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John Bolton Is Fired. Or Did He Resign?

The Daily

22:17 min | 1 year ago

John Bolton Is Fired. Or Did He Resign?

"Hey Peter it's Michael Barbaro. Are you good. I Imagine I'm catching you absolutely in the thick of it just how in the thick of it like crashing what's going on okay. We saw the prisoners tweet about John Bolton being out as national career adviser and I wonder if I could ask you a few questions about it or is now just not a good time yeah. I think it would be better to write songs. I don't talk a little bit okay. Thank you bye from the New York Times. I'm Michael Go borrow. This is daily today. Peter Baker eventually take the call and explains what happened it to John Bolton. It's Wednesday September Eleventh Peter her hello. Hey I there were you. What a difference. A day makes little twenty twenty four hours in crazy town is John Kelly would call right John. Kelly him so yesterday. Peter you were telling us that president trump was calling off a peace deal with the Taliban which is exactly what his National Security Adviser John Bolton was pushing for and that's probably the John Bolton win now today. Bolden is either uh-huh in fired or he quit depending on who you believe so. How do you square those two well. Sometimes you win a policy fight I and lose the war right in this case did get what he wanted in terms of ending the negotiations at least for now with the Taliban but he had so worn down his relationship ship with the President That by plus twenty four hours later. He's out of a job. I'm your host Stephen Colbert. After we talk yesterday Saturday there was a confrontation between the president and over this very topic nonstop invited the Taliban to Camp David the weekend before nine eleven. That's like there's nothing that's like that people in Vice President Mike Pence's camp were upset at Bolton because of story both Vice President Mike Pence and National Security Adviser John Bolton thought it was a mistake that had come out saying that pence had also been against the Camp David meeting with the Taliban that was perceived by pence's people as away from Bolton's camp to basically enlist allies and say hey it wasn't just him AAC but according to people familiar with the talks trump wanted to be the deal maker who would put the final parts together himself or at least be perceived to be so they deeply resented granted that that was blamed on bulletin fairly or not and so by the time the president talk with Bolton last night feeling we're really raw right because bolden head opposed the Camp David Meeting and so the thinking is that Bolton would have been the one or people around him to get the word out that Oh I'm not alone book even the vice president oppose this meeting exactly and for months the president had been kinda bristling at what he perceived to be John Bolton's overly hawkish. This view of the World John Bolton is absolutely a hawk is up to him. He'd take on the whole world at one time. Okay you know he would even joke about that. I actually temper John which is pretty amazing isn't he was the peacemaker among the two. Nobody thought that was gonNA. I'm the one that tempers him but that's okay. I have different sides. I mean I have John Bolton and have other people that are a little more dovish than him and in some ways that was true because Bolton didn't like a lot of diplomacy that was going. I didn't like dealing with North Koreans. Koreans or the Iranians or the Taleban didn't trust any of them. He didn't think that they might stay in bed with these bad actors. Here's an all purpose insult that you can use who's I'll apply it to the to the North Koreans question. How do you know when the North Korean regime is lying answer when their lips are moving now. You're absolutely as somebody who's looking for the big deal. He's GonNa make a deal with the Taliban. Maybe homemaker deal with Iran again. I think Iran has tremendous economic economic potential and I look forward to letting them get back to the stage where they can show that and that was at the core of the very big differences between him and his national security adviser so what happens this morning well. The morning begins actually kind of normal in the White House there was a meeting of the national security team in the situation room chair by John Bolton as it should normally be without the president a couple of hours later the white it has scheduled a briefing that bolden was going to give in the White House briefing room to the press along with Secretary of state. Mike Pompeo Sector Treasury Steve Mnuchin talk about terrorism offers then attic breaking news just as we begin the hour the United States announcing on twitter his National Security Adviser John Bolton is leaving right around noon comes the tweet from the president. See The tweet from the president right there. I asked John for his resignation which was given to me this morning. I thank I'm John Very much for his service. I will be naming a new national security adviser this week within minutes though comes another tweet in a surreal moment twelve minutes later this one from John Bone Bolan denied he was fired tweeting. I offered to resign last night and president president trump said. Let's talk tomorrow. He saying that he offers resignation and the president had accepted in the words. It was his idea not the president I went ahead and texted him just to make sure we were understanding that he didn't giving us a different version. He was disputing the president. You texted jumble. I texted John Bolton on his phone and he texted back offered last night without his asking slept on it and gave it to him this morning so John. Bolton is disputing the version. The present game he say is not true mm-hmm and Peter. What happens to that press conference. We're Bolton talk well. They still had the briefing low everybody so Secretary Pompeo and I are here today to talk about the president's new executive order with Mnuchin the secretaries of state and treasury and they're there to talk about fighting global terrorism terrorism financing and how they're planning to be tougher on terrorism as we had the anniversary of nine eleven at this time secretary to take a couple of questions should this topic but of course everybody in the room wants to ask about the John Bolton get fired or quit did he what happened to Bolton and what what the back story is of course is that Pompeo have been at odds for months they have been in epic feud over basically the ear of the president share some of the same policy of user user both pretty hawkish conservatives but bump. Heo has done more to stay within the president's good graces. I would say than John Bolton back. Did he leaves the White House because he disagreed with Neil in particular over talks Tom so we asked Pompeii or about this. In the briefing room. Leave leave to the president to talk about the reasons he made decision but I but I would say this the presents entitled to the staff that he wants and I had to say he would know tears shed on his part for John. Bowl and he said look the present deserve to have somebody he trusts and values many times ambassador Bolton. I disagreed that's to be sure when he very openly said look. I had a lot of disagreements so he wasn't trying to even pretend that they didn't have a rivalry places that investment. I had different views about how we should proceed in one point. They were asked for you to buy what occurred today. Would they blindsided by this and both of them grin. I'm never surprised waist and POMPEO said I'm not surprised by anything. I'm never surprised he said Justice issue the pump Hale and are both hawks hell manner. Shan wooded difference might look like for them for example how did bolden handle Afghanistan Ghanistan and the Taliban talks verses pump hail well. That's one area where they were at. Odds on paper was more favorable toward the talk because he knew the president was for in other words. If he were left to his own devices it might not be his particular choice but Pompeo was more willing to subordinate is views to his presidents and that was the lesson he learned learn from Rex Tillerson who didn't do that. The First Secretary State and I'm getting fired as resume Bolton in some ways was policy-wise very different than REX tillerson but in terms of not simply going along to get along he was less willing to simply go along with policy ideas that he didn't favor where he probably went crosswise the president and his people value valued loyalty and they never quite accepted. Ole Miss a member of the team. Does all of that in the end kind of suggest to you that despite this dispute over exactly really what happened no I wasn't fired. I resigned. No I fired you that in the end. It sounds like it was trump who pushed out bone. Well well look at the relationship was broken. It was inevitable that this is going to happen whether it was never happened today or some other day. It doesn't really matter that much because we knew ooh that he overstayed his welcome now as he was no longer really going to be welcomed in that. White House come back this podcast is supported by CBS n the live streaming video news channel from CBS News Cbs N. is the original reporting in breaking news you trust from CBS News and it's always on we focus on facts not opinion. It's news for everyone. CBS is perfect for cord cutters because you can watch wherever you are across all streaming devices. Here's here's how you do it download the CBS News App any APP store and then start watching C. BSN right away for free. 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Please subscribe to the New York Times and thank you so Peter. I guess the question here is why why hire a national security adviser who is so fundamentally different from you on the issue of national security well. It's a great question what president trump liked liked about John Bolton joining me right now former. US Ambassador to the UN Ambassador John Bolton Ambassador. I was seeing on Fox News and very aggressively articulating conservative point of view people talk about closing this border for a long time. I was in the Reagan administration. We passed the nineteen eighty-six Immigration Reform and Control Act which was closed the borders. They thought that Bolton was kind of like minded huge realistic version of political figure. They do share some things. It's idea of America first does play into John Bolton's philosophy as well. He describes himself as an American nationalist. He's not all that thrilled with allies. Neither is president trump he doesn't really believe in the UN or allies international organizations and think that they're very effective or or that the United States should be subordinating itself to them. I'm neither does president trump. What he missed was that bones view is very different than his own view. Then president trump's view on a lot of these big issues on north career where president trump wanted negotiate with Kim Jong UN and John Bolton thought that was probably unwise. There's not a lot of time to waste here talking to the North Koreans. This is a waste of time on Iran. How long would it take for Iran to get a deliverable nuclear weapon roughly one day after North Korea gets where just a couple of months ago John Bolton teed up a retaliatory strike for the downing of an American surveillance drone right and the president hold it back at the last minute right on Russia John Bolton much much tougher much more skeptical of Ladimir Putin's Russia than the president would never invite them back into the g. Seven the way the president has talked about and finally of of course these last few days. We see highlighted in this very big dramatic way. There's no blind trust in the Taliban in this administration. That's for sure they idea of negotiating with the Taliban here. It seems like Bolton did ultimately have an outsized influence over these huge foreign policy issues that you just outlined he wanted the US to be out of the Iran nuclear deal the US now out he opposed peace talks with Kim Jong. ooh In North Korea. Those talks have more or less stall right. He was a peace deal with Taliban. The president just said those over not bad yeah in some ways that's true obviously but it depends on the issue on Iran for instance and I'm not looking that hurt Iran at all. I'm looking to have Iran say no nuclear the weapons we have enough problems in this world right now with nuclear weapons no nuclear weapons for rent and I think we'll make a deal. He was pushing on an open door. The President agreed with John Bolton's Walton's view of the Iran nuclear deal. They both thought it was a terrible idea that it was giving around too much leeway and that they should get out so they agreed on that but they didn't agree agree on for instance regime change. That's something that Bolton has always favored in. Iran presidents now publicly said several times. I'm not foraging change. These are great. People it has a chance has to be a great country with the same leadership. We're not looking for regime change. I just want to make that clear. We're looking for no nuclear weapons. If you look on your career you're right. The talks are stalled that certainly pleased John Bolton because he thought that their counterproductive and dangerous but probably wasn't because of him. It was really more because of Kim. I'm not coming to the table with anything meaningful so in a lot of ways John Bolton did have a lot of influence particularly help for instance holding out of some treaties like the IMF treaty with Russia but his successors were in areas where he was working with the presence own instinct where he was going in the same direction. We got in trouble. It was where he was fighting against the tide. I'm struck struck by the fact that the thing you say the president liked most about Bolton. His pugilist is combative style is also kind of a cost Bolton his job right yeah I mean. This is something that people said even seventeen months ago when he was hired you know winning was. I don't know those two in a room. The inevitable clash flash is going to eventually drive the part to some people. It's surprising that it took this long but he viewed his job as how to stop bad deals from happening within minutes of his resigning. I talk with the person who's close to Bolton and said look for seventeen months. The John Bolt was national security adviser. There are no bad deals. That's his view and and you know we've seen this before where people who surround the president view their job as stopping the president from doing things they consider be bad right in REX Tillerson's case for instance. It was the only around he wanted to stop the president for being too combative in the world. John Bolton wanted to stop the president from being too naive and his view to willing to get in bed with with bad actors who can't be trusted in both cases. It didn't end up well to boone is leaving with all these same. Foreign policy matters largely unresolved which is a problem for the next national security adviser. So what do you think is happening next. And what can you tell us about who you suspect the president will choose for that job and what it will tell us us about how he's thinking about those issues right exactly. I mean the the president said today that he will name somebody next week. Now it suggests he has perhaps somebody in mind wind and one of the names for instance. We've heard is a guy named Steve. Steve Begin is a former George W Bush administration official who has been president trump's chief negotiator later with the North Koreans. I fully understand the importance of this job. The issues are tough and they will be tough to resolve the president has created an opening in it's one that we must take by seizing every possible opportunity to realize the vision for a peaceful future breath for the people of North Korea that would seem to tell you if he picks big and that he's looking for somebody on the opposite side of Bolton when it comes to some of these diplomacy issues somebody who's willing to you talk with some of these bad actors order to try to negotiate some sort of an agreement on the other hand if he picks a different figure somebody who's more hard lined like John Bolton. Maybe you'll the policies won't change. The question really would be more about personality and fit and chemistry so we're looking to see who choices because I think it will be telling in figuring out where the president will go in this next year before the election finally really what are you thinking about on this fine afternoon besides the fact that the daily calls you all the time now well. He's a really interesting moment summit in foreign policy because we do have all these balls up in the air. We can't tell whether or not any of them are. GonNa come to fruition or not right. The president is talking with or talking about talking with North Korea. Iran the Taliban Afghanistan literally some of our greatest adversaries in history biggest enemies great adversaries. If you were to pull off what he wanted to pull off it would reshape reshape the world and America's place in it but and there's a big shot. None of these are guaranteed. These are all super hard super entrenched disputes. I have gone through many many presences before without being resolved and so he has set himself up for either a big win or a big loss depending on how it turns out over these months to come. I get the sense that John Bone would like to tell the story of what really happened and I hope you will then share with us. I'm looking forward to our them a hearing hearing story. We'll talk to you then. Thank you Peter. Thank you very back. Think of the last time you actually looked forward to go into the doctor. Keep thinking nothing there at one medical. We're working to change that that's that's why we came up with a modern approach. South Care One with same day appointments beautiful waiting rooms twenty four seven virtual care and providers who have time to listen. Oh and and also an endless supply cucumber water sound refreshing visit one of our seventy five locations across the country or one medical dot com to learn more about membership. 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Netanyahu who failed to create a governing coalition after his last election uh-huh prompting anew on September seventeenth said he would take over the territory in the name of Israeli security and with what he describe arrive as the approval of the trump administration but the move was widely seen as a last minute appeal to rightwing voters that would reduce use any future Palestinian state to a small area encircled by Israel and later today congressional Democrats doc rats plan to introduce gun safety legislation that would make it easier for police to take away guns from those deemed dangerous Bar gun purchases by people convicted of crimes and Bam magazines that hold more than ten rounds. The bills crafted in the wake of the latest mass shootings could pass in the democratically controlled house but faced significant opposition in the Republican controlled Senate. That's it for the I'm Michael. Oh Bond blackbeard Frank Sinatra the Beatles even even Queen Elizabeth. 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Fox News Turns on John Bolton | Ilana Glazer

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

25:40 min | 8 months ago

Fox News Turns on John Bolton | Ilana Glazer

"You're listening to comedy central January. Twenty Two thousand twenty from comedy central's World News Headquarters in New York. This is the daily show with Trevor Noah. ears the term body tune against people coming out. That's what everybody let's make a show Servino. Our guest tonight is a comedian. Just out with a new Amazon special. You know her. From broad city Ilana Glazer joining us. Everybody the tonight show John Bolton gets unfriendly Elizabeth. Warren let's dogs out and Donald Trump is locking the door to the country. So let's catch up on today's headlines. Let's kick it off with some international news involving the the British royal family. Recently Prince Andrew the third child of Queen Elizabeth was forced to step back from his royal duties after the public learned about his suspicious friendship friendship with sex offender and suicide victim Jeffrey Epstein and now the princess situation is getting even worse. Prince Andrew was under new fire here in the US. In American prosecutor issuing the royal a rare public scolding in the investigation into his former friend. Lay Jeffrey Epstein. In an unusual move today the the US attorney called out the royal refusing to answer questions and their investigation of his former friend. Would you be willing to testify or give a statement under oath if you were asked well. I'm like everybody else I'm on I'm an I would have to take All the legal advice But that was before before I was to to do that. Sort of thing. If push came to shove and the League Levi's to do so then I it would be duty-bound to do say okay I know his mouth said he's willing to cooperate. Fuck his head said no three hundred times. I'm not a body language expert but that Dude's head looks ready to plead guilty. I gotTA say Prince. Andrew is one shady as Prince. How about even even though Jerry and princes are looking at this guy like clearly he is lying? You cannot trust a single what he is saying or my name isn't the honorable Prince Daniel Waku routing number. Ed Zero seven five four. It's also crazy. It really is crazy to me. That Harry and Meghan have to renounce their royal titles just because they wanna live in Canada and work for a living this guy is protecting his pedophile friend and then you can stay prince. Yeah in fact why don't take Harian. Dan Megan's titles too long. Live Prince Prince Andrew. The princess. Yeah actually wanted to how far this will. Because it's a big story you know the FBI coming out saying like Andrew doesn't WanNa incorporate what's going to happen of the US authorities going to go to Buckingham Palace is going to be rated by the Navy Seals. That could get ugly. Because you know the Queen won't go down without a fight. Meanwhile back in America. It's just one week until the first voting in the Democratic primary takes place in Iowa which means Democrats can't afford for to be off the campaign trail for even a minute and now some candidates are even bringing along. This special friends Bernie had Alexandria Cossio. Cortez hold a ready for him. He Budaj had many more introduce him and Elizabeth Warren flip the script on everybody ball senator. Elizabeth Warren is that stunk in DC for the trial her most popular campaign partner Bailey. Warren is campaigning. In Iowa Bailey delivered a speech addressing the ratio of treats to belly rubs and he was joined by Drake Drake University's Griff the bulldog for eighteen minutes of selfies. Okay I see how it is in America. You shouldn't the dog to campaign for you. It's an endurable story. But if Africans elected a bush pig as mayor people will call us a wig continent seriously American politics. Strange you can just send the dog to fill in for you too can really and you want to sit. You can't do this any other job. They'll never announces on a flight. Ladies and gentlemen the pilot is sick but he sent his captain snappy to fly the plane you not I worry about though is now that Warren's dog is in the campaign soon we could see other candidates going negative on that dog just be ads like Elizabeth Warren. His dog says he's a good boy. He has a record of peeing in the house. and He's the father of twenty five legitimate children Bernie. Sanders approve this message. And finally. If you're planning taking a cruise soon you may want to think hard about what to pack. Carnival cruise line is adding a new dress code. Banning clothing that other guests may find offensive the cruise lines ends new rules specifically bans clothing accessories. That has nudity profanity sexual suggestions. Ethnic or racial commentary and violence of any form. Some feel that this broad policy is a rather slippery slope for carnival saying there are some people who find lots of things offense this this makes no sense how you going to ban offensive clothing from a cruise. I mean then you then you must ban cruises because all clothing on cruises offensive the whole all point of a cruise is that you can finally wear t shirts that makes you look like you're naked. Where else are you going to wear that to a job interview? Where do I see myself a five years? There's like this also. What do they mean no clothing with racial commentary? So I can't wear my kill white people shirts the buffet anymore. My grandmother got me that shirt. Okay Okay my white grandmother for real. Why why are we wasting time arguing about dress codes on a cruise? You know what we should be making. We should making cruise ship rules that we actually need like I have a few that are proposed. I think we need a rule about how long people are allowed to wave when the ship is leaving five minutes tops. I just stand there and wait for like an hour. It's too long people by the by the by the shifts. Not even move waving made sense when we didn't have phones you because I don't know if you've ever see those people ever again. I hope the iceberg doesn't kill you. I by now it's like by by then you on the phone. Yeah so you leaving. Let's face time time. Five five should never ends. Also here's another Rufa cruise ships people on a cruise ship bring cruise attitude into the city that they're visiting all right. That's what I like about airports. When you lend an apple they get you into the mood for the city? If you land at Laguardia came from the Bahamas and ten minutes you ate your life and now you ready for New York but you don't get that prep time on a cruise no gets off the cruiser ruined cruise mode in the walking the ramp in the same mood running around New York. They make these assholes running on forty second street. I'm trying to get to the Goddamn train and also need to stop honking that huge horn the whole city. Here's the thing Bah Bah Bah we see you're on cruise ship. No one is on the short. Is that a cruise ship or a bird. I don't know let's wave Beck and see if they way away five by right. That's it for the headlines. Let's move on top top story today. It was the seventh day in the impeachment trial of president. Donald Jaffar trump and the big news is still the bombshell dropped by John Bolton two former national security adviser and broke ass monopoly. Man You see in his upcoming book. John Bolton claims that president trump did in fact have a quid pro quo with Ukraine and where he demanded dirt on Joe Biden and a side of fries so John Bolton has now thrown a wrench into trump's impeachment trial which has been a major topic topic of discussion amongst trump's most trusted advisers Fox News. Now what's interesting. Is that not too long ago. John Bolton was clearly part of the Fox family joining us now Fox News contributor former. US Ambassador to the UN. John Bolton who better to bring in American Enterprise Institute scholar Ambassador John Bolton Ambassador Bolton always good to see you good morning not a good evening ambassador. Merry Christmas love seeing each and every day ambassador. John Lewis being walked to the studio by Stan. This is it. Oh Man. If Shakira's hips don't lie then those lips the lions because of that look at that it looks like he's legs or fused directly to his shoulders. It's like watching C.. Three Po trying to tour. That's so that looks like and you can tell you can tell how much people at Fox cared for. John Bolton goofy uncle who just wants to have fun and wipe Iran off the planets on it but now that Bolton's allegations could hurt. President Trump Fox News has made it very clear that he's no longer invited to the family. cookouts we heard from other other people Closely tied to the White House. Who Said Look John Bolton is simply trying to sell a book and that's why the timing is so delicious there is nothing thing Bolton adds to the conversation? That's John Bolton. Well it's really disappointing. If he ends up being just another think tank type trying to cash in on his time the White House and the only reason isn't anyone cares about what bulletin has to say is because he was trump's national security advisor period. Yeah that's exactly. Wii people want to hear from me. Her tone makes her sound right but the words are completely wrong. Like somebody saying the only reason anyone in the operating room listen to us because you're the head of surgery. Yes that's exactly but it's kiddies. Fox is now done with Bolton because he went against Donald Trump and at Fox News. You can do a lot of things this two things you can never do. Criticize trump or have irregular-sized neck. No one is as butthurt over. Bolton's betrayal as Lou Dobbs Fox business host and guy who locks his car doors when he hears black music on the radio the way he talks. It sounds like he's already impeached. Bolton from his friends list John Bolton himself has been reduced to a tool for the radical radical dims and the deep state he served as Romney's foreign policy adviser during Romney's failed twenty twelve presidential run Romney's long had connections with foreign in policy rhinos with him Bolton. One of the see how it works. You Bet not so complicated is it am I. The only one doesn't understand that shock because according to new dobbs the Vin brothers have no connection. Listen to each other. How does that work when they were kids? Did they only communicate through Bolton. This is like Mr Bolton Joan my brother to give back no Mr Baltin tell him I said he can only have it tomorrow. Both of you calm down. It's my toy and it's really sad that Lou Dobbs is so anti Bolton now because until a few months ago till a few months ago it seemed like he was Bolton's number one fan I think I think Anyone who knows John Bolton is celebrating because of his His intellect his capacity his experience talent John Bolton is one bright highly knowledgeable apple individual who has the interest of this country and this president in mind every step of the way John Bolton served this president well and we thank him for for his service. They don't think most people realize what a respected a figure. You are a respected attorney. We never talk about that. But Anyway John on Bolton and Fox News contributor a great American one minute John Bolton is a great American and the next. He's a tool for the deep states. I haven't seen a flip like that since bread. Now think about it fall of history all of human history. We like bread. Is the life force that sustained human civilization allies Asian for thousands of years. Then all of a sudden five years ago bread sandwiches lettuce now fox. News has put a clear message to every single one of trump's supporters. It doesn't matter how much they liked you before. If you talk smack they will. C'mon you foster than John Bolton on fit board we'll be right back the show. It's easy to forget that while impeachment is going on. Donald Trump is still in office pushing his agenda forward. And you have to admit it's kind of weird system. He's being investigated investigates it for High Crimes Against the country. But in the meantime is just like yeah. Just keep doing your thing. It's all good. Imagine if other jobs work this way it's like bill. We pretty pretty sure that you've been drinking and driving the school bus but until we figure it out you just keep popping wheelies man. We'll let you know so. While the trump continues trump is still doing president stuff and at the top of his to do list. Lately is keeping people out of America starting with supersizing the travel ban. President trump is planning to widen its controversial travel ban. The plan will prohibit nearly all people from seven countries. The restrictions are expected to be announced on Monday for our country has to be safe. You see what's going on in the world or country has to be safe so we have very strong travel ban and we'll be adding a few countries to yes. Donald Trump is expanding his infamous travel ban. And it looks like it's going to be six countries from Africa and Asia and one from Europe just to throw people off the sense yeah. Trump's troubled like reverse Oscars a bunch of Brown nominees and then one token white one thrown in for diversity is now I know I know trump. I'm State Department claims. They're doing this to keep America safe but it is feel like trump really just wants to ban the entire world but he's doing it a few countries at a time just so he doesn't look little crazy. It's almost the same way like how I treat the desert the desert at a buffet. Oh Yeah I'll just be like one of these maybe some of these. It was cheesecake. 'cause I've got to have the cheesecake. Oh I'll come back. I WANNA ask either way. The travel ban is about to get even brought up a while. Trump is trying to stop people from moving here. He's also preventing them from being born in America in the first place. The trump administration issued new rules today aimed at cracking down on so called birth tourism. When women travel here to give birth so their children will automatically become US citizens and it comes after president trump has railed against birthright citizenship? Listen ship you're a dictator who we hate and WHO's against us and that dictator has his wife have a baby not on American soil. Congratulations your son or daughter is now an American citizen. Does anybody think this makes sense. Okay why would dictate at one day child to be born as an American. What's the game plan? What just have have the kid born here become a US citizen and then when the kid returns home be like I have an American hostage and demands like Dad? What are you doing? Shut up now. Even though trump's example is crazy he's not wrong about people abusing birthright citizenship every year thousands of rich foreign women flights were America America just to give birth so the baby can be. US citizen and then they fly home. And if you ask me it's a good example of the constitution being behind the Times because back then when they came up with birthright citizenship normal just flying in for the weekend yeah back then you were considered an explorer if you went more than three towns over people in New York we're like did you hear James went to New Jersey and he survived so I get I get wanting to limit birth tourism but the question in is how his homeland security going to determine. WHO's coming in just to give birth? Because I could get pretty awkward at the airport or the board age is going to be like. Hey No pregnant women allow. Oh you're not pregnant okay fine you can come in but take a spin class of someone come on so maybe curbing tourism isn't the craziest idea but trump and just going off the rich families. No He's also targeting the tie at huddled masses yearning to breathe free and then trump administration has scored a victory in it's effort to place new restrictions on legal immigration. The Supreme Court has cleared the way for the government to deny green cards to immigrants if they sign up for public assistance. Like food. Stamps Sir Medicaid or if they're considered likely to apply for such assistance in the future yeah in other words. Trump wants to block poor people from staying in America which explains the updated inscription on the Statue of Liberty Bitch Betta have my money and honestly this is kind of depressing because is coming from nothing and building. A life for yourself is literally the American dream. It's basically what the country was founded on that and the freedom to get wit as haircuts but that mostly asleep and the irony of this law is that trump's own mother arrived in America as a poor immigrant with barely any money to her name so if these rules were in place yes when she came over she probably wouldn't have been allowed to stay. She would've been denied a visa sent packing. And then there would be no president trump. 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And then it's it's for the planets at the same time precious sky time right right. It's free it's free. Climate Change Advertising at the saints. Exactly legates and now you've made Amazon page advertise about Karma check. Now now I recognize the irony for sure. That was pretty amazing. Let's talk about the special hold you. You've done something different. You haven't tried to mimic anyone stand ups. It's very very much you. It's very much a comedy and just you when you went into it where people like. We WanNA see Lana from broad city or were they like no. We want to see like your your your improv roots or your stand up. Routes we worried about what people wanted to see. I'm still worried you name it. I'm like who am I I. I'm still totally worried. But I love love. Stand up and it's such a I mean it's classic it's so it's the og art styles OJ comedy And it's just a different path. Half I guess that I've had to be able to form my character through broad city but I don't know that I'm there was like one not. I'm not one until like search bad reviews or whatever but there's review that was like she's is she Alana Wexler ratio on Glazer Bitch. I don't know you know like I'm working out too so I just you have another show coming up called Horny for the polls poses in like voting polls the polls. No no I just want you to understand what the words sound the same I am so Oranje for the polls you really. Although I believe I don't know this about your people do know about you but you. Are you not ashamed to be an activist at all like you. You don't hide that you know as a lot of comedians like keeping my politics out of my stand up but you know I'm GonNa tell you who I am. What I believe in politically and I'm going to fight for that? Yeah I mean like I don't really I don't feel like I have a choice you know like I'm just not that person to be like this is the this is me and that all flowing so I don't. That's like what I have to offer is my perspective although it's fine if people don't want to talk about politics and there probably I guess the Republican if they don't do But Yeah I consider myself more an advocate. I have political organization generator and I'm going on tour in March and every city that I do stand up in. We're doing voter empowerment. Dance Party with generator. And then like they're going to get like registered to vote and so at Club that is one of the most games. The things I've ever heard that's like people are going to be in awe and and then the middle of the cubs lights Komo's like I registered to vote. You got literally it is so it's You know my co-founder Glenis and I. Were Kurtz. Were Horny for voting. We're just like this is who we are so we do we dance and we get down and then every fifteen minutes synagogue announcement but seriously synagogue announcement and then and then we give information about upcoming local elections in the middle of the party. I mean the idea of things to say I know exactly. How long have we been putting our hands in the yeah? How long have we been waving them around? Like just don't care. The roof has been on fire. No one's going to put that thing chatter. You get what I'm saying but now this I think all these all these they should follow your lead on this. Everyone should be registered to vote. Ever get on out into the paint love it it I love it I hope everybody does. I hope everybody watches your comedy and enjoys both Alana's thanks very thanks. 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John Bolton: New Hero To The Left

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John Bolton: New Hero To The Left

"We need to roll back. The state we spy I on all of our own citizens are prisons flooded with non violent drug offenders. If you WANNA know who. America's next enemy is looking at funding right now. These problems are government being way too big. What is up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of part of the problem. Of course I'm David Smith. Of course he is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. The King of the Cox. What's up my brother? Not The man Rafer show Mondays. Fuck yeah drink some Cappuccino there say oh yeah. I haven't even started yet it. Oh Yeah it's fresh. got a fresh Cappuccino right in front of you. I didn't even know we had a Cappuccino machine. Well he's started hanging out at the office little more with next door. I don't know common folks rubbed me the wrong way I But you know Fridays. Your drinking yeager by Monday. You're drinking CAPPUCCINO. That's good like beginning of the weekend of the week. Nick and we'll get you back to yeager. That's definitely the way it flows. Yeah Yeah Great. Monday Tuesdays but by the time Wednesday comes around Wednesday the second half the Wednesday as rough Thursday just jerking off in the office. It's a it's it's rough all right well anyway. Guys don't forget me and Rob Bernstein are era torn around a bit. We will be in a Boston. Very limited seating left. I think it might be too late. I don't keep up with the numbers numbers I know. There was limited seating. As of a few days ago it might be sold out. You might have a chance to go see us in Boston February seventh at the comedy hideout probably too late you you slept on that one. Okay but Boston. Isn't that far. A drive from Philadelphia. I guess anyway Philly February twenty first still tickets available there So me and Raba. We're doing a live. PODCAST analyzed stand up comedy. Show two separate shows so come on out to either or both Should be a lot a lot of fun. And we'll We'll have some more gigs coming right in the constitution. That's right we're going in there taking out some flaws what does this amendment about women voting. Get this crap Outta here. So not a coincidence. We've gone downhill since then and my right now. Speaking of going downhill. Rip Kobe Bryant. Sorry to hear about sorry to hear about that. That was a tragic tragic terrible situation. Man People it's am. I an asshole for this. This is where I go. I really do. Have this like contrarian thing about me where at first you're like Oh man. Kobe Bryant and his daughter died with. What fucking horrible things? It's like really sad and then after it's so blown up on twitter you start to go. Maybe it says something a little weird about us as a culture. It's just strange then. I saw like a few different people. Like my boy Ari. Shofar just fucking trolling. The fuck out of the Internet and to the most was beautiful fashion but people are so furious so furious about it and then it was the Kobe thing on many different different layers like there. Were like at least a few major ones that I noticed like show demonstrated things about our culture and almost every one of them was terrible but number one like the most basic obvious thing was just this weird American hero Arrow worship of athletes. Like we're just supposed to care one hundred thousand times more when a really really good basketball player died you know like people die all the time these horrible things but there's gotta be like way more outrage about this then you know like the flint water crisis or something like that like you know what I I mean like. Hundreds of people died in America yesterday right like what. Why is this one the most but it's and by the way he was a really really good basketball player like top five? Live in my lifetime really really good but still why. Why exactly am I supposed to care about this like? It's only played for the Lakers. It's like you know it's like this kind kind of weird thing and then you saw the like There was like a corner of the Social Justice Warriors. That were like. He's you know a rapist so you can't care about him dying which is also stupid. Because it's like first of all I mean okay it's it's fucking shady and the the whole thing is who the fuck knows what happened. But he wasn't convicted of it you know. He settled out of court. Take from that what you will. But it's also like well. Why would you even be bringing that? Stop in a serious way. I mean if he is a rapist then the rapist is dead. It's just a wife and I think four children who lost their husband father and sister so why bring what do you want to fucking punish them for what he did. And then if you didn't do it you're just fucking like you know insulting a guy who just died like it's so that's stupid and then the the other level that was just sad and and like disgusting how politicized it has to get in every level level so like Obama tweeted something like some real nice thing you know just like oh we liked Kobe Bryant me and you know Miana fucking Michelle are very upset about this bubble. You know just like a standard Nice tweet and then there's all these blue checkmark showing it like. I wish we had a president who had this type of class right now now and but it's like so you're using this as a moment to get another dig in trump and then by the way trump tweeted out almost the exact same thing like almost the same exact. It's just is all of this like sucks. It's like a great basketball player. died and his daughter died. Which is the more tragic thing? But I was just so weird fucking culture weird culture that we that we live in now. I saw some other comics. Who are given Ari Shit so that you? You can't joke about this. This is in bad taste. That's like the comedian perspective. Like what why. Why is this one so over the line? What what's your justification occasion for that? You could joke about every other horrible thing but this one is just not Kobe. Guy Was the second highest scoring and Laker. History can't joke oh combat. Why why would that be the line? And it's tragic but I don't think you're joke is really adding to the tragedy at all. I think it's equally as tragic whether or not not someone jokes about it all all very strange weird culture weird fucking world that we live in you know. What are you going to do? I'll tell you build a wall all right so the few interesting things happening that I wanted to talk about rubber and jeans wearing a hat. That's number one hat life treating you know some days. You just give me a caveman. I think it's bigfoot. Oh Oh yeah. Yeah so. He owns through the the Monitor. Yes you're right bigfoot. But he's walking around. Is King Kong skyscrapers skyscrapers in the back. Now I think it's big full. He's out in the jungle He took a shit now. He's like walking back to his hut. Oh are those trees. Okay got it now I get it okay. There here we go. I was literally just trying to buy time because I wanted to pull up. I can talk about bigfoot more or my hats. You know. I'll be honest. I didn't feel like it was going. I'm great So topic number one That I wanted to discuss is the state of the Democratic primary which keeps on You know as we get closer and closer and we're like within arm's distance now of the Some of the Iowa Caucus and this thing is getting so interesting to me so interesting so Bernie Sanders in the latest polls has been what you could call surging and Elizabeth. Warren has been taking the gap between them is really separated and now and I just just wanted to pull this up to make sure I can give you the exact The exact numbers here. Okay so the I got realclearpolitics. Oh clear politics which is a great Great site to go to for For for To get the polling and they give you like the realclearpolitics six average and stuff like that so right now in Iowa. Let's see if I can get the fuck average here in Iowa. Sanders is up up by One on the realclearpolitics average but there was one poll. That had him up by. I believe As much as six. There's the CNN. UNH Poll. Has Him up by nine points in New Hampshire and then I think it was a five points in terms of the average but more or less Bernie Sanders has now moved into first place in Iowa and New Hampshire both of these same polls have Elizabeth Warren Fading I think she's down and About five or six points over the last week so it seems that right now Bernie Sanders. Sanders has really taken over that slot. The Uber Progressive Economic Populist Democratic Socialist Slot plot which is interesting for a lot of reasons. And you look. I've said from the very beginning of this has raised that from the very beginning of the Democratic primary this was Bernie Sanders race to win or to lose up to him whether whether or not he wants to really do this us now. One of the things that it that the I gotta say one of the real positives of this. That really kind of heartened me a little bit. Is that if you pay attention to the Cable News and and just the corporate president general like the newspapers as well they were all. It's it's really been amazing to watch throughout this Democratic primary. I mean how many times you know. And we've we've talked about it at length but how many times they told you that they were like. Hey you know we got this Baidoa roar guy. He's the guy like I mean. Just look at this charisma and then you see him up there. And you're like Oh my academy this guy's pathetic and the voters felt the same way and they were like well. You know obviously who you know. The serious contender is as Kamala Harris and everybody. They'll do all of these like these cable news panels which you know. I've been enough on a few of them myself. But it's so funny how they're presented like I have a an interesting insight into the way these these panels work Because I've done a lot of them on on multiple different networks works and I've I've talked to a lot of these people and they get put out there as fucking experts like this is the panel. They're going to tell. Oh you what's going on this. These are people who do this professionally and in in almost any field that would be somewhat accurate Iraq like. I don't know if if you were just talking about the way stand up. Comedy works to a bunch of people who aren't in comedy and you were on a panel to do do that. You could tell people the way it works like you know a lot better than they do like you'd be right about just about everything you're saying like you'd be like well. This is how you have to do. These are the clubs. This is how you get into the clubs clubs a lot of people do this. A lot of people work the road like just basic things like you know because you've done this for years and they haven't if if there was just like panel on plumbing and you had three plumbers. They're going to know more about plumbing than the people who aren't plumbers. It's literally that simple okay. But yet with this politics shet these. People don't know anything and I am constantly shocked still. It never wears off when I'm there and I'm like I am some idiot. Comedian I have no no title. I have no business knowing better than all of you guys at the area that you're supposed to be experts in and yet I do every single time. That's again Dan. I'm an idiot. That's just how bad they are so all the point I'm making is when Kamala Harris attacked Joe Biden for being against busing. Remember she had that the whole line when she was like. You know there was a little girl on those buzzes and that little girl was me and the media was all like devastating. Take Down Kamala. Harris is the new favourite. She'll she'll probably be the front runner by tomorrow and I had no effect or no effect on her pulse. No one fucking bought into it. They saw right through like even within the Democratic Party thirty. It was kind of Nice to see that even the Democratic Party primaries are not woke twitter like they were like. I don't really care if there's someone who's the black woman of color who called Joe Biden sexist or racist. That's not really doing it for me. And she just fells campaign completely tanked now likewise Elizabeth. Warren everybody in the corporate press was telling You Elizabeth Warren won the day against Bernie Sanders and that last fucking debate and we. We're sitting here. It was so obvious to call. It's like no. She lost that like I'm sorry. She lost that exchange every inch of it this was corny and contrived and and we were right and they were wrong. They kept saying Oh my God she had the line of the night Bernie Sanders really flubbed it when he had the chance to like. How do you see? It's amazing. How fucking out to lunch? These people are how do you see somebody like. Let's say that she was telling the truth about that. That that conversation. Let's say Bernie Sanders in confidence two years ago to. What is what what is described by Elizabeth Warren? As a as a close friend like she. She says they're close close friends. He said to a close friend two years ago you know. I don't actually know if a woman can be president and then you decided four political purposes to tell the world this three weeks before the Iowa caucuses and then after the debate he extends his hand and you refuse to shake hand. How do you not come off looking like the asshole like in? What world are you not the asshole here? You imagine just like telling the world about any close friend of yours telling the world that they said something offensive offensive to you two years ago right before you are both up for a job interview. quit a shed most. Should he move and it just seems like now. It's like Oh you you look at it like in. In the last couple of weeks the polling is in this clearly was a victory for for Bernie Sanders and every single time that the corporate press tells you you will. This is how voters are going to react and they react the exact opposite way. There's a real positive in that because everyone looks at and goes oh you don't you're not in touch with the people you supposedly Salihi are serving at all. So that's nice but this is going to get interesting. This is going to get interesting. There's there's a dynamic dynamic now at work where very likely Bernie Sanders is going to win Iowa and New Hampshire and and that positions him very strongly to win the nomination. What's going to happen at that? Point is a lot of other people. Their campaigns pains are going to start to dwindle. And eventually fold. You're talking about Elizabeth Warren dropping out of the race Quite possibly Mayor Pete. Shortly after you're talking about Amy Klobuchar close your I mean. Maybe she'll hang around for a while but I doubt it and then you start to go like Oh wow Bernie. Sanders is going to become the favourite now because he's already got the first there's two he's got the momentum he's got the ground game he's got the energy he's got the fundraising and it's going to be against this old man Joe Biden who somehow is older Bernie Sanders. I I don't know how even though he's a year younger he's older. He is older. And that's now this becomes an interesting acting questions so there's a few different possibilities about how this could go right. So let's say Bernie Bernie Sanders wins the nomination will what what happens. Then I mean Bernie Sanders Sanders actually. Let's say let's first before we even talked about if Bernie Sanders were to win. Let's say Bernie. Sanders is doesn't win. Let's say he. He takes Iowa and New Hampshire jour and this is a real possibility right now at this point and him and Joe Biden are very close. Or maybe Warren ends is up winning a few. Maybe Buddha judge wins a few and nobody reaches the threshold and they go to a contested convention. Okay well now. You're going to go to a contested convention and I promise you one person will not win at a contested convention and that's Bernie Sanders. So what happens. Now Hillary Clinton's Clinton's GonNa sit there and say she was so hurt by Bernie Sanders. Last time will what are they going to do. When there is a clear narrative that the Bernie Sanders people have that that that Bernie Sanders was screwed out of this nomination again that once again this nomination was taken away from him by the? DNC How are you going to get those Bernie. Rose out to vote for for Joe Biden. Are Amy Klobuchar. Or whoever the candidate is that they would pick. How the fuck does that can happen? That's I'M GONNA leave. A very weak Democratic nominee almost surely would be the result of that if it gets that far and the DNC has to step in the other option. As I was saying before. Is that Bernie. Sanders Wins Bernie. Sanders wins the nomination. Now here's a problem with that right Bernie. Sanders has now been called by Hillary Clinton who was the last nominee a person who nobody likes. WHO's WHO's sexist who's held is damaged? Hillary Clinton is the reason why Donald Trump's there now Elizabeth Warren has also added onto this charge of sexism so so now Bernie Sanders has to be the guy who was it like insulted by all of these people with a lot of support within the Democratic Party. And he's gotTa go try and and run with that. I mean that's that's going to have some effect on the enthusiasm it's like Oh so we've been selling you. Basically all all of the democratic propaganda for the last four years has been all about electing the first female president and now Bernie Sanders is being accused. Used to being sexist and basically. He's the reason why this glass ceiling will not be broken because of Bernie Sanders that he decided to. You know he killed this chance. How's that GONNA play out? It's starting to seem like whoever ends up limping to the finish line here is GONNA be in a very precarious spot bought and starting to see the Democrats freak out a bit. I think as this reality sets in more and more so we'll see what happens here man but this is this is is going to be really interesting all right guys. Let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show brand new sponsor who I'm thrilled to have on board and that is undercover tourist. Rest planning a vacation is hard work and overwhelming. I want you to know how to save money and save time okay. 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'cause I've said for a while that I was kind of rooting for For Biden to win because I think it will be really entertaining to watch the entire media. have to pretend for six months that there's nothing wrong with Joe Biden like like that would be really really entertaining to watch them have to be like. Oh he's totally. Got It together. All these people questioning is health are crazy. You know as he's like up there like I love to to play with my leg hair and children news like Holy Shit but I gotta say right now for more serious reason I'm kind of rooting for Bernie Sanders and the reason is is because I think if Bernie Sanders is on the ballot. There's no way like we are forced in to a national referendum on socialism. And I think that like at this point with how how big and out of control our government's grown that might be the best thing for the fucking country it's like we need an upper upper down. Vote Right now. Do you want to be a socialist country and Bernie Sanders forces that now. Don't get me wrong long Bernie. Sanders isn't a pure socialist and Donald trump shirts. Fuck isn't a pure capitalist. Put it kind of makes that the conversation. Do you want socialism socialism or capitalism and. I think that that that to me if Bernie Sanders running. Then there's you have to have that conversation to some degree and I think that that's we got a hope that's a conversation we can win and be like Yeah No. You don't want to embrace the deadliest ideology in human history. That's probably probably not a good idea. And the fact is he doesn't run away from that label he uses it. There's no way donald trump isn't gonNA use the fact that he praised all of the most brutal socialist regimes gyms in his day. He's going to have to use that against him and let's fucking let's let's have it out. You know like at least to some degree maybe it will force donald trump to run a little bit more as a capitalist first and then Jacob Hornberger can come in there and show them why they're all bunch of token idiots but anyway I just I the the likelihood that Bernie Sanders wins has gone up. The likelihood of a contested convention has gone up and a contested convention. It might just destroy the Democratic Party. I mean it's certainly we're GONNA be. It's there's been a civil war going on in the Democratic Party since two thousand sixteen and they have not had a decisive victory yet so so it'll be interesting to see how this ends up turning out. We'll be watching. It's coming up real soon real soon. I love this shit as much as I hate politics. fucking love politics. It's fucking this is GonNa be a real interesting one All right so let's say all right the other thing that I wanted to talk about and this has been the The big impeachment news which is just completely fitting for the Donald Trump presidency is that the It seems that the new hero of the of the Liberals is John Bolton John Bolton the new the new hero to the left it I mean I you know speaking just a little bit when I say that but he so John Bolton has a of course completely selflessly written a book and he's time to the book to Release soon and there are accusations. About what trump did with Ukraine of course John Bolton Dalton was the national security advisor to president trump who was fired a few months back. and He's if you don't know him. War Hawk extraordinaire One once you could easy More easily count the places that he doesn't want to invade than those that he does and You know so he of course If you do look at this whole thing from the perspective that we have which I believe is the correct one that this is kind of a CIA the IRA led a attempted coup. And that there's basically been a deep state cu Against Donald Trump born attempted one for since basically the very the beginning and even before he was elected president. And you realize that the reason that there's all of this animosity towards Donald Trump and there's all of this Importance placed placed on. Getting him out is because he does not go along with the foreign policy concensus of both parties Then of course you you understand why John Bolton would be eager to damage the president. Who didn't you know? Give him the wars that he wanted and then ultimately fired him so anyway have you Did you appear about the the John Bolton stuff. Yeah really the excerpts from his book I have read the experts but you know I saw that the whole time. I mean it's the story goes back back to the beginning of that. They got to put these adults in the room to keep their eye on trump and every time they opened up their mouth. Oh my God you wouldn't believe how bad this guy is. And that's been the democratic story from the beginning of we. Can't Dan have this guy here. Yeah this is just more of the same. They're just trying to get trump to look bad in the story. Now is that Bolton has can give direct testimony of the fact that there was a quid pro quo and I guess I'll believe it when I hear well what happened. Where that he's just lying? Well I don't really believe that bulletins now part of well I don't you know I'm not even so sure that he's lying because the th the more you look into it it's not sure exactly what's there like. What exactly is the accusation here? What happens with a lot of these things and this is how you know like we were talking about before how someone like Adam? Schiff can continue to say there was collusion and Muller did find collusion. It's like well they start with his evacuation. Donald trump colluded with the Russians and collusion. While it is an antitrust law is not actually a law in regards to this case. That's not collusion. What does that even mean? Well obviously what you're implying when you say there's collusion is that there's some type of nefarious conspiracy going on here you know. It doesn't meanwhile. He had lunch and talked about golf with Vladimir Putin. They're saying he colluded to do something right like that's the obvious. Implication and then trump says no collusion. There was absolutely absolutely no collusion. And then Robert Muller comes out and says we couldn't find any evidence to support that there was a conspiracy between the two of them and they go. He never ruled that collusion. I mean he met with the Russians is on this many times and they're like see. We have trump on tape saying no collusion and look. I call this collusion. He met at the trump tower with with some Russians. And like where it but this is all getting so bogged down in semantics and hazy and what the claim was was that Donald trump was conspiring with a hostile foreign in power and that was made up out of thin air. And you all knew. This was made up for two years before the Mueller investigation wrapped up and then that kind of gets lost and they get to play these word games. So what happens right here. is they go. Oh there was quid pro quo. And then Donald Trump says there was no quid pro quo and then they can go see quid pro quo but what it gets lost in. All of this is that. There's nothing illegal about that quid. Pro Quo doesn't mean anything. It just means you give me something I give you something. That's how politics works on. Every single level all domestic and foreign the question is whether Donald Trump you know like did something nefarious for political reasons. And that's a lot of murkier and in in fact there's almost no evidence to suggest that as of right now but we'll we'll get into a little bit. I wanted to read a little bit from the New York Times. Article about this this morning So so here from the article And there's a New York Times article by Maggie Haberman and Michael Schmidt Schmidt and the article is titled Trump tied Trump tied Ukraine aid to inquiries he saw Bolton Book looks says drafts from the book outlined the potential testimony of the former national security adviser if he were called as a witness in the president's in the president's impeachment trial now from the article and we don't have to read the whole thing but I wanted to get into At least the beginning of it all right 'cause you because you just see how they present these things things and then see like what's actually there all right from the article. President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing using three hundred ninety one million insecurity insecurity assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into into Democrats including the Biden's according to an unpublished manuscript by the former advisor. John R Bolton. So right away. Hey sounds devastating if you've already bought into the democratic talking points this is devastating right. I mean Oh my God there it is. He was withholding. The May the aid to investigate. The Biden's okay. So this is exactly what we were always accusing him of there. We go all right back to the article. The President Statement as described by Mr Bolton could undercut a key element of his impeachment. Defense that the hold up in aid was separate from Mr Trump's requests it's that Ukraine announced investigations into his perceived enemies including former vice president. Joseph R Biden junior and his son hunter enter Biden who had worked for Ukrainian energy firm while his father was an office. Bolton's explosive account of the matter at the center of Mr Trump's impeachment trial while the third in American history which included which included in drafts of a manuscript. He has circulated in recent weeks to close associates. He also sent a the draft to the White House for a standard review process For some current and former administration officials who write books multiple people described Mr Bolton's account of the Ukrainian Fair the book presents an outline of what Mr Bolton might testify to if called as a witness in the Senate impeachment trial. The people said the White House could use the pre publication review process which has no set timeframe to delay or even kill the book's publication or omit key passages just after midnight on Monday. Mr Mr Trump denied ta telling Mr Bolton that the aid was tied to investigations. If John Bolton said this it was only to sell a book he wrote on twitter reprising his argument that the Ukrainians themselves felt no pressure and falsely mostly Asserting that this aid was released ahead of schedule over a dozen over dozens of pages. Mr Bulletin describes how the Ukrainian cranium affair unfolded over several months until he departed the White House in September. He described not only the president's private disparagement of Ukraine but also new who details about senior cabinet officials who have publicly tried to sidestep involvement For example Mike Pompeo and Rudy Giuliani money. Okay so what's inch by the way kind of interesting that the New York Times refers to trump Mr trump just sang. And and you see this. Are they supposed to call him. President trump and then they're also you know it's like this kind of explosive allegation by. I mean they're clearly you know like painting their own narrative tired of intriguing. This as if it's a fact but there's a couple of key phrases that I thought were that were interesting here. So the article says in his A- August two thousand nineteen discussion with Mr Bolton. Oh the other thing that that should be noted is that they're they're now saying that if you I understand that people have seen the manuscript and have told The New York Times about this so this is now. This is the one person's accounting of a conversation that other people have read that person's accounting of the conversation and told The New York Doc Times and the New York Times is now going to tell you what other people said about one person side of the story but of course it's treated almost as if this is a factual explosive explosive. If true all of this stuff okay. but from the article in his August Twenty nineteen discussion with Mr Bolton. The president appeared it focused on the theories. Mr Giuliani had shared with him replying to Mr Bolton's question that he preferred listen to this. He preferred sending no assistance to Ukraine until officials had turned over all material. They had about Russia in about the Russia investigation investigation that related Mr Biden and supporters of Mr Clinton in Ukraine. Okay that's a pretty important passage. Keep that in your mind went. And then I just wanted to reiterate the the first paragraph from the article and these are things that you almost have to like you have to actually really think about it. So the back to the first paragraph of the article President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing using three hundred ninety one million insecurity assistance to Ukraine Intel officials. They are helped with investigations into Democrats including the Biden's according according to an unpublished manuscript by John Bolton so again it's very fuzzy. It almost seems to indicate this was about two thousand sixteen more than it was about two thousand twenty. Which of course changes everything? But they're not reporting that in the New York Times article so you get where I'm coming from here it's if this was about as they say The Russia investigation will. This wouldn't have to do with the twenty twenty election. This would be in regards to the two thousand sixteen election and it's going to be a much harder sell to say that Biden was somehow caught up in that that you're not allowed to. He's not allowed to want that investigated especially when all they've been four is investigating this whole time. Here's listened so so so far basically. There's nothing here they're making it out like it's this huge new revelation. But there's there's nothing look I mean the something that you could say there is that if Donald Donald Trump says there was no quid pro quo. And you're like well they're Kinda was like okay fine but that's not impeachable. There's not an impeachable offense events for the president to downplay something for the president to fault. You know like speak or or falsely speaker misrepresent something. The problem is this and this is the problem. They've had from the very beginning number one. If you want to say that the rule is that you're not allowed to get any information from foreign countries that could be beneficial to you in in a campaign. It's like okay but there is no rule that says that there's no law that says that there's there's nothing illegal about that and oh by the way they just made up that rule and they're only applying to donald trump because because if you apply that to Hillary Clinton all the sudden. She's working with a former British spy named Christopher Steele to get the whole fucking. I mean Yeah the Christopher Steele to get that whole dossier So now you've got a problem on your hands. The the other issue is that Donald Trump. Well okay so here's just a few of the issues. You Have Adam Schiff who saying that. This was a matter of national security and the reason why we had add to We have to impeach is because Donald Trump threatened our national security for his own political purposes of there. There's a few major problems with that. Of Of course it. The idea that Ukrainian Foreign aid military aid is a matter of national. Security is a completely completely subjective assertion. Like there's no real proof that that is in fact the case and of course. I think many like we would probably we argue that actually sending money to one side of a military conflict. The side that's against Russia is probably more dangerous store national security than anything else but even that aside another big problem that you'd have to have is that trump actually ended up sending aid and more military aid than Obama sent. He actually sent like anti missile technology to them. Whereas Obama didn't Obama refused to so oh by their own logic than Obama was putting national security? You know in in jeopardy and trump's been better on that issue so there's another big problem problem that they have but more so than that the heart of the matter which is what this impeachment really where it really all falls apart is that they can can say all this stuff about donald trump digging up dirt on political enemies They they can say he wanted the Biden's investigated or something like that. Ah But the the real problem is that you look if they had something like. Let's say this if they had donald trump up in any way saying that he wanted them to. Let's say in the phone call. He said that he wanted wanted them to fabricate dirt on the Biden's then that you would really have something there. Okay then you would really have something if he he was saying. I want you to frame Joe Biden for something. You'd have yourself a real argument and then you could connect the fact that he asked a foreign nation to to frame Joe Biden and then you could connect in some way that he was actually withholding military aid and it seems like those two were connected. Did like it seems like. He was withholding money that had been allocated by the Congress to Ukraine and he was holding unless they framed. Joe Biden. Then then you would have something. But what's the big difference between that in reality. He didn't ask them to frame. Joe Biden he asked them to investigate instigate corruption. And there's no law against that. There's nothing illegal here. There's nothing there's just nothing. He asked for an investigation allegation into corruption. Now if you think that there's nothing there if your argument is that there is no corruption by the Biden's okay okay but then what would be the problem with investigating it right. I mean we investigated Donald Trump for years and found nothing there. What are you against investigations now or is it only by foreign governments? Will who else would investigate PRISMA. It's a Ukrainian company. Wouldn't the Ukrainian government the ones to investigate them. You start to see how this is such that this is all grasping at straws. And I think it's ultimately why this this impeachment is not going going to go the way that The way that a lot of these Democrats would like it to guys. Let's take a quick moment and thank our sponsor for today's show show which is circle. CPA tax season is coming up. And that's why you gotTa know about circle. CPA CIRCLES EPA is run by Libertarians. Who Want to help? Hope You keep more of your money. Three quarters of Americans overpay on their taxes most people don't understand how to use deductions. No one wants to make a mistake and have the irs come. I'm knocking. That's why it's worthwhile to let an expert handle your taxes for you. 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All right. Let's get back on the show. Have you been watching any more of the hearings scattered. It's so boring because I still the whole thing is going to get thrown out anyways. It's been a showing of bullshit by the Democrats to just try and keep trump in the news and keep parading around how terribly is and it's boring. I can see the end. Yeah no I I agree with you on that one and it's You know there was A. It's interesting though how that you see kind of like the It's just like many of these other things if you just were to. If you weren't to dig any deeper and just take the surface level of it. I can and see how they're making this case that it's kind of like well look what he did he tried to you know. He tried to bully them with the foreign aid to do what he wanted them to do. It's just as you scratch a few levels underneath Johnathan like but are you actually telling me that like are you saying this. Are you saying that if Joe Biden was involved and in some corruption. Let's say there was something illegal. Just hypothetically that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden were involved in some illegal activity in the Ukraine. Are you you telling me. Donald Trump can't ask them to investigate that because Biden's running for president. Well what if Biden wasn't running for president. Then could he. We investigate that so like okay. Well you may think there's no illegal activity there. It's like okay. He didn't ask them to frame the Biden's he said. I think there is illegal. Legal activity here. Can you investigate it by the way. I'm not convinced that all that there is illegal activity there I think it's damn sure corrupt. There's no question that the Ukrainians were purchasing influence from Joe Biden by paying fucking unqualified Saana. Shit ton of money. But I don't know that there's actually a law against that. I from what I understand. This is pretty pretty much how politicians kids operate. I think this is pretty standard for a senators kid or vice presidents kid to be in this type of situation. I don't know that there's a law against it. Maybe or maybe they're maybe there should be one but I don't know that there is but there's just there's nothing wrong with there's nothing wrong with with what trump did there was a good article in a national review by rich lowry who You know I'm not a big fan of of national review be or or rich in in general but the But he it was called fifteen flaws and Adam shifts case and he goes through a bunch. I don't know if we'll go through the whole thing. There were a bunch that we're just worth Just breaking down the quotes of Adam Schiff and then showing you how he you know he puts this in a certain way but it just it upon scrutiny complete bullshit so Adam Schiff said Do you think is there any possibility for accountability against Adam Schiff. I mean I suppose there is some but I wouldn't hold my breath. He done anything a legal throughout this whole process in terms of like making a charade out of it almost. Certainly yeah You know almost certainly but Again you know it's like this is a guy who is working in lockstep with the CIA and has been this whole time and those guys don't tend to Face as consequences. I mean maybe someday they will But I wouldn't bank on it happening anytime soon. Okay hold on Shit fucking Lewis Literally Tech Right now. The Shit freaks me out. Lewis's son has the flu and his tax debt. I'm starting to feel a little bit sick. I think I'll probably still be able to uh-huh skaggs do not come to have a baby and I do not need a flu to bring home. I may have just been hungry all right anyway. There's a moment of everybody takes me mentally book out too far. Sorry all right all right number one okay. So here's a quote from Adam. Schefter all right. This is a quote from his his one of his speeches on on the Senate trial is just as he made use of Secretary Clinton's hacked and released emails in the previous presidential campaign and that's a A quote so they're trying he's trying to connect trump to You know the the wikileaks dump and of course. This is as rich lowry points out here. He's like well if you can blame Donald Trump for this. Then you're also indicting. Everybody who reported on it. I mean you know Bernie. Sanders used it as well. You know like everybody kind of made a big deal about this and it also was legitimate the information so it's just this week argument of like I don't know to say like well. He made use of Russian hacking acking now by the way he also again like I say in rich. Lowry won't go this far. But I need to see some evidence that Russia was involved in the wikileaks dumps and I still have not been presented with any of that all right number two a quote from Adam Schiff in two thousand sixteen then candidate trump implored Russia shaw to hack his opponents emails. This is the one that they just won't give up on. Is that one time. Donald Trump at a press conference which is how nefarious in secret is activities was as a press conference. Donald Trump said you know this famous moment right where Donald Trump said Russia. If you're listening and you can find those remaining emails. They always try to remind you that he said Russia. If you're listening you know. There's this emails but they never finish off what he said. It's just like the Charlottesville Phil thing where they take everything he said they don't give you the context of it. But what did he actually say he said. I think you'll be handsomely rewarded by the press. Speaking being about the mainstream media he was basically like veil. Love it if you can find these fucking emails a thought crime of Donald Trump. Does I bet let the press would really reward you. He didn't say will reward you. It's just like of course and like anyone else like can you imagine. Do you think Hillary Clinton wouldn't have wanted dirt on Donald Trump. If she I thought the Russians would give it to her. Isn't this so ironic. Right that the whole steele dossier. The foundation of it turned out to all be bullshit but the idea was that they had these. The the claim the steele dossier was that they had these high level Russian officials who were telling you that Donald Trump was compromised by the Russians. So so it's okay to appeal to the Russians to get dirt on Donald Trump. We can investigate that for years. But Donald Trump appeals wants to the Russians dirt on Hillary Clinton and this can never be forgotten. And here's another one in pushing the Ukrainians on the discredited crowd strike theory Trump was quote attempting attempting to erased from history. His previous election misconduct again. The problem with this is that there was an investigation investigation into this and there was no election misconduct that that was uncovered. So it's again it's it's he's trying to make it out. Like trump was found and guilty of something by the Mueller investigation. But he wasn't n- everybody knows that number four Robert. Mueller testified that the Russians systematically interfered in our election to help elect donald trump that the campaign understood that and that they willfully made use of of that. Help The again the problem is that Robert Muller found no evidence of collusion. So you can say they. They made use of that help in some way but they found that there was nothing criminal about what they dead and again what the help was was true information. So this is this. This is all the stuff that Adam shift is invoking in order to try to convince you that we have to impeach Donald Trump. It's just very very weak. I go through a couple. More of these Aw after Muller catalogued Russian interference the very next day quote. President trump is on the phone with a different foreign power this time Ukraine trying to get Ukraine to interfere in the next election. So now again he's he's taking it almost by the way. This is not bad salesmanship. He's almost like just taking it as given that he interfered the last time and now he's right back on the phone with another country except the evidence wasn't that he interfered in any election that he did anything wrong. These there's no charges filed. There was no indictment and said that it wasn't just because he was president it was that they couldn't reach any conclusion on any of this stuff. So then the day. After his interfering with the Russians he's on the phone with the Ukrainians trying to get them to interfere. Well of course the weird thing there is that if you were claiming that he was in bed with the Russians why would he be jumping in bed with the Ukrainians trainings. Who are the enemy of the Russians? Who have been in conflict with them for years but also if you look at it in like in reality -ality it has a whole different feel to it? It's like Oh yeah. Soon as he was found not guilty on this investigation. He started asking people to investigate the origins of that investigation two now. It doesn't sound so crazy. Actually all kind of makes sense all right okay. So then he said at one point Trump believes a quote that under article two. He could do anything he wants now. This is referring to when Donald Trump said that under article two he could He could fire the special prosecutor and he did say that. And I think think he's right I think he could. I think that is a power that's delegated to the president that being said it probably would have been a bad political move and more importantly than that. He he didn't do you see. Isn't it interesting like if you just say under article two. He says he can do anything. And you're like well here for abuse of power. I mean yeah this guy saying he has a constitutional positional authority to do anything. But if you actually look at it it's like he didn't. He didn't fire Muller He let Muller Conduct his investigation and Muller found nothing. So now you're saying like a imagine it's like like your how much you're grasping at straws where you have to go well. This guy said he. He could do something that he didn't end up doing. And you're not even really arguing that he can't do it anyway. It goes on and on like this if you want to check it out. It's over at national auto the articles by a rich lowry. And it's time it's titled Fifteen flaws and Adam Chefs case and it just goes on and on and rich lowry. These national review guys. I mean you know say what you will about them but they they were like never trumpers for for a long time. These guys aren't like in the tank for For Donald Trump national view actually did a whole entire issue on any basically saying any body but trump donald trump can't be the nominee back in the election. And I'm just telling you it's like the these are this cases extraordinarily weak and I I think for that reason this this whole thing is going to backfire but anyway we will say we will say. I guess it's really just about like Mitt Romney to other fucking like liberal brawl corporatists. Senators aren't the only need to flip is three people. No I think they you know I'd have to read it at one point but I'd have to look that back up. I think they need a a little bit more than that. But they're Romney's easy flip. Will you know Romney Hates Donald. trumbull trump pulled the ultimate move on him. Romney was the biggest shit talker and trump said you know let. Why don't you be was secretary of state offered him? And then Romney Stop Talking Shit and interviewed for the job. Yeah went out to dinner. Shook his hand said I'd be honored honored to and then Donald Trump said we're gonna go different direction and it's like. Oh okay yeah so. That's exactly who you are fucking Alpha. Move just bitch that guy out just benched alleged amount but yeah it was also in every way also that that it was like you know. Then Mitt Romney came out and and which by the way I actually forgot about the other week I was spending the last episode I was asking? Is there anything that you could compare Hillary Clinton coming out and shitting on Bernie Sanders do. But that's comparison right. There is where Mitt Romney came out in the middle of the nomination process the previous nominee and said anybody but donald trump and it was just like like crickets like nobody gave a shit. Everybody was like yeah. Fuck you met. This is our guy and you know whether you like trump or don't like trumper Berg hate trump or whatever. There's something really interesting about that that you're like. Oh Wow the last nominee comes out and says this guy cannot be our nominee and nobody cared like it had no effect on them whatsoever. They were like no in fact. I think it actually bolstered his case and I think the same thing is happening with Bernie Sanders right now like I think that's another part of it when CNN see CNN trying to make him look bad and it's obvious that kind of like strengthens Bernie Sanders hand because it's like see the establishments fucking afraid of me and that's the same thing that happened with With Donald Trump. All right anyway. I guess we'll We'll see where where all of this goes all right so for the The rest of the The show I guess we. It'll probably take hopefully we we can. We can get through this but I did want to address that Because I felt like I. You know I talked about on the show before and You know It's A. It's a topic. I care about a lot but this a Guy Andrew Carne- over at the the principal libertarian. He wrote an article. I think you might've been out that episode that I that I talked about it but he wrote an article Responding to podcast I had done about immigration and then I went through it and kind of responded back to it and he wrote another Article Back and this one I have not read I read. I think the first two paragraphs of but I was thinking. We have some extra time on the show today. Maybe I'd read it and respond back to now full disclosure. I haven't read this whole thing so I'm going to go in fresh and go and open minded as well you I do. I find this this topic to be really interesting. And what the Libertarian position on immigration ought to be I am a guy who like I like it to get into these. Like you know. Libertarian artists thought experiments but I like to operate from first principles. And not just like you know from kind of consequentialist French lowest point of view. So I think it's interesting to talk about these things and there's a lot of debate amongst a lot of really good people who who in the liberty movement who feel differently on immigration So be interested to to take this on and I appreciate a Andrew. I think he's A. He's pretty straightforward with the arguments that he makes he keeps the articles fairly concise. Actually just scroll through this one so I'm not. Yeah okay reasonably concise. I was GONNA say that. And then you're sixteen pages. Oh Shit we're not gonNA get through this But anyway so the the article is over at Principled Libertarian Dot Com. And it's titled Dave Smith A reply to apply to a reply so this throw one more reply apply on there and that would be what we're doing now. Yeah it's pretty. It's pretty good all right. So let's read from the article in me and you can kind of give our thoughts on it all right. So Dave Smith recently took the time to respond to my La- last article which was a reply to an episode where he discussed immigration. My primary primary goal in the article was to show that some other value or principle besides simply upholding property. Rights should be acknowledged as part of libertarianism. I argued that wall. All Libertarians ought to be limited to only legal political questions. Property rights are not enough to cover every legal political issue a number of times. Dave expressed disagreement this agreement on this point he maintained that everything can be boiled down to upholding property rights. However I think he is really appealing to two separate values? It's okay fair enough Now just a I would say In there that it's not I was a property rights and the non aggression. Principle are to me the libertarian business. And everything gets deduced from there and that's not to say that Again like I don't want to repeat everything I said last time. But that's not to say that that describes every revalue you have in life but that is what libertarianism is about so you know. That's it's a legal moral legal theory. It's the idea of of what the law ought to be And yes that is what I like. I still believe I. I don't think there are other values. That are a part of libertarianism Azzam. Now that is an and it's hard to kind of separate this. Sometimes that doesn't mean that Libertarians. Don't care about other values and that doesn't mean that. Libertarians should care about other values for example right libertarians. I think it would not only be reasonable but absolutely preferable for Libertarians to care about families. Play something like that. Like I think it's good idea for Libertarians. To care about people people being raised well by their families now. That is completely separate from libertarianism. But if you got a bunch of kids who aren't taken taken care of What are the odds as a bunch of kids that aren't taking care of aren't educated? Aren't raised right. What's the odds that you're really going to have a peaceful society where people aren't demanding demanding welfare and things like that? You know what I mean so you could say there are these other values that would help support this legal order or help support a libertarian society. But but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's part of the law or a part of libertarianism. Okay back to the article Dave explains that when there is not not private property due to government imposed public property. We should support less initiation of violence against peaceful people or a policy that is closer to how it might work. Work private property based system Dave contends both still come from property rights and the non aggression principle in a sense they do but surely he would admit there is a distinction between non not aggressing against people and supporting policies that we predict a private owner might enforce after all all these two things have plenty of potential conflict. It is only the fact. That a private owner legitimately owns land. That makes enforcement of his rules. Not Aggressive These are really two separate values. That Dave is appealing to so. Yeah look I'm not like I'm not saying saying there's nothing to that. Yes if there is a government involved. It's not going to be perfectly libertarian. But if Libertarian. If if you're going to say what should libertarian. Think that we ought to do. All the government is involved in a certain area. Well the number one thing we wanna do is abolish the government. Get the government out of the area area. That's obviously the ultimate goal. Short of that we would probably prefer something. That's closer to that situation so I don't think these are two different values it's like there's a north star and I'd like to. I'd like to move in that direction so if I am you know. Let's say whatever your end goal goal is one hundred feet away if I'm saying let's move fifty feet in that direction. It's still motivated by what the end goal is just like an obvious example of this if the current tax rate is thirty five percent for people making whatever like one hundred thousand dollars a year. Let's just say it's thirty. Five percent is their federal income taxes. And there's a proposal to reduce that to fifteen percent. I might say well. I think we should abolish the income tax altogether but I would also be four reducing it to fifteen percent because that is closer to the goal the and there will be less initiation. She ation violence. Like they'll be less theft at fifteen percent. Then there is at thirty five percent and then you could also make a bunch of like practical arguments for for why this will be better for the economy and things like that but yes I would still support that. And that's not appealing to something separate from wanting to abolish the income tax the same principles symbols that make you want to abolish the income tax. Would make you want to reduce its burden. All right so That's my my first response. Okay predictions for one thing. We can't really know what private owners would do. This is part of the reason. The markets are so important. We need those private actors with their decentralized knowledge operating with the feedback of profit and loss in order to allocate resources effectively so this the principle is problematic to begin with on the one hand to suggest as Rothbart does that open borders really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state contradicts the the evidence. We have and economic reasoning regarding discrimination. If Dave does want to embrace the principles of mirroring predicted private property owners decision decision in regard to government immigration policy open borders seems to be a close A close approximation. Okay so there's basically two arguments that he's making in there one. I completely agree with one. I don't that you can predict how things would work in a free market. But that's hard to do and we don't exactly know you know how they're going to workout. I completely agree with that. And that's why you'd want a free market and we'll figure it out. This is a major major problem with central planning. But if we're already conceding that the government's involved so what do we want to do with this either away were predicting we don't fucking no and yes. It would be way better now to predict that there would be open borders. I do not think that that is is accurate but but maybe we can get into that. Because I think he's about to make his His case for why We we would predict that. Do think right like in some of the examples I used before. You're it's fairly reasonable to predict you know like in the direction of what you think this would look like So like I I said before and I'm going to keep coming back to this example because I think it is an important one not that. It's the perfect comparison to immigration. But again if you were to say whether like a public school and should we allow anyone to wander into the public school whenever they want to know sorry. I think it's perfectly reasonable for libertarian. To say no and I think it's fair to predict that if this was a private school they would not let someone just enter. Start shooting up heroin in the middle of a classroom. I'm basing that off every single private school that exists so I think there's a pretty strong argument that being said. I guess you're right. I don't technically know that for sure. I don't know that there wouldn't be a private school. Whose policy was open borders? Now that being said I my guesses nobody would send their children there and that school would go out of business. But even that's you. Don't I know for sure that there wouldn't be some crazy people like now. Obviously I'm using an extreme example but I'm just saying I still think in that case it's reasonable to say well probably wouldn't work like this a private society and it's going to be a fucking disaster if we do it. So maybe there's an argument to not doing it okay. The one made backs the article. The one major factor that presumably encourages more migration than there otherwise would be as welfare but there are many other things that would encourage. More `immigration into a Libertarian Society. Even now it's impossible to ignore that way. The wages immigrants from underdeveloped countries increased dramatically when they move Mexicans with similar work experience and education average. Two hundred fifty percent higher real wages merely by residing in the US For or Bolivia and Ecuador Fivefold Increases Haitians experience of one thousand percent gain some African countries like Egypt and Nigeria are even higher Combined buying this with the fact that foreign born Foreign born have a relatively high labor force participation rate of the especially foreign born men Seventy seven point nine percent for sixty seven point three percent for native born men and it seems likely or it seems like the tremendously higher compensation in the US. This would be an important motivation for migrants. The other stark difference between the United States and many South American countries is the rate of violent crime. On average average immigrants from Mexico decrease the chance of being murdered by eighty percent. Some countries are more than that. Okay so look look. There's no question that I think that's that's true. There's like there's no argument here that you're going to live a wealthier life if you come to America than if you stay in a third world country and there is a lot of the immigration that's motivated by that and quite possibly that incentive would still exist. But it's not ought just as simple as saying. Oh we have this giant welfare state and also people can make way higher wages. So wouldn't that attract like like wouldn't more people come or wouldn't a lot of people still come if there wasn't the welfare state or something like that or is welfare not really the magnet here. The point is that you get different people with different magnets. Okay so yes if you have like this this is just basic incentives right but if you have a welfare state you will draw in more people who want welfare than you would if you didn't have a welfare state that's it's like a basic necessities a priori deduction okay so yeah that's so that's a problem. We wouldn't be drawing people like that if you have a free society eighty with no welfare state. You're going to draw in more people who wanna work and contribute if you have a not free society with a welfare state you will draw more people who want to get on welfare so this is a major problem glum all people. Aren't the same and it's going to be a different type of person who gets drawn then again not to say that. We're not drawing in a lot of good people who want to work but we also also have this giant welfare state. That is a reality. If we're talking about government policy within an area where government is already intervening you have to deal with the facts on the ground and Yes but yes. There's much violence. There's much more money to be made in America completely agree with all of that Back to the article. I think it's safe to say libertarians ends agree that without without local NIMBY ISM rents would be lower without all of the numerous interventions in the economy including an inflationary currency real wages would be higher and with fully privatized security and criminal justice crime rates would be lower an MBA. You know I'm not sure I'd have to look that up but I have a feeling it's referring to like zoning laws and regulation in the housing market I. I'm actually not sure I think I've heard it before though if true. Then high wages and low crime become even more pronounced as motivations for immigration further. Imagine how much more appealing the. US becomes if there was actually a free market in health care housing education and every other industry. Yeah so I think the flaw in this line of thinking is and I certainly agree with a lot of that but that's like saying imagine so imagine. Is All these libertarian. Policies would make things a lot better therefore more and more people would wanNA come right Okay so making things better Lou visible enjoy specific cases such there without for social benefits. Human beings are a form of capital. So if you're attracting acting people that's generally speaking a good thing if all industries are running and you have a totally free market and there isn't like you know there aren't social benefits where you're forced taxation to give benefits these people so if they want to show up in their industries that WANNA use them because there are a good source of labor. That's a win for everybody. But that's not where we're discussing. Well no but I also think that I agree with you but I also think there's another piece that we're missing if you're saying that this is that these libertarian. Policies are going to make us richer safer better. Wages will be higher and I think he correctly said real wages not nominal. But like we didn't have this inflationary policy so like crime is going to be lower. Wages ages are going to be higher. We will be wealthier and more successful and therefore that will draw in more people who are more people who want will want to live there absolutely true but that's not the whole story so let's take a look at somewhere where people are really successful. They're really rich. There's really low crime. There's people are making money me and shit like that sake take beverly hills or something like that. Well okay lots of people WANNA move to Beverly Hills. Lots of people would like to live there but I don't don't see a mass flood of Third World Immigrants Piling in there because there's also measures to keep them out. There is also gated communities. He is and fucking now. You can argue that the cost of living would be lower but the truth is the nicer areas. Get that's where it's going to be more expensive. So that's a market force and the other market market forces that people don't have to let you in and my guess is if we're actually looking at human beings in the way human beings work. Do you think that like just be honest. This might be a little uncomfortable. Talk to talk about but do you think areas that are really really successful. Tend to like bring in huge numbers of migrants from Third World countries. I think those areas usually aren't where they're going to end up going. That's not to say there wouldn't be other areas where they would go. You see the market can do both like my honest. Guess is that in an anarchist capitalist society and and I can see. We don't know you'd have to run the experiment and find out exactly how it would work. I know it would be the best possible solution and the most ethical ethical one But I think there would be some areas where a lot of people were welcome in and others where they were very exclusive. And you know didn't let people in that'd be my yes okay So hold on okay. this still backs the article. This still opens the possibility that property owners could exclude foreigners. Sure some might. I agree with Dave that residential areas would probably be more restrictive while commercial areas would be more open. The most important question though is what owners of major roadways would do as long as major your highways allow foreigners to travel then an immigrant might than an immigrant will have access to countless private businesses and housing units of which at least some will undoubtedly be willing to engage in mutual transactions So okay I mean. I don't necessarily disagree with that. Lake Right. Some would be willing to engage the pro- the problem is that right now. They're all forced to right. So that's that that's kind of the issue and also if you're being honest about this it's like right so they're not going into Beverley hills. They're they're not there because just the price of admission kind of keeps them out there so they end up going into is a lot of these poorer residential communities and then they attend the public schools. That those those people You know their kids attend their public schools. They've got English as a second language. And all this stuff and like those people aren't happy about it because they the state has disarmed them against having any means of protecting their own neighborhoods and cultures or whatever they want you. You know which the libertarian ethic is more or less both parties should be consenting to any interaction or any association Discrimination is costly. It's difficult to imagine. A profit seeking firm that manages a high highway discriminating based on country of origin origin discrimination and businesses. Costly and the enforcement of discrimination a highway that did screen for nationalities would tend to be out competed by others. That did did not the former not only would need to invest in more enforcement mechanisms but they would also lose revenue due to excluding a significant number of customers even in the post reconstruction south when the culture of racism was endemic. There was widespread opposition to segregation laws by businesses just as rascals needed to utilize the power or of government force Excuse me just as racist needed to utilize the power of a funny thing. Call races skills Just as racist needed to utilize the power of government force to impose discrimination the exclusion of Immigrants from the country required the same top down force while there is some cultural oppositions immigrants it does not come close to the racism present then again. Plenty of property owners could still exclude foreigners but as long as some don't the result would be similar to open government. Borders were generally speaking immigrants would be allowed on roadways on trains on airports and and able to travel To private property whose owners welcome them. Okay I don't disagree with this right like I. I don't really disagree that. Yes in a libertarian society. Probably you wouldn't you wouldn't have government borders. There would be lots of areas that were like open to the public and then there would be some that are not the problem and this is the point. Rothbart was making. Is that when you have government running the borders government running the roads. It's government running the schools government running the welfare state all of its open to them which is a compulsory opening so that's also in initiation of violence wants so it's kind of like it's a compulsory closing or a compulsory opening. That's the idea and to say that opening is closer to the libertarian solution. Well no I mean you're just is pointing out the areas where opening would be closer so you point out the idea that segregation is bad for business. Discrimination is bad for business well fair enough. I mean that's true. In many many instances not all but in many it is so in many instances right if you're a lunch counter and you're you're serving hamburgers and there's a whites only sign out there. There's some black guy who's like I'd like to buy a hamburger from you. Here's my money and you're like no because you're black. I won't take your money. Well obviously. That's not good for business in that sense and the you know like whatever this if somebody else is willing to take that money superficially while they're getting more money they're getting more business business however I think you're a little bit defeated there by your own argument where you kind of say. Well we don't know how the market would work right. We don't know how market well we'll maybe if if there really was a racist culture it. It's possible that you could see it. Actually being bad for business to like if there's a group of people people who don't want to be integrated and you're like well. This lunch counter takes everybody and I'll take black or white people's money and maybe there's a group of people who are like no I don't I don't WanNa WanNa go to a restaurant where there's black people I'm just saying I don't know but I tend to think you're right in that situation. I tend to think that the market solves most of these problems. It at least shows you who the biggest are and usually. They'll be out competed in examples like that four enforcing segregated business spaces however offer to say that Sarah Gatien is just a state enforced policy. I think is a little bit misleading and and and inaccurate. Okay so yes you can look to. Examples of state enforced segregation that was horrific. And really just just you know terrible and you know compulsory segregation is horrible I think compulsory integration. Asian is terrible to people should be allowed to self organize and associate with who they want to but when they are allowed to do that you actually do see a lot a lot of segregation like a lot. I mean like New York City here where we live in. It's not you know as as blatant as it used to be but you know there are these areas like Chinatown Little Italy. Like there's all of these different little quadrants where different ethnicities go and live or nationalities or whatever going Oh and live around people of the same nationality and it's not because the government enforced that it's not because there was this was not a top-down phenomenon this bottom up up that people wanted to associate where they wanted to associate and if you look at just about every area of life not just economic. You're bit you're right. That business is more where you find the integration because people care about making money but if you look at where people go to churches and temples if you look at where the neighborhoods people live in and there's still a whole lot of segregation and it's not so clear to me that there wouldn't be a lot of that in a free society I think by your own argument. We could at least say we don't really know we're not. We're not completely sure. Okay finally Dave. Dave says our last requirement for choosing government policy is that it shouldn't be a quote fucking disaster agreed. This is more or less what I meant by. Libertarians should generally support as little government regulation as possible. Yes a heroin addict in a classroom seems like a disaster foreigners in the country do not for starters. Immigration creates jobs by extending the division of labor and increasing consumer demand. This paper estimate Estimated each immigrant creates. It's one point two local jobs for local workers and even Immigration critics recognized immigrants re raise real wages of of natives by around point two percent and increase economic output by about thirty six billion in the year. Two Thousand Ten O. Okay so the argument comes down and what you seem to have conceded here is that we can make our decision based on what we think. We'll be to use my term a fucking disaster but of course that is now this is like I said and I was making the point myself. This is fairly early vague. And so what about Now you just wonder where you can push this principle to. Can you say it. Like if it's a fucking disaster star. What if it's very likely going to be a disaster? What if it's very likely just going to be really really bad and have really bad consequences? Okay okay so now you can say that there's a lot of things about the freedom you know free movement of people that That is economically beneficial. I don't deny that absolutely a lot of it is economically beneficial. There's no question about that and you can find papers to back that up and stuff like that. How about voting patterns is that economically beneficial? Is it economically beneficial when the Democrats Take Texas. Now I don't know I mean look. The Republicans are pretty bad. They deserve to fuck in. You know get destroyed and and the Democrats are you know like I obviously bad too. But I'm just saying. Is it possible that you know that's going to have some pretty bad effects. Certainly seems like a strong possibility to me. Is it possible. Double that bringing in a million people a year A million people a year. Many of whom You know go go on Welfare Many of whom burn the system. Not Saying all not even saying most not saying even more to Then add to the system right. But that's not the point alone so if we're bringing in all of these people let let's even say like so we bring in a million people a year about ninety percent of them are from the third world. And and then there's you know tens of thousands hundreds of thousands more come in illegally. We really don't fucking know what the number is but there's tens of millions of illegal immigrants here in the country and thor's thor's just millions and millions and millions of people who legally immigrated into the country let's say ninety percent of them contribute to society let's say of of the legal immigrants ninety percent of them get jobs contribute to society. Don't take a dime on welfare. Ten percents of going welfare and don't contribute to society so one hundred thousand a year of people who are just on welfare is does. Can that have some problems. All the only point I'm trying to make an is the only point I've been trying to make from the beginning that it's not not as clear cut as the open borders advocates. Try to make it out to be and that's really been the heart of this issue all right. Let's let's keep reading Dave's primary fear seems to be the potential votes of immigrants. That's true judging by our current immigration views. This fear is overblown first generation. Asian migrants answer to questions about taxation levels welfare spending and government aid to the poor are statistically insignificant compared to later generations. Perhaps this is due to what Bryan Caplan calls status quo basis Status Quo bias. Most people don't like to rock the boat. Regardless cordless emigrants vote at much lower levels than native-borns anyway legal immigrants vote around ten percent less often. The natives while illegal migrants vote at very low levels if voting Democrat is what bothers you. Immigrants have favored different political parties throughout the years so that is not a permanent fact right but but when and what immigrants favored which party you got to look into that a little bit. I'm sorry the reality Allie of the situation is that if Donald Trump were to carry twenty percent of the Latino vote in America it would be a home run for him okay. They're voting in best case scenario. They're voting parades. Well yeah probably but at least eighty percent of them Are GonNA end up voting for the Democrats and you can see this effect in California in places like that. There's also if you WANNA look into it. There's a lot of studies that have been done on illegal. Immigrants Emigrants Voting There's there's one major study that that seems to show that Al Franken won his seat in Minnesota because of illegals voting and that was that was determining the determining vote for obamacare. Yes so this is like a real life consequence now. I don't know if this meets our fucking disaster. Mr Level but obamacare is not having obamacare. That's a really big difference. But that's a tangible real difference in less freedom in the economy and in people's lives so I just you know I think it's it's complicated. grabber elected you're okay with that. Yeah that's right a Jewish. Actually my my favorite thing about him. So don't don't ruin that for me. problems can arise immigration as far from a disaster faster and I think the burden of proof rests on whoever thinks that it will be such a disaster that we need government intervention so far. I'm not convinced further It's mirroring zero. Earning what private property owners would do privatize society is our goal. It appears that open borders would be more accurate again. It's not really really true. It's not open borders. Wouldn't be more accurate. Actually it would be a probably lots of open borders and lots of completely closed off borders. And that's next to impossible to completely mirror in a in a society where the government runs the borders. But let me just say and this is one of the things that bothers me right. It's not and I appreciate Andrew. I think he's being honest and straightforward in his arguments. And I think there's a lot of a lot of truth to a lot of what he's saying. It's not that's why I am. Also I wouldn't just come out for closed borders and I've I've never done that. I'm just saying that to me. They're almost they're almost equally. Reasonable from a libertarian perspective. It's also won't be for open borders. There's got to be some type of system in place and I've said for a while I think localizing immigration controls You know Voter ID laws laws In invite you know policy where you sponsorship policy I think all of these are fairly reasonable libertarian compromises but just just when you say well the onus is on you if you want more government intervention it's like look. I am not advocating for more government intervention. That's not what what I'm advocating. For and in fact if there was a complete closing of the border like wall was built you could argue. That's far less government intervention. It's not government rounding people up all the time. It's not government doing like so many you would eliminate the need to have this like like border constitution free zones that expand that extend like one hundred miles into the country. It may I think in many ways it might be much less government intervention but it's just it it Turks me when people go well. The owners ZANU argue for more government intervention. The whole reason. I'm thinking about this issue is because I want less government intervention. The whole idea is is is bringing in a voting bloc for the Democratic Party which I really think is hard to deny that you can say immigrants. Yes you're right. When like fucking German emigrants were coming over in the nineteen twenties? Maybe they weren't all voting for the Democrats or maybe they were But the point is like the voters that were bringing in right. Now Latino South American voters coming in bloc voting for the Democrats and that's why the Democrats are all about fucking bringing in more immigrants. That's you know what I mean. This is I think fairly straightforward straightforward. The question is is that going to lead to a lot more government intervention and that's the concern and so if they're raising raising native wages by point zero two percent or whatever which is true. I don't know but even if that's true is that worth giving the party of Ao see and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren the country. And that seems like That because that to me does smell a lot like a fucking disaster and again it's not that the Republicans are great they're pretty damn bad. And truthfully speaking about eighty percent of the Republicans the establishment eighty percent are basically no different than the establishment eighty percent end of the Democrats. But I don't think it's unfair for a libertarians like we're not exactly a gala -Tarian here right like we don't have to believe in this bullshit thing it's like if you have two political parties. There's no reason to assume that they're both equally exactly the same level of bad and if you look at say the the radicals in the Republican Party it. Is You know Rand Paul Mike. -Ly Thomas Massie. Justin Amash like the best people are all on the Republican side and the the fringes which are becoming kind of the mainstream of the Democratic Party are the AFC's Ilhan on Omar's fucking Bernie Sanders Elizabeth. Warren like those worn isn't really fringe but though that's kind of coming from that party so forgive me if I worry about giving that party thirty every National Office freaks me out a little bit and I think it could be very very bad. Anyway I appreciate Reshat Andrew Responding and you know maybe we'll we'll leave it at that I think he's he's made his points and we've made ours all right. That's all for today. Don't forget come see he. Me and ROB It's possible that there's a couple tickets still less often sold out. Definitely one hundred percents. Yeah you were too late. We're going to be back there. It's ridiculous four four seats open and we said that no I confirmed last week shows and I said No. We're not adding no show. We could these people late with their tickets. Thurgau thirlby on time the next time all right so so anyway February twenty first live podcast live comedy mighty show was the name of the spot again. I don't remember all right. I'll tweet it out. 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John Bolton Roils the Senate Impeachment Trial

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John Bolton Roils the Senate Impeachment Trial

"What lies ahead for our planet find out on an extraordinary trip with the Wall Street Journal and National Geographic Expeditions Book now at Nat? GO EXPEDITIONS ADDITIONS DOT COM SLASH WSJ or call. Eight eight eight two. Oh five five six two one from from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal this is Potomac watch the president's lawyers mount their impeachment defense at the Senate trial while a report about the contents intense of former aide John Bolton's book increases the chances that witnesses will be called at the trial. Welcome I'm Paul Zhigo with the Wall Street Journal here with Bill mcgurn. Hey Bill Hypo and Kim Strassel. Hey Kim Hi Paul well just when you think impeachment enjoyment is winding down. They drag me back in the bill and Cam. We've got The big story had the people in the president's defense lawyers had made their case Over two hours on Saturday. We're hoping to wrap it up Monday and Tuesday maybe Going a little bit into Wednesday day instead of the New York Times Broke the story of what Some of the contents are in John. Bolton's memoir of his time in the trump administration station the John Bulletin Now there's a battle over who leaked what John Bolton and his publisher say. They didn't do it. I've known on John Bolton a longtime I believe him on that point on the other hand It was submitted. The book was submitted to the White House for security clearance errant screening as bill. You know has to happen from any book that when you're right about the White House on I for security reasons national security already reasons And that may be the source of the leak. We don't know could be also have come from his publisher or somebody who else had seen the the manuscript however it leak It's now royal the trial and This is increase the incentive for Republicans to who had been on the fence on witnesses some of them to call for Bolton to testify if only because they're worried that what happens if they have a trial without calling witnesses bill and then John Turns out the John Bolton says something that incriminates trump or is bad for trump And then it'll play into the hands of the Democrats who've been charging cover up you will. I think that's the that's the game plan here. Look looking at what John is alleged to have said. The time story didn't directly quote from the Book Right now. I think it to them right. Ascribe to the by people familiar with the book and You know he says. The president had conversations with them about holding up the military aid. I don't think it's an impeachable offense. Even if he said that I think Bolton's likely to say that himself he might settle. Some scores was Rudy Guiliani. I will say I've known John Longtime I'm a little disappointed in his someone that has taken the oath and worked on that side. I mean the book comic book deal complicates hates things. So you're disappointed in what. I'm disappointed that he'd write a book with these key right now and capitalize you know lot of capitalize on his service on his service in this way now granted. He wasn't treated very well by president. Trump dismissed in a pretty brutal Way It's just I wouldn't have done it and you know his chief of Staff Fred flights another good guy. I've known for many years a decent man. He eats a little disappointed to. I'm with you. I don't believe that John leak this and the sort of some of the allegations nations by trump supporters that it was a coma esque kind of operation but It still comes down to a you know an eleventh hour. CAVENAUGH esque type of thing thing to throw. You know A screwdriver into the works the leak. Coming Ron. Just when the president's lawyers are trying in the middle of their case right heading towards what was a likely vote not to call it rises and then an upper downfall. I think that looked likely on Saturday. Raise reasonably Saturday. That's with the bet would have been trending that way now. All those bets are off so Kim I are those bets off and What what are the likelihood that what's likely to happen as we as we go forward here while the dynamic has certainly changed and from what? I'm hearing there. Where is the Group of Republicans who had always been more inclined to vote toward calling witnesses and that was a handful up until this news broke? I am probably not enough to you know to get a majority that the Democrats needed so. You're talking of people. Like Mitt Romney Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski but after this. I think that there's a a handful more that now. Feel some pressure. They don't necessarily want to be opposed. Seeing seemed to be opposed to the president's interests Politically that's a tough place for them to be. But it's also politically tough now in the states that they represent or just because of the people that they are to to not desire something in terms of witnesses and these are folks like Rob Portman. Maybe Pat Toomey Folks like that. They haven't come out publicly said anything. I'm just making sort of surmises hair from reporting yeah well. Pat Toomey has been reported that he's the Pennsylvania senator and some an and something of an independent very economically conservative conservatives senator but he's also an independent minded senator and he had said the he he was reported to have said at the Republican Conference meeting in the Senate that he closed door meeting that he proposed a one for one trade on witnesses. Okay if you'RE GONNA call John Bolton then we get to call somebody whether it's Adam Schiff or hunter Biden And that's been Floated by some others Along the way then you have But but that complicates things as well because if you if the Republican say okay. We'll be one for one. Maybe the Democrats don't want to go there and then And then what happens there. Do you get a standoff or do you have to have when it comes to the actual votes is going to be so uncertain. How although vote that you could end up with maybe just calling Bolton alone well and you're also hearing a lot of discussions now again behind the scenes about the nature of any testimony so not just who would be called but under what circumstances would senators here from them so right now under the rules? What's that we're already voted by the Senate if any additional witnesses are called it is required that they I be deposed meaning that they said in some room somewhere and answer questions Russians from lawyers presumably in secret in secret right and then the question would be how is that material presented the two The Senate and what can they do with it. So presumably they would always get a written transcript of the deposition but then do you bring the witnesses in to. We do a public hearing or rather do allow senators to ask follow along written questions of them. These are all different Things that are being talked about negotiated not just within Republican circles but I'm apparently it already between Republicans and Democrats just as they searched for a way forward award here. Yeah very much complicate things And back to Bolton for a minute I agree with bill a bill that even if the everything that the Times reports about what Bolton has written in the book is true it does not fundamentally only from my point of view change whether this is an impeachable offense I I you know. Let's say that I mean the most damning quote unquote thing that He he is alleged to have written. Is that trump had a conversation with Bolton in which he said well I do want to withhold aid to Ukraine until they have an investigation nation. That's the sort of a direct linkage. That hasn't been proven so far by any of the other witnesses and But let's say that's true. I've actually thought that that was the case for a long time I mean it's very clear. The president wanted to withhold the. It's very clear that he wanted to have an invest Ukraine announce an investigation. And the what's unclear is the degree who has Ukraine understood that connection and there's really not a lot of evidence that they did Certainly not until really late in the game and then shortly the that is in late August. Nice to win political reported that The deny that the eight had been delayed and then after that trump changed his mind fairly rapidly. I think what Timber Eleventh And the aid was released There was no investigation announced and Zielinski the president of Ukraine God. His meeting meeting in In New York with trump which he had been hoping for so the ultimately no crime was committed. There was no so I mean everything that trump is accused of didn't happen other than it was in his mind that it did so. You're so in my view it's is not doesn't add up to an impeachable offense and so I don't it doesn't from my point of view I would like to see. Now John Bolton actually tell the American people what he's right written in the book just to have this out there since it's already written Give the senator some assurance that there's not some big surprise there and and and and just let it all hang out. Well well pod say two things one on what you just laid out you know. I believe Journal's editorial position from the beginning is that would have been the president stronger to fence not to get into fact who remembers this conversation. But even if you did this I have. This is not. It's not an impeachable offense. I think now they've been pushed back on that defense and so I'm sure we'll hear a little more As opposed to the fact that the phone call was perfect perfect. No one did anything on toward and so forth so I think that had he taken that stronger line that line from the beginning that that I think the Wall Street Journal encouraged this wouldn't be a ripple there I I think at this point. We'll we'll we'll definitely be hearing from John. Bolton is one way or another you but I do think I do think that there's something lost here. I think there was something lost in the house. The Way Nancy Pelosi locie one about this impeachment. The defense laid that out yesterday without a vote launched think very dubious constitutionality of how she proceeded. And now we have We we have the Senate taking up This work and we have You know if executive privileges to mean anything if just because you publish a book book Is that GONNA moot point. I think at this point it is because because the political realities but that I think we lose something what you're talking about the fact that trump trump has said he would claim executive privilege out Biden's testimony right but now but now if we're only get around. John has it in his book. And then they're either going to subpoena the seems to me. Also this talk about subpoenaing the book they could well do that. I D. I don't think they could do that without depicting him as well. Because because they'll be questions raised about what he exactly meant. It will won't be completely clear. They'll people on each side will have follow up questions. All right. We're talking about the the Peterson trial of president. Trump John Bolton and you're listening to Potomac Watch from the Wall Street Journal capital one knows. Life doesn't alert you about your credit card. And that's why they've created iino the capital one assistant the catches things that might look wrong with your credit card. No catches over tipping duplicate. Charges or potential anti-fraud then sends an alert to your phone and helps you fix it. It's another way capital. One is watching out for your money when you're not capital one. What's in your wallet? It seek capital one dot com for details from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal. This this is the Tomac Watch. Welcome back I'm Paul Zhigo with Kim Strassel and Bill mcgurn Kim you. Do you agree with bill that John Bolton I made a bad mistake in in writing this book as he has in throwing it into the mix of the presidential campaign and impeachment he. I guess I'd take a slightly different view on it in that I mean I think it probably would have been better. If John Bolton had not written a book especially immediately coming coming out of this and in light of the fact that Democrats were circling on this question of Ukraine. That being said I think what happened and with John Bolton's book and the fact that this was leaked was inevitable. Okay like and it wasn't jumbled team that did it but everyone should have understood that this was always in the works and wrote it. It was going to be leaked. It was GONNA be leaked and given the entire way that this impeachment circus this has rolled it was going to be leaked at an opportune time designed to import maximum pressure In on behalf of Democrats it's to force people to call witnesses so I mean you could have seen this coming easily a week ago or or longer ago. Now one thing that I would note in just I think it's a very important thing that's been a little bit overlooked in. All of the discussion about witnesses goes to your point about what does it matter and while it certainly matters in terms of how long this event goes on And you have not what you have not seen. As a single Republican even come close to suggesting make change their mind on the question of quill right. That has not moved at all. Well I'll tell you a story that I was told by a A More in sorrow than anger somebody who has actually known John Bolton for many many years and respected him and is dismayed by at this turn of events in writing the book because and said go attributed to the decline of honor And that's pretty much direct quote in in Washington now when you serve and he compared The the what happens now so often with presidential aides when they leave service I and tell all a cockatoo. What Dean Aitchison did? Of course Atcheson was most famous as Harry Truman Secretary of state but before that he had served Roosevelt Roosevelt as a as a official in the Treasury Department had disagreed with him about going on the Goltz off the gold standard in Roosevelt at fired. Him and Atchison Jackson was asked by some reporter. Well what What what What happened? He said what you're going to have to ask the president And never never spoke publicly about what had happened. And Roosevelt had taken that lesson and the fact that Atchison had actually behaved honourably and then rehired him later for a job at St As as assistant secretary and then of course he moved up under under Truman And that contrast with that way the of behaving when you're fired or lose your job with you know John Now John Bolton and so many others frankly clearly barely Leaving Office and sitting down and getting a book contract. We'll pull more recently. We had Jim Mattis resigned. Signed but was kind of on the outs with trump right President trump has called him a terrible general or something like that after so he wasn't treated that well you know but he I think. He responded very honorably in his book about leadership he obviously putting off. Woody will say until later having been on that side of the worked in the White House with the top security clearance with the president. You hear a lot of things not just from the president for Farrah other people when they're relaxed and so forth and I think it's really unfair her to use as an. I knew people that went there just to write a book right to gather information other people. I think that you should. You can take some comfort that I think this is a bad that thing Not just at the White House but writing former colleague because every just human nature you see people at their best and they're worse than I I. I think we couldn't function if every one's worst moment is is put out to the public the chemicals the Bolton the news Essentially overpowering The president's lawyers defenses They've been making that defense. They got two hours on Saturday a unencumbered but now I mean the Monday arguments essentially Vanished into the ether for the most part because everybody was paying attention to Bolton And that's another way in which this is muddying the the the trial you did listen to the Monday arguments At length what did do you want. What what impressed you the most or or what did not impress you? Yes that's why it's a shame that this bolt news came out because they actually have done a very good good job. I think down in the time they've had on the floor so shorter presentation than Democrats provided but That's in part because it's I I think pretty well thought out. And not as repetitious as Democrats and what you seen them do was bring out a string of different lawyers. Who all made different parts of their case and some of the most persuasive ones you heard Ken Starr the former prosecutor. Common give a very good presentation on the history of impeachment impeachment and why this is being used in ways that it never has before and why that's problematic. Are you at number of lawyers. Point out simply the facts That really do undercut of the Democrats case for instance and this goes to your point about whether this rises to an impeachable offense they. They presented a lot of evidence pointing out that the president had numerous reasons for why he was withholding aid One of them things among them the things he mentioned engined on that telephone call for instance his concern that the rest of the NATO countries were not providing an equivalent or reasonable amount of money to Ukraine by comparison in the United States and they have emails showing members of the White House. Asking questions about this well before that telephone calls so I think those were all quite persuasive wasted as well as the the bit on Hunter Biden and the legitimacy of asking about the corruption of Barista whether anyone remembers any of this at the end. Well that's another another question on the point about whether what The Ukraine episode was whether it was impeachable or not. I was impressed with the with Dershowitz the Alan Dershowitz the Harvard professor who made a constitutional argument and rent through some of the much of the history where the founders were talking being about What was impeachable or not in the standard that they tried to to to set for For impeachment and in particular. He talked about the house. Managers Abuse of power Article of impeachment which rests not on impeachable acts per se but on the fact that the house managers say that the president had corrupt motives for what he did and divining inferring that he wanted corrupt He wanted the the he did to do. These things be to benefit him personally. Because because his motives were corrupt and Dershowitz made a strong case that actually the acts themselves have to be impeachable. That is they have to somehow violate his constitutional authority exceed that constitutional authority in a blatant fashion or violate some law That what is stipulated That is in actual black letter law. you can't just say well we think he. We abused his power because we believe his motives were corrupt. Because of course as Dershowitz pointed out And we've noted in editorials When you are for in the political opposition you basically assume the other guys voters are often corrupt? And can you impeach somebody because you think he's acting in blatant self interest as opposed to the national interest right now. I thought actually to your point that yesterday was a good day for the trump defense on substance. These arguments are very serious. I agree with you. Alan Dershowitz made a very strong case. He's been making that case For Wealth Pity that the substantive constitutional questions are really just getting overridden ridden by this. You Know Kevin ask kind of dropping of Of A bomb into the the late time thing but I think also saying that if you go down down this route this is not good for a lot of you know. We're we'RE GOING TO ASSUME KRUPP motives and that that's going to be enough. I mean the good news is is much as Mrs Pelosi does. He tried to disregard the Constitution and so forth and her process. It's still very hard to remove. President meaning overturning election. No one's has been actually removed in our history more frequent Talk of impeachment and impeachments in the last couple of decades but we still have that sixty seven vote area in the in the designed wisely. So right but I think the point is that maybe house impeachments will become a lot more right which would be sad. Yeah become come a kind of form of censure right Just sort of we need to end this in on that point. I think the House has legitimate complaints about its authority not necessarily just with Donald trump up. But I think the house is allowed a lot of it's legitimate constitutional powers to atrophy particularly its contempt. Find contempt findings me. Nothing today. I mean and I thought that they they should have put Lois Lerner in the pokey until she talked with the IRS. She she was involved in the scandal and so so forth and not doing that. Means that Yes you get some bad stories you've been held in contempt but nothing really happens. Kim Of course to go back to the passions of the moment assay Alexander. Hamilton said about impeachments The the Democrats are using the charge of cover up to To try to I think set themselves up both to coax witnesses but also if Republicans don't call witnesses to set themselves up for an argument from here to the November election saying that The Republican Senate covered up for the president. That's why you need a democratic Senate and I think that is the single argument that most frightens Senate Republicans publicans and maybe what leads them to call Bolton in the end that is certainly what is driving this renewed Worry about whether or not you you bring them in because right Up until now I think the the cover-up claim you know it. It was sort of a very nakedly political one. Because you could say you know house had their opportunity to do this. They didn't do their job. And I think a lot of senators were willing willing to to brush. That off is something they could handle out there. The Bolton thing that's why it's so important it heightens this sense that there may be something crucially crucially important That the American countries going to miss if he's not brought in and I think we've made good arguments for why no matter what he says. That's probably not the case. But it's the perception. That's what's driving. You see all it takes. It's Mitch. McConnell does not have a huge majority there so all it takes his six six seven senators to to get nervous about this and the whole dynamic shifts aright. Well we're going to get a lot of movement this week on this front I assume and and We shall follow it every step of the way Thank you bill. Thank you Kim. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with another edition of Potomac Watch.

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Trump fires John Bolton over disagreements

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Trump fires John Bolton over disagreements

"John Bolton is out as national security advisor. The presence entitled to the staff that he wants Secretary State Mike Pompeo. They're talking about the man who is thought to be his rival on the president's team a team. That's had a lot of turnover. It is the third national security adviser now to resign or be fired pretty unstable situation the White House meanwhile the other national security story today a valuable spy by extracted from Russia. I'm Marco Werman. We've got those stories for you. This hour plus Missouri farmers send a musical message about the trade deal. They're waiting being for all that and much more today here on the world. John Bolton is out. President trump fired his national security advisor. Today Bolton was the third man to hold the job in the trump. White House and the most hawkish the president released Bolton because of ongoing disagreements about how to handle major foreign policy issues like Iran North Korea and Afghanistan at the top of the list trump delivered the pink slip via twitter Bolton responded with a tweet of his own saying that he offered to resign at a press conference today reporters asked Secretary State Mike Pompeo what what exactly happened said the president asked for Bolton's resignation the presence entitled to the staff that he wants at at at any moment. This is a staff person who works directly for the President United States and he he should have people trust and values and who's efforts judgments benefit him and delivering American Foreign Policy. It's what as cabinet members for secretary MNUCHIN. I try and do each and every day when the president makes a decision like this he's well within his rights to do so so could Bolton's departure prompt the trump administration to pursue less hardline policies like in dealing with Iran Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin fielded that one I would say secretary of Puff Hale and myself and the President President or completely aligned on our maximum pressure campaign. I think you know we've done more sanctions on Iran and anybody and it's absolutely working now the president there's an has made clear he he's happy to take a meeting with no preconditions but we are maintaining the maximum pressure campus over John. Bolton's dismissal was not a great shock for many observers servers well. I'm not really surprised. Michael mcfaul was US ambassador in Moscow from two thousand twelve two thousand fourteen because it seemed that he had many foreign policy positions that were at odds with his boss and that didn't seem like that was going to work for very long. So how does that impact you as national security dirty. We'll number one. He should have had somebody lined up before It's never a good idea to have a gap with the national security adviser. Remember her. This is not a position that need Senate confirmation they could have been lining that percent up and when he says he's going to announce next week. Why isn't he announcing today but number two. I think it means we're probably going to be in for a time of of you know creativity to put it diplomatically with with regards to President Trump's diplomacy remember John Bolton after all was the person in the administration who was reluctant tint to go along with negotiations with Kim Jong earned the North Korea he was more hard line in my view on Russia. I'm I'm sure that did not go down well with President trump and I would be shocked if he was supportive of inviting the Taliban to Camp David. I think it's pretty clear from secondary sourcing that he was not a supporter of that so you might see some you know creative diplomatic initiatives. It's an and not necessarily once that I think are in America's national interest a lot of people look at the White House and see Secretary State. Mike Pompeo's kind of the only guardrail left to keep the White House us on the straight and narrow in terms of foreign policy are do you see it that way. And how comfortable are you with well with the departure. Secretary Mattis is at the Pentagon you now the departure of John Bolton. It's hard to see who else has any kind of gravitas within trump's world world when it comes to national security fares and remember. There's been a lot of speculation that secretary pompeo wants to run for Senate and he's been getting ready to do that so ooh baby. This change will have reconsidered that and disdain his job. A lot of people will remember John Bolton for his aggressive stance on Iran and pushing for regime change. What do you think is legacy is going to be. I don't think there's going to be much of a legacy. It'll be a non legacy added. I guess is he's going to want to say bad deals. Were not done while I was national security advisor right remember especially on North Korea and now I think as well in Afghanistan these are two deals that I don't think he supported and so if they go forward and especially if they fail he'll be the one that will say see. I told you so but his legacy on Iran I think is going to be very mixed as well they unwisely in my view pulled out of a deal with Iran nuclear deal that was working they promised to get us a better deal and we're now in you know deep into year three of the trump administration Russian and there's no sign whatsoever that that strategy's been working so the idea of a lot of pressure on Iran was going to get us a better nuclear deal. One of the key issues that Mr Bolton focused on has so far not born for that was former ambassador Michael mcfaul while I had him on the line I also asked about another top up national security story today the leak to C. N. N. and the New York Times that the US had a spy high up in the Kremlin for years and that the spy was extracted did removed from Russia in two thousand seventeen for his safety. I asked Michael mcfaul. He knew the spy will. I most certainly can't talk about that and I am really appalled old that we're talking about this at all. I just cannot understand why somebody who works with classified information would ever ever ever grower wants to release that classified information. I just I find that to be just it's not in America's national interest. It's against the law aw and people who do that should not be working for the US government the alleged by a Russian apparently had access to the highest levels of government in the Kremlin. The reports reports also indicate this asset in the Kremlin was a source of information about Russian election meddling that prompted special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference the US election of two thousand Sixteen Garrett graff wrote about the investigation in the Threat Matrix inside Robert Muller's FBI one of the things that has sort of always always been a missing piece of the puzzle of Robert Muller's investigation has been this line that the intelligence community had had high confidence that the attack on the election had been ordered and carried out with the express instructions from Vladimir Career Putin himself yet. We have never seen any evidence of that emerge in the public record. So what we've always wondered is how the US had such confidence accordance said Vladimir Putin was intimately engaged in the two thousand sixteen election attack the alleged spy and his family were extracted from Russia in two thousand seventeen and are reportedly now living in the united it states John Chandler spent a decade in the National Security Agency as an analyst and counter intelligence officer a John. How unusual is it to have a spy an asset with this kind of access to high levels of government in an enemy state. It's rare enough certainly in country like Russia which has a great deal of counterintelligence vigilance adjuvants. It's it's a rare and welcome saint for Western Intelligence Abby Mole with some accessory pretty high levels of the Gremlin. How do you go about recruiting people like this. Why why do they betray their countries nearly difficult and we have learned that the individual name by the Russian press as the alleged goal served in the Russian Embassy in Washington. DC see over a decade ago which is not uncommon it is easier for US intelligence to recruit Russian spies when they're in the United States and whether in Russia obsolete sleep because when you're in Russia the SP Russia domestic security agency watches invested Matt's very closely so I wouldn't be surprised to find out that our alleged mole was actually recruited serving in Washington DC and what kind of risks would he have faced in a country like Russia wants back there and spying. Oh enormous God. If you're caught your you will be going to prison essentially shot your life is over. Your family's life will be ruined as president even put you in the former. KGB has said traders traders always end badly. He's not joking so the consequences for him had had not been exfiltrated would've been extraordinarily severe and of course difficult for US intelligence to run run Russian agents inside Russia's well because again the FSP is watching her. Yes I mean Putin's. Personal security is really rigorous. How do spies pass information to their handlers. How do they actually communicate. There are many ways they can do it. The most common way in Russia in high threat states using what are called dead drops meaning you leave microfilm or a or a thumb drive behind where a Western intelligence service knows defined. It and you can communicate that way. There are no face to face. Meetings are simply too risky forevermore involved with no face to face meetings that can get hard to assess trust. How do you know you can trust this kind of asset from afar. How do you vet the information that beer. She provides God is extraordinarily difficult. Proud of course had he been crudely. United States intelligence would have no doubt had face to face meetings with him but those are probably disappeared. He went back to Russia. Yeah that is always the challenge isn't it. The Russians are very adept at counterintelligence and even if he was legitimate when he was recruited by US intelligence he might have been flipped or turn by the F. says being you can never really be entire sure you have to assess on the basis of the information is passing does that appear to be legitimate. Bona Fida the Russell germ mastrans astros woods called disinformation meaning. They could pass information. That's eighty percent true but twenty percent false to influence western decision making in key areas so it's the answers you can never really be a hundred percent sure and then how do you get somebody like this out of. Russia and the family out of the same challenges well allow these individuals obviously don't want their families because the fate of their families could be very correct and if the press reports are believed the Russian press has told us that the family disappeared while allegedly taking your trip to Montenegro in July of twenty seventeen the whole family was to escape so the risk obviously doesn't end with the extraction. What kind of risks does this man and his family faced today well northwest so you've had the case of stugotz report of course in in England solitary poisoned last year long daughter a defector actor from Russian military intelligence we had mcclay listen the founder of rt who died under mysterious circumstances kindly in Washington DC November Twenty Fifteen Putin has made it clear that the factors may be hunted down abroad was very mysterious about this case is the individual named in the Russian press as the suspect has been living in the suburbs in Washington DC under his own name. which is extraordinarily unusual seem to indicate? He has a death wish so I I think there are still progressive here. So now that this asset we know is out how much of a whole does that leave in. Washington's ability to get good intelligence about what Russia shows up to the paradox isn't it when you have a golden source you want that source to stay in place as long as possible as long as you get killed captured whatever I'm not. There's a big gap yard is again extremely vote for US intelligence to recruit and run effectively spies literally inside the Krummel especially individuals high level access. That's what you want people to understand the actual decision making in Putin's inner circle in any way at all just beyond price for US intelligence and I suspect that if we fill that gap since then we've had a lucky break. John Chandler is a former counter intelligence officer with the NSA. Thank you very much thank you we've been hearing a lot about the trade trade dispute between the US and China but don't forget about Nafta Naff what I hear you ask the trump administration negotiated an update to the trade pact with the US lesson Canada a political lifetime ago I e last year midwestern farmers remember the deal. Nafta is now called the US MCA the US Mexico ECO Canada agreement in a new video farmers with the Missouri Farm Bureau make their case to finalize a deal five farmers dancing in cornfields making making the US NCA letters with their arms president in trump along with the leaders of Canada and Mexico signed the US NCAA last November but the agreement still needs Congressional Approval House Democrats have not taken it up. They have some lingering lingering objections. They want tougher labor and environmental provisions by the farmers Missouri there singing their hearts out so that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Senate Majority Giardi leader Mitch McConnell and president trump. Get the deal done you it has you're tuned to corn farmers around the world couples trying to get pregnant may have turned to an ovulation or period tracking APP for help millions of women around the world world use them for a variety of reasons but what happens to the very personal data people enter in these APPs in some cases it gets fed to third parties including facebook that's according to a new report by the UK based Advocacy Group Privacy International. They looked at these APPs being used in different parts of the world. There's Maya Maya My. FM My period tracker ovulation calculator and others Abe Loom Dumont lead the research on the period tracking apps and what we phone is that the ones that are both have a very worrying practices because essentially the author uses to enter extremely sensitive data not just about their main station but also that their sexual lives and also also medical data like their birth control peel though also even like their blood pressure any sort of medical history to my house and this is all shed with facebook and Addison Dot. He's in a those other apps you mentioned are they also acquiring the same kind of data all of them actually all collecting very sensitive data the other ones we know sharing it with facebook go out of the doughty's but what they were doing though is that every time the user would open the APP. They let facebook know that the user is opening diop so facebook knows using this op which means that your person who meant create that probably if you open the APP that means you at the time of your cycle where you're actually on your period it probably also tells as you may be either trying to have a child or trying to avoid. We're getting pregnant citizen a lot of information already that can be inserted from just nearly letting facebook notre you've opened. Yep and just just to be clear. I mean this information. The APP developers would say this is legitimately needed to make certain determinations about fertility correct yeah so it's it's needed for them but what's absolutely not mandatory is is sharing it with facebook. So what does facebook do with this this data with this information. It's unclear at this stage. What facebook DOS with was disinformation. what we question is why company locked facebook should to have access to this data we when we think about to the reality of what has happened with facebook collecting so much data about us in the past and obviously I'm thinking for example simple about the Cambridge and on each guest's candle and targeting of population in the context of of election it is worrying that a company like facebook would to hold so much daytime so much personal intimate data who around the world is typically using these APPs so we've looked at are particularly popular in India India in Indonesia and in the Philippines actually right and women. They're they're giving this information voluntarily. I mean I do know if there are concerns concerns about this about privacy in this country's partnered with buzzfeed for this research and they've interviewed users of this APPs in in various countries and obviously sadly a lot of users simply aware of the data collection and data sharing of those apps and practices practices right which seems that ought to be changed. If people are unaware there should be made aware I mean how clear do these APPs in their term service type because we and and we have looking at the privacy policies those ops. It's worth very in mind that you know for the general public for the average person. It would be actually quite a difficult thing to read. It's not necessarily reason in very accessible language. It's quite long. Did you not explicitly clarify the extent to which they share information formation with Stugotz us so we actually question even the legality of this privacy policies that are not sufficiently transparent not sufficiently explicit especially when I said deal could acting medical data I mean the thing is even when people are aware and they then decide to fork over with a fork over the data. They're doing it willingly. They're doing it voluntarily right well. Here's the question to be asked about. All these people doing it voluntarily attorney. Wendy don't actually understand what's going to happen to this day done when it's not a properly explained to them in European data protection legislation nation there is a really important notion which is informed consent If you don't understand what you're signing it cannot be understood as informed consent and that's actually actually what we would argue in this case. I E can't be argued that it will really consenting to this ever bloom do Monte with privacy international speaking with us from London Endon. Thanks very much. Thank you so much. A trail of smoke rises from an ashtray on a sidewalk cafe table. Are you envisioning Paris. It is so French but not any more open air smoking bans are sweeping across France a year ago in the city of Strasbourg a total ban on smoking when into effect in public parks and gardens the BBC's John Lawrence and went to find out twelve months on how it's working there. That's the young woman on a park bench declines the opportunity to talk about the smoking ban introduced a year ago in this and other public parks and Gardens in Strasbourg which which is a shame as I point out to her because she is to put a finer points on smoking for the moment as sending teams of mediators into the parks to reason with smokers rather than finding them but for some this is still a new sort of social apartheid also some smokers are often that people who are exposed to stress at work and they don't get to Relax Inn hotels or some holidays end up smoking to control of their lies. It's like myself. They want to be able to take their kids to the park. I kids will hear that little for vagabonds. These children Komo half of their father funded in a doctor's waiting room. An assistant instant comes and asks if I'm waiting to see Dr Fells. I am Alexander. Melts is also in charge of health at Strasbourg townhall in parks and for the future Gotcha streets where there are schools banning smoking is his baby little Tobago tune melody he it makes people ill too toxic in parks were designed for wellbeing and good health when we started densify cities everywhere Cognac. We created these parks purpose so he's thankful logical tobacco do you which is the opposite of not being. These places bike scene owes Moosewood pylos she they may not aging fan boy of French Literature Michelle. Well Beck being told you can't smoke here in the new film. Tell us where he meets aging bad boy of French cinema fell in a Normandy detox center a Swansong. Perhaps for France is great cultural icons. After in two thousand eighteen smoking was banned in one thousand five hundred seventy outdoors places in France and the number is rising fast three hundred eighty eight towns and cities have followed Strasbourg's lead or pledged to do so Paris for example has just banned smoking in fifty three parks at the entrance to a final square and near the Cathedral Strasbourg irs perch on retractable anti-terrorist balance and grill one as the French expression puts it while they still can there are to date only two countries that have completely banned smoking but France is perhaps on its way. BBC's John Lawrence and reporting in Strasbourg in France the world's podcast is brought to you by Goldman Sachs for insights from leading thinkers Goldman Sachs on the state of Markets Industries and the global early. Konami listened to the podcast exchanges at Goldman Sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety of topics from a variety of sectors with far reaching implications including global and regional growth forecasts finding value in today's investing climate the impact of technology on markets and much much more. That's exchanges at Goldman Sachs available on Apple Apple podcasts spotify stitcher soundcloud and Google play and at gs dot com slash podcast. The Indian state of Kashmir has been under a strict lockdown and one piece of art as captured cashmere struggle. We had no idea this was going to happen. When this all blew up what I could do in my limited capacity was just go to odd got a Kashmiri artist and her symbol of resistance that still ahead here on the World Hurricane Doreen was one of the strongest storms ever recorded in the Atlantic. The death and destruction in the Bahamas is still coming into view the Bahamas and surrounding the islands are accustomed to dealing with hurricanes but storm of this magnitude is making people there confront some harsh realities poor people again have been hit. The hardest and climate change is making the impacts of these storms more. Severe Angelique. Nixon is at the University of the West indies in Saint Augustine Trinidad and Tobago. She was born in the Bahamas and told us what the past week has been like for her. While it's been horrific it's been heartbreaking an elder aunt and oncle another family relatives who live in a one story home and report on the one. We heard that the flooding had started you. Their phones died and we heard nothing for two days. You know so it was I was very very stressful. I mean I can't I can't even fully explain it so for very personal reasons. You've been thinking a lot about this disaster but also for professional reasons you wrote this article that was titled when the Apocalypse is now climate crisis prices small island disasters and migration in the aftermath of Hurricane Dorian. To what extent do you think climate change impacts. The identity of the Caribbean is a is a region. I know I've thought about these things for a long time. I've written about them and would were saying at a witnessing. It were experiencing across the region with extreme weather. The rising sea levels the changes in the environment. You know everything I mean we witnessed and experienced that every single day and now we are what I'm arguing arguing aware share. We're at the climate crisis my concerns and raises the articles really about those who are most vulnerable. How does the storm like Hurricane Doreen make AAC the vulnerable even more vulnerable. We know that those who are already a marginalized in different ways are going to experience variance the brunt of any post-disaster in very extreme ways so in particular. We're thinking about the elderly migrants in particular get our undocumented migrants women children of course poor and working class persons persons with disabilities anyone with a health condition you know all the disasters are not equalizers and climate change is going to affect everybody the same. I mean not something that we hear. All climate change is gonNA affect everybody. It is but it does is there still a disproportionate impact disasters uncover existing inequalities an justices and for our region we are born out of injustice us and genocide and unto transatlantic slave trade and you're seeing the legacy of that history of slavery today and the response to the hurricane and who was impacted we take into account that these spaces have those historical injustices and those historical legacies produce the inequality and even a place like the Bahamas. The Bahamas is considered one of the richest countries in the region because we have a high. GDP per capita we have a small population and tourism awesome but that money doesn't stay in the country of the majority of people don't benefit from that while and so we have to think that the the inequalities that exist is it that has existed are going to be. I think exacerbated. I'm we've seen that again and again are exacerbated after disasters yes so what needs to happen for people affected by the storm to heal. No I mean not just physically but also emotionally politically socially as an entire region. Yes and that's a really good question. Honestly something that you know so. Many of us have thinking about you know I've been organizing with grassroots organizations that are have long long been doing work with those most marginalized vulnerable. There are other organizations. You know really focused right now. On basic needs the socities rescue getting you know folks tuned to be evacuated. people who need food water shelter that ascend you know those are the basic things but we also have to think about mental and emotional wellbeing because I've heard again and again people saying that folks are traumatized think by also also recognizing that spiritual mental emotional needs are also vital for recovering relief thing that is at least one place to start. Angelique elite Nixon at the University of the West indies and Saint Augustine Trinidad and Tobago. thanks very much our thoughts are with you and your family still in the Bahamas. Thank you so much. The Internet at and mobile phones are coming back in Kashmir Delhi had placed its only Muslim-majority state under an unprecedented lockdown after revoked the state's special constitutional constitutional right to self governance just over a month ago the Internet may be back but it has not diffused tensions between India and Pakistan. The two nations have fought wars over Kashmir Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Makhmoud Qureshi made a serious accusation at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva today. I shudder to mention the word genocide here but I must. He said the people in Kashmir faced grave threats to their lives. This is what India's Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs. Vj Singh thing had to say the world is that this fabricated narrative comes from the epicenter of global terrorism across the world. Kashmiri are protesting. Samaya tally is a British Kashmiri writer living in Boston for her resistance takes on the form of fashion and art one of her images. A woman in a Red Farren Verron has become the face behind Kashmir's resistance movement. Farren is the the most traditional form of cushman clothing. It's worn by both men. Women Children Run away like it's a warm enveloping tunic type clothing but with pockets the pockets of the best part. I mean I have memories of my grandmother and she would always always have something great. That would come off a puck at just the right time. You know like a piece of candy. A little coin for me or my favorite was dried coconut. I they have loved always wearing it. I'm not just saying it today because we're doing this. Talk on Cushman wear I wear it all the time so somebody you created this image edge of a woman in a red fair and holding unraveled scarf I. I don't know the job board. We'll call it a scarf. She looks really strong really defiant. Where did you first. I get the idea to create this image. Why was that kind of important in this moment so let me just describe it a little bit so the image is like you said a woman in a Red Red Farren and instead of the traditional embroidery she has a map of Kashmir embroidered on on that neckline and she's walking forward with the purpose is looking down as pushing through storm that is trying to blow away her cream colored shoal and her hands which are holding national poise so that in such a way that you can't actually tell whether she wrapping around Hustle or is she in the act of letting go so the image actually is inspired by a photograph that I took and it was a one of my friends who was the model I had done a photo shoot on the beaches of La. I wanted to amplify if I could me voices Kashmiri women wearing cushman clothes photograph by me woman the story I wanted it to be all about Schmidt women and their voices because prior prior to that a lot of images. If you Google the word ferron he would see Bollywood actresses. Indian actresses dressed up as cush. Mary's appropriating Kashmir in Kashmir's four for August August Fifth August fifth of course is a day that India decided to take away the limited autonomy of Kashmir. How did you feel on that day on that day. I I felt like I had to do something. I had to do something other than just cry because that's what we all felt like doing. My sister was actually visiting not me from the UK. She's a dentist but she's an amazing artist. We had no idea this was going to happen. When this all blew up what I could do in my limited capacity city was just go to odd. I woke my sister up. Actually it was very late. She was just about to go to sleep with put all the kids to bed and I just woke up. I said during have to do this. You have to do this and so this is a piece of digital out she did on ipad we use the photo that I just described as inspiration and and it took her took her about two and a half to three hours to to do this with me sitting right by his side giving proper vista instructions no do this do that raises. It just came together so perfectly and I know this sounds like a cliche but we knew we were doing it for Kashmir so it's really caught on but I gather gather not. Everybody's embraced it. What happened when hindu-nationalist got a hold of this image? The right-wing Hindu nationalist group took this image and really violated it it in a way they colored her shawl into the Indian flag and Hindu is her by putting the red bendy on her forehead so this is quite emotional for me because it was quite triggering for a lot of us to see that because it was a direct visual representation of what India does us does to Kashmir is the way that India tries to appropriate in a raise our identities. This was just a direct visual representation of what that is for you for Kashmiris. In general it is independence and freedom the endgame. Yes absolutely while we want the enter. The communications locations blackout is about so much more than that ending. This blackout would not be doing us a favor. This is all right. I don't want people to get under the impression that we'll be celebrating wants wants. This blackout is over irony. Is that people inside this open. An prisoners cannot see this image. You know that we've just been talking about and it's so representative presentative of them. The only way to connect to the rest of the world is when they actually leave Kashmir. What I really want is like ask the cush Mary's. Do you need to ask the Kashmir is what they want and you need to listen to them because that has not happened in the past seven decades Somalia tally a British Mary writer living here in Boston. Thank you very much. Thank you so so much. He came from Switzerland to America in the nineteen fifties and took a road trip and shot over seven hundred rolls of film of what he saw. Robert Frank Changed Documentary photography with his Seminal Nineteen fifty-nine book the Americans photos that reflected his nuance outsiders view of American Society Robert. The frank died yesterday at the age of ninety four along with still photography he also embrace movies in his nineteen eighty-seven Feature Film Candy Mountain. He continued to focus. It's on this parts of society that are overlooked and life on the road. I say freedom on MSG with the road the other Sarah Greene is the head of the Department Department of photographs at the National Gallery of art in Washington which holds the world's largest collection of Robert Frank's work. She also wrote looking in Robert Frank's the Americans and Sarah. Thanks for being with us you new rubber frank personally. Why should Americans appreciate how this immigrant from Switzerland saw this country. Robert Frank really looked beneath at the surface of life in America in the nineteen fifties and saw a country that American cells had not recognized or paid attention to he saw a country that was plagued by racism that was ill served by its politicians but he also saw aw novel areas of beauty in American life in our cars are diners and even the road itself. I mean his were not not kind of thirty. Five thousand foot shots of the country he paid attention to people he paid attention to the ground and that book of his the Americans really challenged the formula of photo journalism it it seems in the Mid Nineteen fifties did frank photos of the US change. The course of documentary photography globally they profoundly did initially when the book was published it was was decried as anti-american even but very quickly younger photographers looked at it and they embraced not only the subject matter that frank head explored but also his very loose immediate and intuitive style of making pictures so from those gritty realities in the fifties and sixties in black and white stills. frank pivoted to film or what do you think that says that transition says about the kind of artistry was it says an immense amount. It's so easy for an artist to find one style. One approach to the world seems to work for both him or her for in this favorably received in the artists will often sort of repeat that style for the for the rest of his life but frank was someone who server wore the mantle of fame the Americans head easily on his shoulders he in to a great extent rejected it and moved forward word in the nineteen sixties and seventies with an extremely innovative and productive career as both a photographer and filmmaker. He wasn't dowd with really restlessness that pervaded both his personality and his art. He seemed to take a very serious approach to his view of the United States. What kind of person was he just knew him well. I can tell you that meeting. Him was a bit like for someone in my profession might like meeting a rock star. I mean into a very great extent because he was such a seminal critical artist. Once he befriended someone he was an exceptionally warm in caring person endowed with it with a great sense of humor was not always the most chatty person that I've ever met yet. He sent his his close friends wonderful letters that are really more like poems sort of require one to decipher the content of his letter there. They're so sort of epigrammatic in a way he wasn't intensely thoughtful person in an also an intensely loyal one you know he is to a great extent one one of the last surviving figures of that generation of course all the other beat poets and authors our lawn since dead and it was always was always so wonderful so refreshing to go and see him particularly these days when the art world is so infused with money in an ambition. Robert was always one to remind us of the importance of integrity of commitment to once art and as he once said you know that the necessity to have less taste more spirit less art more truth and I think that those are among the quality's holidays certainly I will miss the most about him so agree no the senior curator and head of the Department of photographs with the National Gallery of art in Washington helping us remember photographer Robert Frank. Thank you very much Sarah. You're welcome. This next. Segment is about the saddest tourists ever sat about politics that is some Brits. are so depressed by politics back home. They've decided to double down on political disharmony. They have Patrick Brown to thank for that. He's the founder of polly trip joined in one of his vacations and you can see the presidential election up close and personal go to events shake hands with voters make phone calls and canvas. Patrick Brown is himself deepen politics. He's a counselor in Northern Ireland and a PhD student in politics at Queen's university Belfast so for him the idea of polly trip came came pretty naturally bathroom breaks over here and after seeing trump yet the the nomination over there am I booked flights over to the US to Miami actually out of contact that arranged just housing for me and sent me to a field office and I spent the last month of that cycle knocking doors on making calls and attending events for for the Clinton Company. I had such fantastic time doing that that a year later. I was coming up with some business ideas and I thought maybe people would at pay to have a similar experience organized for them on. That's basically where the idea for poly the trip came abide and what do travelers who sign up with polly trip actually do and are there things that they're not allowed to do so one of the first things that people always ask inevitably as is not neil foreign interference or is this legal on that was my first when I came up with the idea. No one's doing it so it must be illegal. It's perfectly legitimate but for a tourist on a tourist visa to go over to the US on volunteer as long as you are doing what a regular volunteer on a campaign would do so like I said knocking knocking doors canvassing making phone calls attending events generally observing the process there are limitations to what you can do so one of the things fundraise. We can't solicit donations or receive donations. I'm account do anything that would be considered sort of high end strategic at work. We can't be a campaign manager. We can't do anything that would ordinarily be paid and I think that's just too concerned about taking jobs away from Americans staffers Patrick. I'm wondering how business is for Poly Tourist. I'm like does brexit player on this is seeing the US system kind of escapism deepest for for breads or just a reminder. The politics is dysfunctional and a lot of places one of the guys who was in Iowa with US last month. He said that he was at so fed up being depressed by British politics that he decided to come over and be depressed by American politics instead on I think that's reflective of the general state of politics politics in the Western world or maybe globally and I certainly was influenced to go over in two thousand sixteen as a result of Brexit. I saw a lot of the narratives assume famous sort of a turn towards the right toward negativism and not influenced my reasoning behind wanting to go out and play whatever role I could so yeah I think more than anything young people are more politically politically engaged unaware than they were a few years ago and for better or worse dots probably helped us in terms of recruiting willing volunteers participants for any plans to take Europol trippers to other countries that have equally dysfunctional systems it yeah yeah it's all in the business plan. We assigned to reach out to other elections. We'd love to bring some Americans over to the UK more. I think that was so that's something we could definitely facilitate. Well Good Luck Patrick Patrick Brown the founder of polly trip. He's a counselor in northern Northern Ireland and a PhD student at Queen's University Belfast all the best thanks so much Margaret when president trump tweeted that the secret talks between the Taliban Alabama and the US were off. It raised eyebrows for a few reasons. I wait what secret meeting and second that talks were scheduled to happen at Camp David. That's the wooded presidential retreat in Maryland over the decades. US presidents from Franklin D Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan to Barack Obama Heff hosted foreign leaders there most famously Jimmy Carter broker the Camp David Accords at Camp David in nineteen seventy eight bringing together Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Bagan. That meeting led to a a peace agreement between the longtime enemies. William quant was actively involved in the Carter Administration and the Camp David Accords. Nobody's had this before or since we had thirteen thirteen days in which we essentially there on our own dealing with one another you know every day was full schedule of talks. Negotiations president was there the entire time he never left out took a lot longer and it was a lot more difficult than Carter had initially expected but he did think being being at Camp David would create a kind of atmosphere of this historic opportunity to get something very difficult done. Camp David has been portrayed in all kinds of movies and TV shows I was just reading that it was established as a retreat for government workers under FDR as part of the works progress administration. What what does it actually feel like an look like to be there in these high level diplomatic settings well. It's not luck at trump international hotel. It's nothing thing luxurious we had eight members of the American team lead to cabins of course president was off on his own. There is a common dining running area so at least we on the American team tended to try to mix with both Israelis than Egypt during the meals. Sadat never joined in that he always ate and his cabinet alone but by and large it was a very convenient place for us to spend that number of days in close proximity and we could organize meetings at the job of half and honestly I never know speaking to journalists who probably don't like the idea of government officials cutting themselves off from the press but I'm not sure who got this done. If every single day there had been press conference it did mean that we were talking to one another and not having to deal with a lot of disinformation in the public arena public rain didn't seem to matter very much except as we got to the end game and there was moment when Carter thought it was going to fail and he had to think long and hard about how he would explain this to the American public has nobody knew what he's been doing up there for ten or twelve days at that point. I had to write a draft what was called the failure speech that he would give in the event that this didn't work but by and large we've very issue focused so after president trump a dangled the meeting with the Taliban Dan Camp David and then cancelled it people kind of freaked out on twitter over the weekend talking about Camp David as a sacred place. Have we touched too much symbolism or importance of Camp David Well. I don't think there's any sacred about there was another major. Camp David Negotiation held by President Clinton with a WHO'd Barack the Israeli Prime Minister and Yasser are out of the PLO that one of course fail so it worked well in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight didn't work so well in two thousand and in two thousand nineteen the idea of inviting the Taliban they're the enemy that protected bin Laden after nine eleven before nine eleven and meeting with the Taliban Camp David on nine eleven within two thousand nine hundred and some people saw that as horribly offensive others saw as as extraordinary diplomacy. What is your take. I think the timing was bad add and I think unfortunately I will say this as a criticism of the president at Chater too much to his desire to be seen in public as has this great dealmaker we saw it with congenital where you've seen other moments when he's tempted as perhaps with the Iranians to make a deal bill. I think that instinct want to make deals with enemies is perfectly understandable but you can't just rush into them and expect them to work work. William quant their key player in the negotiations that led to the Camp David Accords from the Nanna Bill Harris Studios at W. H. I'm Marco Werman will see you tomorrow. The the world is a CO production of W. H. Boston the B._B._C. World Service P._R._I. and Pierre Ex.

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John Bolton has something to say on impeachment

CNN's The Daily DC

19:55 min | 9 months ago

John Bolton has something to say on impeachment

"Everyone I'm David Chalian the CNN political director this is the daily DC impeachment. Watch every weeknight. We bring you the very latest reporting and analysis related to this historic impeachment saga. We thought today was going to be a relatively slow day on the impeachment beat as the conflict with Iran has dominated the news cycle. But boy were we wrong earlier today. Former national security adviser John Bolton announced that he he is willing to testify at the Senate trial if he is subpoenaed to do so. This came completely out of the blue today and it has major implications so there is a lot to unpack back in a few minutes. I'll be talking with Al Stewart. A Republican strategist and the CNN political commentator. But I I'm joined by my colleague. CNN senior writer. Zac Wolf offers many of you. Know Zach publishes the Impeachment Watch newsletter. which you can subscribe to at CNN dot com slash impeachment Zach? Thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me so so that we get this statement today from John Bolt. Nobody was expecting it. There was no indication. It was coming as you know whether or not John Bolton could testify in the house was a matter for the courts until recently and there was no adjudication there but It now seems he's raising his hand to say. Hey I am available. Eligible to testify in the Senate trial. We did hear his name invoked many times throughout the house proceeding so from a thirty thousand foot view. Tell us how crucial a witness John Bolton could be in this entire impeachment trial of Donald Trump. John Bolton is I think perhaps the the most important person we haven't heard from in terms of what exactly was going on in the White House House with National Security Council at the time in August and July with with all of these things he wasn't on the call we don't think with President trump and Vladamir Dolinsky. But he is the person that used that term drug deal to describe What Gordon Silane the US San Bastards? You and Mick Mulvaney. The White House acting sorry White House Chief of staff were doing with regard to you grain. He asked an aide Fiona Hill to go to White House lawyers and tell them essentially that he thought it was a drug deal and that he had nothing to do with it Those are two things number three he met privately. We think according to to Morrison's testimony with trump about Ukraine and number four when house impeachment investigators had essentially given up on his testimony. He essentially raised his hand a couple of weeks ago and said wait. I have pertinent information. It just want the courts to weigh in and as we know how Democrats didn't WanNa wait for it so now he's raising his hand again essentially and saying I have stuff to tell l. and you know by the way he has a book I was just so we should also mention of course. He's got this book coming out. He's hitting the lecture circuit so he's been getting some criticism Zim from some quarters about weight. If you pay for his story you get to hear it. But the American people under the guise of an impeachment of the president is as doesn't doesn't get to hear what he has to offer so proxies trying to a little personal public relations Here as well by by raising his hand. But you raised a few and a hills characterization. We haven't heard John Bolton say that he called it a drug deal but we have heard Fiona Hill say-so and I want you to hear from her testimony Mooney back in November. How she described what she heard from John Bolton utilize Bergen busted a bolt until the I am not part of this whatever drug deal that Mulvaney in sunland cooking up? What did you understand them to mean by the drug deal that Mulvaney in Sunland were cooking? It took it to mean investigations for a meeting. Did you go speak to the lawyers. I sat needed John. Bolton we should just remind everyone's accurate. Here's a total reliable conservative. Republican has been Totally part of the more hawkish side of the Republican Party's foreign policy apparatus for quite some time fully infused inside to the trump white house until he was kicked to the curb but there's no indication that he just by raising his hand is out there wanting to break with Donald Trump or somehow play the John. Dean enroll is there. John Bolton is clearly a reliable conservative but he is a complete wild card in in all of this. Because we really don't know at this point his motivations he's he's been saying Nice things about The the trump administration with regard to Iran Recently after after the strike in Iraq. He's been saying not nice things about the trump administration with regard to North Korea. So he's kind of you know for them and against them on policy. This would seem to be separate from that because he talks in in a statement out today explaining why he would testify. He refers to himself as you know trying to live up to his His his his duty as a US citizen and a former national national security adviser So it it's just plain not clear what he would say funeral hill by the way that drug deal quote. It was out there. When she said it behind closed-doors she said it publicly? He's given interviews. Since then he's had ample time to disagree with that characterization so presumably he would at at least backup that idea that she put out there and it does give us insight into his frame of mind in the moment as this was unfolding he saw that Giuliani Sunland Sort of other avenue of foreign policy. That was being pursued at something. He wanted no part of not something he was going to stand up and raise. Blow the whistle about certainly but definitely something. He didn't want any part of which would lead some to believe. I guess that he thought there there was something improper about that. You don't think of drug dealers proper exactly right so I understand why Democrats may be thinking that he might have the goods or he is going to deliver in some way I guess. Call me a little skeptical on that. I think John Bolton is probably mostly looking out for John Bolton more than anyone else in this matter and so certainly I could be wrong. He could be this killer witness that it changes the whole political calculus around impeachment but that that just seems to be not what we've seen from Bolton throughout the entirety of his career that that's straight and I I think ultimately at the end of the day the importance of this statement and John Bolton today might be that it sort of puts Mitch McConnell in a box as to whether or not there should be witnesses because John Bolton was on the list of witnesses that Chuck Schumer wanted to come into a Senate trial. Mitch McConnell didn't want on any witnesses at all he had sort of it seemed like maybe convinced Donald Trump that maybe there shouldn't be witnesses in a Senate trial so you know th this public spectacle of a Senate trial l.. Might get a little more spectacular if you start having witnesses for Republicans need to essentially break ranks with the party and joined Democrats in order to open the trial up to witnesses. And that's what we're really waiting for right. Now is some sort of deal or no deal and they just proceed start taking votes on whether there should be witnesses. Mrs Yes because on that front. We're right where we were weeks ago before everyone left home for the holiday break Which is nowhere? No announced negotiations between Shumer McConnell about how this trial is going to work when it might start with. The rules of the road are Nancy. Pelosi still has not sent over the articles of impeachment. So we are still in that realm in this total stasis that we have been in but this new development does that In in any way. Unlock some of that. Stasis and move The debate over witnesses will be fascinating to watch. In fact. We're GonNa talk about that quite a bit We're going to hold this conversation conversation here and bring in. CNN political commentator. Alice Stewart for her her perspective right after the break. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more exercise. Save more money well. Here's a resolution that's easy to keep don't waste time going to the post office US STAMPS DOT com instead Stam's M.'s. Dot Com brings all the services of the post office to you PLUS STAMPS DOT com. Gives you everything you can't get at the post office big discounts on postage like five cents off every first first class stamp and up to forty percents off priority mail print official. 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She's a leading voice on environmental sustainability in the fashion industry. Also her take on profit sharing she owns sixty percent of her company and her employees own the rest plus heard vice for all of us as parents out there. What she wishes she done on differently as a mother? And how Eileen Fisher do's meditation guide her work and her life here at all. I'm boss by subscribed today. Welcome back to the daily. DC impeachment. Watch I'm David Chalian. ZAC Well through still here with me and we're happy to have. GOP STRATEGIST AND CNN. Political commentator Alice Stewart Alice. Welcome back to the PODCAST. Great to be here happy New Year. Happy Senior so Zach and I were just talking about at the end of the last block. Do you see this announcement from John. Bolton that he is willing if if subpoenaed to testify by To the Senate in an impeachment trial as a new pressure point for Mitch McConnell to start dealing with Schumer on whether or not witnesses are going to be part of this or is this easy for McConnell to ignore I think Mitch McConnell is going to continue down the road. He's been going on. He decides the terms he decides witnesses. And I don't expect that This will change things. Zach was a one hundred percent correct in saying that Bolton is one of the most important people in this saga that we have not heard from yet but we also have to be careful and mindful of the fact that he while he has that's voiced his concerns about president trump. He's been supportive of the current situation going on in Iraq and Iran and taking down the terror herald leader. He also wants to continue. Having a voice in national security in the national security arena. And I don't see him going and burning down the house and bringing forth information that will be disparaging to the president because he wants to continue in this arena and if he goes and burns the house down That will have an impact on on that. But if that's the case wouldn't it argue for McConnell to allow him to be a witness then Aviv if if McConnell shares your perspective that he's not going to burn down the House and and seventy percent of the American people said in the recent. ABC News Washington Post Poll. That witnesses should be part of this. McConnell is on the wrong side of public opinion right now by saying no witnesses assists Do you see I mean. I've rarely seen McConnell buckle to any kind of external pressure other than if he thought he would lose his majority over it. But do you you see that allowing Mitch McConnell. If he believed what you're saying Bolton is not going to like the House on fire short let them come in and testify I. I still don't see this changing the strategy. I I still see. He wants to to move forward with this without witnesses. That is the consensus of spoken with some Republicans about this that's their consensus. But then again there's the the unknown that might not be the case. He might have something that can be damaging and I don't see see McConnell being willing to take that risk. What about if you're say you're say you're sort of a swing state senator and you're faced with this Decision of whether or not to vote with Democrats that there should be witnesses or with Republicans that there shouldn't are you gonNA side on the public opinion side or the Mitch McConnell side in that case You know in other words. Put those kind of at risk senators in a different Calculus this this John Bolton statement that remains certainly certainly to be seen what. I'm hearing a lot of these. People specifically Republicans when they go back to their districts and their states. They're hearing from the people that they're tired of this. They WANNA move forward they WANNA go they want to put this before the Senate let them have their trial and obviously more than likely they will. Vote not convict this president and we'll move on but that's what I'm hearing from a lot of Republicans that are out there talking to voters face to face if you were advising Cory Gardner owner or Martha mcsally or Susan Collins in their Senate reelection campaigns to Zach's point just pure political Strategy here from these purple states. That are Would you say hey. Don't get too far out in front of this. Let's see where this bulletin thing is going to go before you shut down the the notion that he needs to be heard from my advice as if I were advising any of these purple states should listen up. This is very expensive. Free advice exactly exactly. And it's worth worth every penny is I think the more information the better. I think we should hear from people me personally. If there's nothing mm to hide if there's no there there let's let's put it out there and let's hear from not just Bolton but let's hear from others on the other side I would like to hear also so from a Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and and others. But if we're going to get to the truth and what really Joe Biden hundred to know about a pressure campaign by the president in terms of the articles of impeachment. He's abuse of power his obstruction of Congress. What I mean Joe Biden hundred pertinent witnesses to what what is being alleged in the articles of impeachment exactly but they are pertinent and that this goes to the motivation of the president making this request in the first place so so from the standpoint of all information it's helpful I think if we're going to open it up for for interviewing witnesses? Their information is is vital. Nowhere no where near as vital as Bolton. Mind you but it is important to to get to the bottom of it. Oh Gosh I mean volt. Bolton has made the idea of his testimony so tantalizing using And you know with with his statement he has pertinent information and might might responsibility as a citizen. It makes it seem like he has something to say. So you've gotta think the White White House won't even even though president trump at one time wanted this great spectacular trial. You've gotta think they will try to fight his testimony as you know. It's hard as they can and I think that's awesome reporting that the White House was caught off guard by this. I mean they were surprised as we were with Bolton's He left a message for Mitch McConnell or something like that and that was the only the the holy sort of heads up and just quickly to that point of of setting up the spectacle of this you hit the nail on the head. He's got a book coming out. This certainly doesn't hurt in terms of the people being intrigued by what he has to say. I want you to hear Lindsey Graham on Fox News over the weekend about this issue that Nancy Pelosi is still holding onto the articles of impeachment. She is not transmitted them over to the Senate yet which would trigger the Senate trial machinations beginning ginning That that hasn't happened yet. Here's what Senator Graham Republican South Carolina had to say if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the Constitution. Shen would work with Senator McConnell change the rules of the Senate so we could start the trial without her if necessary. We don't get the articles this week. Then we need to take matters on our own hands and change the rules aid. You agree with Lindsey Graham that the rules should be changed If Nancy Pelosi doesn't send over the articles and be I'm curious have you. I've seen any evidence to suggest that speaker. Pelosi is politically suffering in any way or the Democrats are politically suffering in every anyway from her. So so far refusing to hand over the articles a to the first question. I don't think they should change the rules. I think we should continue Following the rules and guidelines that have been done in the past. I and the the question that I have in a lot of people that are frustrated with the impeachment process is if Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats were so assured of the articles of impeachment and the information they gleaned during the during the house inquiry they would be rushing over to the Senate to hand over these articles articles of impeachment for them to begin the process and it raises a lot of questions. About how sure are they about the these articles in the first place and why is she holding it up. Other than the the fact that she's not confident that they have the information for a conviction in the senate although we had Manu Raju from Capitol Hill team saying earlier today that her. You know the the Pelosi staffers were essentially taking credit for Her strategy because Bolton pressuring McConnell means that it's working because now we might have witnesses so although as we said. It's totally unclear. If Bolton is truly pressuring McConnell if McConnell is a feeling pressured in any way by that then policy of course would say. She's only articles not because she doesn't believe in her case but because she doesn't have a clear understanding of what the trial will look like exactly and she she has had her turn to preside over the house inquiry and the House. Probe it is now Mitch McConnell's turn Republicans didn't have a say in how she he executed the the process over in the house she really has no say in how things are executed over in the Senate and I understand why she would like to change to have have some input. But she doesn't and she doesn't have any more sway in how this happens in the Senate anymore than Mitch. McConnell did how is operated in the house. It'll be very curious to see how how long she thinks she can play this game that she's playing sort of a game of chicken She's playing with with Mitch. McConnell many ways Zac alice thank you so much for joining me here on the daily. DC Impeachment Watch greatly. Appreciate you being here. We'd like to thank you our listeners for tuning in remember we've got a new episode every weeknight so please make sure sure to subscribe on Apple. PODCAST stitcher Google podcast spotify. Whatever your favorite podcast APP is? And while you're there leave us a rating or comment it helps people find the ship. We'll see you tomorrow.

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John Bolton, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden

Pantsuit Politics

58:39 min | 8 months ago

John Bolton, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden

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We're going to catch up on all the news including the latest impeachment blockbuster revelations wins and we're going to go back to twenty twenty share some of your candidate endorsements or reasons why you're supporting certain candidates we're GONNA talk about out newspaper endorsements were just GonNa Cover keep covering twenty twenty as we are mere days away from the Iowa Caucus we have been starting a a lot of our episodes with some kind of climate change as in this week in the news. You've seen some reporting about how there's really a growing consensus might be moving out of the era of climate change. Denial Oh yeah yeah and so and into Skepticism about solutions perhaps from people who are not all in but definitely growing consensus and we shared on Instagram Eh. Our Listener Jessica wait time out. Can we just take a moment with that. I WanNa take a moment when you can take him up. We don't get enough good news. We for lots of reasons. Reasons don't always have the bandwidth or the time to notice big good encouraging hopeful trends and and this is one of them I read a in-depth coverage from Davos House. Republicans are putting are moving past climate. Denial in their publications. The trump administration at Davos was talking about some of their initiatives to fight climate change. I think we are GONNA leave behind the idea that this is not a problem that it's is not caused by human behavior. And like I said we're not that doesn't mean we're all onboard with a solution but I just think we should take a real moment to sit with this incredibly positive development that at least we are not disagreeing about the reality and the challenge that is climate change it puts us in a much healthier place as we start to vet potential solutions. Do there's not going to be one answer to climate change. It's GonNa vary by geography. It's it's GonNa vary on all sorts of factors. We can have that conversation a much more robust one. If we've left behind the idea that this has all been a fraud perpetrated on the public so we we have expressed before our concerns about how much air travel we engage in our listener. Jessica reached out to us to say I have one a potential solution to help ease that for you which is to purchase carbon credits when he fly. And so we've done that and we're GONNA put a link in our show notes for the good traveler blur dot org there. Apparently quite a few places that you can buy carbon credits we purchased ours at the traveler. Dot Org something. We're going to continue to make practice here anytime that we have to fly and and we wanted to suggest that to yell too. Well I used to do this several years ago when I lived in DC. And I forgot the company I used but I would buy offsets and then truthfully stopped it. Travelling by Air I D. I didn't fly when I was having babies and moved back to almost just sort of forgot about it. So I'm so grateful that Jessica reached out to us and shared that after after we shared the story about jet blue offsetting their carbon footprint the really positive climate change trend. I read about this morning. It was a Paul. I think he was an axios. His daily email email about how many people are reporting that they ate less meat than I ever had before in two thousand nineteen especially Not Surprising considering conversations white college educated Democratic Women so I think that that is another really positive thing everybody seems to be acknowledging saw Dunkin can donuts is GonNa have Plant based patties for their breakfast sandwiches. Now I think is really great and so I think that that is another really positive habit habit. Everybody is examining for themselves as individuals and contributing to the sort of positive for climate change. We've just been trying to adopt meet as the site item in my house. Because I don't have everybody on board for full vegetarian. Meat is a side. Item is a really easy way to start to change this trend in your diet. I'm finding so just a suggestion if you also have. I don't know husbands who don't WanNa go meatless in your domains. Cook it on the related. Climate Change certainly lane is the spread of the Koran virus. Not that it is caused by climate issues but when you read about global trends global health and climate change are closely connected and we are seeing corona virus potentially becoming a global issue. We've got confirmed cases now in the United States. Five of them confirmed cases in France Hong Kong Japan and what we know now is that at least eighty people have died from corona virus in China that every major city in China has a confirmed case and the CDC has given us some good information about common corona virus. But this is a novel form worm and so we're still learning about it. I think that's the most unnerving thing when you go to the X.. Birds and they say oh. We'll update you as we learn more. Yeah I was really disturbed to read about how quickly at adapted it's adapted way faster than the SARS virus did did and of course the SARS expert in China came out and said this is GonNa be way worse before it gets any better. It's also really upsetting setting to read some of the reports coming out from these quarantine zones. Is it actually helping to stop the spread because people are really suffering inside these quarantine zones. It's not They're running supplies. They're running out of food and that's a huge issue and of course the number that the Chinese are self reporting just keeps escalating in a way that I find slightly slightly suspicious. I'll be honest. I mean we were talking about this last week and it was like. Oh we have three hundred confirmed cases and now it's like two thousand plus they're basically building ending pop-up hospitals to try to treat the people that have the krona virus it just. It's a really really concerning situation as anything thing about the spread of infectious disease phrase. pop-up hospital doesn't sound very comforting to me. I'm thinking about this as potentially a new normal. Yeah I just thing. It's likely that we're going to continue to have viruses that spread on a global scale and we need to be prepared for that. We need to find ways to react to it. That don't involve panic Hanoch But that also involve a lot of vigilance in paying close attention to our own body I think part of what's so disturbing about virus is it has a list of symptoms that pretty much. Everyone I know has right now. I mean they're just all associated with the common cold. And so how. How do you know when to reach out to your doctor? When not and I hope that the medical community will really think about that? Adam give us some good indicators of this is when you need to call us and don't flat our offices otherwise because that doesn't help either we are also paying close attention. Listen to the reports of servicemembers interact diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries as a result of Iran strike on the basis housing housing American troops several weeks ago as of today there are thirty four service members who have been diagnosed and the DOD did a briefing briefing on this after side note. President Trump's truly insensitive and dismissive remarks about traumatic brain injuries. Ace as if the only troop injuries that matter is if somebody loses a limb. I was truly horrified horrified by his remarks about this the president referred to these SM headaches it is worth your time to read the transcript from this department of Defense briefing. We'll put a link in the show notes especially actually as members of the media. Start to ask questions because as much as they talked about transparency in this briefing and trying to give everyone really complete and accurate information shen. They didn't have a lot of specifics after providing the numbers on troops being transported to Germany for treatment and some being transported home to the United States when you're taking people out of Iraq Germany and the United States for treatment that sounds even more significant to me and they talked about how they're using the term concussion as sort of an umbrella term for several several different things that happened so it bothers me that the president talked about it. This way. I also think this is a good moment to reflect on the fact that as a culture. We don't take concussion seriously enough. We don't teach matic brain injury very seriously enough. I've been watching. Cheer along with lots of other people and thinking about how we say to these women who share and Menchu. Oh you you have five. You've had five concussions well he'll up because we need to throw ninety pilots all ninety pounds of you in the air again and see what happens. I mean we are really casual usual. About how many athletes get hurt in this country in this exact same way and it's especially offensive when we're talking about our servicemembers overseas and so I just think is a good moment to pause and recognize that that is a problem that does not mean that Iran was able to strike without hurting America in any way and I can imagine if I had family overseas. I would be even more upset about this. Well that's what makes me so mad. Is I do think we've had positive movement on this issue and we've seem to begin a conversation about how serious concussions and brain injuries are in the military. Of course there's an ongoing conversation surrounding football and C. T.. I'm really excited to listen to that. Daily episode about the town in Texas so interested I was tell people when I got pregnant with Griffin and and people would try to talk me and they would say well. What are you GonNa do if he wants to play football? And I said I'm going to say no. Why would I even consider letting much I'll play football? The ball and people thought I was crazy at the time they would blow me off. Oh you'll see when your kid really wants to play and by the time had Felix probably really the by the time my had Amos two years later in Amos was like a toddler and people would say that and I would say oh. I'm definitely GonNa let him play and they go. Oh Yeah me neither like in that short span of time. I noticed the shift in people from sort of rolling their eyes at me saying no of course if your kid wants to play you'll see two. Oh yeah no I would never let my could play football isn't it. I think it's been a lot of fast paced change but the problem is the conversation. Nation is limited by our lack of knowledge. And we don't really know what concussions due to the brain we don't really understand the brain that great at all So I think that that sort of where we're limited in this conversation but that's what made me so angry to hear him not surprisingly surprisingly that he's still in you know nineteen ninety-five when it was just a headache and nobody took it seriously because he doesn't seem to want to advance in his is understanding of the world but still just so discouraging. Let's turn our attention to secretary pompeo because Katie and several other listeners reached out asking talk about the reported exchange between Secretary Pompeo and NPR's Mary Louise Kelley you have not been following the story Secretary Pompeii sat down with Mary. Louise as Kelly for an interview about Iran and Ukraine and lots of other things. His belief was that Ukraine would not be part of this conversation. She asked about it after the interview was over he declined to give any real specifics. She really pressed him on his unwillingness to defend ambassador. Marie Ivanovich in the face of the mounting assault on her from really rudy. Giuliani others so after the interview was over Mary Louise Kelley reports. That secretary pompeo called her back to his private room in the State Department bent began to yell at her cursed at her. Ask Her if Americans really care about Ukraine if she could find Ukraine on a blank map the berating lasted about as long as the interview itself in then. She disclosed all of this. His team said this was supposed to be off the record. She said very much not off the record occurred and heathen started tweeting about proverbs. It's really been an embarrassing episode. All the way around and I think a couple of things are really important about it. One is is Katie points out. Journalists are in a really tough climate right now and I think it's important to remember what people go through to bring us information even if you believe all that information formation is hopelessly biased. They are enduring a lot to provide it. And I'm grateful for that secondly I think it's really significant. That secretary pompeo feels so free to speak to a journalist this way attack that journalists in the media as he has going as far as suggesting jesting that she didn't know where Ukraine was and instead pointed to Bangladesh. And if you look at a map kimmy. There's no way I mean it's just that goes too far if you're gonNA accuse her of not getting it right and I know it wasn't Bangladesh that she highlighted on the map that he feels so free to do all of that in the midst of an impeachment Schmidt trial in which he could very much be a material witness if anyone's interested in getting to the facts. The I think it's the opposite. I don't think it feels free. I think he feels tightened. Didn't I think he feels pressure pressure. And that's why he exploded in that way so I listen to. NPR feel very personally possessive of all the NPR host. In particular. Mary Louise Kelley. I mean you just feel like you is the same way people feel about us. I listen to them all the time and so I was like how dare you sir. How dare you speak about Mary? Louise Kelley this way. I was so angry in. It's not like what I don't WanNa bust on. CNN CNN does good work but it's NPR is not CNN. They don't have time to fill. She has no investment in creating the sort of drama so that she can stretch it out for hours in front of the camera. That's not what they do there. In fact I was trying to look for some times that. NPR has covered this to hear what they were saying and it was hard to find like I was looking in the podcast. I'm like Oh surely like up I over the weekend talked about it surely the NPR news. Summary talked about I. I can listen to how they're covering. Oh now confined it. What does she have to gain in making up this story like come on? What does she have to gained from putting herself out there? Attracting the attention of trump trolls. I am positive. She's probably already received. Death threats is already being docs on twitter twitter. God knows what like. Why would she do this? Why would she make this up like it just infuriates me? I struggled to say anything redeeming about secretary. Pompeii I've been really disappointed in his tenure at the State Department and if he's talking to journalists like this imagine how he treats the people within the State Department when he's feeling the pressure when it's a rough day when someone screws up on something he is been a really good soldier for the president and I know that he hopes to parlay that got into future political good fortune. I think this is a very character revealing exercise that we should take note of well. And here's the other thing too. This really really bothers me when the president talks about the media when people the far right talk about the media reporters are Americans Americans. They're actually citizens of this country human beings doing the best. They can the way they talk about the media. It's if there's like this ball and they're all soldiers and they all get together and divvy up the attacks I mean. It's just the the the ways the conspiratorial manner in which they speak about the media and they talk about reporters as if they're only desire in life is to you attack Donald Trump as if these people aren't in an highly competitive highly competitive field the text itself very seriously. Now that's not saying that the media is above reproach criticized the media all the time here. There's too much corporate concern but when you're talking about the individual reporters and and talking about them as if they are you know like the highest level spy not to to be trusted with some alterior strategy in place. It just really bugs me. No these are just people who are working their butts off doing the best they can and they don't make every decision correctly just like everybody else in their job but it just I hate the way that when something like this bubbles up it becomes this really really dismissive tone. The way people talk about individual reporters. Well they're also not all all or even mostly attending elite cocktail parties. I mean I think we really caricature all reporters through the Lens of a very select few right in the national press so important not to do that also interesting to his question of do you think Americans care about Ukraine ambassador. Bill Taylor is out with an op-ed in the New York Times saying yes secretary. Here is why Americans should care about Ukraine. And it's well worth the read will link that in the show notes as well and just a note that embassador Bill Taylor who testified in the house. Impeachment inquiry is now home and we have a new charge d'affaires in Ukraine as of January January. First she was there before. Bill Taylor in. I don't know wh what the schedule is for. Actually having confirmed official there but Bill Taylor is home now. Also here's something else just before Lego. Mike Pompeo for one more minute the idea that all Americans don't care about Ukraine which is something he did he say it to her or did he. They'd afterwards she says he said it to her right I think she says he said it to her. Couple of things one and I don't think that's true too. Even if they don't you're the secretary of state you should most certainly care and you most certainly should take it upon yourself to educate them about why they should instead of keep blowing off like it. It doesn't actually matter. That's a good segue talking about impeachment. Because I heard Senator Mike Brown of Indiana where we are today on meet the press over the weekend and I found it really interesting that Mike bronze main argument and talking about his approach to the impeachment trial was basically saying my constituents constituents don't care about this and therefore I am not going to care about it that I am not a trustee here. I am a delegate and we should basically adopt the American idol approach to governance. I'm just GONNA check with people and see how they feel and then I'm going to do exactly what they WANNA do. And I think there is an argument for that approach is not ridiculous but to the point about secretary POMPEII on Ukraine Americans. Don't have the capacity to care about everything that America the country needs to care about and that is why we have elected representatives instead of doing everything via direct democracy. And so I really I am interested in this strategy from Republicans because it's it's a strategy that makes every part of this exercise meaningless doesn't matter witnesses say my constituents don't care about it doesn't matter. What the facts are doesn't matter if the president broke the law as the government accountability office says he did none of it matters? Because has the folks at home like Donald Trump and that's the beginning and the end of it from the perspective of our elected officials. Okay I've thought a a lot about this. I thought a lot about trustee versus delegate when I served as a city commissioner an elected official myself. And here's the thing. Mike Brandon put his hand on a Bible and and swear to uphold the will of the majority of his constituents that is not his oath of office his oath of office is to uphold the constitution of the United States. And so this idea that you can just wash your hands of all your responsibility by pointing to your constituents and saying the majority didn't want it is so offensive to me and it is particularly particularly offensive coming from a Republican. The party that likes to insert itself and all manner of people's personal lives particularly when it comes to reproductive reductive rights by saying. Oh we need to be the trustees of women. They can't trust them set. We can't trust them to make decisions so we need to. Oh I don't know Make waiting waiting periods and lecture them over ultrasounds and so like just the hop pop crecy of will we will most certainly insert ourselves and you need to. We need to be the trustee over people when the majority Jordy of Americans have very different views about reproductive rights. So I just buy it. I don't think that's your oath of office. I think you tried it out when it's convenient and it's upsetting to me well. I think it's related to this argument that this should actually be decided by the election. which is another argument? That I don't think is a ridiculous argument but I think it's one that they are some conversation so if we are saying that what the president did was wrong or inappropriate or a lapse in judgment but really that should be sorted out at the ballot box. Where are the officials saying? Perhaps he should not be our nominee or I would not vote for him again N.. Because of this contact I will not vote to remove him from office because I think that the will of the people should decide but I will not be endorsing him. I don't hear any of that. I mean Minhaj just really difficult to engage with these arguments with the seriousness that perhaps they might deserve in another climate. When nothing follows the argument the argument it just exists out there in the author and then it's supposed to be dropped and moved on from the other major development in impeachment over the weekend to we have one in which is a recording made by eager fruman at a private meeting with President trump? Where you can hear him talking openly about the firing Marie Ivanovich in how it's really linked to the investigation into the Biden's her holding that up? Also Mr John Bolton main of the hour the one we keep talking about bathroom is if you on the video you can see that who first of all so we had leaks of. The main script of his book in His book is titled The the Room where it happened. And here's where I realize. The fact of John Bolton making the Hamilton reference is a little too much for me. We'll too much it's A. It's a far personally. But in this linked linked manuscript he is reporting that trump explicitly told him he wanted to continue freezing the three hundred ninety one million dollars in security assistance to Ukraine until officials. There helped with investigations into Democrats including the Biden's undercutting the continued trump Defense team assertion. That this was about corruption. And they're all these other reasons that really just didn't have anything to do with the Biden's unlike the way. The John Bolton has conducted himself. Maybe maybe that's the end of that sentence reciprocally. Since he left his office. I find it really difficult to assign a whole lot of credibility to him under any circumstances because of his little twitter teases because he has been so much more interested in garnering media attention for his post White House career career than anything else however when John Bolton says something that corroborates a long string of testimony from others and all the documentary evidence that we've seen so far I'm inclined to take it seriously and and I do want to be fair to John Bolton because Sarah and talked about this when he left the White House House you know you need someone in the room. WHO's willing to say Kim Jong is not your friend? The room where it happens is that the one that is an oval on his cover behind. If you've noticed it is good to have someone with that very hawkish very skeptical of diplomatic Pressures kind of position. It should be the dispositive voice in the Ram in my view but I do think there was value in John Bolton being there. I don't mean to say that John Bolton is not credible under any circumstances I yeah I do think the way he has handled himself since he left. The White House has been. Can we talk Attleboro. Let's talk about the fact that the trump administration's Approach to Ukraine was so upsetting to the regular diplomatic approach that Mr War Hawk himself stepped in and said hey like that's not how we do things I mean John. Bolton's reputation was disruptive. He didn't like that that we thought we were overly diplomatic basically everywhere so what does it tell you that. It got so bad in the diplomatic relationships between the United States and Russia and Ukraine that Mr Warlock himself was like what was pump. The brakes guys. I don't know I think that's ideologically consistent. Because the hawkish position was give them this defense funding Let's even this defense funding funding to combat Russian aggression. So I think it makes sense. The John Bolton would have been that voice in this room for John Bolton to be so critical of the president's motivation I think is is the key here so before the story broke. What you heard everywhere is probably not going to get this for Republican votes witnesses by not going to get them and there's I slightly more optimism this morning? We're recording on Monday. I think the ball game is going to be the Republican caucus lunch. It's happening today on Monday. So we'll update on the nightly nuance N. on Instagram and Sarah's news brief as we learn more about what happens there I think the situation with witnesses stated plainly is people. Don't want witnesses. This is because then the floodgates open if you have John Bolton there's no way he sits in the chair under oath and doesn't necessitate testimony from lots of other senior trump trump administration officials. And so. Where does that end? And that's why I think Senator Braun and others are circling around to just not. It just doesn't matter. We'll just concede concede all the facts. But we're still not going to do this. So what's the point of any of the exercise. And I think that's really though the only place to be if you are Republican who doesn't want to vote for removal all here Can I say one thing about this before we move on. I have very strong feelings about all these process arguments because I'm a process girl. I love process and I do think things should be done. According to a specific plan one and this is a point that I probably make too often. There is not the kind of process for how an impeachment inquiry and trial gets conducted. That is so well established in our country that the Democrats have deviated so sharply that we should just toss the whole thing. It's something we do every other month so ridiculous. The other thing is when you talk about due process which they love to talk about. The president hasn't had due process here. Due process applies when someone's life liberty or property is at stake. The presidency of the United States is not Donald Trump's life his liberty or his property. He's not entitled to continue to serve in this office if he has done something so egregious that he hot not and we as voters are not entitled to have our candidates. Serve in office if they've done something so egregious that they ought not and I just think it's is important for us to like take a breath and take a step back because it's easy to lean into that. Oh maybe it has been unfair. Maybe it went too quickly. Maybe they should have fought for subpoenas says in court okay. Maybe they should have prudentially but none of that is the standard online here. Well and what else bothered me about. Donald Trump's reaction into this revelation from John Bolton was the no he went on a little tweet storm. Will he just wants to sell books. And I thought you know what's so fascinating to me is. There's always a reason from you that someone else's lying always always. There's a reason that someone else's line but we are never ever supposed to assume that your award line and we're always supposed to trust you and take you at your word but never anybody else. Isn't that so convenient. well as convenient in the way that people taking grave offence at comments from chairmanship and chairman now being that Pearl clutching. I could the hypocrisy of it is really difficult and look do I desire for the Senate to be the chamber where we never hear things like head on a pike. Yes I do. I am the ultimate in pro clutching and I will own that. I wish to always be a pro culture but at at the same time you have to think about why you're there and whose conduct you're there to assess. Yeah and all the reporting around this I'm afraid is turning this into more of a referendum on how the house impeachment managers are since conduct while I mean because the the burden of proof is on them. Some of that is fair. The burden of proof is on on the house managers. But the idea that you're going to get so upset because Adam Schiff is incendiary while we live in trump's America. I don't think so friends will. Let's extend some good thoughts into the universe before we onto the twenty twenty primary which will have some. That's an interesting time. Elections are the best of times and worse times as saying but we want to acknowledge two losses over the last week The loss of I've legendary political reporter Jim Lehrer Who wrote a book that I cannot recommend enough especially right now as we're in the midst of an endless sea of debates eight called tension city about the history of debates in the United States and some of the most interesting things that have happened in debates and also the tragic loss of Kobe Bryant his daughter and seven other people in a helicopter crash including two other young girls? You know I got in a conversation with my husband. Last night about Kobe. Bryant Kobe Bryant was was definitely without a doubt objectively a legendary basketball player he had five championships. He scored eighty one points. AINTS in one game my favorite stat though is that he also had the most missed shots because he was just shooting all the time he had a reputation for being sort of selfish on the court very aggressive very competitive edited and he's a complicated history. He was accused of sexual assault. Settled that civilly out of court but then also had for daughters pursued. Women's sports coached women's sports. That's that's where they were on a travel team. They were going to a travel team for his daughter and the two young women on the helicopter and I told my husband. I said you know we don't we do this. Every time someone someone famous and someone famously complicated is especially because he was so young only forty one years old I mean. His youngest daughter wasn't even a isn't even a year old and and I think it's like we all think we need to have a culturally approved amount of grief that everyone must stick to its. It's just outrageous like we don't all have to decide that. There is one way to feel about Kobe. Bryant and in his tragic passing the people of L. A. are going to fill this much more profoundly than anywhere else in the country. He was with the Lakers. His entire career Skipped College went right from high school. And I just think if you're basketball fan you're gonNA feel this differently. If you're a victim of sexual assault you're gonNA feel differently unless just allow space. You know the most important thing to remember about famous people is that we're always talking about something besides the famous person you know. That's why I love and Hilla Peterson. So she's taught me in. My life is that you know celebrity is always about something else and we're exercising a lot of cultural stuff when we talk about famous people and especially when we talk about them and say die and tragic quays in. So I mean I think the important thing to remember is that Kobe Bryant was hugh a real life human being with people who loved him and just like every other human being on planet. There were people. He hurt over his lifetime. Lifetime to so we experienced a death like this that just consumes the national conversation we don't have to reach a preordained conclusion about how we feel about it especially true when multiple family members are lost at one time so cruel to wake up to news that you've lost one family member but but to have lost more than one. It's awful and so I think the more kind of gentleness we can leave around this better next up we're GonNa talk about the twenty twenty twenty race. Working out is hard on socks. 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Pantsuit we we received a lot of positive feedback on our conversation on Friday about the twenty twenty primary and especially our effort to highlight sort of the best case that we can think of for senators warn club Char so we're going to maintain that practice today at your request we are going to give you our best cases for Vice President Biden and Senator Sanders but first we wanted to talk about some more endorsements secured by the women senators running in this race so the Des Moines Register endorsed Senator Warren Brin first of all get yourself over to our twitter feed and watch the little jig. She does when somebody whispers into her ear that she got the endorsement is adorable rebel. I really really was affected by this endorsement because what I'm just happy she's getting some good news from Iowa to do. I thought they laid out a really good case for her. They talk about she's not as radical as people think she is. Here are the issues that she needs to work. Gone and what I really loved is their overall case was basically we understand that people would like a break from trump but their point was challenging. Times require big leadership and we don't have time and we don't have space considering All the huge problems facing our country to take a nice little break and settled down after trump and I thought man that's so true and what in particular kind on of where I follow their logic is we say on this podcast all the time that Donald Trump is not the problem himself but he is a symptom and so if he is not the entire a problem then we cannot treat the candidate we nominate as only a solution to the problem of Donald Trump. If we think that he's a symptom the bigger problems I do then. We need to find a candidate WHO's prepared to address those bigger problems and not just be the solution to trump and I thought the way they sort of argued that it really affected me because I have been struggling with that and I have been thinking like. Oh I don't know do we need a break. Do we need a moderate and oh I thought you know what they're right if it's true which I believe it is. He's just a symptom of a bigger issue than we need a candidate who is prepared prepared to really go big on these issues. It's a real contrast to what the New Hampshire Union Leader Editorial Board decided to do in their endorsement president of Senator Klobuchar and really FRAMES UP AND EXPANDS ON THE NEW York Times struggling to endorse just one person because he read the Dough Moines Register endorsement anything well. There are some very persuasive arguments here. And then you read the New Hampshire Union leader that is basically sober up. Everybody you want to be this president. Amy Klobuchar is the person you can do it. And here's the problem with the rest of the field and she has demonstrated record of winning. And if you want to beat him here is the path this is the path and you read it and it's very persuasive Lisa and I just think it gets back to the New York Times making a pretty good call because that is a decision that voters are going to have to make. Well I really liked how the doing register went through every candidate and was like. Here's like here's what we're struggling with through all of them. I thought that was a really strong way to kind of organizer though I mean not all of them all of them right there so many people still running for president but they did John Delaney. They did ever the big names. Let's put it that way so this race is far from decided. I think anybody who tells you. They believe they know who will win. The Iowa caucuses is is flatly lying to because it's way up in the air. It does look like Bernie. Sanders is surging. At least in the polling in Iowa New Hampshire who knows how that will translate a specially through the caucus process. Which is we've talked about before really involves a chance for people to sort through what their second choice looks like? Maybe what their third choice looks like. We also have more debates eighths coming and injury Yang has earned his way back onto the day. You have to have two hundred twenty five thousand unique donors for the February debate debate which will be hosted by the University University of New Hampshire a thousand unique donors per state in at least twenty states and five percent at least four. DNC approved polls so oh Andrew Young as their as our Vice President Biden senator warrants Senator Sanders Senator Klobuchar Tom steyer still hanging in there and mayor. Pete and speaking of Andrew Yang. We thought we would start sharing some of your candidate. Endorsements your reasons why you're sticking with one candidate that there because they're so good ed and so we had Kelly say yes someone who is reasonable and things about things in a smart way. That doesn't demonize anyone but calls on all of us to question the way we're doing business around on here the way we measure success the way we see people guy saying to the others. No we don't have to change the rules because we're not even playing that game. His Lens is just different. I find it refreshing. I I don't know that he has a lock on all the answers but none of them do. I don't even think ing believes he has a lot more like he's got a decent he wants to give it a shot. I'd like him to be the one leading the conversation and asking the questions so that is why Kelly is for Andrew Young. And if you WANNA see Kelly's entire endorsement along with several other people's candidate endorsements make sure your subscribe to our newsletter. We're going to include them. In full we also received a note about Bernie Sanders from J. P. and I'M GONNA kick off my best case for Senator Sanders using JP's writing so here's what J. P. Says Bernard Sanders is a very old man who has been saying many of the same things for the past half century or so for example. Whatever one thinks about single payer healthcare it wasn't a very popular position Congress in Nineteen ninety-one compared to today but Bernie talked about it not to mention it's kind of humorous to see a thirty something Bernie on Vermont? Public look access TV in the late seventies talking about poverty and looking much the same as today other candidates talk about unions but the sanders campaign is the only one whose employees are unionized is through the Sei you there has been much talk about the criminal justice system. But as far as I know only Bernie has used the term prison industrial complex and I think sanders arguably they had the most explicitly dovish response to the recent assassination of Sola meaning. Okay you all wanted to hear me talk about Senator Sanders because because it is far afield from my political leanings. And I'm going to do that and I'm GonNa do it in my own words. I didn't say anything about Senator Clo- char last week that I didn't mean I'm I'm going to do the same throughout the rest of this process so there are arguments that persuade many sanders supporters. That are not at all compelling or even appealing to me including this consistency argument. which doesn't mean a lot to me? I know it does to a lot of folks I will start by saying that I agree that Senator Sanders now. That senator booker is out of the race is the most progressive voice on criminal justice reform and that she is very important to me. I was happy to learn that Senator Sanders agrees with me. That you ought not lose your right to vote when you are incarcerated. I think this is one one of the most important civil rights issues of our time and I do think Senator Sanders is a leading voice. On this topic I have been raving about the net flicks movie American factory and as I watched American factory in the way that documentaries often can because of great production and good storytelling the really connected me. Perhaps more than I've ever been connected to the way so many people in this country just feel screwed on a daily basis by the way we have not only abandon our interest seemingly in worker protection Dan. Although American factory does highlight that. We're still so much better at that than most of the world But abandoned that interest and also really sold pulled out our responsibility in caring about American workers so American factory Fiv not seen it documents. PURCHASE OF A factory in Dayton Ohio by a Chinese business in the struggle that ensues win several hundred. Chinese workers come over to train. These American workers when Chinese knees leadership tries to hire American executives. And there's just such a mishmash of the cultures But you also see at highlighting safety issues. Productivity the expectations of very complicated fight over unionization that is ultimately lost. And when I put myself in that place it's not that you have to be a factory worker. Or even someone in sort of the working class as Senator Sanders talks about it to support him. I do get there is a person who is speaking. My language here is a person who's caring about these issues as much as I care about them. Here's a person who seems to have always cared about these issues as much his. I've cared about them and I think that when you frame up an election between Senator Sanders and Donald Trump who many people feel feel similarly about. It is good to have a candidate who speaks to those issues. It is good to have a candidate who's engaging new people in the process. My mind is blown. Every every time I dig into Bernie Sanders fundraising and see that. Most of his money comes from people who work for Amazon and Wal Mart and starbucks. Those are folks folks that we need engaged in the process. We need them showing up to vote and I think Senator Sanders is the person who motivates them to come do it. I just want to say that I think this exercises exercises main. There's a reason I was never practicing attorney. I'm an immigrant one and the idea of making arguments that don't speak to my passionate heart as difficult for me her but whatever fun they can be truthful even if they don't speak to your passion though right like I am not I'm definitely not going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I'm for sure not going to be okay. I mean the things that I said. Okay so Joe Biden the more I think about a Joe Biden presidency. Say what appeals. To me is the idea that he would go out into the world. He has relationships with foreign leaders. There would be stability because of his eight ears as the vice president and has many years in the Senate and I think that's all true and I think that is an absolute benefit to him being our next president. I think there is as a benefit to just give everybody a break. I think it is highly unlikely he would serve two terms and so hopefully we would get a little break. He'd offers some some stability. There's been discussions that Kamla Harris would be his vice presidential pick. I love the idea of a single term of Joe Biden. Comma Harris says a candidate. That's all very peeling the other thing I think might be the benefit of Joe Biden. Presidency is because of his many many years in the Senate is of his historical and institutional knowledge because of his deep relationships. I like to think that Joe Biden could serve as a bit it of a congressional coach and although I do think that there is always the case that a president's going to expand executive power to get what they want. I think Joe Biden might offer the best case of. I don't know maybe not. Maybe because of all time in the Senate may because of lessons learned as the vice president he would be better at shepherding pushing waking up Congress to fulfil their constitutional duties. Please I'd like to see that and I think a a single because of the fact that it would most likely be a single term he would be set up nicely to think through okay. It's time for Congress. I start doing its job again. I'm only going to have four years. Let's see if we can light a fire over there and get some legislation through make some rules changes and some institutional changes to really strengthen congress. We are excited to continue hearing your best arguments for your candidates and you do not have to adopt this exercise of making the argument. Commit for someone you don't intend to vote for just you do tend to vote for and why we're excited to hear it and continue sharing those. What's on your mind outside of all the time so mad about the grammys? I don't even white free to finish that question. Eliza was robbed Billy. Bush took all of the top awards song album best artists and I'm outraged. I am straight up outright. She's fine but two thousand. Nineteen was lizards year. She should have swept those awards. They have enough controversies for the way they nominate. I mean why was the. I forgot the artists who ran. Who won best Rowbotham doesn't really rap? Billy Bush talks to her whole Dang songs but she's not in the rap category. I'm just I am outraged. Full on outraged. What advice do you have for the people who run the grammy is going into next year based on your outrage today? Why don't y'all I don't know put together? A committee hearing on nations Liz. Oh beyond say trying to think about other people who've been fully on robbed at the grammys. Just put him interim arraign. Let them set the roles because this is not working. It's not working. You'll get caught out for this every single time. And can I just say like it was such a contrast the I watched a little bit of the awards. What you saw was Alicia keys hosting a just full display eh diversity? You had d-calif and John Legend doing this beautiful montage memorium for Nipsy Hustle. Who passed away? You see all these black and brown faces. You see memorials for Kobe Bryant. You see this in an in every freaking commercial it's like Google which first of well look this Google commercial for black history month. It was amazing I cried and so you see all the commercials are like black history month and then there was another google commercial for their support of the ACP. Easy peasy all this diversity and then it comes to the biggest awards and it's a little white girl I'm GonNa read the room my my issue Eyelash also is the. She seems bored with life and my nine year old really really likes her and I want her to be bored with life in that in that like practiced best way. Have you seen the honor. Who's the woman he does these things on youtube but she liked? Does some Lizardo in the style of Billy Irish. It's hilarious all find. Wanted put in the the show notes. It is just kind of like. I can't believe we have to exist. You're altogether it's so annoying. Wanted she said I know ever reputation for not being excited. I'm very honored. I'm very excited. And we'll give her credit for that. But are we reporting the I mean how old is she eighteen. She's the youngest winner the eighteen year old. Who took off like a rocket or rewarding Liz? Oh who narrative about her success is a gift from the angels literally like at. Let me show you where I was ten years ago. You keep at it. Let me talk. Let me tell you where I was when I recorded. Truth hurts which is also just a better song on every objective level. I'm just I'm so upset about it. I can't even get her flute too. I mean come on I cannot with you people. She's on the cover of every stinking magazine at the top of every stinking list and you give all the top village. I cannot well we have. You're not grammy's outraged as you approach the rest of your week. What are you thinking about not much? Honestly it's just suspend travel and my daughter's birthday was over the weekend which was wonderful But also is right. It was sandwiched between trips for us so I came home. I took seven seven of kids between the ages of four and nine to a hotel for swimming and a slumber party. What's really funny is that my daughter believes I slept during her slumber party? I was in the same room with her friends. They were a delight. I mean they really were fun and precious. I got really sad for a minute. Because in the pool they all made a big circle holding hands doing ring around the Rosie and like dunking themselves under the water and I was thinking about. How probably next year are ring around? The Rosie days are going to be over with that group of girls also just maturing and growing so fast. But they're awesome and it was fun to be with them. I tried to mostly leave them alone. Jane told me that I was very appropriate. Mom during the scattered which I appreciate. She Ate But it but it hasn't left a lot of space other than just kind of power through everyday right now you know. I think that the hotel slumber party might present an environment that addresses most of my concerns about slumber parties because you're in such tight corners. There's no way for people to disappear here and not be monitored in the way that I find appropriate because I'm really about done with summer parties. I'm ready to just abandon them. I don't think I've said this on the podcast for our may be. Have the mother in law had a role. There were no more slumber parties after the age of thirteen which I find to be roburt smart drop down ten and just move on and be like no. We're done like we're just this done. You know inevitably they come back tired and they get sick. They saw something that I would not have. Let them see like all this kind of stuff. So I'm ready to just drop the whole thing. I think it's a wonderful rite of passage to do some slumber parties in your life. I watched them resolve some very low grade conflict over. Are we gonNa Watch the jungle book or some Disney show show. I also think the hotels lumber party really doesn't necessitate adults presents in a way that keeps everything on track and it's a great opportunity to talk about respect and and how we treat people because we have lots of discussions about where to loud right now. There are other people here okay. We ate our food out in this commentary and now we need to clean it up because we want to be really good guests okay. We're at the pool. Other people are coming. So how do we behave ourselves. We're leaving now. We've cleaned up. We're GONNA leave a nice tip for the people who have to clean this room because there's more trash in here and other things and they're usually would be and so I feel like I just feel like overall. It's a very good way to do birthday party. Especially for all mentality. Yeah Okay and when your birthday is in January swimming pool is like the biggest present that you get well. I thought this was a brilliant idea and I tried to do it for Amos Last June and we show up to the hotel and they're trying to make me sign a thing that said this is not a summer party and this is not a birthday party and if it is we're GONNA kick you out basically and I was like. Oh my gosh it is. I guess I need to cancel my reservation. You gotta call ahead and then chat always goes and visits ahead of time to just as A. Here's the plan is all of this okay. Are The people who are working here this weekend. Cool with this. Yeah how can can we make them cooler with it. We definitely take ice cream to the front desk person. You know you just Kinda have to like wrap the whole thing up in. We're all on the same page here. Nice Nice we have had a wonderful weekend that you're going into your week just ready for all of the news that we know is coming our way. We'll be back with you here on Friday. You can follow along with our travels on instagram. We're about to go to Iowa Iowa. Everybody so get excited for that. And on Friday we're going to do a primer on the Iowa caucus in the New Hampshire primary. So we can get you. All you know educated getting ready for our trips to Iowa New Hampshire so everybody have a great afternoon. Thank you for giving us your time and attention and until we're back with you on Friday keep it knew until Dylan Garvin produces pantsuit politics. 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Trump Fires National Security Adviser John Bolton

NPR Politics Podcast

13:34 min | 1 year ago

Trump Fires National Security Adviser John Bolton

"Hi this is Chris in Grand Junction Colorado where I'm painting a topographic mural. I live in boulder but because of this great art opportunity. I'm going to missed the live show next week so please come back to Colorado soon. We're GONNA HAVE A hot. Senate race next year. This podcast was recorded at it is one forty three eastern on Tuesday September tenth. Things may have changed by the time you hear it to keep up with all the changing news listen to NPR on your local radio the station like my favorite K. UNC all right. Here's the show fun fact that Bull Show is Foley only sold out that we've got a live show coming up in November in Washington. DC and several more early next year that we're going to announce soon and mar you're going to be in the show right on a boulder. Can't wait should be fun. Hey there. It's the NPR politics podcast. I'm Scott detro- I covered the campaign and I'm Franko Donas. I covered the White House. I'm Mara Liasson national political correspondent and President Trump's trump's national security advisor is out as with most firings or resignations world learned via a tweet president trump posting. I informed John Bolton last night that his services services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions added others in the administration and therefore I asked John for his resignation which was given to me this morning. Why does this matter well. It matters maybe because it gives us a little insight into where Donald Trump is on his foreign policy. He styles himself as a tough guy but also he's an isolationist in some ways wants to pull back from foreign interventions. We know that John Bolton was a hawk has always been one and and was willing to insert and assert American force in places where he felt it could change things Franklin Maher Mar referred to to Bolton as a hawk. Can you explain his philosophical view of the world and how he fit into the trump White House. I can certainly try. I mean president trump is someone who has said that he does not want to go to war but John Bolton is probably one of the most aggressive as Morris had hawkish voices in the administration and has openly particularly before he took the administrative spoken about regime change in several several different countries using military force in Iran and North Korea to massive wars of that happened exactly and that is exactly something that president trump despite his aggressive talk he has said he does not WanNa go to war and he's even joked that if it was up to John Bolton we'd be in probably four wars and we're GonNa talk about the policy implications here in what this means if anything for the way that the US interacts with the rest of the world but I feel like we do have to know that this is the latest in a long line of people who come into the trump administration and end up leaving and kind of an embarrassing way getting kicked picked out the door often finding out their services are no longer needed via tweet except in this case since both Bolton and trump are tweeting bolden said he offered offered his resignation last night and trump said will discuss it tomorrow and then when trump fired him by tweet John Bolton responded in tweets and texts saying hey no. I resigned including some moments like this on Fox. News both just texted me just watching. Can you yeah he said Let's be clear I resigned. I said do you mind if I say that while you were talking and he wrote yes so John. Boehner told me texted me. I resigned wait. He minded that. He said that that I think he said it was okay. I think he must have meant you know former defense. Secretary Gimenez takes one extreme approach of not talking at at all about what happened. Jon Moulton seems in the early hours of this to be taking another route yeah John Bones not someone who's going to be shot. He is someone GONNA speak out. He could be on Fox News his old oh you know stomping grounds at any moment speaking out and I would not be surprised at all if he is and don't forget John Bolton was not climbing the greasy pole he was not at the White House to further further his career. He was at the White House to further his deeply held beliefs about how American power should be asserted around the world so let's walk through several situations situations that the the White House was dealing with well-built and was in his position and how Bolton's worldview you know happened or didn't happen in in terms of the decisions Asians made and I think we should obviously start with Afghanistan over the weekend president trump shocking people in both parties and most foreign policy experts in saying that the discussions with the Taliban that withdrawing. US troops had reached the point where the Taliban had been invited to come to Camp David before president trump called off the talks. What what was Bolton's view of of those conversations about scaling back American press well honest. We'll John Bolton was against reportedly against these talks he was against bringing the Taliban in on the United States to meet and Camp David so this was something that was concerned he he had a differing view according to my sources than Palm Peyot who supported it. They went back and forth. I'm end in the end you know in a way Bolton one because of it but it was because of the attack attack at least that's what the administration saying well. The other thing is John. Bolton was against talking to the Taliban period he was against the peace negotiations that the president had authorized and that had been going on for many many many months in Afghanistan and elsewhere and the president pulled the plug on those two he didn't just call off this meeting and so in in an ironic way John Bolton won the last battle but lost the bigger war and and just one other thing about Pompeo. Many people were against Donald Trump bringing mattel. Many many people were against bringing the Taliban Camp David pompeo including Republicans many pe- Pompeo didn't necessarily think it was a good idea. What he's famous for is doing a kind of mind mind meld with trump trying to figure out where trump wants to go and hanging on and being there with them? Yeah there's no question there are a lot of people who are surprised that Pompeo was supportive of yes that was the most recent policy back and forth that Bolton was involved in but if he kind of got his way in Afghanistan even if it led to him getting ousted he really didn't get his way in North Korea Korea right. I mean this is someone when he was appointed national security adviser one of the things a lot of people look to was his previous advocacy for regime change in North Korea and even advocating using military force which is something most experts say would agree to tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths in the peninsula leading American yeah yeah but now he was against those talks the president as he always says I like meetings he the president was Taliban the talks with Kim Jong UN and president trump. The president likes to have televised is spectacle. He's meeting one on one with an adversary another foreign leader he really wants that. John Bolton thought there was no profit in meeting with the North Korean leader so so far. Nothing's come of those talks but they went forward anyway. Yeah I mean this. North Korea's a great example to bring up because it really kind of in a way defined the differences differences between John Bolton and president trump you know president trump had all those telltale signs that he usually does when before he pushes someone out the door and on North Korea was one of those because he sends John Bolton to Mongolia during this summit with the North Korean leader so John Bolton was not not even there for that historic moment there Kenny just say something about him being sent to Mongolia for those listeners who may be our younger hunger sending someone to Mongolia or to Outer Mongolia used to be a phrase when you wanted them to go as far as possible away from you and this go figure out or Mongolia. I was not a figure of speech. He actually sent him to Mongolia. It's like a line and Mel Brooks movie so let's walk through a couple. No more hot spots that that the trump administration is currently figuring out how to deal with one of them is Iran what how did Bolton see the region and in what is the prevailing view. If any in the administration right now Iran is another one of those very big issues where Bolton kind of cut his teeth and in the end really came at ends with the president You know as again like we said President trump doesn't WANNA go to war and National Security Adviser Bolton continued to escalate this it was after some of these provocations by Iran that Bolton look to the Pentagon and started asking for potential plans to send thousands and thousands of troops and the Middle East but you know remember when John came into this position he was asked over and over again in every interview you are on the record for decades being a hawk on Iran advocating for regime change now. You're in the White House and he would. I'd say over and over again. I'm not the decider in chief. The president makes the decisions. I'm just there to give him my best advice but obviously I mean but but he obviously did not let those things go before when he when he was with Bush he advocated for regime change in Iran and just to kind of add to this kind of hawkish thing he was part of the Bush administration who discussed Iraq's chemical alleged chemical agents that kind of helped lead the United States and to war in Iraq. I mean this reputation mutation and of course there wasn't it all right. We're going to take a quick break and when we come back we're going to talk more broadly about what if anything changed means for the president's foreign born policy going forward support for this podcast and the following message come from the Annie E. Casey Foundation developing solutions to support strong families and and communities to help ensure a brighter future for America's children. More information is available at a e Af Dot Org. There is no way of getting around. College is really expensive to a half to go here. Just GonNa die if I don't go and then we looked at the cost I said well you just have to yeah but there are strategies to help ease the burden checkout life gets new episode from NPR on saving for college by subscribing to Life Kit all guides. We're back Mara the questions for you you early on talked about a collection of trump advisors mattis h. r. McMaster Astor the Second National Security Advisor after Michael Flynn infamously lasted a matter of weeks few others the guardrails of the administration right so the president didn't really listen to his guardrails. He pushed them out of his administration by one then you add hawks like bulletin come in and he seems to not be listening to them and push them out either. He said pretty clearly when asked I. What did your adviser say to you. The other day present Mr President said Oh for advisors. I listened to my own advice. He doesn't like the image of having advisers part of his persona is that he makes all the decisions himself. He's kind of a party of one. I think what it means. That Bolton has gone is there's probably going to be less division inside the White House and the administration because Donald Trump will be more and more solo in decision-making either. They'll be people who try to get on his wavelength figure out where he's going and jump on board. You know there's two models for national security. Adviser one is kind of a coordinator. They don't have a dog in this fight. They don't have strong strong views they just try to get all the best advice from the Pentagon the State Department et Cetera. Put it together and present it to the president. The long term for this is the honest broker. Yes yes the honest broker approach then there's the Boston approach. Bolton has very strong views. He's had them for decades and he clearly even though the president was the decider in chief as he always said he was pushing his own agenda. I think we're going to go back to that. more process oriented position Franco. Mara said that that trump trump likes to be a party at one here. I think the one exception to that for the moment and as we've seen over and over again that you can be in this position of being listened to in very quickly not in that position is Secretary Terry of State Mike Pompeo. Somebody who is continually risen in the ranks of the trump administration seems to be close advisor. The President listens to how how much influence does he have now and has that changed with Bolton how well this could certainly clear lane for Pompeii. Oh you know Pompeo and Bolton have had their differences on policy matters such as North Korea. They've gone toe to toe. and there's been a lot of documentation of those battles on now. pompeo could have a clear role. We shall see of course depending on who the new person is. The president has announced a new acting national security adviser a a protege of Bolton Charles Kupperman but he's not likely to last very long. The president said he'll have a new adviser next week. So there's a lot to see the and depending on who that person is you would probably imagine that they would likely have a better relationship working with the secretary of state that is it for today. We're going to have our weekly round up a day early tomorrow and that's of course because the debate is Thursday. We will be potting wants. The debate is done. I'm Scott detro- I covered the campaign and I'm Frank O. Dona. I covered the White House and I'm Mara Liasson national political correspondent. Thank you for listening to the impair politics podcasts AH.

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John Bolton Bombshell Reverberates Through Impeachment Trial

NPR's Story of the Day

03:42 min | 8 months ago

John Bolton Bombshell Reverberates Through Impeachment Trial

"A potential bombshell in the impeachment trial of president trump is rattling senators. Who will soon decide whether to hear more witness testimony? It comes from the New York Times reporting on National Security Adviser Bolton's upcoming memoir. He apparently writes that. President Trump told Bolton and all that he wanted to keep the hold on Ukrainian military aid until officials. They agreed to investigate Democrats including the Biden family. NPR has not seen a draft of the manuscript and the president denies the allegation NPR Congressional. Oh correspondent Susan Davis joins us for some reaction from Capitol Hill. Hi Sue the White House is putting forward. The second day of their defense team's arguments in the impeachment. Trial have the address the allegations well trump's personal attorney. Jay seculow is a member of the White House defense team and he did seem to allude to that today today in his opening remarks. We do not deal with speculation. Allegations that are not based on evidentiary standards at all. This echoes what White House surrogates forgets have been saying all morning house. Republican Senate Republicans essentially saying that senators must decide on the merits of the evidence that the house and over and the arguments that the house impeachment government managers made not on anything else. That's happening outside of that so there would need to be at least for Republicans ready to break with the White House and party leadership to hear from more. Witnesses does the the Bolton News Make Utah Republican Senator Mitt. Romney thinks so he's he's been on record saying he's already a yes. Vote for Bolton testimony and he spoke to reporters is this morning. I think it's increasingly likely that other Republicans will join those of us who think we should hear from John Bolton I think one effect is it certainly seems to have Harden Gordon Support for Bolton testimony from senators who already said they were open to it. Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska both reiterated that position. This morning. I think the chances of a fourth Republican votes certainly PRU improved today. It's possible but it still seems unlikely because we haven't seen any Republicans break ranks toes. That's what the argument is for. Republicans against hearing from Bolton if as the White House defense argues the president. Did absolutely nothing. Wrong here. Wouldn't Bolton Al Bolster that grace. I asked that question of Roy Blunt. He's a Republican from Missouri is a member of Party leadership and his point they. They're not really focusing. On what in Bolton says but but on the process and his point is that there still aren't sixty seven votes required to convict the president calling witnesses could be a months-long effort the tar to imagine change. The final outcome is essentially saying there that Agreeing to witnesses could means no end date for the trial. Could go on for weeks. Some weeks and that is incredibly unappealing to Republicans. The White House opposes it and they would vote for more witnesses or more evidence as a vote against the president. Republicans lukens obviously. Don't want to anger the president that would have political consequences for them at the same time. Do they risk angering voters. On this question of witnesses when polls consistently show that voters support hear more testimony they do and we have recent pulled out out just a couple of days ago. ABC Washington Post Poll. That came out on. Friday showed two thirds of Americans say the Senate should call witnesses that even includes many Republicans who stand behind the president for that very point. They think it could be exculpatory And there's a reason why the Democrats think Republicans. They're making a long-term mistake. This is Virginia Democratic Senator Mark Warner well. If John Bolton was in the room we should hear from I think any other other effort will be seen by the American people as in complete and total of Asian. This question on whether to hear from more witnesses could come as early as this Friday. So we'll know pretty soon N._p._R.. Congressional correspondent Susan Davis. Thank you you're welcome.

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Day 964: Fired or quit? John Bolton is out as Trump's National Security Adviser

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

48:05 min | 1 year ago

Day 964: Fired or quit? John Bolton is out as Trump's National Security Adviser

"Tonight John Bolton is out after a rocky tenure as national security adviser. It's either a firing or resignation depending on which store you believe now the White House looking to hire its fourth national security advisor in just three years. This comes amid a conversation already spun over the president's changing the weather forecast asked denying a business arrangement in plain sight which may help to explain some big bad new polling numbers just out was a former counter. Intel chief to the FBI is here with us for an update on that Russian asset who alerted America Putin's meddling in two thousand sixteen election and Steve Hornak he at the big board with the North Carolina special election results tonight as the eleventh hour gets underway on Tuesday night well good evening once again from our NBC News Headquarters here in New York Day nine sixty four of the trump administration real quickly here tonight night in political news. NBC News projected a short time ago the when all the votes are counted. Dan Bishop the Republican will hold the North Carolina Ninth Congressional all district for the Republicans that special election in the district that trump visited last night and as we get into the rest of today's news the the headline tonight yet another staff shakeup and the trump White House national security adviser. John Bolton is out after seventeen months on the job. Bolton was trump's third national security advisor in less than three years that means tonight put a different way. They are searching for their fourth national security purity advisor in three years time trump announced he'd fired Bolton this morning on twitter writing quote. I informed John Bolton last night that his services this is are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions as did others in the administration and therefore I asked John for his resignation which it was given to me this morning. I thank you very much for a service. I will be naming a new national security adviser next week minutes. Later Bolton responded with a post of his own own quote. I offered to resign last night and president trump said let's talk about it tomorrow he also in a text message to NBC News wrote. I offered to resign last night. Ninety never asked for it directly or indirectly. I slept on it and resigned this morning. Bolton's predecessors had equally abrupt exits for their part might flynn you may recall lasted all of twenty four days he later pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about us. Communications with Russia. Ironically Flynn was in federal court just today day on related matters at the same time. Bolton's departure was being announced then there was HR McMaster. He was pushed out in March of last year after disagreeing with the president and on several foreign policy issues in another twist NBC news reports that trump has been reaching out to McMaster for advice on national security issues of late. Even while Bolton was still serving in the post today White House spokesman Hogan Gidley echoed the President's explanation for John Bolton's departure John Bolton's priorities policies don't line up with the president's and any sitting president has the right to put someone in that position that can carry out his agenda that became no longer tenable so the president made a change Hogan Gidley in the driveway a reminder they do have a briefing room there some great and detailed reporting out tonight. I takes advantage of a deeply leaky. White House to point out the tensions between Bolton and the President Washington Post is on the board with this Bolton did not like like trump's repeated meetings with Kim Jong UN and had argued against directly meeting with Iranian officials. He also did not like the president's repeated insistence that Russia rejoined the Group of Seven nations it had been reported that one of Bolton's main adversaries in the administration is that Man Secretary of State Mike Pompeo a smiling Elaine pompeo talked about bolden during a White House briefing held in the actual briefing room that the now former national security advisor was supposed to attend himself itself less than an hour after trump's announcement the presence entitled to the staff that he wants that at any moment this he should have people trust trust and values and whose efforts and judgments benefit him and delivering American Foreign Policy if there were many times in basketball than disagreed. That's to be sure we're you blindsided unsighted by what occurred today. I'm never surprised the times right. The Pot writes that pompeo quote has proved more adept apt at managing the president and subordinating his views to Mr Trump's while Mr Bolton kept pushing his beliefs even after they were rejected Mr Pompeo. Ao did not see Mr Bolton as a team player but as someone who undermined the president's policies and politico is reporting for months the Fox News Channel Host Tucker Carlson and have been lobbying President Donald Trump to fire John Bolton and frequently told trump that Bolton not only wasn't on his team but was using the news media the against him that would be something approaching full circle for John Bolton who came to trump's attention initially because of his frequent appearances on Fox News ultimately. I think our objective should be to overthrow the regime in Tehran. I think the only diplomatic option left is to end the regime team in North Korea question. How do you know that the North Korean regime is lying answer. Their lips are moving but then came this once Bolton was was on trump's team signed up trump often referred to Bolton's aggressive stance on national security issues. John Bolton is absolutely talk is up to him. He'd take on the whole world at one time. I have John Bolton who I would definitely say is the Hawk and I have other people that are on the other side of the equation. The jugs very good you. John is a his strong views and things but that's okay. I actually temper John. which is pretty amazing isn't it? Nobody nobody thought that was gonNA. I'm the one that tempers him but that's okay. Bolton's departure puts him at the end of a very long and growing roster of trump officials who have hi there been ousted or resign since the beginning of this still young presidency Deputy National Security Adviser Charles Kupperman is taking over Bolton's job Bob on an interim basis which brings us to our leadoff discussion on a Tuesday night Philip Rucker Pulitzer Prize winning White House Bureau chief for The Washington Post Jeremy Jeremy Bash former chief of staff at the CIA and the Pentagon as well as former counsel to the House Intel Committee and Kimberly Atkins senior Washington correspondent for WBZ Boston's NPR news station. Welcome to you all fill. I'd like to begin with you just tonight. Tucker Carlson by the way is quoted it s calling this a great day for America and saying of Bolton. He's a man of the left. What is your after Action Report. Was this loyalty problems or leaks. Was this outside voices or actual policy Brian. It's a basically all of the above of and by the time bolden left the administration the list of his detractors of the people inside the administration who did did not admire him was quite long at it included clued by the way the first lady and the Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney trump and Bolton have disagreed from really the beginning of this relationship especially on North Korea but also on Afghanistan on Iran on other issues the problem for trump in recent weeks however is that Bolton's disagreements increasingly became publicly tone through media reports Bolton of course denies that he has leaked those sorts of details but it bothered the president that the the disputes that these discussions they were having especially on Afghanistan those peace talks with the Taliban. We're coming into full view and there was really a breakdown in the way that the national security apparatus of the administration was Working Bolton in the final weeks. According to my colleagues reporting at the post was not even on speaking terms with the secretary of state. Mike Pompeo you and trump saw that as a real problem and started to really resent Bolton. I talked to a senior administration official former official earlier today who said that Bolton. We're really acted like a big shot in the White House. He had a big entourage. His aides were more loyal to him than to the president himself and the president on ultimately just got sick of Bat Jeremy Bash two points here number one. This is hardly the first time we've seen tension between two powerful jobs in the modern era national security advisor advisor in the White House Henry Kissinger and Secretary of state point number two is an example from Rand Paul of some of the reaction today. Let's listen together together with John Bolton out of the White House. The threat of war around the world is greatly diminished. President really does want to end the war in Afghanistan. I think he could but he needs people around him. Who Support Division. He's putting forward so Jeremy after all this. Do you think this marks any change in direction direction on policy for this presidency well. I think the president makes it up as he goes along the you know he he improvises foreign policy. There's is no doctrinal northstar no foreign policy goal he's driving towards and so for that reason John Bolton who very much came out of the doctrinal school of being a muscular internationalist really favored military intervention in the context of Iran did not like cozying up to Putin did not like the bromance with Kim Jong Hoon and obviously was very wary of doing a peace deal with the Taliban that would remove US troops in intelligence professionals from Afghanistan during the nine nine eleven anniversary week and so they're really this. This clash in some ways was inevitable and I think it shows you the extent of the chaos the extent the dysfunction and these are critically important jobs because Donald Trump is very lucky. We have not had a major national security crisis a no kidding getting full blown crisis in attack on the homeland or some significant military confrontation and when that happens you need professionals around you can get give you oh the honest facts and the best advice Jeremy. I was thinking earlier tonight. We have a look at one of the testing sessions for what we're going to see tomorrow evening. this is after all the eve of the nine eleven anniversary hard to believe it's been eighteen years and tomorrow evening over the Lower Manhattan. We will see those two shafts of Blue Light. That's still puts a lump in your throat to your point. God forbid. We have not not witnessed a genuine crisis because that's the day you realize the job of national security advisor in the White House is one of the most consequential in the free world absolutely and the fundamental aspects of the job are to bring together the folks from the other agencies director of National Intelligence a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff the secretaries of defense and state and the other cat the other cabinet leads and to provide options to the president to amass the facts to consult with allies partners around the world and to give the president options to respond to a crisis John Bolton had basically become a cable TV commentator in the White White House with no mandate other than to push his own views in his agenda and that's what God cross ways but it also shows how dysfunctional the national security processes become found under president trump Kim at the start of our broadcast. We showed a piece of video that we we didn't explain that was while this was all going on on shortly before the announcement the camera crews that are always camped out in the driveway and the briefing room saw John Bolton all by his lonesome on his cell L. phone come out of the North West Portico there in the West Wing no marine present just standing there still the national security security advisor to the president making a phone call next time we heard his name. It was his departure so Kim. You've covered this crowd for a long time. You talked to a lot of people is the lesson of this that if you manage up your chances at a longer tenure are better essentially. I mean this is is the White House that is run by president trump when he was first elected. There was a lot of talk particularly when it came to things like the national security the apparatus that president trump might be sort of an empty vessel or a blank slate through which others could kind of govern and just use him a as as a means to get there. We're seeing increasingly that that just isn't the case. president trump likes to surround himself with people as a a secretary pompeo said who he trusts but the problem is finding people who can trust him trust that they would listen to his advice and in and do the job that they allow them to do the job that they're there to do. President trump is very interested in who contradicts him particularly public. I think this all came to a head clearly because of the reports that there was dissension within the White House not just between a Bolton and the president event but a dragging the vice president to it too with news reports suggesting that he was on Bolton side when it came to that that meeting with with the Taliban leaders that never happened that seemed to really anger this president one thing that I'm hearing from the hill of course from a lot of lawmakers you talked about some of the Republicans who we're not sad to see Bolton. Go Certainly the Democrats were not fans of Bolton. I think Tucker Carlson is wrong there but there is a lot of there's still a lot of dismay dismay because they're saying at a time where there are so many big issues and national security and in foreign relations we have foreign we have Prime Minister Benjamin. Njit Netanyahu for example just as all this was happening was claiming that the United States was going to assist him or or be cooperate with him in annexing parts of the West Bank. There's a lot going on and the national security apparatus is in complete disarray. There's no sense of WHO's in charge. The president is firing people on twitter witter and all that makes it very difficult for the United States to lead so it's a lot of chaos and confusion. It's something that the president doesn't seem seem to mind so much but certainly folks on the hill and elsewhere are very concerned about a terrific point where Netanyahu was concerned one of the stories that did get by today. Hey Jeremy German newspaper reporters love the expression being mentioned for the job who is being mentioned for the job. I think I've read ten to twelve of names today. Who wants this job. Phil well. It's hard because this person will be the fourth national security adviser and and I think they were worry worry that their tenure would end badly just as a three predecessors had worry. There are couple of people throughout the administration. There are some ambassadors currently serving in posts and there there are some others from the outside who I guess trump likes their commentary so none of these are sort of the most prominent senior national security professionals from from the Republican establishment establishment but someone will fill the job although I think effectively Pompeii O. Kissinger will serve effectively as both secretary of State State and National Security Advisor at the same time because everything goes back to Henry Kissinger Phil Rucker your paper among those out with new polling and the number is rather shocking. Washington Post poll thirty eight approve fifty six disapprove. CNN poll thirty nine approve move fifty-five disapprove either way. That's a long way underwater for a sitting president. He's shown. He has a ceiling wing. That's under fifty but Phil Rucker. A lot of people are drawing a clear red line from what we've been covering. Two numbers like that. Yeah Brian Bryan knows the numbers are clearly alarming for the president and his campaign advisers as they look ahead to the reelection campaign that is not a good place for any incumbent to be he he of course has time to make up ground but he had an opportunity this summer to try to build a stronger political foundation and did not do so it turned out to be eh in his own advisers telling summer of self sabotage and missed opportunities and that in turn has been enraging the president in recent weeks. It's the reason reason you've seen him. ramp up the attacks on twitter and at his rallies against the media against polling specifically he went after that Washington Post. ABC News His poll this morning is somehow inaccurate even though it's obviously a scientific study of public opinion and it's just a sign I think for for the trump team that there are some real real dangerous here as they look ahead to the reelection and they try to you know focused on an agenda that can brought in his support to Kimberly Atkins to Jeremy Bash to Philip Rucker our thanks for starting off our conversation so nicely on this Tuesday evening and coming up for us the fallout from extracting a CIA asset from deep within the Kremlin apparently and later despite a revolving door of departures the president repeatedly denies any chaos and his administration all of it as our allies and adversaries look on with great interest as you might imagine all of it is the eleventh hour is just getting started on a Tuesday night in in view of the executive office building. HEY MSNBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath. I sit down with lead nine eleven prosecutor Rob Spencer when needed to treat this as a regular murder case except with nearly three thousand victims rob was the lead prosecutor in the trial of Zachariah Moussaoui the Nine Eleven conspirator and the only member of al Qaeda ever to be tried in a US courtroom. We're able to give even our vowed enemy who told us the trial that he could. He come back and kill every one of us a fair trial join me for that conversation with Lead Nine Eleven Prosecutor Rob Spencer. That's this week on MSNBC's as the oath available now wherever you get your podcasts a former Russian asset ed who had been living in the Washington area has been moved to a secret location after his role as an informant to our country came to light this week New York Times reported the man who was one of the most important assets was a key to their conclusion in fact that Putin himself ordered the two thousand sixteen meddling into our election the source was extracted from the Kremlin in twenty seventeen the Times puts it in in perspective and we quote the move brought to an end the career of one of the CIA is most important sources it also effectively blinded American Intelligence Agency officials to the view from inside Russia as they saw clues about Kremlin interference in the two thousand eighteen midterm elections and next year's presidential contest Russian state media today identified this potential source said he did work for the Russian government but downplayed the role he had here for more Frank Trigg Caluzzi former FBI assistant director notably for Counter Intelligence and Michael Schmidt Pulitzer Prize winning Washington correspondent for the New York Times Franken in order to have practiced counterintelligence for as many years as you did. It means knowing a lot about intelligence how valuable would would someone like this have been to US Brian. This is the kind of human source that you can go an entire career. The end never be exposed to to have someone that's called a recruitment place at this level reportedly with access to Vladimir. Putin's office is exceptionally rare and Americans through this unfortunate leak are getting very rare. Glimpse of the human stakes involved this human in being risked. His life risked his family to work for our team for the United States and reportedly among the information he provided was information detailing Putin's direct involvement in Russian interference with our two thousand sixteen presidential election Putin's personal final desire to see trump win. That's the kind of thing that Americans need to understand. People who've never read people in the Senate and the House who've never read the mother report who write it off laugh it off as something insignificant need to understand the human toll and the human side and this story it depicts that in in great detail Michael Schmidt does this first of all the warning from Robert Muller at the hearing about their current meddling thing in our political process was one of the few things that came through from that day that sound bite may be the most repeated in our media media second. The loss of this asset. Has it added to the view. The government types you talked to that are preparation for their interference in twenty twenty is either flat footed or straight up hampered. Well whatever information the government had in twenty 2016 that got them to that conclusion that Putin had played a role in trying to tip the scales for trump will not be they're coming into the next selection and that just means that the intelligence community will be at a huge disadvantage as they try and figure out what is actually going on around the election and that means that they'll have to rely more on intercepts that means that they'll have to go out and find sources but developing source like this takes a very very long time. It's not just something they can just go out and get so my sense is that coming in two thousand twenty they will be flying blind in a way that they weren't in twenty 2016 because if you remember back to that period of time after trump got elected the intelligence community came out with this document it was such specific information and he tells you meeting put its full weight behind this document and you sort of understand why they did that if they had such a good source so so frank for our viewers who have not read into the depths of this story it's reported this asset was close enough to Putin physically and in his political Michael Orbit to have taken photos of the papers on Putin's desk having established that Mike just use the expression flying blind. That's scary enough if we're flying blind is the worst case scenario that Russia also changes its playbook a bit in how they come at US yeah every time you have one of these leakages and every time you have to exile trait a source at this level you have to understand the damage assessment and the adversary will change their methodology in order to try to avoid this kind of detection again but Michael's. I touched on some of the long the short term ramifications. The broader ramifications are not just with Russia but imagine trying to recruit high level source I from China North Korea Iran and they look you in the eye and say am I going to get exposed on the news. Am I going going to be my name provided to the president and might that president leak this information. Isn't this the same president trump who said he doesn't like human sources isn't as the same president trump who said he would never have allowed the to recruit Kim Jong Hoon half brother as a source so it's a difficult time for the Intelligence were headed into the twenty twenty election and we may be facing an intelligent intelligence desert and Mike Schmidt one of the guys you've written a lot about Mr Mr Flynn back in federal court today looking for all the world kind of cool and rested still a free man able to breathe free air and it had US thinking about asking that question all over again why all the lies about Russia and is it possible symbol Mike. We're getting further from knowing that answer. It's been three years almost since. Mike Flynn made his false statements to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. We still as a public do not have a great clarity on why he made those statements. We still don't really understand that and now there's more questions about what's going on his lawyer saying that he doesn't want to pull out of his plea agreement but trying to cast doubt on this case. This is just another curious development here. It was only a few months ago that Mike Flynn had a deal from the government which would recommend no prison time and now how that has sort of been all thrown up in the air and they're trying to throw mud at the government on their case here and it just doesn't make sense so as we see see with the story today about the source issues on Russia counterintelligence buying these things very long time for any of us to get clarity. Two of our returning veterans are thanks Frankford Lewsey Michael Schmidt Gentlemen. Thank you both for coming on tonight and coming up for us. The question one of trump's top advisors call old quote. The most ridiculous question he had ever heard happened today. We'll play it for you when we come back and national security team of absolutely not that's the most ridiculous question. I've ever heard of MNUCHIN agenda there today in the briefing room as trump officials appear to be taking great pains to downplay the optics of a White House in any kind of chaos. It's like the search for a fourth national security advisor in three years time the president himself taking to social media just yesterday to declare dishonest media likes to create the look of turmoil in the White House of which there is none yet. A majority of Americans may no longer be buying what the president is trying to sell. This was a consequential number that came across our desks today here. It is according to a new. CNN poll seventy one percent out of people surveyed more than two thirds of our fellow citizens say they don't trust either some or any of the official communication's coming out of this White House again a consequential number here to talk about a Tim O'Brien executive editor of Bloomberg opinion. He also happens to be the author of of trump nation the art of being the Donald and Michael Steele former chairman of the Republican National Committee in its former makeup mister chairman. Thank view for coming on and Tim. I'm going to one of your colleagues at Bloomberg Opinion Column Today on the ousting of Bolton agree with Bolton or not at least arguably qualified for his job given that every other day of the trump administration is a red wedding reenactment recruiting qualified grownups to fill jobs. ABS keeps getting more difficult and the chance of a terrible error keeps rising earlier. I referenced the Blue Lights that we will see tomorrow night over Lower Manhattan that remind us of the worst day in our modern history and there they are eighteen years ago tomorrow Morrogh eighteen years ago tonight. We knew nothing and a good. Many people were getting ready to go to work tomorrow morning and current time. God forbid what happens with this president this White House staff if we have a national emergency well and that's where I think the buffoonery are- the chaos the lack of process the lack of interest in policy details trump's inability to recruit and retain mature experienced leans leaders all comes home to roost because at some point we're going to have another national security event that required teamwork it won't require Donald Trump acting acting on his own and he's not going to have the people around him that he needs to make effective decisions. I thought this this press conference today. That Steve Mnuchin did with with Mike. POMPEO was quasi farcical because they came out. I think in a demonstration of force to say we have a national security apparatus here and we stand up for that. Here's the reality the top two slots. The Department of Homeland Security are vacant. The national security advisory is vacant. Deny is vacant. There's not a White House appointee atop the army. There's not a White House appointee atop the Air Force as they start an investigation into Scotland. They started investigation association Scotland. It's rudderless. Donald trump like all presidents needs advice but donald trump especially needs advice because he's ill informed and he's undisciplined Michael. We'll steal. Should we stay up late waiting for a lot of reaction to the departure of Bolton and fellow Republicans calling for rigor and the selection process of the fourth national security advisor in three years time no. I don't think we should so we can all just kind of turn after the show and get a good night's rest because that's exactly how Donald Trump wants this to play out. Keep in mind as as timid just laid out. There are several very key important vacancies still in existence in the national security space alone before you get into other aspects of the government writ large that have an acting in charge or in some cases no one so that's how trump likes it. It's laughable when you hear him tweet out or see him tweet out that he doesn't like. You know that there's no chaos us here. Everything's under control. This is the main told us that he thrives in that space and attempts point about being informed and educated and and Republicans should be concerned about about this particularly given you know the question you raise at the beginning about what happens if we have a national security. Emergency is the fact that Donald Trump does not want to it'd be instructed. He does not want to be informed because he knows it all already and so we should take comfort from that and I think Americans that will have to weigh that going going into the next election cycle whether or not what they hear and see from this president does in fact give them comfort that should another nine eleven happened. God forbid that this administration would be able to handle it because right now it is the bet would be it would not be tim a good number of people a lot of them. Admittedly in newsrooms newsrooms heard the Bolton News this morning and thought what else is going on that. We're GONNA miss while covering this. Susan Glasser of the New Yorker tweeted tweeted tonight. Does anybody remember Sharpie Gate. We do just days ago. The president tried to change the weather forecast and that got us to thinking about his first full day in office when this president indeed tried to change the weather. Let's remember together. It was almost raining. The rain should get him but God looked down and he said we're not gonNA. Let it rain on your speech food. I I started as no I line. I hit got hit by a couple of drops and I said Oh this is this is too bad but we'll go right right through but the truth is that stopped immediately it was amazing and then it became really Sunday. Then I walked off poured right after I left. It poured Tim O'Brien. You've written the guy's life story. What have we learned. What we've learned is that Donald Trump is so counterfactual in his own sort of reality bubble that he's willing and constantly denying the very thing that's right in front of him and the reason he does it is in part because I think he's remorseless and he doesn't really have a conscience about telling lies or misrepresenting. What's going on and he does it? Routinely I think what's catching up to him now. However are facts in data the difference between inauguration day and people throwing ponchos or plastic clubs over their heads while saying it. Is it raining eating and what's happening now. The National Weather Service is over the last two years. He's got his hands onto the wheels of the federal government and and he is now bringing other people along with him into this game and it's unfortunate and I think it should concern Americans of any political stripe because what's he what he's trying trying to corrupt here is his data and facts. The National Weather Service came out in order to keep the residents of Alabama calm in the interest of public safety to say no. There's a storm coming coming here. Trump said there was this absurd. SHARPIE gate debate ensued. We're in the ninth day of it at this point and trump pushed it so far to get the ahead of Noah to come out on his behalf and say the National Weather Service was wrong. Mr President you were right even though the data and the facts show that not to to be true and that actually ties together a lot of the events we've seen over the last week Mike Pence staying at tune back in the air force staying at turnberry. I'm very bill bar deciding to have Christmas party at the trump White House. All of these various institutional players are essentially kowtowing to the president either by not observing serving the fact pattern or paying him the sort of patronage in order to please him and that's not the way good government is meant to run and and to me that's not even a partisan or ideological issue. We should run a government by the fax and you have a president. WHO's not only ignoring the facts? He's trying to deceive the public and Michael Steele. Let's back the bus right up and go over it again. Perhaps lost in the argument over. Crowd size is the fact that his first day in office. The president said it it didn't rain during his inauguration speech all those pictures on the right hand side including forty-three shrink rat during the course of the inauguration inauguration speech. Nothing was time shifted forward or back remarkable look back on yeah between Marco Rubio and George Bush forty three the priceless moments of like yeah. It's kind of raining out here but again I think laid it out the the absolute correct way. It's it's counterfactual. It is a narrative that is created from the very first day on that podium looking at the nation he started this reality -ality television presidency and every day there's a new episode and within those episodes there are episodes at times and so if if truth. Bruce and numbers facts and information comes out that's contrary to that he is going to consistently and insistently say that this is the truth as I see it and then you get the sick offense who valued their job and pleasing donald trump more than they do serving the the American people will come out and say what they say and host parties at his hotel and claimed that Oh yeah we always land the plane's two thousand is a miles out of the way we always take the Presidential Vice Presidential Party and plant them one hundred and thirty miles away from the event because that's that's more more cost effective. I mean it just doesn't make any sense but in his world it does both of these gentlemen have agreed to stay with us over the break coming up. You may have heard last night. We put it this way. There are two kinds of impeachment regular and Diet. which kind do you think the Democrats are serving up right about now? The president's resorts are hotels that he owns. People are traveling. It's just like any other hotel. I know people look at it I don't know that that's different than anything. Else is a different that if I go and stay are eat at a Marriott here or eat at the trump. The president is an asking me to it's he's competing in a private enterprise. It's nothing something that he controls in that process so in the process they can't stay. There may have sounded like the guy but that's the top Republican in the House of Representatives lives. Our two guests remained with us for this conversation Tim O'Brien. What do you make of that. You can stay in a Marriott or trump hotel. Here's the difference the man or woman running the Mariott isn't the boss of the Attorney General the vice president or the head of the air force the person running the Marriott area is not the head of Kevin McCarthy's party whether or not the President United States is directing any of these people to patronize his hotels at a bare minimum the fact that they go there creates a very bad look. It's atmospherically wrong. It looks like you're patronizing the president to line his wallet even if you're not what about a minimum that's a problem. The reality is this can't be far from anybody's mind that it might make good sense for them to go to a trump hotel. We know that when Mike Pence I went to Dune bag his own chief of staff. Mark Short said he decided to look tune bad because the president suggests hey you're going to be in Ireland. You might as well stay at my hotel and Dune Beg even though it's one hundred twenty five miles west of Dublin and far for most of your meetings are going to be pence later walked that back and said the president didn't push any that along but it's this is all of this conflict of interest issues that hung over trump when he got inaugurated coming home mm to roost and by the way a lot of those people are staying properties particularly the ones in Scotland that are losing money so it also raises. The question is using taxpayers funds. Put the military up at his hotel to help bottom line. Hey Michael Steele. I'm watching meet the press daily today. As all good Americans should and I hear Chuck Todd with an explanation of what the Democrats are up to that was unique to my eyes and unsparing so we've put it on the screen and we're going to all read it together and it begins the house. Judiciary Committee is launching an impeachment investigation for the purpose of investigating the possibility of an impeachment inquiry now they're taking taking a big step to formalize the rules of the impeachment inquiry that doesn't officially exist yet but one the Democrats say now it's gone past me they've been doing and and that they're now going to do more seriously to potentially recommend articles of impeachment to the White House which the Senate is not going to consider no matter or what or to put it more succinctly. Congress is back in session Michael. What is this we're looking at because speaker of the house. She's not impeaching the president. They don't know what they're doing. They don't know I mean come on best bet is that's worst the worst word salad that she could possibly come up with. I have no idea what that means. I don't think anybody knows what that means. The fact of the matter is no one's talking about impeachment. I mean you're going gotTA. Bring this conversation up again. That's fine. Maybe maybe a lot of folks on the progressive. Left are resist really still hyped up about it. Just do the work just come back. Put some good bills on the table that forces both sides to have to push this president to make decisions and lay out your case for next year. All of this other stuff is just at this point. I think Brian a lot of noise and confusion like that paragraph paragraph or two that you just two guys who have done the work returning veterans Tim O'Brien Michael Steele Gentlemen. Thank you as always for coming on and coming up up. North Carolina held a special election tonight. We have Steve Kornacki at the big board after this they Komo's here what he was saying there but that was Republican Dan Bishop who according to NBC News is the projected could win tonight. North Carolina Ninth Congressional district the Battle of the Dan's bishop running against mccreadie for the Democrats McCreevy's second time out if you'll recall state officials would not certify the results of this race when they ran it in two thousand eighteen. That's after evidence surfaced of an illegal scheme by the campaign one of Mark Harris who ran as the Republican the last time around bottom line a red district since the era of Kennedy stays red but we have Steve Kornacki look at how it all went down at the big board. Hey Steve Bryan is a fascinating story here. What happened in this district and you mentioned the bottom line. Dan Bishop the Republican looking wins this district by two points. We'll now represented in the house. This was in twenty sixteen a trump district big trump district. The president won this thing by double. All digits in two thousand sixteen comes down to a two point Republican victory tonight. Why was it close. Why was the Republican ultimately able to prevail. There were two different story storylines that kind of converged in this district night in each of them. I think a microcosm of what we talk about nationally right now. One of the stories was right here in the suburbs. Ah Circle might even be too big. The area I'm talking about the densely populated suburbs of South Charlotte about a third of this district is in Mecklenburg County in this this is that we talk about it. All the time. higher-income college educated suburbs plays that trump won that portion of the district by three points in two thousand sixteen. McCreevy tonight wins it by thirteen points so that's the kind of swing we've been seeing in metro areas suburban areas across the country in the trump era away from the Republicans Republicans toward the Democrats if you'd said at the start of the night that's where McCreevy was going to end up in Mecklenburg County. You might have thought McCready was going to win the election outright. Why didn't he why why did Bishop Survive. It's the other major storyline in American politics. We saw here in that is the rural vote the eastern part of this district. When you get away from Charlotte you get away from the suburbs herbs. These are more blue collar. Rural ex urban areas in that is where it was the election day vote votes early vote half the votes election day in North Carolina. It was the Election Day vote folks who went out today in the rural parts of this district came through big for bishop that Republicans have something to do with the rally. That trump held on election even even this district that's certainly possible but it was a big rural turnout. Republican turnout for Bishop big suburban strength there for McCreevy two different storylines bottom line two two point win for the Republican Steve. Stay right where you are want to expand this conversation by one to include Bill Kristol a veteran of the Reagan and Bush administrations editor at large of the Bulwark Bill Bill happens to be teaching this semester at Davidson University in North Carolina lucky for those students also lucky for us to bring in Bill to talk about this from North Carolina's so bill. I heard it said tonight on cable television that a fifty one forty nine win for the Republicans in this district. We'll send such worrisome signals about the suburban vote two sitting members of Congress that we're going to see another round of retirement do do you concur or should it be viewed that harshly as possible if you represent a district like. Dr Davidson's just outside the district but you you know I've been there a day or two a week and you'll see that I've seen the race philly up up. Close at exceeds analysis is exactly right. This urban swing wasn't quite big enough to offset the rural swing swing the other way there was also I think some underperformance among minority voters for the Democrat in the district but at the end of the day the big picture of the forest as opposed to the trees at eleven or twelve point margin for Romney and for trump goes to two point margin for the trump like candidate. They ate food from came in in this district. Now obviously listen you. Can you know extrapolate exactly that the McCreevy's more moderate Democrat than the Democrats are likely to nominate nationally trump's. Maybe is a better candidate than bishop and I would say just stepping back looking at the big picture. this happens across the nation trump is not. GonNa get reelected. If this happens it happens across North Carolina trump won't carry the state that is to say trump carry the state by four points last time when he was the district by eleven or twelve so if he wins the district only by two eludes the state even he was the district five or six. He'll lose the state so I think you know the Democrats to be very disappointed but creedy was a very good candidate. I think it would have been my opinion a good congressman but nonetheless it's if if things go where we are now is not a good place for trump or for the Republican party. Hey Bill. I just wanted to give you heads up. Leader of the free world who for the record tweeted out a cat had video Saturday night is now on the board having tweeted this just this trump twenty twenty four year reaction. Maybe maybe expects to lose in two thousand twenty and then run again in two thousand twenty four which I've always wondered what assumes that went if trump loses in two thousand twenty we're done with them. But why do we think that you know Bill Bill Kristol. Thank you Steve Kornacki. That's why they pay Bill Kristol. The Big Bucks Steve this broader question and I know you never do opinion but if you're looking for dangerous signs for the Republican Party in the American suburbs writ large. I know a guy like you could find them is right there. It's Mecklenburg County. It's that we could zoom in your eye geographically tiny. It's right here. Look Democrats at twelve point win for Democrats. All the votes are counted there again. This is actually better than McCreevy did last November in this part of the district. He won't buy ten then he wins it by twelve tonight in this same slice of the district. I'm showing you right here. Trump won one by three in two thousand sixteen so this is an area densely populated area that trump was able to carry as a candidate but as president twice now in a congressional election. It's going double digits for the Democrat if you have that happening in Mecklenburg County and you have that happening in places like that across the country. That's a big trouble. We're flattered to have you both Gentlemen Almond Bill Christie. You got class in the morning. Steve Kornacki is always holding class for us here. Thank you both for being here and being a part of our broadcast and to those watching at home that that is our broadcast for this Tuesday night thank you so much for being here with us good night from our NBC News Headquarters in New York new for meet the press that Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about the things we usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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John Bolton Casts Shadow Over Trump Impeachment Defense

NPR Politics Podcast

14:04 min | 8 months ago

John Bolton Casts Shadow Over Trump Impeachment Defense

"We are one week away from the Iowa caucuses and this Friday we're going to be live in Des Moines to break down everything you need to know before the big day join us by grabbing a ticket ticket at NPR PRESENTS DOT ORG. Okay here's the show hey there it's NPR politics podcast. It is seven sixteen. PM on Monday. January twenty seven. I'm Hammer Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Kelsey Snell I cover. Congress look like over the Justice Department. The president's legal legal team continues its defense president trump in the Senate impeachment trial. But before we get to that we have to talk about a major plot. Twist that just about about every senator was asked about today. Well just about every senator who was willing to talk to us right every senator who didn't evade you in the hallways of the Capitol so so Ryan tell us what this is. There was this New York Times story that essentially said that the president's former national security adviser John Bolton tune has some things that he would share that would undermine part of the president's defense. That's right John Bolton is writing a book. There's a manuscript that he shared with the National Security Hertie Council and the New York Times says it spoke to people who had reviewed it and what Bolton alleges in this book is that President Trump told him in in August of two thousand nineteen that trump wanted to continue to hold around four hundred million dollars in aid to Ukraine until the Ukrainian government helped in investigations of Democrats including Joe Biden. This is a big deal because it is a first hand witness if this is accurate who could testify that president trump was directly linking the aid to the investigations which is the the central allegation in the abusive power. Article of these is two articles of impeachment. I mean he could be a key witness if they decide to call him in the Senate and and that's what you were asking these senators about today right Kelsey. We were where we were Basically anytime a senator walked by a horde of reporters followed along to ask about Bolton and there was kind of a choose your own adventure way of approaching this there with people. Well who decided that they hadn't read what Bolton had to say it was too knew they needed time to digest it. There was the group of people who said well Bolton didn't say anything that was it's new and we our minds are unchanged and then there was a group of people who said that they were willing to hear from witnesses by in large though the people who outright right committed to wanting to hear from witnesses and potentially wanting to hear from Bolton were people who already said they might want to hear from witnesses and might WanNa hear from Bolton to that would be Mitt. Romney's the Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski's right and you know there are some other people out there who have shown a willingness Nisa to consider the concept of witnesses Or people who wanted to be entirely silent about that because I actually think that is almost more important group to be watching the people who have oh said nothing at all because they are the ones who are most likely to be winnable by either side. So we're talking about Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. I think Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania is another the other one we haven't heard from Rob Portman of Ohio. The list of people who have been silent is long enough that it could tip the balance between witnesses and no witnesses and one one of the reasons that this would matter. Is that a key part of president. Trump's defense is this idea that Democrats have made their case without any based on hearsay without any sort of firsthand account of what the president wanted and they've also insisted that the president wasn't linking the funding to the investigations. This would undermine that the interesting thing is that this big explosive article comes out the night before the arguments and then the president's lawyers go to the Senate chamber to make their arguments and it's as if the article never came out the only tiny glimpse of an acknowledgement came from Jay seculow One of the president's private attorneys. WHO's on the legal team? We deal with transcript evidence we deal with publicly available information. We do not deal with speculation. Allegations News that are not based on evidentiary standards at all and that was it. One D allegations in New York Times story about what might say are not part of the evidentiary trey record at this point in time. So there's no reason for them to really address it And to you know they are going to fight tooth and nail to try to keep anything that Bolton Alton might have to say out of this trial whatsoever they do not want to have to deal with the former national security advisor to the president who would have one on one conversations with him day in and day day out being able to come in and talk about what he knows so one person that we did hear from today is Ken Starr now. He is almost synonymous honest with the impeachment of Bill. Clinton that happened in nine hundred ninety eight and into nineteen ninety nine and he went went up on the Senate floor and essentially argued that cash. There's been too much impeachment. Why quar impeachment is hell or at least presidential impeachment is hell those of us who lived through the Clinton impeachment including members? There's of this body full. Well understand that. A presidential impeachment is tantamount to domestic where thankfully protected by our beloved First Amendment. A war of words a war of ideas but it's filled with acrimony and it divides lights the country like nothing else in his suggestion was that the country needs to get back to their tradition of impeachment. Being something that rarely happens happens. It's the exception. Everything as opposed to every twenty years. There's another impeachment There are people who certainly would be supporters of President Clinton. Who would find that message coming from can start a little rich I? There are certainly people in my inbox them. Democrats than staffers who Have made that point very clearly and very loudly rudy. Juliani was someone who was mentioned by the House. Impeachment managers repeatedly. He is at the center of their case against President Trump. And why what what he was doing was in pursuit of his personal benefit and not the national interest and today the President's legal team address that head on In particular Jane Raskin who was part of President Trump's defense in the Russia investigation And is now part of the defense for impeachment. The house managers the jurors would. Have you believe that. Mr Giuliani is at the center of this controversy. They've anointed him. The proxy villain of the tail the leader of a rogue operation ration- their presentations were filled with ad hominem attacks and name calling cold-blooded political operative political bag man. But I suggest to you that he's front and center in their narrative for one reason and one reason alone to distract from the fact that the evidence it does not support their claims. So what do they say Rudy. Giuliani was doing. She's basically saying that. Giuliani was working. As a defense attorney for his client president to rebut the Muller Investigation and he was not on a dirt digging expedition in Ukraine to try to tarnish. Joe Biden She says the evidence just does not support that interpretation What she's doing in this fifteen minutes though is leaving out a whole bunch of information that would provide a much fuller picture of what it is that rudy was up to? Of course you want your defense attorneys to go out and present the best possible picture and I think that's sort of what we got here. Today was You know almost a reverse image of what. The Democrats have been arguing so basically what we're talking about here is when we're looking at the same general picture of the same set of facts act but it's like looking at photo negatives. One side is arguing. The photo color and the other one is arguing the negative and it's it's it can be a little bit head snapping all right. Let us take take a quick break and when we come back vice president Joe Biden was featured prominently in the arguments today. This message comes from. NPR sponsor the showtime time Docu series the circus get a different perspective on the twenty twenty presidential campaign from hosts John Holloman Alex Wagner and Mark Mckinnon as they go behind the scenes and beyond John the headlines of one of the most important stories of our time. Don't miss the Circus Sundays at eight. Only on showtime. What's it take to start something from nothing? And what does it take to actually build it. I'm Geyer is every week on how I built. This speak with founders behind some of the most inspiring companies in the world. NPR's how I built this. Listen now and we're back and we also heard today from Pam Bondi. She is a longtime longtime booster president. Trump she is the former attorney. General of the State of Florida and her job was to talk about Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and Barista. That's the gas company that hunter served on the board of and of course Barista Joe Joe Biden Hunter Biden. President trump asked in this now. Notorious phone call asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and and this gas company. They are here saying that the president must be impeached and removed from office for raising a concern. And that's why we have to talk about this. Today they say sham they say baseless because they say this. Because if it's okay for someone to say hey you know what maybe. There's something here worth raising their case crumbles. This was essentially an hour and a half from Trump's defense team pushing all of the allegations that we have heard from Rudy Giuliani For the past year or so they were using the Senate trial of president trump and that stage to put for these allegations once again. And you know I heard from a lot of Democrats who are saying that they weren't aware that A former vice president son was the one on trial in this on today. Oh he he was for an hour and a half. That's for sure and and you saw the president's campaign and the White House tweeting very actively about this particular part part of the argument and and You know at essence what she was saying. What body was saying is like all of this is fair game? Well I mean it's a Joni Ernst who is as a senator from Iowa. Republican senator from Iowa came down during the dinner break and went to this. There's this camera that setup at the base of the escalators that go to the capital And she walked to the camera they was talking to reporters and she said Iowa caucuses our next Monday. And I'm really interested to see how this discussion today. Informs and influences says the Iowa Caucus voters those democratic caucus goers. Will they be supporting the vice president. At this point the goal of this one could be to obviously drag egg biden down in Iowa in his political fortunes Generally but it's also just support this idea that the president was right to ask for the craning government to look into Burri SMA. This is a matter of corruption. The president is interested in corruption. But that doesn't address. The bigger issue of everyone agrees. Corruption is endemic in Ukraine. It is a major problem. Both sides of the aisle will agree on. That and Greece has had some corruption problems in the past exactly but it is unusual for for a president to focus on one particular company in the vast constellation of corrupt companies corruption issues in Ukraine. And that's where the people say. This isn't about corruption. This is about the Biden's I would also say that there's a possible third argument to be made for what she was trying to do here and that was to to give Republicans some ammo when they are having conversations about witnesses to say look at the evidence that Pam Bondi presented. We should be calling. Hunter Biden didn't which gets to probably my last question for today. which is what comes next and Kelsey? Are you hearing talk on the hill of you've possibly a witness trade. There have been some conversations about the concept of trading one Republican witness for one democratic witness having it all wrapped in together and walking onto the floor with that agreement sometime later this week I have also heard very strong rejection of that plan on both sides on the one hand it would appear that having an agreement to say a one for one trade for specific witnesses would be everybody getting what they want but it's also a pretty sure fire way to alienate a whole bunch of people who say if you're a Republican and don't want hear from John Bolton you're not gonNa vote for this deal and if you're a Democrat and you don't want to hear from Hunter Biden you're not gonNa vote for this deal so it's like saying I'm interested in having witnesses but only if I'm have a surefire opportunity unity to kill a vote for witnesses so what comes next is in the immediate future. y'All should listen to up. I are sister podcast. which will tell you you what happened in the rest of tonight's arguments were expecting more arguments from president? Trump's legal team tomorrow and that is a wrap for today. I'm Tamer keep. I covered the White House. I'm on Kelsey Snell I cover Congress Lucas over the Justice Department and thank you for listening to the NPR. Politics podcast AH.

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How John Bolton lost Trumps confidence and his job

The Daily 202's Big Idea

10:44 min | 1 year ago

How John Bolton lost Trumps confidence and his job

"The daily to O two's big idea is supported by Patel for ninety years. The employee of Vitelle have solved the world's most challenging problems finding solutions and really big ideas EPA. Tell tell it can be done learn more at Battelle dot org slash ninety good morning. I've James Holman from the Washington Post and this is the daily to two for Wednesday September eleventh home in today's News Republicans win a special congressional election in North Carolina the California Senate advances a ridesharing though that is divided Democrats over the future of work and one of the the best assets has been living in plain sight in the DC suburbs now he and his family are hiding but first the big idea over a turbulent seventeen months president trump and national security adviser John Bolton had disagreed on a variety of issues from from North Korea to Venezuela to Iran but trump finally decided to remove his top security aide on Tuesday after a heated discussion in the Oval Office it followed accusations by other officials in the administration that Bolton had leaked to the news media tried to drag others into his battles with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over Afghanistan Aghanistan and promoted his own views rather than those of the president. Here's how it went down. Trump called Bolton to meet with him Monday afternoon her newness he prepared to leave for a campaign rally that night. In North Carolina after trump made his frustrations known Bolton offered to resign Bolton. Later insisted assisted that trump said they would discuss it again more the next day. It was the last time he ever saw the president on Tuesday morning. Bolton handed a two sentence letter her to an aid for delivery to trump and then he left the building. All the letter said is basically I hereby resign. There was nothing about spending more time with his family. We know praise no well wishes anything like that but then just before noon trump stole bulletins thunder announcing terse tweet that he had fired his third national national security adviser in a row at the White House those outside the inner sanctum were stunned when trump's tweet appeared at the Pentagon there were cheers when Palm Peyot appeared in an unrelated news briefing shortly after trump's tweet he rebuffed frantic questions about Bolton saying he wouldn't talk about the administration's inner workings then Pompeo smiled someone close to Pompeo says quote that smile spoke for itself among accumulated grievances that had been building link for months. The president was annoyed that Bolton would regularly call members of Congress to try to get them to push Bolton preferred policies on trump. Many any on Bolton's handpicked staff were seen as unnecessarily confrontational with other parts of the national security bureaucracy. My Colleagues Candy Young Josh dossier and John Hudson report that Vice President Pence and acting White House chief-of-staff Mick Mulvaney found Bolton increasingly abrasive and self promoting pompeo in Treasury Secretary Steve Steve Mnuchin had told trump in one on one conversations that Bolton was out of control not helping him another flashpoint was when Bolton refused the past two weekends weekends to go on television to defend the president's policies on Afghanistan and Russia that led the president to conclude the Bolton wasn't loyal that he wasn't on the team and that's the big idea here are three other headlines. That should be on your radar number. One Republican. Dan Bishop pulled out a narrow win last night in a special election in North Carolina's ninth Congressional district in a district trump carried by twelve points in two thousand sixteen bishop ship prevailed by two points over Democrat. Dan McCready mccreadie had been running nonstop for two years and the do over election was called after credible allegations of ballot fraud against McRae's initial. GOP opponent in last year's midterms bishop benefited from the president and vice president pence coming down to stump for him on the eve of the election McCready one solid margins in affluent neighborhoods outside Charlotte and the suburbs immediately south and east of the Queen City but he lost ground compared hard to his November showing in rural counties east of the city. We're seeing this pattern play out across the election. It's part of the continuing national realignment that trump is accelerating it indicates deepening divide between conservative rural voters and suburban voters who have increasingly locked toward Democrats when you drill down into the county by county numbers they show that while the suburbs might not be warming to trump world conservatives are more loyal than ever spending on this small house race approach twenty million dollars making it one of the most expensive special elections in US history. Trump is taking some credit for the GOP went on twitter. He says that their internal polling showed bishop down seventeen points just three weeks ago. The President says the Republican base got excited when he got involved he. He says that will happen again next November when he's on the ballot number to the California State Senate passed a controversial ride sharing bill in the we hours of the morning today that has divided liberals and more corporate minded establishment. Democrats at issue is the bill. Ab Five which would convert hundreds hundreds of thousands of contract workers in the Golden State to employee status that would institute wage floors and usher in paid benefits this this is pitted a host of former senior officials in Barack Obama's administration who've joined these companies against a younger generation of progressives who see a mandate to address economic economic inequality head on but also to advocate for workers in the so called Gig Economy California Governor Gavin Newsom who's long been regarded as a business friendly pragmatist kissed surprise some including executives at Uber and lift who donated his campaign last year by forcefully backing employment for these ride share drivers Uber lift or fighting tooth and nail against this. They're planning to spend ninety million dollars on a ballot initiative in November Two Thousand Twenty to overturn the law assuming it goes into effect Joe Biden's his campaign has repeatedly refused to stake out a position but basically every other Democrat has spoken out publicly in favor of the California law including Elizabeth with Warren Bernie Sanders Kamala Harris p Buddha judge who led a protest outside of Uber's headquarters and Julio Castro that puts them at odds with among others former over Obama senior adviser Valerie Jarrett who sits on lifts board of directors the tension between these two sides bubbled over recently when congresswoman Alexandria Alexandria Cossio Cortes a member of the squad scolded former Senator Barbara Boxer on twitter boxer now serves as a hired gun for lift and has been fighting against the California bill and Related News Uber announced yesterday that it is laid off four hundred thirty five workers in its product and engineering teams as the company any struggles to become profitable number three the former Russian government official thought by many to have spied spied for the United States until being exfiltrated in twenty seventeen has been hiding in plain sight living in suburban neighborhood about an hour outside of Washington. The Russian media reported yesterday that Oleg Small and Kav whom it described as a missing employee of the Russian presidential administration has been spotted in the united it states the paper reported that Malone Kav disappeared in twenty seventeen during a family vacation to Montenegro and suggested that he may have been the American agent who was spirited out of the country after providing information about Vladimir Putin and countries campaign to interfere in the twenty sixteen. U S election now. It's highly highly unusual for country to name possible turncoat. It's even more unusual for a suspected spy living abroad using his own name public records show to addresses for an Oleg Smolin cough. One is a six bedroom house on three acres in Stafford Virginia. The other is the Russian embassy in northwest Washington. A neighbor who lives across the street from the small INCAB's said the family had moved into the neighborhood earlier this year. It's about a million dollar home. He said swollen Volkhov his wife and three children left on Monday evening and had returned sense when one of our reporters went to the house yesterday it appeared unoccupied saved for two dogs who are on the premises. The family seems to have left in quite a hurry behind the house. Toys and clothing were strewn about the yard. A woman sweatshirt lay draped over a patio audio chair. Full Ashtrays and lighters were on the patio table. One neighbor says that Smullen Cov didn't have a job after moving in earlier this year. He told this person that he looked forward to attending the houses ample on guards. He apparently said that he now had a lot of time on his hands. One former senior CIA official says the agency discourages defectors from using their real names or living anywhere near the nation's capital where a Russian intelligence services have an extensive presence to put it mildly in most cases this former official says you come up with a completely new identity and you get the guy out to Colorado or somewhere like that speaking in Moscow today. Vladimir Putin delivered a stark warning to people like smolen cop saying quote traders must be punished former director of defector resettlement operations at CIA Joe Augustyn says that the US government is well aware of these risks and certainly they have twenty four seven security on the defector and his family Putin is revengeful. He says but America protects its assets finally on this tragic anniversary. Let's take a brief moment to remember that two thousand nine hundred and seventy seven people who are senselessly Leslie murdered eighteen years ago this morning in New York at the Pentagon an field in Pennsylvania. We will never forget them. Thank you for listening and James Talk to you tomorrow

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Donald Trump fires national security adviser John Bolton.

World News Analysis

54:55 min | 1 year ago

Donald Trump fires national security adviser John Bolton.

"Today provide you with in-depth News and expert analysis tending the WHO story bigger picture the news you want to know today. Donald Trump fires national security adviser John Bolton he you member states approve owned alliance list of commissioners were banks Kristalina Kyoko to become the new chief John scraps scraps foreign investment quotas on stock and bond markets. You're listening to the world today a news program with a different perspective. I'm joing in Tacoma Hour. Google bring you in depth analysis on these news and other stories within following to listen to this episode again nor to catch on previous episodes. You can download our podcast spicer wrote today. US President Donald Trump has announced the departure of his heart art line National Security Adviser on Boston falling several strong disagreements between the two men President Trump said he would appoint Bolton's replacement next week Bolton offer a different story to the one presented by the US president tweeting quote. I offered to resign last night and president trump said let's let's talk. Let's talk about it tomorrow. Joe Bolton was trump's stirred national security advisor Falling Michael Flynn and HR McMaster as a bone enforce policy hulk Walton has disagreed with the president on issues such as Yvonne North Korea and Afghanistan for more on those. We're now joined in the studio by issue tyndall our chief political analyst so she knew all surprised by this news five orden's son departure not a completely first of all. Ram joined button is really issue of time because it has been in the news of like a president trump of thinking the of firing join button is really about when and secondly I think the only surprising issue probably is yeah. I mean not that surprising the twitter again right the talk to each other but a steel trump who decided to announce the news filter couldn't tell us more about the contacts for the various areas that boughten and trump disagreed that out merely led to his departure. Yes this join. Monte is knowing as hot lender some people to call him extremists in people describe him as someone who is looking at the map to look for the country that the US has not yet bomb so he's a strong advocate to launch a war against Iran biscuit he at that you know like a in three months of time. We can't completely take takeover of Iran so we can destroy all the nuclear facilities as whatever over there and also over North Korean nuclear issue his idea is instead of supporting trump to continue the negotiation and dialogue with North Korean leadership. His idea is like he talked offer. Libya model basically is like the the handover of all the nuclear materials materials from North Korea. Remember would happen to two Libyan leader Qaddafi bisque. The leader was killed after he handed over all the nuclear material due to the Western countries and also you know he talked about how it would be to topple the government in Venezuela but the prude food is not that easy and failed to achieve that goal. I think all these have contributed to his departure and I think that trump simply simply wants to reach a deal with Iran leadership with North Korean leadership or Taliban. That's his style. He'll want to solve the problem palm through you say maximum pressure or dialogue but not warm boughten is awful war but I mean there was a time when important was very influential president's foreign policy him that push for the president to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal and to withdraw from the treaty tweety and to go to Venezuela advocate a coup over president module but asked him said we've seen over the last several months study have been more and more disagreements on many. FDIC shoes what what's behind those changes were think first of all there is like a whole far you can push ray of course have played a very important role in helping being president trump making a hotline decisions in terms of the each nuclear issue over the Venezuela situation over there but the problem is like if you push too hard the president trump would feel are obviously uncomfortable because after all he's not looking for a war in Iran because of him same overseas battles for him is a he's a cost is too costly and also is not in the interest of the United States hit the rudder withdraw all troops from the Middle East because for him. There's no point to her for fighting any war over there so for him yes he wants to solve the Iranian nuclear show but not through war maybe through sanctions or maximum pressure and secondly remember because of his hotline position addition because of his the boat and straightforward talks either to the media all over the conference in. He sometimes acted like he's as a secretary of state. Is that Mike Pompeo so this created opt to say some. I happy feelings between the two the people. US media even reported that to the were on at last days on the terms of not speaking to each other so remember pompeo is very loyal to President President trump trump. Obviously trust a Pompeo so those people at just as you know trump's added. Many people in my administration don't agree. Are you with John. Bolton not only me but also my people so that's one more resume to push him away but I mean looking back a what do you make of John Importance in impact on Americans foreign policy where didn't make the most difference I think because of the presence Sir of joined Bolton you see at one point of time there was almost a with Iran trump older the airstrike against Iran forces but in his own words just to be like ten minutes to go for the order to be effective. He called off the older so you see how dangerous is remember. Iran is not Iraq. If there's a wall you can say the will last like a God knows how many years remember Afghanistan. US hasn't been fighting for eighteen years and for the Iranians the big regional power they have a big influence in this region and did not have this of course the in the sense of like official military troops but also there's a revolutionary originally troops but also the support of many non-government organisations military organizations either in Lebanon or Syria or Iraq doc so that would be out of a very very difficult not to crack for the United States if there's a wall that would be costly that would be a a big big invite a burden on the shoulder of president trump so he called it off and I think when he looked back probably is sold the effects of John Bolton too much facts probably are his raking process so I'm in view this as a positive development in terms of US foreign policy positive from that's why you do see celebration for example experts on the issue experts experts on the current issue those experts that do celebrate the departure of John Bolton say at least a now. We are relieved because there's not going. I'm to be a war in the dealer is not going to be a war in the Persian Gulf War with the Iranians so people do see that people know oh you know it's like there's a in the right warning. Now is off at least the problem we were still there but people see yes there would be more talks probably back and forth and still there will be challenges ahead were difficult had but at least people are pretty sure there won't be a war at least least in the short time period of time. We'll be any changes in a way that form station conducts foreign policy moving ahead good point. I think it was the departure of joint boughten a a president trump will go ahead. Probably it's easier for him to restart the negotiation with say for example North Korea leadership and and even with some progress that's possible because of less opposition out within his administration remember at the very beginning in the uh-huh were beginning in Singapore for the first summit between trump and his northern part can join that took I stopped very first summit almost sabotaged by joined Bolton and also joined Bolton talk about this model that Tur- has greatly angered at the North Korean leader leadership basically if you re to the North Korean media the singled out join boughten to be left outside for the future discussion this I've joined bought in basically the idea is John Balding in their if join boating is with the team. AM is very difficult to make any progress and also people blame joined Baltin for the failure in a second Islamic Hanoi between trump and the conjoined conjoined because on the on the list on list of the names John was on there but at the last minute to bond showed up and so a summit failed and then naturally people blame him because his heart lung views on North Korea so with his departure hopefully we will see some progress in terms of US North Korea relationship and also probably the resolve of resolving of this nuclear issue in with Iran. Now what about Afghanistan foam himself said the talks is Taliban are now dead. This is a bait unclear because the trump said it. You know it's like okay. This is the end for solving this problem for negotiation but still people see that that's also proudly adorned Bolton was against the idea and the chief negotiator of the trump administration addition I guess you know him and other officials were continued to push for the idea for the dialogue Easter with the government all you do uh in a different framework for example with the government and also with the presence for Taliban officials how that instead of having a dialogue August loan with Afghanistan with Taliban officials so we don't know whatever happened but in general we can what we can get these like the you know. I think the US law is clear by military force alone they will not be able to solve this. Afghan issue and also it would not be easy for them to withdraw their troops unless there's agreement in one form or another and trump said he will announce a successor next week any any idea who might be on his list is a difficult one because right now it's joined Bolton was replaced by hates the deputy this guy is also considered it even more extreme than joined. Bolton hit talked publicly about a nuclear war Celica if it's about the death of more than one hundred million people probably is too costly for the US or Russia to too busy shoulder this burden but you've if we talk if we were talking about the death of millions of people like to millions of thoughts are like a US Russia. Yes they can accept it that it kind of result so this is itself is shocking. You talk about nuclear war. There's a very few probably choices right now because the if if you look at the traditional strategic thinkers all the military officials the AMMO. I don't think there's interest to work to join the trump administration because of this uncertainty because you never know you will be fired on twitter and also if you disagree with the president is avert difficult for you to have the position probably for more than a year. Thank you should enjoy our chief political analyst. You're listening to the world today today. We'll be back in a minute from breaking news stories that matter to you find us on twitter by searching for China Plus News where we'll share with your up to the minute use uh-huh in-depth analysis and livestream videos visit China plus news for your window on China and the world. You're listening to the world today. I'm joing the incoming European Commission President Salah Vonda Lyon has named her choices for the the European Union's new top team the people were on her list face some difficult challenges including handling the UK's exit from the twenty eight nation blog and a fight against climate change. The team will be the most gender diverse in European Union. His free was thirteen women and fourteen men Mon the Lion Promise to spearheaded geopolitical commission that will be a guardian for unilateralism she will officially replaced Commission Preston John Claude Juncker on November the first for more we are now joined on the line. Dr George to Gablers director of EU China programs and senior research fellow was International Center for European integration and so Dr Golfers. What's your takeaway from Monday alliance list of new European Union commissioners and were there any surprises. Thank you for having me to start with. I think it's important to focus on the nationality of the commissioner itself. I think that we are talking about the German lead Europe and this is now a R. N. evidence from the moment that person favored by America will succeed Mister there you go in the European Commission and at the same time you're talking about potential star prizes we should. I focus on the stop. Tzakda European the United States and the states themselves are the ones to make the decisions so in that regard they of the European Commission will be birthing but we're not to be the most important one in the EU forming furnishing policy making. I don't think that there are any surprises the prizes I think that UPN Commission will act according to plan but the experience from the last year suggest ask that Germany does not really have a vision about Europe and therefore. I'm not very optimistic that the official targets and tasks would be met in the next five years and then what do you see as the major tasks facing this new team you commissioner has got lot that she runs said it'll be in the union to protect the principal's seventy letters and free trade and most most important priority of course would be to how to deal with. Brexit brexit happened and obviously than Grayson crisis which is not openly discussed discussed right now in Europe. You certainly tolerance for the new a commissioner and a new cabinet ambassadors. I I think that also goes into relations with the economy. After nine. Socioeconomic crisis would be on the agenda and in regard I I expect the doctor commissioners on their the people of the German commission there too sexy meat and you're trying to work worked together in order to gain with all these challenges and or the input unpredictability in world affairs coming mainly from President Trump Phil Hogan has been nominated as the US new trade chief and immediately after his nomination he hit out at President Dole and forms trade policies and said he would try to make the US president see the Arafat's waves and abandoned some of the reckless behavior in relation to his relationship with China and describing Lina European Union as a security risk. So what can we expect in terms of ease future trade policy very very nice statements from the whole the whole gun thing. The question is asked to what extent he can bear shred president trump for that. This is the case indeed because the experience seems two thousand seventeen suggests that the president trump he's Zenda and therefore it is very talk sports team to change course in that regard. I started his unit. He's saying of course the European Union way attempt to sold auto American presidents dot the principles of them went out and free three should be preserved but it is not clear how American President will behave in the next month. I don't think that there is anyone in Europe right now who he's able to debate whether the American president wind impose tariffs or not it because you're the dime sent some threats then Jesus he's minding. It's not clear what will happen but certainly being human also on there as soon Hogan with them preserve their principles. I think that it's so so important for the European Union to act in accordance to the two thousand eighteen agreement understanding between President trump and for you commissioner as you care generally speaking these he's helping the bilateral relationship despite the current difficulties in Thailand and on the tariffs on I mean if the US designed to slap APP tariffs on all the incoming parts by mid-november because he judged that the the automotive imports are a threat to national security if America decided to do that how might Europe respond to that move well. I think that the next week's will be critical because most important the objective of the union will be to prevent American praising imposing those those targets. I'm saying this because the experience this the this is perseverance because the topics that you just this Gospel where I phone divy the American phrase then the first of two thousand and nineteen so very Steve Kerr possibility that will not happen but each other and in the end. I think that's when react the same way so I seem likely will take place acid is happening with with aside. I think that the union to do that and to the car and stages often relations suggest that these perfect will happen again. He does not invaders of the European Union to do that by contrast what he's interested in the interest of the European Union used to see to what extent you can reach a compromise with president trump in order to prevent that kind of and there is an agreement which was signed the inaugural thing in Washington. DC about the expert so American beef to Europe's instant but personally believe east more American. Eh exports to the Union can happen then possibly be American president will be interested in postponing again then the Palest- against the union so I mean we know the US and Japan are actually discussing this kind of deal where the agricultural market access traded for some industrial tariff reductions and the promise of immunity from the Auto Levy is steaming that Europe will likely to negotiate some similar alert on agreements was the US what is very good question is personal but at the same time if we look at the timetable. I think that more more time is required for this and what is happening right now. In the European Union the European Parliament needs to vote for the new commissioners. Ah Star Trek assuming universe in November and November means we only have twelve months and things they knew American eventual that election so I don't think that the time for company chance you've reached between the United States and union or very few already very good in interest of glasses but taking into account especially from 2021 words but it's interim deal with domestic politics I don't I don't think that we should be optimistic in that regard and also Margaret the vast sugar that you use compitition chief will be promoted to ex executive vice president with with an expanded bow in charge of regulating US tech companies and she has been dubbed the Tax Lady by President Trump trump and has done a shout record competition finds to Google how to read von Alliance choice for for this position. I think this this appointment is in line with the general priorities of the European Union to see how you can possibly benefit economically. Tony by the engagement off read these companies in the international market. these said disagreement between the European Union ending the United States was also using research and during the recent g seven summit in France so I expect that it'll be union again and will be cremated to preserve its own principles and not in in that regard it is here that the union is not AH anyone they're interested to make imperfectly sensors food the United States to extend that those concessions do harm harm its own interested in personally opened market more for the United States but not the kind of contentions because coast American phrase threatening European with tariffs so I expect continuity in that regard and I think that this is generally speaking a line the von Dhillon has promised that the next European Commission will be geopolitical and Guardian for multilateralism and she said her commission would quote though the partnership with the United States definer relations with a more self assertive China and be a reliable neighbour wash. What should we make of these starting with the second point out the Gardner from what I think that the European Union imposed doc regard would act I after he from last year's Copa to collaborate with other countries across the northern to foster international cooperation but as far as you are concerned I would be a AH pessimistic regarding future off you know being union again. Rookie ought to be experienced from the US eat. These overuse of the European Union cannot play three year geopolitical road because the general commitment to defense affairs remain remain at large early meted now as far as China he's going to get a union Rawlins to grow appropriate with China but also it's own agenda which sees you connectivity agenda program. I think that the European Union and wants more access to the Chinese market. There's some other negotiations between the two sides and I think they knew cabinet in brasses with implement that these addenda now another challenge is important concern related to the potential enlargement selfish thing Europe up and boy comes out. This is not practically only James. Duh host the European Union and the main reason. I'm saying these that name when Birkin countries share the comply with sorry to interrupt to you Mr Dr Georgia Gulf is director of e you Jonah programs a senior research fellow with the International Center for European integration. This is world. Today's stay with us. 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Chiaki UvA is poised to succeed Christine Lagarde as managing director of the IMF after the board of the washington-based multilateral lender said on Monday. She was too so contender for the job. The sixty six year old Bulgarian served as Chief Executive of the World Bank since early two thousand seventeen for more on this we are now joined on the line by Dr Hans Peter Berkoff Professor Esser and chair of the banking and funds department at University of Home Heim in Germany so good evening. Thanks for joining us. I mean I oh tell us more about Kristalina Yogi elasticity well. She's a very interesting person who played many different roles in life she did grew up in communist this Bulgaria and just being professor and teaching there but very only had a keen interest on typically personally seemingly environmental class who put out a PhD see this on environment policies and I just think and then when the eastern counties did open up to the world they did use a child's anti I in science but then in politics and international institutions the global world so they got something like a second socialization so it's very competent person person to person that's got lots of experience said it'd be great diplomat which is maybe very important and to act. We've got grown tension to have somebody who's really bringing people together but I'm s longtime a World Bank official. I guess she's more experienced in developments than in dinning was perhaps the financial initial troubles in Advanced Countries how my dad effect is work with. I'm not sure really too because he's got lots of experience. He played the very important role in European Union about associate dealt also with developed countries and she's got this strong focus on environment environmental questions so who brings in a whole sad of competence so I would not be a fair that the city doesn't know much about if he's tough enough sometimes have to be in the F. I don't know but on the other hand even if I'm too has to be tough on the country's policy trying to help. Maybe she's easier to to tells US Polisena soft way bring people to accept it then somebody who just says these conditions are don't get any help so maybe there's kind of a diplomatic automatic. Approach might be better than I am. I know many countries had problems with them very unhappy about interference and maybe she can get this tangent a little bit lower. Her Vegas Challenges Ahead Against this backdrop of global economic slowdown well. I think they're still L. Debt crisis roaming in some countries and these debt crisis canopy sold is key economic economy in the in many countries slows don especially in southern Europe so I'm afraid if that problem is still on the table and might come back on the table urgently in the next two years and I guess guess another biggest challenge for her would be Argentina because abreast and Mauricio Macri is likely to be replaced by the populist challenger Bertel commanders in the upcoming election and finance help said he will seek to renegotiate the agreement with the IMF any idea how he's going to do doc personally I haven't but I I'm sure solutions whereas a substance remains and that's what's missing scale really take take care for us you can take away the substance of reforms which embedded in these kind of measures and on the other hand to give something to Miss President Mockery sorry to tooth found this becomes president and in the way that he can show something to the public those thoughts that he's got some success of the populist again. This might be either Argentina's in africom speaking with a little bit. The global community doesn't look so closed Argentina's so they'll might be easier to find it might be to find a compromise to give something but on the other end to receive something might be good for both I am. F- because there's some of the ball and for Argentina yes but actually we know there have long been some critics Somalian the Argentine public on both the skill and design alone and actually actually not only in Argentina. Many people are criticizing that. IMF's programs often calls for fiscal tightening that will push the economy into recession session so the argued that the IMF is actually hurting the country's that claims to help. I mean from your perspective. How how do you look at. IMF approach is is especially with regard to his guilty of. I didn't see that she would deviate from this policy. I didn't read anything about that. She's got different approach more soft approach okay so in substance. I think it will remain the same inform might be good might become easier so that might be ways to make the same pame measures look more complacent and maybe there's some might be some soft or some sweetness through my introducing. These kind of policy is teen. Pop tapped zapped if it's enough or if you stay in this criticism also. I'm I don't know but as I said great diplomat might help to get things through in a way that those par both sides prophet and that for both sides acceptable see thank you Dr Hans Feeder Berkow professor and chair of the banking and Finance Department at University University of Hometime in Germany coming up Jonah scraps foreign investment quotas on stock and bond markets. This is world today. Stay with us. Hi this is taken the today's show extra local and international perspectives on China's canonic and business issues having been in law government and finance in the United States. I find China's economic political evolution fascinates and hope you do. 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Regular has decided to remove quota restrictions on the dollar dominated qualified foreign institutional investor master scheme and has dominated denominated sibling the arche the move will make much more convenient for overseas investors to participate in China's domestic financial markets and the future qualified foreign institutional investors in the two programs but only need to register to remit funds runs independently for security investments for more on this my colleague. John earlier spoke was Paul Gillies professor of practice at Gung-ho School of Management Eh Peking University and Noble Professor at the Business School of University of International Business and economics so we know that Koufi set up up into southern to let him funds investor invest arm shaw in China's yuan denominated Asia's and our acuity program introduced into into southern eleven gives investors access to offshore embiid to buy mainland traded stocks so why has the government moved to remove the quota now and what does it me info the overseas investors. This is really a steady pace of liberalizing the Chinese financial market and right now. L. China is facing downward pressure economic growth and also extra pressure in the creek war entangled with the united the United States so to shore up the economic growth resilience. is an important drought job and now also so to respond to some of the external demand not only from the United States but also from Europe and many other countries that are dealing with China China they did meant a freer flow of the monetary funds in many ways so this is really another big step from China to liberalize the financial market. I'm plus that China as in terms of management skills in terms of the not only from the government also from the market players are sophisticated enough to address rush more of the inflow of foreign investment to fill to the need particularly the initial the debt market and also the stock doc market and by the move is part of the government's efforts to further open up the country's financial markets but what other measures have already been taken to open up the financial markets in the past two years China first of all they gave more leeway for the armed beat to to fluctuate with a wider corridor so that more market-driven now in terms of the exchange rate setting reading and also we further push for for the international they shouldn't be and also have the China the oil index marketing arm bait and now agree to allow more of the funds into China into into house more of to how the logger part of equity positions for foreing investments into the financial service sector Sir like bank and the insurance companies so it's a pardom also about it is really a progressive movement with much towards the further opening of the entire financial market in and Paul so some Alice have said that in the long run this move will attract. It's more overseas funds to invest in China's Asia Marcus so it's the Asia markets attractive for overseas investors and have we seen foreing investors play a an increasingly prominent role in China stock markets. While will this be a trend. I think foreign institutional investors can can hardly ignore a China because it's grown from insignificance into one of the world's largest stock market. and foreign investors are good for the market because they tend to be disciplined investors who who's strong analysis rather than trading on rumors which which happens too much with China's individual investors so much on what are some of the other reforms that needed for China stock market well. I think I'm more broadly. It is really the the confidence in those investors by maintaining a reasonable level of growth right and the other is that to control inflation because if the inflation goes to a high investors are getting more did Haresh of the real return on their investment and and then the financial transparency of those companies that are being listed and then also a equal fooding in terms of the competition between US foreign firms and Chinese firms so that the market becomes more more dynamic and then you know of course less restrictions by the regulators is always something that is welcome and now the the rule of law to address the the issues and to address the bankruptcy also so very important to give further confidence for the long term planning of Asset Management for international investors and impose a actually the government has deregulated the capital and Bang Huma his to give foreign investors greater access and in April last year Beijing lifted a limits limits giving foreign brokers majority control of their mainland ventures and last month the asset management unit of J. P. Morgan Chase become the I a foreign institution to take control of a Chinese asset management firm. So what does all this me in for the Chinese financial industry. Particularly legallais is domestic players. Do you think they will be facing more competition. Will fierce competition well opening up the markets does increase competition. Shen for China's local investment banks but I think they're ready for that competition what we're seeing as a leveling of the playing field but I think the the local teams are are ready to play against anybody now so I think what this will do is probably actually improve the the quality investment banking and financial management in China so about what do you think about the competition brought by foreign players. Here's I think now they Chinese the financial institutions the banks or insurance companies or on management firms arms they are already sophisticated enough and they have also bill close partnerships with foreign counterparts so far so It's not really a very dramatic breast into the compensation as a matter of fact. There's more they can really work together. Instead of you know engage in head on confrontation and now also was more of the inflow all of those foreign financial institutions the brought together for example a whole cluster of services for example the you know many indexes indicts the company is for the Ms Ms i finished and Standard Pool Bloomberg Broccoli ugliest extra they are also there so there's again also helped Chinese financial institutions to learn more about the development of the global market of a grasp of all more opportunities and then they can even work 'cause it's tap into global the local market price beyond Chinese market and John so we talk a lot about you know the Chinese government. Was it dude what he did to further opening buzney obvious financial sectors but what else could they do. I think now they transparency as I said it's offering ordering border so this gave more certainty in the calculation of investment for for their asset. Masher and also still got a to ensure that the companies are able to all threat more transparently on the stock market on the intertwined minded relationship was the headquarters particularly for Asa. Lees very important then the other. Is that the debt market. suddenly you know the the local governments are really the main players now in the Chinese that market last month they have been release of like eight hundred bit in Detmar. Okay so. How can we really ensure that? Each of the local government are offering transparency. I also offer more over the guaranteed to fill up the confidence of investors so that's something very important and Paul actually recently nearly one thousand and one hundred a-share companies war aw incorporated into the SNP emerging market index BMI and so far three Global Index comp- compilers MSE I s and p Dow Jones and footsie Russell or have added factors Chinese Asia into their indexes. So what do all these changes. He's tells us for the inclusion of China's as here's in so many will rent China's become a major player in the global economy. Many fun benchmark their performance against these indexes throw up they don't hold Chinese equities their performances likely to deviate from the index course it means they might perform better if they don't follow the index but there's a great risk that they can perform worse and if they perform worse as likely shortens the careers of the fund managers yeah so Bochum do agree with Paul so what do orders you know the SNP Dow Jones and footsie rational addition or inclusion of China's a-shares. What does this tell us a gift the financial analysis before they really they make the investment decisions certain benchmark for them to equate to their colors in in financial decisions and also that game a a a sort of the forecast of what is really lying the hat because this interest follow very closely and also they make predictions of what is lying next and then the they they companies particularly those you know the for example UNICORNS and Spectra the grew up in in explosive also thrust so to keep a close watch of what they have been performing and this really off. I A hundred important service toes global investors the this really bridge there channel to the a global financial markets. That's about shown professor at the Business School of University of International Business and Economics and Paul Gillies professor of practice so at Gung-ho School of Management at Peking University speaking with my colleague John. You're listening to today. 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This is the first time that a judge in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba actually had set a trial date for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other the four men charged with plotting the attacks judge w Hsien Cohen an air force colonel who took over the case in June set the trial should begin on January story the eleven to twenty one ahead of the twentieth anniversary of the event. Although a number of other deadlines need to be met before the long delay trial could begin. It's been eighteen years since the attacks. Why has it been so hard to set a trial date and what has changed as a result of eighteen year long war war on terror and Johnny Meena. CEO With my colleague Wannian so Khalid Sheikh Mohammed seeing shortly after his capture during a two thousand Srey raid eight in Pakistan is accused of masterminding the September eleven terrorist attacks. Why is it that he and other terrorists still haven't faced trial. I think I we need to understand the legal proceedings have been extraordinary complex the defense lawyers a mix of civilian and military attorneys his fouling hundreds of motions crushing the conduct of US authorities in their apprehension then detention and treatment of the suspects I I 's secret sites in Thailand Poland and then subsequently Guantamano. This is the first time that a judge in the case actually set a a start of trial date people. Ask Me why is still going on in the family of the victims said No. It hasn't started yet this time the five defendants including Muhammad a senior Al Qaeda figure who has portrayed himself as a mastermind of the eleven nine eleven attacks and an other terrorist plot the needing men who was described by the reports as a principal architect of those attacks and I quote I was responsible responsible for the nine eleven operation a Tuesday according to a news report by The New York Times he and four other men were captured in Pakistan Costano in two thousand and two and two thousand three the CIA then helps them in the secret prison network of black sites where the United States is tortured is prison is prisoners with waterboarding sleep deprivation and other abuse before delivering them afterwards that period has complicated the past to a trial and leading onto the years of complicated rehearse hearings and other procedures and never remains go to the trial military commission proceedings began in two thousand twelve but have moved at a snail's peace with more than thirty pretrial L. Herrings an endless procedure government most over the treatment in captivity and whether evidence Khalid using enhanced interrogation Harry gration tactics was a usable so in the latest setback the military judge who has overseen the case since its inception step down now his replacement has rate up to twenty thousand pages of transcripts plus an unknown number of classified records so witnesses. Mrs Have died lawyers have gone load and victims. Families patients have been sorely tested. The delay is in part of a reflection of the difficulty difficulty. The military has had in carrying out prosecutions in judicial system that was created in response to the nine eleven attacks. Well President Trump said on Monday. The peace talks was touted were dead after he council the secret meeting at Camp David. What can you tell us about the peace talks talks most since last year the two sides have held a discussions or a potential agreement that is focused on four key issues a tallymen men guarantee that it will not allow foreign armed groups and fighters to use Afghanistan as launch pat to conduct a tax outside the country the complete withdrawal of us and Natto forces and intro Afghan dialogue and a permanent ceasefire the withdrawal of US troops Mussa from Afghanistan has been sticking point in the meetings between the two sides the Taliban insist it would not commit to anything and to the US announces a withdraw Tom Line and wants the troop outside the country within just months and the fabulous worry the UN sad civilian deaths is reached a record high in twenty in two thousand eighteen is that more than thirty two thousand two civilians had in total being killed in the pasta decades so trump now faces a difficult choice he can go ahead without negotiated an agreement and reduce the number of American forces in Afghanistan from currently forty thousand to about eighteen to about eight thousand so it's very tricky but last night a suicide car bomb killed an American soldier and eleven others so this attack infuriated Mr trump who said he then called off a meeting with Taliban and the Afghan Afghan leaders there is a long dragged war so he I'm sure wanted to wanted his soldier out and the president's adds a it was not Americans reckons military road to secure the world he said we would like to get out but we will get out at the right time well the the security situation in Afghanistan does not look positive and early on Wednesday Iraq had exploded near the US embassy in Kabul and president trump still signal that he would it was rolled the US troops from Afghanistan and I mean what where is the conflict going and what. What are we likely to see happen. Well I would like to to quickly look at what's happening that that day so the rocket exploded at the US embassy Afghantistan on the same day off the the anniversary of nine eleven and fortunately they official says there were no injuries but this was the first major attack in the Afghan capital since the trump donald trump cough the US Taliban talks over the weekend so this is a very tricky movement and right now they are about fourteen thousand US troops remain so trump definitely wanted them out because of the prolonged talks and also because of the dreaded warp did you to a lot of deaths and deaths in the American army so but now it's not very clear whether the US Taliban talks we're resume. We'll definitely keep keep on track of this thing. Yes thank you WANNA win. That's all the time we have for this edition of World Today. I'm joing. Thank you so much for listening uh-huh

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WH nightmare? Ex=aide John Bolton ready to testify

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WH nightmare? Ex=aide John Bolton ready to testify

"We have a big show and an exclusive guest tonight Rudy Giuliani's name appearing hundreds of times an impeachment testimony as he hires three new lawyers. We'll get into that later. A molar witness. This makes her first ever appearance on the beat tonight. This comes as witnesses take the stand in the trial of Donald Trump's longest serving adviser Roger Stone Chuck was just discussing with his panelists. We have exclusive on that tonight and later new reports about trump's plans for leaving the White House they involve television. So we'll get to that but we begin with new cracks in trump's defense to impeachment as an aide to vice president pence knocks the infamous Ukraine call and John Bolton is ready to defy trump and talk back to the impeachment probe that is trying to end trump's presidency the new testimony coming in tonight from a top State Department official George Kent Accounting Trump specific the civic demands that Ukraine carry out the political investigations. He wanted recounting. How another now? Famous witness Ambassador Sahlin said trump wanted nothing in less than president listened Alinsky to go to the microphone and say Investigations Biden and Clinton can also telling Congress that fact showed the entire effort it was to initiate politically motivated prosecutions that were injurious to the rule of law and was Alinsky going to step up to the Mike and Announce that times is now reporting according he was two days away from doing on TV then the US aid money started flowing and they cancelled the interview today. Key to Mike Pence also testified behind closed doors. This is the person who would have been responsible for ensuring pence knew what happened on the calls. The Washington Post reports and the aide says the call was not political and not normal. Romell I should say was political and was not a normal diplomatic call now. All those witnesses are notable more for what they say who they are there. There's another key witness in the middle of all of this impeachment. Ven Diagram John Bolton a famous Hawk with credentials that range from Fox News to the Bush Whitehouse to yes the trump White House and he's a potentially devastating impeachment witness given these credentials and they reportedly devastating objection to the Ukraine bribery plot that he issued in real time former national security adviser. John Bolton characterize the attempt to get Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden as a drug-dealing Bolton described Rudy. Giuliani as a quote handgrenade. Who's going to blow? Everybody up. Did Not face the investigators. There's today but this is what's rattling trump world reports that show. He is now willing to defy trump and testify. As long as it quote court clears clears the way with a lot in the show. I want to begin on this piece of the breaking news with the daily Beast Margaret Carlson and Jason Johnson from the Root Dot Com. Good evening to both. Are you leaving. Aric Margaret your view of what we have here in the layer cake. I would argue some some cake. That is not fully fully famous so whether people know and believe Mr Kent as a matter of some debate rising all the way up to the John Bolton frosting someone that is a bright red bushy and Fox News and Trumpian frosting. What does it mean if he publicly turns on trump in this probe right so you have this delicious cake over here which is composed of the deep state? The radical unelected bureaucrats is trump refers to them who work for chump change. Nobody ever thinks them they they don't they don't look for gratitude and it's good because they're never gonna get it until now when they come forward and one of the pictures I like are a is the one one in which the Capitol Hill Police Act is an honor guard as some of them have walked into the capital of the ones who were deposed. These are unimpeachable witnesses. They they only have a stake. In representing the country not in representing trump now as trump represented himself but just in the country. And they're I mean. Don't you find like discovering their resumes. How what they've done with their lives? It's it's enough to to make you want to do something to say. Thank you but you really can't and then you have you do have the shiny objects over here the frosting is you say and the you know. The idea of Bolton has now joined with his assistant Charles Kupperman in the lawsuit not the lawsuit but asking the court to decide they have to do And you know Bolton will be a mixed bag I mean nobody neither neither Republicans or Democrats quite know now what he will say because he's a political appointee and they go you know however however the wind blows ways I mean he'll tell the truth but the truth will be as he sees it as he sees it to Margaret's point. Jason Bolton is someone who is a star witness in the traditional traditional sense of the word because he's one of the more known individuals as I mentioned whether he is a star witness for what Adam Schiff and the Democrats want to illustrate is unknown because Mr Bolton could ultimately turn and say I warned them against the drug deal. I said this was terrible. Yada Yada but he might actually actually. It's still land. On where some other establishment avent conservatives have landed which is criticizing and then arguing ultimately against the radical with constitutionally radical remedy of impeach appeasement humint conviction and removal. You got you got Taylor. You've got Bolton cake cake cake it's it's not even Nancy Pelosi's birthday right but this is the perfect list of witnesses to come forward for the Democrat. Are you saying we're going to party like it's your birthday Jason. We're GONNA party or like how now here. So here's the thing and this is really important for. I think the public to understand here. The list of people who are coming out even with John John Bolton who everyone knows is going to be a volatile this is a setup. The Democrats have laid out a group of people who they know are going to be a fire lineup for the public to see they know that these people sound like they're really responsible. They know that these people don't sound particular partisan so at that point. Let's say John Bolton comes in at the end if he sounds like a crazy flame thrower iffy be sounds like Corey Lewandowski. He's going to end up looking like the outlier because everybody else is going to have these sober responsible ways telling the story so this is this is fantastic for the Democratic Credit Party. Right now and then Margaret. I WANNA give credence here or at least coverage to what we're seeing. Every trial has two sides every case has two sides the Republican side we've reported reported has often been really vague or really confused. You do you go full Mulvaney then you walk it back. Fox News Steve. doocy report last night. They said well if there was proof that the money was conditioned on the probe that would be off the rails wrong that he reversed himself but we are seeing evolution in the offense. I want to show Chairman Grassley. It was a long time. Republican is saying well look the Obama Administration how we have to look into whether they took any policy decisions related to Ukraine and Barista the Biden company where they improperly influenced -fluenced by the financial interests of those Biden family members. That seems to be a way to kind of go in the way back. Machine changes subject to the past administration Margaret. Well there's so many diversions are you just can't keep up with them. You know Lindsey Graham being one of the worst lately which is to to say you know like a toddler. I'm not I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not listening to anything. I don't want to hear anything you have to say now. He said that because he's a juror in the Senate that might be one thing. But he's saying it because there's nothing that that trump will tolerate from Lindsey Graham when Lindsey Graham complained about what was happening to the Kurds he he quickly found a reason to back off. That trump calls him scares him puts puts the fear of God into him and then he backs off and this is what they all do. Steve we do see there is something about trump that makes grown men quake in their boots and Senator Dole's in Girona grown up. Uh or or a toddler thing you know. In order to comply with trump's wishes senator Kennedy said last night about Nancy Pelosi which I'm not going to repeat you know Senator Kennedy can sometimes be you know. Like a normal Percy folks see we kind of like him but that was something something he said because trump was there and he had to play trump by trump's rules. Right and you're out you're really talking about if it gets to the Senate how out of those senators feel caught between this president his tactics a looming election and their constituents who they two thirds of the Senate won't be facing this cycle but in right who were four years. What history do I want to tell everyone the rules of the road here? Because we've got so much news just this first segment. I'M GONNA keep moving Margaret Carlson. Thank you as always appreciate you being in your Jason Stay with me for breaking news from Twenty Twenty spokesperson for Michael Bloomberg tonight as we were coming on the air saying Mike Bloomberg is is now planning to file for the Alabama twenty twenty presidential primary sending staffers to Alabama to get the requisite signatures to qualify for that primary. This is significant because it has a Friday deadline for the candidates to get on the ballot to be able to enter the race. Jason this is a real thing sometimes in politics there is the press conference. There is the leak there is all of the theater. This is the opposite. This is a campaign we have just learned tonight really in a more a clear way than ever before has meticulously been counting every deadline and has decided in this seemingly random state of Alabama with the first deadline. Mike Bloomberg is seriously considering getting in and he could run against a Democratic candidates view. I don't know where these people are getting the idea that they should run whereas the clamor across the United States of America for a Mike Bloomberg candidacy and this is a problem that I think the Democrats are going to have to figure out. They need to figure out the difference between the money donors who are in New York were in DC. Who may be in Chicago and what the Party is actually saying if you Combine Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren which I know lots of people on twitter? Will I'd be mad about but if you put Bernie Sanders worn together about forty percent of the primary population. Want someone who is progressive. Want someone who's dynamic if you look at Cory Booker and Hooghly on cost Pasta. These guys were five minutes from being that campaign and raise two million dollars over a ten day period because people wanted to hear their progressive voices. No one's calling for Mike Bloomberg at all all he can show up in Alabama. Let me let me get you one more point on that and then I'm gonNA turn back to other news on on the impeachment central so we got a lot happening right now. I think the argument here and the reason reason why this is big news tonight Viewer of this show. We'll know we don't jump at just any little random political twenty twenty development it is significant that someone with this much money who has one in a blue state who has won against the odds before who waited. Which means Mike Bloomberg? Whatever his polling whatever's apparatus he wasn't out in the beginning just throwing money around Jason he clearly has a team that survey this field that has watched. I think it's fair to say a growing concern over Joe Biden Bloomberg fitting more into that lane. Then then as you say a Bernie Warren Lane and is not necessarily yet thinking that anyone else at a couple of months out from Iowa has a lock not much much of a different story. Michael Bloomberg and Tom Star Star has been out there longer. I mean I know these guys grow up saying you know when I grow up I WANNA be the President United States. Well that's wonderful but it doesn't mean that you actually have have grassroots support. You can hire all the best consultants that you want. But it doesn't mean that you actually fit in with. The public has voted for and I think the Democratic Party of the whole has got to figure out this lesson. They've got to figure out what the public actually wants. Not just what. They think their money classes calling for his and to your point is my Bloomberg Longstanding Democrat. Not recently no no not recently and plus. He's he's coming out of New York. He's got a sort of media empire that goes with him in theory on paper. That sounds like someone great to run against Donald Trump but if you don't have the sort of grassroots support that you need if you haven't been out there even the way Tom Steyer has been in Florida and Georgia and other places. You're not going to be able to galvanize the important constituencies that you need. I think you make important points there about thinking through the entire holistic grassroots perspective with the Democratic Party as a piece of news news I could just say it is a huge deal that someone with Bloomberg's background and war chest is now looking at getting in. What does that do to scramble? Potentially the Democratic race Jason Johnson appreciate your view on those two different stories. Thank you we keep barreling along here back to impeachment. This is another thing we want to get to and I have to special guests that we're about to turn to consider this news. The man that Donald Trump has repeatedly turned to in these investigations into his presidency is Attorney General Bill Bar News breaking in the Washington Russian. Posted trump asked him to hold a press conference at the president's potentially improper request to clear Donald Trump in the middle of the Ukraine scandal bar quote ultimately declined to do so according to this new report in The Washington Post. That is a break from other times. What Mr Bar has jumped at the chance to publicly defend? Spend his boss. Mr Trump using the credibility of the independent Justice Department in ways many legal experts condemned the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed and obstruction of justice offense. The president was frustrated and angered bird by his sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency. The bottom line was that Bob Muller identified some episodes. Hey did not reach. A conclusion wasn't exonerating the president but he wasn't finding a crime. Either was my prerogative. As Attorney General to make that decision Asian a big story and we turn to to experts former federal prosecutor. John Flannery and Matt Miller who worked at the Justice Department under Eric Holder. Good evening folks. Good evening Mr Flannery. What does this story mean to you? Well I guess trumps of the view that hey twice. This guy's taking care of me killed the Mola the report and then he's investigating the investigation but what he should have studied was that great. American philosopher Clint Eastwood ought to know his limitations. Then I think bar looks at this and he says you know that stonewall it seems like it's crumbling falling down the walls of Jericho and maybe I don't want to do any more of this. And so oh he standing back I mean some people would like to believe he such an ethical presence that he wouldn't do this improper thing but the people come within the ambit of trump all due and proper. Do things at some time or other and bar is no angel as evidenced by both the clip. You showed what he's been doing since and for all we know we have ninety three. US attorneys all Rumer toadies to whatever he wants to have happen to protect the president. While he's the attorney general so I think this is show of the weakness of the President President that the air is going out that people are coming forward who we consider properly as patriots who are telling us the truth about this corrupt deal of bribery and misconduct. They're all at the expense of the Ukraine's very interesting question with a follow up for you. Okay in your timing. The Justice Department when you were of course on day to day speaking terms with the Attorney General Eric. Are you involved in all sorts of things did you ever you get a request from President Obama on any topic. No there'd be fair you know. President Obama was never the subject of multiple criminal investigation. So it's a little apples apples to oranges. Well it isn't it isn't there. Were people that I'm sure. The president may have had a personal view that is to say over eight years Rocco bomb. Tom Like Donald Trump as a human being might have thought. God Yeah. I'd like this or that to go away or Gosh. I'm running for reelection. But you're telling me that you're not aware of that. That call Paul ever being request. No I mean we. We've the White House and the Justice Department both during the Obama Administration respected the traditional boundaries. Between between the two buildings between the two entities. And that is you. Don't talk about criminal investigations and that rule is kind of times times of multiple when it's a criminal investigation involving someone in right. How important thing well that goes? So let me draw you out on that. That goes to point one. which is the very request from the sitting? President in this manner is out of the ordinary and many experts would say flat improper to ask for it. Then we get to number two matt. What do you think is your steeped in these things that a lot of people don't think about which is okay? What does the egg and the DOJ? What do they do when they get pressure? How do they do with it? How they documented people now know from call me and what he tried to do? What is your view of how we're learning about this and what it means that Bill Maher or who as John said would go over other lines won't go over this one? Well I think there are two possibilities and it's hard to know which one is the theory that John Advanced. which is you know? Look Look Bill. Bar has put his reputation on the line and taking a hit for the president before and this was just a bridge too far to this this load was too heavy carry. He's not wanting to damage his reputation again. The end by doing this for the president. But then there's another explanation which is that there is something that the Justice Department is worried about. I go back to the fact that they decided not to open invest a full investigation into this phone call and they made that decision not in a vacuum but they made that decision when with the fact that there were already conducted investigation into Rudy Guiliani and his two colleagues for their activities in Ukraine. You didn't get this phone call where the president is telling the president of Ukraine to talk to her Giuliani. In the normal course of events. You wouldn't just close it based on a narrow legal legal view which is what they did. You would take a full look at all that and so I think the other possibility is not just that bar. Didn't I WANNA take a hit for the president but that they are worried about the decision they made and that you know if the president was talking to him about this press conference that the president or someone else in the White House was talking to the attorney general about the underlying criminal investigation itself. And they're worried about having to defend that and that becoming public that's fascinating and John. You raise what Mr Bars. I was done in the past on multiple issues including you know calling lawful investigations and surveillance techniques calling them spying using other methods. Take a quick look at some of that John. I am reviewing the conduct of the investigation and trying to get my arms around all the the aspects of the counterintelligence investigation we should be worried about whether government officials abused abused their power and put their some on the scale. We have to look at that. I think there's spying did occur. Spying cur- John. Well you know the thing about. This is the conflict that we haven't discussed. which is the bar is at the center of the conversations involving Ukraine and he has an investigation instigation? That some of US looked at as trying to prepare the president for the presidential race by saying that first investigation didn't work and he's is in the middle of the second investigation he was supposed to go and meet with the Ukrainians he and Rudy Giuliani. And the more ever evidence that we get and so he may Ab staying back. Not only because the White House doesn't have the power in the even within the Republican Party. That had had particularly after Kentucky and Virginia the other night but he also has has this problem himself personally and why and how he could possibly be in a position to clear the president on offense which he is implicated in in by the very telephone conversations. And the readout is beyond me. It's a corrupt then. Both of you have made points that would would necessitate in any normal normal time a special counsel to deal precisely with this situation where the president named checks attorney general in a potentially criminal international plot to help steal the next election. I know it sounds bad when I say it out loud like that. But that's literally what's under investigation Flannery and Miller reporting for duty. Thanks to both the free. Cheer you we have a lot more on this. Show the new revelations about Giuliani's role as he lawyers up with three new members of his team. Key witness testifying about trump collusion and Russia and wikileaks. We have an exclusive interview on that all out of the Rogers don't trial and Donald Trump thinking about what he might do after the White House includes a new. TV show all that that plus I have a special announcement later in the show. Amari Melby watching the bean on. MSNBC CONTOUR from Cox has all your favorites favourite's all in one place and with the contour remote you can use your voice to fund them on live TV on demand and streaming APPs like netflix prime video and more see sea-cocks dot com for details. Tonight Rudy Giuliani facing even more heat. As newly released testimony puts him at the center of this Ukraine scandal. People slamming his campaign of lies and incorrect information testimony needed. It was clear. Guiliani had influence on the president about Ukraine. All this comes as Guiliani faces. A criminal investigation is lawyering up adding three new members to his team team including Robert Casella. Who at one time was his intern at the SDN? Why Salata Heat Guiliani is at the center? Now of course with two probes. Here's here's a simple way to measure the pressure on the impeachment side of the probe. Only a minority of depositions been released thus far and Giuliani's already cited over four hundred and thirty times. Life's a lot. How is he responding? Well he's claimed everything that he did was to defend his client on trump line. He was using on TV back when he did TV interviews. Why am I doing or cancer? Figure it out. I'm his defense lawyer. I was seeking in the best tradition of being a lawyer or Defense Lawyer to vindicate my client using the best inches of my client unravel the corruption in Ukraine would again to all this with a former prosecutor when we're back in just thirty seconds we're back with federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner You know you. Scratching scratching your head and a lot of people are scratching their head in America. Right now right you caught you call me. They're good that's good. That's all you're doing. It's a metaphor for how we try to understand. What the heck is is going on with Mr Giuliani? As I reported he went from saying he doesn't need a lawyer too tiring. Three and being cited constantly this impeachment probe probe What's happening you know? It really seems like Giuliani has got so much criminal exposure potentially you know when you see the Parnassus and the freemen's of the world getting locked up you know. Those are charges that had to be approved or at least not not stop by a Var so that tells me bar may be willing to go so far in helping the president didn't but maybe not all the way. So when we heard reported Ari that Parnasse is now saying he is inclined to talk with some of the House. House committees that to me sure looks like a step on the road to possible cooperation. I have to say that if if Rudy Giuliani is not charged. It's sure going to smell like bar putting his thumb on the Scales and we'll have to see how barbell `bout far bars willing to go. Well I would say well. We just don't know if we're there yet. We have to see all the evidence and what happens. I would note attorney in New York. Here Mr Berman has has really been aggressive. In every case he's come up against even those with pressure Whether you look at the Michael Cohen case or Jeffrey Epstein people remember it for the suspicious vicious death in custody which was under the Federal Bureau of Prisons but but that case was brought even with whatever the administration Mister Bernardi and now the investigation into Guiliani ongoing. I WanNa ask you about something. That's not specific to Guiliani but relates. which is Do you find that lawyers make to make for good clients science or difficult clients so I was a prosecutor for thirty years. I never had a client other than the community and the American people But I have to believe lawyers. There's make lousy clients. They are going to want to second guess. I think lawyers make tough clients. Doctors notoriously make difficult patients. And so that's not just Giuliani. On top of the reasons why viewers know he might make an extra difficult client review from his reporting on his search for attorneys spent weeks even though he knows all the lawyers in New New York at his level finding a lawyer who would represent Guiliani Four. Prominent attorneys reportedly declining for various reasons. Lawyer's concerned Giuliani known to have difficulty delegating. Aiding would try to manage his own case Glenn yet that and I wonder how much money Rudy Giuliani has in reserve to pay his as lawyers. Because let me tell you the kind of lawyers who are going to contemplate taking on Rudy. Giuliani as a client are not going to do it on the cheap so that you know maybe some of the Behind the scenes concerns that some of these lawyers have before wading into the sort of defensive rudy. Giuliani yeah and that goes to something else. which is if Giuliani's defense is even partially true and he took these actions on behalf of Donald Trump Donald trump's personal interest? He's not a government attorney. Then he did a lot of pro bono work for trump that's now costing him a lot of money. Yeah sorry I'm losing you hear a little bit. Yeah what I said. Wasn't that important. So here's the thing I heard most of what I know how it is with with audio. That's on us. You give us your final thought. Big Picture final thoughts are if Rudy Giuliani is charged. There's nowhere to go but up and I have to believe rather than running the risk of ending ending up in the Federal Bureau of prisons where he put so many people when he was A. US Attorney he's GonNa Sing Fascinating and a lot riding riding on that. Investigation Glenn Kirschner. Thanks for putting up with us. Thanks for joining the beat tonight. Sir Thank you appreciate you coming up. Donald Trump is already exploring exploring post White House plans including a potential new reality. Show can't make it up but first we have a lot more serious news including major developments in this in this trial trial. Roger Stone longtime trump advisor. We have a very special guest coming up who has testified before Muller now for the first time we'll face the beat exclusive next. Today these sitting presidents longest-serving adviser is on trial for several felonies Lanese for allegations relating to how president was elected. This is the legal finale that began with that dramatic twenty eighteen arrest. When trump adviser Roger Stone became and the last known trump associate ever arrested in the Mueller? Probe this now includes case a former Muller prosecutor pushing evidence this week week arguing. President trump basically misled. Bob Muller a potential crime. Obviously this would normally be the top story in the nation. Everything I just listed did off but these are not normal times only now. Do we turn in this broadcast to the trial of Roger Stone. It started with a bang allegations that Roger Stone Talk to Donald Trump twice during the campaign which is contrary to trump's testimony to Miller and it continued today with prosecutors laying out evidence in texts designed. I'm to show that stone tampered with a witness. The tax range from potential jokes to potential threats to references to the press and even the beat and the man stone claimed claimed as his back channel to wikileaks at one point. Randy Credito took the stand testifying under oath that he was not the back channel to wikileaks. If any of that that sounds familiar it may be because credit go made that claim right here on the beat one of several interviews. We have done with Muller witnesses and we've heard from both potential back channels to wikileaks helix. This point both credit and Rome coursey. We've heard from other muller witnesses like Michael Caputo and Steve Bannon Carter Page Sam Nunn Berg Doc. We hear from these individuals. As fact witnesses muller wanted to speak with them for what they saw what they experienced what they knew and so do we which brings us to our exclusive guest tonight making her first ever appearance on the beat. Muller Witness Kristin Davis longtime associate and friend of Roger Stone remains in touch with him during in this trial in her testimony she identified stones wikileaks intermediary as Randy credit go and she's here for an exclusive interview her first I since the start of this trial. Thank you for coming on the beat. Thanks for the opportunity to be here. I appreciate it. What do you see as important with your friend and ally L. I.? Roger Stone a couple of days into this as the government makes the case that he lied to Congress that he tampered with a witness that he basically did a lot of lying about access to wikileaks in order to protect Donald Trump. I think there's a lot of things to be concerned about from the start of the investigation which was led by Hillary Clinton's personal attorney. Roger wrote a book the Clintons War on women. They've been at political warfare for many years so so I think that was unfair. And she's probably not capable of conducting an investigation fairly secondarily. The judge has denied his line of Defence of being able to argue that there was no corrupt intent for the obstruction of justice charge. I think it's important to note that the Mullahs report itself identified three tenths of an obstruction of justice charge. The third being corrupt intent and Roger was investigated and arrested assisted by the Muller team. And he's not being held to the same standards as identified by them. I think it's also important to note that he was asked. Last six hundred times about wikileaks. Assange and after six hundred times I think you know. Five Times of error is a fairly reasonable percentage argument being you don't think he was maliciously intending to commit the crime and that the errors that he may have made weren't deliberate. I understand that as a defense and we wanna hear your side the context with Mr Credito which are admittedly Baroque and involve pets. I want to put up on the screen because these were some of these. Were read in trial today. Stone saying in these texts quote Stone Wallet Plead the fifth. Do the Godfather a dodge. Prepare to die and then that he would quote. Take that dog away from Mr Critical. Do you believe that it is fair that the prosecutors excuse are introducing those texts as evidence that Rogers don't want it to intimidate Mr Credit. Go or harm him or his pet. I don't believe that Roger Stone was trying to intimidate him. I think you're only seeing one. Side of those texts the two of them have had horribly abusive frenemy relationship for a couple of decades. I've been a personal witness. I've been personal witness. In two thousand ten. At my gubernatorial campaign event Randy critical started heckling me and they got into a fistfight fight. I've taken phone calls from Randy High. Three o'clock in the morning screaming at me about Roger Stone. He's going to testify against him in some unknown own investigation. I think at this point from what we've seen from Randy critical today. It's pretty evident that he just pulled a very serious serious dirty trick on Roger Stone. He admitted on the stand that he accepted a message to pass along to assange so the whole time he's pretending to be a back channel and playing Roger and embellishing his role with assange. Let's let's dig get into that. This is a very important point relates to the charges against stone and also the public understanding of whether or not as the Muller team investigated there really. It was some sort of nefarious plot to get inside Intel from wikileaks. How Mr Credit goes spoke about that you say today at trial? We also asked him about that here because as you know one of the mistakes that Roger Appears to have made was to publicly bragged that he had to wikileaks back channel. He brought some of that on himself. This was what Randy told us about that when we press take a look. Do you ever carry messages from Julian. assange about what he might plan and to do or the nature of his work to other people anywhere else in the world. No absolutely not I. Totally deny was either back channel. No I was not the back channel. He says he was back-channel. Your defense on behalf of Roger Stone is that a ready critical tricked Roger Stone. Well first off my defenses. I heard Randi critical admit to it in my own apartment. What did he said in twenty seventeen? He told myself itself and a film producer named David Lugo that he was the back channel. So I mean by his own accord. He was in a time where it wasn't wasn't as heated as an environment. He was taking credit for it. Do you have any records of that. David Lugos on the record. He's a potential witness in the K.. I see so you both attest to that. which again to weather beyond a shadow of a doubt reasonable doubt whether Mr Stone is is GonNa face this jury or go to jail? Potentially you're saying and that at one point they agreed on this story and that story itself wasn't true because he wasn't really a back channel wikileaks. Well I don't know that they agreed to the story because I think Roger Really. We thought he was talking to maybe or at least trying to contact him there. Nothing ever came from that but I think that Randy was embellishing relishing. His relationship with assange also evident in this fake picture. This real picture outside of the Ecuadorian embassy so you just did that and sent that to stone to further this story that he's keeping I mean. Why would roger have? That was a serious picture. You think that some of this. This trial relates to people bluffing and aggrandizing themselves into a story. Now the story has turned dark. I think You know in Rogers Defense. I think that you have to understand that. He's a showman. He's an illusionist. And sometimes when you buy a ticket for the show You don't necessarily think that the illusion Assad a woman in half you are happy with the show in the performance and in the beginning he said said he had spoken to assange and then he quickly realized that that was an embellishment and he needs to trust you on that final the final. You're saying something that we've reported boarded here. which is you have to look at the entire context of Roger Stone's career as a dirty trickster to to try to understand where he fits into all of this but don't you think that he still had a legal obligation nation to end the show? When he was speaking to authorities in Congress to not obstruct? He went there voluntarily. He wasn't subpoenaed. I think his State of mind was to clear his name. And and I don't think you know if you've been tricked into saying that's correct or no after six hundred questions. I don't think that's fair understood. I really appreciate you making the time for us and appearing here on the beat as part of this this week of the trial and as I would wish everyone I wish all of you the best thank you. Thank you Kristin Davis on the beat coming up we have a lot more in the show. Donald Trump making plans for the post White House just TV show. Extravaganza will explain Do you ever think about life after. Donald trump leaves the White House. Well apparently so does he. The Daily Beast reports Donald Donald Trump talking to former reality show producer Mark Burnett about a version of the trump branded apprentice. That would come out titled the Apprentice White House Filming after or he leaves office. It would be politics theme and take advantage of trump status as the former president and a Republican king maker. Of course when you look back on his entire reality show career her. There's plenty of foreshadowing a new think. There may be some sabotaged from within. Find the people that are doing this to you and get the ruthless viciously. I don't care how you have to get rid of them but get rid of them fast. I'm doing now by reality. Guru and innovator Michael Hirschhorn he actually to create the concept of celebrity reality TV. VH1 thank you with hits like flavor of love. I love the eighty s and celebrity rehab is now president. CEO of issue or payment rights for the Atlantic and has been critical of aspects of president trump fair to say fair to say understatement. What do you make of this plan? The involvement of Burnett makes makes it sound real for sure. I think I wonder what it could be. Because we're already living through the apprentice. White House reality show were all sorts of prisoners in this big reality show experiment. That's happening right now but I think it's entirely plausible. That they would take a shot at it. You're saying some people thought that the combination nation of prison and reality shows lockup but it's actually twenty nineteen. It's actually big brother two thousand nine hundred. We're we're we're in the middle of it. We can't get off the island. We're stuck here well with that in mind take a look at a few moments from the reality show ization of politics with trump luck. Mr Your president we thank you for the opportunity and blessing that you've given us to serve your agenda and the American people and I told you before I'm very disappointed with the Attorney General But we will see what happens. Time will tell time will tell. You should be right not say Tom. You're fired. Yeah it's sort of terrifying and you know somebody who was was a deep in the reality show swamps. I get this kind of prickly feeling and my skin everytime I see this that we were part of creating the kind of uncanny merger between reality and reality and now we're kind of being forced to live through it so a lot of us are feeling kind of a certain amount of guilt about it right. And I I could understand that and many people Tony Schwartz against in the show as well who helped create the trump brand and is now dealing with that Although a mind is a great thing to be able able to change I wonder though whether sometimes we take too narrow historical view it is easy to be distant and smog about whatever's new. Why not see? The larger historical sweep that there was a time when candidates communicated in person and then other technologies adjusted them in other cultures adjusted them and for a lot of Americans reality shows across the spectrum without ideology are a type of communication. And that's why would win so many people are dismissive of Donald Trump's leadership style. If you WANNA call it that reading from Omarosa book on Hinch. She says his orbit is populated by people like him entertainers who say things to get a reaction and he cultivated. These people encourage them to exaggerate. The unique part of themselves take Donald Trump's allegedly toxic brand identity Out of it and that description applies to a lot of young people growing up in a socially mediated world correct. I think the part that scary is when we lose who's the distinctions between actually occurring reality. And this kind of mediated reality. That reality shows have propagated and I think you can. I can see with Ukraine scandal that when the two kind of smashed into each other. Really bad things can start to happen. What is the reality? Show dimension of Ukraine Skin Reality Show dimension of Ukraine scandal is that much of it was set up just so the Ukrainian president would have a press conference to say what trump needed needed him to say so that trump could then turn around and call the everything a witch hunt rights matter whether there was any there there as long as they had enough enough programming to support the conspiracy theory. That's right and if you can create enough noise I think you can also see it in the mode of discourse right that kind of weird weird feeling when you're watching discussions on the view today with Donald Trump Junior. No one ever answers a question. There's no conversation there's only attack. Yeah there's only someone walking in going. I didn't come here to make friends. Well we're out of time but is this real I think this is deeply heartfelt and I think you know what's going to happen at the the break. Someone gets his kick off the island for possibly. I hope it's the right person Michael Hirschhorn classic beat ending do it to a discussion. I want to tell you all something else you know. There's so much impeachment news lately we often have more news than there are nights of the week to paraphrase the Beatles. Five days a week is not enough to show we care so we are back this Sunday night with a new impeachment special with some very special guests. All that will be Sunday nine PM Eastern available. Hold every view around the nation if you're interested now if you happen to be in New York where announcing right now for the first time that we're hosting special that in Manhattan to dive deeper into this historic historic story tickets available now at MSNBC DOT com slash impeachment and. Why for this special event? The impeachment of president trump national debate. I'll interview the version in charge of drafting any articles of impeachment judiciary chair Nadler a newsworthy discussion. That's two weeks from tonight. The evening November twenty first with our friends at Cooper Union downtown also joined by John Malcolm who testified is gop witness before the same committee and an all star panel of our legal experts. If it's anything like our past events tickets will go soon so go right now to MSNBC DOT com slash impeachment and. Why for yours for the right back? We are back with that twenty twenty news breaking late tonight Michael Bloomberg campaign confirming that effectively they will be filing for the Democratic Primary Primary Race in Alabama sending staffers there to get signatures to qualify. There is a Friday deadline. One of the very first in the whole primary process in the country if Michael Bloomberg jumps in this race it could scramble a lot in fact. We're getting new reaction from Senator Elizabeth Warren who says welcome to the race. Mike Bloomberg if you're looking for policy policy plans that will make a huge difference for working people and which are very popular. Start here and she has a calculator for Billionaires Bernie Sanders also getting getting in on it saying the billionaire class is scared and they should be scared now. There has been a lot of talk about why and when Bloomberg might get in an a lot of speculation speculation about whether this reflects a weakness from other potential front runners in his lane Joe Biden he also trashed and attack. Donald trump the seriously in a much notice speech at the Democratic convention. We're going to keep an eye on this as wells impeachment and a lot of other stories when I come back tomorrow night at six. PM Eastern new for me to press the Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election in

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John Bolton Says He's Willing to Testify in Senate Impeachment Trial

WSJ What's News

12:48 min | 9 months ago

John Bolton Says He's Willing to Testify in Senate Impeachment Trial

"The former national security adviser John Bolton now says he'll testify if subpoenaed in the impeachment trial. Why that could be a game changer? John Bolton has been seen as the lynchpin as someone who was probably talking to the president talking to these people who are raising concerns about the Ukraine crane matter plus why Congress's invoking the war powers resolution to get more Intel about the killing of a top Iranian military leader. It's Monday January sixth next this is the PM edition of what's news from the Wall Street Journal. I'm Anne Marie. tolley and New York. Boeing is considering raising its debt to bolster finance finance. It says the grounding of it's seven thirty seven Max stretches into the new year analysts expect bowing to raise as much as five billion dollars to help cover compensation and maintenance maintenance costs it faces claims from families of the three hundred forty six victims of two fatal Max. Crashes and airlines Boeing halted production of the seven thirty-seven Max this month. According to its financial statements the company had about twenty billion dollars in available funds at the end of the September quarter. But it's facing rising costs due to the Max crisis former Hollywood producer. Harvey Weinstein's criminal trial began in New York today and across the country in Los Angeles authorities forties announced similar charges against him. Weinstein was charged there with raping one woman and sexually assaulting another twenty thirteen in New York. Weinstein faces five criminal counts including two counts of rape. He's pleaded not guilty to the charges in New York and repeatedly denied all accusations of nonconsensual sex jury. Jury selection is set to begin tomorrow. Ford Motor Company. The Nation's number-two automaker reported three point two percent decline in sales in twenty nineteen. Ford is relying more heavily on the US market as it faces steep sales decline in China for it was the final major automaker to post its twenty nineteen sales else overall US vehicle sales declined one point six percent last year according to the research site. EDMUNDS DOT COM. Democrats are asking for more details on a drone strike last week that killed Iranian military. Terry leader Kacem Sulejmani which has sparked calls for retaliation from Iran. The White House sent notification of the strike to Congress on Saturday but kept its contents classified. Lhasa Fide Democrats are requesting those details be declassified citing the war powers resolution joining me now from Washington with more details about the resolution. And how it's being applied here is Wall Street Journal reporter Lindsey Wise Lindsey. Can you explain the war powers resolution and what it requires from the president. Well there's there's a law the nineteen seventy-three war powers Resolution Game Congress the ability to remove US military forces from hostilities in the absence of a formal declaration of war so so such resolutions are privileged. meaning that they don't require sixty votes to come to the floor the usual threshold that you need in the Senate to bring a measure to the floor so that means that it also doesn't have to go through the normal committee process in in a Republican controlled Senate the likelihood of a measure like that getting through committee and then onto the floor for a vote under normal circumstances would be very difficult but under the circumstances of privileged piece of legislation like this basically ten days ten calendar days after it is filed with the committee. If the committee doesn't take it up then the senator who filed it can take it two straight to the floor and seek a vote on whether to quote discharge it from committee so that means essentially. It's a debate over whether the whole Senate all one hundred senators should vote on on that measure on the floor. Even if the committee didn't pass it and tell us a little bit more about how it's being used by Congress in regards to the US strike in Iraq. Well I believe this. kind of resolution. Lucien is only allowed to be used during hostilities when hostilities are underway. So it's it's one of the reasons privileged and it has a special rules that apply to it so in this particular circumstance. The Democrat Tim Kaine from Virginia he introduced it in order to force a debate and a vote on the Senate floor which is controlled by Republicans. Under normal no circumstances he wants all senators to have to go on the record and say where they stand as far as the president's war powers Congress under the Constitution and is the branch of the government has the power to declare war. And so what Tim Kaine and other Democrats including now the Democratic leader in the Senate Chuck Schumer. You're is saying is that they believe that. The Republican president has overstepped his bounds by starting hostilities with Iran without congressional approval approval and what the resolution would do should it pass and it needs a majority to pass. So that's fifty one senators what the resolution would do is it would basically require the end of hostilities pending approval from Congress to continue military operations against Iran. So what we see here is congress trying to assert or reassert. Its power to declare war in a circumstance. Where obviously there's a crisis happening but that the Democratic senators and some Republicans such as Rand Paul from Kentucky have made it clear that they don't want to see another potentially really disastrous war in the Middle East without without Congress? Getting to say and Lindsey. This is the subject of debate. There are questions over whether the president strike in Iraq was legal right. There are some legal observers. Who say the president can cite article two of the Constitution which grants office broad unilateral authority to exercise military force Especially in self defense and The president himself and the Department of Defense has said that the strike in Iran was aimed at deterring a future attack that you know the president has described imminent but we still haven't seen the intelligence on that just to be clear also the resolution that Senator Kaine has offered even if passed would also make exception for self defense so that the president would still be free to you know do something that he needed to do militarily to defer an attack on Americans so there is that exception even in the war powers resolution that Democrats rats are pushing for Wall Street Journal reporter Lindsey Wise joining me from Washington. Thank you so much. Lindsey thanks former national security adviser. John Bolton considered a key a witness in the impeachment inquiry into president trump now says he'll testify a Senate trial if he's subpoenaed to appear Bolton who was fired in September was involved is in meetings and conversations on US Ukraine policy. According to his lawyer Bolton's announcement comes as Congress is at a stalemate over next steps in the impeachment inquiry. The House approved articles of impeachment in December for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress but hasn't sent them over to the Senate joining me now from Washington with more details else's Wall Street Journal reporter Natalie Andrews Natalie this is a big announcement Bolton is considered a central figure in the impeachment inquiry and her released a statement today saying saying he would testify if subpoenaed why John Bolton has been long considered kind of this key witness who was in a lot of the meetings. Fiona Hill testified that he called the Ukraine matter. A drug deal that he didn't want any part of so it is interesting that he is putting out the statement saying he's Zwilling if he's subpoenaed now. There is an indication that Mitch McConnell has a real appetite to start subpoenaing witnesses. So this Stephen it does come in an interesting time as Democrats and Republicans are going back and forth on what they want the trial to look like Natalie. What exactly did Bolton say in his statement? So in Mr Bolton's statement. He went back and forth as to why he had been reluctant to testify in the House impeachment proceeding and that was. Because does the White House was limiting who they wanted to testify and not wanting people in the administration to testify and so his attorney any set the time that he was in a tough spot where the White House didn't want him to testify but he the house was calling on him to testify and they had gone on this kind of back and forth. Eventually the house moved on. They didn't need him so they said in order to move forward with impeachment and so this kind of went by the wayside but it was definitely something that was hanging there and Democrats had issued a new call for him to testify in the Senate so he has said in his statement that sends his testimony was once again at issue. He's he's decided that he has to personally resolve these competing interests of the White House saying asking him to not testify and the Senate calling going on him to testify or Senate Democrats really and he has concluded that if he is subpoenaed which would be something that would likely come from a bipartisan force so ah Republicans and Democrats would vote to compel him to testify then. He said he was prepared to do so. Let's talk about why he is a key figure as part of the impeachment inquiry Bolton's lawyer has suggested that his client knows more about the US policy toward Ukraine and was part of conversations. What specifically do lawmakers want? I want to ask him certainly. And this was a curiosity during the house impeachment proceedings because while Mr Bolton was resisting coming to testify defy. His own attorney sent a letter. That said that Mr Bolton was personally involved in many of the events meetings and conversations in the Ukraine matter and has important information that has not yet been discussed. And so that only heightened the need for him to come testify and it seen as that. He probably me too prolific notes in meetings. He was present for many of the meetings. He was closer and more higher up than some of the officials who testified in investigation. A lot of those officials reported to John Bolton or reported to people who reported to jumble and so John Bolton has been seen as kind of the linchpin as someone who was probably talking to the president bent talking to these people who are raising concerns about the Ukraine matter. He could be a lynch pin here and as you alluded to earlier. It's not clear at this point whether the Senate on it would call any witnesses as Democrats have requested is Walton's willingness to testify putting any additional pressure on the Senate. Democrats are certainly seizing on it. And saying. Look Mr Bolton's willing this now puts the onus on Mitch McConnell and Republicans to allow him to testify. Why would they say no? When you you have a witness who has said that he has information why would you say no to that? They're going to be putting pressure on senators that are in tough elections because in order or to bring a witness you would likely need fifty one votes and there are forty seven Democrats and so expect Democrats to put pressure on four Senate Senate Republicans because if they can get four Senate Republicans to vote with them. They could compel Mr Bolton to testify at the same time. Congress is beginning a new session this week and plenty plenty of questions remain about what a Senate trial might look like. The House also hasn't sent over the articles of impeachment to the Senate. It seems like we're locked in a stalemate here we are. Congress will continue to be locked in this stalemate Intel Nancy Pelosi sons the articles over which would immediately trigger Senate trial and Nancy. Pelosi has said that that she wants to see what process. Mitch McConnell is going to set up for the trial now Mitch. McConnell called this fantasy and said that he wouldn't let at the house dictate the Senate terms and so expect them to go back and forth probably a few more times until we see some sort of movement either are Nancy. Pelosi may see that John Bolton being willing to testify is a sign that she can move forward and the articles over or even just a point where she should do it. Because at some point you you lose some negotiation power. She doesn't really have much leverage here and so she does want to send the articles over before it looks totally Political Wall Street Journal Congressional reporter Natalie Andrews joining me from Washington. Thank you so much Natalie thank you and that's what's news for this Monday afternoon. I'm Anne Marie for totally for the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.

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How Does the John Bolton Bombshell Change Impeachment?

Reason Podcast

1:01:42 hr | 8 months ago

How Does the John Bolton Bombshell Change Impeachment?

"Why why don't you want to hear from well didn't know that until just a little bit ago so I think that's going to be a discussion. All have to contend with and it'll be here a couple well days when it comes to additional information. I think for many of us need to cite this. Because we're I'm from As much as president trump infuriates fury. It's maybe half the country would be the opposite so and it is a tricky combination like I told chucked out this morning between using your conscience to get through this and you know have to decide what the people in your state or wanting. That was Republican senator. Mike Braun on from Indiana talking with. MSNBC's Casey hunt yesterday about Sunday's revelations that the draft version of the forthcoming book by former National Security Purity adviser. John Bolton confirms some key outlines of the house impeachment case against Donald Trump namely that the president directly held up congressionally nationally authorized aid to Ukraine as leverage to get that country's new government to announce investigations that would be politically beneficial to trump back home. Hi Hi everyone. Welcome to the reason roundtable. I am Matt Welsh along with my noisy colleagues. Peter Sugerman Nick. Gillespie and Catherine Third Anglo Ward God. What who's who shuffling cards? I was tap dancing. Sorry are you kidding yes yes. Of course I'm kidding. I was not. It'd be funny if you are a man. We're actually recording your hat crackling or something. TAP dance is one one of the few Forms of dance. I have never attempted. And I think I'M GONNA keep it that way I I dissent as Nadine Strossen. Missile said We've got a lot to go through to fix this already botched intro And a definitely a long conversation about the flaming Mustache Zha vengeance. But I. Who doesn't like a good libertarian? podcast I'll tell you who the bad people so get me to a podcast and and check out our friends. Lions of liberty you can find over lines. Liberty DOT COM. Three weekly podcasts. In there one feed the pomace flagship program comes the Mondays at features guests such as Ron Dr No Paul Gene Dr Austria Epstein and Nick Dock Ellis Gillespie beat Wednesday brings us the gives us Electricity Electric Liberty Land a serial comic look at culture current events. And then there's felony Friday about the criminal justice system and its discontents collect them all at Lyons of Liberty Dot com or on your favorite podcasting platform. You'll be glad you did okay. So the House of Representatives last week presented opening arguments in the impeachment case against Donald Trump. The President's defense team gave an initial rejoinder on Saturday Saturday. And we'll be continuing Monday afternoon as this episode drops one of the key arguments Saturday from trump attorney Michael Pura and by the way do not Google image. The name I was quote not a single witness testified that the president himself said that there was any connection between any investigations nations and security assistance a presidential meeting or anything else. Whoops Sunday brought the exquisitely timed bombshell that the manuscript for John Boltons trump administration memoir which is called the room where it happened festively decorated by an oval get it Stated basically the opposite of that previous claim and was given the White House for pre-clearance back in December a draft of the book magically found. Its Way Hands The New York Times over the weekends and using using a lot of tweets from Capitol Hill reporters of this morning. Monday morning with a lines. Like senators feel blindsided. The President tweeted out that quote vote. I never told John. Bolton at the Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats including the Biden's in fact he never complained about this at the time of his very public public termination. If John Bolton said this it was only to sell a book with that being said the transcripts of my calls presidents Linski are all the proof that is needed etc.. The president's president also went on to say that the Democrat controlled House never even asked John Bolton testify not quite true but it is up to them not up to the Senate so long wind up. Catherine headline the headline drama of the week is Whether Enough Republican senators are going to vote to to subpoena John Willing apparently John Bolton to testify Senator Mitt Romney. This morning says it's increasingly likely that will happen in your view. Should John Bolton visa peanut. Yeah I think so. I think that if for no other reason than the delicious delicious weirdness of the fact that like all of this psycho drama and political drama and high stakes. Everything is going to rest on John. Bolton who I I mean I actually I kind of want to hear from you matt because you are the you have like a a relationship with John Bolton I would say even some fondness for him built up over the years and so I kind of want to hear your take on it but before that I want to note that on Saturday I went to a feminist note sometime other last week I went to a feminist comedy show and when I walked in the door slightly late the I joke was about confiscating all guns and the second joke was I cannot believe the John Bolton is the one who is going to save us so this is a general a vibe out there that people are people are feeling before I get into John Bolton's cuddling up prowess. I will say that the track record of fill in the blank is going to save us during this process and also film a bike is going to exonerate us. I think it's pretty clean record. It's over all of it Peter Does this bowl Tonia. Does this Jane Hannah. Bannock Matt the Ball Tannock. Thank you thank you. I've I've been now because we know how that story and Yeah and we know how this one will end to Peter. How does Bowl Tony? Yeah Miss and or how does this change anything. If at all in your estimation While on eight what it basically does is it. It has the the potential to force Republican senators to do what they have tried very hard not to do which is to acknowledge that the the basic case against trump is accurate in its facts and the trump defenses. I didn't do it and if I did do it. It was fine and actually I did do it but totally didn't do it. It's like all the things And Republican Senators have basically decided that they don't want to know any more than half to know they want to get through the impeachment process as soon as possible just so they can vote to acquit and get on with things and I understand that from a political perspective of quote we heard at the beginning from from a Republican. Senator was basically like you know what my job is to represent my constituents. They don't care that much at the same time I think there's a real problem with that Without approach which is that. The job of a senator isn't just to kind of be a mouth piece for his voters and just to kind of be. Ah just to to sort of channel. Their energies articulate any thoughts in this context and particularly in an impeachment trial. Your job is to consider the evidence and what they have been trying to do is avoid having no very much and avoid. Avoid the evidence and John Bolton being brought in would I think add some Some evidence that they would have a hard time dismissing out of hand. Would it would be basically force Republican senators to do. Their job is what it would do Maybe I don't know that it would actually change the outcome but it would force Republican senators to accept that that trump pressed Ukraine fine to investigate the violence for political advantage and held up money. which is again something? We've known that the factual record on this has been very clear. I wrote about this last week. You you know and that sort of been one of the odd things here is that there's not really any meaningful dispute amongst people who have looked at the evidence about what trump did. The question is is impeachment appropriate. It is removal appropriate and then it gets. It has been laundered in Republican circles through this odd thing where trumps will. Of course. I didn't do that thing that I have said said that I did his house lawn saying. Let's investigate let's have China and the Ukraine investigate the Biden's until he's obviously. He obviously did it. I I think and then the question is is it worth removal. And that's a question that that Republican senators have tried to avoid. And this I think will actually put the question to with him in a direct way. Is it possible that you could have been invested asking to investigate the Biden's not simply for personal gain. Well Rudy Giuliani. Any said on the record in May that he was there that he was going to Ukraine. Planning the trip in order to press for an investigation that would benefit his client personally. Exactly and does it also perhaps benefit the country. It's very hard to see. How an investigation? Based on a conspiracy theory the crowd strike business would benefit the country. It is especially in an crowd strike. Either I mean it's crying but that's what they were there to investigate. And if that is the case then trump should be should not be laundering this through his personal lawyer and trying to have the president while I I I actually think you know I don't care about Having more witnesses because Peter pointed out of the facts are pretty clear and then the question question is should he be removed from this and I would like to see the Senate actually debate that and kind of talk about it Because you know the facts seem pretty a clear and it's also clear that you know certain people want trump removed through impeachment and they wanted that before. The impeachment trial started during Russia Gate. We were told all of this. I think it's also worth saying you know. Particularly on a libertarian broadcast. The defense has not presented its case yet so what we have heard specifically as you know how three days of peace love and Adam chef talking about how trump is absolutely you know the most evil vile person in the world. Hey Hey neck. Yeah the the defense Trump's lawyers presented on so they started. They got Peter. But Peter. Are you saying. Are you saying that you are comfortable. All in trials just when You know okay. The prosecution gave its case. Let's make the decision. That's all upset. You know. No I haven't said I have not at all all said whether I think this is That trump should be removed. Should we this question or not Kuwait talk about answering. That question might be from with relevant information as to gather as much information what should we have. How long should this all last list? and Are we going to learn more or are the facts out there and then the question is let's assume the worst should trump be removed from office. I don't can't we take a straw. Poll all of of this podcast. Because that's the question right. I don't think anybody is the Dow jump the team. I don't think and I and I've of course increasingly been team that Romney You know this morning he like I always assume and this is probably just like seventeen layers of absurd atheist bias on my part but I always imagine that Mitt Romney's out there like preying on stuff like I imagine like you know he's he's like genuinely like consulting God about what to do and then he's like okay. Here's what I got got Monday morning. I'M GONNA go out there and I'm going to say on TV. Seems to me. Like Bolton has relevant testimony and that word is the dog whistle in a useful sense that it has it has legal. It is a legal sense. That is a technical term. The the notion of of relevance is a powerful powerful one in trials. And you know he's He may be a tipping point again not probably in the outcome. I think the outcome this is likely to be determined on partisan lines but in whether or not we hear from Bolton and I think it's I don't know I think it's interesting that he wasn't saying this exactly last week he has been saying different things on the different weeks of this impeachment proceeding even if it's all in the general spirit of like I am the last guy trying to hold down an old fashioned way of thinking about how Congress interacts with the president. And how congressman interact with their constituents. But I think it's fine into a kind of open up this morning and I'm like no based on the stuff that we learned this weekend. We really need to hear from this dude now in a way that I was willing to to let that not happen last week especially with Republicans in the Senate complaining that Democrats aren't presenting anything new and and then they're like well but we're going to temper that you can't do anything new but it's also I mean there is a question there's two things here one is like you WanNa get the fullest picture of everything you want to get to the truth with if not a capital T. somewhere between a lower our case and a and a capital one. But it's also the house. Kite just moved the the cross on the lowest the House the House the House comes up with a case and says you know it's not really complete but here you guys can fill in the blanks. It's within the political context. They know this is going to happen in this. Just four foreground to me. How political impeachment trials are? It isn't about truth. It is about political advantage. And somebody like Mitt. Romney is such such a bad bad person to be acting from principal ripe. Because he's he was the first major republican or or did so in such emphatic adequate that Donald Trump did not represent republican virtues etc.. He denounced trump before the two thousand sixteen election. Then he's kissing his ass to be in the cabinet then he's working with him etc I don't. I don't have a strong sense. That Mitt Romney has principles other than which ways is the wind blowing. What's the future look like which I also? I wanted to bring up apropos. The opening clip. JFK's often cited much unread red book profiles in courage is specifically about US senators. Who refuse to do what their constituents want? But rather a profiles encouraged because they go against what is likely to help them get reelected. So the Indiana senator is not just you know kind of awful in the way that he defrays things. But he's going against the one thing that senators are supposed to be known for right which is being profiles encourage. She's it's and to set your size their own judgments mint especially in impeachment cases and what Republicans are doing here is declining to exercise judgment as elected officials. I and I'll just add to the Mitt Romney conversation. Two things one is that I don't think there's any virtuous senator. I don't walk in worrying about that too much I I would hope To encourage them to act more against their tradition of non virtuous nece but more importantly Terms the popularity argument of of all Republican voting states. Utah is the one where trump is the least popular And that is that. Generally speaking so Should weirdly enough people align into their own interests Even in that direction as well to people on this call thank you I. I don't think trump should be removed from office Do you guys think he should be based on what you know. Now I would I would like to in the spirit of Nicholas five minutes ago. I would like to see how this thing and before I go to judgment and I would like to see more information. I mean in the same way that certain people thought it was great that wikileaks leaked a lot of Hillary Clinton emails from her really a ham handed fishing attempt. That was Those accepted by idiotic Clinton intimates More information is good. Bolton was there is a direct witness not a someone who remembers hearing someone after meeting witness and he's also as a as a flair for the dramatic and now I would like to see more people with a direct knowledge. Irrelevant to the case testify at that means hundred Biden too. Sure why not. He's a shit show. I wouldn't mind seeing him melt under the spotlight's generally speaking speaking sorry for cussing there For those Cherry on Sunday night I know a mostly to you but Catherine referenced a Bolton in my deep deep personal personal relationship with a guy which is not at all. I do think that we've argued with each other lots on TV but have also talked a lot in green rooms. And I don't have a lot of insight face take taxi cab. Conversations with John Bolton met where I really get to know. The real person and cab confessions anthea rather than Tom Brady go taxicab mustache rides. Now talk go there No that I- I Bolton is a intellectually curious type who also just prior to entering the administration said that the one of the biggest his problems with it is that there were three. This is back when rex. Tillerson is like seventy five secretaries of state ago but that they were basically three a completely separate Bureaucratic sources of of foreign policy within the trump administration. All at odds with one another and that the thing that a person from the outside coming in would do or should do and this is like right before he got nominated is to UNIFIL of those. So I think that might have a little bit of relevance over this we read he used the phrase a reportedly drug deal to describe things that are going on I would be Not surprised to learn that some of his animus towards what went on is simply because he had more hawkish desires especially vis-a-vis Ukraine than some of the existing trump people. But also that didn't like the you know Three four five seven different kind of strains of bureaucratic infighting that is going on there and it's also possible that this all looks Super Ski being wrong and you shouldn't have fired the ambassador there for release really spurious reasons based on Rudy. Giuliani cooking. Up Drug deals and that he was morally outraged also totally within the realm of possibility From what I can gather all right. Let's let's talk about anything first of all just a Straw poll here. How many of you actually like watched much or any of the impeachments life as it happened? Happen like Like an hour or two hours Just just told you know. There's no wrong answer here. I I will volunteer. I probably watch like a an hour live and then an hour on tape but did you guys consume much. I watched Probably all told about three or four hours and then some tape tyler. Catherine I I was. I was in for the super cuts. actually kept having this problem with normies that I was talking to were. They'd be like hey so isn't a. Haven't you been watching the impeachment isn't it. Isn't it fascinating and I was like I guess I have people for that. Now which is you know but it is so you know the the sense I think among many people like us among sort of political journalists for whom this is not specifically they're assigned beat is the deep knowledge that nothing was going to happen on that screen and if it did we would all know immediately and could go watch the clip until we certainly did not need to monitor that thing in real time. Kind kind of been briefly I probably watched less than an hour in real time but a Lotta clips okay so of the clips. Most of US apparently wash watch the clip job that we're currently doing here. I curious to hear from all of us What struck out in any direction as a highlights highlights? What struck out as a low light? Catherine you want to go. I know that you know the problem. Also is that much of what I watched in addition to the like things twitter told me to watch was when I would just go into the reason kitchen to get a cup of coffee because that is where billy binion who has been covering this for us was frequently watching the whole thing and and the way that my brain shut itself off in the face of the general bloviating was actually again similar. Learn to how I react to sports being on the television like it was like all I heard was like the squeaking of sneakers and someone saying like we give it a hundred ten percent and like I just stopped listening that said I guess I enjoyed. I enjoyed the The like self righteousness of all parties but Especially if not Peter Neck. I wanted to go next. Sorry Peter's righty put in the back of the the stuff that Bugged me I mean I. I don't know that the running highlights I think to a certain degree the The Democratic case managers that good job of laying out the basic case which we know we know the outline of we now. Most of the details up schiff was annoying to be both with stray references to Russia and Russia collusion. And things like that. which is you know it? This is all kind of This is a process it is an attempt to keep alive everything that you can throw at trump all of the time and I say that not because I love trump. But it's it's just like we cannot get past this because every time you start talking about one thing it ends up talking about every possible thing against trump but I found his yes Call or his suggestion that somebody in the trump administration talked about you know you have Republican heads being on a pike if they vote against against trump which was discounted or denied by a bunch of Republican senators to be a particular low-life? This is a case of just expressive expressive language rather than persuasive language. He was actually quoting. He was actually quoting a store. Eight or something like that was anonymous source in a CBS news story so that bid actually fell to me like he was doing the administration's work for them like he was like by the way anyone on the fence. Retribution has been threatened. Just reminding you like it was effective as a positioning in terms of his characterization of the administration but it was also probably affective to remind Republicans at their heads really will be on the pike. Peter a highlight low light so like nick. It stuck out to me that Sh- I mean I thought shift did rather well in a lot of ways but connecting this to Russian interference. And making this about you know if we don't get trump out right now he's going to cheat on the next election won't be viable. I thought was really really kind of a stretch and unnecessary the case he has made The good the better case here is that trump abused the office and abused his power and therefore no longer should have the power that he has of the presidency And like again. I'm saying that's the best case. I'm not saying that he should be removed. But what a but like that's the case he should be making and stretching it out to to push it you know to who to next year's election to this year's election Excuse me is as I think. It's a real stretch in it. Sort of muddies. The issue in a way that isn't helpful at the same time. Trump's lawyers are also making this about an election. The two thousand sixteen election and they're arguing that this that the impeachment push is an effort to To overturn the two thousand sixteen election which it just isn't and It overturning the two thousand sixteen election would undo all of the things that trump did as president it would not PUT The power of the presidency in the hands of trump's anointed successor. Vice President Mike Pence it would not leave Republicans in charge of the White House in the executive branch and all of trump's appointees in place it would not leave all of the decisions all the things that trump has done in place. Impeachment does not does not undo a an election it is a constitutional process put in place by the founders that they are where they understood that it would be political that It could be ruled by partisan passions. I mean that was kind of explicit in the writing about it in the federalist papers. And this idea that it that it's going to overturn an election is is I think It's GonNa play well with trump's base and you can see why they're making this argument and it is completely falacious and just sort of a a bad argument and a bad defense. I will ask votes Similarly to what you guys Just mentioned That the low point for me was shifts of reasoning for why the house sped this process up rather than trying to do things like fight legally on a subpoena for John Bolton for example That we have to. We have to do it before he kills again in an election. I think that was a very unconvincing. Saying the best part is also for me. Was Adam Schiff not him personally but the way that he built up these sort of narrative threads based on testimony. They've gotten and he'd get right up to a punchline or Zinger or whatever and then there'd be a gap in the record and wouldn't it be great if we could subpoena that person or that piece of evidence. Well I thought that was a that was kind of effective for those moments. When like Catherine I was sneaking glances on my Television next to the the ghost of Billy bean in at least all right. We're going to pivot to Bernie which is a term of Art in the journalist mortal world In a second here but forrest. Mike's ex-college prevented him from discussing marijuana legalization. Whatever squares? Naomi couldn't start an animal rights club and Kevin was blocked from handing out wait for it copies of the Constitution. What is wrong with these people? All these students thankfully have their free speech rights successfully defended by the foundation for individual rights in education otherwise known as fire Goto the fire dot org or text the word fire to five to eight eight six to get the gist list of what they do. But basically it's like this. 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Today it's like six or seven point lead in the betting markets futures it's old Barky Socialist Bernie Sanders Catherine's favourite. He's surging surging in the early states. He's closing the gap nationwide a little bit. At least Joe Biden will get twenty seven percents. you know for the next seventy five years but but Bernie's he's up around twenty twenty one nationally Bernie has survived his scrap with fellow progressive. Senator Elizabeth Warren on who is kind of sinking in the polls. And we're just eight days before the caucuses. Thank he's kind of having a moment so we want you to spend a little bit of time here flinging some doubts in the general direction at the democratic socialist wave. Why shouldn't we be reacting to this news nick by singing the Internationale? I don't even understand understand that question at yes What I mean to say is why why should one not greet the news of Bernie Sanders surging towards the nomination with unbridled enthusiasm? Seattle model. Libertarian podcast do you have any ideas well Now it might have something to do with his entire political platform which is to maximize the size scope and spending of government in every aspect of all of our lives. So you know that's a starting point for me what particularly particularly Bristles about Bernie is that he Is One of the most outspoken opponents of citizens United Which is kind of the magic? Totem that gets invoked. Whenever Democrats and occasionally Conservatives are Republicans are upset about the way an election goes but Bernie any sanders is an absolute foe of free speech as it relates to politics as it relates to the citizens united decision. So for me. That's you know that's is one of the things that stands out above the Medicare for all and the Free Housing and the Free College in the free everything else without even pretending to pay for it and that that he strikes me as the left wing populist equivalent of Donald Trump who's appeal is primarily that he's going to get rid of the elites that have been screwing us all over he's going to drain the swamp at a left direction. Trump was gonNA granite in the right direction. What you actually get our people who are not fundamentally restructuring power but they're I'm just GONNA put their own elite in place and it's going to suck for the rest of us who had rather just get on with our lives Catherine so I Just read this David Frum piece in the Atlantic which is titled Bernie can't win and You Know I. The lesson I learned from two thousand sixteen is this guy is way too weird to be. The president is not a sentence I should say and so I'm not GonNa say it and I don't know who's going to win but I the thing that from points out. And he says it's Y Bernie can't win but I think it's it's an interesting note to throw in here there. Is You know we as a country are maybe in the mood not for woke identity politics or at least not exclusively for that but actually for class war and if we are in the mood for class war than Bernie is our president and certainly we Based on a couple of recent GATHERINGS OF CONSERVATIVES THAT I've been at conservatives are in the mood for class war they would be happy to have class were they would also like to have class war her. But the Bernie Jacob been the important thing isn't isn't the kind of overlapping intersection analogy of identity. Politics at wo- Kness the important thing is is how the rich and the elites are screwing us over and they need to be brought down a peg both in terms of their power and just actually actually. We should take their money. That's it makes sense to me actually that He's doing well in the polls because that seems to be a message edged that the people are responding to more now than they were four years ago and by the people are responding to I mean some hybrid abridge of like some things. I'm reading between the lines and polls that aren't very reliable and also the very weird subset of people. I talked to my bubble so actually I know nothing. And I don't know who's GonNa went Sugerman It's the Medicare for all isn't it. I mean it is the Medicare for all its Feeder Healthcare Sanders Sanders arguably early. Is this is the politician who has done the most to put Medicare for all single payer healthcare on the Mat for the Democratic Party and and for You know American political dialogue I think Medicare for all as Bernie Sanders would have it. His single payer plan is both a bad idea and a fantastical one. And I think the fantastical part is really worth thinking about with regards to how Bernie does politics because his his argument and I think one of the worst things about him in some ways one of the most appealing to a certain kind of supporter but one of the worst things about him is that he argues that all of this stuff that he wants to do Medicare for all in particular but also all the free college and all and completely changing taxation and you oh his whole ten multi trillion dollar Tens and tens of trillions of dollars spending agenda. He argues that it will be easy. That all you need is to elect Bernie Sanders and have a revolution. And it's never really clear what exactly that revolution entails except for electing Bernie Sanders and somehow or another her reorganizing all American politics in a way so that the various political and interest groups and also voters who don't like Medicare for all and it's Cetera et Cetera. Era Would certainly be in favor of it but the idea that it's easy because there's a revolution is not just a bad one and not just a simplistic one. That doesn't doesn't apply in the real world. It is in the context of a socialist. One that you should actually be at least a little tiny bit worried worried about. Because revolutions along those lines are often quite bad My vote for this has to do with not just the way that sanders has been pretty unapologetic about his Economics over the years just sort of dropping the state will control the means of production angle sometime in the seventies and eighties when that after the seventies and eighties after that got discredited. But without ever like revisiting and talking publicly about you you know what why why did you drop bit about wish nationalize the banks. But it's not just that it's the way he talks about to this day especially all a trade agreements and and international trade. Generally speaking he describes it with the phrase race to the bottom over and over again as opposed to every single and retracted retro volume of. Yeah as opposed any free trade agreement that we have That even before he was a senator or congressman because he says it's a race to the bottom and to say this over and over again and in a period where during his time in the Senate one billion people have been lifted out of extreme poverty particularly in the extreme poor world right so like the bottom. That's the bottom. Imagine a world and there's a lot like half of it is super duper poor. We can call that the bottom right right. That's the bottom right so then with international trade into something that such noted you know right wing knuckle dragging economist as I don't know the United added nations has repeatedly said and people like Bonneau have repeatedly said and others is like the single biggest engine forgetting those people but at the extreme bottom autumn where the bottom that he's talking about out of extreme poverty have been the ability to get into trade agreements with the outside world in conducting capitalism and business That he has not looked upon this and changed his tune even a little bit and uses that to this day to oppose all trade agreements to me is just an appalling Misdiagnosis of the world around units also super duper. What's the word Parochial it's it's just it's it is as America first is anything that Donald Trump has claimed to be and it's no accident that the two of them largely agree on trade and I think largely early in a very disreputable nineteenth century America. First way that I can't get behind drives me nuts all right speaking of Socialists in panic Let's see what the Dow Jones Industrial Average is. I had that before my computer crash earlier but it it plunged four to five hundred points earlier today it's still at minus four nine as we speak at eleven forty seven. AM here Based on fears over the latest corona virus this coming from the Chinese Megalopolis of Wuhan Been Spreading elsewhere the globe there have been five at least confirmed cases. United States so for eighty one people have died in China Our own great science correspondent Ron Bailey. Wrote on January Seventeenth v perhaps counter intuitive. Take Jake that. Maybe we'll never see again another global pandemic so there seems to be kind of a dissonance there a with the fears. That people are expressing and the tentative optimism. Although we're GonNa see that updated later this afternoon from Ron Bailey. Catherine you're his boss What the hell should we all be panicking so I actually I just pulled up a quote from Epidemiologist Brandon Brown of UC Riverside. He was quoted in The Times today. Saying don't panic unless you're paid to panic which is a pretty pretty sick epidemiology. Burn right there and I think this is you know following the coverage of this is not a thing that comes naturally to me. I generally Because of news overload. Try to screen out. A A couple of categories and one is like health health related news and one is weather related news but I paid attention to this because it seems to follow. Oh so clearly the The pattern of of these types of panics. I mean I. I'm old enough to remember the bird flu and swine flu blue and the Mexican flu and now this flu listen. Obviously this is a serious thing. That's going on. It's right now basically a regional serious thing. There's no particularly strong reason to think that this is going to be significantly different than other past disease. Panics but I think there's a big pay attention to it. which is we are in the mood to panic about China right now and so that that is the main asterix going to put on this whole conversation station is would we be thinking or talking about this in the same way? If we were not already kind of primed for and steeped in Paranoia Renoir about the metaphorical contagion of Chinese surveillance state and authoritarianism and they're they're infecting our NBA A as and our video games And this just kind of liberalizes that and concretizes it and so I am therefore skeptical of how sound the the epidemiological cases for panic. Are you more worried about this. Or the Mulan Remake. I don't e- equally worried about the to you. Nick you You spelunker bit and found some coverage of the Ebola panic which is only what five six years ago. Oh share with us. Sure of the class which you uh saw well in two thousand fourteen politic fact which of course in this instance we celebrated as a clear. You're headed a fact-finding truth seeking agency when we disagree with it. We know that it's ridiculously ideological and worthless but in two thousand on fourteen. Pull it affect declared overblown Ebola fears in America as its lie of the year. And you know to go to Catherine's point the in in the United States and was people like George will and Rand Paul who were actually freaking out about a bowl. Possibly because they were worried about Africans invading America as opposed to Chinese invading America. I think it's very always good to talk about diseases as coming from particular countries of origin. And it's really more about social anxiety Typically the medical ones having said all of that Abol and the two thousand fourteen to two thousand sixteen killed like eleven thousand people in West Africa Particularly in places like the Congo and Central African Republic. There was an outbreak a couple years later that only killed about a dozen people and that was largely because of public health measures that were taken in a vaccine that helped to stamp out of Bala quickly. I would be really paranoid. I would be worried if I was in China about this because you have an authoritarian regime which builds concentration camps and his building hospitals in a couple of days to do this. And you know that. They don't care about civil liberties but it's really not worth worrying about the United States at this point. The the it's it's interesting to go back to the coverage of Ebola in two ways one I as always suggest people look As that story was unfolding go back and read. Are Ron Bailey Bailey. On that as he sort of describe and kind of predicted how many cases we might see in the United States. What would happen there? A most of his predictions and kind of calming turned out to be true through and the other is that there was a widespread particularly in Republican. Conservative and in some libertarian circles condemnation of the Obama Administration's approach approach to this including deploying a lot of military assets out there in the field where these things are happening to build like temporary military hospitals and screening and to get You know drinking water and things like that up to snuff. Because that's where a lot of that stuff spread and there was a lot of hand wringing over that and they were putting our are people in danger And that were risking the spread the contagion here of all the parts in Samantha powers' former. UN Ambassador. A recent book that to me read as like. Hey you know what the Obama Administration did this one thing good. It's the Ebola description of of the decision making process there air And the calming without at the same time you know head in the sanding about About all of IT I. It's worth looking at. It's worth seeing being who is overreacting. And why and when you go back and read it all. I'm not going to ask Peter Sugerman about this Because I want him to lead or you quarantining quarantining him. I little bit because he'd been detained. I mean because Medicaid and Medicare for all Peter. How's that going to stop the current environment for all? Why not a ball of fur all? It'll have the same effect right. I mean in fairness to people who didn't bowl like you gushing blood out of your eyes which is like You know it's pretty graphic. You're just as dead when you die of other things so I mean what a good whatever about Walsh do. Yeah I do just really quick. Do you want to say like the note that the Knicks sounded about how China is going to handle this internally. I do think that's worth panicking over on behalf of the citizens of China like they do not mind massive quarantines there they do not mind putting people in camps. They do not mind line denying care to people that they've done the math and decided don't deserve it for whatever reason if I if I had to if I guess. How will China handle the coronavirus outbreak? I would not guess like with sensitivity in a respect for civil liberties and so that is that is a thing that I would like to Z.. More coverage on and maybe we will have some of it at reason dot com soon with respect to this rather than Omg. I have the sniffles. Do I have chronic virus Peter you can add anything if you want to. And you cannot if you don't The movie outbreak with Dustin Hoffman. Fun Facts originally that role all was written for Harrison Ford C Fascinating Glenn ever to never stifled us. Man's free speech okay Speaking of free speech it is National School Choice Week. And there's no connective tissue between those two things that doesn't matter. This is an annual event title along ten years. Something like that yes. Reason has been a part of a bit all throughout Catherine. You're the editor reason. What is this an S C? W if that's what it's really called a why is it important. And what is reason to do with it. it's pretty pretty cool events so we have participated in it for many years and the idea is essentially just to everybody puts on these really bright yellow scarves. Donna why that's an absolute absolutely fundamental part of National School. Choice is the bright yellow fleecy scarf. Everybody gets and it is to remind people about the importance concern of educational choice. And I think that this is. It's an interesting case of a battle. That's been an a little bit one. But still is fundamentally individually one that we are losing. And so it's it's a tricky spot to be in where you want to kind of celebrate. The advances defend them against the constant pressure from teachers unions and the school bureaucracies rockies to pushing back on them and parents and parents but also talk about how much more work is yet to be done What we do here reason? He's in his basically just in this one week every year We try to pay special attention to those questions. We have great peace coming up from Our very own jd to Chile about his sons homeschooling and now alternative schooling journey which I think many people have been kind of following if they are fans of of his work. But the thing that I am always struck by and this happens every year is if you just say to. A staff full of libertarian journalists. Hey just keep an extra eye on school choice stuff this week. Dozens of stories in that week immediately. Pop Up. And it's not because those weeks especially hot weeks for Encroachments against school choice or for victories for school choice is because that stuff is always going on. It happens at the local level it happens at the state level. It can be easy to forget to pay attention in and so this is a good week where we remind ourselves to do that. Nick has made some some interviews and some videos as have you met and so maybe you can tout your own stuff vick. We got Ah on Wednesday I'll just got Two or three maybe even four videos including one by you map. That are going to become an APP this week but on Wednesday I a have a podcast with Andrew Capela. WHO's the president of National School Choice Week the organization that kind of supports all of this? And there's something like fifty one thousand events all all over the country this week You know where people are just talking about different forms of school choice and yeah. He's got a book called the Road Map to school choice. which is is a very helpful book nachos for K.? Through twelve parents. But I think for people who are Thinking about or either kids or or young people or parents who are going to college but What what I would stress with all of this is the tyranny of the status quo? What is amazing with school choice? We live in Ulta massively personalized mask. Personalized allies mass customized world in all sorts of experiences and yet education is arguably the slowest moving major sector of our kind of lives. Where were still basically doing it the way our parents were taught the way? We were taught more forcing our kids into very similar modes. And it's kind of interesting to think about that. As has catherine was noting. There are massive kind of political and ideological forces like teachers unions like school boards of Education That are involved in this us. But lately I've been thinking more and more about parents and how you there is a conservativism built into parenting because of the anxiety of actually liberating eating your children from the model that you grew up with and hence are somewhat comfortable with even if you knew. It really didn't help you that very much or didn't serve your needs And I think that's where school choice you know. And it's something like Campanella says about Thir- a third of parents use some kind of school choice where they look at alternatives initiatives to traditional residential assignment schooling and then choose school oftentimes of a conventional school for their kids. But it's not going to become a truly mass ask phenomenon I think until parents kind of shake off that anxiety induced conservativism. Let's educate our kids somewhat like we were educated because us we don't know what the what the new thing will look like it All right let's go to our end of podcast. What have you all been consuming and and Sudirman? Let's start with you. I've been reading the mid nineties high fantasy novel assassin's apprentice by Robin Hob and it is truly great Robin Hobbs. A writer is the pseudonym for a writer who had been writing a fantasy She'd been writing children's fiction and fantasy short stories throughout the seventies and eighties and developed a pseudonym to write a fantasy series that has spawned I think something like nine books since then And been quite successful but I'm not traditionally a a a big reader of high fantasy but this one is really nicely written in the first person Straightforwardly single character focused on like a lot of the the account. George Martin type of books. Where there's you know a a third person jumping around between characters and part of what's interesting about this book is that it's not just? Oh here's a good. It kind of nicely plotted a story with interesting characters. But there there is a fair amount of investigation of how governments amounts make decisions what their limitations are and what makes good rulers versus bad rulers. And what and what sort of an and and how kind of character changes how people rule because this the main character is The bastard son of kind of particularly crafty king that she's me Nia prince who and so he gets brought into the family by And then kind of adopted actually by the king so by guess by his grandfather who makes him who decides to make him a secret assassin for the crowd because he's a bastard so he looks So he has your some sort of you has some royal blood but of course cannot not have all of the kind of royal privilege and all of this and And then of course. There's all these princes who are in line under the king and each one of them is named named for a particular virtue That they in some ways express in their character. And it's it's just a it's a NEAT NEAT story. That is very well told. Hold incredibly engaging. I don't think I've been engaged to sort of lost in a in a John. Roth book like this for a very long time With some interesting lessons about how the world works and why God I did not have a large family or I absolutely would have done some craziness like named each of my children after the virtues or like I mean it. That's so cool right. It's a super cool thing to do is so there's also a very good thing to do in real. I haven't gotten all Louis through this So I don't know exactly how this plays out. But the book opens with the idea that royal blooded children are somewhat magically imbued with the virtue that they are named named after and yet every now and then the magic doesn't take Sir like I would legit just be at her actually naming all my children prudence. So let's face mad fact Katherine what have you been So I started reading this book which was super super hyped. At the end of last year is like a big book. Doc of twenty twenty UNCANNY valley a memoir by Anna Weiner and I also wrote who. Also I don't know something else I don't know what else wrote But uncanny valley is a phrase that I love it of course describes when in an artificial whole thing takes on a some but not quite enough of the attributes of a natural thing and the result is something a bit creepy and off. This is what you see with breath. humanoid robots or sort of other hybrid type creatures basically triggers. Your disgust reflects. You think that's a diseased human instead of that's robot that's not quite good enough yet I love that concept. It's a super cool idea. I was sort of very interested in this idea of a book which is meant to take on on the influence and culture of Silicon Valley and big tech firms from the perspective of someone who worked inside them. Lots of ways you could have used the uncanny valley concept in fact the show. Silicon Valley did that very effectively. This book unfortunately does not either play with that concept very well nor is it a very good book and and it's it's it. Was it just immediately. It's sort of immediately to Manichean The these companies are are her sort of evil and dirty and bad you know she comes on very strong in the opener and her own experience. I think is too narrow To draw as broad of conclusions as she wants to draw comes out of a traditional book publishing and moves into big tech quite quickly clearly and in many ways simply isn't senior enough to do all the conclusion making she wants to do again. There's a version of this book. That could have been awesome. Which is why I was excited to read it? You could do a kind of I came in neutral I came in you know wide-eyed and and you know wanted to see what there was to see. See and now I want to tell you about that process of awakening and how my eyes were were opened. That is not unfortunately what this book is. You're going to see more reviews of this. Is I think a book that might continue to be referenced in the coming year especially as we all continue to freak out about big tech and its influence on our culture but It wasn't wasn't great so it's a counter recommendation Nick what have you been Sunday was Paul Newman's birthday birthday. The late actor who was born in Nineteen twenty five and died in two thousand eight and as a result of that. I'd always been kind of a fan of his and I did a quick kind of run through through some of his greatest hits and one of the things that is kind of interesting to think about. Paul Newman is eight as born in twenty. I five. So he's really part of the greatest generation and he was an old kind of relatively old when he became a star in a big way in the in the sixties with movies like the Hustler are and Hud and then probably peaked. Paul Newman in the sixties was The Cool Hand Luke. Nineteen sixty seven where he's like the classic anti hero of kind of big big budget or are major studio. Hollywood at that time He's kind of an artifact the fact of an older Hollywood but he almost without Peer managed to go from a kind of old Hollywood into a new Hollywood. His career extended ended into the two thousands. And I think he's a really fascinating guy to look at for changing understanding masculinity in in an American context because his characters went from being the stereotypical warm weather at something like cat naunton roof or the hustler or cool hand. Luke Egg cocky funny person person who kind of You know misfit who typically gets broken by the system and that even extensive something like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid where he's a lovable rogue who ultimately dies. I apologize for that Spoiler alert but over time he His characters became more filled with Not with kind of crippling self doubt but their sense of themselves and he became yet both super basket. I mean that's that's one of the things when you read about. Paul Newman. His effect on audiences in the way presented himself. He was always identifiably masculine but he became less domineering and less of a Dick in his movie. Personas and things like that and I think there's there's a broad when you look at the long arc of his career at least in terms of the characters played eight and he he revisited the hustler character in nineteen eighty sixes. I think it was the color of money where it's you know a pool hustler. Who has his hands broken at the end of one movie comes back and then Finds another guy played by Tom. Cruise his kind of a protege And he's a different character he's world-weary but he's also still idealistic. India Listrik Using a great movie called Fort Apache the Bronx where he's an old cop whose idealistic There's a lot there and Paul Newman. IS IT A. He made a ton of of shitty movies but You know a shelf full of real classics and he tells the story I think about. How American masculinity can kind of age gracefully the and shift from being domineering to being a participatory in a positive way just to take down the intellectual calibre a couple of thousand notches my contribution contribution to this categories that I watched the grammys last night? including with my whole family there for a while And I think this may be. It's maybe my own the masculine Melting into a puddle of Mush particularly in the wake of a Kobe Bryant and his daughter and seven other people dying in Ellicott crash yesterday. I'm from southern California's. Kobe Bryant Fan on appreciated him a lot. So this Death over it hung over the grammy's and there's a thing that the grammies have has been doing for the last ten plus years which in almost every other year feels so ham fisted and artificial official and like you know colors from Benetton ad level of subtlety which is that they mash up. Not just all the genres in the same room but like they tried to To mix them up on stage in like the you know in a historic partnership tonight on stage. The doobie brothers are going to be with little MAS- That didn't actually happen Well actually what happened last night or as Lil Mas- does awesome was with the The KFI K.. Pop Boys what is a bts super duper boy band from Create who really funny and also of course billy Ray Cyrus and they'll Nasr is take the example in this past pop year of someone who just absolutely insisted on cross pollinating all genres and as he's just GonNa put down all of your categories and have a blast and he's also like twenty so screw him but No in especially in the wake of Kobe Bryant dying seeing all these people oh under one roof and like really trying to say hey look we are a country where hip hop and country and even some like hard blues and even Bonnie Raitt whatever the hell Ah can be in the same room together and try to insist that it's all part of the same continuum when in everyday life isn't necessarily well last tonight. I appreciated the gesture in ways that I haven't before and thought it was a a at times very lovely moving and that's all As always I consume all awards shows by looking at these slide show of the outfits the next day and Obviously leading that slide show was mats mats. Mets Boyfriend Lomas. Who was wearing just for those of you who are not plugged into this particular thing A neon pink vinyl cowboy. Oh boy outfit. That had cropped jacket and like I really appreciate that as just a single human human screw your genres and in general The men at the grammys like the the formal wear game for menfolk especially Elaine Music has gotten much weirder and much more delightful in recent years And I appreciate in this. One instance that if we cannot all be free of having to elaborately groom ourselves I want everyone to be equal and so if men have to work as hard as women before these shows I'll take it. I should point out on that note that there is a very good tweet last night From who I forget but Saying that you know eight years ago you all were criticizing the producers of the Hunger Games for portraying the participants in the city as being so flamboyantly dressed that it would be impossible but like watching the grammys last night makes you want to Wake up in the morning and get ready for the Archery class which I thought was pretty. I mean we're in district. One were actually lagging on the on the hair so I ah I leave it there because delightfully no sense and all the sense in the world. Thank you for listening. Keep listening to all of our podcast series dot com slash podcast I including the reason interview Nicholas Bay etc and look at reason dot com all week as you already do. Refresh refresh refresh for great contents tens associated with National School Choice Week and other things and a will catch you back here next Monday goodbye.

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November 7, 2019: John Bolton is called to testify in the impeachment inquiry

5 Things

07:07 min | 11 months ago

November 7, 2019: John Bolton is called to testify in the impeachment inquiry

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John Bolton is scheduled to testify in the impeachment inquiry on Thursday and would be the highest ranking member of President Donald Trump's administration if he shows up bulletin left office in September because of policy disagreements and could offer more perspective into whether trump pressured Ukraine to to investigate Joe Biden and his son one hundred while withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to the country and ministration officials have pointed to rudy. Giuliani trump's personal lawyer as guiding Ukraine policy and one administration official said that Bolton referred to Giuliani as quote handgrenade. WHO's going to blow everybody up on quotes? Meanwhile on Wednesday Democrats announced the first open impeachment hearings which will take place on November sixteenth. That week the top. US diplomat in Ukraine ambassador. Bill Taylor will testify along with Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent and former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Ivanovich Democratic House Intelligence Agence Chair. Adam Schiff said on Wednesday that the hearings will give the American people a closer look at impeachment proceedings and a chance to decide for themselves about the president's actions or lack thereof so those open hearings will be an opportunity for the American people to evaluate the witnesses for themselves to make their own determinations determinations about the credibility of the witnesses but also to learn first hand about the facts of the president's misconduct but many Republicans continued to say. The inquiry is unfair. Unfair Louisiana senator. John Kennedy told reporters that shift is in total control of proceedings and using the media in the absence of a full on trial. We'll look we all know what's going on Chairmanship has total control this. He still has total control. When this he's leaking selected excerpts too friendly members of the media who suck it up like a hoover dogs. And you cannot judge the fairness of trial without seeing the trial. You certainly can't do it by reading the transcripts and you can't do it by looking at the lawyers for that matter. The witnesses states meanwhile meanwhile on Thursday and other witness some will be Jennifer Williams a special advisor to Vice President Mike Pence former attorney general. Jeff sessions is expected expected to announce his bid for Alabama senator on Thursday. That's according to a pair of Republicans with direct knowledge of plants. The seventy two year olds return to the political. Political stage comes a year after stepping down as President Donald Trump's first attorney general when their relationship soured as he recused himself from Robert Muller's Russia investigation. I should not be involved investigating campaign I had a rolling. 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John Bolton Now Says He Is Willing To Testify In Senate Impeachment Trial

NPR's Story of the Day

04:09 min | 9 months ago

John Bolton Now Says He Is Willing To Testify In Senate Impeachment Trial

"Surprising news today from Bolton he ran the White House National Security Council until September. That's where he had a ringside seat to the events that led to president trump's impeachment each mint house Democrats hope to hear from Bolton last year and at the time he declined but today Bolton said he would be willing to testify at trump's impeachment trial l. in the Senate Mara Liasson. NPR national political correspondent has been following the twists and turns of this welcome to the studio. Thanks for having me what changed. Why is Bolton saying? He's willing to testify in a Senate trial. We're not sure why he's changed his mind. But what changed was he was involved in a court challenge to to a subpoena that had been given to his longtime aide. Charles Kupperman and Kupperman went to court. He sued the White House and the House. He said there's a separation of powers clash. The Judicial branch has to referee this. I will honor the subpoena. A judge tells me to and Bolton had said that whatever the judge just decides would apply to he would apply to himself also if he got a subpoena from the house. Well Lo and behold. The House withdrew the subpoena. They might have been worried about losing the case And the judge declared that case moot now Bolton has issued a statement saying since his testimony once again is an issue he has based on careful consideration and study. He's concluded that if the Senate issues a subpoena for his testimony he will testify. He won't go to court to challenge it. He will just honor the Subpoena Anna. That's what's new. But he's saying this while the Senate is in this back and forth about how a trial would go right. I mean what are the chances that he would even be subpoenaed. I think the chances are pretty slim now. The Democrats Senator Chuck Schumer has said he wants to hear testimony from Bolton and other White House officials remember. Republicans complained repeatedly league that the house didn't have enough firsthand witnesses in the impeachment inquiry. Of course that's because the White House blocked almost anyone with firsthand. Knowledge from testifying Bolton is one of those people people he had conversations with Donald Trump about the frozen aid he is the highest ranking White House official that we know from testimony Tony from his former. Aides was trying to get the aid released. He very famously described the the holdup of the aid as a drug deal. That he you didn't want any part of but Mitch McConnell. The Republican leader has said. It's too early to talk about witnesses. He said after the opening statements. Then we can talk about witnesses. And even if Bolton was subpoenaed the White House could go to court to stop the subpoena and say that Bolton was covered by this broad executive testimonial immunity and doesn't even after after show up We know that bolden was concerned at least about how Ukraine policy was being executed. I want to go back to healthy on a hill the Russia expert at the NFC described Tim in her testimony. Before the House Ambassador Bolton had looked pained basically indicated with body language. That was nothing. which could do about wanted any then? The cost of that discussion said that Rudy. Giuliani was hungry. That was going to blow everyone up. So if John Bolton did testify is there any percents that he'd be a good witness either for Democrats or in defense of the president. Well that is a good question. Democrats clearly assume he'd be a good witness for them. Based on what Hill. Oh testified and what other aid said. He wasn't a fan of Rudy Giuliani freelancing on Ukraine policy. He certainly wanted aid to go to Ukraine because they were involved in a hot war against Russia. But there's no guarantee he would be a great witness for Democrats because he might very likely claim executive privilege for any conversations. He had with the president. What should we know about him? A little bit of context and give us idea why this is happening. He's a long-term time foreign policy hawk very conservative on Iran North Korea and Russia He's also a player in conservative politics. He has a couple of Super PACs he certainly believes the president should have brought immunity a president any president. We don't know exactly exactly why he's coming forward at this time we do know. He hasn't book coming out in the spring that is expected to cover his time in the trump administration N._p._R.'s. Mara Liasson. Thank you thank you.

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2262 - John Bolton Bombshell & Biden Lies About His Record w/ Nomiki Konst & the MR Crew

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

1:07:20 hr | 8 months ago

2262 - John Bolton Bombshell & Biden Lies About His Record w/ Nomiki Konst & the MR Crew

"You are listening to a Free Berge of majority report with Sam Cedar to support this show and get another fifty minutes daily program go to resort he dot. FM Please Jarrah. It is Monday. Hey January twenty seventh two thousand twenty. My Name is Sam Cedar. That's the five time award. Winning majority report we are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage canal in the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn. USA on the program today. Boldon's book leaks creating gating nightmare scenario for vulnerable Republican senators. Meanwhile EBOR FRU men surreptitiously audio recording reveals the insanity that is the trump administration latest polls show a massive surge for sanders as the DNC builds. A firewall Kobe Bryant and his thirteen year roll daughter and seven others die in a helicopter crash and Donald Trump's defense team flails els senators decide soon whether witnesses will be called. Meanwhile while Jared Kushner reportedly has worked out the details of his Israeli Palestinian peace plan. So that's good. Tennessee now provides legal protection for adoption agencies which discriminate against gay people. The Pentagon says thirty four troops suffered traumatic brain injuries in the Iranian strike the CIA. I used a prisoner as a torture training. Prop and lastly a former Salvadoran general admits that the US backed military committed the massacre at Kazan. Jose all this and more on today's program and sitting in today. Aw helping us out is no McKee. Const- you did it of the No McKee show how McKee not. How are you doing great Samuel? Ul Ten is actually the way yes thanks for stopping in hanging with US and your show. When is it launching? It launched this weekend. It's Austrian okay and it is is now on Youtube at the full show is on youtube visually everything. It's up there right now. shoehorning video okay. And I'm learning the lingo videos audio visual album beyond say this is all holographic material. It's all a Hologram right here in your studio to see the new technology so okay. So what is the Patriot. Address to the Patriarch Address is www dot. I Patriot dot com slash. The NOMI key show and I and we've all the different kinds of membership starting at nine dollars a going all the way up to a million dollars just fund the show for life and we. I'm excited because we released the first show and some extras as well for patriotic members. And I'm going to be releasing a few more extras this week interviews that I've I've done the last couple of days and some takes we're going to be discussing the DNC here. But I'm saving the good stuff of course my show. Of course I'm used to that dynamic. Believe me believe me. Believe me. All right that's great So we'll put a link in In the podcast description today with so much news It's it's nuts. Obviously the bolt story. We're going to get to that. That is a massive in terms of you know and I don't WanNa get into it now but the I think everybody who who listen to the show on a semi regular basis realizes that for me impeachment has always been about the Democrats taking back the Senate and in that regard I think we have reached the peak efficacy. That impeachment impeachment could could be in that respect and I should just reiterate that's political. I mean I think I think we need to hold powerful people to account. I think I think there should have been a half dozen of the things that we impeach Donald Trump over and but got a story of the CIA using One of the prisoners that they had Back in the early ought has a basically a A training guide Ed on how to torture people. And frankly you know since everybody's convened. Let's let's impeach the Bush administration and those as war criminals from there but We will get to all that in just a moment but first over the weekend right. Was it over the weekend. The a march for life and instead sadly yes. You did miss it. I'm not surprised by that. It is the first first time in history that A. US President has appeared at the march for life. I don't need to tell you know me that the a woman's right to choose in this country has been abrogated it is. He's in for practical purposes. Gone within a maybe a half a dozen states at this point for practical standpoint. I mean when you could still cross lines State lines and get an abortion and other states or if you have the opportunity to travel x amount of miles and you're you're wealthy it's there but for for many people many women who are living in poverty or simply don't have Much means this right has been abrogated in. The Supreme Court is allowing now trap laws and a whole host of ways in which this rights being curtailed and the Supreme Court as it's constituted. Now we may see them continue to infringe upon that right if not overturn it completely. But here's Donald Trump And this dynamic is the one that I think explains his Ability to become president in Twenty he's sixteen which is that the right. The Self identified Evangelical Christians who we know a significant portion of. Don't even attend church. It is an identity is an identity. It is it's it's a tribal identity that is not necessarily defined by any actions or even beliefs necessarily surly at least in the context of Christianity. However they understand that on the cultural level Donald Trump is one of is is not necessarily one of them but he's going to do their bidding and he has proved it and he has delivered in a way that I think frankly no other? Republican president has delivered so specifically on this amount. He had a list from the Heritage Foundation of judges he was GONNA appoint. He's appointed every single one of them and more because he doesn't care. Yeah and his complete lack of shamelessness is a huge strength of him. Here's his because he can say this in such a way that that it gives the Evangelical Christians a plausible deniability about who this guy really is. Here is one on one on Fox News. Who's is this guy? Do we know who the we don't know just a nameless Fox drome training for that part do you know who he is pattern hood as yet that guy in the blue and the blue sky. Oh he fills in for Laura Ingraham guy here. He is interviewing the president about that moment. When the president came to be pro-life there were saying you elevated this movement and that you made them feel included the others are saying? You're you're doing this for politics. It's an election year. When was the moment when you went from pro choice to pro life? What's moment well? It was and there was a specific moment and it was. It's quite a while ago but it was something that's turned out to be even more. I think probably even more of a truth than I would have thought at the time but It's just an honor to be here today. You know. They have tens of thousands of people outside to Raymond. So this was They're all time record and I think they'd be a lot and incredible people. They just incredible people. It's Raymond is the guy's name apparently and that's not only was it a specific moment but it's even gotten more true at that moment. I thought it was when Malania was pregnant with Barron. He's told this story before he just forgot it. I couldn't remember yes right. Not that was the moment and that moment's got more true. Is He's groaned. Tyler was specific. It was specific moment. Mettler that to me Raymond Raymond Arroyo Roya there is one. God told him that he was supposed to rain over this country because every Republican president has said that one moment God spoke to him and because they're all men and that he was going to President George W Bush to this and of course this is John Jellicoe speak because I think one way that they can release themselves from their conscious is by saying well. This was God's Choice Josh Redemption and God's choice and I think with with Bush. I think he's actually I think think he's actually legit at least in the context of Christianity. Obviously trump is lying. He doesn't Care He. I mean now I I think that to the extent that he has any and that's fine. I mean he is being you know. I wish we had politicians on the laughed aft- who have no emotional attachment to any of it but deliver plan the specifics that we want in terms of the policy. I don't care the Joe. uh-huh Biden got up there and said you know what I last night. The ours showed up at the edge of my bed. And he said expand social scurity and Medicare for all and I looked at Bernie's proposal and I don't think it goes far enough. I think we need to do more. And that's on day one. That's GONNA I do and somebody said. When did that moment happened because you know the other the other day and if if if three years into into his presidency we could say wow yeah he did it? I'd be like God. Bless I mean. I don't care and but with that that said we're talking about a political program not something that's supposedly based upon some type of personal morality which ostensibly we hear your and have heard of this this moral preaching for decades. Now the one thing that is confusing for me is didn't you can't Donald Trump. Just get a bunch of pushback from evangelical leaders in forgot which publication it was like an Jellicoe publication and they all let to`real all Christianity today or something like that. Yeah I think that's an outlier. It's okay it's but it but it was powerful was like the most read publication and they had said You know we're not supporting this manner. Whatever right but you know? They're not he told news the exactly it's all and you know we we only follow one leader Donald Trump. So they're not gonNA listen to that and save your Donald Trump Folks postage rates have gone up again. THANKFULLY STAMPS DOT COM. 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It's too many things and I don't like any of it and I don't like it goes back to my childhood. Oh talk about that but All right let's get into this The big story in terms of impeachment. And as we speak the I think today is if I'm not mistaken is Alan Dershowitz. He's GonNa get up for an hour and he he's going to talk about how the constitution says you cannot impeach president for abuse of power and of course it's completely contrary to what he said in the past he's pretending he's not working for the president he is This is Alan Dershowitz doing his best to keep at arms length but meanwhile wow this story about the John Bolton thing that is going to make this difference from the beginning I have never thought that donald trump could be the thrown out of office unless he there is there was actual video of condemn naked. Right around the front of the White House chasing small boy. That is the only circumstance where I believe that it is possible for him. Not only to be impeach impeach impeach now but impeached and removed from. He hired Alan Dershowitz. Just in case he needed to be protected from chasing. It's a twofer. Yes and they probably find a way to rationalize it. The I think it would be close. I think it would be close but it depends on how explicit the video is if it was grainy you in any way read fake news but the real. The real issue in terms of impeachment are a half a dozen senators. Thom Tillis both senators in Georgia particularly the new one Joni Ernst and and Martha Sally. I said it right. Finally Obviously Susan Collins Cory Gardner I think who else do we have Joni Ernst. Tom Taylor I mean those are the big ones right there. Thom tillis polling poorly against his rival. Susan is in Collins's in deep trouble. Cory Gardner is in deep trouble. Joni Ernst may be having some problems. Martha mcsally is going to have some problems. I think think those folks Georgia could very well have some problems. We just lost the Progressive Challenger in that race sadly in the primary for lack of funding ending. But this is going to make it even harder. Because apparently Joe John Bolton's book. The publisher announced what's coming out march seventeenth which is two days after. Most of the filing deadlines for primaries against these Peop- These senators and they are jammed up. They're gonNA vote to exonerate the president. That's going to happen no matter what the real question is can they afford to the vote for witnesses. I think let's listen to what Mitt Romney says here. Because has mitt. Romney is a guy who is the only one I think. Maybe Lamar Alexander. 'cause he's retiring but he's so close to Mitch McConnell but it's it's also here's the other thing that's that's operative here. Well we'll talk about that. It's like here's listen to Mitt Romney. This increasingly apparent that it would would be important to hear from John Bolton I I of course will make a final decision on witnesses after we've heard from not only the prosecution but also the defense but I think at the stage is pretty fair to say that John Bolton has a relevant testimony. I think it's Increasingly likely are the Republicans will Will join those of us who think we should hear from John Bolton now this is interesting because Lamar Alexander Susan Collins Lisa Murkowski Murkowski's mcaliskey's not endanger. But she has a brand to maintain and she's already had her issues with the Republican Party. She won is right. He's he's been meeting with them. All they need is four votes and it's quite possible that the witnesses come in and if the witnesses come in I think what they're gonNA do is they're going to put John Bolton behind a closed door session. They're going to keep his deposition secret. They're going to. They're going to avoid the whole thing and that's it But the problem we have is a Jon. Boat comes out three weeks later and they can say that he's lying but you mean comes out on. TV and just gives his version manner. You always go round with his book now. Two months later and he's going to say this is what I said in those hearings and he's an what people's understand about John bold he's he's crazy eh nut he loves TV and just says. I mean he's off you think trump's crazy different kind of crazy and looks remember. This guy was all over or Fox. New Eight exactly. It's going to be very hard to sort of scrub the existence of this guy. But here's the other thing. I think someone like Thom Tillis. I think someone like Joni Ernst. I think someone like maybe even Cory Gardner. Although that's arguable. They're not going to vote for witnesses. They're just GONNA go down with the ship because if they're looking at a situation where they're gonNA lose either way right because if they abandoned trump or trump decides did they didn't they didn't do what trump wants. They're going to attack him. They'RE GONNA lose then they're screwed out of any sort of like post political or post sort of political entrepreneurial they want to go back and lobby their friends and if they are if they're talks Iq and Donald Trump wins again. They're in big big trouble they can join. MSNBC as contributors. That's the only option that they'll have at that point but I don't think Thom Tillis I mean they. They would have to completely do a three sixty at this point or one eighty. But I mean. Isn't that the calculation. Do you think that they're doing. I mean I think one factor that plays into this McConnell holds the funds to and so he knows very well that in order to keep the Senate in place he has to balance out. You know. It's like light pressure really does come down to Mitch McConnell. And what he's pressuring them to do and knowing very specifically the polling down to the counties down to the precincts where the audience is. Are you know the the voters are on this topic. It's really it's not an easy calculus at the end of the day. I mean he has to peer strong Mitch McConnell. He has to appear like the Republican Party is is in unique. I think what you're saying about. Holding the witnesses behind closed doors is the safe path for him and the same path for all of them including Amaro exander who of course is listening painful lease painful and Collins at the end of the day as independent as she appears to be she often votes in line. Always I mean always unless it's completely meaningless. So why are we even having a conversation about her if well I think I think the bottom line is just this is that there is in all these states. I don't think they're swing voters in the context necessarily of a presidential election night. But they want their senator to show a certain amount of independence which is why they can justify voting for trump and they are those conservatives that you may have met that you know were sort of maybe Jeb Bush conservatives who listened to NPR and think that they're getting both sides of the story because I'm listening to NPR. And those are the people all that I think are going to abandon these Republican senators. They'll still vote for trump. I think for the most part but I think the ideas that I I want a divided government I wanted to make it seem like I'm you know so as long as they get my tax cuts. I can still sort of like a play this off. I I have a feeling I mean. That's basically what we're talking about. And that's also I think why the Democrats have been and I've found it distasteful frankly but show show not full-on jingoistic but pretty jingoistic in some of their Their approaches to this. You know the the militaristic aspects of of of Ukraine But it'll be it'll be fascinating to see how they handle this over the next couple of days because they just destroyed God literally dozens of Republican senators arguments. Like there's no one who's heard specifically that the president had a quid WPRO quote. Well John Bolton Mick Mulvaney have in fact the march seventeenth. The book comes out the book. Now it's just been announced it's coming out march seventeenth eighteenth. That's two months before the Georgia primary. Our table yeah may do you think it's going to have any application in terms of of of the Democratic primaries. I don't see why would I don't think so at all. I mean unless Joe Biden gets called gets the painted because they could spin fifty one votes. And then there's going to be pressure on him to show up. I think I mean that won't affect the primaries for other Wolfer Joe Biden of course but in terms of Senate races and and other races. I don't think it will melt. No so here are the sort of big supposedly tiddly. At least this is according to the New York Times and it's unclear who leaked this. They the manuscript was sent to the White House to be vetted for stuff that was sensitive in terms of national security The lawyer the The Times the the lawyer said that the manuscript was sent there the Times implies that people have seen different drafts which are different than the manuscript right right like that's not the final version and so it's unclear where this is coming from right. This was somebody else. I can't imagine did he. Yeah he had I'm sure he had a ghost rider if I if it's if it's not you know co credited I don't know but apparently it says that one one in an August meeting with bulletin trump said he didn't want to release the aid until Ukraine sent all the documents pertaining to Hillary Hillary and Biden. Now here's the thing this also. We heard the eager for fruman tape. You start start to get the sense that Donald Trump is just an idiot lunatic and it's unclear if he's it depends on what your definition of lying yes but like with intent with you. Know Awareness rests that this is not this I mean he may think he's not breaking the law because he doesn't understand the law he doesn't even which is defense but it's more like you can in here people around the table basically showing that this guy. It's really the last person who speaks to him right and you could tell him anything. And if you're the last person to say it and with some conviction he just be like okay. It's it's fascinating. Yeah in terrifying to hear the level of conversation that's happening around this table. It's a fundraising. Apparently Jack Nicholson's grandson. was there too. They're all talking about golf. It's very weird anyways in a meeting about the trump wanted to release a Ukraine. Wanted all the documents he you WanNa Mike Pomp Heo apparently according to Bolton told him that he knew that the allegations against Maria Vich were false. He believed that Rudy may have been pursuing another agenda when he floated did them as a way of getting rid of Ivanovich. Because what's clearly happening. Is it turns out that new trump enough to be sitting in that room. Mm before they started working with Rudy Giuliani which basically is consistent would would buy their that. You had mobsters trying to get rid of Ivanovich because they wanted to keep a dirty prosecutor there and rudy just getting paid. Uh He there his clients. Insofar as like they've hired rudy to orchestrate. All this stuff. It's it's unbelievable. This is the guy who recode the city in the early eighties and flip the imprisoned. All the mobsters pretty pretty well. You're always halley mobsters. He's a self hating tally All the Italian Russians out which opened the door for for a lot of Russian mob. Starting a boom I mean and someone just put up an old Wayne Barrett story on twitter that show that Charges against trump just died and Rudy Giuliani off but back in the day but so Pompeii on new that Ivanovich was getting was being set up and apparently Bolton Olden told Bill Bar that bill bar was mentioned in the July call to Lansky Bill Bar has claimed claimed that he only learned about that in August so boldness throwing all these people under the bus bar so loyal to trump yes and and according to Bolton Mick Mulvaney was on at least one call with Rudy Giuliani. So Mick Mulvaney knew what was going on. He he gets thrown under the bus. And Apparently Bolton Pompeo and Mark Asper all told trump to release the aid almost a dozen times James this is according to bowl so this stuff is incredibly damning. And there's nobody's issued any denials. This is so crazy. So let's think about how this came about. He must have written this when before the impeachment or I mean. Of course there's several versions but well he was jettisoned like four months ago. Ripe four or five months ago. The impeachment started three months ago. Essentially so he's been writing it for the past four months and everybody knows must have known the search process but he's basically introducing himself to the impeachment trial. He's trying he's been trying him. He announced a week or two ago that he would if he was subpoenaed by the Senate he would come in and talk and it is nuts. It's nuts now. I should also add. I wouldn't trust John Bolton with anything the thing I don't think he's lying about this stuff. I just think that his agenda is different from you and die but use him as a lever to get a democratic Senate. I'm all in favor of that. That's basically Klay my my my thinking there It's nuts. It's absolutely nuts and we're gonNA find out in the next couple of days as to whether they're the Republicans I mean. I think it's super dangerous for them. Not to vote to have witnesses. I think they're gonNA vote to have witnesses. They'RE WE'RE GONNA THEY'RE GONNA hide Bolton they're going to ride that out and just they must realize they're gonNA lose the Senate. The question is is is by how much I mean. It's one thing to lose three or four seats or you know. I guess if you lose three that's it right and before seats you gotTa lose but if they lose six or seven and meanwhile just to remind everybody Chris Coons is building the machine in which he's going to sell out all the Democrats he is working right now on his gang of whatever it's going to be and so they're gonNA come out he is going to be. It's going to be him and somebody else. He's GonNa try and weasel in there and get credit for this witness deal. And he's going start to forge this transpartisan alliance which is only going to the opera. If a Democrat takes the White House and particularly if the Democrats take the Senate he is going. I WanNa be the Joe Lieberman. He's GonNa put himself right in the middle of the Fulcrum of this and he's going to screw a sell us out and he's going to do it with I don't know if he's going to do it with Mark Kelly or do it with You know Hickenlooper or mansion or Kristen Cinema. I mean that's the only only the only question is which one of those are going to finally say like wait a second. Maybe I'm progressive again. Because I'm no longer in the mix of decided you know one of the powerful ones. It's not gonNA be cinema because cinema took that turn. I mean she ran as the most progressive state legislator you're in Arizona and for Congress and literally became the most conservative member. It's I mean who knows because this is all about with these senators. It's all about putting themselves in position where they have as much power in the Senate as they can get and for some of them that me and it's also a function of what's happening in their state in terms of trump so mansion. I don't think he can move really even if he wanted to. I don't think he wants to. I think he's you know I think he's You you know. I don't know if he's literally a corporate criminal but he's one could describe him like that and not be Being the General Ballpark Magin if there was a progressive I mean I know that Paula wearing is is run against him. But somebody who could CA- had media attention like Cynthia Nixon of West Virginia that could run as a progressive that could run against mansion because he is not working class and is the second that's exposed and amass massive way in West Virginia. He comes tremendously Asli Vulnerable. There is a guy named Stephen Smith I think his name is who is running a fascinating campaign for the governorship. I think they're in West Virginia and if he wins didn't yeah. I think that'll be the I think that will be the beginning of the end of the Joe Mansions right because it will create a template I mean you you know. There's there's so many things that are up in the air right now. That are just nuts. I WanNa talk about when we going to fund half. I WANNA promise people. We're GonNa talk about the appointments that Tom Perez is made to the DNC. And pick up on this conversation that we keep having to punt because of the the enormous amount of anymore. I think it happened. Well I think you got this time around. Yeah I this to me looks very the way the same yes. This happens every single time all right. Well we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Cesar and we should just Just so much news here that it's sort of nuts. Let's just three talk about well the what's happening right now in Iowa. I saw a tweet last night from a Political reporter said that they've been covering Iowa Wolf since two thousand and I guess they were there was a rally in ames. AFC and And and Bernie Sanders and and they said they've never seen that kind of turn out that that Bernie had one quarter of the crowd six months ago and they had never seen turn out like that at a rally There is I I WANNA talk to you about All of this obviously but the polling is starting to show like any. pull out a pole with showing Bernie pulling away in Iowa New Hampshire running with it right. It's in one never knows. They apparently have asked the sanders campaign has asked volunteers to stop making phone calls from out of state into who Iowa because they were supposed to five million they've done seven million and they now want people to stay in their home states particularly if if you're primaries in March yeah and start to go door to door Yep if there's an office your state we don't have any Orca F.. The next type in getting from Bernie have been a little different lately at first it was like pulling up coming from behind the Bunny Jamie and and now it's like let's keep the momentum going through with great they should have audio. They should have a system. There should be a way to do an audio audiotext. That's interesting that would be helpful to for your home my head. Yeah audio. Because you're right. Everybody knows his voice. I'm not opening an MP three from some number. I don't know that's true. Yeah also voicemail. Maybe you can't you. I can't do that through the texting programs. You can't like send from what I understand because we use those for our campaign and I was like Oh send a video or send to this. And they're like we can't do that. We can only send like at this many words and tell people. RSVP something well. I'm going to get it up for my phone. That reads all my texts in the Bernie Voice. Then that'll solve the problem and you do that. Probably do you remember when the GPS system hired Snoop Dogg to do one of the voices that was available on your. Your car. Fire was doing stuff like that. I don't I don't know why they don't do more of that. That's what's special perk. I will read your tax free for a month and you subscribe. Just careful what you wish find with nine print but here I think this is. I think this is This is the problem. That that that Joe Biden's Haydn's having I mean Joe Biden seems to be like sort of. I don't know if you could say he's cratering but it feels like it. He's dropping to you know tide more or less for third in a couple of these polls maybe close to fourth and some What goes so? There's a little hot take. This is not my heartache and I don't I don't know if I contribute it but if I ah I'll ask the person later if I contribute on forum Very smart analysis in Iowa bandages support is very soft and Biden is the main second choice given an electability pretty screen Biden. Could pick up on in the caucuses because of the perceived trank strength against trump which is scary to him because in his mind Biden's very plausibly. The weakest in general obviously obviously and so he breaks down the polling. The this is the police came out near times. Poll think CNN. Yes Paul came out a couple days ago You know that's why we have to pay attention to these second choices and these you know electability numbers and it's it's it's that's why it's so important. That Bernie has such a strong lead. Can't just be a couple points at has to. He has to have ten predict Biden. Comes in second yeah. It's say it's a problem but it's delegate problem it's a problem because he needs to be thrashed. I think uh-huh to dislodge the foundations of his support in South Carolina and in Texas. I think to a certain extent to where it's just sort of like built upon this notion that he is the guy can be trump. The weakness needs to be perceived by. He needs to be exactly exactly. Because it's not like I'm Bernie coming fourth and he's not going to lose his base at all yeah they might get more fired up bright because their support for him is founded upon other things. I think that's true of Warren. To a certain extent I think Buddha judge is also sort of soft in that way but but Biden more than any of them I think like if he comes in third or fourth in Iowa if he comes in fourth in Iowa and third in New Hampshire let's say right becomes the third erred in New Hampshire. Four th I mean third and fourth in New Hampshire. I think he's got some problems I think it's like from the perspective of people don't buy obviously fourth fourth in Iowa is best case scenario because then that will effect where he is in New Hampshire and so on and so on so he's supposed to be donald trump when he can't can't even beat this crazy socialist from Vermont. Well it's also I think I think there's I think it's I think that's the idea or anybody never mind the craziest socials. Who can't get ahead of warn? He can't get ahead of Buddha. Chick I mean. I think that's the whole point. That's why fourth as opposed to second is is so key but what also I think is hurting him as one and I think it looked week for him to say that he wasn't going to testify because people remember that Hillary Clinton was able to go in front of that Benghazi Committee for eleven hours. I'm basically handed the tray gouty that she was not running at that point yet where she wasn't running. But I mean it was an expectation that you would have have of course of someone that if they are completely being maligned that they can go up and defend themselves for twelve hours for however many hours. The man can't get off off-script well by could he could come in and say I'll testify but we're limiting it to two hours but there's going to be a million issues that pop up aside from the fact that his son is he's he gets defensive around the subject he snapped at reporters. You snapped at at Voters I was just GonNa say like why. Why why why would he not go in? That should be a sound on your. How do we not have that? Not Coming up now maybe get off your phone report report. Why why? Why is twitter? Come on a million things. That wouldn't be boxing. I'm a human sample all right. This is the other thing that I think. Come on. Man This is the other thing that I think is causing him. A problem is Joe Biden arguing. Which one should we start with two? You were three well. Let's start with three. Here's three. This is Joe Biden saying I never proposed a freeze freeze on social security. Do you think though that it's it's fair for voters to question your commitment to social security when in the past you proposed freeze for freeze. We're talking about. We mean when we went together and decided in the context of balancing. The Budget Committee voted for the context of we save social security during the Reagan administration astray. She was about to go under and everyone from Teddy Kennedy on voted for that to save social security. Okay here. Let's play the clip and you can see the data this is. What is that ninety-five? Which incidentally I bad data math but his over a decade over ten years? After the time that he's claimed it was true during the during the Reagan administration the Senate everybody went along with it. They raised taxes on social security taxes. In anticipation of the baby. Boom getting into getting into retirement and they raised taxes have not raised the cap sufficiently since since then. But that did increase the amount of money available in the trust fund and deal with this sort of glut of people that we had that were born after the war. Here's Joe Biden over ten years later. He's bragging about this. It's not he's not talking about the same thing when I argued if we should freeze federal spending ice ice meant social security as well. I meant Medicare Medicaid veterans but I'm at every single solitary things in the government and not only tried it once I try to twice. I tried to the third time I tried it a fourth. Wow that's I mean that's he maybe. Maybe I don't know her needs to take that ad I mean look here here is by now again. That's crazy easy short backtracking because apparently he didn't realize that C. Span is available problems. Actually actually in real contention we'll get the home nation despite with Bernie Sanders over social security. You've said that he quote doctored video view from the Senate back in the day talking about social security ready to argue that the cost of living adjustments as part of a general spending freeze for necessary to cut federal spending and reduce the deficit. That aside uh-huh even if sanders is playing a little rough here and your position has changed. What about those Democratic voters who say Jason? What about those Democratic voters who say that Bernie's been consistent this whole time were hasn't been but I'm not gonNA Attack Bernie? He has been. He hadn't even been consistent social security. But here's the deal. I laid out clearly. What my plan for Social Security is going to increase security benefits? I'M GONNA raise taxes for people making over four hundred thousand dollars so they pay the same tax on every dollar. You pay your salary or one hundred thousand or fifty or forty forty thousand dollars that will in fact allow us to get those folks who are outliving their social security in terms of benefits be able then to increase their benefits. Those families where a spouse dies in total social security goes down crease right. I mean the the plan that is proposing with the donut hole. I I might drop it a little bit lower but I mean that above four hundred thousand. I mean the bottom line is the reason why we're taking in less income as for social security is because of huge wealth disparity and good plan. But he's lying about his record and it is true that Sanders has not been totally consistent at sometimes. He said he wants to increase social security and at other times says I want to increase social security more than that. But that's that's it at one point. He said the word adjustment and it was clear what he was saying was increase unreal. That's what they're hanging on. As he said adjustment set adjustment but book ended in that same year he called for increases. So He's saying we should adjust just social security it instead of. It's just it's just not working. It's not resonating sanders responding to the to This is this weekend and I'm struck walk by this because well we'll do this. Talk in a second. Let me ask about vice president. Joe Biden. He's looking for an apology for video. Circulated aided by your campaign that he says takes his position on social security out of context. We apologize not on that one. I won't for many many many years. United States senator. Joe Biden has been on the floor and elsewhere talking about the need to freeze or social security benefits. I voted for the balanced bunch of dimensions. So you believe it is wrong. That Vice President Biden supported a freeze of cost of living adjustments and social security absolutely voted against their l. ways to raise money in order to protect the working families of this country cutting social security. Ain't one of them. I mean you know. That's good for him and what what's what strikes me is. How salient social security remains Barack Obama I'm convinced and I and I haven't found Ed. Maybe dig around for this little bit. But Barack Obama the way that I that he I mean in addition obviously all this stuff in the ground game but in terms of rhetoric going going into the Iowa caucus he started talking about social security and There was no they didn't have A. There was no difference between the candidates candidates in terms of like their social security. They had never taken votes for social security. They probably were all on the same page of like we need to sort of cut social security or to the extent that anybody had indicated anything but what he did is he said social security was in a crisis. Now I was. I did not like this. Obviously because social security would not a crisis and I don't like that type of rhetoric. I'm just I'm just talking about in the context of what he did. It said it was in crisis in just by saying that was in crisis without sort of even talking about a solution necessarily it got. I think a gained a lot of votes because he acknowledged he created a problem. That's right that people didn't necessarily know existed or you know didn't exist but but that that they assumed okay he's on it and I care so much about my social security. I want the person so focused on social security. They're aware that there's a problem. They're going to help me deal with it. I mean I found that fascinating and I think that's what's happening here except for the D. There's a much greater sort of distinction between the two candidates in terms of the way they they have approached us. Carry in the past. It's it's so crazy to me that we are having essentially what used to be. I mean I don't mean in like forty years ago I mean even lock box. Remember the lock box with with Gore and Bush. I mean these were conversations. Democrats ad against inst- Republicans Biden. Probably even though. He voted in the nineties. He probably even had these conversations against Republicans until it didn't suit him or the DLC came in and said Switzer tactics tactics were you know we got to balance the budget. Whatever I mean even when Gore was talking about locked box they were still talking about balancing the budget? I mean the lock box was more just sort of like let's not allow cuts to social security. Because they've already locks actually referred back to what Bush subsequently later now if you remember this but he went to the Treasury Department did a press up in the Treasury Department or surrounded by file cabinets and he said this is where he's so securities already. Gone it's just. I owe US Open these drawers. Just says I owe us. That's Nothin' and yes. And this is the way that That Bush was trying to privatize ties social security. And then everybody's sort of understood like Oh that's what he meant by lock box as in the money that's owed that you cannot not allow the general budget to raid from the Social Security Trust Fund to borrow money because later the Republicans are GonNa try and default on those Loans his brilliant. That's like some messaging you know but Bush. Yeah I mean Bush era of course was the the message was key but standing in front of a bunch of as it did not it did not work. I mean that's how no it did not work. They tried on social security. I mean that's the thing that social security had such a salience billions and that is why but it wasn't during the election it was once he was in office. I thought it was an electoral. Oh no no no yeah no this was in two thousand two thousand five or something like that and but I guess the the the thing that I don't know that the the voters know yet and maybe this is like the second act of this sort of play is to say say that Joe Biden's perspective on social security is going to be a liability against Donald Trump because donald trump could play the same video. That's right and don trump could say like I've never tried to cut social security will real social security is older voters who were around and may actually remember. This are going to be reminded of this. It's not like you're speaking to a new. I don't think there was anybody at the time that they were listening to. That was saying this is a problem. It was just taken for granted largely but the only way to deal with this problem is to you know his to cut or I mean. That's that's why the Obama Administration for three. Maybe four four years three and a half a basically we're putting on the table cuts social security in this way cuts in the increase of cost of living which or I should say cut cuts in the form of lowering the cost of living adjustments. and which is of course a cut unless you have massive acid deflation of pharmaceutical prices which we have not had and we were never going to have all right we gotta take a break head into the fun half as WanNa remind nine people the way you support this program if you enjoy it and the way you get extra content and the way you listen to it without commercials go go to join the majority report dot Com so easy so convenient you go there and then like you hear trumpets and all sorts of good things happen join the majority report dot Com also the AM quickey getting it out the door earlier people responding very well it's spicier it's funnier it's there's more of like a I'm splitting my time with Lucy Steiner doing Each morning I think people are loving it and the more you subscribe to. 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Trump says he fired National Security Adviser John Bolton after many strong disagreements; Bolton says he resigned; Sources: extracted spy had access to Russia's Putin and could even provide images of documents on his desk; New statement from NOAA assista

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Trump says he fired National Security Adviser John Bolton after many strong disagreements; Bolton says he resigned; Sources: extracted spy had access to Russia's Putin and could even provide images of documents on his desk; New statement from NOAA assista

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You're in the situation room this is CNN breaking new following breaking news on the Abrupt Rob and bitter exit of National Security Adviser John Bolton President trump announcing in a tweet that Bolton was fired citing strong disagreements with many of his proposals Bolton says he resigned after months of conflict sources say the president in Bolton got into a heated argument overnight about MR trump's cancelled plan to host Taliban leaders at Camp David Bolton reportedly oppose the idea also breaky. CNN's exclusive new poll finds six out of ten Americans now say president trump does not deserve to be reelected. There's approval rating a stick down to only thirty nine percent and more than half of those surveyed say he's doing a bad job keeping his campaign promises. I'll get reaction from Democratic Congressman Roger Christopher Murphy. He's on the Intelligence and Oversight Recite committees and our correspondents analysts are also standing by first. Let's go to our chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta Jim whether Bolton was fired or resign. He's gone from an administration that one source is likening to snake. That's right wolf and president trump is searching for a new national security. Adviser is with this evening after he abruptly announced John Bolton have been fired in that tweet earlier today president gave Bolton the boot after the two men clashed over key foreign policy decision areas including Mr Trump's scrap plan to invite the Taliban to Camp David for peace talks. I'm told the president was upset. That Bolton to try to create the impression that Vice President Mike Pence I was opposed to that Camp David ideas well but as one top of ministration official told US earlier today President's national security team is not a mess for now former National Security Adviser John Bolton it was an uncertain bonus firing by tweet standing outside the West Wing just hours before he was scheduled Joint Secretary Korea State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin to answer questions from reporters Bolton was suddenly gone with his former administration rivals. I'm never surprised Christ all smiles the presence entitled to the staff that he wants that at any moment this is a staff person who works directly for the President United States and he should have people trust in values and whose efforts judgments benefit him and delivering American foreign policy this White House insists bolden was fired the president announcing in a tweet. I informed John John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagree strongly with many of the suggestions as did others in the administration and therefore I asked John for his resignation Zig nation which was given to me this morning. I think John Very much for a service. I will be naming a new national security adviser next week but Bolton essentially tweeted. That's not true claiming claiming I offered to resign last night and president trump said let's talk about it tomorrow. Despite the fact that Mr Trump has now gone through three national security advisers administration officials will say there's no insecurity when it comes to the president's foreign policy national security team of absolutely not that's the most ridiculous question I've ever Curto. Let me just say the national security team. which is what you asked consists of the national security advisor the Secretary of defense the Secretary Secretary of state myself the chief of staff and many others yeah course sources tell C. N? N. Bolton had clashed clashed with the president over a number of critical issues including Mr Trump's scrap plan to invite leaders of the Taliban to Camp David just days before September eleventh the President and Vice President President Mike Pence believe Bolton's team was leaking stories. The top administration officials were questioning the idea of a Taliban meeting and think that there's some public public discussions about been on the other side of meat when the Taliban probably was a bridge too far. I don't know what happened there. A Foreign Policy Hawk Fulton also dislike like the idea of sitting down with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Hoon aides say Bolton's contrasting views and outspoken style had irritated the president for months. His strong views send things but that's okay. I actually temper John which is pretty amazing. Isn't it mold and also found himself at odds with POMPEII. Oh who's much more willing to tout the president's foreign policy views yes. I know everyone's talked about this for an awfully long time. There were definitely places ambassador and I pulled had different views with Bolton out of the way the administration to sounding much more open to the idea of Mr Trump's sitting adding down with Iran's president at the upcoming United Nations General Assembly the President has made clear. He's happy to take a meeting with no preconditions but we are maintaining the maximum the pressure campus and the former national security adviser John Bolton did say in that tweet that he resigned yesterday evening offered his letter of resignation yesterday evening but we put this up on screen. This is the letter of resignation offered up by the White House today from John. Bolton is dated September tenth. That's today it says I hereby resign effective immediately as assist into the president for National Security Affairs thank you for having affordably this opportunity to serve our country wolf. National Security Adviser John Bolton was outspoken on a a number of issues he clashed with the president on just about everything under the Sun but that's a resignation letter right there might be the short statement ever issued by John Bolton since he's been here in Washington Antony and I I take it there's already emerging some sort of list of potential successors What are you hearing? Oh that's right well. There's a whole range of of names being considered right now. Extra is one of the names that has been mentioned. I just talked to a source close to the White House who floated that name out just a short while ago a AH he has also been under considered a consideration for director of National Intelligence. Wolf is interesting to note. The president has to fill that position position as well as we speak so the president has been dealing this for some time now as he's gone through national security advisor after national security adviser after National Security Adviser and then acting secretary of defense over at the Pentagon this national security team has been in a state of flux ever since Donald Trump was sworn into office as president and despite what you heard the secretary of the Treasury say earlier this afternoon at this briefing that is national security team is not a mess there are a lot of disagreements in this town has to that assessment assessment. There are people in this city obviously on both sides of the aisle from time to time. This president's national security team has been a big Mess Wolf to Picasso at the White House. Thanks very much. Let's get some more John Bolton's abrupt exit. We're joined by our chief national security correspondent Jim Shudo along with retired rear. I John Kirby our military and diplomatic analysts who was a State Department ARPAN spokesman under President Obama Will Jim let me ask you the immediate impact of this sudden very tense very bitter departure. What's what's IT GONNA mean well well? The the key thing is that you had a voice here who differed with the president on a handful of the nation's most severe national security challenges one on Iran in an interesting way right because Bolton came in as a fellow Hawk with trump more forward leaning it seemed that he had a difference with the president when the president pulled back for for instance from Italian against Iran when it shot down a US drone they had a difference there that a difference on North Korea's well John Bolton and not the only one but John Bolton one of the leading skeptics of president trump's continued outreach to North Korea without netting any material gains from that outreach to this point in terms names of reversing North Korea's nuclear program on issues like that when you remove a voice like John Bolton and you presume that president trump will of someone who is in lockstep a step with him on those issues you get to another you get closer to a situation where there are fewer people around this president who contradict him or offer him contradictory or are cautionary advice even on some of these key national security challenges remember we used to talk about all the the folks in the room like Jim Mattis and others any of those folks one by one have disappeared from that room. You know it's interesting John Kirby because there have been three national security advisers. The president's got to hire a fourth right now in this administration that happens to be a pretty tricky job right now it is I mean Colin Powell once famously described it as being judged traffic cop truant officer arbitrator trader firemen chaplain psychiatrist and the occasional hitman and and that's a tough job in any administration but I can't imagine how much more difficult it is to do it when the boss himself the president wants to be all those things all those things as well and take away any influence you might have and that's my big concern is whoever comes next hopefully we'll have somebody will have the access and the influence influence to tee up the right options and help the president make the most contextual decisions going forward. You Know Jim by the white suspected through the president suspected that was responsible optimal for a whole bunch of leaks to the news media including his opposition to the president inviting the Taliban leadership to Camp David the president apparently differently did not like it being public knowledge that some of his advisors were challenging him on this decision and that seems fitting with with the pattern with this president that he wants folks to be in line with him and not to contradict him and perhaps feels embarrassed in in some ways when it comes out that some of visors are not in lockstep with him on those positions you know structurally th th there's another concern here that Bolton when he came in as as a national security adviser you'd expect them to do brought in a lot of his own people to be the senior ranks of the National Security Council with boat Bolton Gone do those people people go as well and will you as a result hollow out the National Security Council infrastructure depending of course on who replaces him up but that's a concern because the NFC yes it serves the president but it is an institution an operation that often has holdovers from previous administrations. It's meant to keep some sort of semblance of order and consistency and if that is hollowed out that will have broader consequences for US National National Security Policy. We're also told John that Bolton was reluctant to go on television and strongly defend some of the president's national security policies because he strongly disagreed with those policies and that the president was irritated sometimes when he saw him on TV. You didn't think he was doing a great job. Yeah I mean look part of the job. National security advisers typically don't like to go on television that they like to be behind the scenes but sometimes uh-huh you have to do that on an issue like this wolf that this significant this Afghanistan policy and the peace talks for him not to want to go. That's a significant sign that not only was he reluctant and to be out in front but that maybe he had reached a level of policy difference with the president that it was time to move on everybody stand by Gibb Kirby John Kirby. Thank you Jim. WE'RE GONNA be getting back to you in just a moment. You have some exclusive new reporting that you want to share with our viewers. We'll get back to you very soon but joining us right now Congressman Raja Fisher Murphy he's the Democrat he serves on both the Intelligence and Oversight Committee's congressman thanks so much for joining us so ouster mean for US national security well obviously John Bolton and his views were problematic but I think the real problem here is the president's foreign policy or national security or Bob. Whatever you WANNA call the strategy there which is non existent at this point? The president seems to cozy up to our adversaries reason pushes away our allies and there isn't really much of a coherence to his vision on how we should be conducting foreign policy or national security strategy so I think there's not going to be much job security in the future for any national security advisor in that particular situation you worry about the constant turnover turnover inside the president's national security team Yes we started with Michael Flynn who's now about to go to jail than HR McMaster and now Mr Bolton and we don't know who's next whoever is next is going to have to come in and actually hopefully knock some common sense into the trump administration station with regard to foreign policy and national security because right now. There's no coherence there's no vision and when there's none of those things it's hard to execute and and deliver anything for the American people. What would you like to see from the president's next his fourth national security adviser well? I'm hoping for someone who can actually build our alliances silence is again we have some very significant security challenges around the world including with regard to Russia and China and we should be very firm arm with regard to our adversaries and right now. We are doing the opposite so that's what I'm I hoping that the next person can move us in the direction of a foreign policy that both Democratic and Republican administrations have consistently pursued and that actually yielded results in the past you sit on the House Intelligence Committee. Let's talk a little bit about some new reporting for our Jim shoot according to multiple senior officials who have served in the trump administration the president has repeatedly expressed opposition to using covert foreign sources to gather intelligence for the United States okay so what kind of impact would foregoing covert foreign sources have. US national security well Gosh you know I can't comment comment on on that specific reporting but what I can say is there's just an ongoing concern with regard to the president and his relationship up to the intelligence community is handling of classified intelligence and quite frankly his relations with the Russians this came up over and over again in the Muller hearing hearing about a month ago. That's why I think that we should continue with the investigation to assess the counterintelligence risks of the president's ties to to Russia. You also serve on the oversight committee. CNN has learned that the inspector general over at the Commerce Department is now looking into that unsigned unsigned statement put out by Noah backing up president trump's faulty hurricane Maria forecast. Is this something your committee should also take a look at well. I'm going to follow the lead of chairman comings. I'm sure that he's extremely concerned about this and if he decides to call hearings I think we would be extremely supportive. I just make two points one. I think that there's going to be stormy weather for any truth teller at Noah or for that matter at any agency within the purview of someone like Wilbur Ross and then secondly. I just think that Wilbur Ross is yet again pursuing a political agenda for the president rather than the business of the American people he did this with regard to trying to insert the citizenship question on the Census and then making up pretext for why he did it and now we see his his performance with regard to Noah. This is extremely troublesome. You think he should resign. I think as time's up and I do think that we have to investigate the gate. What exactly has been going on at the Commerce Department the sense this is about to start early next year and we can't Have someone like Wilbur Ross or anybody who's politically motivated in conducting the census when so much depends on Congressman Chris Murthy. Thanks as usual for joining us. Thank you for coming up. We're GONNA have a lot more on president trump's concerns about using intelligence from covert foreign operatives also we're learning new details about a spy extracted from Russia and the access he had to Vladimir Putin standby for C. N. N.'s exclusive reporter Martha Stewart wants to give you three free meals for your own in-home taste test. That's right Martha's meal delivery service. Martha and Marley spoon is giving away way three full size meals to be part of Martha's free atom taste test visit Marley spoon dot com slash. CNN forget about awful frozen food and unhealthy fast food. Martha wants you to enjoy three of her best thirty minute meals for free go to Marley spoon dot com slash the N. that's Marley spoon dot com slash Josh CNN tonight new details on a story first reported on CNN about a secret US mission to extract a spy from Russia sources sources revealing the extent of the spies access to Vladimir Putin. Let's go back to our chief national security correspondent Jim Shoot Up Jim. You have more exclusive reporting for US tonight on how president trump views spies like the one pulled out of Russia well. Here's the thing you. US intelligence agencies depend on spies placed in in foreign countries particularly in hostile countries to gather intelligence on what these countries are up to and particularly if they mean to do harm to the US but the president and this is based based on multiple trump officials who've been in the room with President trump when he's dismissed the idea of using such information which has enormous consequences for US intelligence gathering sources tell C. N. N. Did President Trump has privately and repeatedly expressed opposition to using intelligence from covert sources including overseas spies a crucial tool for US intelligence against its adversaries since being elected the president has repeatedly attacked the US intelligence community. The intelligence agencies have runamuck sources say the president's concerns about using foreign operatives is using them can damage his personal relationships with foreign leaders President views have at times spilled out publicly including his response to a report the CIA recruited North Korean dictator Kim Jong UN's half brother as an asset. I saw the information about the CIA with respect to his brother or or half brother and I would tell him that would not happen under my under my auspices that's for sure. The president has also expressed doubts about the credibility of the information foreign informants provide because he quote believes there people who are selling out their country generally speaking. I'll say human intelligence elegance is extremely important and in many cases more important than even you know electronic intelligence in all areas both the CIA and the White House declined to comment for for this story the revelation about trump's views comes a CNN is learning new details about a covert source who helped the US spy on Russia's President Vladimir Putin beaten by was extracted from Russia by US intelligence in two thousand seventeen amid concerns about the informant being exposed and in part because of concerns about how the president and his administration handle intelligence the spy was considered the highest level source for the US inside the Kremlin high up in Russia's national national security infrastructure according to a source familiar with the matter and a former senior intelligence official sources. Tell C. N. N. Spy had access to Russian President Putin I and could even provide images presidential documents today secretary of State Mike Pompeo as director in two thousand seventeen pushing back the reporting reporting there is factually wrong clear pompeo declined to comment to CNN before the story was first published and today did not specify what he was alleging was incorrect and CNN's reporting which relied on multiple administration officials with direct knowledge of the extraction and a statement the CIA says quote CNN's ends narrative that the Central Intelligence Agency makes life or death decisions based on anything other than objective analysis and sound collection is simply false course CNN ever said anything along those lines in it story and the timing of this decision is indicative. It was after may two thousand Seventeen Oval Office meeting in which President President Trump discussed highly classified intelligence with senior Russian officials the foreign minister at the Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov the Russian Ambassador to the US at the time Sergei Kislyak it was after that meeting that that a call went out secretary Pompeii Oh speaking to other trump administration officials saying that too much information was coming out about the source the decision made at that moment to remove him from Russia. Well Excellent Reporting Jim shooter. Thank you very much for that just ahead. The President Thought John Bolton was the leaker did that do him in breakdown. CNN's exclusive new poll and most Americans don't think the president deserves a second term. The guys are terrible taking care of their health. Whether it's a knee injury bad back or something worse guys usually more comfortable rub some dirt on it than seeing a doctor. I'm guilty of it myself. 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GET ROMAN DOT com slash blitz following the breaking news on new turnover over in the president is often changing national security team tonight. John Bolton is out does Mr Trump's national security advisor after many policy and personality conflicts lakes. Let's bring in our analysts to discuss David Square Lake the president he tweeted he fired him because there's quote services are no longer needed Bolton few minutes later insistent he resigned. What does this public display of animosity between the president and his now gone national security advisor suggest oh I think it suggests that it was always a bad idea to have on the one hand ambassador Bolton? I Guy who many people in Washington say never met a war. He didn't like with the president who has a foreign policy. That's neither can be described as hawkish nor dovish. It's not a reaganite conservative view of foreign policy. It's not a Taft Paleo conservative you and foreign policy. It's a Mishmash Ashok sort of big talk and chaos. This was always going to happen. I think wolf it just happened today with a childish exchange of you serve the Samantha on the National Security Purity Console team during the Obama Administration. You suggest that Bolton simply wasn't doing the core responsibilities. He was supposed to achieve. That's right wolf. I was senior adviser to one national security adviser and I can tell you John Bolton was national security advisor in name. Only he didn't perform some of the core functions of the job the basic basic functions for starters. He didn't run these cheat interagency meetings. I had a vitamin D deficiency when I left the White House because we spent so much time in the situation room with no windows windows no sunlight because the national security advisor was meeting with the Cabinet soliciting their views and making recommendations to the president we know more about John Bolton Alton personal views on issues that we know about actual meetings that he ran and secondly John Bolton is national security advisor had to have the ear of the president he was put to pasture in Mongolia back. When president trump met with Kim Jong UN he was shut out of Oval Office meetings with North Korean officials he clearly was not the person president went to for national security advice? I think the president over these many months as you know Rebecca has been rather blunt in talking about his disagreements with Bolton listen to this I have John Bolton and have other people that are a little more dovish than him and ultimately I make the decision. He has strong views on things but that's okay. I actually temper John which is pretty amazing. I I have John Bolton who I would definitely say the Hawk and I have other people that are on the other side of the equation and ultimately I make the decision so it doesn't matter he takes it generally posture whatever other people that don't take that you're the only one that batters me. John Bolton was absolutely a hawk is up to Eh take on the whole world at one time okay but that doesn't matter because I want both sides. What do you think well? It's clear that the president's saw their difference of opinion on substance STAS Walt he was clear eyed about the divide there was between John Bolton himself but it's clear here that he didn't care about that when mattered more to the president in this equation is the issue of trust in the issue of loyalty one of the things that the White House pointed to in conversations with CNN following the president's decision today was that they believed John Bolton was leaking to the press that he was telling his side of the story in the press and then of course this question of loyalty to the president. This was not someone who is just going to say yes to whatever the president wanted. John Bolton is very strong willed hard headed that obviously didn't mix with President trump style eater job. It isn't the real issue. I you know the cast of characters has changed but isn't the real issue that the foreign policy is failing everywhere in North Korea area. Kim Jong is shooting off missiles all the time in Iran where we had a treaty in place to Stop Nuclear Weapons Development Weapons Development Upman has started again our NATO allies who can't stand us anymore because all we ever do is harass them about their defense spending. I mean that seems to me what matters you know who's was occupying what office you know that that's a fascinating inside Washington story but American foreign policy is in shambles in that seems to me the more important important aspect of it well it does matter who's filling at least two key jobs when is the president he has to be willing to use the process and to if you have a national security adviser that just just isn't holding meetings Jeffrey that just isn't meeting with the Secretary of state the Secretary of Defense and faithfully representing their on his views to the president. That's those two factors actors are part of why we are where we are today Jeffrey. I want to play a little clip back in two thousand eighteen. When the then defense secretary Jim Mattis met with Bolton now he was overheard saying this listen to this? Thanks for coming in to finally meet you. I've heard your you read termidor. I've heard you're actually the devil incarnate and wanted to meet you Jeffrey. What did you think about well? I you know he Bolton had the reputation for decades as the personification of the neo conservative wing of the Republican Party. You know very area grabbed big supporter of the disastrous Iraq war you know always wanted to confront North Korea always wanted to confront Iran which was different from the way Donald Donald trump campaigned so the question from the very beginning has been. Why did the president hire this guy? I mean they just don't agree on things so it was just pre- preordained that the whole thing was gonna fall apart. Let me switch gears Rebecca. Let me let me let you weigh in. We now have this letter the CNN is obtained from the assistant administrator of the National Oceanic Spirit Administration reviewing all the dispute that occurred during the Hurricane Americaine the other day when the president was warning of threats to Alabama and locally in Birmingham Alabama. They said no threat to Alabama. You're listening to a chunk of this letter as I'm sure you also know there was a complex issue involving the president commenting on the path of the hurricane the N. W. The National Weather Service forecasters corrected any any public misunderstanding expert and timely way as they should. They're followed last Friday and unsigned press release from Noah that inappropriately an incorrectly correctly contradicted the National Weather Service forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external external factors including reputation and appearance and simply put political. That's a really stark statement from the the acting chief chief scientists over there absolutely admirable to set the record straight and at great political risk because it's been made clear by the president that this is an issue he cares deeply deeply about he takes it very personally. It's an issue of personal pride for him but Noah has a responsibility to forecast the weather for for the safety of the American people on preparedness of the American people and the president undermines that mission. It's good that the agency is taking response so so surprising these days we're not used to it to have a senior official in the administration. Take a stand on principle in a public way like that that administrator Minnesota McLean statement stands out for that alone no matter which side you're on this issue it's clear that he wants to be counted. As someone who was standing with if people in his agency and with sciences he said and not the politics clay and the acting administrator he deserves a lot of credit jeffery for having the guts teller's colleagues colleagues just keep doing your job and you know I'm a federal former federal employee and what I love to see is someone standing up and saying most close to the people who work for the federal government are trying to do the right thing. They are trying in this case to protect people from dangerous weather. That's their job. That's what they were doing and the corrupt and incompetent people in the trump administration have been trying to over to to to thwart them and and that was a discrepancy if he survives this all right everybody standby. There's a lot more news we're following including a powerful new warning tonight about the dangers of e cigarettes after another vaping related death remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash. CNN breaking news tonight the American Lung Association has just issued a new warning declaring e cigarettes are not safe and should not be used is this after sixth vaping related death here in the United States was confirmed Siennas. Tom Foreman is looking into this time health officials. They're sounding alarm era. The alarm about all of this worry about the health effects of this is really erupting everywhere amid reports of people getting seriously ill and even dying soon after using e cigarettes and this idea promoted by many that this is a safer alternative to smoking is under enormous scrutiny it needs to be thought of as there's an injury to the lungs by caused by something in the vaping and it is very severe in Houston doctors are sounding. The alarm as three people are hospitalized allies after using e cigarettes in New York the Bloomberg charity is getting one hundred sixty million to fight. What's being called an epidemic vaping kids? It's a dying people are dying now and getting addicted timelines is yesterday not tomorrow and in Washington. The first lady herself has tweeted. I am deeply concerned earned. Why is the worry exploding now? In just the past few days the Centers for Disease Control reported a huge jump in the number of people developing mysterious lung illnesses after vaping to over four hundred fifty at least a half dozen believed to have died the American Medical Association has now come out urging people to avoid the use of all e cigarette products and the food and drug administration has worn jewel labs the leading manufacturer factual about misleading advertising and statements especially school kids were vaping is growing exponentially to the presenter call jewel jewell quote unquote totally safe more than once. Yes jewel says that school outreach program was ended in two thousand eighteen and the company will fully fully cooperate with probes into their marketing and products. We never wanted any non nicotine user and certainly nobody underage to ever use news jewel products but that's not enough for the governor of New York who is launching a state investigation complete with subpoenas. This is frightening public health phenomenon even as reports of more serious problems keep rolling in fifteen sixteen years old. You don't want to start doing it is not clear how or even if vaping is definitively causing these illnesses and deaths were perhaps some additive is to blame but the anecdotal evidence is mounting so rapidly many health officials clearly want to slam the brakes on this runaway industry until investigators have time to figure out if there really is link also really good advice better to be safe than very very sorry Tom Foreman. Thank you very much. Just ahead. criminal charges are filed against top FEMA officials involved in Puerto Rico's troubled recovery operation after Hurricane Murray the cases. We gotta find who wrote this. No we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out police used Luminol all chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blot the drama where was the rifle and and which man was telling the truth forensic files the legendary true crime show is now a podcast join join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday Monday and Thursday. You'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix tonight tensions in Israel L. after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu makes controversial eleventh-hour campaign promised he was rushed off the stage in an Israeli port city as sirens warned of incoming rocket rocketfire and a half and soon after announced his plan to annex territory in the West Bank. If he wins reelection next week he suggested president trump will support the moves Oren Lieberman joining us live from Jerusalem right now or in this is yet the latest example of Netanyahu's turning to president trump as is a political ally it is from the White House seems doing given tacit approval to Prime Minister. Benjamin Netanyahu's planned but nothing like the ringing endorsement. We saw in April before the last elections tonight Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is promising to expand the boundaries of Israel. If he wins reelection next week he announced a stunning plan to annex parts of the contested territory in the West Bank anymore deal cover not today I am announcing thing my intention to apply Israeli sovereignty Jordan Valley and the Northern Dead Sea. It's a sweeping plan and critics say a play to his base that comes comes with strings attached and said I will not do anything without getting a clear mandate from the public and so the citizens of Israel. I ask ask you for a clear mandate to do this. The sixty nine year old Israeli leader has made promises of annexation before but never like this pulling out a map he showed specific areas in the West Bank he would make official Israeli territory areas. He says are crucial national security but are held as occupied territory by most of the international community place many decades ago facing a tough reelection bid here Netanyahu has staked his future on his close those ties the US President Donald Trump. Today's announcement was no different Israeli prime minister connected his annexation plan directly to trump's soon to be released plan for Mideast. The peace of the most important question facing us in this election is who will negotiate with President trump who will recruit him to our our side a trump administration official tells CNN there is no change in US policy at this time but adds Netanyahu's announcement doesn't get in the way of the peace. He's plant two weeks before Netanyahu's last election. In April trump recognized Israeli sovereignty the Golan Heights political gift to spread Netanyahu trump also put Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps terroist and he had a secretary of state visit the Western Wall in Jerusalem with tonight Arab politicians in Israel and Palestinian. Ian Leaders are slamming Netanyahu's new plan accusing him of working to liquidate the Palestinian issue and eliminating possibility of a two-state solution and peace at at the mouth says Netanyahu says trump's peace plan is coming soon telling Israelis should be the one to handle negotiations but only if he wins the election Netanyahu's announcement was big news here but only for about an hour the in the resignation or the firing of John Bolton quickly took over the news because he was considered such that you're close ally of Netanyahu's especially when it comes to Iran and that is a blow to Netanyahu especially on a night where he was looking for positive headlines at least for himself off wolf all right. Thanks very much Lieberman in Jerusalem much more news right after hey it's Howard Beck and I've got Metta world apiece on bleacher reports the full forty eight. I was on the verge of being a definite hall of fame. Now I gotTA fight for that. I gotTa make a big argument for that which I probably will be just my defense and hopefully that'll give you check out the full forty eight now on the bleacher report APP or subscribe at Apple podcasts tonight. One of the the top officials to respond to Puerto Rico's hurricane disaster back in two thousand seventeen is charged with bribery and fraud prosecutors say she allegedly to gifts and favors from a contract around the island that secured nearly two million dollars at work to repair Puerto Rico's electrical grid. She's also accused of Steering Recovery Work Toward That Company Cobra acquisitions towards the former president of Cobra's is the second FEMA official who left the organization in twenty eighteen were also charged. Thanks very much for watching Erin. Burnett out front starts right then. 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