Right. But all four their cars were in the from the tenth to the twentieth. They were all in that window. Now, that's a bonus. Because you didn't have cars in the top five and cars in the last twenty. Five you're going baseline. Exactly. Right. So if chase Elliott's able to win a race and the other three are in the top outside the top twenty. You don't know. Whether it was the cars, whether it was the mechanical arrangement of the drivers are doing bad. You don't know what it is? But when off teams can be on top of each other. You kind of have a better direction of where you need to improve on. It's not like you're all over the map and try and pick which one is better. Exactly. Right. You know, we saw in the past races front row motorsports. A for you front row has done a really good job at Michael McDowell. And those guys over there. They had a bad weekend at Richmond couple of guys on Twitter mentioned. Yeah, we built a car as a company, and they all performed, unfortunately, it was poorly. But they were able to go back and go, you know, all three of our cars were the same. All here's where here's where. We're not wrong. Why it's important. So even when things don't work. Well, that's a good thing. If you do it as a company because then you can make improvements off what didn't work is there. Something glaring that jumps out at you. That the Gibbs cars or the Penske car. Cars are doing that. The others are not as it as simple as execution or is there more to it than that. When we go back and look the only guy that that makes mistakes on a continual basis. That's won a race issue. Here is really Denny hand. He's one to two exactly right. No mistakes at Daytona. But when you look at the execution and the level of mistakes cow Bush had a really fast car Richmond. He could have easily won that race except made a mistake. So when we look at the the cars that are on victory lane list. Their mistake levels are lower than all the rest. And that's what you look at. You can't at this point in time. You know, the guys that have one these races. Denny Hamlin brackets Laskey. Joey Logano Kyle Busch Martin tricks junior. They're really good drivers any of those guys can win any weekend. So when you make a mistake whether it's on pit road or whether it's a crew chief strategy car or a driver makes an error on pit road. You take yourself out of that team. And you're forced to try to beat those guys again, it's really really difficult giving away whatever advantage. You may have had you may have right? We heard tricks talk about. Being able to be out front and dictate the race. Well, if you're making up laps or making up spaces that you lost on pit road. You've given that ability up you can't really do that. Because you're fighting all the other to try and overcome that as we move forward now heading into Talladega and the other races that you mentioned with the qualifying changes that we've seen in where we are at this point in the season. Do you anticipate more major changes or we kind of set? Now, man, I hope we don't have anymore rule changes. The teams will go crazy within the minor. The thinking day any kind of anytime we have what's called a rule change the team spend more money. We've already have our inventory. We have our direction. I hope we don't see any rule changes. You know, things are going. Well, I think this new configuration NASCAR has to be extremely happy with what they saw Texas. I think the next variable will be Talladega. And how that works, and we actually open up the carousel at cinema, and that'll be it'll be see where we go a lot of fun to see they're all right, folks. That's going to wrap it up for this edition of ran out loud. Don't forget now next week. No. Race over the Easter weekend. We're going to do a little reset out of Alexander from Fox Sports is gonna join us next week to talk about kind of where we are. And where we're going from this point. Don't forget NASCAR live every Tuesday night at seven eastern from there. You can catch it at Emma dot com. Our truck series the gender outdoor truck series podcast drops again every Tuesday night. Make sure you check those out. That's all coming up this week at Emma? Make sure you're with us. I'm what he's Joey. We'll see you next week.
Daily - Are stage points really that important?
"The final lap with Kerry Murphy is is on. Chase Elliott is on and he describes how stage points play a huge role especially lately in the playoffs since everybody's figured out how to do this I think everybody knows how important in the stages are and what they can mean specialty stage wins. You know get that extra bonus. Point is a huge thing too. So I think everybody knows that and that's certainly a game that's been played. I don't do as much played that very first year that we have this but really ever since that first year. I think has been shown and everybody really gets that and it's just gotten more and more aggressive I feel like as time has gone on to perform well in stages. So I think it makes it. You know important around good throughout the entire race and I. Thought that our stage results at Richmond and then Bristol were good and that was really what what allowed us to get through chase won last year's race at the Charlotte role and takes us back to the tire barrier moment in that race. Everything was really going really well, I've thought to that point had. Had, got up to the Lee and was making laps. Margin to the competitors was certainly going to call his up as the race went on. So both myself and art team we were just kind of pushing all the little small areas that we thought we could to get better. That was where the Mama steak ended up coming. You know it was trying to find an extra little bit for late race restart. If leading ups, all that things are going good and we were just fine tuning in which was, which is really nice.
Maximizing Your Time While in a New Area
"The. Hey there I'm Eric Olsen. And I'm having days. Join us on our journey to building a one hundred million dollars company. Are you enjoying this podcast? We hope so if you are would you mind doing a small favor, would you go into the Alexa app or going to your podcast in platform and leave us a review, it will help us spread the word to other entrepreneurs and business owners about what we're teaching and what we're doing here and get more people involved in the community as a sign of gratitude, we will be sending out business books to randomly selected reviewers. So please if you would the month of may give us a review, thanks whenever you're on travel, tried to pack in as much as you possibly can into your day. Kevin I recently went to Richmond because we wanted to visit with a brand new client. So Richmond is about an hour and a half away from where we live in where we work, and so it was going to be a day trip. We left early in the morning we were coming back late that night, and we were going to meet the new client for lunch. So we're going to be there. About noon. Well, we wanted to maximize what we're going to do that day. And so we set up a coffee meet up with someone that we wanted to start a relationship with someone that is in the social media industry, and we met her for coffee, right? When we got into Richmond at about nine thirty in the morning. Then we had our launch with the client. And then in the afternoon, we met with a perspective client before we came back to the Norfolk area. The whole point of this episode is just to tell you when you go out of town cram in as much as you possibly can. You're only there for a short amount of time. And if you can meet with clients perspective, clients, influencers, anybody, even if you just walk around and walk into a business when you have about an hour of downtime walk in and just start ask them questions, if they need help with whatever it is that you do maximize your time in a new city in a new region and try to get some work out of it. Thank you for listening. I hope you heard something you can implement in your business right away. Finance online at journey to one hundred million dot com.
Police chiefs keep losing their jobs in June
"Good Morning I'm James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily two Oh two for Tuesday June twenty third. Today's news. Public Health officials are leaving their posts in the face of death threats. We probably won't know who won the presidential election on election day. And president trump is increasingly preoccupied with defending his mental capacity. But I. The BIG IDEA! Which today comes from Richmond Virginia. Tear, gas and spray paint are the smells of this season of protest. Without provocation, police officers teargassed peaceful demonstrators earlier this month at the statue of confederate general. Robert e Lee on Monument Avenue. Richmond Police Chief William Smith apologized and said the officers would be disciplined. After the department again used chemical gas against protestors. Mayor Lavar Stony demanded Smith's resignation last week. He said the city is ready for a new approach to public safety. Smith is among at least half a dozen police chiefs to lose their jobs amid the nationwide protests that have followed the killing of George Floyd and the reckoning with systemic racism that endures and law enforcement. Since the start of June, police chiefs have either announced they will step down or been fired in Atlanta Nashville Louisville Portland, Oregon and Prince George's County Maryland. In Richmond were forty eight percent of the population is black. Police are now keeping their distance. As protesters occupied, the traffic circle were the lease statue towers, sixty feet over the grandest residential boulevard, and what was once the capital of the confederacy. A handful of African American civilians, toting assault style rifles patrol the site, which is now surrounded by concrete barriers as a pack of a dozen white protesters roam the surrounding streets with their own long guns. All the guns put everyone on edge yet also feels like a street festival inside the encampment. A few people have pitched tents to sleep the night there. Someone set up a basketball who there's no one in charge, but volunteers are giving out free massages, handing out doughnuts and repairing bicycles. Virginia Governor Ralph Northam has ordered the removal of the lease statue. A local judge granted an injunction last week to prevent that from happening until a court challenge plays out from a descendant of the people who deeded the land of the state when the statue was installed back in one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety. As the two sides bicker over legal standing a dozen cans of Spray Ping with every color in the rainbow and more have been left at the base of the statue, scores of people just passing by picking up the bottles, shaking them and scrawling messages on the granite. The monument is taken on the look of the western side of the Berlin Wall. Before it was torn down city police officers now watch this defacement from across the street and do not intervene. Someone is written near the bottom of the monument. Quote This time. It's different. But is it? Is it different. That is perhaps the most significant question of. The moment. These protests have certainly felt different than they did. After previous high profile deaths at the hands of police, all the statues on Monument Avenue have been defaced to varying degrees. Even one of African American tennis legend Arthur Ashe installed nineteen ninety-six to counterbalance. All the confederate memorials has been vandalized with graffiti that says white lives. Other statues in the city have been torn down. It feels inevitable that Lee and his horse traveller will be gone sooner than later. Most of all. It is especially rare to see so many police chiefs lose their jobs so unceremoniously. But Richmond community organizers. During interviews that personnel changes in monument removals are not enough to fix the underlying problems that have led to the anger in the streets. Chelsea, Higgs wise gave up her job as a clinical social worker to focus fulltime on activism. After a Richmond, police officer fatally shot an unarmed, naked, mentally disturbed man during a confrontation in two thousand eighteen. Black lives matter activists have informally renamed the square with the least statue for that man. Marcus David Peters wise is active with the Richmond transparency and accountability project, which is pushed for more data from the city's police department as well as creating a civilian review board and removing officers from public schools. She told me that replacing one cop for another is not going to meet the demands of the city. And that's true, but there is some evidence that the times are indeed changing. Consider this. The Virginia Governor's legal case for removing the statue was devised by the great great granddaughter. Of Slaves No woman, white or black it ever before served as chief counsel to Virginia Governor Before Rita Davis got the job in two thousand eighteen. Forty eight year old new, the Reverend's attached to leave because she had walked by his to every day as a student at Washington and Lee University. A scholarship enabled her to be the first in her family to attend college there? She then was a patrol officer in conservative Lynchburg and believed in law and order. But as a black woman, she also felt deeply in her bones, the need for change. All those elements are coming together in one unexpected event. The administration is so confident in her legal position that attempted to take down the statue quietly before north publicly announced it, but they could not find a Virginia based crane company willing to take on the controversial job. At one company, the younger generation was willing to do it, but the older owners threatened to disown the kids and the grandkids. If they went ahead. Some legal scholars say the state's case is uncertain. The deed for eighteen ninety stipulates that the statute must be quote affectionately preserved other court. Cases have reached a variety of conclusions on such language. There's no prevailing legal norm that would say. This is a slam dunk, but the issue could wind up mood if the state invokes eminent domain and simply seizes the statue in the public interest. Davis says she's happy to wait for the case to play out in the courts. In some ways, she says it's better for the legal system to reach. What she says is an inevitable conclusion. Then for the statue to simply disappear overnight or be yanked down by protesters. She badly wants to Sacha to come down of course, but she says she wants it to come down because there is a consensus in Virginia. That that's not who we are. Anymore. And that's. The big idea. Here are three other headlines that should be on your radar. Number One. For Laurie Jones the trouble began early last month. The director of a small public health department in Washington State was working with a family under quarantine because of exposure to the coronavirus when she heard that a member of the family had been out and about in the community. decided to check in. The routine phone call launched a nightmare. Someone posted on social media that she had violated their civil liberties and named her by name. Then they posted her home address in wrote quote. Let's start shooting. My colleagues Rachel Weiner and Arianna CIA report people from across the country began calling her personal phone with similar threats. Public health officials. Especially women are already underfunded and understaffed now they're confronting waves of protests at their homes and offices in addition to pressure from politicians who favor a faster reopening, even when it puts lives at risk. The National Association of County and City Health Officials says more than twenty health officials have resigned retired or been fired this month for nothing more than doing their jobs and trying to save lives. This month in California Nicole Quick Orange County's chief health officer stepped down after she faced threats and protests at our home for requiring face coverings in many businesses cases rose. After she left her mandate was softened to eight recommendation. Ohio's Public Health Director Amy ACTON has shifted to an advisory role after enduring months of. Terrible anger over the states, preventive measures including armed protesters outside her home, burying anti-semitic. Messages and sexist slurs. Georgia's public health. Director says she receives threats daily and now has an armed security detail. Pennsylvania's secretary of health who's transgender has come under fire over the state's handling of the pandemic including from a county official who resigned after a recent meeting that he was quote tired of listening to a guy dressed up as a woman. For Public Health officials in Colorado I've left their jobs recently under pressure. These folks are heroes, but this is how they're being treated. It suggests that something is rotten somewhere inside the soul. Of America. Number two. Barring a landslide we likely will not know the result of the presidential race on November third after voters in Pennsylvania Georgia in Nevada went to the polls this month. Some reasons hung in the balance for days as election officials waited through thousands of absentee ballots today, a similar scenario is expected to play out in Kentucky and New York. Were officials have already announced that some results will not be available for as long as a week in. In all five of these states officials have contended with an avalanche of mail in ballots as voter seek to avoid exposure to the coronavirus. Any Gardner reports that November is likely to bring an even more massive wave of voting by mail than what is swept across the country during the primary season that in turn means that a close race between trump and Joe Biden piddle state could take days even weeks to resolve amid that uncertainty. Few expect trump has said repeatedly that he thinks mail in voting could cost him the election to do anything to sue the voter. Anxieties of volley of warring lawsuits by the national parties could add tens environment already lawyer battling in court fights across the country to shape the voting rules that will govern this election. The situation could plunge our country into an electoral crisis, not seen since the acrimonious recount between Al Gore and George W Bush twenty years ago. Number three. An early June meeting in the Cabinet Room at the White House was intended as a general update on trump's reelection campaign, but the president had other topics on his mind, Ashley Parker and Josh Doc- report that trump took a cognitive screening test as part of his twenty, eighteen physical, and now more than two years later, he brought it up. It was a ten minute exam. He waxed on about how he dazzled the proctors with his stellar performance. He walked the room of about two dozen. White House and re election officials through some of the questions. He said he'd aced such as being able to repeat five words in order. At the time be Montreal cognitive assessment, which includes animal pictures and other simple queries, aimed at detecting mild cognitive impairment in the elderly, such as dementia was intended to quell questions about trump's mental fitness. The seeming non-sequitur was part of the president's growing preoccupation in recent weeks over perceptions of his declining mental and physical health at a time when critics have mocked him for episodes, in which they say is appeared frail or confused. The attacks trump is previously leveled against Biden. Dismissing the former vice president is sleepy. Joe Secreted away in his basement and enfeebled have boomeranged back on him as opponents sees on trump's own missteps to raise concerns. Trump is deeply attuned to any portrayal of him as weak. He was furious earlier this month after news leaked that he and his family were rushed to a secure underground bunker as protesters converged on the white, house he's also refused to wear a mask during the pandemic despite his own government's guidelines, because he says privately that anyone who wears a mask looks weak. and. The president is fuming to AIDS days later about the small crowd size of his rally in Tulsa on Saturday night, the campaign had claimed a million people. RSVP but there were only about six thousand people in a nineteen thousand seat arena, according to the local fire marshal, trump blamed his campaign manager. Brad Pascale over the half empty arena now campaign officials are engaged in whisper campaigns against their colleagues and some trump Allah. Dramatic reorganization of the reelection machine, which they like to refer to internally as the death star, trump's reelection team is thinking of how to retool the traditional campaign rally to avoid a repeat of the Tulsa Donnybrook some campaign officials are pushing for future rallies to take place outdoors, possibly returning to the kind of airplane hangar events that trump often held in two thousand sixteen, but trump is complained that airport hangars lack the energy of a raucous indoor rally and he's willing to put his supporters at risk. While par scale is not expected to be fired over the Tulsa rally his influence in Trump's orbit. Is Waning. and. That's the daily two zero. Two for Tuesday, June twenty third. Thanks for listening I'm James Stay Safe. To you tomorrow.
Virginia is Banning ALL GUNS!!! (well... Most of them anyway...)
"The rich to miss podcast on me ball changing ness welcome to the rich dimiss. PODCAST A place dedicated to motivate educate and inspire the listener to live their best life now using the skills that lie within becoming coming a better person evolve in our way of thinking which allows us to change our life family and community. Let's get into today's Today's topics workum to the to them as podcast. I am your host Richard Hawks and right now we are doing a youtube video here and we are going to be talking about. What's going on right here in Virginia Looking at today's paper one of the publications over here in Virginia the Richmond Times dispatch to be exact and they're talking about wrote the current gun ban. That's going on right now and what's GonNa be happening here and some of the things that they're going to be talking about that's GonNa be happening and I'm going to try to highlight some important points for this particular video Because this is something information really needs to be floated around that we all need to be aware of now as we all know now kind of skip around and because most also stuff we already know if you follow the gun commute and if you're into the gun community and you follow what's going on then most of this stuff you already know. So I'm just kinda going. So and and how get to the highlighted points that are really really important here now Let's go right to and I'm quoting from the Richmond Times article on Richmond Times dispatch Article From a Friday January tenth edition You can check them out at Ed Richmond that Com- before this article and Quoting from this article for the sake of Bringing a point and for commentary now so once again I not not endorsing. ooh sorry I'm not endorsing or not endorsing Richmond. Times dispatch or saying anything you know about them just Kinda by using the information For the sake of commentary and because they have it you know kind of a nice little organize format shout out to the to the author of two the author of this particular Article Mel Leonor. You're right I probably budget isn't as name but shout outs a male who wrote this article all right now less Less kind of get into some of the points here now. the northern administration through its weight Thursday behind the eight eight. Yes proposals it will back on gun control. This legislative just laid off session including a ban on assault weapons defined as now listen to this any semi automatic automatic rifle or pistol with a magazine that holds more than ten rounds any semi automatic matic rifle or pistol with a magazine that holds more than ten rounds. This is part of what I call rocking. Chair legislation everything that. I'm telling you that they're trying to do right now. Not One single ounce amounts of this is gonNA prevent the next person who wants to go out here and commit a mass murderer from committing mass murderer. Do you know why well I'll. I'll tell you why and all of us out there and especially the people who listen to this podcast because the people listening to this podcast are intelligent. People and Dan are calm and have common sense which is not common so shout out and thank you to all of my highly intelligent listeners. Who Listen to this podcast? Who has some common common sense and realize that when people make up in their minds that they're gonna be criminal or do criminal activity? They're not going to go and check the laws and say well. I can only get can't get a semi automatic rifle or a personal with a magazine that holes more than ten rounds. So I guess about going to the gun store and let me legally a purchase. A firearm that is with end the legal rights. So I can go out here and commit this crime that I want to commit now. Those of us with common sense that actually works as a few of us out there but to those of us out there to get some common sense. That works understands that a criminal is. I'M NOT GONNA be concerned with what the law is. The criminals going to be concerned with what he can get his hands on. And that's not going to be considering anything in the law saw all this does is any law abiding citizen that owns any semiautomatic rifle or pistol with a magazine. Gene that holds more than ten rounds is now owning an illegal weapon that was legally purchased at perhaps one one of the wonderful gun. Show that they're just about to have now At the recording of this podcast. This podcast is being recorded on January tenth Friday. There's a wonderful group that comes through. That does the Gun shows right out here in hand. Virginia they're coming out here. The Hampton to the Hampton Convention Center On the eleventh and the twelfth So this podcast is actually a man recorded on the the tenth. So they'll be out here on the eleventh twelfth and is really interesting Because the things that you can legally buy after you show your I D and after they do the background check as they all do. There's none of this other crazy stuff. The dates argue about when you go to the gun show to purchase a gun. There's actually someone when there you have to give them your information they run you fill out the form. They run your information through the system and a database because they're connected to the Internet and and if everything. Dan Comes back clear. Because you're law-abiding citizen in Oh you are able to purchase what you're able to purchase at that time and if not you don't there's is just as you know is just like that so this is what I call rocking chair legislation. This is not going to make. This is not GonNa do anything to prevent anybody from being killed now. Now get this part. Here's something else that's very important that that the public in now check this out. Then it goes on to say the North Mbeki bill would go into effect and July but what allow people who already own an assault weapon to obtain obtain a permit from the state for restricted use. Without a permit the guns would have to be disposed of surrendered rendered or made in our Rable Bai Xue by January twenty twenty one. Okay now so so if you already own an assault weapon you have to obtain a permit from the state for restricted use. Yeah that's what I like to call a band aid. That's a band aid band aid there. this abandoned mandate I. I'll say as a mandate now Based on everything that I've been following In the gun community That is pretty pretty much still As as like a universal background check of some is like a list. It's just still list in still lists keeping track of everybody and as if they don't already keep track of everybody anyway They you have to everybody once again to common sense people know In everybody knows that when you go to do any transactions day Catcher Day take your information and they record your information when you actually go to make these purchases. So it's not like they don't already know so going through to do this as it says right here Who already already own an assault weapon to obtain a permit from the state for restricted? Use Okay so you go to the state. I'm sorry I bought the microphone again. I'm reading the paper here. So you obtain so you pretty much pay the state to get another permit and that's pretty much kind of leading them know that okay. Hey I'm one that has one and then it says without a permit the guns would be disposed of surrendered or made an operable by January. Twenty when he's twenty one Interesting okay so if you have one. I guess they'll put out information later on on how people who actually own one would have to go about getting Said permit for restricted use. I guess we'll have more on that And it could be more in that in this article alarm as we go a little bit deeper down but less but let's go on We want the important ones. I want to kind of stop right there. Excellent that's the most kind of One of the important things right now. there we can look at Disciplining goes into effect in July But we're GONNA have a time pretty much pro. Basically it goes into effect July but you have until January So you have about next year of twenty twenty one to get to get all your ducks in a row because we all know that they already have all of the They have all of the votes on the power that need to get this passed so is not about if it will pass us about when it will pass and since we all know that it will pass all we can do right now is get the information out there so that we know so that we can act accordingly early now lessee. Let's go through here and see what other intriguing things that that we have then see now says. The North and bagged assault weapons ban will be sponsored by delicate Margalit Levin Okay Delegate Mark Levin I camry today and Senator Adam even both Democrats from Alexandria it is different from a bill filed by Senate majority leader. Dick sows suss Lar- The delegate from Fairfax that does not include a grandfather provisioned for current owners of weapons deemed assault weapons. Now keep in mind here. I want to draw attention to something. Here they're talking about assault weapons over here but the band doesn't ban assault weapons. The ban comes over here and says is defined as any semi automatic damatic rifle or pistol with a magazine that holds more than ten rounds any semi automatic rifle. Just for all people out there who don't know get on your computer and Google a a A Ruger long rifle. Right is a Ruger twenty two long rifle a ruger twenty two nd law a lot on on one second. I'm sorry Ruak. And that thing the exact bob the exact description of one right the second but a Ruger twenty two long rifle has a magazine that holds about twelve rounds. I believe leave my minds as me correctly. That is now banned a twenty two that you would allow your child how to be that you allow your teenage signed to go out into the woods and hunt squirrels with. Surely this is not an assault weapon now in one breath they are concerned about assault weapons but in another breath. They're banning any semi automatic OUGHTA matic rifle so every rifle that has magazines more than ten rounds is band so now I guess everybody has asked attorney in their twenty two long rifles as well then right or they have to register those for restricted. Use Okay so okay. Do you have to register for restricted. Use Ness that's where it's But it's not a grandfather clause you're just registering for restricted views But this is different than what was previously done Interesting right interesting so So I guess we're supposed to Like I said Common Sense Common Let's see unless skip around here in. Oh yeah here's another interesting part of of Of this as well and this is a really deep deep article Unless I go go to this part or at here this is really interesting. Also the Levin Ebben proposal would make it a class six felony to import celled. Oh by transfer or build an assault weapon within the state less. Swallow that for a moment. A class. 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"All right. So we're all in agreement that the Lieutenant governor should be encouraged to step down Virginia had a bit of year last week. One more quick thing before we get outta here. As you all know earlier this week our governor admitted to wearing black face and college is part of a costume. It suffered embarrassments than later. The attorney general also admitted to wearing black face college as part of a costume after embarrassments. It's extremely embarrassing to the state became the laughing stock of the country, and as chair of the ethics committee. I have to ask has any body else. Glad face in college got its own SNL sketch. But what if the cost you wanna contests? The contents black face, but Christie Coleman says this isn't just a Virginia thing, this is a national problem menstrual C and all of that. It was something that the entire country participated in and we see the really the birth of popular black face as an entertainment form actually getting it started in New York City. She spoke to me from the American civil war museum in Richmond Virginia which she runs for Virginians. It is more painful perhaps simply because it is something that has come to the fore. When Virginia has worked been working so hard to be a tad more progressive in, oh, this is a state that has a very mixed economy. It has urban centers that are extraordinarily diverse. And so this slide backward from a figure or figures that people have presumed were. Part of that March forward is the jarring part. For the uninitiated from what exactly is Virginia moving forward. Virginia is preparing to commemorate three key events that happened in sixteen nineteen. The first of those being the first Representative government. The second of those being the arrival of women and the third, of course is the arrival of Africans in sixteen nineteen. They are brought here against their will. And they are sold to be put to work in the colony by the seventeen hundreds of course, slavery is very much entrenched in Virginia even into the eve of the American revolution Virginia at that point is forty percent people have African descent so the whole questions will idea that almoner created equal endowed by their creator all of that is born in Virginia and yet born in a place where even the man who writes those words isn't enslave her. But there are also been people who have resisted it from the beginning. And that's part of the story that often gets missed. We get into the eighteen hundreds it takes two votes for Virginia to determine whether or not it's actually going to succeed when they do. See the decision is made to move the confederate government to Virginia because she has this legacy of independence revolution. But it is also the second largest intrastate slave trading. Port in Richmond to the point where today about forty percent of African Americans. Could in fact, Trason ancestor that was sold from Virginia to points further south. So this is our this is our history our legacy what did things like for black Virginians during the civil rights era. They are doing the same thing that black people are doing throughout the south. They are boycotting. They are asserting their rights to vote the differences. You're not seeing the same level of violence that you saw in the deep south of Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia that well. Instead, you saw things that were tad more insidious rather than allowing for for example, the schools to be desegregated, we'll just shut down the schools, and then they'll transfer the money into private Christian schools. And that's what happens a lot of private schools that get started in the state are actually started as a form of massive resistance by whites who don't want to integrate their school. So that's part of Virginia's history elementary affective schools, which white colored children make and Pell job in to all seen any funds from the brighter while up, right? The transition. Gan in the seventies. With governor hope I love affair with Richmond public schools began when I was a twelve year old Niger had Linwood. Holton was elected governor of Virginia in nineteen seventy Hyun rules, who's young white daughter and into public schools. My dad my sister off to the high school with the local national international press in tow following their every steps. Meanwhile, my mother took my brother Woody and me to MOS b middle school most middle school now Martin Luther King middle school, formerly all African American school. And I think it showed a certain grace and dignity that he was trying to pull out a Jinyan because Virginia's do pride themselves on that. Even in the midst of ugliness. There is a certain dignity that people share. And I think he was trying to call upon the sense of dignity and decency, and it wasn't always easy. But that one action I think. Really helped turn the tide. And then you move into Virginia lex, the first black governor former Lieutenant governor Douglas wilder took the oath of office in Richmond today and became the first black ever elected governor in the United States, and he was voted into office. Obviously by a lot of white people in Virginia. Right. That's correct today in Richmond, the capital of the old confederacy the grandson of slave it. What's never been done before? Lawrence Douglas wilder this well through solemness way, our support the constitution of the United States that I was the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the Commonwealth agenda. And so my point is Virginia's history in the state house's history is full of these moments of moving more progressively forward to full inclusion, but then these sort of snapback moments. Which I guess brings us back to today. It brings us back to black face the use of black face is cultural violence. It was designed that way from the beginning as an entertainment. So, of course, people's reaction to it was visceral. What is the thing that people who who see black face at sea a controversy like this and go like I mean, I want to be Serena Williams for Halloween. Why is that offensive? What do they not get that people's culture is an accustom in that more often than not these depictions are meant to mock, that's what they don't get. And they don't want to. I should be able to do what I want is. Also, what you hear whether they're wearing black face or whether they're donning a so called native American headdress and putting themselves and any number of these costumes were person throws on some Brera with a funky mustache with a poncho. It's all offensive black face. Just happens to be have had been around the longest and the most pervasive, and that's different right? From like a a ten year old kid who wants to be Black Panther for Halloween. Very different because that that child that wants to be Black Panther for Halloween. I pray to God. His parents are not pudding shoe polish on his face to do it. He doesn't need to do that most people acknowledge if you put on the suit, we know who the heck you're supposed to be. You know? I mean, it's kind of ridiculous, right? It's completely different thing. I saw a picture of a young, man. A boy probably was no more than ten years old giving a black history report and he dressed up like, Malcolm X. Did he Brown skin? Absolutely not he put on a pair of glasses. He put on a suit any put on a bow tie. Bring this back to governor Northam who may have worn KKK whites and definitely blackened his face in the eighties. He's also the guy who ran on getting rid of all the confederate monuments in Virginia. And that's the duality of Virginia. Right. That's the duality. Prognosis is a new podcast comes from the people at Bloomberg. And it looks into the leading edge of medical advances and ask the question who gets or should get access to them you meet the people at the front lines of medical change. There's this crusader in psychedelic drug research. Who's roaming the sands of burning man looking for venture funding. He sounds like a character. There's an entrepreneur who's genetically engineering frogs in his garage with up to get another frogs, and there's an online community of diabetics who've had together in artificial pancreas. I wanna see that thing prognosis is a podcast about the leading edge medicine, and the people who are bouncing on trying not to fall off and die. The first season of prognosis is available right now. What you used to listen to podcasts, apple podcast, Stitcher. Google find it there. Prog no says. These monuments during Jim crow era when people were essentially receiving their freedom. And also there several rights these monuments put up as reminders that you might be free. But we're still in charge SEM trying to defend their state their country. We didn't go baffled with the north. They come down here trying to to invade it us. It's an utter disrespect. I actually took my first trip down monument avenue might I complete trips all the monuments two days ago, I deliberately avoid monument avenue for that reason in my own personal protests. The young people today. You can't please. I don't know. I guess it just grew up different from what I did. I was in the military stationed in Italy, you go there and tear the call him down because many people were murdered there. I mean, it's it's history. I don't look at it as a monument, celebrating slavery. Moore's just a monument to history. Let's respect what they contributed and have continued to contribute before. And after the war and audit them in. We're not raise this friend. With a lot of the blacks had come out here with us. We tried on the soldiers that fault for the state of Daniel. We have so many large tall historic pieces of African American history that do not get preserved and literally get bulldozed over. And so it just puts a punctuation Mark on what's important to Richmond. Take them down. Take them. Christie Coleman you live in Richmond Virginia home to monuments avenue where any day of the week who can go visit Robert Lee and stonewall Jackson and Jefferson Davis. We got Lee highway right across the river from the district here in northern Virginia. When did these confederate monuments and tribute start to get controversial? We'll see that's the thing. A lot of people don't realize that even at the time that these monuments are going up there are people who are protesting them for various reasons. So the idea that this was sort of a unified front among all white people number one or that all Virginians and the other is patently wrong and false. It's just at the powers that be at the time made those decisions, and because they knew they were potentially threat because there were people at least here in Virginia that they were potentially at threat when they even went up they try to legislate protection. They do legislate protection of these things. What do you see when you look at a confederate Mon on Richmond Virginia? Well, I think for me, it's a lot different. You know, I understand the placement I understand history, and I understand their meaning even though I acknowledged former propaganda that was placed on the landscape as well. And I also understand why people do have this reaction to it. And whether those reactions of like paint them, they're disgusting. And I don't want them there as well. As people who look at them and have some form of veneration because generation Li they have been taught that that's what they should monuments and statuary, and all of this kind of thing they reflect the communities that put them up. He talk about this duality Virginia. How much does taking down confederate statues? Help a race that duality or help undo that duality taking down the statue is not going to raise the duality. The history is still going to be there that doesn't go away because the statue goes away. You know, that's probably one of the most beautiful things. I hear is that when you take down a stature you're racing history. Now, you're not history history. Still going to be there. But would it address the history of violence and suppression? No, it doesn't for some people. What it could mean is that the removal of them is an acknowledgement of the pain that they have caused it is an acknowledgement that they are not benign. And then there are other people who say you really want to deal with structural racism. I could care less about whether that statue. On the ground. What I care about is. Why do we still have redlining? Why do we have one of the most aggressive or had one of the most aggressive eviction programs in the country that in vertically affect poor people and people of color be really wanna make amends for this stuff. Let's go after the structural problems and the structural things that were put in place, not a statue. And you've got a governor who at least talks about doing both taking down the monuments during his campaign mentioned and and working really hard towards racial equality. He's been talking about since his black-faced past walked out of the closet. Do you think he's a loss caused now? Or can he salvage some legitimacy in the eyes of Virginians who who really want to move forward? I don't know. I would imagine that he is doing a lot of soul searching. And I think he's trying to figure out a path forward. And there are people who said if governor north them in his run-up to election had said, you know, there's some things about me, and my past that I have learned about because of my interactions with all of these people, I is a physician and understanding the challenges of families, or if you know, and then you know, if he had gone into this and said, I even grappling with race when I was a student. I did this the idea that if he had come clean about that Virginians particular genes of color would have been that's the first honest thing politician said in a long time, you figure what a work absolutely would've worked really absolutely would've. Really? Absolutely. How would that our apple because here's here's the thing is an acknowledgement that I did this in my past. And I've learned I've grown versus our ideas that I still embrace. That's the difference and people are willing to accept that that there is. Oth in. There is change. Christie. Coleman is the chief executive officer of the American civil war museum in Richmond Virginia. I'm Sean Rama's firm. This is today explained. Irene Noguchi is our executive producer of Piero's the engineer Richie McCarthy. Edits Noam hasn't felt in Luke Vander blue produce Sione, petro says the intern and Isabel is our essential oil diffuser. Thanks, mom special. 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