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Joe Buck on Packers-49ers and the Astros punishment; plus Harry Carson on the Rooney Rule

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Joe Buck on Packers-49ers and the Astros punishment; plus Harry Carson on the Rooney Rule

"Welcome to the Peter King podcast cast. It's getting to be a very busy time. On the National Football League calendar You got all the coaching openings that have been filled now in in addition and were basically in a day period. That is the most wonderful time of the year. The four divisional round games have all all been played and now this week we enter into the championship game weekend which will start at three o'clock eastern on Sunday a with Tennessee at Kansas City. And then at six forty pm there will be the Green Bay packers in a rematch. Actually both games. A rematch is Green Bay at San Francisco to get you warmed up for this week of football. We're going to bring you Joe Buck. Fox's Voice of of the NFL. We're going to talk a little bit of baseball and a lot of football in our conversation with Joe Buck and then Harry Carson of the Fritz Pollard. Alliances you may know Harry Carson's hall of fame. LINEBACKER obviously formerly with the New York giants now is doing his best with the Fritz. Power reliance it's to try to increase the very poor numbers of African Americans in the head coaches and in feeder positions to be head coaches in the NFL. That's that's where I want to start a wrote a little bit this week in the lead to my column about some ideas that I had going forward that the NFL should adopt. And I hope will at least strongly consider adopting and I WANNA talk about three of them. In particular one the the Rooney rule which was enacted in two thousand three. The big part of the Rooney rule was that every head head coaching opening. There was a mandatory interview of at least one minority candidate for every head coaching opening. Well I'm going to mandate to two one isn't working. Something has got to give an owners have to be involved in these meetings. They can't delegate these meetings out. AH TO GENERAL MANAGERS team presence presidents. The owners have to be in there in addition I would like to see every team have one of three. Three big feeder positions to be head coaches the offensive quality control coach quarterback coach and the offensive coordinator her. I would like to see one of those three positions be mandated to be an African American coach or a minority coach and a lot of people ever since. I wrote with that on Monday of this week or recording. This podcast on Tuesday. I've heard from a lot of people saying you can't force owners to hire somebody. Somebody That they don't want to hire. And I get that but I wonder if it is remotely fixable unless you mandate mandate that owners put people into positions to start climbing the ladder to make sure that they're going to be more and more minority already candidates to interview. You look at what happened in Washington this year and they're three their their offensive coordinator coordinator. Their quarterback coach and quality control. Coach are all white and again look. That's one team. We can look at every team which we're are not gonNA do here but I'm just saying that it is it's easy in this business to hire. Your friends. Do not be challenged to make hires that are going to be a little bit different. I just think that more and more coaches and owners need to be exposed to more and more of the candidates and finally thirdly Wrigley. I think this is important. I I would like to see the Rooney rule be extended to the coordinator positions which would mean that every coordinator coordinator opening of a new on a new coaching staff. You'd have to interview at least one minority. And is that going to force anybody to hire these coaches which is not necessarily. But but let's just say there's a really good position coach. You know his stuck behind a quality coordinator somewhere a really good position in coach. WHO's an African American coach? And he's not GonNa get a chance because his own team. Maybe has a young very strong very a good defensive coordinator. Those are the kind of guys in my opinion that the NFL needs to be out there promoting a little bit more so that upward movement movement can happen with minority coaches in the NFL. So we're now going to get to our into resort start with with Joe Buck. The longtime longtime voice of Fox sports and Joe Not only has a unique perspective on all things. Green Bay San Francisco will get to that but I also want to get his view on what was the biggest sanctions in a century To be meted out by the Commissioner of Baseball Rob Manfred or by any commissioner. So let's get to now Joe Book Joe. You obviously is the voice of Fox sports and he just finished doing the Green Bay extravaganza up in Green Bay with Troy Aikman and obviously he will be the lead voice on Fox for the NFC championship game in San Francisco. The packers forty niners rematch. Joe Really happy you could join me today thank you. Yeah well my God. You're Peter King for God's sake when Peter King calls or tax on my podcast I mean. There's there's really not a hell of a lot going on in my life or were the answer would be no so you you carry that kind of weight not just me but with many others so good well the year you. You're a good man. Thank you Joe. I want to start if you're okay with this with talking about baseball because look I haven't followed this all that closely. The sign stealing scandal. But obviously you do Fox baseball as well and just wanted to get your reaction to what we saw out of rob Manfred Fred when basically he kinda viscera the Houston Astros They're basically the general manager and manager were suspended a year and then fired and they have their four highest draft choices. Taken away for the next two years did not get the world series results. Annulled old But I thought it was really a strong signal. I don't know how did you feel about it. Yeah no I felt pretty much the same way I think for some Anything short of taking away. A world series title Wouldn't be enough but I. I don't know that that's realistic Listrik. I think Rodman did The most he could and I think it was appropriate. I know just from where I sit. I it's disappointing pointing that. That was going on in disappointing as a weak word. I mean it's Kinda gross that that was going on and You wonder just how pervasive invasive this is I I have a tough time believing that they are the only team involved in this and guilty of this I I know I know that the investigation you know turns up a lot of different avenues of of information. I'll be interested to see you know when the entire report report comes out You know where that leads i. I'm amazed on one hand because so many players changed teams. That if you did something that egregious you would think that it wouldn't get out eventually Because you know all of a sudden you've got a picture that was in your bullpen now in the bullpen of some other team trying to get hitters out that you now know are getting your signs. It seems like that would come out a lot sooner than it actually did But again I I have a tough time. Believing that the Astros are the only team guilty of this and we'll we'll wait and see where it goes but it it just strikes at the core of of fairness it strikes at the core of sportsmanship and I'm glad that commissioner came down heavy. Did on the Astros and and and again we'll see where this goes. After after this with other teams hard to imagine that Alex Cora would not get the same fate. It's almost like from what limited. I've read about it. It's almost like he was the ringleader. With this yeah I mean I'm with you. I don't know any more than I've read. Had I have not talked to anybody. Inside the Commissioner's office specifically about this I have talked to some players both current and former players ears and it's interesting to get their perspectives on it You know you're a baseball fan and signs feeling has been a part of the game forever But not electrically. And and that's that's what's so far over the line if you can detect you know what's going on from second base or Third Base Coach can legitimately figure out what signs are By just studying The opposition that's one thing and I think anybody in the game of baseball will say that's fair. If we're bad enough that you can figure out are signs go ahead. Take them and It's on us to try to figure that out and then react appropriately but to do it electronially And then signal hitters and signal headers via the trash can or whatever else was going on on. It's brutal and I think it's You know there's a trust factor there that I think has been hit at by by these actions and you know hopefully. Hopefully this stuff can get cleaned up. Because I think it's it's so far over the line you know we've we've lived through this whole steroid era and and everything else that's going on in the game. I mean this. This really speaks to something happening within the competition. That that just doesn't sit right. I think with anybody That that enjoys sports it almost to me. Joe This is somebody I'm somebody who You know I seven years on travel girl softball team used to give signals. And you know it was. I'd stand in the the third base coaches box and there were two or three teams that we played regularly. That I know this how sick it was in New Jersey girl softball who I know occasionally would come to our games not just my team but other teams to scout us and there there was a guy one guy in our league scouted signs so every time we played that team I changed the signs and it really. I mean these these are these are young girls. These are actually preteen girls so it really wasn't that hard and I'm not making light of it in a little way but in not not not necessarily in a big way. Isn't it possible in baseball. That a bunch of teams Kinda got lazy with the signs and the signs. You're giving in August of you know of say two thousand sixteen if you only played that team once or twice a year if they're in another division are the same signs they're given the next year that would strike me to be a little bit lazy now again. I have no idea if that's the case or not but I don't think signs are that hard to change and quite honestly no they're not but You know again. If you're doing it from a television camera trained on just the person giving the signs and your decoding it that way from the beginning part of the game and getting by the end of the game you know I it. It also speaks to how slow the game is and and I think kind of the paranoia of the stealing of science has led to a slower pace of play. But I I could blow your mind right now. Maybe you're aware of this Peter King thing. For God's sake you probably are but Greg Maddux back. In the day with the Atlanta braves was so frigging smart. He grew up in Vegas. He kind of had that card players mentality like I play Gin Against Friends of mine and I am a brutal card player. They send cars to come get me because at the end of hands. I'm still trying to catch up and friends of mine. So yeah you're looking for my king and I know you want my king and that's going to complete your. How how the hell do you know that? But that's how Greg Maddux I grew up and so when he was rolling with the Atlanta braves all their signs were dummy signs and his next pitch. This is how forward thinking he was he would catch the ball coming back from his catcher and that would determine where he caught the ball. What the next pitch was that? He was gonNA throw so if he reached over to his laughed and he can shift his body to do it. It was going to be a fastball. If you caught it in his chest it was going to be a change angel. It'd be caught it over to his right. It was going to be a breaking ball whatever it was but that I mean. We're talking about the nineties and and so now this has been going on on through the history of time baseball but again this is this is alerting hitters in the batter's box from people not not involved in the game looking in getting signs from a television feed of the catcher. And that's that's not cool and that that's not that's not what this is about. That's not what the game's about and You know I I. I don't know if if it progressed beyond Banging on a plastic trash can next to Table Off to the side of the Astros dugout. I don't know of. It went to the next level. I don't know if they were able to electrically send you know you start hearing that the more you talked to win the game. That's out there. I have no idea I'm just I'm anxious ships to see you know the depth of of where this win because for the commissioner to to suspend the managers a hell of a guy. Aj hinch and really great manager and the GM who obviously built a little mini dynasty there in Houston For for them to get suspended for a year and then subsequently get fired There must be a lot there and a lot more than we know about as we sit here in the early part of twenty twenty twenty. You know Joe I was just going to I was. I've got forty-eight questions about football but there's one other question I really wanted to ask you. Yeah about this thing I have never met. Aj hinch I don't know Aj hinch. But I have always thought that if you give gave me my choice of all thirty managers in Major League Baseball. Aj hinch would be on a very short list of guys. I would want to hire so you deal with him. Obviously at the highest level of the business and I wonder what do you think of. Aj hinch well I. It's a tough question to answer because like I said I mean he he is. He's one of my favorites. He's a he's a friend he's a good guy. he's brilliant wickedly smart went to Stanford I think he has shown the ability. And I'll answer your question because I know why you're asking it. But he's shown the ability of balancing analytics and Kinda the information from above with the information that he's getting his eyes and his senses from below from players in his dugout earn his bullpen. And I think he has shown the ability to throw the numbers out when need be and ride a hot hand in the bullpen There there's a lot there and and I think he he's got a really good touch with all of that From what I I read and from what I heard from Jim Crane the owner. This was not his baby but he didn't do enough to stop it and I think that's where his guilt lies I can understand it if players are are are adamant that they want this information and I'm sure it was something that didn't sit well with him but I can only tell you from what I know and from what I know dealing with other managers and sitting in their office and getting a feel for what they have in that game and how they're planning for a playoff series and what the thoughts are for later in the series and you know how he gets crunches all the numbers but then crunches the personalities and everything else together. I he of the thirty managers from me taking this out of the equation. Because he didn't put an an end to it or stop it. He'd be one he wouldn't be on a shortlist EP one. I'm glad to hear you say that. Just from watching him from very much from afar dr he also seems to be human being as well. You know the guy who you'd probably like to have a beer with but but anyway yeah questioned by analytics. But he's he's a good he's a good family guy. He's got keep daughters. I'm sure you know there'll be conversations with them now now Because he again this strikes at the very core of You no decency in the game and you know being a competitor and doing it the right way and you know again. If he didn't blow the whistle or put an end to this however it started Then he's guilty and and I'm sure he'd be the first guy to tell you that I personally. I just hope he gets another crack at it because he's too good of a baseball man to to smart. I do too too. Good of a person to Tanaka did not get another crack at it eventually. The Cleveland browns evidently are going to use analytics very heavily with their our new coach. Kevin Stefanski and this was involved the things we could talk about today year. Somebody who probably sees the use savina lyrics in baseball as close as almost anyone and I just wonder. Can it work in football. Should it work in football. Football should owners be passionately interested in and general manager types and got. Here's Paul D pedestrian in Cleveland. Now being heavily involved in that team and he's moneyball guy side just wonder when you heard about Cleveland. Do you think that analytics is a crossover over topic to football. And can it be effective at all in football. The I think all those tools are are worthwhile and I think when you present that other teams are using analytics I think any owner who cares about winning and saying well. That's an advantage for them. I want that advantage to and we're going to go down that path as well and so I think there there. Are you know really good aspects next to analytics you see it in baseball and I think we will see it in football but to me. It's not an all or nothing thing and when I talked to Doug Doug Peterson about this and I've talked Sean. Payton about this two guys that That have analytics involved with their with their game. Day decision decision making the analytics is there. And you know Wendy go for it on for a two point conversion or You know certain cut and dried things. Analytics can really help. I don't know how it applies to the actual game with regard to player versus player. Are you know receiver versus corner. What I I don't know how far that's going to go in the NFL? But I do know that when I've talked Sean and Doug analytics takes a back seat to gut On a lot of these down tries nobody's gone for more than Doug Peterson. Since he came into the League on fourth it down and I said where do you sit on that and he said I was sitting in the very spot. I'm I'm Sitting in I talked to you. He said that that's that's got and it's how are we rolling. House are offensive line handling their defensive line. You know is is there is there momentum Piece to this is it. Is it one. Where if we don't make it? A momentum against is going to be so overwhelming all that stuff is turning around and his head is hard as gut and that's how we ends up making his decision. There's a feel I it's not. It's not just numbers. There's gotta be a feel otherwise you would have huger. Sit there on the sideline liner. You'd have a computer Sit there in the corner. The dugout there. There's you cannot eliminate the human aspect of it and so if the numbers I say in an office offsite gets word to a dugout and says we've got to take this picture out because this other guy in the bullpen is the right guy for the situation against the specific hitter. Well maybe the manager knows that a the the starter said under no circumstances taking me out I. This is the best. I've felt all year here or the guy who could theoretically bring out of the bullpen. Just had a big fight with his wife or whatever. It is didn't sleep. Well he's a little bit under the weather he's got a looking as either. Maybe tells the manager the head coach. I'm not the right guy for this situation. I don't know what the analytics were. Derek jeter over the years. I don't know if it said he was the best center. I don't know if it said he was the best shortstop. But I guarantee if the bases were loaded and my team led by one run in the ninth inning of game seven of a world series and somebody but he was gonna hit a rocket at somebody in the Infield I wanted hit the Derrick jeeter whatever the analytics be damned. I I know that Derek jeter would say hit it to me because I'll make the play and that's never not in the equation so you can't take that out you can use it but you can't live by. Yeah that's really really interesting. It's funny I I went to the the Green Bay game on Sunday thinking that I was going to see something a little bit different than what I saw and it's kind of speaks to analytics a little bit. This was the worst year that Aaron Rodgers had numerically in in his life in fact that that. ESPN Qbr you know not just the the classical passer rating but they're QBR had him in the low fifties he was like the seventeenth guy in the league or something this year and I really wondered okay. Is he losing his Mojo and and I go to that game the other day and I just was absolutely totally blown away by the deft touch on his passes and knowing that at the end of the game if we give the ball back to Russel Wilson he's GonNa win the damn thing we can and not give the ball to Russell Wilson we've got to convert and so he makes two or three throws down the stretch including the one on third nate to Davante Adams uh-huh that that should go into his time capsule of grain of ten best or was he ever made considering all things the situation. So I get what you're saying about analytics in about everything that people look at when they look at players. But I'll tell you what Aaron Aaron Rodgers is still an absolute threaten. It's why I kinda liked the forty niners this weekend. Obviously because of what happened in that first game in in their pass rush. But I'm not putting it past Aaron Rodgers to make this a game at the two minute warning in the fourth quarter. I everything you you just said is exactly how I feel. And if if Aaron Rodgers is seventeenth on that list that means that statistically or analytically he's sixteen guys are better than Aaron Rodgers and and I would say I'm with you the throw. He made Davante Adams Tattoo margin of error of. Oh Oh God I mean it's just impossible. I mean the throw down the sideline dropped in great coverage everything on the line. You don't make it. You're going to give two minutes to Russell Wilson. And he's going to be you're right and then the throw he may just sliding in pocket and in in getting avoiding bodies and throwing almost sidearm and and I don't know where Jimmy Graham ranks on the the analytical scale at tight end how that was that was a hell of a catch by a guy who I'm sure not top top ten anymore on that same list so when when the Games on the line you know give me those magical kind of guys and Aaron Rodgers is still that guy. So that's why I say you know. Maybe it helps when you're doing a contract maybe it helps In in the middle part of a game in September but when it's all on the line and and everything you've worked for it comes down to one throw on third down you know it's why it's why the rest of the country you know gags because they think that all I do. Is You know. Throw throw bouquets at Aaron Rodgers. There's a reason because he's different than other guys. Cover weak the weak and he does Dif- he does different things and he steps up because Aziz sure of his ability and he checked out of a play went to that delivered it and they won the game and that's why they're playing this week and so oh you you can use analytics but I think you can die as well. The craziest thing about that I spent. I don't know maybe ten minutes or so with Matt Leflore after the game and and I just went in and I just said I took out my fan boy card. I said that throat Aaron Rodgers waiting not watch it or that throw by Aaron Rodgers to Adams on third and eight. All I can say is wait till you watch it and by the way I went back and watched it a couple more times yesterday and your voice on it is absolutely classic because and I forget what your words were but you could hear it in your voice. Oh come on. There's no way that he just threw that ball thirty yards in the air dropped on a dime. It was incredible and La. Fleur said basically man. I can't wait to go watch it. You know he was so excited to go back and watch it from from from all the different angles and you know for people you you clearly you would know this very mean. Aaron Rodgers is kind of I duNno a mysterious figure at least to me because he he can be very persnickety you and all that stuff but I just simply do not deny his football brilliance and I just I think as long as he can stay healthy and play play the way he manages his body now and you know he used to have some and he called. It wants to be used to have some ice cream fat on them. You know but I don't know that. He has much much fat of any scored on his body anymore because he has managed to take care of himself at almost a Brady radio type level. Yeah well there's there's so much money in it first of all to not For these guys that are that good that can play in their early forties maybe mid forties. If you believe what Tom says or you know if you if you read the quotes by drew brees a couple of years ago you know there's there's there's good reason to keep your body as as Well conditioned is these guys do and yeah. I think what I said was what I and I only know this because I I saw it on a highlight That I came across. I'm not like rehearsing my lines From the game that I just just did but it was like what a throw. What a catch? What a time for it and it was perfect was the perfect is the perfect time for a great throw? Throw in a great catch when when the game was on the line and and you cover these games and have a lot longer than I have but you don't you don't get those singular singular moments every week especially in a divisional playoff game where it's like. Wow that that just won the ball game. That might not have totally want it. But for the most part it got him to midfield or beyond a little bit or close to it with two minutes left and it would have taken something miraculous from Russell so Wilson then they get the next one and the game's over so I yeah I it was special in in any time. You go to Lambo. And he's plan or before him far you know the odds. Rei probably going to see something like that. coolest thing that night. I was sitting there in the press box. Afterwards till may be about one fifteen or one thirty and there were that many people left and at one point I look out and there's a snow globe right outside the window and I said this is i. I only wish it was snowing like this during the game it would have been a lot of fun. But there's something about going to Lambeau and seeing January game in Lambo. I'm just a sucker for it. I don't know that was really one the other day yeah. I don't know how you couldn't be I feel the same way and to be able to sit there and open when those windows and call that game and present it we had blimp. Shot that That showed it a couple times coming back from break in. It looks like they. Were you know low hanging clouds and You know kind of almost like smoke around the lights and then that place all lit up and everything else dark around it In Green Bay just makes it just a beautiful scene and I I think close to it was old candlestick and Kinda the camera angles there and growing up watching Joe Montana on TV. Just light up the world And and kind of the look of that old stadium and now we're going to Levi stadium which just hosted its first forty niners playoff game and You know they're they're they're primed and ready. I'm with you I mean I I think Aaron Rodgers makes them dangerous but The entire team everything that the forty niners have going on. There's a reason they're seven point favorite favorite and they're going to be awfully hard to beat and they got healthy at the right time and and it all matched up to what should be a really memorable game. And maybe memorable run for this Kyle Shanahan. Hey Joe thanks a million for doing this. It was fun talking to you anytime. Peter Thank you want to talk for a moment about some of the other stuff It's like prime season for really interesting. Content on NBC. SEE SPORTS DOT com. Chris Simms unbuttoned and the PF PM. PODCAST are both really really good this week. I Love Chris. Simms breakdown of the playoff games. You Really WanNA listen to both of those. We've got a cool extended feature feature on forty niners tight end George kibble that's on the NBC. Sports Youtube page some really interesting in enlightening stuff from him and his family. You know his dad was a an Iowa. Hawkeye a generation or so before George Kibble was Just some really interesting stuff about a guy. One of the new and bright stars in the National Football League and also when you go on the Youtube page a nice little feature with Patrick Mahomes and Brett farve throwing. The football around won't brag about that but I'm pretty proud of that one. That was one of mine. And that's the kind of good evergreen material that you're going to see when you go to. NBC Sports Dot Com and and look at our youtube channel with all of the NBC. Sports stuff that just makes you a smarter fan and and now my conversation with Harry Carson of the Fritz Pollard. Alliance back on the podcast so happy to be joined by Harry Carson the pro football hall of fame former Linebacker for the New York giants I covered Harry Carson in his prime in the nineteen eighties. Please as a beat writer covering the giants got to know him some and have remained close to him somewhat close storm through the rest of his life and was very very glad to see that that Harry Carson was appointed executive director of the Fritz Pollard. Alliance which I think is an absolutely Invaluable piece of the puzzle and a huge sort of lobbying aid for so many causes. Probably the foremost of which is today. I would call it now. SORTA the plight of African American coaches in the NFL. And so Harry. Thanks a lot for joining me Peter. It's a pleasure to be on with you. let me correct you had ascended to the role of chairman Rod Graves. She's now executive director of the Fritz. Pollard Okay Alliance and You know we've been working on this issue for about sixteen seventeen years since two ruining rule was wasn't acted so You know we have good years and then we have some not so good years. Yeah I think Harry the way I certainly look at this. I wrote about it in my column this week. And and I said the year the Rooney rule was enacted there in two thousand three the NFL had three black coaches one. Black general manager in no majority black owners and those numbers are precisely the same in two thousand twenty or will be precisely the same and That has to be a little bit disturbing to someone who basically has helped lead the fight to increase the ranks of minority coach's well it is disappointing that we have not We we don't have better numbers. And and then you see we have four minority coaches who are in place. Mike Tomlin Ron Rivera. Brian floors and Anthony Land and You know we've been up to as many as I think. Seven or eight but yeah. We're we're I'M NOT GONNA be deterred. We're not going to Look at this as a setback or anything like that. We're going to continue to do what we can to advocate on behalf of minority coaches to basically a even the playing field if possible if that is indeed all possible to give them a fair shot at Becoming head coaches and general managers in the National Football League. That is what we are that what we've been created to do and that's what we do as I said You know some been some some good things that we can sort of look too but then there are so many more things that we really need to work on you know. I proposed a couple of things this week. Harry very two of which I'm curious to get your thoughts on one is to perhaps extend the Rooney rule to coordinators as well. We'll just to give guys who have not maybe interviewed or not gone down that road. I mean Joe Judge with the giants absolutely totally came out of nowhere. As I said the day he was named I could not pig. I've never talked to Joe Judge and I couldn't pick them out of a lineup. I I didn't I didn't the day he was named. I said I do not know what Joe Judge looks like. I've never seen them. I mean I've seen you know but in the Patriots in the as you know in the Belichick way there could be a lot of anonymous people in that organization but so there's the possibility of extending the Rooney rule to coordinators and also to help increase the number of minority coaches coaches at those what I would call pipeline positions ofensive quality control quarterback coach offensive coordinator that you mandate ah every team that has a new coach has to hire one minority coach in those pipeline positions. At least one out of the three now that is a that would be almost a revolutionary thing. Where you're mandating that For for an owner to do but I I keep thinking how is it going to change unless people are forced. And I'm curious to coordinators and maybe one out out of the three in the in what I would call the pipeline positions because owners love offensive coaches. Do you have any feeling about whether either one of those might make sense. Well I think they make sense. But I think we've proposed that with the League in the past and that has not necessarily been a an issue that They have been willing to promote. Let's keep in mind that We as an organization and we work with the League and the National Football League. cannot mandate eight anything to be owners of of the member clubs to to adopt. So you know it's been a situation relation where I have to say in all honesty. The League has been very cognizant of this issue and they're very very concerned about this issue but you cannot force men and women who own who are billionaires who own franchises franchises to do certain things that they don't WanNa do it has to be up to the owner and that is the beauty of the Rooney rule because it wasn't about individuals on the outside promoting that that was that was Dan Rooney. He was the one one who promoted the Rooney rule and and when they went out for a vote all of the owners voted for it. But now it seems like everybody's trying to circumvent bent the rule. And do what they WANNA do In regards to hiring minorities that the upper echelon position so you know they're individuals who are in the pipeline. Now that are learning coming in and we'll get better at their their craft their their skill. But still it's about you know those owners you know taking taking a chance and I'll be able to say that I think the individuals who are being interviewed they have the right stuff and you look at any read. And you talk about Eric. Bana me. He knows what AIRBNB is is ready ready to do but I think with the owners while they know that airbnb enemy is an outstanding coach or coordinator. They don't necessarily want to see Eric. B enemy or any other African American turnover monarchy Coach become the face of their organization. The B the knowledge is is there but I think there's something more at stake here and I think it's because of these owners warning to have their your team look a certain way and that's just me speaking. I'm not necessarily speaking on behalf of the Fritz. Power their lines. That's me speaking as a as an end of an observer you know when I played so many years ago as you might recall Peter There wasn't a whole lot of black coaches who were there and I had the opportunity to play for some of the best place for Marty Schottenheimer. Who taught me football how to play the long backup position Am I played for Bill. PARCELLS I play for Bill Belichick and I could have with all of that knowledge of the game. Am I could have gone in the coaching. But I didn't see individuals who looked like me. I mean there were individuals who were who were coaches. They were assistant coaches. But there were no head coaches at that time and quite frankly I'm sort of their point now where I see There aren't as many african-american I'll just back up. It's not as diverse as it should be given a timeframe I'm frame of where we are right now. So what if anything Harry think can be done right now. Is there anything saying that. The Fritz Pollard. Alliance is going to attempt to do in the coming months to try to bridge this gap to try to improve it or we're going to to continue to work on this issue. It is Mission one for the alliance and we're going to work work closer with The League to remedy this problem but at the end of the day it really boils also down to the owners and the various teams around the league to at least And not come up with sham type Interviews just check the box if you're replacing the head coach We gotta find ways to strengthen the rule sold at. It can't be circumvented by owners WHO ooh will extend the ten year contract and a hundred million dollar It it to to to coach without before even even interview. I'm minority candidate. You gotta find ways to put more more by into violating the table. It might be a stretch but I think that's what we have to do in conjunction with the League. Du What what kind of keeps you coming. Back Harry what gives you any hope that this situation is going to get better. Well I think what keeps me going personally is being a part of an organization. That definitely is advocating on behalf of a greater sense of diversity whether it's racial diversity or gender diversity to give every by a an opportunity to work and play within the national football As I said I probably would have been an outstanding coach at some point but quite frankly way back then I didn't see those faces now when you see those faces I I think there are so many young people who are playing the game coup would like to know that at some point they can become a a head coach in the National Football League and not Be eliminated because of the color of their skin. So you know I would like to see more inclusion within goes positions In the National Football League front offices all around the country. Yeah I think those are good good hopes to have. You can't give up. You have to keep moving. Yeah and you have to keep grinding even when things. Don't go your way you know. We've been disappointed in the past and what we done. Is You know. Get back on the bike when we were knocked off with the loss of certain certain individuals And you have to get back on and get back on the bike and you have to keep riding and and pushing for individuals who don't necessarily have a voice and so That's what we're going to continue to do. I really really can't imagine how frustrating it must be for coaches who feel like they have accomplished something and who have been very good assistance for a long time. And I'm speaking of the enemy specifically and then he sees the Carolina Panthers in the New York giants basically go crazy after two guys who have a total of one year as an assistant coach in the NFL in terms of the highest that they've gone to Joe Judge and a and a Matt rural have been assistance in the NFL as the enemy and be enemy seemingly has the kind of resume that owners would want to have on the Andy Reid tree being basically one on one with Patrick Mahomes the last two years. That's what to me. Must be particularly frustrating. Yeah something Matt is pretty obvious everybody to see and you scratch your head. You wonder what's with that for the longest time it was about being a coordinator later defensive. Coordinators who were You know considering for Shake coaching position. Then more toward often and now it's it's about you know special teams and so who you know. What kind of barriers are you gonNA put up there to get people to sort of hoop jump through To qualify for being you know head. Coaching material. you you you look at Tampa and you look at Bruce Arians and you know he has faith that those coaches of color can coach. You know buying left which and Todd Bowles You I'm very proud of the fact that he has put his faith and in the hands of of those guys who really have good intentions. Then then who are really good Coaches Todd Bowles. I I really enjoy talk when he was with the jets and unfortunately it didn't work out for him as a head coach with the jets but I admire him as a coordinator but also as a head coach and I think he'll get another shot. Shot at playing in the national. Football League Coaching in the National Football League. But also you know you look at you know some of the other guys who are out. Go Leslie Frazier. Who I think was the force behind that Buffalo Bills Defense Defense this year. I think he will get another opportunity to to be a head coach and so we're disappointed but we know that the peace they they are to be had it's just up to The owners who or shy about Picking someone to be the face ace up their organization Harry the last thing I would ask you as a former player and obviously there are more minority position in coach is now than when you played back in the eighties but I just I wonder as a player what do you think it says to a player player when ownership in a league that it was seventy percent approximately give or take a percentage point seventy percent African American how to players on that team feel when in front of the room Starting in training camp is a black person and not one of the many in the Sea of white people who've been chosen to coach in the NFL over the years years now. I didn't get the gist of your question. Is it that for how do how how do you think how do you think the average player feels in a league. That is seventy percent African American. How does a player walk into a meeting room? And how does he feel when he looks up and he sees a black man at the at the head of the room. MM coaching his team. After for years and years and years the vast majority of coaches in the League have been white. Well I think that you know players are going to play. Hey for their coaches but I think a more personal level. If if an African American player sees an African American coach standing before him. I think he feels a little bit more accountable. Because there are so many things that have bind Players and coaches together. Yeah they're most most player and coaches in the national football league probably come from the same environment and so they can sort of relate to one another and understand that you you have to be extra you know good at what you do to ascend to that position. I also think that you know they are going to work just a little bit harder. Not Saying that. They don't but I think they would work a little bit harder to put their coach in in a favourable position of of not losing his job at the end of the season so forth and and the other thing that I'll share with you is is there are so many Young African American men who are playing in the national football league who might need some guidance and direction on the personal level. And I think that is what a black head coach in my opinion can bring to the table of. How can you inspire player both on and off to feel to be the best that you can be whether it be as a player whether it be as a man so you know? That's where I come from from from the question that that you've asked if if I'm interpreting interpreting interpreting that in the right way Harry Carson of the Fritz Pollard Alliance so glad you could join me and I just. I hope that the owners this year the League meetings in March Not only take the problem seriously but start to enact real measures Whether it be more of a coordinator interviews weather it may be to head coach interviews of minority candidates each year instead of one that they do something because this problem it cries out to be fixed. Definitely Peter I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and share with you my thanks to Joe Buck Can Harry Carson interesting stimulating conversations. So thanks for joining me this week. Look forward to recapping the championship games looking forward to the super bowl next week.

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Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network

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"The estimate call eight three three two eight seven three four three five or visit getldi filtered dot com as a nurse. Not Making it to work was not option. Van crabgrass for upto. Four months and feed for Greener Grass triple action so your long thrives guaranteed only from. Scott's weeds aren't welcome here. This is a scots yard. Pick up a bag of Scott's triple action today can I be real with you right now? I mean like really really real. Yes I just thought about going out in the second half and a little bit of P came out Dazzle Rick tittle. You done broke my heart but I still take you back. You Hella fine. Thank you for that and welcome back to this. Show rectal with you one. Eight hundred eight seven a play and we will not have Michael Biz being on the show today. We just found out during the break. He texted US and said. I'm sorry I'm in surgery. So you'd say you're not allowed to take a Texan into surgery. Well this is a serious thing and I don't mean to make light of it but there's also something to keep in mind as well. He's English who English English in surgery. Means sometimes your APP hospital. We don't say the hospital in England. It's just we we just they just say hospital and I need to see. I need to go to surgery. Surgery is basically the ER the emergency room surgery for us is being an ESA cise. And everybody's wearing masks on Bart. And then they cut you open. Start digging around but anyway all the best to Michael Biz Bing. His Book quitters never win is out now from a diversion books but will reschedule him and like I said I know people say. How much are you paying guests once again? I've we've never paid one guest. No radio guest in history outside of something bizarre has ever been paid so I can't get mad at somebody if he's fricken surgery. What if he literally? They're like beep Beep Sir. He put the phone down. We're going into surgery. Hold on hold on. I can't do this. Show them str- straight up. Khuda so Michael visiting surgery and we will reschedule. Saw Story yesterday that Tom Brady said that. He has called all his new teammates with the Tampa. Bay buccaneers and I would imagine that twenty five that they've players who received these calls are divided into four groups. Three groups three groups. Twenty five percent are like oh my gosh. I can't believe Tom Brady's calling me by the way did he really call every backup long snapper. But it's like oh my gosh. It's Tom Brady. I can't believe it. Yea thank you for coming to our team sir. Ever since I knew it football was you were the best. Thank you Sir may have another thank you. Another twenty five percent was thinking that the whole time but was acting cool was TB twelve. Yeah Man Yeah it's cool. We don't have a good old time. Ma Arman keep a hunter. That's right don't front like You d when you didn't like I had said when I had had said that are and then they hang up. Oh My Gosh. I just spoke with Tom Brady. Then the other half fifty percent city did this. Why would it ring like England? Let's just say rings? Like England and Florida. Hello Hi is this Andre. Yeah this this. Is Tom Brady man a I just want to shut up? Ain't funny beating Buddha we're sorry if you'd like to make a call please hang up and try again. Somebody would call back and he has a rotary phone. New England G earn G. R. Her G. Earn Woo Woo. Woo Hello Andrea. It's Tom. Brady not kidding. Hey I just wanted to say that I'm looking for. I've been watching you a fan Can't wait to be a part of the team. This only do everything I can for the team. I'm a team guiding about me. It's about us all for one on for all Fifty Three Musketeers. Yeah scarlet pimpernel. You'll man quit pretending like you. Tom Brady a monarchy. You out medium. That's half right there. That's half of what happened. It just is you know. Half OF THEM WERE IN AWE. Although half of bad half kinda tried to play it cool. But that's the thing when you find out that Tom Brady calls you. What do you do you text everyone you know to Tom? Brady just call my cell really. How did he get yourself then? I wonder let's say Tom Brady. Calls cell phone okay. Who has a house on these days anyway? Grandma calls the phone now. His number is in. Y'All and you can think I could slow this to TMZ for five grand. Or maybe. I should call him back. Maybe that's what he wants. Even though I'm a practice squad guard who's never played an NFL game and only dressed for two. I think he wants to be my best friend food. Mr Brady's state mile view this jeeves. Hi this is Carl shelter snatcher and with his teammate of his. Now I play with Tampa Bay Can you just get him on the phone? Real quick instabilities quite busy right now and you liked to leave a massage. Yeah can you just tell me? And Danny Danny we gotTa Duck Blind and It's all stock. We got twenty. Four Schlitz Malt liquor by the way and got some twenty gauge. I got some twelve games shotgun birdshot and there's a thing that we got down here at the UH at and our bay. It's called Limitless Sundays. And that means you can shoot as many ducks as you want. And for all those people who are with Pita WanNa let them know that this is the service I'm doing for the ducks. This helps the dog's not the ones that get shot and splash to the ground and a fiery violent death but for the ducks as a society. This way they can breathe better and they can fly better. And just it's sustainable. You know it's all about gluten free sustainable farmers markets organic. The this is what this is. This is the organic elimination of ducks with organic birdshot. With an organic shotgun with living organism. Which is me and I'd like to see. Tom would like to come down. And sit in the duck blind with him. Or let's just say you want to shoot. Tom Brady taxed you wait a week. You're asking your girlfriend or your wife when he should. I text him and we go. She pulled her hair behind her here. Let's do it all right. Look are you going to do or should I put in an Emoji? Just put can't wait til this virus Sh- mirus thing over and we can get to work and Just tell them that you read the TB twelve book on think there is a TV twelve bucks now online. Okay well then. Just just tell them. You can't wait to get going to eager beaver okay. No Emoji just those smiley phase. I put a fist or like the FLEX. Flexing bicep okay. You can do that but when you text him back. Just say that I want to hang out with Giselle. Should I do that or just? Tell them you're excited about the David Blaine thing. Because you know that he's in that. Why don't I wait till I watched the day? But boy and thing and then I'll say ha ha. I would have fallen for that too. Big UPS BIG PROPS. Yoyo. That's lit fam- for she's how about if I do that. Okay and then you send the text and you get nothing back and your girlfriend's like the detects you back now. He's an eater. Screw him. Mr Hansen Mr Ugh boots. Mr Stetson MR TB twelve. He's a big jerk and any five. It's actually back Bello. He Takes Me Back L. O. L. Is he laughing at what I said? Or is he laughing that I would have the audacity that I think I can text him or do you think his Butler actually did the texting you never know and by the way when a UFC fighter is on going to be on your show and then he goes into surgery at the last second. I have in front of me. A litany of great topics to talk about or I could go on a ten minute. Mary poff of all the scenarios that could happen with Tom. Brady cawing teammates and I chose to do the latter all right back to the real world while there has listen. I'm sitting in my sweats in my downstairs. I don't even think I'm on the air right now. I know I am. I mentioned the cowboys earlier. Because they've signed Alden Smith and we know that there has been apparently some progress between Jerry Jones and the legendary former head coach. Jimmy Johnson teammates at the University of Arkansas back in the day. And we know that in August I guess August Jerry. Jones will go into the pro football hall of fame but Jones is having a single thought of inducting Johnson. And when asked if you would be the presenter he said Now it's GonNa be a troy. Aikman Johnson made that announcement then on social media and He revealed that Terry Bradshaw. We'll have the honor of sliding him into his gold jacket. Now why would it be Terry Bradshaw? He never played for the steelers coach. The steelers Terry. Bradshaw is his buddy on TV. Now a Ha- aikman you might remember Willows Johnson's first. Ever pick and they go back farther than that Johnson passionately Attempted to convince Young Aikman to go to Oklahoma state where he was the head coach at the time. C'mon stayed home in Oklahoma and went to the sooners and he found out that very switzer yes in fact was not going to change the wishbone into a drop back passing scheme like he promised so. Troy Aikman left the Djamil. Hollywood days Troy Aikman laughed and he went to Terry Donahue's Ucla bruins program where he won the Heisman and was a number on overall pick What three rings and now into the Hall of Fame As well but you might remember when Jerry Jones Jerry Jimmy Johnson was approached on TV by Dave Baker and being hall of fame. They showed Troy Aikman who was getting ready to broadcast a game ever. He's the number crew with Fox with Joe Buck and they would flash back to John to troy Aikman watching and he wasn't crying but you could see. There was no tears coming down but you could see. He was getting close. His eyes were kind of welling up and just saw him staring. I don't know to me. That was a really cool moment. And my first impression was because remember Jimmy Jimmy. Johnson was the guy he when they traded. Steve Wal she said we kept the wrong guy he was really hard on. Troy Aikman as rook number one overall pick. He was hard on and I was a team that went one in fifteen. Remember that one and fifteen his rookie year that all sorts were. He called a timeout. My calling out that's our audible and it's like why does it look like a timeout? And I kinda thought when I saw that that Aikman was going on that. Sob got in now is love. They've been through the wars together so to speak they Come out on the other side very successfully and it will be for Cowbell them. Go Troy Aikman. We'll give the speech. I'm retreatment had sit there when he went in and listen to Harry Carson.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Eli Manning thoughts, and Steve Spagnuolo is in the Super Bowl

Big Blue View

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Eli Manning thoughts, and Steve Spagnuolo is in the Super Bowl

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Today's show will feature two parts. First Part will be about Eli Manning. It's the first chance that I've had to to do a show. Since Manning's press conference on Friday to officially announce his retirement. I'll offer or you some thoughts on. We'll also play a couple of clips from former general manager Ernie Coursey and from former giant and current pro oh football hall of Famer Harry Carson regarding their thoughts on manning as he calls it a career later on in the show will also talk walk with Pete Sweeney of Arrowhead Pride obviously Arrowhead pride covers the Kansas City chiefs and the giants connection action to the Super Bowl. Really at this point is Kansas City chiefs. Defensive Coordinator Steve Spagnolo. We will talk to to Pete about route spags and about his contribution to the chiefs as they've made this run to the Super Bowl. Let's let's start giants fans with a couple of clips from Friday's manning press conference. You'll hear first from Ernie a Coursey and then from hall all of Famer Harry Carson fulfilling. You feel good you know I. I don't think he needs so many parts for it to happen. You you know you need you. Talk Coffin Organization Tirade domestic cash. Things have to happen for you to be right about somebody in a wrong place at the wrong time coach. Who knows but fulfilling what I really feel the most is retired sway? Best friend called me. Favors person puts his future one uh-huh management but I never had a problem rolling the dice. Fantasy in our business is to have conviction conviction that he really don't go with it. It's your Foley but before I was I was going to get interesting. TRAE I I was pretty convinced. His junior year on this scattered reports that went viral somewhat editing editing. Over the years by me pretty convincing on that I feel pretty strongly about it right away and I saw. I was here when he came in having been treated from San go to joins us here. Our Paths Cross Talk Tony and we. You know we've had some conversations so you know about playing in New York by has done an outstanding job representing even the giant Ms Ation but also the manning family people look at players they it typically only see what they do on fear long he busted you do feel would he has also done so much for so many people off the field and I think we can have an impact on the lives of people dealing with various issues whether it's kids with cancer and you walk into a room and so you see a kid named Brian Neck. Kids Day by being it is it is it is priceless all right those clips from a Coursey and Carson provided just a little glimpse of what we heard and what we saw on Friday out out at the giants facility in East Rutherford New Jersey. The impressive thing for me as I was there on Friday was really the outpouring of love and an appreciation for manning not even so much as a player but as a person so many former players so many former coaches GM Ernie coursey all sorts of dignitaries there to be part of of the event as manning called it a career after sixteen eight years with the giants and that was really. The impressive thing was people. Didn't really WANNA talk about manning. The player as much as they wanted to talk about. Manning manning the teammate manning the person what he did off the field how he interacted with them how he represented the franchise. How he you know how he was such a good teammate? How he always showed up for them and that was impressive to me because let's be honest for all of us? It's the most important thing is what type of human being. We are what type of person we are and a lot of these guys were asked what they thought of. Eli Manning's hall of fame chances and you guys know if you've read big blue view you know that over the weekend. I said that I believe he. Li- manning is is definitely a hall of Famer. Now listen I do not believe he gets in on the first ballot. I think that there's going to be a lot of competition. We don't yet know who else we'll retire other than you know. Carolina Panthers Linebacker Luke Keithly who will be a first of first year eligible hall of Famer the same year as Eli Manning but I do believe that eventually Eli gets into the hall of fame. I think the farther away we get from his career the more more people will recognize and appreciate the to play off. Runs the two super bowls against Tom. Brady and maybe the memories of some of the bad toward the end of allies career which I will say is largely not ally Manning's fault. I've said many many times that I believe leave the organization. Let Eli down much more so than the other way around. So I believe he's a hall of Famer. You can go back back to big blue view and read that piece. If you get the opportunity I would appreciate it if you did if you haven't done so already but as I said I just wanted to get back to the the the really really impressive thing for me. As as I went through Friday and as I listened to to so many people speak Tom. Coughlin Ernie core I see talk to. Harry Carson talked to Daniel Jones about ally manning and the impressive thing was that it just kept coming back to the kind of person person that Eli is and for me. You know I always appreciated. Eli as a player. But also as a person the way he represented the franchise the way he represented himself the way that that he always deflected blame from his teammates. So Oh you know for me. Manning will be missed and I think we saw that on Friday. You know from the the outpouring just from the number of people who made sure to to be there For for Manning as he announced his retirement so giants fans. You know theoretically or actually in reality polity manning is now the past for the giants and we have to move toward the future. What we're going to do right now? You know we're we're in Super Bowl Week. Were in sort of a dead period of time for the giants. Were still waiting to find out. How new head coach? Joe Judge Will Finalize His coaching coaching staff. We know most of how that's going to turn out will spend a lot more time on a future show dissecting all of the hires and figuring out how we think the pieces of that staff might fit together. Let's actually change gears a little bit here giants giants fans. Let's turn our attention to the upcoming super bowl and to a former giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnolo who we'll be leading the Kansas City defense on Sunday in that Super Bowl against the San Francisco Forty niners. We know that a lot of of giants fans were. We're disappointed a couple of years back when the giants let Spagnolo go and brought in James Becher as defensive coordinator for patch. dermer summer. All I can say at this point is I'm happy for spags. I to kind of wish that the giants had stayed with SPAGNOLO. What have always he said about spags is that I think he's a terrific coach? I think did he is a guy who given talent to work with. Given good players players given smart players. He can really do a good job in building a defense and I think we've seen that with Kansas City in two thousand nineteen. That is a team that That you know after last year they fired their defensive coordinator heard of abroad in spags. They changed their defensive system. They gave him a lot of what he wanted to work with in Kansas City. And what happened there with the achieve. This year reminds me a little bit of what happened in two thousand and seven where that defensive unit in Kansas City didn't Mesh right away but got better and better. As as the season went along and to be honest I feel really good for spags. I'm happy for him. I'm happy that he's had success in Kansas City that he gets this opportunity to be back in the Super Bowl and after we come back from the break that we're about to take your giants fans play for you an interview that I did with Pete Sweeney of Arrowhead Pride which covers the Kansas City chiefs for SB nation about spags in his contribution to to the chiefs. There's a new kind of credit card created by Apple. It's called Apple Card and it lives in your wallet APP and in Your Wallet. You can buy do things with apple pay or laser titanium card. It sets a whole new level for privacy and security and it gives you daily cash back with every purchase. 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That being the fact that the chiefs defense is coordinated by former giants coordinator coordinator and briefly interim head coach. Steve Spagnolo so here to talk about spags and the job that he's done in. Kansas City is Pete Sweeney of SP nations arrowhead pride. Pete welcome to the show and they give me on. Hey congratulations on on the chiefs. So getting to the Super Bowl I know. Giants fans have have mixed feelings about Andy Reid but relations nonetheless. Thank you yes. We're excited the head down in Miami. been a longtime longtime coming for the chiefs. So I know it's an exciting time. Giants fans have been through it a couple times although it's not in the last few years but it really is is a an exciting fun time for any fan base. Yeah no data batted A. You should see Kansas City right now. It is almost to the point of electric. I would say reminds me a couple years back when the royal suddenly were relevant and we're able to push toward the world series and and now you have people in Kansas City in. It's a mixture of excitement and almost I can't believe it and so it's cool time to be a right here in the mid West. Well let's talk about Steve Spagnolo and you know one of the one of the chiefs who's actually been through this obviously with the giants back in two thousand and seven and spags. I think you know. After leaving the giants he was out of the League year ago. Got Got a chance in Kansas the city to to run that defense. Just tell me a little bit about what Spagnolo has meant to the chiefs during this run. Yeah he's really been a point for them of someone who they can have confidence in when they turn to and he gives off this this pseudo father vibe. I think that maybe giants fans can remember from his time with with New York. And what. What's interesting about this is it started in the off season? The chiefs went from Bob. Sutton's three four. Two SPAGNOLO in the four. Three look in with spags was able to do was bring it in his own coaching staff. One of those coaches includes cornerbacks. Defensive backs coach Sam Madison. Who has been really good with a lot of these players in the spectacle also was able to? Oh sit down with chief. GM bread beach and they evaluated the roster and said. I like this guy. I don't like this guy. I like this guy. Here's why they evaluated the free agents agents who become available and see spell bread. Vh reportedly played a big role in in making sure they highlighted tyrant. Matthew and Frank Clark so the chiefs go in trade and signed Frank Clark and they said goodbye to some really big pieces in Eric Berry Justin Houston d Ford and supposedly a spike diagnosed. Wasn't that mix so that foundation from the get-go was important and good for the chiefs for getting spags and they feel like they have the right guy. Well you do most definitely definitely have to You have to bring in the right pieces to to to run. Whatever system coordinator wants to run RON? How hard was the change in Kansas City? You from from three four to two. What's bags wants to run the four three the more aggressive? Uh the more aggressive kind of kind of scheme that he runs yet. I I think because of these big personalities like Patrick Mahomes Travis Kelsey the the the job that that beach and spags or able to do in just one year's time turnover. The defense in one year was impressive. And if you were thinking about how they said goodbye to guys like Eric Berry and Justin Houston Those were key guys in Kansas City. Guys fans loved end so fans are ready to say goodbye. Adda Bob Sutton but that was a little bit of a shock and then you had struggles at the beginning of the year and SPAGNOLO would come to the microphone and say we just need time. Andy Reid would say we just need time and I asked Andy Reid about that process the other day in one of the things he told me was look. Part of the reason for the success was because he built this staff. He knew that they were confident. In his system in what they were trying to do and at some point along the lines here it would click and that happened for the chiefs after about week. Ten Week. Eleven they lost to the Tennessee. Titans and haven't lost since and Again Kudos to Solo and a staff and and spags truly has become. Come one the beloved figures here in Kansas City. It reminds me Pete. I don't know if you're familiar if you remember what happened with the giants in two thousand seven seven leading up to that two thousand eight Super Bowl where the first couple of games under spags as as a rookie defensive offensive coordinator at the time. We're really really really ugly. Giants gave up a lot of points. They lost really badly and then I think it was week three or so. They made a really really big goal. Line stand I think it was against the Washington redskins and from there. It just sort of took off just reminds me of that. Where as you said it took time? It just feels the same way where it took time but but it's all coming together for that championship. Run right when you want it to happen does it. Does it feel that way to you as well. Yeah and I remember some press conference during training camp where one of the questions that that for some reason sticks with me was they were asking Spagnolo. How lofty could he set his goals for the system manure one because he has had years in the past where he struggles early on and one thing that he said was i? I understand that aspect of but now I have experienced. Last year was the first year he took off from football since nineteen eighty so he was able to sort of get introspective. A little bit and say okay. Maybe in year one. We won't be able to get as exotic as we might be able to your career three with some of the similar faces and I think that simplicity that making taking guys read and what they have to do as far as being gap sound and so on and so forth and just making it simple has led to the success in a clicking here at the end and the chief players liars. You could tell really buy into the system and I think that goes right back to SPEC Noah. I'm curious you know he does. Have you know he was here with the giants twice as defensive coordinator and he's got a mixed bag in terms of resume obviously really really successful his first time time around with the giants really bad tenure in Saint Louis as a head coach. You couple of bad defenses. That he ran one in New York. Can One actually in in New Orleans which I think was a historically bad defense but again in even in his second. Tenure in New York's success when he had a good defensive players so I guess my question is when he was hired by Andy Reid was there some some trepidation in Kansas City fan base just based simply on that on that sort of mixed bag resume that he's got yes while chiefs fans are are wild and so they look at every move and break it down with a microscope and so there were certain people on both ends of this some were pointing to his lack of success. In initial years in some are pointing to the head. Coaching years others were saying. How could this system work here with some of the players that the chiefs chiefs had and and yeah it was mixed feelings and at the beginning of the year and even towards the middle you know I said that I don't feel like the difference really clicked until in week ten or week? Eleven that's halfway. That's more than halfway past year. And the Andy Reid and they were they were tried and true They kept saying we just need time and we just need time and it was getting late. Early as a New Yorkers can relate to with Yogi Berra and eventually it really did click in for for me it all runs through tire and Matthew. He's been a blessing for the chiefs. Both on and off the field. He's one of those guys that is playing in a way that almost makes himself worth two guys. Despite all the things you could do an AL quickly he can move about the field and SPAGNOLO's tendency here to was again with the personnel. He wanted bigger bodies. Upfront in the chiefs went out and did that. And you know for example. A guy like there's a guy named Tina opacity who is well known probably anywhere but Kansas City. But everyone everyone just wrote him off and we thought that this defensive end edge player would be gone and Spec Nola when we asked about him initially when he came was no. I like this guy. Because he's big lane the any stuck with them. It wasn't a case of he was going to be pushed in one way or another. And I think you're seeing the results of of what he was able to do. Yeah it's interesting thing. I remember sitting in a press conference with spags when he started his second tenure with the giants and he was asked similar question. About how quickly can you turn this around. How quickly can you? Can you get this defense going again. Can You repeat the success that you had in two thousand seven seven in two thousand eight and he said look. I'm not a miracle worker. I'm I'm a coach. You know he he said I. Can't it basically it depends is on the people that I'm given and that's what I've always looked at spags as is a guy who if you give him the right pieces if you give him players that can that can play if you give him guys. who can rush the passer? He he knows what to do with them. And and I'm I'm assuming that that as has the year has gone on in in Kansas City. That's kind of what you've seen over there. Yeah and and something that sticks to me too is a training camp when Patrick MOMS was asked is about the defense and even initially he was like this is vastly different than last year. I mean Patrick. Mahomes came into the season as the reigning. MVP and SPAG NOLA was putting out different. Looks and confusing. Mahomes MOMS admitting that much different than last year. Right from the get go. There was this idea that he was going to improve the defense. And not that. That's the hardest thing because the chiefs were among the worst last year. But he's made it among the best which you're right I think it really has a lot to do with the personnel which I mentioned a few times I think he was allowed to pick and choose who we wanted to keep on last team in the spread of each the type of player that he wanted for these different spots and so one thing led to another and he had exactly what it what he wanted as far as personnel when it came to his staff. I you and I told you guys about Saint Madison and then being able to actually pick and choose the players like draft I mean. How often do you fall into a situation like that in the NFL? Sometimes you've just given what what what has been leftover in so perfect situation and you see how he's been able to succeed what I wonder. What's next for this? If the chiefs are able to get to a few few super bowls here if there are able to win one coming up next Sunday does he get another look at head coaching opportunity. I don't necessarily know if it'll be this year but I think I think he'll get one more chance at that sometime in the future. That will be interesting Pete. I know that there are still giants fans who wished that the giants had had decided citing to keep Nola on when Pat Shurmur became head coach. A couple of years ago but I doubt that there are any giants fans out out there who wished spags anything but the best I know I feel really good for him and I just You know good luck to you guys in the Super Bowl. I wanted to thank you for coming on Tell folks while I've got John. Tell folks what you're you're super bowl coverage is gonNA look like over there at Arrowhead Pride. Yeah if you want cheese specific coverage coverage you can go to Arrowhead Pride dot com. My personal twitter is PG swing. And so I'll be reporting from the ground in Miami. And then to sesame espey nation in general espionage dot Com espy nation social media. 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Steve Sawitz, Owner of Joe's Stone Crab

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

00:00 sec | 10 months ago

Steve Sawitz, Owner of Joe's Stone Crab

"At IBM problems inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city traffic to Shen plastic smart loves problems. Ibm A. B. M. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more. This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy Shop the Super Bowl's in Miami and even when it's not the world heads to one restaurant in particular her by some measures the most successful restaurant ever anywhere at anytime. Joe's Stone Crab which specializes in that wonderfully succulent crustacean is is more than an institution it history and Glamour and delicious in my book. Anyway and I'm not even in need of reservation not today anyway as the world. Oh heads as I sit to Miami. We are joined by Steve Say wits the odor of Joe's whose great grandfather was the original. Joe Joe Weiss who started serving food in south Florida nineteen thirteen. And Steve's grandfather Jesse Joe son turned Joe's into the legend. It remains Steve. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for having me. I thank you for those kind words through our words of never been spoken. Certainly not on this show. How crazy is it right now as we speak on Wednesday night and everyone wants to get into Joe's well you can? You can feel the excitement building up There's a weight right now as we wait. There's there's people sitting in you know all over the dining room Fans are coming in Truth of the matter is Lawrence Taylor is here and Harry Harry Carson is here at you know at the same time Ed new ministerial played on the dolphins. You know it's it's it's amazing. So we're getting geared up The stars ours are coming The the sports legends are coming and Our staff you know we're we're it's an extra guy it's a shot of adrenaline that we so dearly love. Having you know in Miami's geared for it you know so we're we're we're excited you're packed anyway like is it really that that much more business for you guys or is it just kind of a pain in the butt because you can't get in anyway even if the Super Bowl's in Los Angeles this week well every who's who in in the world seems to want to get a table at the same exact time you know. They want an eight o'clock table on a Friday or Saturday night. They're willing to do whatever it takes. And that's during Super Bowl particularly normally we're at about ninety five ninety ninety five percent capacity all the time this is a hundred and ten percent capacity acidy where we do need an area for instance upstairs where we will logistically we have A place for you know peop- Stars ars and notables and people with a lot of notoriety where they can wait a little bit and Schmooze a little bit before they come down down the stairs to sit in the main dining room because we get very large parties. It's hard to get those tables put together. We've got lots of demands. We've got people from American Express Visa all of them you know. They all want to converge at the same time and impress their clients and experience. Joe We're speaking with Steve Say wits. The fourth generation owner of Joe's you stone crab the legendary restaurant at the very bottom essentially of south beach which has been serving its stone. Crabs and other specialties. Four generations Four Generations F. O. U. R. N. F. O. R. AS WELL AS Steve You knew my father. Well Dick SCHAAP. If there's one thing that made him happy it was tonight at Joe's and He was he considered perhaps one of his most prized possessions. If that's the way to put it the ability to get get into Joe's it. He always said he quoted the late. Dan Jenkins he said. If you wanted to cover the super bowl thing to do was just situate yourself off at the bar. Joe's and watch everybody you needed to speak to during the course of the week. Come through Joe's you never had to go anywhere else Tell us a little bit about the history of pro football and your establishment. Okay well my grandfather was very responsible for getting super bowls to Miami. I starting with the very you know the first Super Bowl we got super bowl number two and that was Jesse wise my grandfather and he was very friendly with many of the owners in the NFL. He used to go to those meetings. sometimes out in Phoenix wherever they took them. I mean The the hunts were were. Were our friends. have his and The Meyer is were friends and the Rooney's were friends. And he knew them all on a you know on a first name. Basis in fact He I used to kind of wait for the tickets to come in. If you know what I mean you know he was. He was big on Super Bowl. Tickets and not that he went to the game but Miami and and super bowls were you know went hand in hand and Joe's was One of the beneficiaries of of all the all these huge games. And we've been blessed but I'll tell you you mentioned your dad I loved your father and He was an amazing part of of of Super Bowl in general and with his Green Bay. Packer party that he had injustice room. I mean your dad held court and he was is just the classiest Guy Sweetman And I you know he always remembered me and you know what I just want to say. You know you're you're the same kind of guy and I just WanNa let you know that that's very kind. I really appreciate that Steve. Thank you for people out there who don't understand the appeal appeal of Joe's who've never had the privilege of dining at Joe's who might not even know what a stone crab is or where taste like. How do you explain what it's all about okay? Well a stone crab is a indigenous to the Florida waters Their claws are removed at sea by the fishermen. They're caught in traps craps. They're very hard. Shell the clause then are broken off in the body is thrown back into the water where the crabs will grow their claws back. So that's sustainability. That's that's a wonderful thing. Them a clause which are uncooked must be cooked that day after fishery. So they're boiled oiled for You know between ten and twelve minutes depending on their size and then they're immediately chilled they have to be. There's actually served cold and and so after their chills and ice down. We get them the very next morning where you know. Hopefully they're going to be on your plate that night and they're the claws laws are actually cracked to order and there we crack him with a mallet. You don't have to do it if the table they're very very sharp if you if you mishandled title them you can't get a little little cut but we crack him so that you don't hurt yourself at all and then you without stone crabs. You can't forget the mustard sauce tossed that we use which is a key absolutely key. Yeah in fact I think stone crabs or are the delivery system for the mustard sauce. Not the other way around. That's I agree I I agree so it is it is a proprietary. I mean I've had you know other mustard sauces. We've all had other months us. Something about Joe's that's just different. It is it a closely guarded secret or is just mustard and Mayonnaise I. It's the I'll tell you it's Coleman's dry English mustard. It's a high end man as like the Helman's mayonnaise with a one sauce and wished your sheer sauce. And the the the the recipe is you know is is published but I must say I think it's the love that goes into it and I think it's just being Joe's has has some kind of magical you know Effect on on people were speaking with Steve Say wits. He's the owner the fourth generation owner of Joe's stone crab on South Beach in Miami a big week for jobs. But it's always a big week for Joe's they're open in their clothes two months a year because stone crab season isn't year round. It's supposed to be just the months at ending. Are we really getting is that. Still the case Steve or or can you get stone crabs now now when it's not April it's not a September October. Through April you can get stone. Crabs year round. We ship all over the country even year round even though the season ends so like in April. May We start to freeze some crabs. Actually we freeze during the season as well just to be careful because because you never know if you get a red tide or the you know the bad weather. Or there's some kind of unforeseen thing with the fishermen etc so and we have three the other joes is across the country so we've got Chicago Vegas in DC so we've got a supply them we we keep a frozen stock so that we can. Hopefully you know ship in the summer and serve stone crabs. When I say summer I mean post may may fifteenth? We'll serve stone crabs in the restaurant. 'cause we stayed open in a little bit later. We're trying to round out the year a little bit because Miami and Miami beach are becoming year round cities really. I mean. It's Miami's a huge huge destination especially for South America and Europe and all over the country. So you know we like to have stone. Crabs now if it's a tough season like last year then we have to make some changes to the menu and if we may not serve as many stone crabs so we may have other items like the Alaskan asking king crabs or the The crabs from England which we did very well without last summer. I gotTA ASK YOU Steve. Everybody the world is we've established wants to go to Joe's particularly this week not only for the incredible food and unique delicacy that is the stone crab but to be seen gene To be part of that Of of the biggest seen the best seen at a big event. Like this what happens. Can you tell some big celebrity. Some big big shot Mucky muck. Sorry we cannot help you. You gotta just stand in line like like everybody buddy else. Well I don't like to tell them that I saw somebody else do like jt. Six foot six foot four but now we have a lot of them actually call beforehand. Even though we don't take reservations the many of them will have somebody call on their behalf off and but it's super bowl. It's very very hard to do. I mean what happens is friends of friends call and they'll call and and you know vouch for these people or vie for them and try to you. Know Lobby to get their friends. And it's it's kind of fun especially around superbowl we're dealing with it right now but Sometimes they just have to be patient. We do our best. You know when people have those kinds of special needs because you don't want somebody who's a megastar a star standing in line waiting you know they're going to be for their own safety for their own wellbeing and and all that we just don't WanNa harass them so or have them harass so we will you know will will move them around and put seat them in the office you know and I did that. With Joe Namath. One time many years ago I mean just just the name off the top of my head. I remember waiting in the office when I was a kid You know it's it's crazy. I mean there's so many we handle it. That's that's all I can say is if we know they're coming. We keep our eyes out on the table or floor managers and my general manager Bryan Johnson. He's all over it and ed at the front door and JT. They keep their eyes out. We we know they're coming. We're on it and there's a lot of restaurants that know how to do that too. It is incredible establishment ocean credible operation a finely honed machine. Steve say what's the fourth generation owner of Joe's stone crab. Miami Beach Steve. Thanks so much for catching up with with us this week. Thank you Jeremy Take Care. I'm Jeremy Shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life. Saturday and Sunday morning on E._S._P._N.. Radio and E._S._p._N. APP beginning at six A._M. Eastern time.

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Lawrence Taylor Pt. 1

Sports Criminals

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Lawrence Taylor Pt. 1

"January twenty fifth nineteen eighty-seven as halftime began the scoreboard for Super Bowl. Anyone read Denver broncos Ten New York giants nine has they shuffled into the locker room the giants morale was broncos Twenty Lawrence Taylor was a super bowl champion he should have been on cloud nine instead he was subdued numb to the excitement his mind was elsewhere on what he would do after he left the stadium uh-huh that nearly ruined his career this week we'll chart Lt's meteoric rise to the NFL also explore how his popularity around the league ager incident in May two thousand ten threatened his attempt at redemption coming out of halftime his teammates played like men possessed and when the clock hits zero the scoreboard read giants thirty nine shoulders slumped Taylor stepped forward and began listen guys we didn't play no type of football the scores tend to nine yet from that first lung full of crack Cocaine Very New York City linebacker Lawrence Taylor when the giants picked him second overall in the nineteen eighty one draft they had no idea that welcome to sports criminals par cast original every week we dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law they had selected the man who would change the game forever they also had no idea that he would struggle with drug addiction and host of personal problem they got every break and we played no giant football whatsoever not one iota giant football we're about to go out here and kick these guys but Taylor refused to go down without a fight earlier that year lt had battled a drug problem in one now that he was clean it it wasn't the most eloquent or memorable halftime speech ever given but it did enough to rouse the giants from their stupor. I am Carter Roy you can find episodes of sports criminals and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts all seasons on the field and see how retirement drove him into a spiral of drug addiction and brushes with the law finally we'll examine how a me let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network today we begin our dive into the legend he wasn't GonNa let all that hard work go to waste time to put up or shut up as the giants sat in the Locker Room and the city of New York lead him to a hard partying lifestyle and a secret addiction to crack cocaine next week will follow Lt's aw but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played I'm Tim Johnson and to stream sports criminals for free on spotify just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar at podcast we're grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love what makes Lt so great what makes him so aggressive is his total disregard for his body he was fast three two hundred forty pound linebacker Lawrence Lt Taylor Bill Belichick who was one of Lt's coaches on the New York giants once said mm-hmm on getting his hands on a Baggie full of white powder mixing it in with the hand-rolled cigarette and the Rushi of dire consequences both in the stadium and in his home life but before he became the unstoppable force expired him coaches had no idea how to stop him his fearlessness inspired and influenced defensive players for generations tation around every corner lt became the life of the party as he polluted his body with booze and crack cocaine the toll of such vices was museum and if he said his sights on you more often than not you're gonNA find yourself hitting the ground hard quarterback but the disregard for his body didn't only apply to his style of play off the field lt found himself drawn to drugs and alcohol with onus lt he was little Lonnie Taylor born on February fourth nineteen fifty nine in Williamsburg Virginia though in Lt permission to play Pop Warner Youth football in high school he played defensive guard quickly came to love being on defense did however a coach University of North Carolina was willing to take a chance on him in the fall of nineteen seventy seven at the age of eighteen orig- by his father Clarence to play football his mother Iris refused to allow it but when he was around fifteen high-risk finally gave in Z. says in his memoir Lt over the edge I knew right away that I'd rather hit then be hit soon it was time to start thinking of and in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s the game of football was changed forever but the man responsible wasn't a quarterback or running back it was six foot lt officially played his first game as a UNC tar heel during his sophomore season his coaches moved Lt to linebacker playing at the next level but even at six foot one two hundred pounds lt was slightly on the smaller side for what some of the major football college is one no one had any idea how consequential the change would be not just for Lt but for the entire sport but Carolina state it was the game that introduced lt to the world when the UNC defense took the field not lined up and face down NC state quarterback Scott Smith is is never left the Wolfpack ball handler when the center snapped listen until Lt's junior season that everything clicked on October Twentieth Nineteen seventy nine UNC faced number fifteen coming up to throw the ball down the field the two men collided jarring the ball loose. Lt could see the ball bouncing out of Smith's hand memoir that play shifted the spotlight onto him and that spotlight never left as luck should happen lt charged he blew past the two offense of guards like rag dolls and had a clear shot at Smith and just as Smith was wine hands and onto the grass as the ball bounced lt scooped it up and powered into the end zone touchdown tarheels according to Lt it the day he made that major play against NC state was the same day he met Sophomore Linda Cooley in a local bar in Chapel Hill at first Linda was hesitant to get involved with lt he had a reputation for being a bit of a bully on campus and was allegedly expecting a child with another woman but as they got to talking she found herself smitten by Lt's charming personality the too quickly became sweethearts in addition to his first Real Romance College also gave Lt his first taste of the party line style without anyone to keep him under control lt became a heavy drinker according to him quote on Saturday nights five of US field only grew legendary Oklahoma coach Barry Switzer nicknamed him Godzilla by the time his college career came to an end marijuana but realized he didn't care much for it or drugs in general according to him college was when he first heard about cocaine I would get a keg drink that and maybe two bottles of Jack Daniels and then go out on the town throughout college lt also occasionally smoked ear talks of Lt playing professionally began to swirl with each passing week in the fall of nineteen eighty his reputation as a monster on the but given his preference for alcohol he swore to stay away from it he did have a football career to consider after all going into his senior jacker lt figured they wouldn't be interested in him he was wrong while Lt cracked open a cold one he completely lt had caught the attention of organizations like the Dallas cowboys and the New York giants in addition to being named the ACC player of the Year Orleans Saints had selected heisman winner George Rogers running back out of South Carolina the pick hardly came as a surprise to lt written hotel unlike today top prospects weren't invited to the draft so as the proceedings began lt was watching from his pimps sex workers in junkies the big apple had quickly become known as fierce city NYC may have been on the east coast but only home in Williamsburg with ESPN's cameras rolling NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle announced that with the first overall pick the new the giants went on the clock Lt headed into the kitchen to grab a beer the previous season their offense had been dismal as a line missed rozelle's announcement to the world that the giants had selected him with the second overall pick he was going to New York up until then could be drafted first overall the nineteen eighty-one NFL draft took place on April Twenty eighth and twenty ninth at the New York the Saints Coach had already made it clear the first pick wouldn't be him he also knew different organizations had different priorities so as the neo acidy of over eighty thousand every Sunday he'd be playing in front of twice the population of Williamsburg and Chapel Hill people in Chapel Hill North Carolina had just over thirty thousand now lt would be moving to New York whose population in nine combined all of a sudden lt found himself going from a small pond to a very big ocean and it was filled without its detractors within the organization the coaches may have been excited but his fellow defencemen weren't so welcoming for them and a consensus all American hype was building that the twenty one year old would be a top ten pick in the upcoming draft some even thought he eighteen eighty was over seven million people giants stadium located on the outskirts of New York City in East Rutherford New Jersey had a lt had spent most of his life in small towns in the nineteen seventies the population of Williamsburg Virginia was under ten thousand on top of navigating these new challenges lt also had to navigate a hostile locker room the giants picking Lt was Kelly and Brad Van Pelt with the addition of Lt in one thousand nine hundred eighty one the crunch bunch as they would later be known was born a new lifestyle he may have spent his college years binge drinking and smoking some marijuana but New York offered every temptation imaginable ask gangsters like Frank Lucas and Nikki bonds flooded the streets where the stuff moving to New York City exposed the twenty two year old Lt to a whole leading bill parcells and Bill Belichick he also began building a defense to include the aforementioned hall of Famer Harry Carson and pro bowlers Brian at the time heroin was the prominent drug to take over the city. Nixon declared the rampant drug use America's public enemy number one and infant the very first day of training camp lt was fast very fast instead of running with the other linebackers he would sprint with sharks New York in the nineteen seventies was a city of crime and vice areas like forty second street were teeming with he took the job as the giants head coach He'd be overseeing a rebuilding franchise under his command he put together an incredible coaching staff and love parcells better than any coach he would have though at times in the heat of the moment the two fought bitterly the summer backers and defensive backs including hall of Famer Harry Carson believed that the linebacker core was already strong he thought they should have spent their picks sells began a relationship that would last for decades parcells knew exactly how to channel Lt's ferocity into focus he saw field to prove himself to everyone coming up lt takes New York by storms the nineteen seventy s and leading into the nineteen eighty s it was the wild west and that lawlessness extended to the rise in drugs words and sacking the quarterback he made veterans on the offensive line looked like they had never played the game before on day one of Camp Lt and Bill Order of the nineteen seventies the giants had been one of the worst teams in the league they had made the playoffs since nineteen sixty three and nineteen seventy two on a position that was more crucial to upgrade like a receiver or running back however coach Ray Perkins had an eye for talent he knew the winning as it turned out. Those worries were unfounded during the Game Lt was told to line up against the Eagles Wide Receiver Harold Carmichael alongside the wide receivers usually the fastest guys on a team. He could channel that quickness at the line of scrimmage quickly rushing past blockers guard nineteen eighty-one was going well for lt he had won a starting role married his girlfriend Linda Cooley and had a son Morris Taylor junior the field in his first official NFL game on Game Day lt entered giant stadium with butterflies in his stomach arm now back to the story over the summer of Nineteen eighty-one Lawrence Lt Taylor had pushed himself who was the last time they had a winning season the year before drafting Lawrence Taylor they finished a dismal four and twelve some of the line when quarterback Ranjha Warsi snapped the ball the plan was for lt to slam into Carmichael and prevent him from running his route just before his pro debut in September nineteen eighty-one Lt flew back to Chapel Hill to meet his new child who they nicknamed Tj after that he was the second overall pick he would have to earn a starting role but both parcels and Bella check saw something special in Lt from just before the snap Je War Ski gave the signal and Carmichael moved spots on the line but immediately returned towards lt like all rookies lt now sporting number fifty six was at the bottom of the depth chart fourth team. It didn't no I d what to do but lt had a rule he always lived by on the field if you get confused rush and get the quarterback on his back back as soon as you can and that's exactly what he did the ignoring the play Lt blew past the Eagles offensive line and drove ron six miles from giants stadium during a party midway through the season Lt got offered a line of cocaine unlike his resistance to doing mix with the letters lt at Games and chant that Lt was a god Lt couldn't get enough of it but his rookie year it wasn't so much stage fright at playing in front of over seventy two thousand people it was fear that he wasn't going to be the most dominant player of the game aw the birth of his son had a powerful impact on Lt with his young family and his heart Lt was ready to go out onto the war ski into the ground it was Lt's first professional sack into war sqi quickly learned to keep an eye out for number fifty six there wasn't without its challenges a few months into his first season Lt had his first encounter with a new opponent in lt the makings of one of the greats and would ride him harder than anyone else in camp in return Lt grew to respect and love x for the rest of his career the giants would go on to lose their opening game against the Eagles ten to twenty four but the NFL on with a sack provided a stronger boost than any drug ever could his mantra was Taylor controls the drug the drug doesn't control Taylor Oh Kane that year lt lived with fellow rookie linebacker Byron Hunt and rookie tight end Dave young in Passaic New Jersey abouts eggs in college this time he accepted maybe it was pressure from his friends maybe his burgeoning success said clouded his judgement for the time being he was going to hold firm to that but that night in passaic a secret relationship began but e maybe he just wanted to try something new but whatever his reasoning was lt love the fork feeling the cocaine gave him became priority number one in his first season lt quickly became a fan favourite and city hero fans would paint their style. Let's see head coach Ray Perkins resign in order to become head coach of Alabama but for lt it was another banner year Elti caught his first drug rush that night but he knew that making it a habit could threaten his career hitting guys on the field and bringing quarterback's down it completely confused the giants rookie so much so that wins the war ski finally snapped the Ball Lt lost sight of Carmichael and had order it cemented his place in history unfortunately nineteen eighty two wouldn't go quite as planned dark began to form according to Lt it was during his second season at twenty three when his cocaine use increased at first in as he began experimenting with drugs his first season would go down as one of the greatest rookie years in NFL history lt collected nine the season was shortened to only nine games due to a fifty seven day players strike the giants finished four and five a setback that world got a peek into what was to come in the following weeks teams would mark their calendars for when they were going to play the giants studying. Lt's films his limits to prove himself to his new coaches and teammates on the New York giants now on September six thousand nine hundred eighty one he was ready to take against drugs because of his dislike of marijuana back in college believed him as his use of drugs began to increase during the offseason hello despite the close score the Broncos had dominated the first half but New York Star linebacker Lawrence Lt was a highlight moment that took him to a second straight defensive player of the year award but during his sophomore year the legend of Lt after which bill belichick would be moved from linebackers coach to defensive coordinator parcells first year was abysmal in the nineteen eighty-three seats and a half sacks two forced fumbles and one interception and with those individual accomplishments came team success in nineteen eighty one it was a landmark season for the giants and for Lt the defensive rookie of the year the defensive player of the year and a probe the giants made it to the playoffs for the first time since nineteen sixty three though they lost in the divisional round against the San Francisco Forty niners the giants were in the midst of Coaching Change after Ray Perkins left in one thousand nine hundred eighty two defensive coordinator bill parcells was promoted to head coach it was only recreational and he still preferred alcohol as his main vice but as lt would go out and party in the big city the availability of the best warranty even fully aware of his cocaine habits and his wife Linda who is still living over five hundred miles away in Chapel Hill had when she confronted him about it he lied and said he was just holding on to it for one of his roommates Linda who was under the impression that her husband was during the Thanksgiving Day game against the Detroit lions he intercepted a pass from Gary Danielson and ran at ninety seven yards for a touchdown cocaine made it too hard for him to avoid Lt kept his drug use a secret and he made sure never use it on game days no idea that he was living a double life. Linda recalled finding a small baggy of cocaine and Lt coat pocket during a visit to New Jersey or managed only nine touchdowns with twenty two interceptions he was sacked thirty one times things on that side of the ball didn't seem to click and Lt much of what it was said about him was speculation and gossip teammates who lockers were next to L. Tease the men closest to them and who knew him the team finished three and twelve with one tie the defense however wasn't the problem it was the offense starting. QB Scott Brunner he grew frustrated he began to show up late for practice or missing entirely when parcells called him out on this behavior lt shifted the blame awesome self and onto his teammates he wasn't the problem they were but parcells refused to give up on his star player he continued I draw backs and so forth on each side of the middle linebacker was an outside linebacker this where lt lined up outside linebacker on the field and the biggest celebrity in New York fans eight up his ability to quickly and perfectly time getting off the line of scrimmage even though the USFL didn't have the same cachet as the NFL Lt decided to hear the man out without his agent's knowledge headed reputation continued to grow other teams would create their offensive strategy based solely on where Lt was going to line up happy with the giants healthy received a lifeline from the owner of the New Jersey generals of the short-lived US F. L. Donald trump relation both on and off the field by the end of the nineteen eighty-four season Linda and Tj at finally with trump he earned a new six hundred and fifty thousand dollar yearly salary that would rise to roughly one point one million by nineteen eighty six and -nificant res L. T. only agreed to re sign with the giants if bill parcells kept his job coach parcells always had his asked rusher from the outside whenever the ball snapped lt blasted through the offensive line looking to drag down the quarterback because of his side linebacker the one that lines up opposite of the quarterback was considered the most important position on the defense they did everything blitzes cover position as rumors swirled about ourselves future Lt was also growing frustrated with his contract as word got out that he wasn't and Lt came crashing through like a train and the last thing you wanted to be was in his way around the league itself Lt's feared was already in the hot seat in fact word was going around the papers that University of Miami coach Howard schnellenberger would be offered the giants head coaching not agreed to play for trump when his contract with the giants expired after the nineteen eighty-seven season when Lt's agents learned of this deal back now it was time for lt to return the favor by the end of the talks lt got everything he wanted he was able to buy out his agree of all bill parcells kept his job all thanks lt who found himself in an unprecedented position of power within the organs the results were almost always the same number fifty six taking down the quarterback prior to Lt's entrance into the league the inside it was more of a reactionary positions keep the eye on the ball and from there determine what to do Lawrence Taylor was different he was more of a they met with both trump and giants GM george young to renegotiate Lt's contract with giants in addition to demanding a cigar joined Lt in New Jersey and he led the giants to a nine seven record and another playoff appearance twenty five year old Lt was the biggest thing and bring down the likes of joy war ski thighs men Ken O'Brien Todd Blackledge Joe Montana it didn't matter how many men were supposed to block it him other defenses began to employ this strategy into the outside linebacker position but for his heart is lt hit sometimes adding extra tight ends the block and win defensive coordinator Bill Bella check picked up on it they would move lt two different part of the line of scrimmage aggressive one football by its very nature is violent and with that violence comes injury lt himself suffered from a few concussions he never did so with the intention of hurting anyone that was the last thing he ever wanted to do l. t. wasn't a dirty player by any means just in during his early years but no matter how much you train to protect yourself or others accidents are bound to happen to Lt's great lament he was involved in one of the worst NFL hits in history a hit that ended another player's career going in into week eleven of the nineteen eighty five season the giants were seven and three they were scheduled to play the Washington redskins on Monday night football he turned around and toss the ball back to as men they were executing flea flicker classic trick play intended to buy a wide receiver some time to make it where Lt was lining up size men's snapped the ball and immediately handed it off to fullback Joe Riggins as riggins began to run up the middle on November eighteenth it was the second meeting of the season the first resulted in a giants victory seventeen to three in the second quarter the scores was tied seven to seven Washington had the ball like every quarterback who faced Lt Joe thighs men paid close attention to Lt's addiction would soon take control of him coming up the Super Bowl is finally me he had suffered a compound fracture has everyone waited cameras captured a physically distraught Taylor has he waited for off of thighs men and started screaming for help motioning for doctors and trainers on the sideline thighs man's leg was unnaturally bent below the eighty five would be thirty six year old Joe Thighs Men's last game during the recovery he made the decision to retire in subsequent years Lawrence Taylor's sites and so are the repercussions for his crack addiction now back to the story he was able to keep it hidden from his teammates at that time it was up to individual teams to conduct their own internal drug tests is meant to be taken off of the field lt loved to hit hard but he never wanted to end another man's career November eighteenth nineteen hits in NFL history for Lawrence Taylor it signaled the descent into a deeper addiction to crack cocaine by this time Lt had moved lt claims that during huddles he would begin to think about his next fix instead of the game itself and now that Linda was settled in New Jersey moved from snorting cocaine to smoking it by rolling it up in his cigarettes and it was once he transitioned into smoking the drug that Lt betrayed organization if player tested positive for an illegal substance all the team would do was recommend he entered treatment at some point Lt had a hard time hiding his addiction from her it's unclear when Linda finally came to realize that Lt was a crack addict zone mantra the drug now took control of him he went from using less than a gram or a couple of lines over the course of a few weeks he's not refused to talk about the hit whenever it was replayed for an interview Lt made sure to never look at the monitors back in ninety he ignored parcells advice and devised a way to beat any future drug test in his books about the nineteen eighties giants with performance enhancing steroids not yet in the picture teams were mostly on the lookout for players abusing their bodies with recreational drugs within the was what led to his escalated use of crack that year the timing is hard to ignore as the nineteen eighty five season progressed to buying multiple announces every week on the rush from cocaine now eclipse the rush he felt from football in fact when she found out she did what she could to try and help her husband get control of it but lt didn't want help and so- Linda and Lt's aid into would sometimes be forced to scour New York crack dens to bring lt home but while he wasn't able to hide his addiction from Linda are in Teaneck and then take Manhattan by storm bouncing from studio fifty four to the underground to sweetwaters to the seller to rascals has been playing days it was a low point in Lt's thriving career but the nineteen eighty five season wasn't just the season with one of the most notable what he loved partying as Lt put it himself on a typical night I pick up one of my pals and start our adventure at a Bar Liam keep the test quiet he advised Lt to seek treatment in New York but left it at that however lt didn't think he had a problem our producer Jerry Barca says that running back butch wool folk man who stayed clean from both drugs and alcohol would supply lt with clean urine it up. Lt's vices that was just the tip of the iceberg Lt was also addicted to women but then again that had been true ever since not would return to his hotel room with multiple women on each arm while Linda was back in New Jersey raising the children lt was in some city having I am on Sundays in the fall he was game ready and he swore to never take drugs during the game itself the linebacker knew something bad had happened immediately he could hear the pop as if a gun had gone off right next to him he jumped

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I want to only to hold things touch things. I want to try them on. I mean, looking mostly clothing. I imagine I could get a book that way. But no, Don. Edible. What we're gonna be TI boys and girls in today's episode. Baker Mayfield is chilly. Big Ben throws one away in. The Jag was make a change in quarterback. But we begin today with what might be the obituary for this year's Green Bay Packers. They lost last night. Minnesota twenty four to seventeen and the Packers are now four six one. Aaron Rogers says the only way the Packers can make the playoffs is the sweep their last five games. We'll Bahn you have hated the Cheeseheads your entire life. Are you counting the Packers out? Oh, hey, Bart star. Should I count him out? I would hate hated Brett farve. Should I count him out? I don't hate I love and Rogers. No, I'm not gonna count him out because they know they can win every game. But the every game and the reason why I am standing over them. And I mean Sistine they'd take a standing eight because they got the bears Soldier Field a few weeks. That's right. And they go lose you'd never hear me say that. So then you got to say about an nose Packers. We're going to beat there. But. L-? So then you you're going down. You are you can make a wildcard now. Eight seven we'll they can't eight seven win. Now. They can't look there are three quarterbacks out there right now that you don't count out Aaron Rodgers drew Brees, Tom never count them. That's right here their next five games. So let's go through these. And I'll get to act Chicago, right? Okay. There's Arizona win game w Atlanta will both at home at Chicago going down jets winnable game, Detroit at home, the entire, you know, the win the whole cities in the winning percentage of those five teams as thirty to thirty eight percent winning. But the reason I don't count them out is not the Chicago thing because I think that they can win that they're not gonna win. It's I've watched Carolina lose a lot of games. I've watched Philadelphia lose a lot of games at the moment. The Washington Redskins are ahead of Green Bay. And I don't think that they are particularly good team. So I don't yet count them out with you do know don't take your. Rogers. But if you say they're going down seven one doesn't get the play my note doesn't might seem to talking about non grant skins and the Cowboys. Teen might eight nine and seven. That's right. So last night was hard from not gonna wanted to root for the Packers to beat the Vikings. Vikings are the close city I could not bring myself and I put some out Packers. I couldn't do. That's a big game. A lot of eyeballs was familiar cousins who I've been critical of three touchdown pass. No picks one quarterback. I think was him this week, and we're going to get to him in a little bit. We a complete flip flop taking place in the NFC. Carolina was up but is now choking it season away. And most of the Pacific northwest was pointing a finger of p Carol for this manliness Seahawks. But now Seattle wild card race the Seahawks. Mainly Russell Wilson. Shattered Carolina's ten game home winning streak Caruana wish it fine efforts from Cam Newton cleanly shaven he is now and Christian McCaffrey. Who said a franchise record for yards from scrimmage and now the Panthers of lost three straight tone. Who's a bigger story here, Seattle or Carolina, I can take either side of this. Me personally, I'm going to take the Carolinas side because it wasn't that long ago when they were six into that we actually had a topic on this show, which went like, this are we own value Carolina with the saints and the Rams apparently not because not only they lost three one of them. They're code giveaway Detroit gave away for two point twice. Just. So that was that was terrible. They have fallen down. You can go ahead and make a case. That's fine. Peak care, the whole Pacific northwest was giving them the finger the middle finger. Yeah, they weren't pointing index finger they wanted they were angry at him. He he seemed to be dismantling all the Super Bowl certainly disease which Sherman is up in San Francisco. Not in Seattle down in Seattle. So Tony, and Russell Wilson was seemed to be made like, oh, you just a management puppy? That's all you are. You can't really play. Russell Wilson is playing his butt off. He's in that. Second level of guys underneath drew Brees who could be considered for MVP at least of a conference. They've been good Tony. And we just we did not see this coming. Nobody would be considered an MVP of a conference of drew Brees sit under goes. I went the last five games of the Packers. Let me give you last five for Carolina. Okay. At tampa. Bay's win w at Cleveland. I don't know right now. I don't know New Orleans at home. No, Atlanta at home, and then and New Orleans, they are they have all these games on the road. They are one in four at the moment on the road, and they could get to nine and seven, but unlike you, I don't think Kevin gets him. I don't what somebody who's finishes. Ninety seven tiebreakers is going to say the Denver Broncos survived at home yesterday against the Pittsburgh Steelers. When Ben Rothlisberger threw a terrible interception in the end zone with one zero three to play. The Steelers had come into this game with a six game winning streak and had moved over the patriots in the playoff picture. So we'll should we consider this a major upset or the Broncos sneaky good not really either. Pittsburgh won six of the row. You don't win just ten in a row every year. Okay. I mean, New Orleans is sort of on that path. No, they were gonna lose a game gonna lose another game. They're not gonna win them. All so Pittsburgh had a tough there hall of fame quarterback. Ben Rothlisberger new. I love them hits game yesterday. Then last pick. I still think they can they're gonna win the game. There will they show. It should've wanna get their first goal. Rocco's Tony they played three hockey teams in a row. That's charger Steelers. They do rookie running back little Lindsay who's a beats. But after getting crushed by the jets. There was no reason to believe in Denver. They wasn't. So I don't know about sneaky good. They wanna game at home. They should've won. And Pittsburgh little off. I'm going to go to two things. The first thing is Ben Roethlisberger and the Pittsburgh Steelers team that you never doubt. We'll get into the playoffs because they always get into the playoffs. His five picks in the last two games should've had six they should've lost Jacksonville. And they lose to Denver. So right today. I'm not buying stock in that team right today. And then I'm gonna tell people about a conversation that you, and I had last night and unsolicited conversation in which I said to you, why do people constantly disparage case keenum, I think case, Kennedy wise, a professional tell you that you, and I you and I think this is insane. Went back a year ago 'cause the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings had Neri a good word to say about a quarterback got him to the injured. The Super Bowl. So I this is another reason to hate Minnesota. If Minnesota wants Kirk cousins, I'm okay with that he better. He's keen upgrade for great face. Keenum is between ten and twenty as a starter this league. Yeah. He's a professional quarterback green. And they are a pretty good good. They're pretty good team. I could see them getting into the playoffs, but not at nine and seven no well again at nine and seven, well, we'll see you also said everybody was gonna lose a game in Cali time. And they don't let me know Alabama Clemson lose, by the way noted then may lose this week. And we'll see if they don't get the we'll say get chesty. Now two teams that don't really deserve talked about all that much. Bengals Brown's had a subplot yesterday. That deserves being talked about the Browns beat the Bengals. And it looked like a nice moment and live time would've Brown's DB. Made an interception on the sideline handed the ball to his former coach hue Jackson now bingles assistant. Hey, you go coach game ball later. We find out to Mary Randall was essentially mocking Jackson and his Baker Mayfield said after a half hearted handshake, quote left. Cleveland goes down to Cincinnati asking us to play for him. And then he goes to a different team. We played twice a year. Close quote, Tony. What do you think of the Browns players now resenting, Hugh Jackson? So I don't think you have justification to resent the fact that he took a job that was offered him in Cincinnati. He got fired in Cleveland, Cleveland said go away. So whatever he wants to do is fine after that. But in terms of Baker Mayfield, I will say this in the three games that you Jackson and Todd Haley are not involved in Baker Mayfield. Do I think it's gonna be real good has nine touchdowns and one interception. He's much better there too. In one in here is a quote from Mayfield. We have people we believe in calling plays now, and that is a shot at Jackson, and there's no way to look at it. It's okay. But I don't wanna hear this. He goes down at this show. Shut up. No, you can do players. I want to say to anybody with a microphone or opinion pet. It's a business. You guys gotta understand your business wouldn't be their coach got fire any winter place. Where point so Baker Mayfield and to Marius Rando get off the stage the wrong. There was an interesting report bar fringe Ason lockenfora CBS sports the other day that if Marvin Lewis would go somewhere else and by go somewhere else. I mean became Cleveland if you can that the Cincinnati brain trust would consider hiring. You Jackson move. They hire people. They know worked for this three thirty six along in Cleveland know, why Brown you covered the kid. What does Cincinnati due to that? Well, you know, Greg Williams the second g stands for genius. He's two in one surpri now, they wanna wanna hit your wagon to the Cleveland Browns. I just yet. Not just you. Or to this team? Jaguars continue to spin right down the bulletin. They lost in buffalo yesterday after their star running back Leonard fournette was thrown out for fighting this morning, they fired their offense coordinator in this afternoon. Current head coach Doug Marrone announce it Cody Kessler would start a quarterback instead of franchise quarterback. Blake Bortles will solve the Jaguars problem. No. You know, what this is what I'm going to say. Now, it's completely contradictory. I like Doug Marrone every public utterance wherever he's whenever you see him honest. I like Doug Miro seems honest. I think they are the dumbest team going in any sport in America. Just a big S for stupid on their heads. They do more stupid stuff every they gotta get in the fights. They gotta run their mouths, and magazines and things something stupid about it. They are team stupid. They major in stupid. And so how can we placing the quarterback alone fix all of that? I don't I don't really care of Cody Kessler is bad because he's a backup quarterback. Is the starter is eight in the league's backup quarterback. Blake. Bortles isn't good. No. He's the overall number three picking the draft. They get Mike. They gave him a fifty four million dollar extension. Which means we like, we see we like what we see. And he's I would just say he's not good. If I were them. I'd be looking at getting Joe flacco or ally Manfred getting. No line netting. Ally. Handing aligning. Schol in nitty, don't hitting alone. I house in it. And they watch the chart jazz about that. Right. He linemen who I would vote for the hall of fame, unlike Jerry Rice, and I would I may stop Joe flacco once again, do you think that the quarterback position seeing what you see fighting? Not all of how they're going to get better. They're worse on defense. They're worse on offense. There was a period of time. I thought they'd been Super Bowl this year. And they blasted Sadie. After week going three. Can't win with stupid. Let's take a break coming up. Lamar Jackson is to those starter. So should the ravens still go back to Joe? You got traded to Jacksonville and after beating down Nishigaki, Ohio State of a better case of making the playoff then old glaucoma, by the way, do you know any out for the whole? Now, I didn't any so Cincinnati. That's you can't predict it. They wanna five oh now really with the backup. They might. He was he started out. Very well. My name is Lauren. 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I'm talking about play both guys, and you could really confound people you against that. It's not that I'm against that. I don't think that that's the proper way to go. I like Joe flacco who's got a great playoff record. And was the MVP of Super Bowl. I think he's done. Lamar Jackson is he's but you don't think Eli Manning's die think. He's done there. I think he'd be great in Jacksonville. Lamar Jackson is the way that John Harbaugh saves his job if Lamar Jackson gets him any if the mar- Jackson gets into the playoffs. They can't possibly get rid of both of them get him into because it was accomplished as my you'll have the defense along with the Steelers to Tom Brady and amount of content. It's complicated. Play two guys. Had a stand on stand up quarterback in a run to still understand the game to you know. I don't Philip rivers time the consecutive completions record big deal little deal. No deal at all. It's a little deal. It's nice that he's in the record books with something. Like that. Now, here's what is interesting to me. And you and I have talked about this. He is in the draft class with Ben Rothlisberger in ally. Manning and both of them will probably go to the hall of fame. Philip rivers playing fewer games has a higher. Completion percentage has more touchdowns and fewer interceptions. But he's never won in the playoffs. And they've got to rings z. That's a whole discussion. We can have later on Philip rivers who would be in the top five. Maybe the top three from VP for me. He's again he too was behind drew Brees in the everyone is behind. Everybody's behind him. Tony this is a big deal because Philip rivers went Bill Walton. I mean, he did something that you just that was that was Phil Simms in there. Game SIMS what twenty two twenty four. Okay. So this is a major thing really sandy role in a little not lost a game. They shouldn't have lost the twenty charges. You don't trust trust that team? He may make a fool out of hand the proof better case to make the playoffs. Oklahoma or Ojo state, Tony is entirely relevant because it's going to depend on whether Georgia beats Alabama Georgia beats Alabama it game started for Easter this Saturday Georgia's in and it'll be order, and I think it should be Clemson at that point Clinton Notre Dame, Georgia Alabama, those four should be in Ohio State, kicking off at eight PM eastern time would be out and therefore. But if Alabama wins game, we're talking Oklahoma, Ohio State. I think I might go with Oklahoma or else they got punched in the mouth at Purdue. I mean, Oklahoma lost a game to Texas arrival. It's not equal. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There has been no game this year as the SEIs ity one and almost as supposedly one as the way the Ohio State University. Shredded Michelle true with the nut with that. They were the number three team in the country with the number one defense in the country and the other team got over sixty points on him. Oklahoma doesn't have a win like that. Nobody has win like that. The only win comparable is Alabama shutting out LS they were number. Tony you the committee. They liked to look at losses and assess you don't loss areas of Oklahoma and Ohio is not without win. My that's the number one win every year on these poll things to tiger. And Phil you were crazy to pay for watched it live up to their own. Hype? As the question live almost shot of it. It was a bad broadcast on the few occasions that tiger and Phil were actually talking to each other. Because they don't do that the people in the booth were talking over them, and he couldn't hear tiger and fill. It was bad golf. These guys are plus six players, and they didn't pot wasn't any good. All right. What they should have done is taken Charles Barkley out of that dopey set he was on and had him walk. The course with them and chat track them up all the way around trying to everything that I've said about how bad it was. I loved every second of it. I would watch it again ten times loved it. I watched the starting your fourteen and they up C seventeen. You got the only shot. They gave it to the more puts than you and me on Columbia on Saturday afternoon in the summer, put it out give me some competition. Say Charles is good new you like anything else. No choice was underutilized. He should have been walking. The course with them. He been great enough. But he was the first guy to say golf is terrible. Still to come round the right coach, North Carolina. Plus, the two words Tony loves the most. Butler. Him in Minnesota. When is he going to have raided from Minnesota shot who got more this year or anybody? I have no, you know, those blink motion activated security cameras, you hoped would go on sale. 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And Steelers on this day eleven years ago, Pittsburgh hosted Miami the Monday night game and the newly re son at Heinz field after lightning delay the two teams slog through a quagmire scoreless for fifty nine and a half minutes until the Steelers managed a field goal in the final seconds for three win. I did that game. I remember after a punt stuck dead in the ground on its end saying to Rico jaws, I guess they gotta play lift clean and place on this line. Over the booth pretty well was golfer to Rico's a golfer. That's the turn. Threatful absolutely dreadful happy trails cliff Kingsbury, Larry fedora, Kingsbury was fired by Texas Tech after going five and seven this year and sixteen and twenty one over the last three years the door was fired by North Carolina after going to nine this year and five eighteen last two years fedora. No longer has to waste time coaching. He can go straight to the gym and lift interestingly Carolina Brown. Wow. 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REShow: Tony Boselli. Hour 1 (01-24-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Tony Boselli. Hour 1 (01-24-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one sports net reduction available on Apple podcast and podcast one. It's the greatest time of the year. You're in sports. Nfl College football MLB NBA and NHL. What else can a sports fan as for? All the action you want is every day at fun place and one place only online dot. AG sign up today for a free account at online DOT AG. Use Promo Code podcast. One for your fifty percent or not welcome. Bonus don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on all this incredible Actionaid Bet online dot. Ag That's Bet online dot ag your online sportsbook experts. Okay welcome to this edition of the rich Eisen in show. It's our last day in Los Angeles studios for this month before we head off to the Super Bowl then we'll be back. That's the way it goes for the next week. Plus heading off to Miami next week year our guest list. We will reveal it by the end of this show and what's going to be great Also also on this program Paul Rudd will be on this show. He and Eric Stonestreet and Rob Riggle and Keck ner Jason us. They are the I. Guess the core five if you will for the big slick charity tournament that we talk about here all the time because they represent the heart of Kansas City and and the heart of Kansas City is beating strong as ever thanks to the chiefs and I figured before we head off to Miami. Let's talk to a diehard chief's Fan and give you the idea of what it's been like for fifty years. Look the forty niners have five in the case the chiefs have one. It's been fifty years since they put that one of the case they haven't had an opportunity to put another one in the case so Paul Rod was I guess was the guy who beat the drum before the game and they have a celebrity. do or a big fan do it in front of Arrowhead beating the drum and then they after taking one on the Chin started beating the titans like a drum so Paul Rudd is going to be on this show to help set the week up. Tony Boselli is going to be first up up pro football hall of Famer possibility. He's one of the final fifteen. A third of the final fifteen are going to comprise the final quarter of the EH centennial. Class of twenty twenty twenty individuals going in fifteen of already been named five more to go. There's fifteen finalists. That list will be called down a five five zero possible. Tony Boselli is going to be one of them and he will be joining us. I up because he is part of Westwood One's coverage of the National Football League and I I just love talking to him. Love Talking Ball and it will be this one of the sideline reporters for Westwood One's coverage of Super Bowl fifty four be great to chat with with him also right in the Middle Nice If you will intermezzo pallet cleanser the merry Intermezzo Intermezzo. Bob Henry will be here on this program tons of Tons and tons millions of people have enjoyed Bob's work on instagram and I met Bob on the set of billions. We did The mcphee dollar bill fight together in that episode billions last year Got To meet Bob. I've got to no bomb. At the time I was telling me. Hey I got this podcast coming out. It's now a highly successful podcast ripper Magoo's with Bob Murray and I'm pleased to say Bob posted on instagram. The guest list today Bacilli Bob Henri Paul Rudd. He reposted it on his instagram stories. Oris which means he wasn't too zapped to use his phrase last night as he was putting on his stories he was getting zapped with his buddies. so He's is up. He's on his way. We're pleased to know that. They're in the plan hockey video game right now to know good to know. It's always interesting with Bob and we've got We've got a lot of fun stuff for for him when he shows up on this program live in our number two without a net. So that's our show eight four four zero four rich number doll manning just finished his farewell press conference and you know what I honestly didn't see this just one common that after sixteen years of just being as consistent as ever. He stepped to the podium and said Ben mcadoo was a total turn. Who has no idea what's gone? All those years of Coughlin Barking at him. He got sick and tired of it. I mean just aired all of its grow hold on. I'm being told it was the exact opposite and that was first class. B entire way roles first class the entire way and total New York giant first class all the way farewell where they brought everybody back pretty pretty much. I mean it was a great class photo Phil Simms. Was There Daniel Jones was there Strahan. was there the Captain Harry Carson. Was There Amani toomer. was there just talk just people that I'm just noticing. PLAXICO was on the podium with is at tyree. That's in the front row right there. It looks like looks like Oh yeah they were all there. Shaun O'Hara beaming up at the podium and the two trophies that he brought with him and He was he lamenting. You spoke so eloquently and so wonderfully and then took questions. Russians here is the way that Eli Manning finished up his farewell press conference just wonderful. I figured I'd like to share it with you. It's rare to have the privilege of playing an entire hire career with one organization. I'm proud to be one of the few but even more so that it was as a giant. It's been an honor to be a part of this family family. And I hope that I've represented organization in the way that you want me to from my first day to my last for most of my life people have called. Call me easy believe me. There's nothing easy about today. Wellington Mara always said once a giant always giant for me. It's only giant. Thank you so much good stuff out of law right there. I will just again. I'll just hit it right here. Your Once again go to our youtube page go to our APP go to our twitter feed. I said yesterday I think Eli. Manning is a hall of Famer and I will will flat out believe it to I believe he gets into the pro football hall of fame and look you know when it all comes down to it. I understand and that when somebody's regular season body of work could be described with the word consistent distant he was consistent he nailed it for two hundred and ten consecutive starts. He answered the bell which is amazing. Just amazing two hundred and ten consecutive starts you mean. We're looking at the The the starting quarterbacks in the Super Bowl right there young bucks. They're they're young kids. Young men Mahomes hasn't been been able to start every game yet. On a quarterback sneak is his knee turns kneecap turned sideways. Jimmy G. doesn't go out of bounds on time. His first full year starting blows NIA alliances. The Belt Two hundred ten consecutive starts until until you know is head coach. Sadam for Gino Smith. That's it you could say. He was a model of consistency off the field model of consistency with the media with his teammates with the organization a model model of consistency doesn't get you into the pro football hall of fame. Numbers do and significant numbers do and ally the conversation involving him will always be surrounding. Yeah but without those two rings. What else can you talk about other than consistency? Yeah Buddy has the two rings and the issue is the guy was eight and four in his playoff career. Eight and four one two thirds words of his playoff games. The two Super Bowl seasons are when he won all of his games four and one year four in another. You're the other years on one four one and done all the other all the other years and to only make the playoffs. Six out of sixteen years. It's kind of a strike to well. I mean unfortunately. Unfortunately it's a team game and not everybody can have the surrounding cast as good as others. I guess not his fault completely. So this is the conundrum but when the chips were on the line for for two years for two of those playoff seasons for two of those six playoff seasons nobody was better. I mean you you can't you. He was better than Brady. And two of those postseasons when Brady was unbeatable and he wasn't better screening the excuse me the the giants were better than the tree. Excuse me who who who hoisted the trophy. The giants he was better than Brady one of those games he was. Manning was not not better than Tom Brady and either of those games. The giants defense was better than the Patriots offense. All I know is he's got to in the case when Brady didn't brady even made. I mentioned that in a nice tongue in cheek moment on twitter today he wanted games. He won the Games and I understand. You could sit here and say it wasn't wasn't him and you're one of the you've been taking that opposing one of you. I'm just pointing out that. The defense held the Patriots than half their average points. The per game in the Super Bowl right and to win the Super Bowl this year. San Francisco will probably need that same thing. But if Jimmy J. you're not going to say Garoppolo Rappalo beat the chiefs. Romy could look Chris because beat you twice. He beat your team. Yeah twice and same same way in the same way that you putting out those are not directly on. Eli Manning like Justin Tuck. Michael Strahan had a lot to do with right and and and you know also had a lot to do with Brady being a super bowl champion one year was Malcolm Butler stepping in front of an interception and Adam. It's a difference into tween. Brady's legacy being you know instead of being six three five and four is not too shabby exactly well. You know what I'm saying like it's it's a team game all right. Yes I understand. But illegal had three touchdown pass. I get it in the same way. You call me out or attempted a two for saying that I only care about Geeder not being undefeated I mean going into your giving these super bowl wins one hundred percent to ally manning in the same in the same same way that you were giving me grief you care about this more because it's your team that didn't win twice and Eli was Super Bowl. MVP twice and Eli has only behind Montana and Brady the the the most comeback game. Winning drive wins in the history of the. NFL playoffs four of them when the chips were down. The guy was terrific in two years. And I'm walking through your case to as to why people don't think he's a hall of Famer and I'm saying the number support for two of those years along with the model of consistency that he was for all those years. I don't believe he's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer but I say he wins in two years and I say he gets into the hall of fame. I might be wrong. I might be might be sitting around like year three year four year five ten years from now waiting on it. I don't think he will no. I don't think so either. I think he's in so then. Why are you arguing with me right now? Because I said he was better than Brady in those two games when he wasn't well as I mentioned he made to amazing one amazing throw and one incredibly lucky throw. That's why they won the Games and the defense right okay. I mean we're being honest. I know you're being honest. I'm being honest to that guy. In those those seasons the two thousand thousand eleven season where he made that throw as you pointed out for Manningham when everybody thought again that the defense did it and oh seven. He's the one who did it in two thousand eleven. That third man Kam is is one of the greatest thrills in super bowl. History had nine touchdowns and one interception in two thousand eleven and invite season for the playoffs. His twelve hundred nineteen yards. Still the most in a single postseason by anybody mahomes as a chance to get that I think he threw twelve hundred nineteen yards in those four playoff games in two thousand and eleven. When Warner FLACCO? Tom Brady twice. What is mahomes have so far? Well we can check on that can't we. I'll check for now. Yeah Tony is going to be joining us. I up here on the rich Eisen show than Bob Mentoring. And then Paul Rudd. That's how it rolling here on a wild show when we come back we'll get BRACKMAN's Information and about mahomes because I think mahomes can get them with a big time game. And that's what I'm thinking he's going to have and the Super Bowl and I don't know I might be just to head over heels the way that he's played and I've been accused of that now he would have to throw for almost six hundred yards pretty. Yeah that's right. He's only only played two games here. WHO which I mean? I'm not ruling out mahomes throwing for six hundred dollars for six hundred in the Super Bowl and four four zero four rich number. Dial you're on this edition of the rich Eisen show. Don't go anywhere back with Tony. Boselli in a moment with Brian Deegan here. I'm excited to bring you our podcast. The DEGAN that will be every every Wednesday on podcast one and apple podcast. We'll be covering many subjects such as racing family. How we stay together? How he thrive? There's a family so I think it's exciting. We're going to cover all those subjects and many more you guys check out our new. PODCAST begins airing every Wednesday on podcast one and on Apple podcasts. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show. We have a poll question over there Chris. And now you're you're the honest too busy mischaracterizing the stat line. Allow Manning's too. You're too busy busy wallowing in Super Bowl too busy in misery. You don't have a poll question for now. We're doing a lot of things this morning. We didn't get to it. Okay very good. So we'll we'll do on though we'll have one okay very after Tony the center after Tony Bersell very good. Let's turn to the To the phone line right now to our guest line a man who's going to be for the fourth straight year sideline reporter for the Super Bowl on Westwood one's radio coverage of it coast to coast. He is none other than Tony. Boselli how are you sir. I'm good the rich how you doing. I'm doing great Tony. How do you see this one role in a week from Sunday? What do you got for me here? Flip a coin. I'll pick got San Francisco but details about their. Can't that that no idea. I mean this is going to be a great game. It is so close. You got the Great Defensive Line of the forty niners and if they can affect tash homes we've seen when they you know kind of middle of the year remember the cheese off the line was beat up and they weren't healthy and offense production went down. Because you know you you get to. You could affect them and he's he's been barely human but If you get pressure on and you hit him it's GonNa Office down and the question is can the cheese. He's protect and hold up against that defense line. But by Nick Bosa who's just a beast and So it's GonNa be a lot of fun to watch and Kinda see how the thing goes and yet the track team for the chains running around up you know Scored a bunch of points and you have one of the best pass defenses in the NFL. Also I can't wait to watch it. Yeah I mean and Damien Williams come into the four getting healthy and then Having a focus Placed on the run thanks. His effectiveness might change things in you call the AFC championship game for Westwood. One A Cup last Sunday And it did seem like Kansas City. DECIDED WE'RE GONNA run the ball third quarter and that opened things up for the pass in the fourth to delay the hammered down wondering what you saw with your own two eyes on that front. Well I mean I think you're right. I mean I think the key that game rich was that last drive at the end of the half that twenty seven yard run by Mahomes with you know fifteen twenty seconds left you know Rashad Evans is spying homes in that play. You have the chance to tackle at the line of scrimmage probably hold them to a field goal all tied in that game that thing just changed everything it almost like all of a sudden. You have the titans panic because for whatever reason. The Guy Period carried him to that position only got three carries in the second half. That's Derrick Henry. And then you look at the chiefs and they start controlling the clock. The very thing the titans wanted to do they started. They were spreading out the titans. The titans were in coverage and trying to slow down. You know Kelsey and tyreek and the rest of that crew and all of a sudden you know Eric the enemy a and Andy Reid decided. Hey let's get naming Williams a little inside outside zone and they did a great job of you know short in that second half and putting points on the board and making it really difficult for the titans get comfortable and do what they wanted to do which is run. Do you think that that could be employed against the niners or the niners just too much of a different animal. Yeah I think so you think you can. I think you'd have to spread them out. I don't think you're gonNA choose aren't built to get into you. Know Twelve personnel and big people where they just gotTa run downhill on you. I mean they're they they set up the run with the pass game. And when you is the best I mean he's unbelievable and what he allows you to do If you're the chiefs 'cause he extends plays and makes his feet and you know as rocket right arm you get. Everyone spread out. You're worried about the speed as you start doubling you start playing own on your you know you're trying to keep everything in front of you next thing. You know you get a week box so you get six in the box instead of seven you got a man for man and then damning waiting for someone and I think that's what you'll see the Trident uh-huh Tony Boselli here on the rich Eisen show. What about the forty niners offensively We saw we saw Garoppolo only swing his arm eight times eight times and then where he moster did Most of the damage. What do you think about the niner's offense against against this chiefs defense which is going to be perhaps the least talked about Key for Super Bowl fifty four. Yeah I think you know go back to that division division round. When they were playing the Vikings Garoppolo pick and I think the number is? I think they got this right. It's not right in front of me but seventeen. He's only seventeen passes since he threw that pick. Yeah and you look at that second half. They ran the ball against the vikings then they come out and I thought they were going to be able to dominate the packers. You know. I don't think they're a great run defense. They haven't been all year. They've been pretty average and they did and so I love Kyle Shanahan approach because everyone tries to Pigeonhole is like your you know your zone skiing. You got your outside zone you know you like the naked bootlegs. You're GONNA do this. And he basically says. Listen I'M GONNA do whatever it takes to win. And he is one of the most creative run games in the NFL and they've won multiple ways. They've run they've won running the ball the one the best run teams in the NFL. Their physical front. They've invested in the offensive line. Just like they have in the defensive line but they have the ability also to open up. You look at that Saints Game. He was like what fifty to forty something crazy and they threw it all over the yard and Garoppolo was reason they Asia beat the saints late in the season so they have the versatility and I think that's due to the fact that college Shanahan's one of the most creative guys you have to. You have to often staffs Kyle Shanahan the forty niners Andy Reid Eric. bandity wore the jeans creative in what they do. It's different but they're just fascinating to watch so it's GonNa be a great match up. I think the team for the chief is going to be Chris Jones. He was a big difference in that AFC Championship game. He missed the division game because of the CAF Strangely had we. We didn't I think you're going to play in that game trying to based on the field you've got him on the field pre game but he came out play limited snaps when he was a big reason he started clogging up. He started playing more second quarter. Third quarter he you know. He was a forest hard for them to run the ball really difficult for the titans and he's one of the better defense tackles. Both in the run of the past led the intact so I think he's critical and how the how the forty niners handle him and so AH WE'RE ALL GONNA be fascinated by this forty niner defense chiefs offense and that's all the talk of going to vote but as you know in these Games and these super bowl games it's literally. It's the unknown player. It's like which secondary players going to step up in this case. I think it's going to be on the two sides of the ball. No one's talking about chief. If defense four hundred offense who can win that battle because we know the strengths but these two units going at it. I think who gets the upper edge is going to go a long way but turns the game why have the actual number after Garoppolo through that interception against Minnesota he has thrown the ball only fourteen times fourteen eighteen times fourteen. That's they ran it. They ran it. Twenty eight of their final thirty. Four non kneel down snaps in the game against Minnesota and then they did what they did against the packers and fifty eight football. It's amazing it's it really is but I guess when you've got the horses this is up front. I mean I imagine Longman must love it right boss love it. I love this team so number one. John Lynch is one of my good friends so it's called played against each other worked out in college and kind of going through into our procreate. I've known him forever. But I love your the defensive back and look at him and Kyle built his team. They've invested in a couple years before even John got there but they invest it. They have four first rounders they rotate through the defense align. They paid me for to pass rusher so they have the defense centerline. That can restaurants are in play the Ron and I think they have three or four. First Rounders on offense line. I mean this is where you win the game. I'm convinced I mean you have to have a quarterback. In the homes homes is top you know one two in Garoppolos in the upper echelon. I mean he's top ten quarterback twelve right around there. So you have to have that guy but after that rich. If you can't control the line of scrimmage you. I don't think I think it's hard to win in the team to get this year and a year out of the team can control the line of scrimmage and I love the Job Lynch in College College and said listen we're GONNA invest in the big guys and That's how we're GONNA win Football Games. And that's how they've done all year. Tony Boselli here on the rich Eisen show the most experienced individual when it comes to being in the playoffs and having been to the super bowl before even but just the one spot. It's Andy Reid. I mean twenty eight. POSTSEASON Games is the head coach. Shannahan ends just the first two this year but you know He is so wise beyond his years. I don't know if you saw the NFL films footage from the NFC championship game. Tony Money where Kyle play out. Where he goes up to the judge was it or was it? Just an official right there in front of him to basically say my my guys gonNA run a pattern. He's GonNa get held by any pointed out the exact player who's going to hold him and that did in fact unfold and he the whole was was called because it was obvious but he also gave the official a heads up. I've called this play. He's going to run this route and he's GonNa get held and I I saw that and and I'm like oh my gosh I mean what what A. What a remarkable asset that is fourteen Tony? Well I mean listen. He's he's been doing this since he's about came out of the womb right your dad days every training camps that everyone's part of us on the ball. Boy I mean that's one of the great coaches back to back super bowl champion with the Bronco Denver Broncos and so he's learned and he's been around it and he's started you know I love that you know everyone says oh nepotism and all this stuff well guys great coach and he started you know at the bottom and worked his way up and he's that's accessible places in he's grown as a coach. I think you know while this is his first experience as a headman In the playoffs and the Super Bowl. He's watched his dad and he's been around. He had the experience at Atlanta that devastating the way that game ended against the Patriots so he has experienced. Maybe as I I but being in the situation as a coordinator and being around his dad and I promised my guess is shocked. Not that he's he's he's bending his his dad's ear and picking his brain Ben in these games and it seen it and so I really wildly impressed with College Shannon. What he's doing and just organization of how they've really kind of built this thing and to me? It looks like it's built for long term success. Twenty Sally here on the rich Eisen show fans of the show are going to get a little sick of it by the end of next week. But I've kind of touched around the edges here and I. You know I might later on when Paul Rudd joins here as well since I know. He loves homes as does everybody in chiefs kingdom part of me me. Just deep down says no matter how good than honors are and they are so very good very good. That mahomes is just. You can't say the great equalizer closer. He has the ability to be a huge difference maker. In the same way that Andy Reed's clock management issues from all those years of poof disappeared any problem that they had had you saw the AFC champ game they totally blew that fake pont. I mean the whole world knew that something might be up and they totally fell for it. They took the banana and tailpipe. And then gave up a touchdown Damien Williams Damian Williams runs out of bounds when they get the ball and essentially and essentially gave the the titans a timeout that they've already used back. WHO's the guy that erases all that Patrick Mahomes who's the guy who scored at the beginning at the end of the first first half in you said was such a difference maker? It's Mahomes I talk me out of not getting too crazy about that. This is mahomes moment Tony I i. Can't I mean he covers great quarterbacks. Cover a lot of sins by everyone else. I mean they like just just blanket all these mistakes in all all these tough situations that the average team can't get out of great quarterbacks in the home is a great one and you go back to the year. He was drafted that she's she's for sitting at twenty seven. They have Alex Smith or a playoff team. And I give the whole front office in Andy Reid and everyone else so much. They traded a bunch to move up seventeen spots for a kid out of Texas Tech. That was on an average team that our people were talking about because they saw they were right because this is a kid who has the leadership ability. He has the charisma he has athletic. Ability has the big arm. He's smart listened to how his teammates as coaches talk about him He's remarkable and I can't talk you out of it. The only thing I will say is this. We've seen great offenses in super bowls before. GAW Go back back to one of the greatest offenses ever on the one of the greatest teams ever the eighteen in Oak Patriots and they looked mortal because of four guys because the four guys rush the passer for the New York. Giants were all over him all day and he never got comfortable never could set his feet and and it turned into a low scoring defensive game and I think I'm not saying it's going to happen but the forty niners are built that way they can pressure with four four. Robert Solid can play covered with seven in that three zone in fourth mahomes would be patient and hold the ball a little bit and if that rush can get there. I think if you could have a lower scoring game than we have been we expect Now the difference we see mahomes and Brady both great. Brady's you know what you don't have to talk doc. What he's done but mahomes can move and can't he notify? And can you equalize the rush. Because that's -bility in by Tom if he's able to do that and extend plays I think the chiefs win if that rush can get there. I think the forty niners one. Tony Boselli here in the rich Eisen show couple more minutes left you referred to that. Oh seven seven giants team. Their quarterback retired today. Do you think Eli Manning. Should be in the hall of fame. Tony boy you know. Trust me I I know this conversation in the final I know south one. There's great players and Manning was on it. Look at it. Allowed Manny one of the greatest postseason quarterbacks quarterbacks ever two time. MVP leading the two super bowls The detractors GONNA say yeah he's five hundred in the regular season Jan Argue that. Ah But if you look at the story of the NFL the great moments great players who played big and great moments and over a long period of time. Because he did it for sixteen years. I would say yes Ally Manning is a hall of Famer will one day while. I hope you hear your name this weekend in certainly it would be neat if it was with Lynch since you said you know for so long dowd. Incredible Man It'll be incredible as long as I hear my get a knock on the door. It'll be credible. But you're right you'd be it'd be a little bit something extra special because John's a good friend and someone has been rooting formed in Britain for for a long time so excited for the Super Bowl and what he's done with that team and I hope both. Let's get into the Hoffman. Metoo Tony and you've been great. I'd really enjoy listening to you on the radio. You get better and better every ear. It's a terrific listen and You know we'll definitely be knocking on your door and in short order hopefully next week sounds good rich and awesome and Miami in Miami. That's Tony Selling Westwood. One at Tony Boselli on twitter again. It used to be when we I started on. NFL Network we first started on an NFL network. OUR FIRST SUPER BOWL I I've said over and over and over here in here with if you'll bear with me. It was the two thousand three season in two thousand and four calendar Super Bowl in Houston the Patriots going for their second against the Carolina Panthers and the Patriots got their second. We were sitting there at had. Our our set position was in the Convention Center right in front of Radio row and the other side of our are set. Radio rose in front of US behind. Was the big Convention Hall Room. Where all the big press conferences for the week went and this is when they would be announcing you know who who the MVP was that this is pre honors? They would just have a press conference for that press conference for coach of the year. Press conference or this or that right right. They held a press conference for the announcement of the pro. Oh football hall of fame class and Elway and Barry Sanders got in and they they were surefire sure-fire so they sat in our green room and we had a camera in our green room and we shot. They shot them when they heard their names called. And you know to the credit of of everybody who is with NFL L. Network at the time our executive producer at the time. Eric Weinberg to their credit. Like you know this is TV. Show see the reaction and they would go into the room woman get called up there and whoever else got named who was in town potentially might be in town. got a phone call from the hall of fame Saint. Hey would you go to the convention engine center right now and it was a small room to a tiny little. What the green the Green Room? Right where they actually get a press conference with. Yeah so at any rate the next couple of years when they just decided to have I would. MC The press conference and they would show it live and try and turn it into a television show and we did that for a few years and players new. Okay now. This is the day that the press conference is going down and it's a TV show and so be in the area and they were Kinda circle the area literally in a car. Warren Moon's at one time he was driving around he was either going to go to the Convention Center. His name was called or head to the airport if not now. NFL Honors has the announcement and David Baker is kind of like publishers. Clearinghouse is the only way to actually spray. Br explain it for for for those who are unfamiliar where he the President and the hall of fame knocks on the door of all the finalists who are stationed in a hotel room. And they're all in town because there's a ceremony for the finalists that weekend. So they're all in their rooms. Yes and if the here and knock on the door they know it's David Baker they open it and their moment has arrived. And if there's no knock on the door I guess that's the way that one went in. It's a difficult thing but at least their families in the room to mollify. I'm wondering does the Hall of Wjm Call The hotel and say no room service no no housekeeping housekeeping could you. Could you imagine you're sitting in the room and like housekeeping. What if one of your family members shows up late and like no knocks on the door? Yeah excruciating like. Hey would you like turn down service certainly not from the hall of fame. I don't want to turn down service. I won't turn up service. I mean it's excruciating. Yeah Yeah and I don't I mean I don't envy mean obviously I have. We all have envy of players who have had such remarkable careers to say. Yes you you are a finalist for the pro football hall of him and you look at the list of finalists in. You're like okay. I would have no problem with that. One game okay. I have no problem with that guy gets me. I know you look at any of but if you're year on year three four five of being finalised what's your seven for Lynch and what a week and he can have he could hear. Knock on the door. Saturday and hoisted Lombardi trophy Sunday. Come on pretty perfect like in a way it would make the six previous years new worth it when even think about right yeah well Harry. Carson Carson doesn't think that any more dramatic Harry Carson told the Paul of fame after the dyslexia after years of being rejected ten twelve years. Don't consider me anymore. I don't WanNa go through this anymore anymore. And the year. He finally got in his call from the hall. went to voicemail because he was he flew to Hawaii saying screw it. I'm going to Hawaii. I got to the got to baggage claim turns his phone. He told me like you have like ninety eight messages. Like what okay he got in the hall you turn around. He went back and I I saw like two years ago and I told him. Honor if you've noticed but you've been in the hall of fame now longer than you waited to get in. And he stopped he goes. Oh I didn't notice noticed that when you're in Erin you are in. It's over eight. Four four two four rich number to dial your phone calls and the All all star game starters have been named for Twenty All star game in In Chicago Illinois writes GonNa be in the home of the bowl teams. Group of starters is considerably better than the other. I mean in terms of conference. But they're gonNA mix them up. They are they are all right. I want you to play. It's Lebron who gets first choice. Is it Lebron. 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Did you see Lamar flinging it from half from midfield half headquarters mooch calls it hit and hit the bar mood with a football at during pro bowl practice yesterday. Amazing I caught it this morning. I did it's so great. What's on your mind I just wanted to talk to you about this super bowl coming up Before anything else. I'd like to thank you for the tickets. I'm actually coming Monday. Showdown Josh just so you know this just so you know this. We have not one but two greeters to Miami for us not one but two hour one Michael Irvin in our three warrants APP. Those figure. Let's get. Let's get the hurricanes to it. Training actually grew up a Dallas Fan. Michael Irvin's actually one of my heroes. Go for it and work on a poll question but we'll After walking I've been watching the niners since the beginning of the season and Kansas City has been in my go-to players my fantasy league. But I do think the niners defense is as good as the. Kansas City's offense and vice versa. 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DC by seventeen hold on a second bigger bigger bigger exaggeration. Bigger Exaggeration Morris calling these niners the eighty five bears. Yes or me saying the mahomes twenty seven yard run at the end of the first half of the NFC champ game one of the greatest friends in the history of the NFL. One hundred Ask 'cause my brother-in-law talk texting me. Giving voice on my texts taught my text in the same way that the twitter account was lighting up. Ray showing me about exaggerating where my brother-in-law asking me what was bigger Panels the advent of penicillin or Mahomes Normandy or mahomes which is one of our clubhouse clubhouse leaders for a fantasy football team for the fall which is a bigger exaggeration. Coin bears or me saying that about the homes is run which command earlier in this hour. Who called the game on Westwood One? Tony Boselli sat changed. The entire tenor of the game had mahomes not gain the edge and running on an in. 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Jalen Ramsey, Darius Leonard, Browns talk with Mary Kay Cabot & remembering Don Banks

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

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Jalen Ramsey, Darius Leonard, Browns talk with Mary Kay Cabot & remembering Don Banks

"Welcome to the peter king podcast ask training camp road addition. I've been on the road all week actually been on the road bordering two weeks right now going to a bunch of camps meeting a bunch of people and seeing how the two thousand nineteen season is shaping up this week i was in westfield indiana at the colts training training facility and caught up having extended conversation with darius leonard the defending defensive rookie of the year in the n._f._l. Really really interesting kid. I enjoyed that you will too and also in jacksonville met up with jalen ramsey. The self proclaimed blamed and he'll tell you if you haven't heard it yet. He's the best cornerback in football. You'll hear him say that right. On this podcast i also will do my segment five minutes with a writer from brown's camp. We'll talk to mary kay cabinet of the cleveland plain dealer earlier so before we get started. I think a lot of you probably understand who followed me over the years who know me and who've read me know that probably my closest friend in the sports. Writing business was done banks. I worked with them for sixteen ecksteen years at sports illustrated and sl dot com and don never woke up after he went to bed saturday night. He was was in a hotel a courtyard mary out of all places in canton ohio and was in a hotel on sunday morning and just just never woke up. They don't know how he died. Why he died he was a healthy guy. He was a runner <hes> so it's <hes> a bitter pill the swallow especially especially for a guy in his mid fifties who just recently after being laid off from sports illustrated three years ago <hes> just recently found another gig and started it last thursday. I'd gig unfortunately only lasted three days and he worked for the las vegas. Let's review journal and you've probably seen if you're on social media an outpouring of emotion about don banks thanks because he truly was truly was just a very very good human being and i want to tell you just one story. I wrote about him in the top of my column this week football morning in america n._b._c. sports dot com also profootballtalk dot com but i want to tell you one story about don. He was basically is one of these guys who's always thinking of other people really above of himself. He did that very often. He loved birthdays. He absolutely loved birthdays. When i turned fifty <hes> <hes> don not only arranged to get me a red sox jersey because we're both red sox. Followers not not only arranged to get me a red sox jersey of mike tim lynn who at the time was number fifty that number now is mukhi beds is number but at at the time ten years ago mike tim lynn a relief pitcher wore number fifty so we not only got me a jersey fifty commemorating my birthday but he also went to fenway park and he told mike tomlin what the story was so mike. Tim lamb wrote an autograph. Uh on the back of the jersey on the number that said from one to another happy birthday mike tomlin and so don was so delighted with that he was so excited about it and truly of all the gifts on my fiftieth fiftieth birthday. That's really the one i remember the most. It's hilarious you know a couple of years ago. He got me a mint condition nineteen nineteen fifty seven because that's a year of my birth a mint condition nineteen fifty seven ted williams baseball card and that's just the the kind of guy he was he was he was thoughtful. A always asked about your life and that's one of the reasons why you're seeing this outpouring of of emotion on the death of don banks professionally. He was the most down the middle guy i i have ever met in this business. You know he was open to ever hearing every side of a story and then he'd make a decision he did not have sacred herd cows. He'd punch roger goodell the knows one week in a column and then you know he would praise them for for something when at at the time when it wasn't really very popular to praise him in the media so good friend of mine is i record this just i just got into a courtyard in ross fford ohio on the way from packers camp to brown's camp. It's overnight on monday so wake up tuesday morning. Drive the rest of the drive to cleveland watch the browns continue the training camp tour but quite honestly there will be a piece of me missing and the piece of missing is named on banks and now my conversation conversation with two thousand eighteen n._f._l. Defensive rookie of the year darius leonard the linebacker the indianapolis colts dairies were here at training camp. Does anybody like training camp. I mean really when you think about it. It's gotta be about ninety. I five heat index today and you come out here in the middle of an indiana summer. It's like everyday is the same. Do you remotely like training camp physically no but <hes> for the team karate ship <hes> definitely i definitely enjoy that <hes> affirmed down south so this is nothing compared to anything in south south carolina or florida while trade. I always wonder we just we've on our training camp. We just did the south. We did the three florida teams. We did the saints the falcons. We did the panthers every day. The heat index was over ninety so i said to calais campbell. I said i mean this is just kind of miserable. Isn't it and he goes. It's football every summer. It's been the same for for me. He played in arizona obviously in now in jacksonville. What about you. Is it just an average average day a day like today. Oh yes especially <hes> come for south. Carolina cyclone estate somalis was pricing in the heat so then working on a form all day okay so the heat is nothing and then you come here just to have fun playing the game of football you don't. You don't even feel a hot it is. I want to ask you a little bit about your background. It's it's a fairly amazing story. You have one brother who was killed as i understand it outside a bar in south carolina. You have two other brothers who were are incarcerated. How did you not become a statistic. I'm seeing seeing both sides of the good lifestyle in a bad lifestyle. So how sad my mom was when <hes> both brothers incarcerated brother got cute also how much pain when your brother got killed seventeen. He's eighteen and what happened. Oh just i guess rump laser all time. I guess so you know it sucks especially me and him. Growing up in the same room been <hes> <hes> one year apart does my best friend saudi definitely definitely sucks but seeing my mom go through all that and then see how happy my mom's was win. My brother made it to the n._f._l. And i knew right then where i wanted to make sure their mama everything she deserved animation. She was happy and make sure that she had to fill their painting more. I want to ask you a little bit about south carolina's state because i know harry carson pretty well and you know until now and i guess still he's the legendary south carolina state linebacker. Did you know harry carson when you were there did you have you gotten to know home. Since <hes> <hes> i knew of them knew how credible mbeki was at south carolina state. I knew he was in the n._f._l. Of fame always talk about history of south carolina state but we actually we never met until at thermo my senior season and we kinda just start talking from their invited me to a lot is <hes> event so so we kinda keep that ball prague on just just try to pass down so what's the what's the nickname board pride. Yeah i mean i mean i gotta stay the mascot his board doll so we know we keep that together. Yeah what it did did he was he at all an advisor zero to you is he told janney thing that that you have kind of held close and you felt was important now me i mean he's a competitor. He's about like me always tell me that was the best fifty three all the best linebacker so we always talk tries to each other just kind of saying who had a better number that south carolina state or who's going to be the best fifty three so we always keep it a competition going but you you were. You're number fifty three but it's not because of harry carson what what why did you choose fifty-three my brother the who <hes> made to the n._f._l. As i in a phone number was fifty three and i i looked up till merge since i was a little boy and i always wanted to be like them in once i made to the n._f._l. Phil knew that it was because he is hard working teaching me that nothing would be handed to me so i just wanted to show them that much. I appreciate it oh man and wanted to play for when you were preparing for the draft. Did you have much of an idea who might pick you not at all. I mean i thought either dollars tampa bay or pittsburgh and next thing you knew and i got the call look at live a phone and say indianapolis mahaffey a happy so let's get it. I found it very interesting in doing a little bit of research for this that you were a highly criticized sized draft choice in bleacher report. They said you were one of the worst picks in the draft and i've heard that you have hung onto that okay. So what what what did you do with those words. What did you do with that story. Oh my australia <hes> and i'll put it put it on phone so every day before practice or is it on a screen of your phone it was one point and then i got tired of looking at it so i'd change it back to <hes> to my wife so <hes> every where every game i look at it and he just gave me extra motivation to go out and prove that i belong failed i can play. It was funny talking to chris ballard about you. The general manager the colts one of the things he told me was that you know at the senior bowl he would watch you practice and then the colts did an interview with you and they thought man these guys like too good to be true. He's really really good. What are we seeing that other. People aren't seeing everybody's he's talking about a maybe a fourth round pick or whatever and he said so we picked him in the second round and he said right away i got to texts from people people around the league and they're saying wow he picked that guy kinda high and so he just said i just kept thinking to myself man i. I don't think i'm wrong a- and so did you sort of feel that when you were picked and what did that feel like talking about how people were saying. There was a bad period. Yeah yes without a doubt so i mean mm-hmm was once i got pig. I mean that was i mean one of the best days of my life so i was happy but you know that once you get posted you go see everybody. Everybody have a chance to comment so always look at comments. I mean that's something that drives me because i want to see how many people talking trash about recycling proven wrong and do you ever engage h with people on social media now i just i just love the city tries talk. You do yes it. Was i mean it was why you truly believe that helps you. Yes started out 'cause pushes you because no matter how. How do you feel. There's somebody out there. They're still not gonna be satisfied with the work. That's been done so if he lost satisfied. You can say that i need to work on this so approved at good in that category and i'm just going showed that everything. You said that i can't do approve that. I can't go out and do it yeah so when you originally got here last year you're after the draft. You were hurt and couldn't practice minicamp right so you didn't have a full practice at this until your first day out here in training camp you know here. We are in westfield indiana north of indianapolis. So what what do you remember about that. I practice especially the play you made on andrew. Luck came out nervous. Amaze was first time being back on the field so i it definitely was not. What was your injury. <hes> quad. I pull mcleod k. so then going going through individual. I just wanna make everette was perfect and found. We've got a team period appeared at a tight end going vertical so is my guide and there's interceptor andrew and then decide finally says something to me and i kind of had a lotta lotta weightlessness odor is were when you're a rookie in the n._f._l. Not necessarily being there's hazing but d really have to come in and prove yourself before you get the <hes> with <hes> yeah 'cause i mean as a lot of people like other look at it as a lot of i go to schools and everybody said they're going to be this big time name and then you come in and be a bust so then when i came in i was complete the opposite i was saying that they said was the worst draft pick so i definitely had to come in and prove that i could place came in a kept my mouth shut and i'll just willing to work and after i made at one play that's when the defense that's winning coach. He was actually saying good job. Keep it up. We see that you can play a little bit so the accounted for for somebody who's coming from small school and then having people saying that you're gonna be a bad draft pig and then you come out practically do something like that it kind of gives you <hes> <hes> a lot of confidence because like i said i came in very nervous. I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know how to feel so after play kind of made me feel pretty good about myself. When did you know that you're going to start to start the season <hes> <hes> last the last week of training camp and <hes> going into preseason games and a._m. Yeah this has started there and <hes> gritted out as elf my first game against the seahawks dan the second game. I got a b and then the second game. I was <hes> you mean you've. You've really were bad against the seahawks. Yes <hes> like i i. I was terrible. I mean i had about llamas have lows. I was ms fitting so then <hes> you know you get in front of everybody. As a man you know you got a lot of pride so i took it when started looking at more <hes> kind of just stayed in playbook and kind of prove that that our great as also a deadly took it and just ran with it. You're one of those rare players that you don't watch film all day and on all night explain why in first of all tell me tell me do you watch a lot less than the guys on this team and why is that only because because me personally <hes> that first game i mean against cincy regular season the first game the first first regular season game and i i went in. I mean i watched. I watched baby six hours of film by myself. Just when i got home and drew everything up i knew the tendencies and then when i gained in a game i was planning slow. 'cause i was guessing. What are they gonna run here. What are they gonna run down. No out of formation so then i only had eight tackles and eight for me. He's not my goal. I want to wear tacos more game so then the next week. I see no what they've me. Just take the coaching but sit. Let's put the film him to decide and just re re mckee's and after that we're going on in washington had nineteen tackles and that's when i'll say okay. Maybe i'll need to watch family. Just leads to the coaches. He does play marquees so now. If if a high school kid comes to comes to you for advice or maybe a college kid your advice would be never watch an instant of film. No no not at all. I mean everybody's different. I mean like walker. He loves to watch film he. He knows exactly what what was coming. Make him comfortable right. It makes me comfortable to go out and just read my keys and go from there so it's different people but i'm gonna give them the best advice for for their ability. I'm not gonna say don't watch film you don't so you don't have to make sure let them know that you watch film until you comfortable than if you watch too much if you're not comfortable. Don't watch watch it. All are your coaches. Okay with you not watching much phil. I'm not sure i mean i don't. I don't really go walk around and advertise it. They'll go advertise it. I don't watch his film but i mean 'cause flus men. We we walk through every every day so by the time game day. I don't seem one play. Maybe seventy times so once. I get to the game on very comfortable because i don't see it all week long. I think it's interesting. How matty reflects your defensive coordinator does not care if you're twenty one or forty one. You know he's gonna play. The guy who he thinks is the best guy so and so. You're going to have a lot of young. You got an infusion of talent this year on defense fence. Tell me what it's like playing for him and am i right. Does he just not really care how old you are. He doesn't care. I mean it's always about competing u._p. Every a single day so he doesn't care if you're thirteen fourteen year event or your rookie you go out and prove that you can play better than the next guy he's gonna. Put you in there and if you're a guy <hes> who not going risk your body for somebody else to make a play. He's definitely going to put you in here because it's a team game in the scheme that we play you. Gotta be able to sacrifice your body for somebody else. That's what surprised you about last year. If anything as your everything give me give me a little rundown. Oh my i mean as much as i did. I had i was that was definitely a surprise especially coming from a small school. I really thought i was going to have to take a back seat role dan <hes> just all the publicity city and everything that's coming now. So is everything that happened wasn't surprised even being drafted. It was definitely a surprise because i mean as a kid as what you dream about dan when the dream comes to reality you know you're a complete shock. How about just the level of competition. Did you have last year sort of a welcome to the n._f._l. Moment that you were you said to yourself. I can really do this. When when do you think that occurred to you that i can do this at a high level. <hes> after the washington game playing games i mean a._p. Is one of the best buy backs to ever play so i mean pentagon planning and not allowing him to rush over one hundred yards in in just playing playing well in coverage and just doing the right things and after they gain being name a player of the week in fell. That's i mean that's a big high war. So that's what i kind of figured out that long as i can keep my head down and kibo keep working. I could be producers leave. What's your i mean your position to me. Leuke clear once said about your job. I just wanna stay out of the traffic. You know i i i wanna. I wanna have some lanes to be able to get guys. Take me into your your head and tell me how do you succeed in. What looks like total chaos out there. <hes> users linebacker manti. Someone's is obviously football. No no matter what it is <hes> the ball could be fifty yards down. Phillies hit the ball so you gotta get there by any means necessary if you've got to fight through three blocks order anything i gotta get you the ball in. I take pride in that every single play. I wanna make in every single. I won't so my my drive is much bigger bigger than a lot of people because they just a lot of people say okay. I'm going to do my job ballers away. A state of my gap knows i'm not gonna sit around and watch anybody else. Make a play. I want to go over and make the play have you as the season went on last year and it became apparent that you might be defensive rookie of the year. You were very close. Did that become important to you. <hes> did you care. How did you feel about that. Particular award that particular war award manages going in. I just you know you you want what's best for the team. I just wanted to go out every single. Play like i said just make every single play and enter the season chills forward and hopefully this year to be holding lombardi trophy but the individual wars. You really don't focus on that as much <hes> you. That's something that you feel. I golden the super bowl champion and out to the season was over cell k looking back at film. Maybe i can't be festival missile rookie of the year and of course you you want your name at the top so i'm gonna competitors so i knew that i wanted award and i was blessed to receive it. Did you find yourself sort of studying during james at all because he was your big competition for that massey when you when you plan is just like a race you so you saying both said all the time you focus on yourself you sold us. Turn start learning looking sideways. That's when you get distracted. You keep your head down and control which you can control that his outworking everybody everybody and making every single play and chills falling favorites. They follow your favorite. Don't what do you think other teams other scouts other other people were wrong about you. What did they miss about you. They just missed that. I mean they were not the reason why i didn't go to a big school. That's the only thing because if all the way to clemson or any other bass schooling drafted out have been perfectly fine. I would never been called the worst draft pick but since i went and saw carolina state nobody knew south carolina state competitions. Maybe a little low end that i think that was the biggest biggest downfall because nobody knew it and as you know the n._f._l.'s a big. You've bought publicity okay. He's this guy's pretty. High should've took this linebacker. He played it is bigger school so i just had co-managers. Just prove everything did you. You have <hes> anytime this off season to sort of appreciate what happened to you as a rookie how unexpected it was re able able to sit down and sort of appreciate it and what was that like if so it was it was amazing. Just sit back and just look at all the things that i accomplished <hes> just going back to high schools. Food is bringing back memories seeing a lot of people's wearing them fifty-three because <hes> just just seeing kids that run to ask before monograph is it was kind of surreal real because i come from a small town didn't have anything growing up and then bringing home defense rookie of the year to town that doesn't even have a stop light town less than a thousand people who i mean it was pretty big and they gave me the key to the city and the kind of think about how many people's behind me and i was more success can i have. It's gotta be a little bit bitter sweet for you. Now because you're one brother isn't there you got two brothers. <hes> <hes> who are in in prison and i wonder what is your success meant for the family. Overall is definitely the top because i mean like you said we're two bucks concentrated. One dead and people people saw my family is ok yeah. They're they're hitting the ms. Lot of people just talk about family so didn't have my brother goes to the n._f._l. And only plan for years so a lot of people were saying okay. Okay yeah they're. They're not gonna do anything they just. One hit wonders maybe so now inhabits says is actually pretty good because now mama's happy family happy in. We don't have to struggling learn more one thing about your background that i'm curious about. Do you ever sit back and wonder why me and why not them him and what happened to me different than happened say to your two brothers who are in prison in your other brothers dead al always will talk never never questioned gaza where just <hes> just control what you can control. I'm out. Thank god ever see goodell wake up just for giving me this opportunity to play the game that i love to be able to provide for my family and that's as a man never never asked why is control what i can control and that's it. Let's talk about this season a little bit. Are you one of those guys. I mean tackles as a statistic. Some people really believe in it. Some people think it's kind of an overrated stat stat. How do you feel about tackles and what is your goal. Every year for tackles are tacos is definitely not overrated. How if you don't tackle anybody. I mean it's a touchdown right so if you got to stop so i have big goals this year i mean i wanna torch. Tackles ten sacks four hundred six four force fumbles defensive player you super bowl v._p.'s. Has anybody ever done that. I'll no no. I don't think i don't think so <hes> is it. I mean that's your goal but do you think that two hundred tackles is legitimately possible for you. Anything's possible yeah anything is possible. And what do you think of your team a year ago. Everybody was thinking well l. This team is really got isn't a total rebuilding phase and now you guys are getting a lot of love. A lot of people picking you to win the division. Maybe maybe it'll be the hunted. Instead of you know the hunter the hunters instead of the hunted so i wonder how do you look at your team. How good do you think you'll be. What do you see out out here. <hes> we got to prove it. We gotta prove each and every every week <hes> i really do think we have a pretty good team coming in we have we. I have two great coordinators. He's got a great head coach so we we both know we all know each other schemes last year. You know it was the first year if everybody now we're comfortable with each other each coordinator coordinator so of course frank. I was talking about every day getting one percent better so that's what we come out and do and hell hopefully every we'd be wanna know. How do you like playing for frank reich. I love it love it. He's he's a great guy a great leader and <hes> i definitely love being on behind him so if you were to look at this season he's in the end of this season and say you know this is a successful season. What would be successful in your is super bowl champion. That's it. That's it over the stats as i take that super bowl ring everything finish as any of this so now now that you've done what you've done is a rookie. I wonder do you expect teams. Maybe the play differently to block you differently all of a sudden sudden. You're not the you know <hes>. You're not the lousy draft pick who picked to hi. Everybody now knows okay. This guy can play so what do do you expect to see this year. I expect to see some similar saying lives last couple of games last year a lot of what was happening just running the ball <hes> <music> ceylon away from me just making me <hes> russell on the sideline early tried to give me tired in maybe late in the third or fourth quarter. They're gonna run towards me to see if i'm tired or try to hallo me in the past cover so as it stands you see on film that tau team's gonna try. Try to attack you so definitely going <hes> look at that and just just keep working on data and hopefully <hes> overland gopher. You're a great example of <hes> of the words and the media and people's opinions really not mattering and he just took it into your own hands and you did it yourself. What's the moral of your story more storage this. I mean we always <hes> highschool coast. <hes> always said i remember my last last <hes> high school game he said ed is your book that you're writing your you got to pin. Don't let anybody else right anything in your book but yourself so i'm not going to allow anybody to tell me what i can or cannot do. I'm gonna just prove that i can do anything. I'll put my mind to go from her. Great moral of the story dairies leonard hope. You have a great neck. <hes> t- thousand nineteen is there. Thank you be sure to listen to chris. Simms is unbuttoned podcast. He'll be on the road with us this week in cleveland and pittsburgh and i will join him on his podcast very very soon. We're going to record it actually in our yukon denali or whatever those things are called. It's dinelli but we're gonna record that driving driving from pittsburgh to cleveland late on tuesday so you'll hear that this week so matter of fact by the time you hear this i already he will have recorded it so chris. Simms is podcast is so much fun because he is just a conversational guy and he doesn't come in in with a list of a bunch of questions. Just he has a conversation with people so <hes> please listen and support the unbutton podcast and now my conversation with all pro cornerback jalen ramsey of the jaguars jalen even a very interesting n._f._l. Career so far you have. You had a very very interesting career but i do need to ask you one question before we talk football. I was watching practice today a little pad that comes down from your back. There's a twenty dollar bill in there and at the bottom of the bill it says twenty land okay so first of all <hes>. I've never seen a twenty dollar bill on a piece of equipment before so you've gotta tell me the story. <hes> is this what my my mindset. I guess every time i go down and make some money <hes> i'm twenty so i'll be so the twenty dollar bill and i forgot what across the put twenty land over. It's been like that for a few years so i don't remember exactly but so this is not a new thing. You've you've had that out there before yeah. It's been there for four so one question about your arrival at training camp this year in the brinks truck. I need you to sort of tell me what was the thought process behind that. And how did you think did you think of it did someone else think of it it and tell me the story <hes> i knew i wanted to do something and i thought doc maybe of the idea a little while back but <hes> adidas came to me on uninterrupted came to me and and they wanted they gave me two options kind of <hes> things i could do to come into training camp and one was optional. One was the brings truck truck with a influence around here of my choice. <hes> the second option was kind of like wolford washy like very business like come up car sudan stuff and of course i i picked the brings idea i thought it would be more fitting and funnier so i picked that idea and then they asked asked me to influence our wants us. I told him davis was a comedian. Yeah we kind of collapse and went from there. What is it now that it really seems like guys are kind of having fun how they get to training camp 'antonio brown in the hot air balloon you and brings antonio brown that was that was a pretty good one so <hes> is is it a little bit of competition. Do you guys want to have somebody say now. That was the best trip to training camp <hes>. I don't think it's really a competition. I think everybody doesn't even go fine is doing but did you know antonio brown was going to do that i did not what did you think when you saw it about. It was dope. I thought it was cool. The i wanna ask you a little bit about the position of cornerback and the scrutiny the need of the position of cornerback now especially in the wake of the n._f._c. championship game when a call that should have been made against macelroy coleman in the n._f._c. championship game was missed and the n._f._l. Has now reacted to it basically saying we're going to allow now pass interference to be replay reviewable now. Give me your opinion of that now being able to be reviewed <hes> well. I understand the roles correctly. <hes> coach can challenge it correct recht whether it's called on the field or whether it's not calling coach can challenge it but <hes> i mean. This is a crucial player critical play i don. I don't see coaches just challenging it. You know passing advances all the time because you wanna get with two hundred right. I don't see them out up. Challenge flags all the time for passing a crucial moment of the game and which in that case i agree it should be a relation microscope so uh something like what happened in the n._f._c. championship game to get reviewed so yeah i think it's not bad but is well like human error with the reps and stuff that that's a real thing and i think that's why the rescue paid kind of have to trust that at the same time so i'm indifferent about it d- worry at all has there been any talk that you know assertive the jousting that you do with wide receivers anyway might get called even though that is pretty natural almost every time here in coverage every year <hes> like. I said it was very natural. Receivers probably won't flags every play and we won't flags on every play as well like office president for defense. The president's is basically but say coaches out to be very smart and strategic on how to use their challenges of the net <hes>. If it's a test now it's automatically review so. I don't think that it's gonna make a huge difference besides crucial moments of the game. I've always thought that one of the best best wide receivers i've ever seen at hiding <hes> offensive pass interference was michael irvin and he was he. He knew exactly when he could do something and he knew when all eyes were on him. I wonder how much of your play do you have to really think even crew the crew okay. How much can i get away with this crew grabbing. Are they going to allow how much i mean what uh how much is too much. How much is that a part of the cornerback wide receiver play right now. I think it's a crucial part me personally. I try gotta play pretty consistent every day. <hes> how i do and the amount of physical nascent tugging do my whole all around game but i definitely have learned some <hes> crews some referee crews better than others so i know if they're gonna let us us a little bit more physically do you study back judges and and side judges and those guys at all or not really not study and say studying yeah i <hes> from from it. I did a little familiar with yeah but i wouldn't say studying. Is there an understanding right now like when you were growing growing up in this game were their corners who you watched and you to see okay. How much can i get away with and what is is what is going too far. Who who would you say you. You learn a lot from yeah. I used to watch porn of course at ten bailey of course the west highlights and post and dion all the time at p. grievous. I'd have probably keep going from already. There's a lot a lot of guys who i who i used to watch up but <hes> i never watched in aspect alone. Can i get away with. I watched it more so it's like how can i i play the game the right way as best i can and not feel like i have to get over and to write these lewis type of stuff uh-huh yeah definitely gonna take my opportunities might get a chance to get a little edge of that. I wanna play the game right way again fair and tom skilling tyler. How conversation happens between officials and you in in defensive backs during a game <hes> not too much. I mean maybe at the start of the game a little bit if i know i'm playing a receiver who pushes off a lot on my left so watch for us on that they do that. We seem to do that almost every day to go up ramps ramps and tell them hey this guy hold that so <hes> is really up to the rally after the game consistent. What was your feeling feeling the other day when you saw that mike thomas signed for twenty million a year richest receiver in the history of the game i was happy for him and might have the same agent so i <hes> <hes> i knew the deal before it hit mainstream but a as well deserving. Do you think right now. You're the the best cornerback in football. Annoy your sure. We get paid like that. Yeah yeah well. Do you think you'll play your whole career in jacksonville last question for you so this game it enters its one hundredth year this year and now as you're going to start the next century as one one of the big players in the n._f._l. What does that mean to you for sport. That's as big in this country right now to know that as the game goes into its next century all eyes on you i would say is on me. I mean i i i do welcome myself. I play the lead level but <hes> football is different than like a bunch of other sports like basketball. There's like they can. They can be a superstar team. Kinda take over over dame general playing corner. I can you know take over side of field at times but i can't take over a complete game on offense. I kalana offensive guys nick leading other guys out there everybody else we also have to rely on safeties linebackers demand and get pressured. I can't cover for ten seconds. You know <hes> no matter how good maybe take over ten seconds so it i football is legit a whole teams for like eleven eleven so <hes> yeah it's important and i take a lot of pride and doing very very well most beloved i can rule it out but only guys to jalen ramsey have a great year and now five minutes with a writer. She's a veteran scribe was covered the cleveland browns. It sounds ridiculous for most of her adult life. Mary kay cabinet of the cleveland plain dealer so we're here on the sideline. Cleveland browns camp happy happy to be joined by. Mary kay cabot of the veteran beat writer. Who's covered this team for quite a while how many years mary kay i think maybe close to thirty now. It was a little break in between three years well that was you know and they were. They were out of town for those three years but i always say i wasn't productive during those years but i was reproductive. I had my kids during that's actually good. How many kids do you have three so yeah. The mom beat writer. How is is it to have kids and to be a beat writer and have the phone ring at all times of the day or night. You're nursing your baby and and you're on the phone with whoever it's been insane. I should should have been reality show and you really shouldn't yeah. The kids did a great job raising themselves but that's good so mary kay here we are. You're you're you're on the sidelines of almost like america's team right now. Everybody is so curious about the browns. How was the chemistry experiment going going here well. I think it's going really well so far but the thing that that i think still has to happen. I really do believe that that baker and and odell really still need to get that magic. I think they need to get that chemistry where they can play fast and it looks really really natural. Now you know odell you know missed some of the off season and he did so with the blessing of freddie kitchens but there is and i've talked to peyton manning about this there. There is no nothing nothing like reps together. You can't replace replacing. It's replacing and so i think they still need to find that i mean this is a whole new offense for odell and not not only that he was with eli manning for five solid years. It's like being married. You know what i mean. I mean you you know each other's nuances you finish finish each other's other's sentences and even though it didn't end that great <hes> you know you still know each other's nuances so i still think that they need to find the magic with each other and they will. It's coming. I mean they're both so darn talented. Tell me how his team has accepted them and how is the community accepted odell beckham. Oh he's he's a superstar here. I mean he he is. You know it's no longer l._b._j. But it's oh b._j. Here you know cleveland has replaced l._b._j. With oh b._j. So that's basically disclaimer at he's a superstar here of that magnitude. Every single move he makes is is chronicled. You know blown up. You know eh everything that he does out here whether he's dancing. Whether he's you know hanging out with jarvis i mean we are all over. It and people are eating it up. Have have you ever thought this is. The thought that occurred to me that he got so famous oh early because of that incredible catch with the giants how oh can any person especially young person who doesn't have a lot of world experience experience yet. How can somebody handle that and i wonder how how do you think he has handled that since coming here being the focal point that everybody looks. I think he's handling it really really well. There's no question that he had to wrap his brain around this trait. He struggled with it. He grappled with it. It was very difficult for him to realize oh my gosh be careful what you wish for. I'm now leaving new york city to go to cleveland okay. I mean the social. Life is a little different here so i think in that regard it's been <hes> <hes> you know a process for him but i think he's really starting to embrace it. Now you see him out here. He's dancing. He's having a good time. He's relaxed laxed the media scrutiny although it's it's large here in cleveland. It's not new york either so i think maybe he's a little tiny bit less in the fish bowl than he was but he's having his teammates. He's getting to know people <hes> freddy's giving him an opportunity to be himself and to just get used to this whole idea finishing up five minutes with mary kay cabinet so mary kay. What are the issues now that this team has to solve address <music> fix before the start of the season to be a contender to win the a._f._c. north. I think they just have to bring it all together together. They have new players from all over the place and they have a new coaching staff. They have a new offensive coordinator in todd monkey. Freddie kitchens is a new head coach for the very first time. He's only been a coordinator for eight games of his entire n._f._l. Career he's got a new defensive coordinator. They're trying to blend all kinds of fought on the offense <hes> so that's what i think it is. I think it's just bringing it all together so that they can put it out on the field and they don't have time <hes> they. You don't have a lot of margin for error there on primetime three times in the first five weeks. They have to start fast last thing i would ask you is so aw over the years. You obviously have great perspective. You've seen a lot of losing teams and i wonder everybody in cleveland is so excited needed. Obviously this feels different. Do you think it will be different. You know what there's so much talent out there that i actually i think it will be different. I do think it will be different because even though the coaching staff is new and they're from all different walks of football life. There's there's some really there are some really great coaches. There's some great minds some great experience so i do think it will be different and i think that we saw glimpses of that. In the last eight games i share now. They didn't play the greatest defenses in the world last year and they will face better competition this year but i think it's going to be different. I think they're going to win. Games and i think it's warranted. Mary kay cabin cleveland plain dealer. Thank you so much for joining me and educating my <hes> listeners about really the most intriguing team in the n._f._l. This year thanks for having me appreciate it so that's it for this week's podcast. I really appreciate you joining me. Thank you to darius leonard jalen allan ramsay and mary kay cabinet and we're very very lucky to have them and also please please please if you you have a fantasy draft coming up. Go get the rota world draft guide and the reason why you need to get the rotor world draft guide is this is not the run-of-the-mill draft guy was saying okay. Here's who we think you should draft. This is packed with insider information and the kind of things as you need to know to decide okay. Am i going all in on. Let's say for the sake of argument going all in on levy on on bill this year or am. I going to take a chance with one of the newer running backs in football. Am i going to take a chance dance with obviously taken a chance. Nobody's taking a chance was saquon barkley. He's gonna be very high. Pick in everybody's draft but do you trust darius guys. You know of washington <hes>. Do you think mark ingram is going to have enough to be a high draft choice in baltimore. These are the kind of questions that you will get some real inside information and just some insight insight into why you should pick who you should pick on your draft day so that's it for the peter king podcast this this week. It's been a pleasure join me again next week for another edition of the peter king podcast from the training camp trail. I'll join renew from way out west <music>.

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Film sessions and a minicamp mailbag

Big Blue View

41:13 min | 1 year ago

Film sessions and a minicamp mailbag

"Borderlands is back shoot and loot your way through mayhem fueled adventure. And borderlands three blasts through new worlds and enemies as one of the four new playable volt owners each with deep skill trees abilities and customization play solo or with your friends to take on insane enemies score loads of loot and save the galaxy from fanatical threat. Mayhem is coming September. Thirteenth on PC Xbox One and PS four preorder now to receive the gold weapon skins pack at borderlands dot com. Hello, brooklyn. The big view podcast. I am Dan Zuta join tear back. Chris. Chris. How're you doing doing pretty good? All right. So giants mini camp has opened. I mean, not a not a lot really happening. It's still a off season practice. There's shorts. There's no hitting two. We're not really going to dive into much of that. Add is going to be here to explain what he saw at practice throughout the week. So he's really going to be talking about the practice aboard. So we are just going to gloss over what happened. It seems like some people look good. Some people don't that's just kind of what you can expect from from an off season practice like this where you're not ramping up to two full speed yet. So there's really not a lot to take away. We try to, but it does just because it's the only thing going on. But for today we're going to the most of the episode waiter is just. Is going to be a mill bag. We're going to enter a few quick questions before we get into that. I just wanted to talk about a couple of things that I've been doing lately, and I've just been like binge watching some of these film sessions from NFL game pass, and this is with a branch awards ski and Brian Baldinger, and they sort of this last year. They really blew it out this year of having players come in, they watched some film with these players and just kind of go over what they see what these players are thinking their techniques and everything, and I've watched three of these Ovar and they've been pretty good for this season of watched AG luck lane. Johnson, the right tackle the Philadelphia Eagles and desma king, who is a cornerback for the Los Angeles chargers. I just want to quickly go into a couple of takeaways, I got for these that could and should translate, what the giants are going to do in two thousand nineteen or the first one, I watched was Andrew, and I think my biggest takeaway from luck was more about Frank Reich and just how involved he is. Is in that offense and how he really set up Andrew luck to come back and be successful in twenty eighteen a lot of that came from this scheme. You just look at a lot of what Indianapolis dated and we discussed this when the giants played Indianapolis during the season of just how open they are able to scheme, these receivers they're offensive scheme is just so good. A lot of that starts with the offensive line, which Andrew luck said the beginning of the week. The first thing they talked about was the offense of line past protections to keep Andrew luck Queen to allow him to have a healthy pocket and allow him to push the ball downfield which they did quite a bit. And one of the other things was their use of tight ends there might not be a team who uses multiple tight ends better than the colts it, I think luck said five different tight ends caught a touchdown for them a west year, that's probably going to continue. Still have Eric Ibran Jack Doyle is going to be coming back. It's something that can translate to the giants with Evan Ingram with red Ellison with Scott Simonsen. We've discussed how we would like to see the giants pass from twelve personnel more because you can use those mismatches with the type of player Ingram is with the receiving skills that, like Ellison does have an Simonson showed a little bit of that, too. So I would like to see the giants kind of take what the colts did with their tight end passing game and use that more than twenty nine thousand nine yeah. Definitely when the giants played the colts last year, that was something I noted in my prep for that game was just how they use their tight ends, and especially Eric Braun. His he was considered a bust coming out of North Carolina when the lions, drafted him and really didn't get a whole hell of a lot out of him. You could see the flashes of his athleticism and the player that he could be. But he just never really realized that with how the lions used him. But he believed in himself and apparently the colts did too. But they didn't use him as a fulltime tight end. They would use him. I believe he described the position almost as, as a sniper, just, they would bring him on in certain situations when they could create a favorable matchup, and then let him use that athletic ability to really gash defense and pick up choke yardage. And also, like you said your to your point about Frank Reich and Andrew luck. It was no sure thing that luck would be able to come back from his injury, just period or come back from his injury and still be in a league quarterback. We shouldn't forget he had to go over to Europe to get a special medical treatment that I don't believe is proved by the FDA to get his shoulder back to where he could play. Way, NFL quarterback so that comeback and what the scheme they built around him and the development of their offensive line, which for years was a just a bad unit Anthony Costanzo was. His first two or three years was so bad. It made Eric flowers look like a all pro tackle, just the development of that offense and the scheming of that offense was brilliant last year so that there are team. I hope the giants have been watching film. Yeah. I think so surprisingly, we talk about the tight ends they are still in a web in personnel. Seventy four percent of the time per shar football stats think that was because of a lot of the injuries. They had at tight end at that second tight end position they had to is kind of consistently roll over that position. But when they used twelve personnel, they were a fifty fifty split between the run into pass and that's great. That's a formation at not giving away what you're going to do. And then ten point four yards per attempt in twelve personnel. So that's exactly what you want to see it. So that is I think something, the giants can replicate. It will we move on a watch Wayne. Johnson, which was very interesting. Somebody points for the eagles. Someone the giant see twice her season. I'm not going to go into like crazy detail here about, what jobs did a lot of it was just kind of offense of line technique, which I found just a really interesting. It's always good to learn about that, from the guys who do it. Did some quick takeaways from him? It was talked about four the RPO's the run pass options. All he does is worry about rumbling. And now we're hearing about whether he's too far down the field were not when run blocking because if you know, run blocking you're usually moving forward pass blocking moving backward. But there's supposed to be a penalty for offense lineman being too far down the field while pest blocking. But when you're using an RPO you run blocking so offensive lineman Ken tend to get down the field. He says he doesn't care about that because the refs never call it. So that is an advantage to the offense where you are getting an offense of Lyman down the field where you wouldn't be able to do that on a pass play. And now we'll see the giants have said they'll. Use a little more Arpaio's in their playbook. That's probably, especially going to be the case when Daniel Jones comes in at quarterback whenever that might be. So that is just a little mini but built in advantage for the offense when you can have the offense of Lyman little further downfield, pass balking or blocking on a pass than you would normally one other thing, I, I thought stood out from Johnson. That's just worth bringing up is that he said he preferred to block against longer edge rushers. And when you, you hear people talk about the prototypical rusher they want they want these, like Wong, big guys between Johnson said he prefers blocking those guys because there's more area to block. So if you were efficient in your technique like someone like lane Johnson is the he you have more room to walk those guys. He said the smaller guys like in Elvis Duma, Ville, who was listed at five eleven to thirty. So if he was listening to that he was probably small. Elvas Duma, villas great. He said guys like that. He hates blocking because they can just naturally getting a leverage advantage of being lower. And I think we see that a lot with guys like someone like Aaron Donald who gets that leverage against guards because he is under size. So I think we is sometimes can underrate how important or how a under like speedy pass rusher Ken translate to the NFL. And I think that's something we talked about a lot during the draft season. So it was real interesting to hear one of the best offenses tackles in the NFL said he would actually rather. Get one of those prototypical, big guys instead of in undersides speedy pass rushers, who could give him just some more problems just by natural everage. Yeah. I'm actually going to stick a pin in this and circle. Back to it. When we get to our mail bag as this does hit on something. I want to talk about it when we enter one of those questions. All right. Sounds good. I was just banging out a couple of these in the third one. I watched was Desmond king, who is mostly in nickel corner for where the Los Angeles chargers. He had a great season last year. I was just fascinated by some of the defensive stuff he was talking about. He talked a lot about uh some like match coverage. The chargers us, which is basically just a hybrid of zone and man coverage which you should be seeing bore in the NFL just based on the responsibilities and the routes. It impacts coverage. The defense runs and responsibilities. They have talked a little bit about defending our PEOs talked about the seven defensive back defense that they ran against the Baltimore Ravens in the playoffs last year. That's something we've suggested the giant should maybe tried to do a little bit this season. So and then he also talked about some special teams because he was a second team all pro returner last year. So we kinda talked about setting up blocks. So no quite crazy takeaways that I think are trans. Label to the extent that we need to break them down. But I thought desma king had the, the most fun. I've watched one of these from this year and glass year so far. So if you have an fell game pass, I would highly suggest watching all of these be because they're really informative and it's cool to hear the players actually talk about this stuff themselves. Yeah. That's definitely on my to do list of with minicamp going on. And at their I've been trying to keep an eye on things. Just in case news breaks. So I I wasn't able to get on game pass, but that's definitely on my to do list. Yeah it's good. I think there's about seven new ones up right now. I don't know if that's all purpose. They were supposed to only do like one week in through September, but there's a bunch of right now. So if you have that definitely a cool tool to have. So we are going to take a quick break, and be back with a couple mil back questions. Hi, I'm every truffle men and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism fascist architecture. 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So we are back the main topic today is just a bunch of topics. We opened up a mill bag just to get some questions from you guys to see just what you want to talk about his it is June, while minicamp is going on. There's only so much minicamp talk. We can have so we opened it up for male and just kind of see what you guys wanted to talk about. So we got a couple of questions we're going to go over those, so this first one is from James McGovern. I think this was from a Chris one of your post this question came the I want to say how much I enjoy reading the big movie blog, and I think that all the contributors you have are very solid. Cool. Thank you. Thank you a giants fan for forty plus years now. Wow. Okay. And in my opinion, the best giants blog out there. Okay. So still talking about that. I thought we were getting into the question. Okay. My question is this. There we go. Sorry, I'm reading this as again, I wanted to see if you. Could elaborate on a point Chris made in over under posts today. Go read that we all talked about the giants over under at six and where we are taking that right now. That's oppose up on dig review in the post. He writes, while there's plenty I like about Pat Shurmur remained frustrated by his refusal to play his to his personnel straits and attack, opponent's weaknesses. So he says, I have definitely heard the self scouting commentary about Shurmur, but hadn't heard either of those critiques about not attacking opponent's weaknesses, or futile to play to his person does sprints, any light, you could shed would be appreciated. Okay. So James, you can go back and listen to almost any podcast we had post game during the twenty eighteen season. There was a lot of this. But I think a lot of this was, you know, just different tendencies that we the brought up even over the past couple of weeks. We've started you bring this up. We had it in the hell the offense can be more efficient podcasts. We did the two weeks ago at this point. A lot of that is in there. The giants ran a lot from a heavy personnel. They, they didn't run a nearly enough into a from eleven personnel. They use a lot of stacked boxes on the usage of Evan Ingram on short routes a not throwing to seek one Barclay like in front of the line of scrimmage. I did a threat on Twitter this week of sick one Barclays pass targets from the slot that thread consisted of one tweet that said end of thread, because saquon Barkley was not targeted from the slot at all at any point during the twenty eight team. He had seven targets lined up wide a, but when you combine his lot and out, bide targets, which was still seven there was, like twenty ninth among all running backs and that's not where bark, we should be, so it's, it's a lot of these little things that kind of just built up to one big thing where you can see all of these just. Oh pieces with the giants just weren't getting the most out of what they could have brought to the field last year. Yes. Just that exactly. And also there were a few specific instances, I had in mind when I wrote that the first was when the giants played the New Orleans Saints at the at the time. The saints secondary hadn't started to come around yet and bully Hooker. Marshon Lattimore were playing as well as they had the your prior. So the same secondary was bad at that point, I believe they were making all of their opponents. Look like either Patrick Mahomes, or Goth so coming into the game. We both basically said the giants need to attack downfield yet. Cameron Jordan is a really good defensive lineman. But they can't let him dictate their offensive scheme and just throw quick dump off passes it. They have to attack the secondary and take advantage of an obvious weakness in the opponent's defense. They did basically not that until it was the end of the game. And the giants were desperately trying to make a comeback when that was when they targeted could Latimer downfield a couple of times, and it was successful than the other game that was right in the forefront of my mind because I very recently gone back and taking a second look at. It was the eagles game in which the giants jumped out to an early lead against an eagle secondary. That was so injured. They didn't even have enough healthy players to practice. They were conscripting players from other positions to fill out their secondary, so they could practice and the giants just did not attack downfield. You know, they had some very clear tendencies, and it was it, they would throw be basically a ten to fifteen yards downfield if the eagles were in man coverage, but if they were in zone coverage it was just basically quick five yard passes, and they ran, whenever they felt like it the tackle box count didn't matter while in the second half of that game. The eagles switched to basically a vanilla cover three defense which has. Eight players in the tackle box, all the time, a single high safety and the two corners in zone coverage that basically shut down the giants offense. They had fifty six yards and, and a field goal in an entire half of football. That's disappointing drive for that to be your entire half against a. Completely depleted. Secondary is just not good. And just to make matters worse. That was before Beckham got injured. So they had their full complement of offense of weapons and you just should not be able to run cover three against an offense that has saquon Barkley Odell Beckham Evan Ingram. Sterling Shepard read Ellison. And all of those guys, you know, even with the eagles pass rush you still should not be able to run a cover three against them. And even though. Everybody in the league knows how to be covered three the giant still just didn't do it. Now, there are other times we did see Pat Shurmur make some adjustments. The Texans game. The Carolina game. Those times we did see it. But they would just never stick with those adjustments in carrier them through to the next game. They'd always go back into their shell. And that was really what frustrated me with him last year. Yeah, I mean all of that I remembered the eagles game and severely that is something that the contiguous tune stand out. It was depleted secondary. A secondary that was very prone to double moves and the giants just didn't do any of that. So it's just it's just things like that, that you think just should be obvious. And it's something that, like if the two of us here are like figuring out and think it's obvious thing like the coaching staff should know that. I mean I feel like every. I thought the giants should be throwing downfield against the eagles. I know they struggle to throw downfield in General S year but against the secondary like that, it's just hit something that should have been done. It was almost the necessary to be done against that secondary, and it just wasn't. So there's, there's little things just here and there that just kind of continued to build up. With with the offense last year. And it's something you hope was considered during the off season and is going to be fixed for next season. And that will bring us to our next question, which is how do you think the departure of Odell Beckham will impact Schumer's playcalling if at all particularly given that their top wide receivers are both at their best when playing in the slot. So that yeah. Everything goes hand in hand here. I think shepherd and Tate do both play their best from the slot. But I think they also both have the ability to win from the outside. So I don't think they're going to be hampered by that. I do think they're going to run twelve personnel more often than they did last year. Hopefully they're not going to run the ball from twelve personnel more than they did last year. You're going to pass more from that. And hopefully it's not going to be running into stacked boxes like they did in the end of the season last year on the phone. Dame's Odell Beckham missed saquon Barkley wed the league in runs against stacked boxes. And we talked to Matt Hormann a while ago on this podcast. Just brought up his charting Oto Beckham is one of the few wide receivers in the league who actually call for double coverage from defenses on a significant amount of snaps and people talk about double coverage all the time. But rarely is it like true double coverage, but Odell is the type of the receiver who does just completely change how the defense can play against offense without him. I think that frees up the defense a little bored. And I think the giants are going to have to be a little more creative in getting some openings. So you would hope that's where the play calling is going although based on last year. That's not what it was. But hopefully there was a little step back. There was a little self scouting, and that's going to change her twenty nineteen yet definitely in doing our summer school. Series. I've been trying to concentrate on especially the last two games. The giants played. Because those games we at least saw something of a different offense. They used a lot more misdirection. They ran Evan Ingram as a ball carrier and not just as a target for three and five yard crossing routes yet, and that I think, is where the offense more or less needs to go. They can't just play a straight up straight ahead. West coast offense. I think they need to really make an effort to ski mismatches for saquon Barkley, and having room and then also use golden Tate's ability in space as a ball carrier and I suppose just make sterling shepherd. They're firemen just he is very reliable. He does have the ability to win inside and out and against different kinds of coverage. So he should probably be the guy they just go to when they absolutely need to get a pass off and get a reception. But as far as just running the offense I think they should try to get those mismatches for Ingram and Barclay, because they're the guys who have the, the athletic ability to really make defensive mistakes into big gains in not just keep the offense chugging along. Yeah. And use all of that to create those missing edges, take or from the backfield lining up in the slot. A little bit wide him up outside more. Do those things that are going to create mismatches. You have guys like Evan Ingram. And sikwan barklay for the reason those guys were first round picks where they were drafted because they're mismatches. And when you don't use them as mismatches. Then that defeats the purpose of having them on the roster. If you were not going to use Evan Ingram mismatch. Like there's no point in actually having someone of Evan Ingram. Skillset just use a normal tight end. That's how you're using them. And that's not the point you should be creating mismatches for increments. Shoud be creating more mismatches from Barkley, and don't just have those mismatches for Barclay. Be making this guy miss behind the line of scrimmage. That's not an efficient use of anyone's time you. So if you can get him more routes down the field allow him to get in that. Case, those are the two things how they use Ingram and Barkley are going to be the big factors of how this offense is going to run into one thousand nine hundred nine we've talked a lot about receivers and how big that that is not here in that the receivers are going to be sterling shepherd and golden Tate. But if they're not using Barclay, and Ingram in more creative ways than shepherd and Tate. I don't think bring enough although I like both of them in a vacuum as receivers if Barclay and Ingram, aren't using more creatively shepherd and tape aren't enough as receivers together to with a passing often. So that's, that's where the giants are in my view heading into the season. Yeah. I think it's something we've said, you know, we, we both like Sheppard and Tate, but they're not going to scare a defense. Berkeley, already does scare defenses and Evan Ingram should scare defenses. He second in the league in yards after catch among receivers behind only George kindle and kindle. And also, again to circle back to how the to talking about the colts kiddle Andy Brown are how the giants should be using Ingram. We talked a lot about in how the giants could run the ball more efficiently by using a an eleven man personnel package while they could use Ingram to basically simulate that package while having a twelve personnel package on the field. So I think if the giants play calling changes because of Beckham's absence it should change to feature those two players. Yeah. We've talked about that a bunch and we're probably going to continue to bring that up. The threw out the the off season into the regular season. So we will. See how that plays out next question it's early. But if you had to bet on one hundred free agent to make an impact this season who would be that's interesting. I don't think there's anyone in my opinion. I'm not sure there's anyone on the roster that I feel as strongly about, as I did grant Haley last year because the giants like really went hard to sign grant Haley. It was queer. He someone who should have been drafted. And then he played a significant amount of snaps last year. So I'm not sure I feel strongly about anyone as much as I did hail US year. I would say if someone just going based on the amount the giants tried to get that player in, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to make Eric Dungy a thing. Former quarterback from Syracuse fairly good college quarterback, and there are transitioning him to a tight end too. I guess, play a taste hill role because that, of course that's what NFL teams took away from twenty eighteen was Tatum hill. Not all of these other ways that offenses can be efficient tastes them hill was there, take away. So I could see the giants trying to make Eric Dungy dare tastes hill, not sure if I'm for that or not. But I could see him making an impact that way because the giants already seem to be making an effort for that to happen. And I think another name throughout their is Reggie White junior, not a junior from Reggie White to administer events. Do Green Bay Packers in Philadelphia Eagles. That is not his dad, but his dad did play in the NFL. He is a wide receiver from Monmouth, I think just because of the depth at wide receiver where there's a lot of guys, but not a lot of quality. I think he has the ability to probably sneak onto the roster. And if the giants don't really have anyone as that third wide receiver which we talked. About is going to be an important position. But if they don't have anyone who really sticks there. I could see that rotation coming in. I think Reggie White probably has a pretty good chance of getting into that rotation. We said when we're talking about young players who need to step up the giants need to find a third receiver somewhere. I know I just said that they could use Ingram to simulate that. But Evan Ingram is not a wide receiver that is not the best use of his skill set on down to down basis. He is a tight end and playing him at tight end allows him to get the mismatch is to make him effected. The giants need a third wide receiver from somewhere and who knows maybe Reggie White will be that guy. He does have just size in athletics that don't really have elsewhere, Cody Latimer is also big athletic Korey Coleman is he's going to be active on game day. These he will almost certainly make the roster. He is very athletic, but he hasn't really proven himself as, as a wide receiver yet despite being a first round pick. He just hasn't been a really great receiver for any of the teams. He's bet on. As far as just another UDF a who could be an impact player. It would be less than ideal. In fact, it would be almost a disaster situation. But I'll, I'll say Paul Adams at the offensive lineman at Missouri. He played right tackle for Mizzou. I think he he might in a pinch be able to play offense tackle in the NFL. He might be better inside at guard. But I think either way, if he is on the field than it is just not a good thing for the giants but considering their depth on the offensive line. He is his might be named to keep an eye on. It might not be a positive impact, but he would at least be an impact. And now I want to circle back around to we're, we're talking for with the lane Johnson, and how he really hates to block the undersized pass rushers three years. I've wanted the giants to draft just basically another OCU Muira just a kind of undersize pocket rocket of a pass rusher who can fire off the edge beat blockers with speed and just recap Vic in the backfield. So the guy was really actually excited to see on the field was Nate Harvey and undersized at drescher at ECU East Carolina. He's not a big guy really compact speed rusher. And he only had one year production at ECU. But that production was sixty one tackles twenty four and a half tackles for loss and twelve sacks. That's pretty good. Maybe he would have had to move inside to inside linebacker kind like Assan Rettig. But I also wouldn't hate to see the giants take a page out of the Vikings and Mike. Zimmer's playbook and beat, you're maybe a little bit more double Gat pressure. 'cause I always like this pressure packages. They're generally effective at just disrupting the offense even if rushers don't come the he would have been my guy, but he got injured this year. So I guess I'll just say Paul Adams. Yeah, Harvey would be interesting forty-three pressures pers- SimpliSafe positions twelve quarterback hits. There was some good production there. So we'll see. I think the giants especially on defense pretty young. So I think there is possibly a chance for the some guys to, to make. To make an impact. Just I don't see a guy of grant Haley's caliber on the field yet, but we'll see. We're still very early in the off season program. Next question from Joe Miller. Do you think that Ryan calmly can move ahead of BJ Goodson, on the depth chart by October? Sure, I mean if if he's good, I don't think the giants are stuck with anyone at linebacker right now. We just brought up in the previous episode we think possibly BJ Goodson, could take over Alex Ogle Tris role, so I could see goods and taking over for Ogle tree, I could see Conley taking over for Goodson. I think that is definitely a position where whoever is playing the best and shows the qualities that the giants are looking forward to be on the field. Whoever just puts them in the best position to win at that position. I think that's going to be the guy who gets on the field. So I could see being there shore. Yeah. Right now Goodson is still a starter. Davis nickel linebacker. Goodson and Alica will tree or the starters. But that's a position where kind of anything can happen. I've. In pretty vocal. My supportive Goodson. I think he's honestly the giants best linebacker, but he also isn't one of the current regime's guys he's a holdover from. Jerry Reese in Ben mcadoo and Steve Spagnolo. So, you know, it's possible they just might want their die there. Hopefully Connelly will be able to cover better for the giants than he did for Wisconsin, but. That could also come down to just Wisconsin's scheme in coaching. So something we'll just have to see by October. I, I don't know maybe if there's a change made there, either with Goodson supplanting old tree, or Kali moving ahead of tavis or whatever I'm not sure we might not see that before the bye week, but it could have. Yeah, I totally see it. I don't think the giants are locked in at linebacker for as new beat the OJ contract is some cost right now. There's not a lot. They can do he's going to go in as the starter. But if he's not playing well. I don't see any hesitation to take him off the field. I in the same thing for Goodson, obviously, the giants are not super beholden to Goodson because he was taken off the field at some point last year. So I think that, that whole linebacker thing is probably more up for grabs than than we would expect at this. Point. So I think even through training cramp. I think we can probably start to see how that death is going to play out. So we have a one more question. That is from Patrick Chamberlain. Thank you, Patrick for the questions. If you could take any pets giant other than LT, who isn't still active. So that's going to be not still active, assuming they're in their prime and put them on the current Rosser, who would you choose? And why I'll let you take this one. I okay it just talking about linebackers. I'm tempted to say, Harry, Carson or Carl banks because they were excellent would Bill Belichick says something says that Harry Carson is the best player he ever coached that is damn high praise and considering the state of the giants linebacking core. I wouldn't blame anyone who said either one of those two guys, I think I'm actually going to go for Plaxico Burress as we said. A ton even in this podcast already, we've said it avant, the giants need to get a downfield threat who can scare defenses keep them from stack in the box against saquon Barkley, and they also just don't really have a ton of also proven receivers with size and athleticism. Which, yes, both of those things are overrated. But you do want some variety in your receiving core emanating room, isn't undersized. Tight end sterling Shepard end golden tater undersized receivers. They could use a power forward or center, just to steal basketball parlins, which I'm not even sure why I don't really watch basketball, but just having a player like plaques in the lineup could completely open things up. And also the giants definitely had the eagles number when they had burst so that. Would also be nice to have back. Yeah. That's definitely a good place to go. That's now we're always thinking Bill probably should think offense at some point because I think it's more important, but the way I was leaning, and I think the way by first instinct was to just go to Michael Strahan. I think his game probably translates really well to what the game now is, I think, would in his prime Strahan or whittle a little boy, slim little more athletic than he was at thirty six when we saw on the two thousand seven a Rosser, but at in his prime Michael Strahan. The you can line him up on the edge. You can have him be. I think Kim as a stand up linebacker and a three or four would be pretty scary. I think and then you I think you could switch him inside. I think that would happen more than it would back when he was playing. So I think he is the dominant pass rusher would open up a lot for. The other guys they have it would take it would take the pressure off Renzo Carter we'd take the pressure off markets. Golden would take the pressure off. Shane Zimmer says, so I think eventually take the pressure off the secondary because you have that pass rusher who's probably going to get to the quarterback of consistently, which is something I don't think the giants have right now. So I think taking a prime Michael Strahan, and putting him on the edge probably helps the defense out more than probably any other single player does except for LT. Who we could not take. Yeah. Screw it. Breaking the rules. Lt. Yeah. Approve of. Yeah. Obviously, that would be the place to go. It's crazy. How in I think any era of defense, he would fit and possibly board now than he even did then which is which is crazy and just shows just how special he was as a player. So that is all the questions we have. Thank you for everyone, who sent in questions throughout the summer would probably do more of these mailbags, especially if we're on content and trying to figure out what to talk about that, hopefully will will be doing more of them, because if we're getting news during the summer between mini camp and training camp. It is never good. Yeah. We don't wanna talk about bad news. That's probably true. Also. So we are going to end this episode here, you can get this podcast, wherever you get your podcast, please rate and review. If you have not keep bringing those five star ratings and positive reviews they've been helping us out, and they've been. Coming in. So thank you for those who have done that you can find our work on big, review dot com. 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Retiring Pro Football Hall of Fame executive director Joe Horrigan

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

59:43 min | 1 year ago

Retiring Pro Football Hall of Fame executive director Joe Horrigan

"Yeah. Welcome to the Peter King podcast. I tell you a little bit about the NFL and maybe a little bit too about life, and this week, it's going to be a special podcast because not only my going to have Joe Horrigan who just retired as the great historian of the pro football hall of fame and the man who according to John Madden knows more about professional football than any personal live, Joe Horrigan retired this month at age sixty seven I am going to do an exit interview with Joe Horrigan and we're going to have a lot of fun talking to Joe Horrigan, but first, a few thoughts about kind of an emotional day for me and emotional week. This is my last podcast for cadence thirteen. Many of you followed me for the last three years, and I really appreciate all of you who have done that following me to this podcast with my friends at cadence thirteen. This is my last podcast for cadence thirteen when I moved to NBC sports, fulltime, a year ago at the end of my contract at cadence thirteen NBC had told me that, hey, we're probably gonna want you to come and bring your podcast to us. So starting next month in mid July, I will be doing a podcast at NBC sports dot com. Hopefully, you'll come along with me. But that's not what this is about right here. I wanted to just reminisce just a little bit about my three years with these alternate great professionals at cadence thirteen. In fact, Chris Corcoran, who has been my boss. Cadence asked me to come over when I was still at Sports Illustrated, and Chris was the ultimate professional. He's a guy who knows the podcast business, so well at the time I was doing my podcast at Sports Illustrated for another company, and Chris came in and convinced me. And convince the people at Sports Illustrated that they were the ones to handle my podcast and everything that he said every single thing that he said he would do he did. And over the last three years, he and my producer for these shows Bob tablet, or. Have essentially taught me the podcast business. You know, Chris and Bob gave me some equipment. So when I would travel on the road at training camp, and I've done several games sort of live games that we turned into podcasts when, when they when we would do that. I never in my life traveled with, you know, a couple of microphones and my my tape recorder before. But they taught me how to do that. They taught me how to make everybody sound right in the middle of locker room how to hold the microphone close so you don't get a lot of you don't get a lot of lousy noise in there. But more than that, they basically taught me how to do a professional podcast. And I'm really, really grateful to them. I want to just tell a couple of stories about. What fun this is been working for cadence? And what fun it's Ben to really learn the podcast business over the last three years. So tell you one story Bob tablet, or my producer over the last three years. And I kind of got this idea, wouldn't it be fun to do some live games to actually go to games and figure out how to do a podcast at a game you interview, some people afterwards. And you know, I would do maybe six or eight interviews. I would do a couple of here. I am at Lincoln financial field. Remember we did a Monday night game with Washington and Philadelphia and afterwards all the median Philadelphia's looking at me because I'm over in the corner and I've got Carson Wentz and then I've got Doug Peterson. This is in the middle of their, their Super Bowl run. But I've got these guys alone. And so what was so interesting about doing these podcasts is basically, I would then transmit these interviews to Bob, tablet or, and I would essentially it would be that was a Monday night game. It would be may be to forty five AM in the press box at Lincoln financial field, I would have transmitted the interviews and I would go and find some very quiet spot where I'm not a bothering all the writers who are writing on deadline. Probably wasn't to forty five probably one forty five, and so I remember I did all of my sort of my bridges and my writing I sat down and wrote stuff, and I did it all in a stairwell at Lincoln financial field because I was conscious about really not disturbing the guys on deadline. I didn't want to be one of those radio guys who sat in a press box and said here we are Lincoln financial field and we've the eagles have just beaten. Washington, because that, that disturbs, everybody trying to write their stories. So I mean this is amazing. I probably would finish transmitting all of my stuff to Bob maybe at three fifteen. I would get in my car, and I drive back to my home in New York. And I'd go to sleep. I'd be exhausted. It'd be about five thirty and I would get up and I'd have about ten or fifteen comments on Twitter. Hey, love your podcast. Listen to it on the way to work. I mean think about that. I got this stuff to Bob, and it'll buy I don't know four or five o'clock, and he invented a podcast, so those were those are fun days. And I think what I really liked about that is that I am convinced that what we have to do in our business is, we have to give people information and interviews and stories where they can receive. Leave them. Okay. So if for instance, there's an eagles fan who wakes up and has a forty minute commute, you know, either by train, or by car, he doesn't have to wait to read the, you know, the Philadelphia daily news, Philadelphia Inquirer. Whatever his his morning paper is he can get a similar thing. Plus, he can hear twenty minutes of Doug Peterson and twelve minutes of Carson Wentz. And he can actually hear their voices talking to them about the big play of last night. And so, I learned a lot from that, that there are so many ways to tell stories in this business. And I thought that was just a tremendous fun educational for me and for listeners, and I really enjoyed that. I'll tell you my other story that I'll never forget doing this. And that is a week after the New England Atlanta Super Bowl when Tom Brady allowed me to. Interrupt his vacation in the middle of nowhere Montana. One of the loveliest places I've ever been to in my life. He just didn't want the exact location publicized. But, but anyway, so I went and met him. He had been skiing that morning and I went and met him. And we sat together for think it was about eighty six minutes. He held the microphone I held another microphone. And we just had a conversation about the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. And quite honestly, with what was on the line, in my opinion, the greatest comeback in football history, coming back from being down twenty eight to three in the Super Bowl, basically, with whatever twenty minutes to go in the game in Brady scored on every possession, the rest of the way and obviously, the patriots ended up winning Super Bowl. So I sat there with Brady and he just relived everything I had done my homework. Work. I knew exactly what to ask them. I knew some specific things because I had worked the locker room after the game. And so I knew quite a bit of what was going on. And, and I found something out that day that if you know, a lot going into the story going into talking to, you know, a player a key guy in a game if he knows that he's not just talking on the surface about stories that he knows that you know why certain things happened in that game than he is going to open up even more and it was truly one of the most fun interviews that I have ever done. And so what was cool about it is that we turned it into a two part podcast. And I also turned it, basically into a two-part column when I was still at Sports Illustrated, the m QB, but what I'll always remember about it is that so the internet. Service of in that area of the world is not good. And I had to drive about thirty miles before I could see any bars on my smartphone. And so Finally, I got into a little village, maybe about thirty minutes outside, and I was really worried because, you know, part of this podcast was gonna have to be we're going to have to sort of put this together, and I had to write my column to I to right? Eight thousand words. So, and it was maybe five o'clock in the afternoon out in Montana. So I had two of my staffers at the M QB, Kaelin keilor and Emily Kaplan, ready to transcribe the first half of this podcast for my column on Monday. So I found a little restaurant that had wifi and I was able to transmit it to them. I was able to transmit. Mitt the, the podcast Bob Tavender. And so he got it ready to be put out in podcast form and Calin and Emily without being paid without just because this was part of the job, they transcribed that afternoon each about forty minutes of tape. And by the time I sat down about five hours later where I was in position where I really needed that they, they had sent me every word of what Tom Brady said. And so it was the alternate example of teamwork and then the podcast came out, and what was so interesting about it is I was at the league meetings, NFL league meetings about six weeks later and Jason Garrett. The Cowboys stopped me in the hallway at the league meetings. And he said, I just wanna tell you. Your podcast with Tom Brady. I had everybody on my coaching staff, listen to that podcast because I said, this is what excellence is all about this is when you listen to Tom Brady speak, and you listen to how passionate he is about what he doesn't his job. You know, that is something, I'll never forget a lot of people in the league, listen to that. And anyway, it was just kind of cool thing. So this has been a great education over the last three years with a great company. Cadence thirteen. I'm not just I'm not blowing smoke. I'm serious. I never could have become remotely competent at podcasting without their help without Chris, corker in bringing me on board without the entire staff here, but particularly Bob tablet, or my producer who you know, I don't know. He's a great guy and he is done. Great, great work for. Me and I'll always be grateful to both of those guys for teaching me the podcast business. Now my conversation with Joe Horrigan. Back on the Peter King podcast. So happy to be joined by a man of leisure, Joe Horrigan who has just retired after forty two years as what I call the keeper of the flame pro football's historian, John Madden says that no one knows more about the National Football League and pro football in general than Joe Horrigan. Joe joined the pro football hall of fame in nineteen seventy seven as a curator and historian, and he basically climb the ladder to the executive director of the pro football hall of fame retired on June. First and. Just a couple of things about Joe and sort of the job that he did for those who follow the pro football hall of fame and follow, particularly the election. The selection process for the pro football hall of fame. I've been a selector for almost thirty years, and Joe that whole time, basically has been when we get in that room on the Saturday before the Super Bowl every year, Joe, basically combines roles is the guy who reminds us all of the what I'd call the Robert's rule of rules of order for the pro football hall of fame. What can be used what, what shouldn't be used and he's also just an encyclopedic guy about all things pro football. But anyway, I wanted to get Joe in and I'm gonna do. Do what I might call an exit interview with Joe Horrigan, and I'm very, very happy to have him, Joe. Thank you eater. I'm so happy to be with you. And you know, I never thought of it before. But I may have performed a bureaucrat miracles getting forty six members of video of follow Robert's rules. Well, as you know, what's so interesting about that day Joe. Why don't we start there? You know, I, I have been it has been one of the honors of my professional life to sit in that room with such a. You know, such a such an important job and the gravity of the job is never lost on me, because I realize what entering the pro football hall of fame means. But I wonder if you could describe to people listening your role on the Saturday before the Super Bowl when we have an eight nine ten hour pro football hall of fame selection meeting, and what's it like in that room? For me. Peter, as you know, you know, the selection process for the hall of fame as year round process. We do reduction voting in all the way through the, the year prior to the meeting. But the, the, the work that goes into it the final results, and really the rubber hits the road in that meeting at so important. Unlike most socks and processes, not just for sports. But other honors rarely do you have that many people for sure that actually meet and debate, the merits of the candidates? So in that room, you know, you've got a lot of emotion. Got guys and, and women that are emotionally attached to somebody's candidates in the sense of, you know, they covered their careers, they know them personally, and they have, you know, some some skin in the game this in a sense. Right. And then there's also that the fact that, you know, everybody talks about in that room know we're going in with eighteen finalists three. Let's start with the fifteen modern era finalists than. Rotating? Off even year to contributors than one senior to seniors one computer with any case, there was eighteen finalists, you know, we say that the bar is so high who's gonna come out of this, you know, this, it group of eighteen and I always think to myself, you know, the bar is based on those eighteen in the room. It's the guys that are already elected to the hall of fame, that's where the bar set. So these guys in the room are among the elite of the game being considered to join the best ever. So that is a really, really tough thing for you. Guys to determine decide. And to me, I use this story all the time Peter, and I think it really to me, summarize, what I think you guys feel and that was years ago, lend Pasco, I'm sorry, munch appear. And I were walking out limbo time Washington Post sportswriter, and at the time were eat. We're walking out he felt that we have elected a full slate because, as you know, we don't know the results until the accountants, hands, the, which we open. A live television. But any case, we're walking out of the room together, and lend says bigger Joe ISIS? I should feel really good. I think we just elected, eight people to the pro football hall of fame, I feel terrible. We left ten behind, and that to me kinda summarizes, the dilemma that you're, you're going through while you're in there, trying to stow, the greatest honor pro football has on select group, the emotion and the in the emotional drain that ten our meeting is such that you can't really fully appreciate how good you're making the ones that are elected feel because you're kinda focused on the ones that got left behind it. Perhaps even your guys so to speak that you disappointed in that respect. So it's a really mixed emotion day. And as you know, there's a lot of back and forth on, you know, whether it's the timing is riper particular candidate or should he fall further behind the queuing. There's all sorts of things to be considered. So it's. The motion rotation. We don't get any breaks during that meeting. You know, when we do, it's, it's, you know, gosh, feel exhausted, you know, I- Joe, what I try to tell people and I'm glad you brought up Len Shapiro over the years, I, because I believe that. And look, there's a lot of different sort of philosophies about when people leave the room, some members of the, the, the forty eight selectors some will openly say, yes, here's the guy voted for. I did not vote for this guy. And so, and I always felt that if people asked me, I am happy to tell him, I think I know it to them to say, I voted for Tony Boselli over Steve Hutchinson or whatever, whatever it is. Okay. And so for a few years, I did not vote for Art Monk and. And I told people exactly why I just felt like when I covered the NFC st- for four years in the this was in the glory days of Gibbs parcels in Washington, and New York, and Dallas and, and all that. And, and I, I just always will remember that the New York Giants, they really weren't that concerned about Art, Monk hair, concerned about Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders. Those are the guys that they really end whoever the running back was they had a few of them. And so I said that, that says something to me, and I know he caught a lot of balls and everything, but I'm, I'm not on site. And so one year, I had been very bullish on the candidacy of Harry Carson, the middle linebacker, the giants. Because I was around that team all the time, and I saw how important Harry Carson was to that team on the field and off. I always thought he was almost like a second defensive coordinator next Bill Belichick. So I'll never forget this. You know, one year during the meeting, you know, we're not allowed to talk about what we say in the meetings, but, but lend Shapiro came up to me afterwards. And he said, you know how you always talk about Harry, Carson. And how many things he did other than just play middle linebacker. He you know, he was the leader on the field during the week. He was the most important guy in that locker room. And he was so important to that little mini giants dynasty. With everything that he did. And I said, yeah, that's, that's my fervent belief and lend. Shapiro said to me that is exactly what Art Monk was to Washington. And so I I've always prided myself on the fact that. I never say never about any candidate whether it be Ray guy or Art Monk, or any of the guys over the years, who why haven't really supported, you know, initially. And, and so I changed my vote. I ended up voting for Art Monk. But I tell that story, only because my belief and Joe you can speak to what it was like in the late seventies early eighties. I was not a voter, then but I've heard stories over the years that there was definitely a couple of blocks in their, the old AFL media guys, and the NFL media guys, and the AFL said, well, listen, if you guys aren't voting for Len Dawson. We're not voting for Bart star. And I, I'm just I'm exaggerating. I don't I don't know or any of that. But, but essentially, I've heard those stories and you know what I say, I, I don't. See that, you know, that's true. And you know, peer that the truth of the matter is, and I say this with all respect for the selectors over the years, but as the game became more sophisticated, and I say sophisticated in the sense that it's really has, you know, they just call it, you know, the, the evolution of the game has evolved to the point where we get to see as point this out here. You can see any pro football game anytime, anywhere is available in so many platforms in the early years. You know, you have a, you know, in our daily come from Green Bay. And frankly, the only games are soft. We're Green Bay Packer games because he traveled with the team during the season. He was the home games during the you know, obviously the rest of the season. So during the course of the season, the opponents, he was he certainly. But if they were AFC team, he sure is acting see them. So there wasn't that solid same. Base of, of observation, you know, the eye bolt has we call it right. That there is today. So the were more if you if you would biases you know, because you were limited in terms of what you saw firsthand the highlight clips. So I, I really think that the selectors have an advantage today, because they do you have pro football twenty four seven three hundred sixty five days a year. So the opportunity to get a fair judgment on the candidates as much better. So when you had, you know, particularly AFL NFL real years after the merger there were still some wounds to be healed between the media that represented the two rival leagues. And there were the biases because they were, you know, writing at one weight. And frankly one league didn't watch the other league nearly as much you know. So yeah, some of that went on. We always tried even back then to try to. Eliminate as best we could you can't legislate minds, but you can set ground rules and say, look, it's up to you to do your homework to listen to observe and to as best you can be impartial. It's a difficult thing to do. It's easy to say but I just summary. I guess what? I'm trying to say is that today because of the evolution of technology and the game in the way they're linked together that the litmus test if you will is much. I'm with Joe Horrigan, the outgoing executive director of the pro football hall of fame worked at the hall for forty two years. Joe in nineteen ninety two I believe it was, I was still pretty much greenhorn at Sports Illustrated. And I was asked in one off season early on in my career there will if I would like to basically take my off season to write a pro football history, book that Sports Illustrated with then us as a in those days, it was called a subscription premium sign up to get sl for two years. And you get this pro football history book. So we're going to do all the research and writing one year, and then the following year it was going to be out. So I said, man, I would love to do it and you're paying me to go sit in the archives in. Canton. Ohio for six days, soak up every bit of knowledge that, that I can, and it was almost like taking a masters class in pro football history in part because you were the professor, you were the one who basically showed me, okay? Look, you wanna know what happened with, you know, the founding of professional football in nineteen. Twenty here's all the documents we have on it. Here's some old stories about it from the canton, repository in nineteen twenty here's it, you know, blah, blah, blah. And you would you'd just basically shepherded me all the way through, and I remember going back home and telling people at Sports Illustrated. I said, I, I mean you know, there's a lot of research material there. But what was really amazing was really how much Joe Horrigan knows that either. It. Wasn't written down anywhere. But and if it was I couldn't find it. But, but I said, this guy's amazing. He knows more about professional football than anybody, and so- Joe, I really want you just cert- approve this. I feel like you know, I'm. You know, I'm, I'm sort of put you on the spot a little bit here. But you told me a story back then about a road trip that the Green Bay Packers took I believe in nineteen thirty late in the season in which they played the New York Giants, the Frankford yellow jackets. The precursor to the Philadelphia Eagles. Frankford was a, a little town outside of Philadelphia. And also, they played a team on Staten Island and you told me about this road trip of a professional sports team. And I simply couldn't believe it, so I'm gonna give you the floor. And I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you to tell America about the Green Bay Packers road trip late in the nineteen thirty season. You know what's great about that is it was very typical of what was going on in mostly more in the in the twenties, but a little later, because Frank for was playing in Pennsylvania which had blue laws, which meant they didn't play football pro football on Sundays. So they would play on Saturdays. So you had a team like the Packers and again, they were even small market in the day era of the small bark and NFL that would travel and they could pick up a game in Frankfurt on a Saturday and then move on and hit New York for a game or two in the case of Staten Island jump jump across and play a game with the giants re really came down to getting that Saturday game followed by a Sunday game followed by the next week again maybe a Saturday game against another blue laws team or Sunday game. So that's, that's really what was going on. And it wasn't uncommon and you even had traveling. Versus the Chicago Bears. This is a getting off track a little bit. But the Chicago Bears rarely went on the road back that they would stay at home in play their games home games because this small city teams could make more money, traveling to the large venue in Chicago than to have the bears come to them and play in their, you know, their twenty five hundred liters. So that was really what was going up back in those days looking at the schedule finding those teams that had similar similar circumstances. A one of the ways of doing it was Pottsville, which was in Pennsylvania's, well, pasta and Frankfurt teams would come in and play them back to back. Saturday Sunday and then go back home on a Sunday night and you know, pick up their, their schedule back home. So it wasn't unusual thing. Peter, it was just one of those ways the NFL up, they had traveling teams that didn't play at home at all the Duluth eskimos played rarely home the ring Indians in two years, played one home game and it really wasn't old game. They did have a home field. They played in the neighboring larour Hieaux. So it was just just the way it was it was. Do you, do you remember the, the little the little stories of 'bout about weapon about how they traveled and, and about how you told me this one story? They were playing in Staten Island on a Sunday. And they took a bus to the Staten Island ferry. They, they took the ferry across right? And pick up the story. Well, you know, and they would again, we think of, of stadium's locker rooms and everything was in uniform. Right. You know, travel uniform, and then when the ferry had to walk it was what we're you know, they didn't have travel Joe. I looked it up Joe. I looked it up and that field was approximately one mile from the Staten Island ferry. So imagine they got. On the Staten Island, the Green Bay Packers got on the Staten Island ferry in uniform, and when, when the ferry gut to the doc on Staten Island, they got off and they all walked one mile to the field. They played the game. And they walked back to the Staten Island ferry waited for it got the train back, our got the gut the ferry back, took a bus back to their hotel and the next day that was that, that was the last game of their three day road trip. The other part of it that you told me that was absolutely hilarious. Is that when they went and played in Frankford, they I think you told me this, or I might have read it, but they dressed in a firehouse in Frankfurt and, and then and went over to the field and played after dressing in a firehouse right near the field. We'll give you one bit of the Frankford yellow jackets. You know, we all know the Green Bay Packers or publicly team will. So with the Frankford yellow jackets, they were sponsored by the Frankfurt American Legion. They were nonprofit team, the revenues went right back into three different charities. But all sponsored by the American Legion. And there was a wooden Bleacher stadium actually caught fire at one point. So yeah, it it was a different time. Peter. And you know what when we talk about walking that mile walking back, I can guarantee you manager, the Packers kirwin that boat which probably carrying the gate receipts with them, too. Support for the Peter King podcast comes from wicks dot com. 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I became convinced that you cannot talk about the top ten players in NFL history. Without talking about three players from the first twenty five years of NFL history. Number one Sammy Baugh in nineteen I think forty two. He led the National Football League in passing in punting, and as a safety pin interceptions. So if you talk about a great year that somebody had like, oh my God. Dan Marino threw for five thousand eighty four yards. Big deal. I mean Sammy ball at the NFL at passing punning and defensively in interceptions one year. So he's one. My second. One is Otto Graham. And again, this, this is a little bit beyond the first twenty five years, because this goes to the first thirty five years, because he started his professional football career in the mid forties, and played only ten years. But what I always say to people, they say, why do you rank auto Graham so high I always say because he played professional football for ten years in each one of the ten years. He quarterbacked his team to the championship game and his team won the championship game seven out of those ten years. And in addition, he led his league four out of those ten years in passing. And then finally, Don Hudson, a wide receiver who when he retired in the twenty fifth season of professional football history when he retired he had caught three times as many passes for three times as many yards for three times, as many touchdowns as any receiver in the first twenty five years of pro football and his record of ninety nine touchdown catches was not broken for forty four years until Steve large broke it in nineteen eighty nine and Joe they're still records that have been broken. He had twenty nine and a quarter once. Well, when you start saying that even the great Jerry Rice hasn't broken all on Hudson's records yet. You're saying a lot. But you and I have those same three and I throw another guy in there is is one of the guys that has one of the most versatile players ever to play the game. I'm not sure I put him in, you know, the top three all time, but I just love this guy's versatility. And that was built Dudley. He also was like Sammy ball, won the triple crown for his case he was a halfback but he won. The league is in nineteen forty six for NFL rushing interceptions and punt returns, but he actually had a fourth category, which she led, which is easy. Only player ever have done this to lead and forced physical categories. And that was in lateral passes attempted. It's not even in the record book anymore because they'll be used us. The lateral pass as the tick. But the other. Thing that I would mention about Bill is Bill scored during his career nine different ways, and most people came to name nine ways in which you can score, but he scored rushing passing. Receiving kickoff return punt return fumble recovery gonna draw blank. Interceptions. And what did I skip? What about safety? No be never had a safe. The only way he did not score. You never have safety. The punt returns kick returns. I'm not even sure. It did. Yeah. You double recovery yet. Anyway, there's nine of them and I usually read a little off. But I'm drawing Lincoln were which ones. I mentioned that didn't mention so you talk about versatility. He was that. Now Sammy Baugh. You know, again, you know, this is a guy that played both a t formation, a single win so that to his credentials. Well, and, you know, auto Graham I grew up, my father was a sportswriter and covered the all America Football Conference out of buffalo. We worked for the United Press and growing up as a kid, I thought two people walked on water auto Graham, and Mary motley just from the stories my father would tell, but I don't know who I did get to know pretty well, one of these guys that was just a in addition to a big a great leader. You know you mentioned ten seasons ten championship games. He was such a great student of the game. And such a see the perfect quarterback for Paul Brown. Oh, jeez. Yes. Because he. He loved it. Hated told Brown because auto was a perfectionist. And so it was Paul. And you put two perfectionist together, and there's going to be conflict. What would I say about what would auto say? In his later years of Paul, he would say, you know, he would say things like Paul Brown. You know, I you know, I love the guy but, you know, you know, he just didn't let me do this, or do that or whatever. But, you know is he would be he would remind himself, but we want so must have been a good relationship. Paul was not an emotional guy in the sense of the warm and fuzzy guy and I think that's what was maybe searching for a little bit. A little more. Go Jolla auto slap on the back. Right. And that wasn't his demeanor at all. That's what people have told me that, that Chuck knoll and Paul Brown were a lot of like in that way. You know, then no, you're never gonna get. Hey, great job. Huzzah, wonderful. Yep. Well, you know, the, the one variation in that I think it when Paul Brown showed emotion and not publicly, but later reflection, I think yeah was in nineteen fifty one, the all America Football Conference, which Paul began his career with the Cleveland Browns and forty six they were competing against the National Football League for four years and the Browns under Paul won the league title four consecutive years. Well, their first game after they merged with the NFL nineteen fifty was going to be against two-time, reigning, NFL, champions, the Philadelphia Eagles, now Paul Brown tried to downplay this people were calling it the World Series of football September sixteen I think of Saturday night first game of the year. Yeah. And, and fact, they even it was the only game being played on Saturday night to open season because they know Bert bell to cushion new, the great attention would draw having these two champions compete against each other. And I'm sure. Bell was hoping that the Philadelphia Eagles would win. Not only was he the founder of the Philadelphia Eagles before he became the Commissioner. But he was the Commissioner of the league that, that the all in Philadelphia. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So, you know, all that setting up this scenario where Paul Brown is coming in Mr. shoe, -bility. You know anybody can win in, you know, we don't know if we're gonna even get blown off the fear, but we're gonna go out. We won't bears or something he knew he was gonna win Paul Brown. In a got a hold of a scouting films and watch the gays eagles played took every play the and dissect it and ran the guys ragged preparing for this game where greasy Neale that coach the eagles probably took the Brown's a little too lately, and any case they went out and they manhandled the eagles and one now for Paul Brown. Do you know this is where supposedly and I can't verify this Peter, but this is supposedly where they act like you've been there before remark was me. Was after that game as he said, you know, to the players in the locker room control yourself. He'll act like gentlemen, play, we've been here before which they had those champions, but any case, you know, he controlled himself until reflecting later. And he was saying that, that game at more to him because have after four years of being called minor leaguers, by the NFL the taken to lately by the eagles and being put on Saturday night in the in the hopes I'm sure he was thinking that they would get manhandled by the NFL says it was just the most rewarding gaming ever played and then went onto win NFL championship that you're too is the Los Angeles Rams making all all the more sweet Joe. How much there's no coach Bill Belichick. Admires more in NFL history, than Paul Brown. How much are they alike? You know, there's, there's a real similarity in their demeanor. You know, they take their trade very, very seriously. They're great prepares. You know, they Bill Belichick, visit anything he hasn't seen thought about or prepare for Paul Brown was the same way add to that Paul even came up with the innovations that were later adapted by the league. He had radio receivers his quarterback's helmet nineteen fifty four and it was ruled illegal, but, you know, so he was he was a head of the curve on Costa quarterback communication. You know, he just did things always looking at the getting the at, and I think, Bill tick is the same way and you know, you'll, you'll find that, you know, criticism is often leveled against great competitors. And I think that might have been the case with Bill and Paul that folks fell victim to their preparation, and they're looking for that edge might have misinterpreted. It's. Sometimes the other thing have is cute story of mentioned out, grim, Paul Brown and one of the players that was on Brown's squad. Was this young guy from John Carroll university? Don shula. He was defensive back and only two rookies made the Browns squad that year was Carl taffeta and Don Shula. And they were both from John Carroll and it was during the training camp. Don Shula's, worried. He's not gonna make the team and he's trying real hard to oppress, his coach who doesn't show emotion, and he's out there on the play playing field. And the play is coming at him. Marrying motley carrying the ball, Paul Brown. Standing behind the office of backfield watch and motley as, as a load and pull broker. Sorry tells the story I see Mutley coming at, you know, picking oh my God. Please help me so he says I've made a decision take him head on is just. Buried my head just Rodham down. Tackling was so proud of myself, I jumped up as in Paul Brown yells out, nice tackle tests. It's still is Shula to which Brown and only Brown could say at the way he did. And said, I'll try to remember that Shula. That's excellent. That really is good. You know, think about it. You know, Chuck knoll Don Shula coming out of the, you know, the Paul Brown coaching tree and play or played for them. You know, you see whether their personalities developed you think about Shula in the pulled around this kind of the same way that rain area. I was always prepared very similar Joe. What's your favorite era, in pro football history? You know, mind is, was the twenties because it was a call virgin territory when I started here at the hall really nothing that very seriously documented. So it was a lot of going back and recreating standing that the league I actually had them add teams to their to the rosters that they didn't even know where members of the National Football League. So, you know, that was, you know, just how meetings, give me an example of how you're able to do that. Take me into the fact finding how it happened. And you know there's a difference between team in a franchise. You know, a franchise the right to operate is basically certificate. And what I did is I was fortunate enough to get a full set of the NFL's meeting minutes, which, you know, had been looked at and studied and I went through each of, at the meetings, they would they would be summaries would be detailed meeting minutes, but they would list the attendees, and they would also stipulate you know, franchises applied for an entry into the into the NFL and has accepted. Well, then you would go out, and that would be your primary source you go back out and find the secondary support of that. And, you know, you go to find the usually small towns paper, which these teams came from and indeed, they were team or league members, the tunnel wanna car decks played one game in the National Football League. But we're granted a franchise. The league no idea they existed. They're, you know, others that they had Muncie. I believe it was that they the missed in nineteen twenty. So it was, you know, it was just going back and. Putting it together. And no. The Washington senators another team that existed the New York Giants before the New York Giants that we're familiar with. They were all granted franchises in played games in, in the NFL. But what was confusing? The first year that the NFL had a record book thanking thirty four. So the league around since nineteen twenty so they were going back and kind of painting things together. And, and if the team didn't finish the season, it looked as though they had never been a member. Where, where in fact, they were so it was just a matter of taking time, pre putting the pieces of the puzzle together, but it was always, you know, my favorite ever to look at, and it was such a romantic era, too. We're talking about the warring twenties red Grange coming into pro football and what, you know, dynamic shift that caused and the popularity of the sport and teams like, you know, the Chicago Bears George Halas it was the it was the most in my mind. The most romantic. I'll use that word again era pro football in the sense that they were young sportsmen owners who were trying to make a go of it some failed. Some Joe is you sit back now. And think back of all the people all the men have entered the pro football hall of fame. Who was say the most emotional, the most grateful the happiest when he got in the pro football hall of fame. Well, you know, there's so many people, it's so hard over Ford. Twitter's single out any one person you've seen it, even, you know, in the quote, Alex Karras as book, even big guys cry. You know, it was it is the case. And so often you see, but there were in typically the guys that are probably the most emotion at the emotional time are the ones that weeded longer typically senior candidate who gets elected and mean so much to them. But I've seen it a kind of reverse itself to where a player like gene Hickerson, who was elected to the hall of fame and was in the state of dementia at the time when his teammates, Jim Brown, LeRoy Kelly Bobby Mitchell, who gene Hickerson their lead blocker when they pushed him in there is wheelchair up to the podium to acknowledge the of the crowd gene suddenly looked up and saw. His son and acknowledged that he recognized. That was in emotional moment for me that, you know, there was, you know for the three guys that appreciate a jeans, you know work on the field for them. It was really emotional. So there there were great moments like that, that, you know, I look back unfortunately, I know Jean-Philippe reshaped, what was going on. But the see him, all of a sudden recognizes Saad that moment and those three guys that he blocked for, for so many years and made them hall of famers. That was really, really moving. You remember the old receiver for the eagles? Tommy mcdonald. How happy he was Tommy, Tommy was gosh. I was telling the story that two days ago, but Tommy was such an emotional guy. Where's emotions on the when we call them we used to call them live on a, you know, NFL network. And if they were in the Super Bowl city, we bring out of the set, and, you know, at the press conference he'd be there will wasn't in the Super Bowl, so we call him at his home. And we put him on speakerphone. And I thought I dialed a fax machine because it was a square with number. But that it was him crying. But then when he comes canton, you know, for his enshrinement ceremony, he's backstage with me, and, you know, this is get the front steps of the hall of fame walks. He's walking toward he's got this big grocery bag with something in it. And I said, Tommy oh, it's surprises. I don't like surprises. Don't surprise, please nonetheless, he goes out there with grocery bag and one of his term to step to the podium. He pulls out of his grocery bag, a big, boom box, and he puts it on the podium, a his play the BG's and staying alive to which he starts dancing to stage paying. I'm staying alive on, you know. And he says the crowd is no I've been said, I've got great hands. So he picks up his bronze bust, which weighs about thirty pounds. Throws it up and catches it does that twice. And each time he goes, my heart in my mouth. So he then proceeds to think he's going to chess Bom the rest of his classmates and going down. The line chess pooping with everybody, Mike, single Terry, it, the Anthony Munos, you know, six seven times five foot nine Anthony's chest is a lot higher. And when he bumped Anthony's waste. He flies backwards lands on his rear end. So that was Comey McDonald's show, and then he comes back stage and says, what did you think Tommy, first time you through the bust? I said a prayer that you would catch. It second time I said a prayer that it landed on your hit. He understood humor, so it was okay, but yeah, he was he was. I would call him a character, but a loving character the guy had nothing but appreciation for the game. And he just loved it. They have fun. And Lamar hunt was sitting in the front row. And I'm thinking, oh my goodness. Lamar's gotta think this is terrible. He said it was the best tribe. She ever saw. Wow. Joe one. One of thing I'm curious about. I've always thought that baseball has its baseball has its revered characters in history. Babe, Ruth, and Lou, Gehrig and tie Cobb. Maybe not revered. But at least extremely well known and football really is, never had the sort of reverence for history that particularly baseball has had maybe some other sports like boxing. So why is that? And what do you think will happen in this one hundred season of professional football to affect that? Well, here's way, I think it happens and we say it all the time football is the ultimate team sport. And as you know, if you're really a good teammate, then you're diverting. Attention and your cluding those that participate in making the team grade. So I think that the verts from some of the individuals stardom, if you will, that, that we have for some of the, you know, the grace of baseball, or boxing, or more indivi- individualistic, so I think that's part of the dilemma, plus we wear helmets and pro football see the guys and when I had mentioned earlier about, you know, how our selectors in the early days really only followed or so one or two teams or they one of their opponents on a regular basis baseball paid a lot more games. And so you saw a lot more teams and things like that. And, and frankly, was covered much more thoroughly by sports publications of the day. So that to me is why there aren't that many Connex stars of the game, I will then tell you that Johnny United's and Jim Rohn, you know, hushed the crowd in any. Room ever walked into, but they, they were the exceptions, you know, certainly Don Hudson. We're playing today he'd be much better known but still it would be talking about the quarterback. That's throwing the ball lineman were bucking for the quarterback because it is a team sport. Jorgen the spend a lot of fun. I appreciate it. Appreciate your friendship. And you're one of the great things about you, as a professional at your job is that you are. You're the, the definition of sort of a service, individual anytime. I would call anytime anyone of one hundred friends of mine who cover professional football would call you'd get back to him same day. And the encyclopedia would just sort of roll out of your mouth and anyway. I thought you had a really good. I was at your retirement dinner a month ago. And I thought you had a really interesting point to make, and I think it is absolutely totally true that, you know because John Madden had told me and he said to you the same thing. Hey, listen. You Joe Horgan can't retire. We can't replace them. We can't. I mean, there's nobody out there who has the institutional knowledge, Joe, you can't retire, which, obviously, John Madden said to you, and you said at your retirement dinner. I've got these guys who've been behind me and who've been with me, you know, for many years, and they're ready, they're ready to come off not even the bench, but they're ready to come off their, their roles and to now be a put into starring roles. And I thought it was. It's really not just an unselfish thing to say, but I think it's a realistic thing to say none of us live forever. None of us go on forever. And I thought that you were not only selfless in what you said, but also quite realistic. Trying to be sincere to the -portant thing with is the guys that, you know, that I work with every day here worked with. There's another ingredient that they have that will make them successful that is that they have a passion for the game. They have been here, a long time. These aren't rookies and the rookies left. You know, I need I didn't stay because have a passion to be here and to do what we do on a day-to-day basis, you have to love it, or you're not gonna succeed. So the fact that they've succeeded says to me that they love it, and they'll continue continue to carry the flame. And that's, that's a very good feeling for me because there's nothing more teachers are always most proud of their students, not what they accomplished not what the teachers accomplish. But what the teachers are with their students have. So that's, that's how I feel about these guys that are gonna, you know, you'll be calling them some day. Hopefully. Calling them next week. Next week. I want to replace it already. It's been a pleasure talking to you insert of debriefing you and I know we'll keep in touch, but all the best to you in retirement. Thank you very much. Patrons been such a pleasure working with you. All these years. Thanks to my guest. Joe Horrigan the outgoing executive director, the pro football hall of fame. If you enjoy this conversation, be sure to listen and subscribe to other great episodes in my podcast series such as my conversations with Tom Brady. Adam Schefter, an Roger Goodell, you can find these on apple podcast little play, or anywhere. You get your podcast and don't forget to leave a review while you're there. You can also hear the Peter King podcast on Sirius XM radio, every Saturday morning at seven eastern on mad dog sports radio. Sirius XM channel eighty two thanks the folks that cadence thirteen for their production work. And thanks. Of course, to my sponsor wicks, please support, wicks, the way they support this podcast and I'll see you soon.

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It's The Start Of A Special Week For NFL Fans

Boomer & Gio

00:00 sec | 7 months ago

It's The Start Of A Special Week For NFL Fans

"Good Morning boomer how are you? I'm Great Gio as we go through our Beta test for. Cbs Sports Network does well. This is going to be very interesting because I can see you as well as you could see me on our Dell computer laptops as we get ready this Get this test through to make sure that tomorrow or Wednesday when we do actually get back on the air we're gonNA look okay Are knows your background is much better than what I thought it was going to be. Good job on your part. You gotTa tree in there. You got to paintings or posters on the wall. Can't really see what the the I guess. They're back pages of us. That's right and I will move the camera. I'm getting text messages from the Great Stephen Waldron who I love very much. So and he's not great at decorating nor am I really but he is very good at knowing technical things about how to put this telecast on it. I'M GONNA have to move up my camera a little bit when I get an opportunity to do so in the breaking you'll be able to get a better look at it so you've got the Johan Santana back page of the The no hitter. And then you got me fighting with Mike. Francesa the back page of the Post that says fan duel there so when I moved the camera a little closer you get a better look at those two things. So that's what I have hanging on the wall and also a fake plant in Eddie. You're not looking at it so you don't know if it's not so you don't you don't even see any. I'm sure if you had a background. The Carl Sagan a labrador and a bottle of wine and that would suck so no. It's okay whenever it's fine. It's it's the best I can do quite in this room that is completely barren where I kind of hide and do the program because there's no other place to do it so then I taught us a tape measure to hang those. Just make sure that they were on the same plane and no whoever hung them seemed like they did a good job. It looks good. I mean again. It's it's a little little spartan I mean it's a you look like you're sitting right in between them so it's almost like you. Yourself are a field goal. Yeah Ryan Aid. Ri- figured the symmetry was was important to this whole thing. So that's what I sat and I had the equidistant pictures and then I'm right in the middle and then I a little offset it with this fake plant to my left so I did not measure it. I didn't go that crazy. Just SORTA eyeballed it because I figured it was temporary anyway. Let's hope it's temporary? Hope we go back to the studio at some point. Because me decorating studios not a forte not a forte at all and and I do understand that you look good there. You got some drapery as you mentioned in your barn photo in some some furniture there and all the good stuff that you told us you were going to have. So it homely where you are very nice homely homely or a very homely homely all right appreciate that so I was thinking last night as we get the draft week what my draft week was like and how nervous I was. I couldn't sleep any of these nights leading up to the draft and it's it's a change of life. It's a life dream. It's it's just everything that you could've ever hoped for an athlete now. Unfortunately I didn't go as high as I thought I was going to go. I didn't go until the thirty eighth pick remember. They're only twenty eight teams back when I was drafted in eighty four. So I was the tenth overall. Pick in the second round so and to. My teammates got drafted before me in the first round. Forget the university around. We had a press conference set up and everything was very nice of my teammates to wait for me before we got to the To the press conference and unfortunately the press conference was dominated was with. Why do you think you fell? Why do you think you fell? Think you fell and I did have a chip on my shoulder. You're talking about Tom. Brady having a chip on his shoulder having to wait until the sixth round. Well some of us even had chip chips on their shoulders. Bigger the net and only waiting until the second round. Yeah and it just goes to show you even though you have guys that are at the top of the draft that everybody thinks you know our can't miss guys you know you're still dealing with human beings and you know the interesting thing. I saw Peter King put out something this morning from NBC sports. He was saying that one of the interesting things about the job. Borough to the bengals draft pick come Thursday. Night is the fact. That Josh Rosen. The quarterback for the Miami Dolphins is still younger than Joe. Borough Yeah Right. Yeah I mean in Josh Rosen. Has already been through hell and back in the NFL being drafted by the Arizona cardinals then moving on from him. Drafting Kyle Murray going down to Miami. Getting an opportunity to play doesn't work out Ryan. Fitzpatrick is there and now. They're going to draft another quarterback. I mean what he's career is going to be. Just a mystery to me. But as far as quarterbacks falling in this drag which is an interesting thought we know Joe Boroughs Not GonNa Fall. We understand that two of my fault he may. There may be a chance that the two ends up falling now. Justin Herbert will he fall? We'll get past Miami. Miami passes on either two or Justin herber. But if you predict one of these quarterbacks to have his Aaron Rodgers moment where everybody's staring at him in the Green Room I guess it would probably be too will because of the injuries but I mean that's very very hard to predict right now. Well the good. The good news for two is that there's not going to be a green room but although I would imagine. Espn and NFL network will be cutting to him as if he is dropping. I I don't know but listen. Dan Marino dropped. Aaron Rodgers. Dropped a Lotta guys have dropped in the history of the draft and if two drops it wouldn't surprise me. I hope he doesn't I think he's a terrific Kennedy trick. Terrific football player. I think he's all about football. That's the thing that I love most about him that in his accuracy. I just I hope. All the injuries are behind him. I hope wherever he goes he goes to a stable situation much. Like Patrick Mahomes did one the Kansas City chiefs trade up to get him and when I think about you know Patrick Mahomes and how. He sat behind Alex Smith for year. Got The play. The one game at the end of the year where it didn't matter played well against the Denver Broncos it was obvious to everybody in that organization that he was the guy that was going to take over the next year and he certainly did. He hasn't had a bad game sense. As a matter of fact maybe the worst game he played where the first three quarters against that San Francisco Defense in last year Super Bowl but has not had a bad game ever in the NFL which is amazing. I don't know if that's going to be the case with any of these kids but I do know one thing about Tunga buy low and that is that he is a terrific terrific young man. He's a high character guy. He loves playing football. He's extremely accurate. The question and I hate when when they the word brittle especially when it comes to a football player and a quarterback I just hope all of that Brittleness if you will is passed him and he gets off to a great start to his young career. Yeah I mean if brittle is a word that I know you don't like you brought it up his second. Mike Lombardi said it but at the same time what word would you like to use your phrase? Would you like to us from a guy that we've seen have multiple high ankle sprain surgeries and then a massive hip surgery that we haven't seen him play after? I mean that's the reality. So maybe you don't WanNA use the word brittle injury-prone someone who misses time. There's gotta be something in addition to all the good things that we talk about to Ohi character. Accuracy leader champion. All these things that he has earned. There's gotta be some words that talk about his injuries that maybe are a little more respectful brittle and injury prone. But there's gotta be something because that's a huge part of his story right now. Well I don't mind the injury prone part. I mean you know. That's something that many players have to deal with. The Brittle part is what I don't like I think when you use the word Brittle I it just to me. It's a little bit too severe The the one thing that I that I do know about this young man is that like I said earlier. He is a guy who just loves playing football. And you know I can also make a case that the fact that he had those two high ankle sprain surgeries nobody ever has those surgeries he had those surgeries because he wanted to get back on the field or he would have been out. He wouldn't have been able to play at not had those surgery so I actually a lot of credit for trying to do something to keep get himself back on the field quicker than most. Pires would've ever returned from that kind of injury so there is something to be said about the sacrifice that he makes going through the Going through the surgery and then getting back on the field and playing well under those circumstances on top of all of that so I yeah okay he's injury prone but I'll he's GonNa make every sacrifice that he possibly can to get back on the field. Yeah one of the things I found really interesting right at the start of the weekend. Where a couple of tweets back to back Daniel Jeremiah. Had the first one where. He said that he doesn't believe there's going to be that group. Think that you get in the NFL draft every year when guys general managers and scouts and coaches right these days and then one guy likes a certain player and then that scout jumps on that because Oh man well if he likes them and I should like them and then all of a sudden you know these guys shoot up draft board. You're not going to have that. Which is going to lead to some unpredictability but then also Ian Rappaport said that a couple of general managers had reached out to him and said that the mock drafts. This year are so far off from what they believe. The draft will look like so. Maybe they don't know either. But this is going to be something where buckle up because what you think is going to happen. Probably won't happen in the first round. So what does that really mean? It's easy to say. Obviously we know where the draft is going to start off. What could that mean? That chase? Young isn't taken by the redskins. Could that mean that? The Miami Dolphins. Maybe they are going to take a quarterback at the very top does that mean that the rankings of the tackles in the wide receivers are off. Like I wanNA know exactly what we're going to be looking at that. This unpredictability is being predicted. This type of level what is that really. GonNa look like well for me. I can't wait to see where Isaiah Simmons goes because he is like the athlete of athletes in this in this draft. Now everybody says chasing. He can't this guy for the Washington redskins and everybody knows that it's a fair completely that the bengals are going to take Joe Borough after that. That's where it gets interesting in the drafts probably starts with the number three overall pick for the DETROIT LIONS. Everybody you know obviously knows that they got rid of Darius slay so they do need a corner and that would be Jeff Okuda out of Ohio State. But are they going to take him at number? Three is is this kid. Isaiah Simmons the linebacker slash safety out of clumps into great of an athlete to pass up. What the giants do of Simmons's there and the tackle that they want is there to me. I I always think and obviously as a former quarterback in playing with the greatest left tackle in the history of the NFL. And Anthony Munoz. I know the profound effect that he had on everybody else. When you have a top and tackle and I'm not saying any of these tackles are going to be Anthony Munoz but I think that there are four guys that everybody believes can't miss for Mekki Becton to all the way to jake wills and of course The kid out of Georgia and then tristen worth. I don't know you want a guy that is going to solidify your offensive line. I saw the effect that Anthony had on the other four players that we had at those positions. Not that those players were weren't good in their own right. They were but they became a unit because we had the eraser at left tackle and he could just take care of everybody and we never had to worry about his guy and we could always ask him to do one on one. We never had a slide to him. We never had overcompensate for him and we allow the other four guys to really play uniquely together. And I think that's the power of a top end tackle. And if you WANNA HOG MAMA YOU WANNA Guy. That's going to be big. You want guy that's going to be there for ten to twelve years because most offensive lineman most top-end offensive lineman do receive a second contract in the NFL. Okay that's the one position whether it be senator guard or tackle that usually stays with their team and gets a second contract. And that's why. I think it's a can't miss that if you take one of these tackles for the giants you gotTa believe that. He's going to be the guy that's going to be sitting there for the next ten to twelve years to to protect your quarterback and also solidify your offensive line and even if you are a little bit less somewhere else along that offensive line as long as you got that guy that you can build around and that will be there. And we'll be stable and stabilize your offense and I don't see how you pass a guy like that. I think the only way that the giants don't do exactly what you're saying is if somehow chase young foals to dam the redskins either trade out of there or going a different direction that surprises people. Maybe they soured on them chase young sitting at four then the giants. I think would end up taking chase young. If he is not at that point. I think it comes down to if they love. Isaiah Simmons or other going to take the best tackle on the board which I believe. We'll still be there at four but that seems to be the way that this draft is going to trend but I mean it's just harder to predict this year I mean I. I think I happen to think that the redskins will probably still end up with chase young. You know what the Lions do is going to change. You know how the giants of course with the pick ahead of them were GONNA handle their but in each scenario that I keep playing over and over in my head. You're the giants end up with the best offensive Lineman at least or the first one picked the best one in their eyes and that is going to make giants fans thrilled. Because I mean maybe they'll be some people that want some giant fans Isaiah. Simmons is there to take Isaiah Simmons especially with the struggles at the defense had last year. But I mean how many complaints if we heard the last couple years about the line and fixing the offense of line and Blah Blah Blah and I would have been great if the offensive line was better so there can't be a giant fan out there in the world? That's going to have a problem with the giants. Taking the best tackle on the board at pick four overall in the drop it with the offensive lung. I know you know you can out sorry about that. But the offensive line will be better because Daniel Jones will be better in Daniel Jones is not going to be a statue in the pocket so he will get himself out of trouble. He's just gotTa work on the fumbling problems and once he works on those things which I'm sure he's probably doing this off season he's going to be fine and the guys that are playing in front of him will appreciate his his understanding of where he now is in this team. He has the unquestioned leader of the team. It's his team. Allies no longer in the building so the offensive line should be better because he'll be better and he'll be more decisive and he won't put himself in as much trouble as he did his rookie season. The only thing I will say is that I- giant fans on my life and I always tell you about. This are really really passionate about their team and I would say my guys are fifty fifty on the tackle or Isaiah Simmons. Now they're they're not even thinking that chase young is going to be there so he's not even been part of this discussion. They want they still long for the days of Carl Banks and Lawrence Taylor and Harry. Carson want those linebackers. That are terrorizing opposing running backs and quarterbacks and I don't know if this kid is that all I know is that when you do watch his tape and I suggest that you go back and watch it one more time. He is amazing he is sudden. His arms are really long and he. He very rarely misses a tackle and when he does. Let's not only does he blitz. I mean he will dive over people to get to the quarterback. So there's a lot of stuff on that film that you look at you say. Wow this kid is about sudden as there is on defense and you can see it because of the positions that he played at Clinton had them all over the place as opposed to a left tackle. Who's always there or right tackle for that matter us. Watch them over and over and over again and you can see that. They can do whatever they need to do. Whether it be passed walking or whether it needs to be run blocking but Isaiah Simmons jumps off the tape. There is no question about that as far as the type of guy he is the cut. I gotta be kid. I have no idea and one of the things that came out this weekend. I don't know if you saw two things. Actually one there seems to be validity that now the browns definitely have had conversations trading oh bj so Kudos to mark Melissa's if in fact a moose was the first to report that last week I'm seventy so I'm still so confused. No because all right so you also had Adam Schefter tweet out that there were no conversations going on so what the bleacher report over the weekend basically came out again and said that there had been discussions. I don't know if it was with the Minnesota Vikings are not and also the NFL network was reporting that there were discussions with multiple teams. So some Moose may be right at his because he works. That'd be great but hopefully it improve here and then the other thing that I don't know if you saw it over the weekend Leonard Fournette of the Jacksonville Jaguars who did tweet out. That he wanted Cam Newton to come play down Jacksonville now. All of a sudden he's on the trading block and one scout in one of the stories basically said that Leonard Fournette is a pain in the ass. Well so good luck with that so it looks like the The Jaguars have two significant players that they made move here before Thursday. And if that's the case if you WANNA running back or edge rusher in Gakugei then have at it because those do players seem to be on the trading block right now from the Jaguars all right. It's Boren Gio just getting started on this Monday morning on the fan and CBS sports network.

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The Chris and Joe Show: The Giants best rivalries outside of the NFC East

Big Blue View

00:00 sec | 5 months ago

The Chris and Joe Show: The Giants best rivalries outside of the NFC East

"Podcast listeners, we are amazing avenue, the espy nation New York mets site I'm Chris McShane and every week Brian. Salvator and I discussed the current state of the mets. Automated Avenue audio the show. We try to look at the mets from a somewhat logical point of view, and not get too deep into panic city. We also answer your emails. Give weekly music recommendations and try not to get too frustrated with the team. You can find the show on Apple podcasts on stitcher on spotify wherever you get your podcasts and let's go mets. Listening to the Chris and Joe Show on a radio. Your go-to source for New York giants and else's. Talk. His. Story. Was An. Accident Christian Jones show. SP nation and big. I am. Joe De. Leon joined by his. Now asus pair appear on the. Radio podcast the network as we doing during the off season. We've been previewing every single position group. Throughout this period of time, leading up to the start of the season, but we've also had the ability to talk about some interesting topics which we've done on these Wednesday shows because right now we have the third theme week here at Espy Nation. We decided we were going to follow along with this theme and topic, which is rivalry week for SP nation team blogs where you. You can go as specific or as broad as possible and talking about your teams, the rivalries related to them, maybe player to player position to position even guys on the roster anything rivalries that are associated with your team, giving us a really good opportunity to not really analyzed, but rather look back at some of the great things that have happened in the past and in. In the history of the New York giants and we decided today's show. We're going to talk about the giants rivals that are not in the NFC east, the teams that are outside of the NFC that the giants maybe don't play every single year or even also the twice a year that they play in the NFC east. The obvious red skins eagles cowboys. We picked five teams. Teams that could be considered to be the top rivals for the giants outside of that conference or division rather and I would say Chris not all these are obvious, I think three of them are teams that folks you could probably predict the other to have some interesting spins on them, which makes them really good ones to cap off today's show, but Chris the first team. That has to be brought up as the biggest. Out of conference rival out of division rival. Has, to be the San Francisco Forty niners particularly because of the. Level of competition, the giants fans witnessed. Against the forty niners in the eighties and nineties during that great run by the forty niners, where they had the best offense in the League with Bill, Walsh and Joe Montana Jerry Rice, the west coast offense, facing off against an elite giants, defense, featuring Lawrence Taylor. That is the kind of matchup that a great rivalry is made of where you are just pitting strength against strength and. Really two units that kind of changed the way football is played. You had the giants defense coach by Bill. Belichick built by bill parcells. Your engine Lt! Also have Carl Banks Harry. Carson so many really great players that allowed them to do things that. You didn't see all that often or hadn't really seen before. And then you know we all know how Bill Walsh and that West Coast offense transformed. Offense football in the NFL basically right now. They're offensive scheme is the default for pretty much any quote, unquote pro style offense. There's obviously going to be different influences taken from you know Don Coryell Erhardt Perkins. Now. We're seeing more and more from the college ranks with the spread option offenses the air raid offenses, but really the foundation is that forty niners were going to get to see that renewed again this year. And really I think if you want to go a little bit deeper in talking about this rivalry and how it started, obviously, this was the period of time when the giants with we're at their highest separate from the early two thousands in two thousand ten's. That was when they won two of their super bowls. Being so stout defensively and I think that this rivalry goes a little bit deeper than just talking about San Francisco forty nine versus the New York giants. It was really the west coast offense verses this giants defense they're were schemes and approaches to running that style of offense that were geared around. Finding ways to attack the holes in the giants very very tightly built defense, heck, the concept of molly blocking, which is using a guard to pick up. An outside rusher was famously used in the playoffs by the. San Francisco Forty niners just a slowdown Lawrence Taylor, they were trying to use very radically different things, justifying ways to stop a guy that was wreaking havoc against teams, because of how good of a pass rusher he was and I think the other thing, too. That comes from this offense versus defense defensive setup, and you already kind of talked about it Chris, is it was almost? A peak into the future for NFL fans because he got to see. In offense of play style that was so different from what a lot of other teams were doing it. Teams were still very run heavy back then, besides maybe the San Diego chargers and Bill Walsh was so centric on throwing the ball with quick routes, slants all based on timing, having different options for Joe Montana to the ball to and also being able to just not only play out of the pocket, but even move further outside of the pocket, and then for the giants. They were able to use Lawrence Taylor in a way that an outside linebacker had. Previously been used outside linebackers were more so used as coverage drop players, but bill parcells was willing to take advantage of the strengths of Lawrence Taylor and use them as a pass rusher, still dropping him, but using primarily as a pass rusher, which leads to what we see now in the NFL teams that run three or four schemes, and we'll have a player like Judean cloudy be primarily a pass rusher, but lineup in a two point stance on the outside along the line of scrimmage. Yes, so many of the modern edges can, you can really trace that style of play back to Lt. guys like you say cloudy. myles Garrett T. J. Watt. Von Miller obviously Khalil Mack. These guys are all in that Lt Mold and Really that rivalry between the giants defense and the West Coast offense set the stage for a lot of what we are seeing in the NFL today, this rivalry also did not stop in the nineties it continued at slightly for a period of time when the giants had to face them in two thousand twelve on their way to a super bowl, that game, obviously coming down to the wire and being such a close game. A blast from the past seeing that game. What we previously me because I wasn't alive. Then I don't I don't even think you were alive at the time either Christopher some of these eighties and nineties games but. Getting a blast from the past what the rivalry was previously when these teams were so dominant, Christie also alluded to the fact that we're also going to get to see this rivalry again. This upcoming season in two thousand twenty, as the forty niners are going to be coming to metlife. It's not really the most favorable matchup for the giants. It's not the same level of competition that is always has been, but nonetheless we get to see. This rivalry played out again during the regular season yet the. Forty niners honestly had a great off season. They will probably be the much better team I. Don't think I'm really insulting. The giants to say that, but the forty niners had joe staley retire, but picked up Trent Williams. They. Traded away. deforest Buckner and drafted Giovane kin law. Who? I know I talked a lot about him. In the run-up to the draft, he might not have been quite as highly regarded as Derek Brockbank, but he is just as explosive off the line. He is going to be a problem for interior offensive lines. And the giants might have caught a little bit of a break with Deebo, Samuel suffering a Jones fracture in his foot. That's a nasty injury for a wide receiver. But. The forty niners picked up brandon I from Arizona State. Who has a very similar player? It's hard to say they even with that injury. They got any worse did that's going to be a very tough game? For the giants, certainly one of the harder matchups on the giants, twenty twenty schedule, considering the fact that they also have to play the Baltimore Ravens just two very very difficult. Games upcoming for the season. It's not gonNA be the same level of competition like I said as this rivalry has been, but we do get to see. It played out again second rivalry, and this one goes as deep back as that period of time when the giants were playing the forty niners the. New England patriots have to be considered to be a rival considering and this one's so blatantly obvious considering the two super bowls that the giants won over the Patriots the bad blood that has now resulted from those two super bowls. I went to school in New England and I can tell you that patriots fans to an extent. I think hate the giants more. More than they hate some of the teams in their own division, whenever they get the chance to beat up on a giant team that is down in rebuilding. They are so excited this Thursday night game this past year. When they kicked the crap out of the giants and Dana, Jones had a bad game I heard nonstop from some of my teammates saying. Just talking as much smack as they could, despite ignoring the fact that the giants are very blatantly clearly on a different level of A. Rebuild in. The Patriots were last year so. You know this game has has. This rivalry rather has continued and extended all the way where it is now and I honestly don't know if this will ever go away. Even if bill belichick retires even if Tom. Brady is no longer with the Patriots yet, well, the The New York Boston rivalry will never go away as long as the Yankees and red sox are around to power it. It will exist, and it will spread to every single organized sport. I think as long as the giants and patriots play every preseason. which the right now. There's no guarantee that they will this year. I certainly hope they do. Because that preseason game is honestly one of my favorites every year, because whenever these two teams get together. It's always a good game. There are times like this year where the giants are just not in a position to be competitive. But as long as both teams are even remotely competitive, that is going to be a tough hard fought. Game the goes down to the wire. You talk about being at school in new. England I was in college for the two thousand seven Super Bowl, and that was kind of amazing experience being at Suny. Albany with the giants have their training camp had rather and. You could actually just the campus react and you could hear the Patriots fans. And the giants fans scream on. Any given play and It's kind of funny friends and I still joke about the freshman quite pretty much riot. When the giants won I managed to witness to riots in my time at your I when the Patriots won. Those two super bowls recently. And I can tell you the Patriots. Fans are extremely just as probably just as rabbit. Maybe if not a little bit more rapid than giants, fans are when it comes to reacting things set on fire, all of the the nine yards of wonderful great stuff from college age fans of football, the other thing with this rivalry. That is almost a separate piece to it, but still related is Tom Brady and the New York giants being a rivalry because now. That Tom Brady is a Tampa Bay. Buccaneers I consider this rivalry extended I. consider it being separate from the Patriots I. Consider this now to be a rivalry with the bucks until the remainder an ending of Tom Brady's career. We know Tom Brady has that bit of a? A competitiveness that Michael Jordan has in the sense that he holds grudges we can. We just know for a fact. That's how he operates. And that's what fuels competitiveness is having that level of a grudge, so you can bet the giants when they face off against the Tampa. Bay buccaneers this like he's always done. He's going to try and do it. Every can't feel good about beating up on the giants. Hopefully the giants don't let that happen, but he is going to look at this opportunity to get back again for those two super bowl losses. Oh absolutely! It despite all of the success, the Tom Brady has and has had. Still I, think cares about the fact that the entire league passed on him what six times before the Patriots finally picked him up on it in the sixth round. I think he's still cares about that more than he does his super bowls. Certainly. From Brady's perspective, even though Tom, Coughlin's go on carries gone. ally Manning is Gone Yup Justin Tuck Mark Strahan OC human. You're all those guys who made his life. Hell in those super bowls. They're all gone. He is still going to be in rivalry mode. We've got three more rivalries to them. Very interesting picks stay tuned for those before we get to them though we're gonNA, take a short commercial break. This is the last one I think Chris that has to be a very clear cut rivalry and I don't even know if this one is as deep as the other two, but the New York jets. Are yet another rival for the giants, and this one has to be strictly based on the fact that they play in the same stadium. And they are from the same region. It will always be a case of arguing with jets fans chose to pick fandom in. A completely different conference for a different team that is rooted rivalry stems choosing to not pick for the. Argue I. Mean in our opinions. The better franchise, the one that's one more super bowls in been more consistently successful. That is what really fuels. That level of rivalry, even though we're all from the same area and we also both have rivalries with the Patriots. It's always gonNA. Go back to the fact that we're in the same area and we're picking two different teams. Yeah this. This rivalry is really all about bragging rights. You know maybe for some of the players. Brandon Jacobs always relished beating the jets. But he kind of relished beating everybody. But really bragging rights for fans. It, really unless the two teams are playing each other in the regular season like what happened last year, and it only happens once every four years. It really. Doesn't matter what one team or the other does it? The rival rivalry is really only played out against each other in preseason where. Yet the results don't matter. But. This is. kind of a weird rivalry where the? Fans want bragging rights over The city. Which team finishes better? I remember when the jets were good when they first got mark, Sanchez and Rex Ryan was first there they had that great defense, and they went to those two AFC championships and the jets fans shut up. It's not like one team. Success adversely impacts the other team. Both teams can be successful. Right up until the last game of the year. It's kind of impossible for them to beat in the super. Bowl in both be successful. There are fans who. Just love to be able to rub. The other phantoms knows in their team's misery. As you recall last year, the giants, even though we heavily predicted the giants to win this matchup, they lost against the New York jets seemingly a game where they could not run the ball whatsoever they kept saquon and check against a very underrated run defense featuring Jamal Adams. Giants obviously not playing them again this year, but it obviously hearts as giants fans having that lasting memory the last time they played the jets of losing to them. Second to last pick, and I think this one has to be a little bit more interesting. This one is not as reoccurring because they play in two different conferences, but I really liked the logic in the reason why we chose this rivalry now these teams are actually going to play in week one. That is the Pittsburgh steelers on Monday night football. They fully recognized the people that were those in charge of picking. Early prime time matchups that this is actually kind of a rivalry and they have to beg rabid fan bases. It all kind of starts with what you. Alluded to earlier Chris when we were doing. The pre show notes the relationship and connection between Rooney. Amarah but I think the other thing that really fueled. This is the whole manning. Ben Rothlisberger situation back when they were drafted. The whole debacle of him, not wanting to play for the chargers, ending up with the giants that hurting Big Ben's draft stock. That has always connect the two of them throughout their careers, and maybe they don't always compete head to head, but they've always been competing against each other for rights to be the better quarterback yet. There are a ton of links between. The steelers and the giants. They have always played a similar brand of football obviously the connections between the Rooney family in the mirror family. Those go back decades. And then the connection between ally and Big Ben. So I'm not sure this quite qualifies as a strict rivalry especially now that allies retired. There's big. He can't do anything to change. His perception compared to Roth rothlisberger other than maybe. Ben Stuck around sticks around a year too long. But I think the fact that these two teams are linked as heavily as they are, despite being in again in different conferences, and only playing each other once every four years, barring the occasional preseason matchup. It's a matchup. We really do have to talk about again. They do play this year, so we're going to see it. We're going to see it in prime time week. One the last rivalry we picked. And this one is not one that we've seen on a reoccurring basis. They are in the same conference, but I think what makes this in indirect rivalry, not the biggest one on the list. But has been a rivalry because of when these matchups have occurred, and I think that's what fuels a rivalry that's what fueled the one with the forty niners, and the giants was the fact that they maybe didn't play each other every year during the regular season, but when they faced off against each other in the playoffs that was when the true competition hit, that was when we were frustrated or excited to beat out a team that was very very very talented and also capable of winning Super Bowl, in this instance, the Green Bay packers have to be the final one talked about on this list. If you recall in the giants, recent Super Bowl runs. They went to Lambo in beat. Brett farve and Aaron Rodgers and the last time the giants made the playoffs in two thousand sixteen. They lost to Aaron Rodgers and packers at Lambeau field that he notorious boat trip game where the giants receivers could not play well whatsoever, and that has been a a conspiracy theory of a curse for the giants since that game. But there's always been a connection with these two teams when it comes to playoff time. Yeah and it's kind of fitting these two teams. Meet in big moments and kind of renew their rivalry in big moments. That game against Brett Farve in limbo when Tom. Coughlin's face about froze off is one of the best games I could ever remember seeing. The giants came in. Nobody gave them a chance of winning and they gave. The packers everything they could handle and then more. But even in game young Bornstein's. He misses his first two shot field goals, and then it's only getting colder. Windier. And then he immediately runs out and punches it through the uprights to win the game and go to the Super, Bowl. And it was. Brett Farve last game as a packer and it ended with a corey webster interception. And you'll I manning going out as at the time a young quarterback? Nobody had any faith in. An outplaying Brett Farve in Lambo. There are just so many storylines so. Just so much great football played that night honestly was even better than the Super Bowl last year. then. The second time around twenty eleven. That's a game where you kinda knew the giants. We're GONNA win, even though they were even though the packers were heavily favored. You kind of knew the giants. We're GONNA win when. They just said to hell with it. We're finishing off the first half with a Hail Mary to Akeem Knicks and. They just kind of rolled from there. Last time they played was this past season, and because like some of these other rivalries, the giants haven't been as good. It was not really a close matchup up between the two teams Daniel Jones also had a struggling game against a really good secondary throwing three interceptions Chris. That is all we have for today's show here the Christian Joe Show. We're going to continue on with our position. Position Previews next week. Thank you for tuning in as always be sure to rate and subscribe. Give some feedback on the show what you think of it. Uh, some constructive criticism things that you like about things that we could do differently. Maybe We'd love to hear from you what you think about the show also follow us on social media at Big Blue View befall me at. Joe Deal Yonne in for Chris at Raptor. I, I next position view we have. Pieces of the offense award. Hi I'm Brian and I'm one of the hosts of the Amazing Avenue Network of podcasts each week day. We bring you a different podcast that covers the New York mets from a different perspective every Monday. 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Tuesdays Are For Updates

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18:06 min | 1 year ago

Tuesdays Are For Updates

"It's the morning show with boomer GO along with Jerry Recco on the fan. Boomer GO on fan CBS four debt works. We've got Jerry Recco. Back with us who did amazing work yesterday. Double duty. We didn't know bloomer is gonna walk into that door walk through that door yesterday morning or not he did not Gary bouncing back and forth one seat to the other seat handling his business. Always told you that jersey ultimate tool, and he can he can basically tool up to do whatever he needs to do whether it be just the updates or one of the power chairs here. I mean, that's our Jerry Recco. He's a he's a power. Nice to see you back home. Thanks. You got forest, Jerry. We are brought to you by Buick GMC of Malwa, visit Buick GMC of Malwa dot com. We'll start with the Yankees since the game ended literally four hours ago. Maybe not even they did beat the angels in fourteen. Here's how the go ahead hit sounded swung on line to right center field. It is a basin. Labor scores. Ford goes to third shelhah comes through again. Like that. God Brian Cashman must be busting his buttons. What a fine GO or shallow. Yeah. He also gave the lead in the twelfth inning with a sack fly that was not held by our oldest Chapman. But in the end the Yankees beat the angels in fourteen four three moved to twelve and ten Jonathan holder two innings for the win Luke barred the loss. Even though he struck out four four batters in the fourteenth inning. It was a bad throwing her by John LaCroix on the first strike out of the inning, just flat out overthrew first base. And that was the go ahead run that came reflects means softball, and it was bad. Yeah. It was really bad. It looked like such and I know going back and watching it this morning. I guess Flaherty was I think it was Flaherty was saying, you know, it's really not an easy. They kinda is. I mean, I get what he's saying. He was fifteen feet all these guys load up and thrown in his. You have to finesse like that. You see it all the time with pitchers with comebacks. They have a problem with that. It's just looked so simple. But it wasn't. And so we again barred strikes out four but takes the loss. Here was Boone his team makes four straight away right now where you know, it's not easy for us. Right now by any means, but the guys have been finding away like or shallow who has done the job, and he's come up here and got an opportunity to play. He's he's good at bats. He's hit the ball hard. The defense speaks for itself. And he says on. Yes. Just doing his part with this opera -tunities. I mean everybody here he's doing his job. I like the way we've been playing. Clint Frazier did hurt his ankle sliding but did remain in the game study felt a little sore. But thought he would be okay afterwards. The guys on the Clint Frazier. Does remind me the most of a hockey player. Does. He he took a puck to the ankle. You take a puck to the chin. Whatever takes go off the is for a couple of minutes. Then you come back on what he did last night. That's right. Exactly. He stayed on. Even though it didn't look great four in a row. Here's holder who got the when he was with Susan talks about in the victim makeup. You know defense play really good bomb in is exciting. Matt Harvey and no decision. Six innings for LA two runs. Three hits couple of walks and Luke void did Homer in the first inning. Jay happened to decision. Seven innings of three hit ball. Here's Brian Cashman. We were talking yesterday Jay about where the hell is Aaron Hicks. Yeah. Well, he was with Mike yesterday talking about we're Hicks is and his comeback in defensively, you know, as a center fielder. Yeah. So he's going be a longer than than than STAN who they expect around doing back after Sanchez. How long did his answers go for that one was nine seconds? That wasn't bad. Brian Cashman sucks. That was a clip that was nine seconds for the full answer was about nine minutes could have been is very detailed. And lengthy those guys get on you got to say, okay. Brian yen seconds or less in an answer. So we can get to a lot of. I don't know that he ever really gives ten second answers and fall so Sanchez Wednesday Stanton soon after or what's the deal next next. But we don't know when that could be good me another week could be on the two week. I think sooner rather than later. Okay. This is what it sounds like. But we'll see dimicco Herrmann. Chris Stratton tonight. We'll have it on the fan at nine. Twenty five. Meantime, the Mets and Phillies were delayed until eight forty five last night when they got things going all good for New York heart up the base it then to center field a lot so routes. Oh, rob all tear throws to the plane. It's put on along. Those scores will sit rob host has an RV. I single the Mets. But to nothing lead, Wayne Randazzo under blue CBS eighty that was the romo's RBI single pita Lonzo and RBI double also hit by a pitch with the base later in the game down to get to the Hera. But he had a wealthy. Mickey. We'll tell you in a second. You also had in the fourth innings to res Hoskins. It's a home run. This is after Bryce Harper strikes out now harbor did not like strike too. And he did not like strike three. And when they show you the stupid box borderline pitches, but they were close, but didn't like mention some of the fire walking back to the dugout like ten twelve minutes later this ending his going on after Hoskins hits the home run. It's now a two one game. And there's two outs. Believe a one to pitch on the batter. You get this one. I strike at the top of the zone as Matt's his worked up there consistently tonight. And now somebody's been tossed a belief Gabe Kappler, or maybe somebody in the Phillies dug up might have been Harper gave Kappler is coming out toward the whole up by Harper's right behind him mar Carlson played Upmeyer as gape Kappler has to fend off far behind Harper. Jetted there in the fourth inning Mets went on to beat the Phillies five one again. Wayne randazzo. Here's Philly manager. Gabe, Kappler's has Harper should not have been tossed. It was normal chirping from the dugout that is in every dugout every single night. It was no different. Are dugout did not agree with Mark? A lot of Mark's calls. That said here's Jake Arrieta. Who was not thrilled with Harper's actions. He's got under. We need him. I feel I don't care about the fires. He wasn't great for other side. I'm out there. Trying to make pitches. He misses some calls. So what wow buddy was. I mean, my good is you don't hear a lot of that. No. When area to said, a little more, which will get through throughout the course of the morning, but all got a history of that though. I mean, I believe last year or maybe the year before he was calling out. His teammates likes Cohen out. This question. How many years that Bryce Harper? Sign for ten thirteen thirteen right? Machado was ten. Through what twenty percent ten percent of the of the regular season a little bit more than that? Already long way to go baby. This fiery to fiery, fills, baby. I like it. Here was Maki Calloway teams ready to play Stephen match throat. Well, they come to for on a mission every day. And it's it's it's fun. It's fun to be around these guys. We get a great great bunch of winners. You got a great bunch. We got Greg. We're all winners. A how many guys have gotten hit with baseball's over the weekend was three in a row in hidden a hand unbelievable so Alonzo we mentioned had got it. Also, Jeff McNeil got hit by a pitch was the one who got hit in the hands, and that's three days in a row yet Alonzo could no and McNeil three games role guys getting along Togo Mickey Callaway, look, I'm playing I don't care. What you say? I'm playing put me in the lineup. I hate this guy the pitcher for the cat cornell's worked out. Yeah. Homerun on tonight Calloway Neal's going for x-rays right now. Just to be safe. Lonzo has pad on that hand. And it hit hit the pad. Here was McNeil. An and y was there any concern on your part? Little bit. I mean whenever a ball hit your hand. You're a little nervous. But. Not not wrong. Now, also, not a problem is Jacob degrom 's arm, they. Came back clean could start as soon as Friday tonight. You got Zack Wheeler again Zach eflin WCBS eight eighty has at six more happy about that than just about anything. That's happened that a Mets. You know, honestly, I expect the worst. I was proud of them for told you as the story quite a bit in most quarterbacks during our era because we had the today's would always have Heiki elbow, the elbow screaming at you about three or four days into practice because you thrown in the morning, and you throwing in the afternoon and most of the time in the morning, you're throwing balls believe it or not that we heavier because of the do on the grass this how stupid this is right? And on their forget always going into the trainer. Hey, you know, my my elbows kill men need need today. No. You can't have day stick your arm in the ice tub and call today and get your ass back up the next day. So I think it's probably Senate to me like, that's what was dealing with. Plus he had strep throat on top of all. So his body. Just wasn't right. And maybe he didn't go through his normal throwing routine or whatever it is. Remember he throws twice between starts. I think I think that's the the difference for him. But. I don't think too much of it. I thought a lot was made of it. Because everybody initially thought the worst. Yeah. But it's. Barking elbow injured list. MRI usually aren't good things to hear when you're talking about a guy gave one hundred and forty eight million dollars. York, which he wasn't. He's going to you know, it was the Rania reporting on this thing in the beginning of it was just comical was it aronie was Brodie van wagon told us. Running supporting the initial report they came out. None of this stuff happened he stayed. But it wasn't. What was it like? What was that was from the men? That makes it even worse. Yes. You're talking about yesterday. They screwed this whole thing up with the messaging. It was then so brody's not is as squeaky clean as we all thought. He was this one was a bad one. I think that he's done a nice job of communicating for the most part. This was a bad. I think he just jumped the gun. Yeah. Kind of like degrom comes and says marbles not feeling right? Art will send you the more. I and he's being very upfront. We're going to send them back for the Orion than two grams. Like, knob good. Oh, all right. We'll wait last Mets pitcher to do that with Noah syndergaard's, do an MRI that was a little bit different. He said, no, thanks. I'm not kidding the MRI and that didn't turn out doing these days. Dot great Rockies. Beat can't wait is time for him to get a contract seven five Nolan air or not oh, a homerun. They one thousand of his career as over the Rangers six to one twin stop the Astros nine five raise double the Royal six to three and the Diamondbacks beat the pirates twelve four pitcher on the pirates, Nick birdie. Did you see this highlight? I haven't this poor kid. He throws a pitch. And I guess he throws the ball in the high nineties, and I believe he is at Tommy John surgery in the past. He throws a pitch and collapses to the ground and just severe pain with the arm, and they're fearing that it is one of these major injuries again. So terrible highlight, and you feel bad for them Nobel Beckham junior. So here we go giants Gettleman doesn't interview with nj dot com. Couple of days ago, where he said, quote, there's more to it than just collecting talent. There is a cultural thing to it. That's critical. I have not been on a team that's gone to a Super Bowl. That's had a culture problem. He was then asked. If he has one with the giants he responded by saying quote, not anymore. That's part of the story. Obviously one little portion of the story someone than sent the article to Beckham. Of course, they do he then linked to Twitter, which Al did it. I did not he then wrote with the link to the article, quote, this was by far one of the funniest things. I've seen today end, quote, then did a QNA with fans the addressed a lot of different things. And I know Greg's gonna pull up a lot of them because it went on and on and on and on everything from the boat trip to the game against the Packers to a fan calling him a cancer. And he says he's only a cancer because he was on a team that accepted losing. I think that was something like that. So he was he was the only one on the team that didn't accept losing. Well, is that what he's saying everybody else's a bunch of losers except for. Hi, I'm not reading it what he rose the worst part of social media. But also the best part for what we do gives you topic for. Sure, yes. But it went on and on and on. And then at the end, he pretty much, you know, have a great day. I'm gonna great place been a great day. Happy to Cleveland. So. Crap. He was had such a great day. Got all this. Great news. Oh, haters this and that no this guy was in a hole yesterday. And there's no way you could tell me, otherwise, though, the fact that he opened himself up to all this stuff and these people like you're a loser shot up. Let it go, and he's responding to respond to the house back with on having a great day. No. You're just saying that they make it seem like you're not in some sort of crazy Twitter whole because you are now in the same kind of pain. Now, what is Dave Gettleman doing here? I mean, Dave speaking directly about Obama yet rid of like a million. Everett of Landon Collins got rid of Livia Vernon and got rid of Odell Beckham junior snacks Harrison and ally. Apple, I I guess all right. So you're right. You're right. So I guess, but that's the collection of five that he got rid of that supposedly were part of this whole culture change. I don't know why he's talking that way about it. But not only that he also came out and said, you know, I stand by my resume I've been seven Super Bowls. I know what I'm doing. I mean, he's just as bad as del Beckham junior. I think in what way say that. But I'm just I don't understand why the need for a guy in that position. I believe he was answering the question about the critics that are sitting there saying he doesn't know what he's doing. I if he doesn't say the I I liked what he has done with the exception of not they go through this draft. And not select a quarterback on going to rip my hair. I just it's unbelievable. Means everything to me. I can't wait. I just I don't get it. So let me ask you a question. And this pretty simple question for the giants and their giant fandom to ask themselves who is the player at number six that that plays defense that is going to turn your team around for the next ten to fifteen years. Is there a player on the next Lawrence Taylor? There is the next Michael stray there the next. I don't know, you know, Harry Carson there. The guy is going to be the anchor of your defense for the next ten years. He there the dog that you know, that Jamal Adams wants for the jets and the dog that. That get them in once for the giants is that guy there. And is he going to have a better affect than say twain Haskins will has his there. Richard either where you have no idea. I mean quarterback of all time was drafted two hundred and seventy right. I know that I know what throat myself who. No. But I'm just asking you from your standpoint here, if you're the general manager of the giants, you know that you have an inherent need. And I know he doesn't want to think the same way we do. I that's why we bang our heads against. Indians. He has the job that he has. Right. Okay. But he's opinions at ally. Manning can play this year and be great. And maybe even two more years has a franchise that has had a losing record five out of the last six years. I know that is agreeing with that opinion, and they lose again the coach that he hired is basically going to be on the firing line again. And they're going to start all over again Beckham also called out the coach for not allowing him to play the last four weeks said he wanted to be there with his teammates on the sideline toll. I what it was to not play not travel. Not the play the travel and stand there on the sideline. You don't think? It was a matter being active and playing they was being with the team. I thought it was Johnson. He wanted to play too. I think that I think the the the coach recognized that the player took himself off the field. And then basically said forget it. You take yourself off the field. I'm not allowing nothing to do with playing. It was every about being with the team while it was in out of. And he said, no, I think that they believe that he could play and that he took himself. Off the field at least to the last four games. Jazz beat the rockets one zero seven ninety one three one series lead now for Houston with that loss. Buck Steve defeat the pistons won twenty seven one four forty one for UNICEF Cuco has Milwaukee heads off to the second round for the first time since two thousand one nets and Philly tonight coverage on ninety four point seven FM. Of course, we know Brooklyn down three games to one mention the fine for the minority owner who tweeted basically support for Sean marks. And what he said and did the other day nuggets home for the Spurs tonight thunder face, the blazers raptors take on the magic the Suns fired head coach eager caucus gov. Yeah. However, you say his name. In year. He was let go because they want to go after someone hurricanes beat the capitals five two series tied. Three three feeling. We're waiting for three months for the islanders. The winner will play the aisles and the stars beat the predators and overtime to one Dallas takes the series in six and they advanced four out of the five or we say four out of five series that have ended in the NHL playoffs. Four teams that have advanced were all underdogs going into their respective rounds. Pretty impressive who number eight seed those an app in the NBA number eight seeds are advancing Columbus in Colorado.

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NFL Free-Agency Provides A Welcome Distraction

Boomer & Gio

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NFL Free-Agency Provides A Welcome Distraction

"Live from the Investors Bank Studio Woomera size in Gregg Giannotti boomer and Geo on the fan across the country on radio DOT com across the world on radio DOT COM opened to be back on. Tv as early as next week but we don't know NFL taking center stage admits this corona virus. Reality that we are living in. I saw funny tweet yesterday that said at about ten. Am people were writing? Nothing will ever feel the same. Nothing else matters. It's all about this corona virus and then at about one PM. It was what an idiot bill. O'brien is Oh my God. How could you trade? The Andre Hopkins shows you still in this weird time that we are living in this Black Mirror episode did we are finding ourselves in right now at the. Nfl can still make some news. Good Morning boomer our you I'm doing alright. Geo and I will say that I was thankful for the NFL to keep this free agency thing going and right now we haven't even gotten to legitimate free agency and the start of the year. That's tomorrow we are still in the so-called what they call legal tampering period. We're just oxymoron. Obviously so we kind of know where everybody's going and what's going on so far and there have been some amazingly stupid moves in foul. Yes over the years This I'm not really sure what's going on down in Houston and you don't have a general manager there so it's Bill Ryan is basically run the whole thing and remember last year. He made some controversial trades. 'cause he kind of went all in. Laremy Tunsil. Yeah you went all in and trade away first. Round draft picks and all sorts of stuff and now he decides the trade one of the best wide receivers right in the middle of his prime at the twenty seven. Now the question is I believe that the Andre Hopkins was GonNa want a new contract so that that that was going good be- down the road maybe a year or two but I if I'm the Shawn Watson Mike what the Hell did you just do. What did you just do to me as the quarterback? I can't even imagine what he must be feeling like right now. So they trade a wide receiver for a running back When did that happen? That happened back in one thousand nine hundred five when the New York jets decided to trade our number one receiver rob more to the cardinals for Ron more. The running back. And that's essentially that's how like you never know when things are going to break one way or the other and who's going to benefit from decisions like this but wink Rabat. Really benefited from that decision. Because we got rid of all of our experience wide receivers and Wayne made the team so and then we can turn out to be a great pro really turned out to be a great jet. So you just never know what's going to happen but that's just for one player overall for the team the morale of the team the morale the fans and everything else. I think that Bill O'Brien is just like taken so many chances over the last two years now. This draft class is supposedly loaded with great wide receivers. All the way through the first three rounds. Is there one that even remotely is remotely close to what the Andrea I mean? Th there could be but that that's a big could and I think that a couple of things come to mind right away one. You hear that De'andre Hopkins want a new contract here that the Andrea Hopkins Bill. O'brien didn't get along all that well and this is exactly why you need as you say all the time. A ruthless general manager. Who is in buddy buddy with the players or isn't someone who's emotions are going to get the best of him when making personnel moves head. Coach can't be the general manager and also it's not so much that he traded De'andre Hopkins. We've seen guys get traded. The past in their prime he got nothing. He Got David. Johnson who is slowly turning into a pile of dust and he got a second round pick plus he has to pay David. Johnson guaranteed money this year. What joke is that and then later in the day defined digs? Go to the bills in this. All I mean Stefan Digs. I love as a player. He authored one of his part of the in one of the great moments. I've seen as a fan in the last several years of the Minnesota Vikings. I know he was disgruntled. I like him as a player of memories. But my God. He's not the Andre Hopkins Hot. I rent you got all the stuff to Vikings got back including the first round. Pick this year in that deal so by the way the cardinals did not want Johnson anymore and the team. That's why they I think they transition tag Kenyan drake who they traded for from the Miami Dolphins. But it's amazing to me that if if this is what you were giving up to get the Andre Hopkins more teams worn in on this. Unless he zeroed in on David Johnson for some reason maybe it has something to do with money or something but I think the jets are on the giant well not giant so much maybe but because the giants really need defense. And they're really trying to go after defense would bradberry Martinez signings. You could see in the Leonard Marshall Leonard Williams tag and all that. That's all defensive stuff right now it just to me. It's amazing that that's all they got back for him now. There's gotta be some something else to this story that we saw. I'm not so sure I mean all right. Let's what could it be the Andre Agassi Bill? O'brien didn't get along right. That makes bill. O'brien look like more of a fool in doing this. I mean it's it's so easy to find the road that leads us to how this happened. You have a head coach. Who has already made these awful moves making another one? I mean that's what it comes down to. You can't be both in the NFL. Unless YOU'RE BILL BELL BILL. Belichick is the only guy that's been able to do this correctly. Bill O'Brien is an equipped and then after this season where you saw the clowney deal you saw the Tunsi tonsil deal Bob McNair. The owner should all right enough. We gotta get a general manager and here. He decided not do continue to give bill. O'brien the power and this is what you got. I mean I don't know if like David. Johnson won the fantasy football championship for bill. O'brien back in two thousand. Sixteen or what? The fascination is with David Johnson. But I mean this. This could possibly go down as a top five worst trade in. Nfl history. The Andre Hopkins continues to do what he should do out there in Arizona with column Ryan Cliff Kingsborough Air Raid Offense. He's either the best or the second best wide receiver in foot right now as we speak. It's either him or Michael. Thomas those two guys and two just trade 'em away at twenty seven when you not gonNA give a new deal. People Thought Odell Beckham. Junior's return in that trade with the BROWNS was bad. Yeah might WANNA rethink it after seeing this situation. But I would tell you that Odell Beckham. Junior really didn't have any impact on the Browns. Anyway right so actually looked like it was the right deal especially when you were trying to work in a new quarterback here. Could you imagine Odell Beckham Junior with Daniel Jones? Sure I know I mean. Listen time has been kind of that. Deal is my point. Yes Times been kind. So the giants. The giants basically tried to are trying to shore up their defense. You know so you can say whatever you want about Leonard Williams. He's a defensive tackle. He is a run stuffer If you if you look at his numbers over the last two years he's he's not GonNa while you he's not Aaron Donald. He's not going to be deforest. Buckner who the colts traded for. Who I love that trade. They traded their thirteenth overall. Pick for the defensive tackle for the San Francisco. Forty niners gave him a twenty one million dollars a year deal. He's twenty six years old today. Today's his birthday so he is right in the sweet spot of his career says a smart move. I think by Chris Ballard. I also believe that the colts are going to be very heavily in on Philip rivers. Who They can't if Andrew luck is out if he's out if he stays retired then I would think that their first option is going to be Philip rivers because of his relationship with Frank Reich but for the giants what they did is they went out and they got Blake Martinez. Now who is Blake Martinez? If you are a hardcore football fan you know. He is a very good linebacker. I'm not GonNa sit here and tell you that he's Carl Banks or Lawrence Taylor or even Harry Carson. I'm just going to tell you that. He is a solid linebacker. You know this from seeing him. Every year Dr Troy Aikman said his name probably more than he says. Own name over the last couple years. All the packer games top crew is called Multiplex Blake Martinez. So he got a three YEAR THIRTY MILLION DOLLAR DEAL. And what's interesting about him? He's been one of the leader in tackles in the NFL. Over the last three season he has had two seasons of one. Hundred and forty four tackles each one hundred. Fifty five tackles as well. He's played sixty one games in the NFL. Had Fifty seven starts. He does have ten sacks. Seventeen pass breakups three interceptions and he led all linebackers in Solo. Tackles this past year in the NFL. Solo tackles with one hundred and fourteen. So He's a very active player and I think he is going to be one of these guys that is is kind of an under the radar signing under this really that all that expensive either with it's not and I was Kinda surprised that the packers didn't keep him at that price at that price because they went out and got another guy to replace them two years. Now the interesting thing. I was asking Joe about this morning. I haven't seen any reports from anybody. Remember the new. Cba now is been agreed upon between the NFL PA and the NFL owners. Which means that in twenty twenty one most likely there's going to be a seventeenth regular season game. Yeah some of these contracts go into that season and passed it and I'm wondering if there is language in these contracts to pay those guys a certain amount of money or is the contract just going to be pushed out over seventeen weeks as opposed to sixteen weeks. I haven't seen that anyway. I sent a message out to somebody who would know. Yeah waiting on that. I did send it at a five in the morning but someone who would know the answer to that I sent it out so I'm awaiting but that is an interesting thing. I'm assuming and this is not really safe to assume because it's very complicated. That agents know what the deal is with the seventieth gain negotiated something into the contracts passed this year that reflects the fact that their clients have to play regular season. Let's say you're Blake. March is pretty easy for three years. Thirty million in year three of that third year deal. There's GonNa be an extra game he's playing in. Is there going to be extra money for that game or does that ten million dollars a year what bonus and all that stuff but is that is that just going to be pushed into that seventeenth game? He's not going to get extra money for that. Seventeen hours at the thing that we were talking about where? There's a cap for that fine where everybody gets two hundred and fifty thousand four that game and that was in the CBA wasn't it. Yeah but then I also. There was a loophole in the CPA. That you could actually negotiate that that seventeen game differently. I I have not seen the total agreement yet. I just I just get these little updates every now and again and that's one of the interesting well for me anyway. It's just interesting just. I wonder how. That's impacting. Some of these negotiations and some of the stuff. That's going on right now. I just haven't heard I haven't heard anybody in the NFL network talk about it. Yeah I haven't seen it on PROFOOTBALLTALK PRO FOOTBALL. Focus any of those great websites. I haven't seen any of this question. It seems to be unanswered right now. So I'll try to get the answer to it. I did like what the giants did. I liked the Blake Martinez signing I liked the James Bradberry. Signing James Bradbury is a guy who is twenty six years old who is a solid number one corner and someone that Dave gettleman drafted so he knows. What type of player is a person's right? So I I like both things that the giants did yesterday. Of course there's many many holes but they had hoped that you Norris Jenkins could have been the guy to bring along all those young corners. He attempted to do that. Didn't work out all that. Well you know James Bradbury as a season guy even at twenty six years old is hopefully the guy they can help the Andre Baker and Corey Balentine and the rest of the young players in that secondary. So it's a star. It's a good start for the giants. Now you know yesterday for the jets. It was a lot of frustration for jets fans because they wanted to land one of the top offensive. Linemen available I think Jack Conklin was the guy that everybody had their sights on. He ends up going to the Cleveland. Browns the Cleveland browns continued to make splashes there in the off season. We'll see if it turns into anything but you know it was six and ten seventy nine season again But the jets out on on Conklin the jets miss out on grant McLennan cow which is another guy who had high grades and Free Agency in one of the top two or three of Lyman available in free agency and everybody imagine with Joe Douglas's history of offensive lines and wanting to build that up that they would spend the money and instead you know they go out and it's a it's a shorter deal with George fant cheaper deal it's a cheaper deal and shorter content and got a three year deal so did fan three years and got forty two million and thirty million right. So you know the the interesting they. There is a ton of three year deals interesting. A ton of three year deals and I'm wondering if that has something to do the cap going on with the CAP on the seventeenth game there. Are you know there was The Byron Jones zeal from Miami. That was five years. Colvin for Miami was four years. Vitae for Philadelphia was five years but I mean seventeenth games going to happen when for four years so then the seventeen game will happen in the third year of these contracts. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm assuming not this year not next year but the year after or is it the year after. I thought it was going to be as early as twenty twenty one. Twenty Okay Isis. So then it would be in your of these of these graduates. Yes so I don't know I don't know but I mean I. It's it's very early to judge. Joe Douglas's job because there's been one day of free agency so on that hand I say give them some time the jets made splashes the last couple of years and CJ Moseley in Levian Bell and Tremaine Johnson and the like and really none of that has worked out so far for one reason or another. So just. Because you're spending these big box doesn't necessarily mean it's GonNa turn into production but you on the other hand I can. I can understand the jet Fan Frustration. Because you know they look around and see. The Miami Dolphins not messing around go bringing in three impact players in Byron Joe Jack Lawson and Kyle Van Noy well. We'll see you know winning the free agency. Derby doesn't always mean that you're going to win the Games you know. Come the fall but I will. I will say that I liked the colts. What they did they sign their tackled. Costanzo and then they trade it for Buckner. So that's offense blind defensive line. I love that at that. Colt defense is going to be really good. This year and adding buckner right in the middle of it is exactly what they need because I like them in the Baltimore. Ravens are really fighting to stop. Patrick Mahomes you're trying to figure out ways to get him to stop him and what they saw in the Super Bowl was pass rush. Got Up the middle. And that's where buckner was coming from. There was a lot of twisting and stunting with Armstead and both and I mean they hit patrimony quite a bit so I think a lot of a lot of teams in the AFC especially are looking at that saying we got to get those guys if we wanna beat or even have a chance to be Kansas City in the playoffs and I would say that Robbie Anderson staying with the jets after what happened. Yesterday is more of a priority now. We both said that Ravi Anderson left in free agency with an expensive deal. Your it might not be the worst thing for the jets at this point with the way things shook out yesterday and also some of these available wide receiver. I didn't know that the Andrea Hopkins was as availability was but apparently was stefan digs getting traded. I mean I don't know exactly Amari Cooper signing re-signing with the cowboys right and the jets need a guy. Ravi Anderson the beyond the team right. Now there's already chemistry between Donald Anderson. I think it's a it's there's a priority on getting that deal done now at least after one crazy day of free agency. Well you know I would say that since he did not have an agreement with somebody else that kind of tells you that he's probably stuck in some spot where teams are afraid to give him a lot of guaranteed money as he wants to stay with the jets and jets would like to keep them but they're not going to overpay to keep him he's not going to and especially with the wide receivers that are going to be available in this draft. That's not going to help. Sam Darnold 'cause he's GonNa have to help those guys as opposed to having a guy like Robbie Anderson who does have a relationship with so I I still think that core heads will prevail assuming that somebody just doesn't go overpay and he'll remain a jet but and I know they like speed and everything. It's just it's just a question you know. He's had a number of issues off the field and you have to be really really careful about how much guaranteed money. You'RE GONNA give a guy that you know you you want and you WanNa help and you want to help move forward and help him grow as a man and all that other stuff but you also have to be realistic about some of the things that have gone on in the past and you just got to be really careful about that. So hopefully will get his money and hopefully he'll be able to stay with the jets and and Sam Darnold now the interesting thing. I'm ask question. Can you see for the life of you Tom in a bucket near uniform? Yeah no kidding me. I know that that makes even have been saying. He's been gone now for weeks. If the box are the leader in the clubhouse. That's a tough thing for me to to figure out. I I can't no I. It would be bruce. Arians and Ham Byron left which is the offense coordinator. Yeah and have a good offensive team. There's no question about it. Great Wide Receiver. They throw the ball down the field with arens. Well well with crazy James Right. They always down the fiel- down the field down the field. Then Brady's not down the field thrower you know. A lot of his passes our ten yards or less now. He's incredibly accurate thrower and can read any defense. You throw at him and this will. He'll be going into a new offense. They're not going to change the offense to to meet his style his vocabulary and all that other stuff but I just can't see them in a book your uniform. That would be ridiculous. Well you can eliminate the Las Vegas raiders off that list. Marcus Mariota back. They're bringing in a Mario with car. And you'll see how that thing works out but I think they realized that Tom Brady thing is over for them so it comes down to three teams comes down to the chargers. The buccaneers and the Patriot. What would what would you think if I told you the dolphins yeah? I don't think so what you want to go in the same division right now. Calvin oil went down there. Bryan floors is the head coach. You know they're spending a lot of money trying to rebuild this team. They've got their stopgap guy. Tom Brady's GONNA WANNA go to a team. That's ready to win immediately. But I don't know how he or is he gonna go chase the dollars? I you know I don't know if it goes at Tampa Obviously Tax Free State and Florida and all that other stuff if he goes to the chargers to me. That's the one that makes the most sense because he just opened a production company out there. Twelve productions so that would make the most sense assuming the chargers are going to pay him because New England is not paying him. You a one year. This is what we're going to pay you and it's going to be in conjunction with what was already on our cat because of what we paid. You Bet is that that's a general manager. That is saying guess what I'm making deals here not you. But he'd better be careful because right now. There's not an option. I mean they're going to have to take a massive step back because there's not another option that could starting quarterback so I mean I I get it you want him to come back at your price but at the same time in the window now is then is shut completely. I mean there is some leverage there for Tom Brady because of Tom Brady goes back to the Patriots. They got a shot. It makes a noise in the AFC. If he doesn't they're done. I thought actually Brady had a really good here last year with a very suspect cast that he started with Josh Gordon. And then they brought in a crazy man. Tony Brown Antonio Brown and areas is subpar year subpar year but he gets the PL- The teams have playoffs again every year. They're in the playoffs. The question is you know. There's no way that the that the the New England patriots are going to give him thirty million dollars in real money this year. Now if you told me they were gonNA pay him seventeen million dollars in real money and have the thirteen million dollar cap it. At Up to thirty million. I could see that because I think that's what they're probably offering. But if you are the La chargers and you were trying to sell season tickets so you gotta get you. GotTa give them like a two year. Seventy five million dollar deal. Don't you have to? This is their opportunity to strike. They've got to do it. They've got to break the bank. I it's boomer and Geo on this Tuesday morning with some. Nfl News. Talk about we'LL GET JERRY RECCO in here with an update in just a couple of minutes.

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Cameron Showdown

Outside the Lines

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Cameron Showdown

"Duke and Carolina tremendous robbery. I in that comes to mind intensity championships excellence. No, regretted, rob. You ought to expect anything here Machado is heading to San Diego. Very risky move. Padre believe they are on the cusp of doing something special. You wanna win championships? Need to have impact players wearing my shakes who. So that you guys see shock and awe is co why? Leonard to Toronto drives gets to the who to Leonard gives them that swagger or facilities. Got this deal done right there at the top of east. What you see your perception sporting event? Welcome to outside the lines. I'm Clinton Yates. It's the greatest rivalry in the history of modern sports. Never at me Duke in North Carolina men's basketball face off tonight. And while baseball's big Domino's are finally falling or big story is from the seat of Durham county, North Carolina home of chefs Bill, of course, it's freshman Zion. Williamson's first taste of this competition. And the secondary market has the prices to prove it at Cameron tickets are going for his high as ten thousand dollars and as this morning. The most expensive seat lift was going for nearly sixty five hundred the cheapest ticket available today, according to vivid seats is just shy of twenty seven hundred dollars reminder the two teams play again in seventeen days the final game of the regular season. The series has featured many stars in wild moments and considering the highlight machine that is gone. We know what people are paying to see tonight, you can tune in at nine pm on ESPN to see number one Duke number eight North Carolina. The. Forty six time. They've met as top ten opponents and Duke leads that series twenty three to twenty two coach K's team hasn't won in SEC regular season title since twenty nine twenty ten but that year this shared it with Maryland first place in the conference is on the line tonight. Our next guest knows this matchup as well. As anyone former Duke guard, Jay Williams who's in the building right now. J let's have some fun. How you doing? Clint. I'm. The year that you have no other choice, but to go, you know, exactly. All right. You're seven one in your blue devils career against the heels. Let's break that down. Do you? Remember that you were the highest scoring player in that game. In which one loss you had against UNC score thirty two points. Do you? Remember who the other highest scoring player wasn't that game? Maybe Joseph forte is exactly correct. Twenty four points. That's a good call. Now, you lead that game in one other category. Do you remember what that was turnovers? Exactly turnovers machine you had four that was a very good call. And so I just wanted to ask you first of all what do you not as bad as I thought about tonight's match up in terms of the largess of everything. Listen, these ticket prices going for all sorts of money Zion is obviously a huge draw. You've seen a lot of these games. Where is this from a hype standpoint for you at this age? Look man, you know, a lot of people talk about this game being hyped. But as a player, it's the most hype game in you always hear people say, oh, well, you know, it's always what the next game. And and that's all coaches talk. But as a player when you walk around this campus on duke's campus, a lot of a lot of Duke, faculty members or North Carolina fans. So from the day, I walk on this campus. People are asking you comparing you to your counterparts. So I'm sure trae Jones has been asked about Kobe white a thousand times in the barber shop in the cafeteria. Hey, doesn't matter that you beat this team. It doesn't matter beat that team. Carolina's gonna get you guys on this day. People my house, I've house down here in Durham is still gets t- peed. Every time North Carolina wins. I've not been in this rivalry since I've been eighteen nineteen years old. That's how it goes. That's how big of a game is home versus a way to make much of a difference to you in this standpoint that teams are so close to each other really matter in terms of this rivalry or is that really just something for the finish to take take hold of. No, no. I definitely matters. I grew up North Carolina fan and actually did end up going to school. There turned down came nine miles down the road fell in love with Duke fell in love with coach K. Kobe is the same thing he grew up being Duke fan didn't get chance to go to school here went to North Carolina. So when you play at home, there's a different feeling that you have your more comfortable, I think there's an advantage tonight for Duke. Yes, they are freshmen, but we get the chance to play your first Duke Carolina game at home that's different than playing away on the road. The Dean Smith center has a way different feel. It's a massive stadium. It's about three times a size of the crowd that you have here. The lights are different feel is different. So yes. Playing at home. If you're do poodle your first game is easier way to break into this series. Then playing on the road deemed O Zion. Williams said had an interesting quote, sifting gears a little bit. He said that even if the NBA had allowed him to go straight to the league, he probably would have gone to college. Anyway, do you believe that he said, I always knew go to? Even if they would've had the NBA rule, I still would have came to college you believe that. And do you think decision just want to get your thoughts on that? I think those decisions are easier said than done, obviously, there is something special about going to a place like Duke University and playing for coach K, I do not know zion's personal situation. That's how he feels in. Great. What I will tell you this. If you were devising if you were financial visor of your an NBA agent, and you were talking about your career, you would not advise somebody like that to go to college will near and potentially get hurt. You tell him to go directly to NBA and start the process of earning your money quicker sooner than later, it's about getting to next contract when you're an NBA if you can get to your next contract when you're twenty two as opposed to twenty three twenty four obviously that extends along jeopardy of the amount of money that you're able to make. So if somebody were advising him, they would've is him exactly different thing. I lasted Jay quickly. What is your favorite moment? From this rivalry not necessarily involve in you. It had to be for me. I have to remain objective with my job. And I know that fans find that difficult to believe, but yeah, I play for coach K, but I'll be the first one to step up and say, I don't agree with something. Like this. That doesn't always put me in the best of light with Duke fans when I show commodity or vice show that I like Carolina's particularly with the way they're playing that doesn't leave me in the best light sometimes with Duke fans or Carolina fan. So I feel like I can't win either way. But when this game happens, there is something inside of me Clinton that makes me remember what it was to me. Like this game had pits in my stomach the entire days leading up to it. I couldn't go to sleep before we played a team like North Carolina because essentially early before I I wanted to go to school there. So the game was bigger than just a robbery was bigger for me. So for me it was watching Austin rivers make that shot inside the dean dome when they won that game. By the buzzer. I've been able to be on on the end of that game by dropping thirty plus points inside a dean dome in winning. That game when we didn't have Carlos boozer myself year when we want it, and it was the best feeling in the world to have twenty thousand plus people just be dead silent. There was nothing better than that. Former Duke guard legend ESPN college basketball, insiders, thank you. Thanks. And when you look at the other teams in your division, you kind of go. Never done that one time never even crossed my mind to do that one time the only way we can look at that division right now with hunger humility. Sixty three point six that's the daily average temperature in San Diego enough of a number to draw plenty people to the city alone. But now many Machado, reportedly, we'll have three hundred million more reasons to wanna live there. The former Orioles in Dodger's slugger is expected to sign with the Padres this week to the richest contract in sports free agency history, something that came to the astonishment of at least one front office person in the league White Sox VP Kenny Williams came right out with it. Wearing my shades. So that you guys don't see the shock in my eyes. It is disappointing. I'd be lying to you. If you know if I said anything other than that, very surprised. There are a few other words. Put on that. But still a little bit of disbelief. It's got to sting for the south siders who believe themselves to be in the running from Chatto only to lose out to team that finished dead last in the west while fielding and opening day roster with the payroll of seventy four million. Let's bring in David Samson of CBS sports HQ. Former Marlins president to discuss he knows the thing or two about huge signings. Brokering junk on Stanton's megadeal back in twenty fourteen. David what was your first reaction when you saw this big number coming from a team like the padras? I couldn't believe that it team bailed out an agent again three hundred million from China over ten years, which means Harper's going to get more which means every Fien is right in the world again. I guess so you're clear on definitely stating that Harper is worth more will get more. Or where are you on that? Because there are certain people that believe what he brings to the table isn't necessarily the same. Even if it is not better or worse than what Machado is you think he's still gets more. No ques-. Harper. That is I think there's no doubt Scott Boris has said that he wants Bryce Harper and the largest free agent contract in history, if not the largest all-time contracts, therefore beating Stanton now he knows the number. He has to beat. He is calling Philadelphia calling Washington calling the giants calling all thirty teams, frankly, Saint okay, it's gonna take three hundred one up to three hundred twenty six tell me a little bit of something about how that process works being in a market like that. And having to convince owner, hey, look, I'm dropping three hundred million plus on one player when our payroll was nothing close to that. In advance of what I'm trying to do here and make a splash. So in San Diego, AJ prowler has to convince his owner that pain Ha's Mer plus Machado plus will Myers about seventy million per year is good allocation, and they have enough payroll to build around that to get some pitching and have some success. This is not like the Miami Heat. Getting LeBron James San Diego is not going to the playoffs this year because of this signing they've got a lot of prospects. They've got a lot of opportunity, but they need more around him switching gears a little bit. There's a lot of people that think that might trout's deal is one that will get redone. How do you see that shaking out if it were to happen for the guy who a lot of people considered to be the best player in the big even if he's not the biggest star? There's always I think he is the biggest star and the best player, but there's always going to be a new best. So we'll trout beat Machado if he gets to free agency. And he continues to perform the way he is. He will be Machado where does it all. And at some point there's a market top. And I thought it was now I didn't think that Machado would get three hundred or Harper after he turned it down from Washington, but I was wrong. Well, so what's that number for you for trout, if you're really looking at it that way, I mean, let's just say Harper gets up to three twenty five if we're gonna top ended where do you go with trout if you consider him to be the biggest star in the best player overall? It's all about the number of years. Right. Do keep doing forty million a year forty five million a year for ten years twelve years. It has to end at some point because it's very hard to explain the value of one player making that much money versus what you could do if you took that money and allocated separately, and Kenny Williams, we have a message for you. It's gonna be okay. I promise you're going to be very happy that you don't have this contract. Well, that was the last thing I was gonna ask you. How far does this have to go in terms of free agents? Not getting in the Cam for baseball really be looked up. Not just baseball fans. But I think fans of sports in general as having a massive problem. Well, the massive from that we're looking at in baseball is that we need to get younger. We need the demographics to change. And we need people to be more excited and not talking about players not signing. We need to be talking about the game. Talking about the excitement building fans, and we have to work together with the union the owners and the union has to work together, not fighting back and forth for the next three years about labor. They need to come together or else the golden goose that they are all living under is going to turn to stone, which is a mixed metaphor. I'll put you on the spot very quickly a national fan. So watching Bryce walkaway is not going to be easy. But where do you think he ends up at this stage of the game? As a national STAN you've been watching baseball pretty much every October since you've had Bryce, so don't worry about it. They've got a great team still the best pitcher and even with Harper going to Philly where I think he ends up. I still think Washington is the team to beat in that division. Samson CBS sports to used to be an executive. Well, thank you. Before twenty eleven. 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They've been the best team in the NBA. We welcome in Toronto. Raptors president Jiri look you've got the second best record in the east. Nick, nurses, story is crazy you traded away when he most popular players. I mean, you must be genius. What's going on? You tell me a little something about how the rafts doing doing. Okay. I think now is the time. When is going to start ramping up all star game is done. Finally and trade deadline is done. I think other good first half of the season. And now, we we see we see Wade goes to time. Everybody wants to wants to watch. Okay. Transaction Twitter is a big deal in the NBA. Let me read you a quote from quish, Chris Bosh says even now I don't remember the last time Toronto got a big free agent signing, it's usually spart trades that have done it. What do you think about that? Man. How hard is it for Teo to draw people in terms of age market, Chris boss? My boy. No, I think things of things have evolved in my opinion. When I when I look at the time he was in Toronto on now. I think it's a little bit different. I think winning helps team is one a little bit. Because Bosch was in Toronto for seven years average, thirty three wins is how difficult I think to bring to say come on play here. He went to play. He went somewhere else to play. Right. Yeah. So I think that those times past you Volve as a team, I think. Players. Look, I did mall open. And I just Toronto is different. There's a unique opportunity there that players have figured out yet. It's a gold mine. I think to be to attack the world in in many ways one team one country now. Yes, and global. I think we have to start using. Toronto being the only team outside the NBA that's outside America as a strength, not nother weakness that was that was the way I looked. You get to you're not competing with twenty nine teams popularity standpoint. Fans popularity I think you can tell with votes players get the all star from a global perspective. 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And I think Commissioner is being in the forefront of known they come into our free car lot. But push. Shing the business of sports in Africa, which is very overlooked. Listen, the population of Africa, and the people they say in two thousand and fifty one out of every four people in the world will be would be Africa. And what are we doing with that? And I feel the business of sports and sports is that big opportunity for the next generation of African. How are we using basketball? How are we using the talent over there talent is incredible? Which is the base in beats the. The Pasquale all these players surge. You back a lot of them walking around Africa. And we need the facilities. We need the camps. We need the clinics now we need the league. And this is important. This is where this comes in. And I think it's huge the NBA made is taking steps and Adam has taken steps to to bring this to fruition. All right. He's messiah juries president of the rafters in an Jerry. Thanks. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: What if Giants weren't champs in 2011?

Big Blue View

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: What if Giants weren't champs in 2011?

"Are you troubled by strange hockey traits of the middle of the night? Do you experienced feelings of dread about NHL free agency? Have you or your family ever seen at New York Islanders game? If the answer is yes, then don't wait, another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to lighthouse hockey podcasts from SP nation today are courteous, efficient hosts are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York Islanders fans. Hello giants fans and welcome to another edition of the Valentine's views podcast, here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts this week at SP nation. If you're aware, our flagship site has been doing what they call a what if theme week we've done a couple of posts at big blue view, regarding, what if one on what if the giants drafted Sam darnold, instead of saquon Barkley, which is sort of a topic that we go back to over and over and over again. Another is what if the giants had simply drafted, Ben Rothlisberger in two thousand and four instead of making the trade for Eli manning, we'll have a little bit more big blue view on the what if topics, one of the things I wanted to do initial shock want to explore the idea. Of what would have happened to the giants franchise had, they not made that great run in two thousand eleven and won the Super Bowl to help me explore that topic. I'm going to turn to good friend Patricia traina. This happens to be something Patty and I have talked about a few times on off line in, in other in other conversations. So Patty, how are you today and you're ready to do this? I'm ready. Add nice to nice to have you here on looking out my window, and it's a beautiful beautiful summer day. And, and, you know, we're we're what five six weeks away from training camp? Now, Patty, I'll it's gonna fly quickly, but yeah, where we're closing up the month of June. And once we roll into July and get past the fourth of July. It's it'll be here in a snap. Yes, it will. I'm already looking at my calendar going. Wow. I have a lot to do a lot to get done a lot going on. And all of a sudden it's going to be July twenty fourth. Twenty-fifth and giants are going to be are going to be off and running. Tell me about it. I'm trying to scramble to get profiles done. I'm working on my book chapters on trying to take care of the daily stuff so much so much stuff to do. And I'd like to take a vacation somewhere in the time, you know, I, I won't tell you that I'm actually squeezing in a little five AK shin in July. I won't I won't mention that I won't mention killing I just won't tell you that I'm that my wife and I are taking my granddaughter to keep cod for a week. I won't tell you that. Okay. I'll pretend I didn't hear that. All right, then. So Patty, what we wanted to talk about today is the two thousand eleven Super Bowl. We know that, that was a great run for the giants unexpected run. No one is ever going to give that back or want to give back a Super Bowl title. But the giants haven't been successful in any way, shape or form since winning that Super Bowl and something that, that you and I have talked about a little bit in the past is the idea that perhaps that second Super Bowl sort of fooled the organization, a little bit into thinking maybe that they had more talent maybe that the roster was in better shape than it was in just just thinking about that had. They not one Super Bowl. Can you see things over the last six seven years unfolding a lot differently for this franchise? I if you talking in terms of, I guess, you're, you're referencing, Jerry Reese because when you talk about things on folding you, can you can obviously start with Jerry Reese, you could start with Tom kopplin. You can start with aligned manning. Even I'm going to start with Jerry Reese, I don't think it would have necessarily changed right there on the spot had the giants not one that Super Bowl, I think, you know, what, what we started to see is how the, the giants were, you know, the draft classes weren't panning out. The giants had a rely heavily on free agency. And, you know, they were lucky they were able to get some key cogs in free agency that year that helped win the Super Bowl and unfortunately, I think what happened is that set a precedent because, you know, I it was. Like a safety blanket. For Jerry Reese that, you know. Oh, well, if the draft classes, don't work out if I manage my money, right? I get mulligans, and that is not the way to build the franchise. I think we all know that, that eventually catches up to you and it did catch up to the franchise. So I think had the giants lost that Super Bowl based on what I know from the mayor family, the Tisch family. I think they would have been patient. They would have said, okay, look we got there. We can get there again. You know, I think they would probably looked at, you know what were the reasons why they lost it. But, you know, certainly, you know, when you do win the Super Bowl like the giants did with a team that may be, you know, the talent level was on par with a lot of other teams that didn't get into the tournament. So to speak, it does create a sense of, you know, maybe we're a little bit better than what we actually are. And then it may be creates that sense of resting on your laurel. So. To speak. Yeah, I guess I'm looking at it. Like like not only maybe they get to the game and lose the game but I'm looking at it like that. Run doesn't happen and they don't get there at all. And I guess what I'm wondering when it comes to when it comes to Jerry when it comes to, to some of that organizational change that the giants eventually made going to Dave Gettleman, I guess, what I'm wondering is without that second Super Bowl title would ownership. And we don't know the answer. It's just speculation. It just you wonder if ownership would have shown the patients that they showed by staying with Jerry through two thousand fifteen when, when they removed Tom Coughlin. I just I don't know that the leash would have been nearly as long. You know, it's interesting, I think, and I know people are not gonna wanna hear this, but I wouldn't have been surprised that they had stayed with Jerry because look how many times have has John Maher stood before us and talked about how important continuity was, and, you know, I if you look at the number of years after that, that the giants discussing to slide downhill, most of us I think, you know, if we were in that job. And for anybody else didn't have a patient, boss, like Jerry had with, with John Mara. I think most of us probably would have been thrown out after a couple of years of downward trend, but, but, you know, John Maher is a very patient, man. He's, he's there every day, you know, he's got his boots on the ground. So to speak. Obviously Steve Tisch has assay being half owner of the team. He has a say. In in the direction it goes. But, you know, you, you just wonder if, if maybe, you know, when the giants set down, and they, they looked at things at the end of the year. They pointed to two factors that maybe weren't beyond certain people's controls, as being the reason. Like, for example, you know, hey Jerry Rishi say, well, hey look, I drafted, you know, David Wilson is it my fault that he got hurt and his career ended, you know, and here, the marriage and the tissue say, well, no it's not your fault. That's just bad luck. You know, you could also look and say, you know, is it my fault that keen, Nick suffered that knee injury was never the same after that, you know. So there are other circumstances that, that you can point to, and I'm looking at this from, maybe, you know, Jerry Reese perspective, the say that, look, if this didn't happen, then I wouldn't have had to do this. So I think that's a big reason why Jerry. Was the Ford such a long leash that and at and the fact that the marathon and the Tisch family, appreciate and strive for continuity at the top of the leadership. So I think those were the factors involved there. You can go all the way back to, you know, when we talk about what if and all of that, you can go all the way back to Chad Jones back back to that, you know, because that, that created a whole, and there are a lot of what if and you just, you know, it's I suppose, that's the way sports is. You can always look at you can go back to well what if this played in happen? What if that play didn't happen, you know, in that Super Bowl game you know, in, in the first giant Super Bowl, you can go back to what if Eli manning was called in the grasp before the helmet catch, you know, so, so there are? But I, I think this is one of the things that make sports great is because you can, you can sort of what if this and look at alternate scenarios, and, and see just how things would have would have been affected. Yeah. Absolutely. Now, you know, I think do I think that the giants stayed with Jerry too long. You know, I think they gave him every opportunity to fix the mess that he created. Unfortunately, you know, the he I don't think the heat really turned on up under Jerry's backside until it was too late. Because look if you blow one draft class, or I that you could probably recover from you. You blow a second one in a row now it's a little bit tougher. But when you. And this is regardless of what the circumstances were, you know, whether it was because of the season, you know, a career ending injury or guy, just that just didn't pan out. But when you have success of draft classes like three or more, that's a awfully big hole to Klein out up. And at that point, you know, it, what happens is your core players start to age or skill start to decline a little bit. And it just becomes an imbalanced roster at a unbalanced roster rather. And it just creates a bigger hole for you know, to fix because, now you don't have the youth on board to supplement, you know, some of these older guys that are, you know, skills are off case in point. You know, look at how many years, it took for them to finally really address quarterback get a successor onboard for ally manning, you know, alike, instill play. But who are we all going to, you know, who's going to disagree with the fact that his skills are slightly dropping off a little bit, you? Can see it. You know, so they have that the point is, you wanna have a guy who's ready to step up and step in for when the bottom drops out on the guy in front of you. And the giants haven't had that, and what they've had to do is they've had to go to free agency. They've had to spend big bucks. Now, they can't keep the guys that maybe they wanna keep or maybe they can't be competitive and free agency. You know, you, you very rarely get what you pay for free agency and it just puts you into a vicious cycle. Hello listener. I'm Sean Rama's firm. Host of today. Explained vox, daily news podcast every day, Monday through Friday, my team and I look at what's happening in the world. We pick one essential news story that defines our moment, and asks smart people to help us understand it in about twenty minutes or less. It's the perfect way to start. Her your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. It's from Stitcher and the vox media podcast network. Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown focused, your avengers of college football podcast. It says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically, what I mean is every Tuesday, we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling, too unfashionable pants worn Middleton. We also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers, fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coaches. Where now if you want to take college football, exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Yes, it does. And, you know, the other area that we always talked about with with Jerry was offensive line. And, and I will never you know, over, I think, beginning in two thousand thirteen when Jerry drafted Justin Pugh, I think he tried to fix that offensive line. It just he just never really got it. Right. So, you know again, maybe, you know that's another what if what if a couple of those picks had panned out differently. You know what if you choose a couple of different offensive linemen, and things work out a little bit better? But you know but but Jerry, Jerry had his run. And you know, let's let's, let's turn to another what if in that when we talk about that two thousand eleven Super Bowl and you mentioned Eli, and we kind of have to talk about allies legacy when we talk about what if you know, his, his hall of fame candidacy is basically based on those two Super Bowl victories, because they're so special that, you know, every, I think every quarterback that has to Super Bowl titles is in the hall of fame in ally has to over Tom Brady, which make those even more special. But we talk about sort of cause and effect. I wonder if you can actually build a case for you. I manning as a whole fame quarterback if he doesn't have that second Super Bowl title. That's tough one. I mean, I guess if you wanna compare you can look at Phil Simms because Phil Simms. The giants won two Super Bowls and Phil Simms is era. But if you remember the second one in nineteen ninety Phil Simms, I think, took them to ten in our or something like that. And then he suffered a season ending injury in Jeff Hostetler took them the rest of the way through Super Bowl twenty five. So, you know there are some who argue, well, you know, the giants don't get to the Super Bowl unless Phil Simms gets into the ten in start. And then there are others say, well he didn't finish the job. And you know, as we know Phil is not, you know, he's not in the Super Bowl, he's not even you know, on the ballot anymore because, you know after being on the ballot he never made the first cut. So I think, yeah, I think definitely, you know, you can you. Can make that argument. But you'll Hughes, here's the other thing that I wonder with the line, his is potential hall thing candidacy, you know, they're going to a lot of people tend to remember what have you done for me lately? And if the giants don't bounce back this year, a lot of people going to look back and say, well, you know what the giants were terrible under Eli, is the last several years of his career now, whether or not those it's allies fault, that's not relevant to the argument that these people are going to make. So that's why this is this year is very important. I think for Eli potential hall of fame case, I think at the giants bounce back. They have a solid year. They do it without an ode L Beckham junior. You know, they do they do it, you know. And you know, the Dade got him we can say. Well, look see, I told you it was the offense of line, I told you it was to defense I fixed all that. And see, I told you could still play, then I think maybe can salvage. Dj or make a stronger case with hall of fame. If the giants end up with another poor record, then I think it's going to be really, really difficult for him to get in, even though he has to Super Bowl wins, because his critics are going to point to other factors gonna point to, you know, the defense is that the giants had on those two Super Bowl teams they're going to point to, you know the running game, you know, everything accepting ally, the credit that's due. And you know he was a part of it. You know you've got to give him his props, but, you know he his critics are, you know, just as his critics now look at him and blame him for everything except war and famine famine that's what's going to happen. I guarantee. That's what's going to happen. If his name comes up for consideration for the hall of fame Patty, you know, I I'm one who football is a fifty three man game will actually on game days right now. It's a forty six man game. But I'm one. One who, who really hates this idea that you attach a regular season? One loss record to a quarterback's resume, you know. Yes, the quarterback is the most important player on the field because he touches the ball and every play, and he makes so many decisions and all of that. But so many factors out of a quarterback's control. Go into whether a game is won or lost that. I just I hate the idea of attaching a one loss record to particular quarterback. But with that said, I think it is absolutely much more difficult to make a hall of fame case. For ally manning now in two thousand and nineteen that it might have been after the two thousand eleven season. Maybe even you know, two thousand thirteen. In two thousand fourteen when you can when you can, I guess, you know, quote unquote, forgive a couple of, of poor seasons for a team, but I absolutely agree with the idea that, that this run of, of consistently bad football for for more than, you know, for more than five years now for six out of the last seven years. It absolutely hurts his, his hall of fame case there to me, there's no doubt about that. You know, at one thing I feel very strongly about. And I know this is probably not going to score me, many brownie points with colleagues and whatnot, but the, the hall of fame selection committee consists of senior sports writers and they're, they're excellent writers, they do of band tastic job. And hey, look there they have their legends. I mean in their own way with that said, you know, I I question some of the law. Gic you know when, when when you look at the decisions, and the and the information that comes out of the selection, meaning to me, if, if it were up to me, I would say, look, if you wanna have sports writers on your panel for your whole thing, great, but also include people who played the game, and who can better, you know, really get into the Xs and os and, and determine you know who, who made the contribution who didn't because there are things that I don't know how well certain people really understand. You know, like with quarterbacks, you know, people get interceptions. For example, they say oh my God, you know this quarterback head fifty interceptions and what that nobody takes into consideration is were the interceptions all on the quarterback or were they tip passes where they receivers that ran incorrect routes. That's where I think having someone who may be played the game or really understands the Xs and os can help with maybe an an advisor toy. Ori- advisory role to the hall of fame committee. It's just it's just, you know, I think back to when Harry Carson was constantly snubbed for the hall of fame when George Young is constantly stuff, the hall of fame. And I just never understood that. And my belief back then, as it is now is, you had people who were looking at the surface, maybe not going beyond that to really understand, and appreciate the, the contributions that these, you know that these two men made the game party, we are going to have to do a whole separate show, sometime on hall of fame and guys who should be in and shouldn't be in, and this and that because. Not only the, you know, the, the pro football hall of fame. As a baseball fan. I look at baseball and I have my issues with how they do that there as well. I mean, my my thing is sometimes I look at it, and I wonder sometimes how a guy gets a hall of fame vote in two thousand eighteen or when he's been on the ballot for eight years, and he wasn't hall of Famer, the eight previous years. So why is he a hall of Famer now that one, I don't understand? He either is or he isn't you either thought he was if you thought he was not a hall of Famer five years ago. Why do you think he is? Now. I don't I really don't get that. But, you know, but that's a whole, we could probably do an hour long show on that particular topic. There is one more thing about the two thousand eleven what if that I wanted to mention, and it's another ally peace, and we've talked about we've talked about the presence of Daniel Jones on the. Roster. We talked about Jerry Reese, getting a longer leash. The other what if that I always wonder about with had the giants not one that second Super Bowl considering the way things have gone the last few years, you wonder if you I manning would still be giant, least I do. I wonder if they would, if they would've given him such a long leash and had such allegiance to him over the last few years as they struggled, or if the organization would have would have found that era parent two three four years ago. Now that's interesting at I, I think they would have stuck with ally. You know, allies a very unique athlete. And let's get about the fact that, you know, he's a manning. You know, which is obviously one of the first families of football. I think if you look at what ally brought the table, you know how he handled himself his durability. These are all things that I know resonate with, you know, the with management because think about if you own a business, and you have an employee who comes in every day, does his job doesn't make waves doesn't bring embarrassment to you. You know. Yeah, he's going to have his his off days. Maybe I'll have a couple of weeks or stretch time, where he might not be performing the way you want him to. But for the most part, you know, you can count on him. And when you look at the, the down periods that, that he delivers you, you see the whole. Picture what's contributing to it. You tend to stick with that guy, you know. And good example is look at look at what the giants did Phil Simms. I mean Bill SIMS lasted what fifteen season sporting seasons something like that. They stuck with him because, you know he was he was a good performer. I mean he had his injury issues. Yes. We all know that, but they stuck with him for a number of years before, finally deciding to, to move on to, to successive, which at the time was Dave Brown. But quarterbacks, unlike running backs, unlike just about any other position on the team quarterbacks is not something you wanted change every every year or every two or three years, you pretty much have to let them develop you have to let them grow into the role and just see where they go. That's why you see so many quarterbacks in the league today, you know, on the successful teams teams that bed venture into the playoffs. They been with the franchise for a number of years. Very rarely DC a team that has a quarterback, you know that that changes quarterbacks every year and you want. Good example, that look at Cleveland how they how they had what like over, two dozen quarterbacks in a in the last, what ten fifteen years or something like that. You don't win that way. So I think that if the giants had lost two thousand eleven that Super Bowl, I don't necessarily think that would have meant the end of ally. Manning. I think it would have, you know, they would have looked at it, and they would have said, okay, why did we lose it, but you can't blame it on one guy, you have to look at the entire picture. You know, maybe you know, a good example, you know. And I know this is kind of getting a little off topic. But if you go back to the Super Bowl that they lost against the ravens and you say, okay, why did they lose that against the ravens ravens had a damn good defense. I mean, the ravens basically didn't let the giants to any of. The things that they, they were good at doing and the giants had no answers for that. So at that point, you say, okay. Well, you know what Kerry Collins loss game. So we're going to fire him. Or do you blame that on the coaches for not having a backup plan in the game plan to counter what the ravens we're going to do, especially if you allegedly knew what the region's ravens, we're gonna do to you on defense? So there's just so many factors involved there. And to say that, you know, ally manning, they should have moved on from him or maybe they would have moved on for him. I, I don't know that that's true. No, it's just, you know, in the spirit of, of, of the whole, what if thing I just wonder if you know if overtime you know if the giants had struggled in two thousand thirteen fourteen fifteen the way that they had you just wonder if, if the if Manning's time with the giants would have would have run out a little sooner than it than it actually, will it just another thing it along these lines. You know, we don't we don't really know the answer to any of these questions. It's just a lot of fun to talk about. How sure so Patty I think, I think, I think we've pretty well covered this one today wanted to tell folks a little bit about what you've got going on. Make sure folks know where to find you on Twitter in, in case for some very strange unforgivable reason, they all they don't already so, so, so go ahead. So are you can find me on Twitter at Patricia underscore traina? T R. A N A. You can also find me on the lot lunch ci- podcast doing previews of the giants two thousand nineteen opponents next week we've got NFC east week. So we're doing the three NFC east opponents, you can also find my work on Forbes where I'm doing analytical work. And I also have some player player profile work that is coming up that I'm really excited about. And then finally, you can check me out on the football maven. The giants football maven. That's football maven dot I O slush NY giants were doing with video doing like a little player by player preview. A so we have a little video story. 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REShow: Ron Woodson and Jerome Bettis. Hour 1 (08-02-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Ron Woodson and Jerome Bettis. Hour 1 (08-02-19)

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You're my flavor umbrella tasty garlic steak and provolone with you might taste buds are never alone savory chicken pesto. Still you have my affection for you. Complete the data collection. Thank you get them before they're gone at subway limited time only at participating restaurants well. Hello everybody live from Canton Ohio. The home of the pro football hall of fame it is time for yet another enshrinement weekend and we are covering for you as only we can't and only we love to do and man. Do we love to be here good to see you Chris Brockman. How are you sir anybody? Hey Buddy what's happening. Trip good to see you. Mikey we are in <hes> we are in the hall of fame literally in the hall of Fame Right now and the hall ah fame busts are upstairs and the gallery and the actual human beings across the hallway. I mean it's like night at the museum. The buses come alive and they're right across the hallway because we are stationed right across the hallway from the rate niche luncheon which is named after obviously the packers great who decided many many moons ago to have Evan event a members only event to kick off the enshrinement weekend were only hall of famers are allowed in the room and the hall of Famers who are about to get inducted are brought in the room and get a little bit of a lesson of what's expected of them and many of them <hes> as you know are are <hes> guys waiting S- quite some time to get in and are the case Gil Brandt. I think nineteen times the age of the youngest guy that's in the room and it was the youngest guy in the room Ladainian Tomlinson L._T.. Yeah it's all too soon. It'll be Gronk I think so oh yeah he'll come back this year. When you eat a hat so at any rate we're we're going to be pulling guys from out of the luncheon across the room? Rod Woodson is going to be first up in about fifteen minutes time and then <hes> you know I think the western P._A.. A listenership of our of our <hes> richeisenshow audience and there's a lot of people in in Ohio here certainly in Canton Ohio <hes> who come from Western P._A.. All the time because they love their football in the case of Thai law he's from aliquippa Pennsylvania this term western Pennsylvania himself <hes>. I'm Jim Kelly is here and as a matter of fact the reason why once again the hall of fame induction ceremony no longer takes place in the steps of this great building facility but in a stadium stadium across the ways because Jim Kelly when he went in the rush the number of people who came from Western P._A.. And then above it from western New York to Western P._A.. To right here in Ohio overwhelmed hall though I you know we just gotTa have a stadium so Jim Kelly's on this show and it's always great to see Jim. He's here. We're knocking on wood right now. Cancer Free How long is GONNA stop by Jerome Bettis after Rod so we're GonNa go <hes> <hes> Rod and then Jerome Bettis and <hes> by the end of Jerome Bettis appearance on this first hour. I will have in my back pocket some <hes> form of wager for the Michigan down in October and so there's that there's that we're we're. We're very excited to be here and how many people already great people have start counting Ohio of the come up to US already. Are we okay. What do you need? It's overwhelming the catalyse. The I know it is it is awesome so we're here. We're excited in the hall of Fame Game Last Night <hes> known for I think a couple of things I I think I and I say this with <hes> with all ultimate respect didn't think if you're you're you're you're a prompt better right Chris. was there a bed anywhere throughout the entire offseason that you could lay Lee money down that the number one story line of the hall of fame game would be vic fangio's urinary. You know there. was there one all of my a internet site scouring. I didn't see that how many how many Vic Fangio kidney stone fantasy team names were born last night all of them my gosh poor guy I don't know I can't I can't even imagine Mike you were talking earlier about. How how how painful it is to have kidney stones I asked you have you ever had a kidney stone and you said No? He said you're out of the room. Go ahead but you had pain hip. It was like you got one. Yes and the doctor said this is what it's like wow but imagine it a thousand times worse you go and and he coached coached with it and that's the way it's very rare that a coach is like I'm going to have kidney stones. You know what I got. It's my first head coaching to use this as motivation to all the guys I can look at them if they're ever thinking that they can't do it or they. They've got this thing wrong with them and they might not be the answer the balance they'll say hey I had a frigging kidney stone in the hall of fame. I still coach that one game good motivation so and then after that it's the fact that Vic Fangio was the first head coach to challenge pass interference calls it happened last night and the play stood is called the replace stood as called the the penalty stood is called very rare that the place that the penalty stood is called and I'll be honest with you. I thought the flag should have been thrown to begin again with it. I did not see I thought the flag should have been thrown to begin with and I don't think there was any visual evidence that you could make to have picked the flag up up and I thought that you couldn't make any specific. Call say it absolutely was upheld. You can't say that it was a thousand thousand percent pass interference. It's like look it looked like it. They threw a flag on it and we're just GONNA do stands it's called it helped that our river on our guest one week ago on this very day in Los Angeles the head of was physically in the booth to handle things right away well with Walt Anderson the referee and so it was quick it happened. It was the exact thing that we're looking at Terry. mcaulay walked you through it for <music> Allen Chris and the N._B._C. crew about you're looking for a clear and obvious foul if there is no call and if there is a call you're looking for a clear and obvious obvious piece of visual evidence to overturn it and pick the flag up and it worked and it was quick and on Oh my okay can we can we get this one hundred percent of the time but again and this is why people are concerned and we are we are part of those people people is that this wasn't similar to the N._F._C. Championship game and that's the reason why this rule was put into places to prevent the N._F._C. Championship game glaring airing omissions from being put into play not with that's a flag that's called. Let's see if we should pick it up again. This was put into place with no flag was down. We need to see if we should put one down right. The first instance of it flag was thrown. Let's see if he should pick it up and you you Bet El River on was looking to see if the receivers pushing off as well and it was a simple clear cut quick situation. Are you glad or are disappointed that it went the way it did glad remember last year. At this time at the hall of fame game there were three helmet-to-helmet penalties that were called and we're like what the Hell's going to happen this season what a mess this looks like and they did eventually clean it up with a phone call between Troy Vincent the head of football ops and all the referees and coaches etc well that was clay Matthews God hose this liking this they made the call during the preseason about the helmet to helmet stuff that that the stuff that we saw in the hall of fame game last year was not an issue in the season started was an issue with the season started was the roughing the passer stuff which wasn't helmet-to-helmet the roughing the passer stuff as we all know after after the packers lost the game. They lost a game so yes. The answer is. I'm glad that that it was clean. I want clean and I want easy. It's going to happen where we're not. GonNa get it and get ready for it but we'll ask Matt Patricia. The Detroit Lions Lines head coach is GonNa join us in our number to call in from <hes> lions camp lines practice lines training camp later. We'll ask him what he thought of it because I'm sure all these coaches are going. We're looking at it and in certainly in the preseason to see are we getting this right is everything that we were told by the front office and the football operations going to be the way we we have been told it's going to be so we'll chat with him in our number. Two of the show is Rod Woodson's just about to come in here one other thing. I want to get to Zeke's Dylan Combo right as far as we know okay by the way it took almost took so so Dan long for me to get from Los Angeles to hear almost almost walked to Kabul and back. The semi flight took off again. Let's yeah me and Wingo together. We'll talk about that later on up. So if I'm if I'm a little loopy it's because I touched down here in Canton Ohio at three thirty in the morning well done. Thank you sir about nine hours ago but I do want to hit this real quick Zeke's Dylan Kabo Nabo. He's not in southern California where the cowboys are training and for a team. That's not going to talk about contracts at every day. Jerry Jones said we're not GONNA do daily conduct. I respect that you're asking these questions right now but I'm not going to do it with the exception of And this was something they are not going to as he said set the market. What does that mean? They're not gonNA give Zeke something better than Todd Gurley Yep and I think they think that girlie set the market improperly to begin with so just because the rams did it with girly does not mean the cowboys. You'RE GONNA do with Zeke. This is what Steven Jones had to say rotate. We've got three really good football players that we're dealing with here and they've got very good representation and you know they want to see the market. We can't push this unless we want to be a market setter and we're damn sure not going to be a market sadder because of all the things that go with being a Dallas Cowboy Oy we want to be fair. We want our players to feel good about their contract but at the same time we don't want to do things that are out of line or ABC because we can't afford to be that way so james later my colleague in the N._F._l.. Media Group she instagram doubt saying quote Todd Gurley didn't deserve todd Gurley money. I'm told that's the way the cowboys see Marshall Faulk posts on her instagram an answer. Why does the running back market need a reset too many bum Q._B.'s in the N._F._l.? Making undeserved or on earned money now do I bring this up not only because it's a it's a succinct take from Marshall Years Ago in Marshall Win of the pro football hall of fame and claimed this place rightfully football heaven. His presenter was rocky arsenault his agent. That's right Marshall Faulk is is as tight with rocky arsenault. Anybody can get rocky arson. Client is Ezekiel Elliott K. seeing dots here that might be a little window into what's going on in terms of a little confab and Kabo as to why somebody's not in Oxnard. I am still unconcerned about Zeke's building week one I mean Mike looks really good right now. It's I mean Rod Woodson. How our you you just sat down? How are you sir good to see what's going on brother? Yeah I just I just wanted to set this up so when we take a break come back and have this conversation with you in full that you hear everything everything I get your two cents on this subject also know that you see the hat on Mike del Tufo set right there that calloway hat yeah. I said I would eat it. If Zeke wasn't the week one starter started the Dallas cowboys. Hold your thoughts right there. That's pro football hall of Famer Rod Woodson right here on the rich Eisen show when we come back great chat with Rod with Jerome Madison Jim Kelly and how we long behind them right here at the pro football hall of fame and whoever we have no idea IRV might mike jump out. You never know always good <hes>. That's how we're rolling here from Canton Ohio where back in a moment everybody's got to do list drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's here's an idea let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM and in fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket of course this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this. 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I don't care what you do. If I had a gold jacket I would I would I would walk around town with it. Just like how how you doing yeah but said <music> I'm going to I'm thinking the Jack. I'm going to get gas everywhere everywhere everywhere. I think so what I would do but that's the difference between me I guess Ron but it was a special night for for me because Berman introduced Ralph Wilson whose name is on the building that we're sitting in right now the way and Batman I I did the whole Enchilada and the fact that I was able to be the host and you were the guy going in that was amazing. It was a very special I think for me to stand back there like I've watched you deliver to the whole large amazingly large group of people that came to see you was really special special. Yeah I mean we go way back like mosquitoes rich workload. What does that mean? We're close always close. There's no gap between them. I've never heard that one before. Deanna phrase that a phrase from Indiana I. I don't know where I got that one for. I don't know maybe maybe you. Maybe pick that a lot of mosquitoes in Indiana so maybe okay good to see him <hes>. Let's let's get into a little bit of the news of the day just heard we had a conversation about about Zeke Elliott sitting there in Kabul. You heard with our buddy. You're our buddy in your fellow hall of Famer who's in that room right across the way Marshall Faulk say and that's a window in Zeke's Zeke's talking about Marshall and rocky arsenault are like what like what does that skiing okay they are and he's saying you know why do we need to market doc. Id Reset and the running back market. They want to reset the market. What are your two cents on? What's going on with Zeke and the cowboys yeah? I mean you know the new thing in the National Football League for some reason is that we can can always do running back by committee. Everybody's always saying that you hear it all the time but when you get game changing players at a position you don't need running back by committee. You need somebody to take a breather away from I mean Zeke is one of those guys you know. Let 'em bells one of those guys girl. He's one of those guys Camaros one of those guys you don't find those players too often and when you do find them. You can't say it's going to be running back by committee because when you look at the success that they've had the last couple of years or the sexes they didn't have it was about Zeke Zeke was running the show and I know Dak was getting a lot. He gets a lot of love and he did play well for him but that offense ran through him where today the Games ran through the quarterback normally and that's what you know Marshall saying you know it's a lot of quarterbacks what she is absolutely one under percent correct making a lot of money who do not deserve it and they say it's because of the market whatever that is sounds just like you brockman. We're having the same opinion as hall of famers you know and I put up you know what my approach is that I understand that certain players who have not won playoff games or a certain players. We've only one a small amount of playoff games. We're about to hit it to the tune of thirty million bucks a year. That is the market and it's funny how for quarterback you gotta pay because that's what the market is but running backs or a different story and the way I'm looking at it to hear you. You tell me if you think I'm onto something is the cowboys have built their team to have somebody likes the be the center of that universe so you know at some point the way that you're building building the team and how special he is on the field. You're going to have to pay him what the market bears in terms of breaking the market right so the reason why they're not as what do you think that they're thinking whatever's gone on off the field causing them to try and have a hitch and they're giddy up here and they say that public calls him out. I think there's twofold. I you know he's still has two years on his deal with. I think it's somewhere between twelve point five thirteen eighteen million dollars so he's still making six million a year from his rookie contract. You know if I'm a G._M.. If I'm running the organization if a player comes to me with two years left on his contract saying I'll play my contract. I'm like no you. Didn't you still got two years in your contract back now. If you come in we can work out a good faith compensation package for you. That's different. I'm not a fan of players under contract not coming into camp and asking for more money I know it's you know everybody's going to say. It's a short career. You know you gotta get it when you can't. I get hit but there's still some professionalism has to be brought into the table from the players perspective. It can't be all about the team team can't be the one doing all the giving and the player has no nothing he gets back so I think giving back by coming in saying that hey listen. I'm underpaid you guys norm underpaid but let's work on a while. I'm here why not do that instead of sitting out I mean Levy. I'm bill you know he thought he was going to get more money than he got he. He left fourteen fourteen and a half million dollars on the table. You'll never get that back so whoever advised him to do it even though he left Pittsburgh went to the jets which I think you're Kinda half. You know I'm I'm appreciative of it and I'm I'm as a Jet Observer. Aw How happy that Ryan Kalil sign there. I think that was that was very very significant with a young quarterback and running back got this body surfing style of Ryan who needs to pick and choose where he's going to have the time to do that right. I liked that see now. The Difference Between Dan Le Vian in Zeke is at Le Vian wasn't in the contract. They offered him his franchise package. He said he didn't want to sign anything with a long term. Deal Oh right and give them the right package. You didn't want it. That's different Zeke is telling the contract you know get the money yes I. I held out twice when the steelers I I understand that but I wasn't under contract first time is when you rookie rookie my rookie year I held out until October twenty eight my rookie season and then the the following show up till like week eight year rookie season or something. I only played like ten Games Chuck Nell Sadie you when you finally came Ah Out there I wasn't a star I played safety more my rookie year corner so they put me at safety and that was my natural position anyway. 'cause I know you you you. You ran track in Berlin Berlin. I was in niece. I was in Paris. I was in Barcelona where when the steelers were. We're expecting you when the steelers were expected to sign so I was running track at the European circuit which was awesome I was what are the old man Rooney said. What did he say he really didn't say AIN'T GONNA remove? I mean the one thing that did that. I came in but I set an example to them that if I said I was going to do something I was going to do it but I wasn't wasn't under contract. If I was going to be under contract I WANNA came in out of came in and said listen. I'm underpaid. Let's talk about this rap position package in good faith wine here Rod Woodson here on the rich Eisen show to just wrap this up as you know when we went to break I said no matter what's going on with Dallas Zeke week that if healthy if he's a healthy human being on the planet he will be the week one starter for the Dallas cowboys and I would eat the hat on Mike del Tufo said do you think as we are sitting here one preseason game into August. I should get a fork knife and or ketchup so already. What do you think I would think not? I think you're good a good on that bet you'd think they don't really have starting running back. Rod Smith is going. They don't know then that's why he's sitting at Combo because absolutely because he's like right because that next step on the depth chart is a lou it is it is but you know I I would. I would love to see him. Come in and deal with good faith. I'm I believe a professionalism nationalism. I know he's not going to do it. I know I know these. Kids are different coming in the League today I wish he would. He's not going to do it anyway but you know if they hold hold a hard stance Dallas cowboys. I'm holding a hard stance and said I am not talking to anybody WHO's under contract. WHO's not going to be in our Camp Rod Woodson here on on the rich Eisen show? Tom Got a one year extension now. Wider so many steeler fans have Tomlin fatigue Rod. Well tell me about at this here. Look Mike is Mike. He's never had a losing season as head. That's a fact that's a fact I think the one thing they seem the dysfunction a a little bit in the locker room from the lack of leadership that's come from in there and until the players take ownership of who they are in the locker room and the team ever becomes the team should should be but sometimes head coach has to be that guy put the thumb down on individuals and I think you know the downfall of the team. I can't say downfall but the downfall some commoner seasons has been some of those negative things happen as soon as like A._B.. Did the instagram video in the locker room live streaming just he should have been suspended the next week I would suspend him next week like you're not GonNa do that and you're not gonNA play. I don't care how good you are. The team comes before your Little Selfish Little Act that you have he he hasn't done that. I think that it likes wearing people out in the area. I haven't talked to anybody about it right in the Pittsburgh area. I would think that can be some some domain calls it okay now. I don't know if a rookie can do you know the leadership role but they did draft Michigan man right there in the middle all that defense it's exactly they missing his Devon Bush. What do you think of this kid? I like him. He's not a real big guy but you don't need the Ray Lewis's Bryner lacquers akers in the middle anymore. You don't need them to be big. Mike backer anymore because everybody's played in space so having like that who can run move cover the smaller individual bags acts coming out of the backfield in the middle of the field and feeling comfortable with him being there. That's the key they moved up ten spots to get I mean they have for they never that move up in the draft people but I think they've seen the value of what they need from the Mike Position Because Brian Vizier was that guy this unfortunately he got we got had the injury and since he's been gone they've had they really haven't had that playmaker that leave the sideline and it was a hopefully he can it. I don't know what he's going to be the leader vocally but if he's a leader by by actions on the field that's what they need on Game Day because offensively. I think they're GONNA be okay. What are they going? I have a running game. I think is going to be okay. McDonald's dare you still got been. It's the defense never having a guy who can make plays in the big games win since troy left. They need to find a guy like well Ron. I mean Ben Ben Ben. No more radio show I think he shuttered his radio show. That's a good idea. That's a good idea and and invited receivers to Georgia workout. That's a good idea another one check that is do we have different Ben Rothlisberger Burger. Do you think we'll find out you know. I mean everybody says they are you know they can show different things but when you get into the heat of the moment and gained and then after the game say it's a critical loss. What does he do? Does he throw his boys under the bus or does he himself himself. Under the bus in about the answers both answers. Both it's like you know it's like well you know Juju was supposed to run uh of post and he kind of cut it off a little bit and we were all on the same page and I gotTa do a better job like that. That's that's the Ben we've heard in the past is like a little bit live bus throwing rate and then a but I got to do better right. That's that's the one we've heard I think most the great players to me always take ownership one hundred two percent of what happened right wrong right or it doesn't really especially when it's wrong. Yes you take ownership and that's when you guys have your back like he didn't. That's good. That's what I'm GONNA. Run the right route next time it I think when you do that you find the leaders that you need in your Locker Room Rod Woodson a few more minutes left with <hes> with you you speaking of a locker room the one across the always the greatest. What is it like to be crossed them? It's it's it's fun. You know we have the we we have a group of grumpier guys. There are a little older. I don't know if it's like a group of I'm not going to name any names. It's like a group of like never smiled or always serious and then you have the other group. That's never serious always joking and then you have the group in between but you're the inbetween <music>. I'm in between sometimes but you know the one thing I love about is that you know you look at and I'm with Joe. Greene mail blond who I think is the best corner to never played in the national football league. You know you get to see you know I mean. I didn't see Danny there but you know John Is there. You see none of the Dan Marino marine okay. You don't see any the forty niner guys they're. I think they're too good to come here in Montana Montana not in that room you're saying no they've not yeah Rice Montana young it must be doing something in Kalli K. and taxes or something like I dunno. You sound grumpy yourself right yeah. That's why I'm a little I'm a little upset because you think about this. There's only one hundred and something odd living living hall of famers seem like every year. If you're not working you should be coming back here to pay homage to everything has happened in your life if to get to where you're at today whatever jobs here in whatever doors opened up for them and opened up because they played the sport so I'm a little disappointed that more guys don't come come back but the guys who do come back. A great time is great being in that room. It's great here some of the stories that it's going to come up in the next next couple of minutes and then the young guys who went in last year I call them young but you but the young hall of famers that came in last year they speak for the first time this year okay so that's that's how it works like how young guys so Tony Edry Dulcie. Nothing you gotta be quiet. You gotTA listen. You're a baby but then the guys that came even last year they can finally speak this year. 'cause they're famous. Did you just call Gillibrand to baby. Just happily goes in reverse so he's like the Benjamin Button. That's right in reverse it. He's a baby here in Cannes for this one day for one day for this one day. Yeah I've never seen a baby with a cane but today we are getting some <hes> some deason big time and Robinson going in. I mean there's a ton picks me an added right now. I'll just quickly before we let you go you gotta go across the way just give you the floor on on on these guys and what makes them hall of famers anytime you find nine when you look at all hall of fame especially for the side of it. They're they're ball hawks. I tell guys all the time you play the more you can touch that football the more you're valuable to your football team and every single one of them had a lot of picks ever seen one change games timeframe when they played and they were that shutdown corner so so to speak when they played when you find those type of guys they become special and they get this jacket to amazing. Go go go across the way enjoy Rod. Thanks I appreciate it but I love you man. That's Rod Woodson. Everybody Pro Football Hall of Famer ten years now in the hell. It is amazing. I I saw Harry Carson person you remember Harry. Carson waited twelve years to get an okay waited twelve years to get in. I remember he waited so long long. He's not coming well. He he'd stopped he told the selectors to stop considering him because he was sick and tired of the pain of being told he doesn't make it to the point where on the day of the I'm getting goosebumps is even saying this on the day that he was finally elected in he he couldn't be reached because he said screw flying to Hawaii and he hopped up for like ten twelve hours and he was unreachable and he landed turned his phone on you have one one hundred messages and what happened you know and he he had a turn around and fly back right away so cool and I told him I just I saw him here. He went in and who can't glass of two thousand six which was amazing because it was him. It was Troy Aikman. It was John Madden his famous where the bus I believe believing talk to each other right so so any rate <hes> I told him I said Hey Harry. Are you aware that you are now in the hall longer. It took for you to wait to get in the hall that you're now here thirteen years wow and he's like yeah I never I never thought about amazing. It's just awesome. Hey just to let you know T._B._S.. Is your home for M._l._B.. On Sundays Watch the brewers take on the cubs Sunday at two eastern time only on T._B._S.. Let's take a break. We come back Jabe himself. Jerome Bettis is right here on the rich Eisen show his settling in to his chair. We're back with J B in a moment this summer. There's only one trusted place that lets you get it in on all your favorite sports betting action that online dot A._G.. Sign up today for a free account at bet online dot A._G.. and Use Promo Code podcast one for your fifty percent percent off welcome bonus or text bet now two two three eight six six nine. That's B. E. T. N. O.. W. Two three eight six six nine to receive your fifty eighty percent. Welcome bonus. Don't sit It bet online dot A._G.. And don't forget to use the Promo Code podcast one bed online dot A._G.. Your online sportsbook experts stay tuned for sixty seconds of A._B._C.. News headlines Right after this podcast just had a great chat with Rod Woodson here live from the pro football hall of fame aim mixed our Jim Kelly is GonNa stop by and the head coach of the Detroit Lions Matt Patricia will call in but we have a Detroit Michigan man stripped across the table from me right there <hes> I I would just I would keep to Detroit Michigan man but I think it would really get him upset. I am with the <music> Michigan man but that's accurate Jerome Bettas as you say at fast. I'll just say he's for me. You know sometimes in this business <hes> <hes> jerome is I know you're you're in the television broadcasting businesses well sometimes <hes> you pronounce the Comma by pausing right like for instance way back back in the day when Pat summerall used to promotion for murder she wrote he would seem murder she wrote because there's a comma in between murder and she. There's a combat between Detroit in Michigan so you're a Detroit Michigan Man. I'm from Detroit Michigan and there's a there's a sign in television for fluff. You know there's a fluff fluff like stretch just fluff yeah. That's exactly all that was. It was just all a bunch of fluff because you don't want to make it seem as Foale. Oh you're trying to imply that I am a Michigan Man. I know you're not the state of Michigan did. Did you wind up. At how did you wind up another thing. I knew it was the best place in the world to go into school and close to make an a very bad decision. Did you almost go to Michigan. I did almost go to Michigan. So who was it was a Gary Moeller who try to get you so so I will tell you the story okay. I'll give you the full story all right. I'd never would ever consider doing but because you gave me the fluff early we'll go. We'll go we'll go yesterday so I am being recruited out of high school the number one recruit in the state the Michigan at the time both Becker is still the head coach. Okay okay so we go Christmas. He decides he's he's going to retire on Christmas Eve. I remember this. I covered it. I was there yeah exactly so Christmas Eve he designs. He's GonNa retire fire or he goes to see one last recruit before he retires and that is and that recruit is the number one tailback hell back in the country that year his name was ricky powers and I remember from Ohio so I am a kid in Detroit. I'm the number fullback you're back in the country. He's an on tailback in the country when Boesch back the goal is to see him that the night before he retires it really told me the hierarchy of the recruiting process who was more important clearly. This guy was the number one tailback in the country. Michigan's Ginza tailback was tailback. You kind of course that that that kind of deal so I knew at that point what the deal was then Gary Ramallah comes in then they really wanted me to play linebacker because I was a number two linebacker in the country right the more back with the number two linebacker and they wanted me to be the starting inside linebacker at Michigan and I wanted to play running back and so then they came up with this the plan that they're gonNA play me like Leroy hoard short more of a fullback tailback type but I knew all along that ricky powers was coming into Michigan and he's the number one time but he's going to get the raw and ultimately that was was really the basis of my decision in terms of of really looking at Notre Dame very very seriously because their offense was based around the the full back position and not the tailback position so it became an offense that really fit me perfectly because they when they went to three wide receivers fullback four backstage in the game the tailback left the game so there was a lot of things that they did with the fullback that nobody else did and so that really wants that what happened then it pushed me at towards Notre Dame and looking at the school so what you're saying is that in terms of pissing you off about not believing in who you believe yourself to be the rams. Were not the first to do that no his I knew the reality of it I was a fullback. He was a tailback tailback university. I got it so I was wasn't pissed. I was pissed at Michigan because I knew they wanted me to play linebacker anymore to play running back. That's why it was was such a big thing for them to go after this guy so that told me okay they don't want me to play running back. They want me right by I'm back and I knew that but it was one of those also things where my heart set on playing fullback because my dad was five ten. I knew I wasn't going to be six to great lengths at linebacker occur so it really gonNa under-sized to try to get to the next level. I don't work out. I mean the bottom line is like if you're going to have a fallback position you're gonNA have a choice is be notre. Dame's a great second short no but it was a great. That's a great way to see here. We go. Here's more position no that yeah. Notre Dame's a great. I'll just do that. No no no problem. The problem was that the leadership was so oh poor why they were so poor recognized. I knew that that would be the worst place for me to go because I would not be utilized to my full capability because they don't see greatness plus your education's a lot better oh ten times now by the way it's amazing how one story could be viewed at from two different but there's really only one perspective to man. I see great <hes> we have like three minutes all of a sudden we went down all the story. It's amazing thing and that's how I paid you. I never it's funny. I found the other day because you know I moved into a new house a few a couple years ago. I found the other day that Jersey that you you'd signed for me as a I forget which yes I did. I tell you something to do something for many years Meyer this year I have so much stuff. It's like okay. Why do you have on his Richard well this year last year year before? There's a big at the big house it's October the lights middle of the season. It's not the first game of the season I know so we have time basically basically all right. I got about a minute left at your own. Bed is thirty six on twitter and instagram. It's great to have you here but it's always great to be all and also four years in four years by the year yes huge for years here yeah. There's there's a whole bunch of hall of famers just strolling special the one thing that I I want to make a point to acknowledges my classmate. <hes> junior say I'll obviously he's not here but it's it's our job as as classmates is to bring him with US everywhere everywhere everywhere we go so when I have a moment here at the hall and I try to speak his name just so good for you. It's not he's not forgotten. I also told this class class as well. They've got to do the same thing with pat bullet. They've got to speak his name. 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"At IBM problems inspire us to push the world forward. That's why so many people work with us on everything from city traffic to Shen plastic smart loves problems. Ibm A. B. M. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM DOT COM slash smart to learn more. Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy Shabby over the next our the owner of the famous. Joe's Stone Crab in Miami explains what it's like running a restaurant during super bowl week. You can feel the excitement building up. Fans are coming in Lawrence. Taylor is here. Ed New ministerial played on the dolphins. You know it's it's it's amazing. Stars are coming the sports legends are coming coming to shot of adrenaline. That we so dearly love having loss former chiefs all pro running back Christian Okoye describes how he helped create an NFL fan base on another continent our topic that I played the game so they fill root for chiefs. I'm then now with they played for the team will have five root for like Chicago and also WNBA superstar Brianna Steward award reflects on the life of Kobe Bryant. Kobe was a person that affected a lot of people. I mean everyone on our national thinker. Sheriff the biggest thing that we could do and way we could respect and carry on but we legacy the most was play and play at the highest level we could this is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Here's Jeremy SCHAAP. Welcome to another dish of the sporting life. The Super Bowl this weekend and the world is heading to Miami for the big game which means just about anybody who is anybody and others as well wants to go to Joe's stone stone crab. The legendary restaurant in south beach will be speaking with the fourth generation owner of Joe's stone crab later in the show. But first we're joined by a two time time super bowl champion. It also one of the Great Kansas City chiefs of all time is Kansas City. Goes to the Super Bowl for the first time in half half a century. We'll be joined later in the show by one of his former teammates Christian Koi another all-time great chief. But I it is a pleasure to be joined by the six time. I'm pro bowler the first team. All pro from one thousand nine hundred ninety three the Great Defensive Lineman Neil Smith Neil thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me appreciate you know. What does it mean to you that the chiefs finally are going back to the Super Bowl? Something they did not do in your nine seasons in Kansas City. Not that I'm blaming you just society for those guys They finally you know broke that that That little Jinks we had for so many years. You know playing in the AFC championship games and not having to get over the hump. And I think that goes Andy. Reid done a wonderful job with the coaches that he have and also the great players that he have put together a great team to represent of the AFC this year in the Kansas City chiefs. Neil you're there as I said for nine ain't seasons eighty-eight through ninety six you had. Of course you're late. Great t made on Defense Derrick. Thomas Derek died at the age of thirty three. He happened to die in Miami after car crash. That had taken place earlier About ten days earlier's I recall in Missouri on his way to fly to a game. Ame You were so close with Derek This would be a moment in which he would be celebrated as one of the icons in franchise. He's history as well when you think about Derek and what what kind of a player he was. What kind of a man he was? What immediately comes to mind? The media come to mind to me is that I don't think they're Thomas. Grady was And you know the debt Very Thomas is one of the hardest death ever taking in my life and I lost father about five years ago and I never had that feeling like I lost in their Thomas as a team year brother and has has a person I would say that one of the most uplifting persons in the world and say that you know on on the week of of Kobe Bryant did what these type players are. These type of athletes mean you know to a community and to the to the world. I understand that Kobe you know. I see that. Kobe was a global guy. I looked at very life then short even shorter than Kobi's that there is one of those guys that Who Look he was looking for that type type of destiny that You know have to. You know that Kobe Bryant had and what these people mean to to to to to sports in itself He meant he meant to candidacies. What the NFL? You know that that you know that they're did. He does some of the some of the things that I think that was mind. Boggling was a great player. Deck Tech definitely chain game that can take it to another level And if he wanted to play if you really want to not be stuff you could use that guy and NFL for that. I said L. for every narrative that he had seen the way he you know he didn't practice away play but he show played when he when he when he wanted to. He was definitely not a practice player. But what a fun loving guy and you know it's not a data go by Even if I look at the clock fifty eight There's not a day go by Thinking about Derek. What he meant to me and and how he came in and how how short his life was? It's been over twenty years that that the Derrick Thomas this year funded that it's almost been about that long since I came to Miami and Barrick Derek and this week means something special to me because I'm going to go back to the side for the first time and just happened that the chiefs here There's GonNa be just touching to me because I know if she wanted to blow. So hopefully they do with that Mitt. What that would have meant to Derrick Thomas because he you know we we put it on the fifth we left it out there and and and borne by God? We just fell associate so many times that you know that here. It is in Miami as hoping that this might be deprived that he he ever know that we needed There's there's GonNa be a great game. Just wait speaking with Neil Smith. The Great Defensive Lineman for the Kansas City chiefs in the nineteen eighties nineties would win. Two super super bowls with the Denver. broncos is Super Bowl. Thirty two and thirty three. Were speaking about his former teammate. The late Great Derrick Thomas who died twenty years ago this month after a car crash in Missouri I got to kneel win when I heard the news about Kobe. Bryant on Sunday I thought thought about the thought about Derrick Thomas and I was covering that story when it happened twenty years ago and I and I thought also about another great defensive player. From that Era Reggie white white who died very young. Not Not in an Of the Hitler accident like like Kobe. Bryant and Derrick Thomas But but very young young too young And I've been thinking about what it must mean to the chiefs to be in Miami where Derek was from and for you. We're going to be speaking of Christian Acquai- A as well. When are you going to go visit? Derek gravesite well. I'm looking here in the next few days I just got money me on today. We're speaking on Wednesday. Yes and I'm looking to go here Here in the next few days and you know It's this guy's just he. We Never WanNa leave me so I'm back. I'm back where he always thought that I would always return as being the Kansas City chiefs and it was my to do it and it just it. Just a Tommy was was that you know. They was not ready to accept me back. You know as a player but I live stealing the Kansas City area and also I actually took over would there. Thomas Foundation the Third Long Foundation where this is their baby. Boy I mean he does. He loves about the reader program for his kids and All the impact in the Kansas City area and when I took over Derek Foundation. I knew I had to give up my foundation to do something for a friend grant that I know that meant so much time. So we're still there in the area. We're still trying to and will help every kid that we can in this reading program and to excelled and it's so good it's twenty years later. We got kids have been through this program where they come back and they lawyers doctors and and it makes you assume that while this is his vision this is what he want for friend to give something back. This is what I gave back to Derek and this is what I will continue to get back to their as long as I live great testament to his vision and his passion speaking with Neil Smith. Neil bit this this chiefs team which has been so impressive for the last couple of years years with young. Patrick Mahomes at quarterback Things that he's doing just just astounding What's it like view? Watch this team society. You know football is change For the best I think You know with with with the not too hard. Hey I mean the hitting the you know the head of cross the boundary and and and you could see the athletes come out of guys even more The way they try to protect you know guys getting hit. It's and it's Kinda different for me because you know I was never taught that way and I just don't understand it but only one plane into newer allowed to hurt quarterbacks you yeah exactly I mean you know we was always seeking define and then destroy but I you know I I think I could learn if I could have learned to tackle also on my show. I think I could've dated but I you know when I was on my way out there was trying to make a statement and that ran out faster because When they started to change the rules? That's when I was on my way I just didn't understand what they were saying. I understand what I was doing As far as you don't make Tacos I've been doing it forever personal files. I was getting fine and I was like okay. I think it's time for me to get out because I have no idea what I'm doing and that's more than twenty years ago. I don't think if it is changing in the late nineties the way you're talking about it but it was even then yeah. I actually two thousand albums so they was trying to change it was it was. It was making an effort to change in the game so and and and I knew that I could see where it was going but it's still fun. It's the fun to watch I just don't like all the scoring. I don't like all the penalties for defense the defense the guy can actually do anything. But you know what there's still you know it's still it's still wanted to funnest games and watch on Sunday. I'm glad I just don't have to play. Neil Smith the two time superbowl champion. The Kansas City chiefs legend Sharing Memories Marie about playing the game and playing alongside his friend. Derrick Thomas Neil thanks so much enjoy the game Sunday take us from this. This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. When the Super Bowl's in Miami and even when it's not the world heads heads to one restaurant in particular by some measures the most successful restaurant Aber anywhere at any time? Joe's Stone Crab which specializes in that wonderfully wonderfully succulent crustacean is more than an institution. It's history glamour and delicious. We are joined by Steve Say wits. The odor of Joe's rose whose great grandfather was the original. Joe Joe Weiss who started serving food and south Florida nine hundred. Thirteen and Steve's grandfather Jesse Joe son turned JOE's goes into the legend. It remains Steve. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for having me. Thank you for those kind words for words of never been spoken certainly not on this show. uh-huh how crazy is it right now as we speak on Wednesday night and everyone wants to get into Joe's well you can. You can feel all the excitement building up There's a weight right now as we wait. There's people sitting in all over the dining room Fans are coming in truth of the matter is Lawrence. Taylor is here and Harry Harry Carson is here at you know at the same time Ed new ministerial played on the dolphins. As you know it's it's it's amazing. So we're getting geared up The stars are coming The the sports legends are coming and Our our staff. You know we're we're an extra guy it's a shot of adrenaline that we so dearly love. Having you know in Miami's geared for it you know so we're we're we're excited but Steve. You're you're packed anyway. Like is it really that much more business for you guys or is it just kind of a pain in the butt because you can't get in anyway anyway even if the Super Bowl's in Los Angeles this week well every who's who in the world seems to want to get a table at the same exact time you know. They want an eight o'clock clock table on a Friday or Saturday night. They're willing to do whatever it takes. And that's during Super Bowl particularly normally. We're at about ninety five ninety ninety five. I percents capacity all the time. This is one hundred ten percent capacity where we do need an area for instance upstairs where we will Ah Logistically we have A place for you know peop- Stars and notables and people with a lot of notoriety where they can wait a little bit had an Schmooze a little bit before they come down down the stairs to sit in the main dining room because we get very large parties. It's hard to get those tables put together. We've got collapse of demands. We've got people from American Express Visa all of them you know. They all want to converge at the same time and impress their clients and experience. Joe We're speaking with Steve Say wits. The fourth generation owner of Joe's stone crab the legendary restaurant at the very bottom essentially of south beach which which has been serving in stone. Crabs and other specialties. Four generations Four Generations F. O. U. R. N. F. O. R.. As well as Steve. I knew my father. Well Dick SCHAAP. If there's one thing that made him happy it was a night at Joe's and He was. He considered perhaps ups one of his most prized possessions. If that's the way to put it the ability to get into Joe's it he always said he quoted the late. Dan Jenkins he said. If you wanted to cover the super bowl thing to do was just situate yourself at the bar. Joe's and watch everybody you needed to speak to. During the course of the we come through Josie never had to go anywhere else. Tell us a little bit about the history of pro football and your establishment. Okay well my grandfather was very responsible for getting super bowls to Miami starting with the very first super bowl. We got Super Bowl number. Two and that was is Jessie Weiss my grandfather and he was very friendly with many of the owners in the NFL he used to go to those meetings. sometimes out in Phoenix wherever they took them. I mean The the hunts were were were friends of his and The Meyer is were friends. And the Rooney's these were friends and he knew them all on a you know on a first name basis in fact He used to kind of wait for the tickets to come in. If you know what I mean you know he was he was big on Super Bowl tickets and not that. He went to the game. But Miami and and super bowls were you know went hand in hand and Joe's was One are the beneficiaries of of all the all these huge games. And we've been blessed but I'll tell you you mentioned your dad I loved your father and He was an amazing part of of Super Bowl in general and with his Green Bay Packer party that he had injustice Jesse's room. I mean your dad held court and he was just the classiest Guy Sweetman And I you know he always always remembered me and you know what I just WanNa say. You know you're the same kind of guy and I just WanNa let you know that that's very kind. I really appreciate that Steve Thank you. I gotTA ASK YOU Steve. Everybody the world is. We've established wants to go to Joe's particularly this week. What happens when you tell some big celebrity? Some big shot Mucky muck. Sorry we cannot help you. You gotta just stand in line like everybody else. Well I I don't like to tell them that Let somebody else do it like jt. Six foot six foot four but now we use a lot of them. I'm actually call beforehand. Even though we don't take reservations the many of them will have somebody call on their behalf and but it's super bowl. It's very very hard to do. I mean what happens is friends of friends call and they'll call and and you know vouch for these people or vie for them and and try to lobby to get their friends and it's kind of fun especially around superbowl. I'm we're dealing with it right now but Sometimes they just I have to be patient. We do our best. You know when people have those kinds of special needs because you don't want somebody who's a megastar standing in line waiting waiting for their own safety for their own well being and and all that we just don't WanNa harass them so have them harass so we will you you know. We'll we'll move them around and put seat them in the office. You know and I did that. With Joe Namath. One time many years ago I mean just the name off the top of my head. I remember them waiting waiting in the office when I was a kid You know it's it's crazy. I mean there's so many we handle it. That's all I can say is if we know they're coming humming. We keep our eyes out on the table or floor managers and my general manager Bryan Johnson. He's all over it and add at the front door and JT. They keep their eyes out. We we know they're coming. We're on it and there's a lot of restaurants that know how to do that too. Steve thanks so much for catching up with us this week. Thank you Jeremy Take Care. This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. Super Bowl fifty. Four is here nearly in for the first time in half a century since super bowl four. The Kansas City chiefs are in the Super Bowl despite having some very good not in great players that she spent a long time in the wilderness. One of the best chiefs ever was a running back. Lead League in rushing in one thousand nine hundred nine with nearly a fifteen hundred yards. He was a first team all pro that year and a two time pro bowler even though he didn't play football until about the age of twenty in fact not came to the US from Nigeria. His home country to throw the discus Azusa Pacific in California. It's a pleasure now to welcome to the sporting in life. The one and only Nigerian nightmare Christian Koiei Christian. Thank you for being with us. Thank you so much. Thank you Christian. When was the first time you picked up in American football? Actually I was twenty three years old junior college. That's just a crazy it's cray twenty-three you've never seen the game. You never played the game. You add Zeus a Pacific on a track scholarship. Alor shift How did you get approach to play football? You Know I. It happened So that I I was supposed to be in four Olympics and I wasn't glued to the Olympics. Nigeria so I decided I'm GonNa try football so I Junkin I spoke who to my My football and beg you said Yeah come on. I'm damn. I started playing football for the first time in my life. How did you take to the game? Christian you know I I had a lot of friends that I played that. Are you know charcoal fueled away. School actually was trying to convince me I I. I'm of course I didn't play football. I didn't know anything about it and I can't say no to them but when they could take the Olympics so I decided I'm GonNa try this game because you know since I come on track at the mall and I was big on football to play football. I'M GONNA try the game so I'll jump in and that's right it. It was extremely difficult extremely difficult when I thought it'd because it was strange I'm onto my friends To encouragement from my coaches my truck. Put you on my friends said with it. It was extremely difficult. Talk with it but You Know Yeah Yeah. We speak you Christian Koya the former Kansas City chiefs running back led the NFL in rushing yards in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. He was a first team all pro that year. He did not start playing football until he was twenty three years of age and then just a couple of years later he was the thirty fifth overall selection in the second round of the nineteen eighty-seven NFL draft. What was it like Christiane Third Year in the League when you really became a superstar? Well I've I've told this story yesterday. The group of to a group of people yesterday You know I played my first year on the second run year of the then. The coach dry guys got fired. Uncalled theater seats came into town. They hired Marty Schottenheimer on muddy. When you can see flu being from California? I need says they wanted to talk to Mitt so I came in town. How do these office? This is Chris you said but a nice to meet you you says I realize you're by grounded striking thrilled. You haven't played football much. You said that you know like you're in very good shape it says. Are you going to be ready to run the football. I think that was the only thing I know how to inflict. What are you ready you? You'll be ready. I said I'm reading now. So you know so. North behold the nineteen eighty nine. I run the ball. Three hundred seventy times you know led the League in Rushing UH DOT COM deficient. People live I will get three minutes carbon underwear from California you as I said you had an excellent career career. But it wasn't it wasn't a long career. You suffered some injuries. You ended up playing only full six seasons. Well what was it specifically that ended your career Christian you know. No I had some juice here and there. There's no major injury that just out again Mason ninety three. I had A. I had a violent be injury so the team was being with me on the reserve. Because Marcus and just came in So I decided I'm gonNA give it up. I retired. That was it. I was good good. Did you have any ever have any regrets about walking away from the game. Aim At that point. No I don't because you know you know when you play football as you grow older you start feeling all these things you know shoulder hits. It's amazing and things like that. I'm killing them now. If I had been longer I'll be worse right now I will do. I'd be feeling worse so I'm very very proud that I I walked away when I worked with. And you were an older of you are an older player for having only been league for six seasons that point anyway what you you were. I think thirty two when you walked away. Yes I was. I was thirty two when I walked away. I will get twenty six year old rookie. Unbelievable career Considering especially that you didn't play the game until much later than almost maybe later than any other great player in the annals annals of football going back one hundred fifty years. Were speaking with Christian Acquai- The former Chris the former Kansas City chiefs. All pro led the League in rushing in nineteen eighteen eighty nine and Christie played for some good teams with some very talented players. But you guys never quite got over the hump. Never got to the super. But what does it mean to you now as a Kansas City chiefs to see your old team the only team you ever played for in the Super Bowl for the first time in half a century so happy to see this thing going this far you know I met all these years as you said we had a good teams in the ties but whenever we never made it five. AFC The time kinship on which read and this bunch of guys More homes and fire kill on all those guys. They make it happen this year. I'm so happy for them. And you know when they win the Super Bowl I wanted to. They will probably will choose the only team that I played for and The only cheer for saw Romney to me So I'm so happy I'm so happy they are. Yeah I'm here with them back in Nigeria. 'cause you're such a big star are there's still a lot of people root for Kansas City. Oh definitely definitely okay. Because I was the first thing that you have actual play football. We had a couple that way kickings but I was in I Ah Maybe the first African actually played the game So they still root for the chiefs and then now by are they feud I've played for the teams have Five root for like Chicago and Houston Houston Texans and on kitchen. I would imagine Christian you know with the chiefs in the Super Bowl. You're probably thinking about Your teammate Derrick. Thomas Miss One of the great defensive players ever in the NFL who died tragically As the result of a car accident twenty years ago go think Derek was only thirty two at the time. Maybe thirty three and In what you know he'd ever got to play in that Super Bowl But now it's down in Miami which happens to be We're Derek died. All the action took place in Missouri. Are you thinking about Derek Eric. This week Oh yes. I'm thinking about him. I try to twitted opposed to the picture of him a couple of days ago and He's still beloved in Kansas City on the mission will be some big time because you know As you know your dad was good friends with with very very he was with your dad when your dad will come in town we'll go to a restaurant. I sit around and just you know talk a lot. You know also many people medical love Derek and We'll miss him. I miss him a lot such a big personality. Such a great talent Just always the life of the party filled up the room with his charisma and his smile whenever he was there. I'm thinking about him to Christina Koiei. The former Kansas City chief she for the great players in Franchise History Christian. Thanks so much for speaking to us for our Super Bowl special this week. Thank you so much for having me on John. God bless you my man go cheese. This is the sporting life on. ESPN radio and the ESPN APP. She's a four-time. NCAA champion a four time. Final four most outstanding player a Wnba h champion a WNBA MVP WNBA finals MVP and Olympic. Gold medalist. How is that for resume? We're speaking of the Great Brianna the Anna's steward who just played her first game in more than nine months after rupturing incur Achilles Brianna. Thank you for being with us. Thank you have I mean how are you feeling. I'm feeling good You know as you've decided I had my first game back A few days ago and It felt really good to get on the court and I think you know I wasn't looking too much into it other than being on the court helping the team win and Not Thinking just playing. And that's what I did. It was It was an emotional game. Obviously you guys were playing Yukon the US national team playing Yukon shortly after the death of Koby Be Bryant and his daughter Chichi who wanted to play at Uconn will what was the atmosphere. Like Brianna. you know you you said it was it was very emotional final You know when news broke the day before nobody wanted to believe it and everybody was really in shock and even The morning of Game Day was was tough. You know because shoot around is very silent Coby was pretend that affected you know a lot out of people. I mean everyone on our national team for sure Everyone on the current UCONN team because he was such a big supporter order and and they went to a Lotta Games but you know we knew that they was going to be hard But the biggest thing that we could do. And and the way we could respect and carry on his legacy the most was playing Play at the highest level. We could we're speaking with Brianna Stewart the four-time Ncaa a champion the WNBA champion the WNBA MVP and Olympic gold medalist. Who's hoping owed about eight or nine months to win a a second Olympic gold medal? The United States trying to win I believe its seventh consecutive gold medal in women's basketball You play in the WNBA Brannagh you play overseas you play fourteen USA all these. You won the Fiba World Cup last year as as well in two thousand eighteen and you were the mvp of that tournament when you have so many gold medals and championships already. What would it another Olympic title? You mean to I mean I think another Olympic gold would It would mean a lot. I think the last Olympics are was these were here obviously college A lot wasn't expected family and I didn't Dan really play that much. I was more so there as a sponsor To be prepared for the next one and now you know four years later the next one that's coming up and my role role it's different With the team and I'm just looking forward to to being out there and trying to make an impact and making sure that We win seven and straight gold medal and Diana Win Their fifth gold medal. You were saying last week. I saw you quoted saying that you don't know how to play flay seventy percent you only know one hundred percent or zero and you're still in the process of Getting back back into complete playing shape after what happened nine months ago. So how are you going to be able to not push too hard I mean I think now it's it's not about not listening to hard I think You know when I was a few months back like I would be able to go on court but I could only let me go seventy percent which is very difficult because like how do you know what seventy percent But now when I'm on the court like I I can I'm I'M GONNA play my hardest. You know I'm going to go at one hundred percent And now it's just about Making sure that I have a a grace. He's period to kind of get back into the rhythm of things and and my minutes or limited in both games and practices and You know every day gets a little a bit better every week. It's a little bit better and I still have to go through the process of getting back on the court and I can play but It's just a different part of that. We have if that makes sense. Maya Moore who preceded you at Uconn with great players Yukon history great player in the WNBA Byu NBA with Minnesota. She announced last week. That she's not GonNa play in the upcoming WNBA season again. She's not going to be part of the Olympic qualifying find process because she's committed to working for social justice reform in particular championing. The case of one man. She believes was wrongly convicted. In Missouri wrongly imprisoned. What what what is it? You know somebody who knows my more. Would you think about that. And and her decision not to be part of part of the game for the at least the upcoming year. I mean I think that you know my she realizes that there's more to life than just basketball and and you know as a person who's had a very successful career she's invested in in something That also takes great great importance in her life. And you know I think it's a very difficult thing to do So I think that you know all at the WNBA and everything that we're proud of her and we support All decisions she makes because You know like I said there's other things in life than basketball and you know sometimes you don't realize that and so you're you're away from it. You know I realized that while I was Going through my Rehab Rehab process and and she realized that After she sat out her first year that she can make an impact in a number of ways and basketball is just one of course. The Olympic tournament coming up in about seven months taking place in Tokyo this year. You're going to Serbia. Ah in the next few days after you play in Louisville this weekend you're going to Serbia Ford the Olympic qualifying tournament. Even though you guys have already qualified that you're required by Fiba to take part in this tournament. What are you guys? Hope to get out of it I mean the biggest thing we hope to get out of it if I was so you know we we want to win. These games Because we we never WANNA lose. But it's nice to have some time with the team before you know Tokyo because we're going to go right into Wnba have only a little bit of time to get together right before the only thing So to kind of build off of the chemistry that we already have Offer me personally Just taking advantage of getting some more in game action And and having every day a little bit better Coming back from this injury but Only Kinda for. I'm looking forward to playing to being back with the team. You know. It's it's easy when you're with such a talented this group and play and and not have too much about a year and a half ago You did a story on East sixty on. ESPN with my colleague. Julie Foudy in a lot of people were very Very moved by it. You you bravely talked about your experience as a girl growing up in Syracuse. Being being abused sexually by a family member by by your uncle your mother's sister's husband and I'm wondering the year and a half since then. What kind of impact you telling? Your story is made on other people. you know telling my story. It has made a bigger impact than I knew it would. If that makes sense you know When I published a story I wasn't sure if I was going to get positive or or negative feedback because you never know in the world of social media and that type of thing but overall it was one hundred percent positive across the board and you know even still still like I'll finish the game and people will be like thank you for speaking out about your story. You know you help me help. Save my life Or if they they had a family member who's been through similar situation and it just goes to show like you know everybody's going through something and I think sometimes that gets overlooked. Everyone's is going through or has gone through something And it's it's how you continue on from that you know sometimes life is really tough and You know you can go through a hard thing and still do whatever you WANNA do in. Life is extremely brave and I know it did make an impact act on a lot of people brianna Stewart looking this year for her second Olympic gold medal to go along with all those other trophies and accolades Brianna. Thank you so much a tra- joining us here in the sporting life I know is you are right now. Yeah thank you for having me. Thanks for having joined us. I'm Jeremy SCHAAP. This has been the sporting life on E._S._P._N.. Radio we're on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time.

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"This is the Stephen a Smith show podcast. I'm Stephen well. Come to our number two, Stephen Smith show here with you over the airwaves of ESPN radio and ESPN news, plus Sirius XM channel eighty number to call triple eight say ESPN it eight seven to nine three seven seven six. The Stephen Smith is being brought to you by credit karma. Get your truly free credit scores and free credit monitoring from credit karma today. That's credit calmer. K A R M A get knowing plus needs to gain download the vivid seats app and enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat, get a vivid. On allow us right now as promises major league baseball. Insider extraordinary the one and only Jeff and on the line with us right now. What's going on Jeff good afternoon? Good morning. How are you? Dave nee I'm well, my friend. How about yourself your initial immediate reaction upon learning that might trout was about to ink a twelve year four hundred and thirty million dollar deal with the final two years of his contract will be ripped up. So he could. So he could have this deal in front of him. Yeah thoughts. Good lord. That's a lot of money. And and it's, you know, it's it's understandable to like I believe when Manny Machado signed or when Bryce Harper site. I don't remember which one it was. But you said I believe on this program might have been on I take positive, but if if that guy's worth that much how much is my traveler, and we now have the answer to that. He's worth more than any athlete in the history of sports more than Cannella Alvarez getting three hundred sixty five million dollars more than Bryce Harper getting three hundred thirty million dollars. It is a monumental extension. And you know, what the guy? Serves it because he's the best player in baseball. Well, for those that may not comprehend it quantify for us in any way that you possibly can why he's worth a hundred million more than Bryce Harper on one hundred and five million more to Giancarlo Stanton. One hundred and thirty million more than Manny Machado, the list goes on and on why? It's just a matter of production. And look we can we can nerd out a little here and talk about wins above replacement, and it's a it's a new stat. And it's a stat that tries to quantify exactly how productive a particular player has been and through through his age twenty six season. Mike trout has piled up more wins above replacement than any player in the history of baseball more than Babe Ruth more than Tycom more than Mickey Mantle more than anybody. And because of that and because they wanted to keep him in their uniform for the remainder of his career, the Los Angeles angels understood that in order to get Mike trout not to hit free agency after the two thousand twenty season they needed step financially. And that's exactly what they did. They tacked on ten years to his current deal. It's going to be about three hundred sixty five million dollars or so in new money, and you know, what for a guy who produces? Like my trap does Stephen a three sixty five or ten years is not bad. And it's a crazy thing to say, I understand how ridiculous that sounds. But when you look at where baseball salaries are at right now Bryce Harper getting three hundred thirty thirteen Manny Machado, getting three hundred for ten trout getting three sixty five for ten. I it's it's actually pretty team friendly deal. If Bryce Harper had an open his mouth and been so open about pursuing Mike trout the second. He became a free agent in two years. All we at this point right now. Or is this something that probably happens a year from now, whatever the case may be you know, I think that that probably showed the Los Angeles angels. Hey, the quicker. We can get this done the better, but they went into this off season even before Bryce Harper signed with the Philadelphia Phillies knowing that locking him up right now was going to be the best thing for their team long-term. And look they've they've dabbled in these long term contracts in the past and they have not turned out. Well, the three hundred sixty five million that they're adding to trout steel. That's exactly what they spend on our pool Josh Hamilton and pool ses, you know, he looks like a shell of his former self and Hamilton seal is one of the worst in baseball history for for a club so already marina. Oh has been here in the past. And it has not turned out. Well, you can talk about CJ Wilson. You could talk about Gary math, you're shooting. You're like the angels history with long-term deals is not fruitful. But they see my trout is a completely different breed, and I can understand why if you if you're going to build around anyone baseball today, he is the guy you build around when you have Shohei Otani, and you have Joey del whose a nineteen year old. He's going to start in AA this year. He'll be with the angels. At this point next year. That is one way of outfield to put out there on a daily basis question is can they get pitching? And if the angels get any pitching anytime soon, whether it's internally or via free agency, they're going to be a contender in the American League West. And look that's important because my trout has played in three playoff games in his eight-year career and has lost all three of them. When he got swept by the Kansas City Royals at twenty four team. I know exactly what you're talking about. So the Jeff passan them it'll be inside right here with Steven a radio ESPN news for those that may not know may not comprehend the finance. Justify naturals of major league baseball major league baseball team. How do you pay a Mike trout four hundred thirty million dollars? I'm thinking it's a hundred sixty two games. Eighty one of them are at home. They've got a three billion dollar television deal. If I remember correctly could you break down for us. Why these numbers on not gonna blow to angels away in inhibitive ability to build the team around the superstar major league baseball, even as a ten billion plus dollar year industry in terms of revenue. There's no laugh or cash in the game right now. The league you're talking about the league. But not an team, right? Correct. Okay. The three billion dollar figure you had for twenty years of television is correct. And as opposed to the NFL, which has all of the teams under its auspices into Goshi. It's contracts that way each individual major league team to go. She ate it steals. The angels have one of the biggest television contracts out there so financially. They're they're not gonna have any problems doing this. They have that money. It's locked in. It's in the Bank, and they're going to be just fine paying him that. And they're going to be able to go out and make some other moves to. They don't have a lot of long-term deals on the books at this point. So they can build around Mike trout and give him the type of team that he deserves. Stephen ESPN radio ESPN news. You don't hear too many negatives about my trout because really there's none to five, but guess what? Jeff, I may have found one. Are you ready for this? Let's hear his voice. He doesn't talk to. He doesn't talk too much. He doesn't talk too much. Now, we heard Bryce Harper go out there and not only did he sign, but he talked about recruiter men Bryce Harper tried to recruit levian bell to the Philadelphia who's at a National Football League. That's not what Mike trout does. So his voice could potentially be a problem because he's gonna play he's going to perform. But what about Mike trout the recruiter that make a case there? No, not really. My trout also would have recruited lady on belts. The philadelphia. Eagles is a huge eagles eagles fan than Bryce Harper ever will be. That is true. I think that Mike trout does not need to say a word to recruit. I think the depth of his town and the exquisite way that he plays baseball is all anybody in the game needs to know. And he look he could go out there and stump publicly. But it would just be I wash man. And I'm not saying that what Bryce Harper's doing is. I washed that's Harper's personality that that's his style. You know, going out there and publicly stumping is not my trout style. He has always been a very laid back. I I mean even last year, I think it was rob Manfred the Commissioner of baseball said maybe my trout would be bigger star. If he put himself out there more. And you know, what that's true? Like there was nothing false about what rob Manfred said there. But that's just not who my trout is. He's he's a guy who who doesn't see the spotlight, and it's hard for me at least two faulted for that. Because anybody who is genuine to him or herself, I have respect for and my trout has always been a very genuine person. I totally agree with you. And I feel exact same way about him. But what I would say plan a roller devil's advocate is that these guys don't just play baseball there. Tried to uplift the sport. Somebody like an Alex rod Joe somebody like analysis just spoke about that a couple of weeks ago when you Jessica Mendoza spoke about that as well. You're talking about major league baseball, and I'll go I'll go a little bit philosophical. What you hear Jeff is one of those situations where you look at the NFL and how they in Amman tons of how they go about the visits of ingratiating themselves with a younger audience. The NBA clearly has. Done that in a sport a major league baseball where the average fan is like from forty seven to fifty four for crying out loud. You do have people who are concerned about the future of baseball. Because of that reality. Do you not believe there should be some onus placed on today's player to help promote the sport in such a way that could help them ingratiate themselves with a younger up and coming audience that is the most salient arguments possible for Mike trout to become more involved publicly. Not what his present is. But what the sports future is. And I think that is a reasonable thing for baseball to ask to want to desire, and I think it's equally reasonable for my trout to say, no, that's not my sil-. But yes in an ideal world. Absolutely. You would like the guy who's better than anyone in the game right now, and who has a chance when it's all said and done to be better than anyone in the history of the game. To be out there, promoting the sport. When and you know, what he promotes the sport through the way, he plays it. But you would love it. If you're baseball for him to promote the sport through the way, he plays it. And through the words that come out of his mouth. No question about it. What's on pass right here with even a ESPN radio news having said all of that eight times in the last nine seasons. The angels have made the postseason they missed the postseason. They've only made it once and they haven't won one single playoff game in Mike trout's career. Now, obviously baseball is pretty much individuals port. You could be as great as you wanna be for example as a field to hitter. But if you don't get any pitching, what does it matter? We understand that the flip side with though is couldn't that be justification in some people's eyes for looking at a contract. Like this and saying he may deserve it every penny. But what purpose will it serve? The angels who've missed the postseason each of the last four years, and it's finished below five hundred each of the last three years. What purpose does it serve? How do answer? For that question. Jeff. I think the counter argument to that is what are the angels look like without my crap. They're a much much worse team. And if the organization is making these Google of money that it is that money needs to be spent somewhere. And if I am them. I would rather spend it on a guy who I drafted twenty fifth overall who was on my major league roster as a nineteen year old who has done nothing, but perform on the field and be a good citizen in the community and good Representative of the organization rather than going out and spending. Elsewhere the money needs to go somewhere Steve day and just because my trout has not been a star at October doesn't mean that you have to hold him personally responsible for it. You know, one man can only do so much and he's done about as much as humanly possible by himself to uplift that organization and make it better out because his teammates because the other twenty four guys around him have not performed at that level. Can you hold him responsible? I pers. Finally have trouble doing that myself. Jeff passan having said all of that. We look at other individuals or Mike soc of example into his nineteenth season as the manager for this ball club. Does a contract like Mike trout apply. More pressure to somebody like him to turn things around oils. Rain is gonna move into different direction. Well, social is gone actually manager. Sorry. I totally forgot about that. I can't believe I forgot about that. 'cause my. There's a lot of shuffling going on during during the problem. I was looking at like. Like that. And I was looking at the eighty two record from last year. My my bed. I'm totally full on that one having said all of that those still in all does it apply. More pressure pools. Does it apply? More pressure to anybody else to step up and produce considering the situation that we're talking about here. Yeah. I think it puts pressure on on Matt Harvey who's in on a one year deal to to fortify that rotation puts pressure on. Trevor kale puts pressure puts pressure out Shohei Ohtani. He's trying to do something this year that nobody has ever done before. Which is play while rehabbing from Tommy John surgery. He's not going to be pitching. But he's going to be the everyday designated hitter. He made potentially ultimately play a little bit right field as well. And next year in two thousand twenty you know, he's gonna be the beast unleashed. And if Shohei Ohtani Ken fulfill his potential on both sides of the baseball, and you have my trout there. We're talking to the five best players in baseball on the same team. It is in. Combat on Billy upload the general manager there and Marino to step up and fill around it. And they've got a really good farm system. Steve as so at this point the angels are in as good of a position as they've been since two thousand fourteen season where they were swept after winning a hundred games. And frankly since the probably when they won the World Series nearly two decades ago now. Right here was Steven ESPN radio ESPN news. What about the pressure puts on teams from opposing on other teams, Bryce Harper. His third three hundred thirty million dollars. I just went in Giancarlo Stanton. Amer judge. These guys are going to be looking for money down the road or Giancarlo Stanton already getting his money. What about the pressure it? Applies to them knowing that guy like Mike transfer four hundred and thirty million dollars, and nobody is blinking it. Nobody's concerned about it. What so ever because we're looking at it. And we're saying excuse me, we know what he can do what a y'all going to do. What about that? You know, are are got a ton of fresher because he wants to perform in Philadelphia and show that he was worth of three hundred thirty million Giancarlo Stanton has got a ton of pressure because it's the second season with the Yankees now, and they have World Series aspirations, and he's still in the middle of three hundred twenty five million dollar contract. To me, though, the guys keep an eye on our Aaron judge, Mookie Betts and Francisco indoor that is the next generation of guys who are looking at three hundred plus million dollar contracts and. You know, when it's all said and done, even a those are the guys who are going to be in line to essentially break, my trout's record, which is crazy think about but reality too because there's a lot of money in baseball right now and teams understand that as much as the market has cratered for those mid tier players and those low low to mid tier guys, and they're just not getting paid what they used to superstars still get cash you say that. But look at what my properties to the table this complete game is it is it is being a home run hit or going to be enough to get you that kind of money because when I think about Cholistan nobody's talking about his fielding talk. Anything? I expect him to smack home runs out of the park is that going to be enough to justify you getting the kind of money that he's getting right now is that going to be something that's enough of Amer judge, even though I know he could feel too. Yep. Aaron judge can field and Aaron judge takes walks and look the the most alluring thing about my trout's game. Is that four sixty on base percentage? When you're talking about a guy. Who's on bass almost half the time. There's such value in that. Because you don't score runs unless you're on bass and Mukhi bets is it. Other guys beat my try out for the most valuable player in the American League last year Francisco door play shortstop and plays. It extremely high level, you know, Kris Bryant and other guy in that conversation elite third basement. So we're we're talking about guys who bring not just value with their bats in their production. But with their positional play in in those secondary skills, like taking walks that really impacted baseball game, by the way, let me give back to that manages situation that because I had a brain freeze of forgot social left is gone. You got asthma. Awesome there for years Detroit to winning seasons. I mean, I'm looking at his record right now. Three fourteen three thirty two. Why is he the manager to age is how did you feel about that? You know, they saw Brad Osma says a young guy who can communicate with players and can be the good face of an organization. He says, he's a very handsome guy. I have no problem saying that, you know, everybody in baseball kinda has a man crush on Brad Osman. Right. You know, it doesn't matter. How good looking you are unless you win baseball games. And and they felt like he was the guy to lead them to that place. But they're look they're a division with a team like the Houston Astros that don't just have a loaded. Major league Rasa right now, but have a very good farm system have won the World Series within the last two years into the playoffs. I think three out of four seasons. Like, the the Astros are good. And they're going to be good for while the Oakland A's one ninety seven games last year. They're returning a lot of that roster. Matt Chapman is maybe the most underrated player in baseball right now. He's Lazardo lefthanded pitching prospect looks like an ace at this point. They're going to be good. You know? The Texas Rangers good farm system. They're on the come up as well. Seattle. Mariners retooling at this point. It's not like the west is going to be an easy ride for the Los Angeles angels. But if you're going to take that ride Stephen A, I'd rather do it with my trout, then without I agree with you. But I expect them to be in last place again pretty close to it. I don't see certainly don't see them challenging Houston is one hundred fifty three the three games last year. Yeah. I you know, what here's the thing about the American League though, you got the Yankees. You got the Red Sox? You got the Astros. They are clearly the criminal criminal league there to other playoff spots, though. Whether it's Tampa Bay rays, the Oakland A's or even potentially, you know, the Minnesota Twins. Maybe even the Los Angeles angels. I mean, I think Cleveland's gonna win the central this year. But there aren't a whole lot of teams competing for those wildcards spots, and while I agree with you that that the angels don't look like a playoff team right now all takes a couple of moves the trade deadline and the American League field is wide enough open that they? Could sneak in one of those wildcards you get on outta here for the day? I was talking about the Yankees and how some guy got to step up. I gotta ask question about a team like the dodgers. For example, the angel signed Mike trout, but the charges don't charge the Los Angeles Dodgers don't need to do anything like that. They just got off another World Series loss. However, they still haven't won a World Series since nineteen Eighty-eight you still got Kershaw on the crew. But what do we do we expect from them? What kind of moves they're gonna make? They didn't sign. Manny Machado resigned him or anything like that. I'm wondering what are your expectations for them this upcoming season? Yeah. I mean, they signed AJ Pollock to fifty five million. And that that fifty five million dollar deal was the most money that Andrew Freedman has spent on a free agent who is not his own in his time on our club. You know, he resigned, Justin Turner resigned. Clayton Kershaw resigned kenley Jansen, but the dodgers the dodgers pipeline is pretty stacked getting Cory Seager back this year. That's like adding a superstar potentially a guy who has first couple of seasons was really really good that being said, you know, it's a tough National League, man. And while I think they are the best team in the west. You look at the east the nationals. Good. The Mets are good the Phillies are good. All right. Stop right digits. Why should I believe the Mets good? I mean, first of all you got the gram. He ain't interested in the Goshi hitting come, you know, wants to seize it begins. Syndergaard can't stay healthy. Don't get me. Started on match all wheel look. All right cesspit, as we don't know when he's going to be back. We don't know what they're going to get from anybody. Right. That they brought back. They got their kid to close from Seattle. But I've still don't I don't understand. Why everybody is saying the Mets are going to be good. Why are you saying that, sir? I'm saying that because I believe in talent. And I believe in debt, and they've got a lot of both of those things, you know, guy like Jeff McNeil's sneaky guy who I think is gonna hit three hundred this year Robinson canot really fortifies that lineup. I'm gonna come back on in the middle of the season. Even as we're gonna have a conversation about the Mets, and you're gonna have a big old plate of crow in front of you. I want you to eat it. I want you to gobble it down gonna have on. Will you take you to tell me what what's your definition of me? Eating crow. Break that down for me jump was what they're gonna win eighty games. What is what is what does that mean? I'm gonna be eating quota with eighty five games watching expect anything from the New York Mets other than darling gringa complaining about them other than that. Do what do I have to worry about the Mets? I think the Mets are going to be in the playoff hunt this year. Does that does that count as crow? Well, it depends. It would count as is your is your standard of crow hires. Wait a minute. Thanks. Thanks. A good cook. I will cook. You a good play the crow right now. Well, I will make sure to cook it to a nice meal, unless you're the guy who wants it. Well done. Close even a in. This it tastes like lasagna. I'm not interested. But I will tell you this. I will tell you this Jeff pass. And I will tell you this if they're competing for a playoff spot at the beginning of temper that qualifies. It don't qualify you complete it for if you beat of a playoff spot in June who gives them about that. Hey that it that is totally reasonable. And you know, what I am onboard with that. You gotta Steven A and timber book book me for September first. Okay. Let me I I and I will come on. And one of us will have a delicious meal that day. And I'm pretty sure ain't gonna be me. Let me tell you something right now, you say you want to you speaking with confidence about the New York Mets that would make you a foreign and this land in New York City feeling that way about it. They got this. What does it Brodie van wagon? Whatever the hell is name it. He's they they say they say he looks good. Just like Brad Osman's you separate office. Look good that he's going games. They go when you gave with the New York Mets get it done. This is turned into a love, Stephen. I like it. All right. You go and get your coat ready. I'm not gonna have to worry about it. I really really am. Not. I really am. Not as sorry about that. Bring. Onto timber. I I I'm going to come to New York. I'm going to be in the studio with you. I'm going to rent an Airbnb that has a kitchen in New York City and on a cookie played. All right. You do that. You do that the Mets please do anything. Jeff passan. Yeah. You got worry about worry about staying healthy. I like to grandma's gone too much else on the New York Mets. But that's just me. Appreciate it, buddy. Thank you so much man all the best to you. All right. My friend. Jeff passan major league baseball inside extraordinaire right here with Steven a DSP radio. ESPN news today say ESPN, it's not three seven seven six. And I'm I'm glad I'm glad he reminded me. I forgot all those social even got all about it. Nineteen years. Brad awesome. I remember when I remember when social I walked away. And I was like awesome. Why am why would he do in Detroit? What did he do one good year? But I was in on and understand it. That's probably why I forgot he was there, and it ain't say ESPN inundate seven to nine three seven seventy listen lobbyists. Even ESPN radio ESPN news. We'll get back to your calls and more in a minute, by the way that you have frequent heartburn like the Conway you have NS stashed everywhere in case it pops up. You know, what I mean, you keep something your bag of your desk or your all your nightstand. You have those jockey tablets ready for whenever and wherever harbor strikes. Listen up today's way to deal with your heartburn, that's problematic. OTC just one day will ask the twenty four hours zero heartburn so kick U S at habit. It's possible. Product OTC uses director for fourteen days to treat frequent heartburn not for immediate relief border, Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio. I'll get in the ghetto Gettleman on Dell Beckham Julia and Eli manning, and then some in a minute don't touch dollar, Stephen ESPN radio news. You're listening to the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Nice miss shows being brought to you by indeed used while with three million businesses for hiring post job today and indeed dot com slash higher. Backs and phones, we go before we get back to the phones though, I want to transition to a different subject. Dave get them into general manager for the New York Giants poke up about trading del Beckham junior and keeping ally. Manning listen to what this man had to say. This narrative. Then he lies all the paid. Can't play is a crock. I'm telling you if you turn around, and you take a look at what he's making right now. And and look look around the league and see what quarterbacks of make it. If you were in my shoes, you'd say, you know, what they're really is not the way he finished the season. And what he's making the really wasn't a decision to make Odell is a tremendous talent making a valuable asset football being the ultimate team game. We turn. That fact, it's a three SS at the very least some question why we signed Dell and then try to them as I said publicly twice. We didn't sign him to train them. But obviously things changed, and frankly what changes and other teammates offer we couldn't refuse. You gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me. I'm not qualified the way of NFL aficionados are to tell you how ignorant they've got him in sense. But they did they might have done it and more in less of a direct fashion rather. But they they definitely did nevertheless, Adam Schefter came on this show last week. And said there were several teams. That said they have better offers on the table. Then what Dave Gettleman got Adam Schefter question. Why make the deal at this particular moment in time? Didn't even bring up the particulars of the deal said who doesn't wait till right before the NFL draft to make those deals everywhere. You turn Fox Sports ESPN pro football talk, the list goes on and on. No one. No one. Dave Gettleman for making this deal. Well, he'd smart as man in the building. Let's call it. What it is. They've got him and got his job as general manager for the New York Giants because he had a relationship with Mr. Morrow in tissue and the giants brass, and you know, what proof of that is that. He. Hi, Pat Shurmur. Who had a ten and twenty three record as a head cook? What the hell did he do to get the head coach job to new your giants? One of the most story franchises in the history of the NFL. What do? Got a Super Bowl championship. What are you any in Mary, oh Mary Amana ham? They got a Super Bowl championship. What are you employ lexical Burress and Michael Strahan and crew? Super Bowl championship will Taylor with Jeff Hostetler as a quarterback. Super Bowl championship with Phil thins Lawrence Taylor, and Harry Carson and accrue. Doing the got six weeks. Spencer still has got six weeks. Dallas Cowboys got five rinks. How many got four? This is one of the greatest franchises in the history of the National Football League. And this man would that being an opening without and hired Pat Shurmur? Pat, Shurmur ninety off as Gordon gave a tend to I understand that the man's Reckitt was known or rather ten at twenty three one game in Philadelphia. Three days a claim. To rather whatever it was. Shurmur? You try to beg him to you. But you keep you lie. Manning it costs you seventeen million dollars. Essentially to get rid of old Vic junior you pay an ally banning seventeen million dollars. Five-million-dollar roster bonus Levin and a half million base salary. Another five hundred thousand for working out. And this is what he says. While as a guess what the latest news. You're hearing you here he might not even draft Wayne ask because if available even get a quarterback, they're not only got another. They got another two or three years. I would say on the Pat Shurmur, but he's been through enough. And on a personal level. I can relate. So because of that I'm going to be kind not talk about pet. Dave rather? I'm sorry. I'm Dave Gettleman. I'm not talking about they've got him in the person. Talk about they've got him into football, man. I'm elite alone. Unbelievable. Joe you lava Stephen. Hey, Stephen, I think taking my call huge fan, man. You crack me up the giants. That kills me. Just real quick on the on on Mike trout agree with everything that's been said. I just wanted to add a couple of fun facts to it. You know, Machado three hundred million Harper three hundred and thirty million. Why is trout worth one hundred million more than Bryce Harper because his career war is that is greater than Harper's and Machado's combined? Not right now right there, I knowledge that at the beginning of the show. I mean, this is a guy who's wore number is better than Todd Cobb Mickey Mantle bonds everybody, we get that. What I'm saying what I asked a question about is. How do you quantify him being worth two hundred million dollars more because that's the typical loan? Doesn't mean you're worth a hundred million more than a Bryce Harper or Manny Machado. You see what I'm saying? Sure, I'm not I'm not debating that. He's worth -able. I'm saying how do you come to the number that it's a hundred million more? That's what I'm asking. I remember. And I wish I could speak intelligently that I think Jeff Assan did some great reporting there. I think when you look at the fact that you're tearing up the last two years of his current contract. You're giving them ten for three sixty five. I think that right there makes it comparible. When you look at what the market is willing to pay him, you're worth with the market's willing to pay. And you know, I think reasonable minds can disagree about whether baseball team sport. There's no disagreement here. I just wanna comprehension you see what I'm saying. Like, for example, you have certain allocate down when you hit exorbitant numbers. Right. That I give an MBA players, for example. Okay. You know, why you don't debate it because that's the max. So LeBron got one hundred fifty three million because that was the max Russell Westbrook and Steph curry two hundred seven million because that was the max you see my point. But in baseball, you can fluctuate out any number they want so. How do you quantify? That's all. I was asking hundred percent. My last point. Steve, I think people may ask my trout, y you wanna spend the rest of your years at the angels. Let's go back and think about just real quickly that they took a chance on drafting him. They extended him before they needed to the first time. They're giving them this deal before they needed to the second time. They care about my trout when Manfred came out after the all star brings might trout's great. But I wish he could market baseball better. The angels were staunch in their defensive him. Instead, he does at the right way. I am a lot of people including including experts on your show came out and said, that's how you defend your player. Absolutely. You have a lot of investment. I try and I think when you're on pace when when you've been the best at every year of your age, and then you're on track to be who has ever done it. Right. I gotta go opposite to call. But the other the you left out one other thing it don't hurt to be living. The southern California Anaheim is beautiful so beautiful place to live in it. They say. ESPN entities. Do not we seven six back with your calls close out the show a minute. You know, what never goes out of style. Surprising, a friend a loved one will buy one. Get one free multicolored roses bouquets twenty nine hundred for one eight hundred flowers dot com to order, go to flowers dot com slash ESPN. It eight say ESPN, you listen to lob Stephen ESPN radio. ESPN news. Just what you're in the middle of Stephen swift show podcast. 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If you don't get one interview, I think Colin cavernous lawyer speed dial for you you've got to at least be considered a candidate. Are you really to come out and say that you like at least the opportunity to discuss that with an NBA team? No, I'm on your no because I'm having a ball doing what I'm doing with my career. I have more of an voile voice. It can make more of an impact doing what I'm doing. But I would tell you to positions. I would consider it for. There's no knock against anybody in their respective job positions. I'm just answering your question. If the New York Knicks or the Los Angeles Lakers came and asked me to run basketball operations, and I'm not saying anything about Steve mills or Magic Johnson. They're both friends of mine. I love them both. But if they weren't in those positions and those two franchises came calling for me to be president of basketball operations, even though it would probably pay me less than what I'm making. Now, would I strongly consider it? Yes. I would I'm never I'm not a coach. That's not what that's not what I would want to do. But as a president of basketball operations and Kana staff that I could assemble and the team that I could put together in a front office as well. As on the basketball court. I would consider those two jobs. It's good to hear. But I just always say why you would limit it to to those really only because those are the only two franchises. I would be interested. And because I wouldn't do it for any other reason. Than me being Daja basketball fan and loving those two franchises. I'm a native New Yorker. And I love LA. Hey, if the opportunity becomes available. I hope you hope you get that opportunity. Go mets. Thanks so much. Thank you so much John real quick. You got thirty seconds. Yes. Stephen I wondering about this might trout contract. Four hundred and thirty million two hundred million overmanning Machado's the biggest contract and sports history. How do you justify that? I understand there's billion dollar team. But let me ask you the question 'cause we gotta get ready to get on outta ya. I spent the entire show justified. It his talent what he brings to the table. The fact that he's only twenty six dip, the he's gonna be this elite the years to come combined with the fact that you have the money to pay for it because it's eighty one games, plus the three billion dollar television deal, and they could easily pay for it. Why not pay him that makes sense to me holiday challenge? Twenty two hours until MP's crash. Just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Hour 1: Danny Amendola

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Hour 1: Danny Amendola

"Out here in Georgia. Used to. This morning. Thirty three the Rams. Credible. I'm a lot of places did not go to a lot of places. Obviously, it's about mass appeal don't get me wrong. But I love be with my peoples. What's going on? Do with. It's certainly as thank you all for coming out. We love on the road. But it's the best because you guys have in the fans right here in person. All right. We ready to do this fellow's the skull. Into so consensus amongst most is that Tom Brady's the goal, right? Nine eighteen seasons. Okay. How whatever his coach begs to differ. Please take a listen. History. Bac certainly put him up against anybody. But. You know, I feel like it's my job to rape people. He's he's a great player has been a very player for the New England Patriots. Certainly his record is unmatched. Glaze my quarterback. Max Cal expert and all things Boston sports. It's all of the cliffs all of the above on Cape Cod anymore. It's all over for. You are comments shot at Brady. Yes. Because go he's like LT's the greatest player ever coached. What about Brady is? He the greatest quarterback. You can't even bring himself to say that it seems like a shot at Tom Brady. You can't read the wrong way. When you say Tom Brady's name without Tom Brady vans. Criticising you right. Like, it's impossible. It's beyond say with the beehive writing can't say they hide you can't say anything wrong. If it's construed in any way as being negative even slightly. Everyone comes after same thing with Tom Brady right now, it's the exact same thing. In fact, before I go on taking this from Stephen a Smith. It was a very good idea. Anytime Steve day, you say anything about LeBron that might be construed as negative. What do you do get my tagline going on? I list all the beautiful superlative. Please. Let me see the graphic on Tom Brady is that possible. Because I won't say anything about Tom Brady until this comes up. He is he's the greatest of all time. I've said this for years, by the way, four years. I said he's the greatest quarterback of all time. I've recently said he's the greatest player of all time is an amazing team. And everyone says it fantastic father and husband's shows it time to get remarkable competitive fires stretching the human body to absolute the absolute limit year after year is everyone satisfied. Now where you know, where I stand on Tom. He doesn't eat vegetables diet because whole anyone's says is cliff. In other words, I read an actuarial table. And I say oh at this age. They fall off hater you hate Tom Brady. He's superman. He's god. He's not a man. So belly does that and he's taking a shot at Tom Brady? Look, I know what Bella chick. I think Tom Brady is the greatest player of all time because he's a quarterback. Right. So you do that for almost twenty years at that position. And you're the best ever that you have to be considered the greatest, but I know what pellets means when my balls were on. Tom brady. I never got that feeling. It's the consistency. The longevity the clutch performances the leadership the cohesiveness of the team that add up to that for Brady. But it's not like eyeballs on him. That's delicate coach LT. So he's like that do if you watched Walter Pete, and you go I don't know if I've ever seen something like this Brady's not that dude. Brady does it over his body of work. But Bella chick doesn't say if he doesn't kowtow to Brady if he doesn't worship at the altar Brady in the right way. Somehow he's taking a shot at Brady. No. It's not. Dissertation was lovely. I must say I must say, but but nevertheless, it doesn't make you right? Because clearly he was taking the shot at Tom Brady. Now, I don't mind because if you Bill Bill checking to twenty five seven and nine as the head coach for the New England Patriots, you run an organization for the last nineteen years. You're also the head coach the last nineteen years. There's been plenty of instances where your defense has come to the rescue not to say the Tom Brady has come to the rescue. Because we understand how phenomenal. How great Tom Brady is. We get all of that. But if this complicated as we say, it is as if it has a multidimensional facets contribute to the outcome of a game. Not just not just office not just special teams. But wanting it all goes Asian picking personnel making sure that the personnel acts accordingly some of the dysfunctional drama that we've witnessed rake through the National Football League like a damn virus over the last season or more. We haven't seen those kind of things happening in New England. I'm sorry. Last time I quarterback in the New England Patriots doesn't have much to do with that. That comes from the man upstairs, which would happen to be Bill Belichick when it comes to the New England Patriots. So everybody is sitting here and you'll Bill Belichick and your coaching and being an executive in the NFL during a time where the game has become soft as cutting tissue where you could sit up there and get flack, but having bet breath the fact that a meta is if you weren't defensive coordinator light Bill Belichick was during eighties and to the nineties into the nineties where the game was what had rough rata tactics. It was far more physical. You didn't sit up there and see defensive players sorry. Offensive place protected nearly as much and you're coaching LT, Lawrence teal and all this. And you hear people talking about Tom Brady like he's the greatest thing since lice breath. Not only are you looking at your background as a defensive coordinator coaching the great Lawrence Taylor. But you're also looking at the role you played it contributed to a level of excess and the more you elevate, Tom. Eighty the Lewis takes away from the greatness of Bill Belichick who would know that better than Bill Belichick. So of course, he spoke up for himself. But making sure to remind everybody Tom Brady's a great quarterback. I'm proud to have it on happy to have him. He's he's in the third, but still is the greatest player that I've ever coach. He is saying that because he wants you to know that on his watch in New England you can act like it's Tom Brady all day every day of your want to. But there's a coach that was handled in this business comes down to this question. Do you think he's telling the truth or you think he's saying that for fact, I think it's both? Okay. Here's the bottom line. You think LT me Bella chick look bread better or for Bella chick? Meet lt. Look better Lawrence Taylor year. Lt made Bella chicks later than you would have. Otherwise LT is arguably the greatest we all know how all feel about LT. But if a coach can hurt you by putting you in a position. Not to succeed that we have to give them credit for putting you in a position to succeed. Fleas question. L T L Belichick's aware like as great as a coach is he is. He knows that dude made me look even better than I really am because he was just different. Belgian also knows as greatest Tom Brady is man. I look, Tom. I make Tom Brady look even better than he really is. Because I'm putting them in a perfect position to with Tom Brady's not like a freak of nature kind of player Harran rod rice or Patrick Mahomes. Right. He does it consistent on jeopardy. You're giving me facts that I'm not trying to dispute what I'm saying to you. I'm gonna throw it right back in your face max. Because of what you say about Bill chick when we talk about LT. Whether it's a Harry Carson or others who raved about the genius of a Bill Belichick. Whether it's Bill Parcells school you said it's not an accident that he didn't win Super Bowl without Bill. So you speak to the greatness of Belichick defensive coordinator you speak to the greatness of him as a head coach you speak to the greatness of him as a personnel guy in an executive. But we go into what act when it comes down to talk about Tom Brady. Oh hail. No matter. If top rating is great. As Tom Brady is what it comes down to is that if we're not basketball, I've seen plenty of coaches who were marginal which you got to please that are phenomenal. And they could come to the rescue in the game of football because of the motor dimensions of it. All you need a head coach Bill Belichick has to get more credit than Tom Brady and Bill Bill to say in that he's. Tell the truth. So he's taking a shot at Tom Brady by telling the truth the truth. You're not taking listen, I'm not saying he's taking the shot. Like, oh, my God the hell with Tom ready? What I'm saying is is that on the outside looking in the fact that you would pick Super Bowl week in your ninth Super Bowl appearance with the same quarterback to make that statement is not why you could say Shannon shot back. So here is options either. At that moment, he says he is the greatest he's the greatest quarterback Everett, which I think is true. Maybe doesn't think it's true. He either tells you what he doesn't really believe or he tries to phrase voice, you believe somebody could be telling the truth with no Mallon tent whatsoever. But it can still be perceived as taking the shot at person perceives. Yes. That's all saying course that you free. State farm, Robert Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no one bird done, your she shed shero all really victim. Because my she sheds burning up in the backyard is she shared with struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed bitter hideaway, Robert that's covered you hear that Victor. I'm getting a new she sheer. She shed. Can we stop his she shed now go with a win? That's here to help life go, right? State farm talk to an agent today. Everyone. This is sports on right now on the at the Colin sometimes being open about how you really feel will cost you. And then you Davis has been fined fifty thousand dollars by the NBA for violating the collective bargaining agreement on Monday, Davis's agent told our insider each gorge ski that Davis wants to be traded to a team that allows them a chance to win consistently and compete for a championship after that what which many began speculating possible landing spots, including the Lakers. Multiple sources expected Davis Cam too soon deliver war that is for the nation is infect the Lakers, and he'll become a rental player until twenty twenty with the trade anywhere else. Davis leads the MBA with a player fishing. She waiting thirty one this season and his career PR of twenty seven point four is third Beth in NBA history. Among those to play at least three hundred games trees, only, Michael Jordan and LeBron James now, let's get you back to I take. Thirty. Back to the. And even for Super Bowl fifty three to that guy. Tom Brady and the Rams. And. Would you saw the sports that are? Everyone to stay on the brawn James. Mike Jordan, rear TV or is higher than the brawn. James that includes his seasons with the wizards when he was in decline LeBron has an experienced that the client yet meeting. There is no way that LeBron will ever catch him PR. He was he was qualitatively a little bit better. Even when including the wizards we'll get this out of the shot here. Sorry people. All right. So Steven you heard the deal AD hit with the fifty thousand dollar fine has camp suspected to announce that he wants to be a Laker is this situation. Good or bad for the NBA. That's not good. It's not good. You could label it bad. I wouldn't go dad extreme, but it's certainly not good. And the reason why it's not good is because when the NBA had the latest collective bargaining agreement and the one that they had in two thousand another. There are Jek give was to limit movement on the part of players meaning players on the contract having the ability to force their way out of a situation before their contract expired. Let me break some stuff down Mack. Molly because until the audience because I want everybody to understand, this is a little complicated. But work with me here when LeBron James decided to leave Cleveland, the go-to south beach, the first time the issue wasn't with him elected to leave as a free agent. It was how he handled it people were in an uproar because they felt like it was a slap in the face because they went to extrordinary means to acquiesce themselves his wishes that of this camp. This is the kind of things that they say, and they put that stuff out there. And they're like, look man, LeBron, you know, he didn't show any level of appreciation. I thought that was ridiculous. Max, you take this ridiculous? We don't need to belabor that point. But the reason why it's important is because from that moment forward the NBA a lot of the NBA owners, particularly the ones in the small market had their antennas raised. So they monitor they watch out for everything, and although they didn't necessarily have. But so much to do with C P three being denied the opportunity to go to the Lakers were net. Trade initially had transpired it. It does. Negate the fact that Dan Gilbert of small market own in Cleveland had written a letter to the Commissioner there after just basically going off about the state of affairs that existed that they believe with instigated by LeBron. So what do we have? Now, what we have is a situation where the Kevin Durant LeBron James and others who are marquee players all speak about play of movement. They speak about players having control of their own destinies and things of that nature. Well to a lot of those owners counterproductive to what they're trying to do because of the money that they're doling out. And how you got guys who wanna leave their market why is that relevant now. Because when Anthony Davis announces that he wants to leave New Orleans, and he has no intentions of resigning. He publicized his situation, and it's perceived as obviously trying to force his way out preferably to the Lakers. Okay. With with less than ten days to go now. Well, here's the problem with that he's under contract until next season till the summer. Of twenty twenty. So what you have you have this situation right now where everybody's looking at them. And then like we got to put a stop to this. Here's the interesting part. This is what I'm being told the New Orleans pelicans literally contemplating saying he kit rocks. He ain't going no damn place. He's under contract. Okay. He can sign a five-year max right now, get two hundred and forty million dollars. If he stays there through next season. It could be six years and Anthony Davis particularly become the first three hundred billion dollar player in NBA history. And they're saying you want to walk away from that they're contemplating that I'm hearing that people like Gregg Popovich on a phone with Dell. Dips a young man he practically raised in this business. Okay. And that's have hold afford don't cave to the Los Angeles Lakers. You don't have to do a damn thing. And in the end, why are people saying about the Lakers because we've been talking about Magic Johnson all of this time the name that we didn't mention enough was rob Pelinka his GM. Why is rob Pelinka relevant because rob? Linka is the general manager of the Lakers work at unimagined Johnson Kobe's right hand man, who was an agent prior to being an executive Farrell unfair has his ship enemies. In terms of other agents who are not inclined to thin their clients to LA Rich Paul might be willing to do that with Anthony Davis, but a whole bunch agents out there, we'll do that with their clients. So what Katie kyri clay, well, whoever we are at a point right now where it is entirely possible. Magic Johnson nothing pull this off. And I don't see how he's going to do it. The Lakers might be the one team two ends up with nothing while the clippers in Brooklyn and everybody else gets did you come. Good reporting, Stephen. Pelinka aside, the arrogance of NBA owners astounding to me who told you that levian bells going to set out the year, right? Because it's gotten to the point where the players realized the only way to get what they want is to be willing to make a sacrifice. I'm telling you this right now if Anthony Davis gets treated to any other team, but the Lakers he will not resign and part of that will be fueled by the anger that he's losing eighty million dollars in that move. Explain what's going on here. In the NBA, you work your whole life your genetic freak first of all. And then you work your whole life to get to a place where it's literally almost not exaggeration to say everyone in the world who can play in the NBA does everyone in the shot to do. It's trying to do it. But you get there. Not only that you're one of the best to ever did your max contract player. If you're one of those guys, you cannot leave where you're drafting you had no choice to to work in the city to which you're drafting and for that team. Not it's complete look. And then you have to stay there for seven years where you lose a tremendous amount of money and the rules are now that even if you stay the whole seven years new extra. You're a free agent. You lose eighty million when you choose to where you're going to want to go. So what are the players do the players like in year six I'm gonna force a trade to where I want to go. So that team can give me the extra eighty million to that's rational, right? And the owners can't take this. You know, why because owners of other markets and this goes for. Orleans to people like New Orleans. It ain't LA. I believe Sigmund. Freud wrote about this LA envy. I believe a lot of owners out there have LA envy. You don't own the Lakers won the bus family owns the Lakers. You don't that's where someone wants to play tough? I guarantee you Davis winds up a Laker come hell or high will interesting points, and they're still much more to get into cake on the whole subject. I can't believe it that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead everybody. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Gyco. Are you? Oh, projected increase in organic Khukri revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. I take. Center our next Super Bowl champion, but he's connection to the Super Bowl playing for the rain. Obviously the patriots agreed weather in Miami. With the dolphins Danny in the house on behalf of Genesis the official luxury vehicle NFL, we'll get to that. In just a minute. Thanks for being here with us. I wanna start with your pick that you just made single little hesitant. You didn't know which way you were going. You went New England. Why? Danny not happy. People are tired of the patriots back in the Super Bowl again. But why do you think New England will get it done in the end? I'm a firm believer in Tom Brady. Is a great great player competitor. He's a great friend of mine. So. You know, it's going to be a good game on a C. You know, two great teams to great matchup. So we'll see we'll see how much of like I look at you were Wes Welker, obviously. And to different degrees of terms of regular season. Success Ataman now guys like that. Where as good as you guys are to whatever level in the regular season in the playoffs playoffs killers. How much of that is the kind of player that Bella chick acquires and the way your coach and how much of that you talked about Tom Brady is the quarterback who's throwing the ball. Well. Coach Bill check does a good job of helping the players understand when they get in the building that they're there for for big games for playoff games for meaningful football Layton in January early February. So that's a focus and you you prepare yourself through the year prepare yourself through the midseason later half of the year to get ready for the play offs. And then when it's playoff time, it's time ago. In. Oh. A fan. So I'm going to say this to you hurt must period, you hurt my spirit. He just have how do you go from New England Tom Brady to Miami? And ryan. The to make a living other than the weather. How did this happen because if they have you I mean, it's easy to pick New England and win the Super Bowl of the head. You what's up? I support my family. You know what I'm saying? And Bill doesn't you know, it is what it could ever year salary cap management. I gotcha. Got you having said all of that in all seriousness when you look at this particular Super Bowl, I know the reasons why we could give New England winning this game. Tell me what you feel about the Los Angeles Rams, Aaron Donald. He's a guy. He's a guy. I mean you can account for you can ship them. You can put it back on them put a pull receiver tight ends on them. But a guy, you know. In the beginning guy can play it extremely high level. So. I'm excited to see that match of knowing knowing the way, Bella chick thinks you think he puts two guys on Aaron Donald and make someone else feature. Where's he going to try to have someone pray and that they can sometimes win their match up with Donald it's about ball control into Bodo know, you have to put you guys on them at times and then control the ball misdirection? And it over. It's interesting because, you know, look at somebody like, you know, you guys beat New England in a regular season game issue that miracle it's out near south. It's still victory. But you playing on my EMMY Brandin cooks being somebody that wants played New England. What kind of advantage if any at all does a former player being on the opposite side potentially give you guys against the New England Patriots squad. Even with Tom Brady. Is there any kind of advantage at all that you have from being somebody who actually was a member of Bill Belichick's team and played on the New England Patriots. It's it's a smaller vantage. I mean, you can you can help with the communication lines checks. And but other than that you gotta lineup in play. So, you know, you gotta get you. Gotta get guard guys decking guard. You've gotta get guys that can guard James wet out the backfield, and that's tough to do. Then you've been to three Super Bowls incredible one two loss. One. What was the biggest difference with the team when you lost to the eagles? Not a lot that game know Tom had a great game. We put a bunch of points up came down to the last couple of seconds of the game ended on a hill. Marion. Philly's a great team they play great last year. And. Hats off to them. So along those lines. I look at the patriots. And what is Bella chick do every single game? Every year every postseason. He puts you guys in the best possible position to win all the side. But like a field goal or less, right. And you wind up five and three in those games. Why is it five and three not three and five? Is that luck? Is there something is luck the residue of design? How how does that work? You gotta be a little bit lucky for sure. Whether it's a catch gills catch on third down or whether it's. Exactly. You know, whether it's Malcolm Butler's interception at the end of the game. But it all comes down to fundamentals. I believe that if you practice fundamentals drought throughout the whole entire year if you're prepared going into the situation and then with a little bit of luck. You know, you're you're gonna come out on top. So there's going to be a big big play in this game. There's going to be saying why is it that patriots seemed to get it? Not luck after awhile, right? Like, what is that thing? Narrows down to the basics and the fundamentals at the end of the day. Let me ask you this Tom Brady, obviously, we understand his level of greatness ninth. Sue boys got pops championships may have six after this Sunday. We get all of that. How much credit should Bill Belichick. Get for the level of success. The patriots have enjoyed considering the fact that Tom Brady has been his quarterback the whole time. I mean, they they work. So well together, honestly at thing without the other one, you know, there's there's no success with the other without the other guys. So, you know, coach Bill coaches, Tom just as hard as anyone else. And there's no secret. So. You know, coach Bela check runs the ship and everybody else's is player. What were your thoughts as a former player the New England Patriots? When all of this noise was being made about the possibility that Bella check was willing to move beyond the Brady era and it was Jimmy Garoppolo Huddah Jimmy G. That's what she called him. Jimmy Jimmy garoppolo's star Jimmy. That's what goal. So, but he was out in Hollywood with the cameras roll it poets to eat new. Okay. So you don't want poets Jimmy. That's right called ten. It's not an it. So anyway, the point that I'm trying to make to you is what are you doing? Sound? What are you say? I mean when you look at it from that perspective in terms of Bill chicken the level of credit. He deserves I think I think coach gets the best players. He can. And then they all they all come out of the wash at the end at the end of training camp. He puts the best player in. And honestly, Tom Brady's was the best has been the best quarterback on the team for longest time. So that's why he's playing real quick. Sorry. Sorry. You're from Boston. You want championships with New England you're supposed to be the next west Welker at Texas Tech, turn out to be and all that stuff. You're not there this year. They're in the Super Bowl like real quick. How you feel about that? Well, we beat them in Miami. So I'm happy competitor. I'm happy about that. Have a lot of great friends on the team on have a lot of great friends on the Rams to. I'm rooting for a game. Honestly, I know it's going to be a good match of so. Man. He's not a bad place to live. Yeah. All right. What are you doing with the Genesis this week? I'm working with Genesis. I got the opportunity to drive a g seventy for a week. It's an awesome car has an aggressive stance. It's fast got it up to about ninety five on on ninety five. Smith. Now, they could catch me day. Now, it's it's it was two thousand nineteen North American car of the year. It's an awesome car. I'm excited to work with them. It's a great. It's a great. It's a great deal. So awesome. Appreciate you. Let's go job on ninety five. All right. Our next still for the phone. Twenty four NFL draft. Pro Bowl are devante Freeman in the building everybody. They're not excited your hair solo. Doing. To have you with us. So I saw you making your pick in. You're the only one that has the ram so far. I like it. Not on the patriots bandwagon. Tell me why you think the Rams will get it done. Under those you know, all day every day. I got a couple of homes over the homeboy. The market is going to do real good on the safety. And I just like him. I like better. We own them. But I ain't have been just don't tell me that Robey comb is your boy, he trouble. How did you talk to? How you be God at started six games your entire career? Okay. And you go talks about Tom Brady going into the damn Super Bowl. Own coach Tom Brady football. He'd go. You got to stand on when you talk. Thank you for all the daily fantasy wins wolf. And boy you win some daily fantasy. If you pick up devante Freeman usually undervalue, but you take Los Angeles. And I look at that team size. What they gotta do with Tom Brady on offense. I look at Todd Gurley. If he's right that play action is a problem. But as someone who's dealt with a lot of injury and can do a lot of things Todd Gurley. Look right to you. I Mansa loan sees NFL. Ain't nobody one hundred percent healthy, right? Everybody banged up beat up. Everybody knows all about who last longest. But what do you think of Todd Gurley right now on your eyeballs Rodham athlete eyeball test? What do you see? I I think. You gotta play amount matter. How you feel right? You got to play. You gotta be one of the biggest game of the year. So I you've got to play all I'll say this. He damn show out place. Hell I don't play football the knocking rush for ten y'all. But he didn't add up. See Tim, you're getting I love tall girl. But come on. I need more than that. Let me get a little personal here. My man devante. Let me to tell him. Now. I talk about you would you only play two games to her. Right. I got what? Wait, wait. They got listen before work will be here. Take you a sock because we know you could ball you will hurt. That's legit got typical ochre. All right. You got Matt Ryan natty ice. Okay. Who do thousand yard, okay. Completed six. I know he could ball. What you got how in the hell y'all notice? John nudist Super Bowl going go be. We worked here, you know, things goes left, sometimes what had to go. Let. Know he doesn't either returned the whole year. He was dead. Dammit. I'm tony. I'm trying to get better every single day. United thing to do about a job play football that it ain't exit knows played football. But devante you're being modest isn't obvious answer. You're not there. The offense doesn't look too. Good running back. I get with fair thing. You can do. I consider you when healthy a top five back five. Three. You bet it who better. They maybe on bell, whoever better. Unlike me, I like me any talk early. I like me. I know this nobody if the same way as I see what you're saying. You're not trying to say anything about your team or your teammates, proud of your own ability. But without you offense. Didn't look the same. Isn't that? We won't be all right. Let me ask you. Obviously facing the patriots in the Super Bowl. We know the tale of two halves if you were giving McVay in the Rams advice about going against Tom Brady, Bill Belichick. What would you tell them? Keep you foot owned a. Nick, let up ended up here. They to keep your foot on your net. Don't let play penalty free right ball and go hard. Let me get personal again. Sorry, atlanta. But dividends. You. You up twenty and they came back. We all. Brenna foot pole. Alright all you had to do with ruined the football. If I remember correctly. They did do that. How was it for y'all that off season? And how y'all atlassian too. Came away. We just shake in bed. We go sake. Bet right now, you know, say like hardy, of course, it's going to hurt, you know. That's gotta deal with that all season. You look at it Super Bowl lifetime opportunity. And we don't know we don't finish. How are we supposed to finish? It. We got what would you deserve? But I remember that loss, and I never forget that. And that's all that matters guy. Devante wait a minute. He later you me come on. Anybody Herschel Walker vers anybody's now. That's maybe what they were missing this year. Isn't it? You know, what you're saying? You're not fully appreciate what you say. I'm gonna tell you how I'm Turpin. Is you all day? Okay. Fine. 'cause I know you got number for you. But here's the thing. If you like that. The reason you what is. They do thing. Why body Atlanta felt why would they Atlanta Falcons seven nine that she and out of the play offs? Light. On to talent. And guys, I really do is Moco, you know, co we we just had to shake you. We had a issue with putting everything together and finish strong. We had a lot of injury out. How to Alabama got Julio Jones. Get to that kills his players the skills position players skills pitched, very high who Julio Jones is ridiculously great. And yet seemed to be that you guys are having a hard time getting in the ball in the end zone especially early in the season. Why was that? Do you think? Hey, y'all got to start getting them. My team. I gotta get gotta get on my team. Doing the autopsy you the season Brian. I don't think I don't think I'm getting on your giving props. And with those props come expectation. We had a sluggish. Okay. We had what we go next year. We got no choice. Listen, we got no choice the Super Bowl in Miami at home wealth from. It is true share for next year. Liked it. We appreciate you. Thank you.

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