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September 27, 2019: Fritz Haarmann

Today in True Crime

12:06 min | 1 year ago

September 27, 2019: Fritz Haarmann

"The today is Friday September twenty seventh two thousand nineteen on this day in nineteen eighteen in seventeen year old Friedel Rota went missing his body was never found but serial killer Fritz Harmon also known known as the butcher of Hanover later admitted to killing him in cold blood welcome to today and true crime a podcast original every day. We flip back the calendar to this date years ago and recount one event from true crime history. I'm Vanessa Richardson today. I'm covering the disappearance and murder of Freetel Rota. He was the first confirmed victim of the German serial killer. Fritz Harmon also known as the butcher of Hanover due to the graphic nature of this episode listener discretion is advised we advise extreme caution for listeners under the age of thirteen before or we unpack the ramifications of Friedel Rotas murder. Let's go back to September twenty seventh nineteen eighteen in Hanover. It was a cool September timber evening and the small German cafe was bustling at most of the tables couples and families eagerly chatted over there dinner's but in one corner young Friedel Rotas sat alone looking nervous he sips his coffee slowly and shrugged off the waiter despite the grumbling his stomach. He wasn't sure how he was going to pay for the coffee. Tonight would be his first night on the streets and and he just needed to rest inside for a while after half an hour he noticed a middle aged man across the room staring at him over a plate eight of sausage. Friedel tried to ignore him but the man refused to look away Friedel found himself growing more and more anxious anxious after another fifteen minutes the man stood up and walked over to Friedel's table. The boy did his best not to make eye contact until finally the stranger spoke he asked Friedel his name and whether he was all right Friedel was I was surprised by the man's high soft voice. The Stranger had a nervous quiet meekness about him before Friedel could answer sir. The man added hurriedly that he was a detective. He just wanted to make sure the boy wasn't in any kind of trouble. freetyle breathed a yes I of relief. He trusted the police implicitly and his fear that the stranger was out to get him dissipated. He told the detective he was fine. He was just looking for work. He tried to sound confident but he knew the pathetic look in his eyes revealed the fact that he had nowhere to go the stranger asked if Friedel wanted to stay at his place for the night. He flashed the boy grin at the corners of his smile. Friedel could make out to prominent strangely sharp canine teeth. He knew he probably shouldn't accept invitations from complete beat strangers but the prospect of spending the night on the street also seemed dangerous somewhat hesitantly. Louis the boy agreed the stranger paid for the coffee and the two headed out into the night. The man made easy Chitchat on the walk and gradually the boy became more comfortable around him. Maybe there were decent people around after all. The man promised him a hot meal. Oh and a cozy blanket friedel confessed to his new friend that he had run away from home and didn't know where he was going to go next next his companion promised that at least for the night he had founded temporary reprieve. What freetyle didn't know was that the man beside aside him wasn't who he seemed he was no detective in fact he was a violent dangerous criminal named Fritz Fritz Harmon Fritz lead his new companion to a run down apartment in a grimy area of Hanover it it was small but remarkably clean friedel could smell the ammonia and see that the floorboards had recently been scrubbed hard. Fritz lead fetal inside and began warming a small meal for the boy as he cooked he made light conversation. He told hold made up stories about his time as a police officer before turning the discussion back to the boy. Did he have any family nearby. was anyone looking for him. Friedel scoffed. He doubted it mattered to his family where he was all he cared about. were his friends. Some of whom lived I close by he'd been debating staying with them at some point in the future but wanted to try and make it on his own for a while after all he was seventeen seen a man. He just needed some work. He would do anything as long as he never had to. Go back home again. Fritz slid slid some bacon from the pan onto a small stained plate and handed it to Friedel after the boy eight. Fritz suggested the to have a smoke. Doc Friedel was flattered. The detective had taken such an interest in him. He felt mature. Smoking and chatting with the older man gradually federally Fritz scooted closer to Friedel as the two talked eventually he was nearly on top of the boy. He whispered that he'd suddenly suddenly had an idea about how friedel could make some money. Fritz pulled a few coins out of his pocket and press them into Friedel's Palm Freetel could hardly believe it. He nearly broke down in tears. How could he accept such a gift after everything else the detective had done for him. What could he do for a man like this. In return Fritz mild and put his arm around the boy he held Friedel close tightly for a long time. It finally dawned on freedom that Fritz help wasn't free after all. Friedel didn't say much after that. He needed a place to stay and he wasn't going back home. He was determined to get away from his family and wasn't going to give up after just one night. He took the money and put it in his pocket. Coming up. Friedel realizes too late that trusting Fritz was a mistake and now back to the story on on September twenty seventh nineteen eighteen seventeen year old runaway Friedel Rota met thirty nine year old Fritz Harmon in German German cafe Fritz posed as a detective with the Hanover police and offered the boy a place to stay back in Fritz's rundown apartment. Just when Friedel was beginning to think he had found his savior he learned but there was a terrible price to Fritz's charity several days after meeting Fritz Harmon Friedel Rota was brutally assaulted in a violent fury Fritz bid did through Friedel's Adam's apple and vocal cords killing him almost instantly when Friedel's friends didn't hear from him for several days. He's after his death. They told police about his acquaintanceship with Fritz authorities already looking for Frito since his parents reported him missing missing on September twenty seventh raided Fritz's apartment in early October. Fritz later claimed that during the raid Friedel's head was stashed behind his stove. Unfortunately officers failed to do a thorough inspection their raid had caught Fritz in the act of sexually assaulting different young boy. They arrested him without bothering to search the apartment. Fritz was subsequently sentenced wants to prison for nine months for sexual assault of a minor. Unfortunately the scant prison time did little to deter Fritz's violence. Friedel Rota was his first confirmed victim but he was far from the last between nineteen eighteen and nineteen twenty four four Fritz likely killed at least twenty seven young men and boys by biting through their Adam's apple with his teeth. Fritz targeted targeted runaways and the homeless like Friedel. He avoided capture for years. Thanks to a special relationship with the Hanover police to whom he acted as a criminal informant after his eventual arrest Harmon was convicted of twenty four of the twenty seven murders of which he was suspected affected at the trial he claimed to be happy to receive the death penalty in fact his last words to the court were I. I want to pass just one more Mary night in my cell with coffee cheese and cigars after which I will curse my father and and go to my execution as if it were a wedding. Fritz harmon was executed on April Fifteenth Nineteen Twenty five by by Guillotine. The butcher of Hanover is remembered today nearly a century later as one of Germany's most violent and depraved craved serial killers. Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more information on Fritz Harmon. Check out our serial killers episodes today. True crime is a podcast original. 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This episode of today and true crime was written by terrel wells els. I'm Vanessa Richardson.

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Benton Crane on The Squatty Potty Unicorn and Engineering Virality with Humor [Episode 15]

Damn Good Brands

38:42 min | 8 months ago

Benton Crane on The Squatty Potty Unicorn and Engineering Virality with Humor [Episode 15]

"Welcome back to damn good brands today. We have a little bit of a change of pace. I'm speaking of Benton Crane. Benton is the CEO of Harmon Brothers Company famous for their Super Viral POOPING UNICORN. Squatty potty. Add the perhaps equally famous and equally scatalogical who Puri commercials harmon brothers are a fantastic and fascinating company and one that. I admire very much. There's a tremendously admirable. Level of quality to all of their and their videos are downright hysterical. They're also incredibly well. Crafted and in many cases have reached pop culture status such as the case of the pooping. In this conversation. We die deep into the creative processes and strategies behind the creative comedic genius of Harmon brothers. All of this and so much more on today's episode of Damn could brands now without further. Ado here's Benton Crane. Ceo harmon brothers. I think your company culture and I did give this a read. So there's a lotta great gold in In from poop to gold which I definitely recommend the listeners check out but I was particularly fascinated. By how you guys are able to maintain your culture because such a creative intelligently creative culture but you also give people great amounts of flexibility in a lot of your kind of cultural values based on trusting adults to just get the job done so to speak but It sounds like you when you approach the company. You're able to bring a sense of structure. To all of that wonderfully chaotic creativity that flows so would love to just get your overall approach to balancing such strong and fun and freewheeling creativity but also adding a sense of structure to it. What are some of the keys to to doing that? Yeah yeah that's a really great question so like you mentioned. My background is in data analytics. Nice started my career out as a statistician and I worked at the Census Bureau at Washington. Dc in later. I spent a couple of years in the Intel community kind of jumping from Intel Agency to Intel Agency out there in Washington DC. And so. When I joined up with the Brothers Neil Jeff Daniel. They had they were coming off of a big success at were a brush where they kind of pioneered in Youtube Marketing essentially and and when we joined up it was for the pooper campaign and so I brought this data analytics background. They brought this. You know world class creative background and and when we married those two together we kind of created I like to call it this kind of virtuous cycle where the data what we're learning from the data is feeding the creative process and then what we're seeing in. The creative process is informing what we test next in on on the data side and it becomes this really beautiful cycle where we keep learning and applying learning and applying over and over again and so as people look at our track record and and they see a back in the early days squatty potty purple managers chat books and so forth men. They see us. Continue those types of successes. Leumi is our our most recent one there last year when we joined forces with them they were at about one point. Five million dollars revenue per year this year. They'll do probably somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty five million they're still growing and so we've just been able to kind of repeat these successes over and over again and and sometimes people wonder like do they just have like this golden touch in terms of creativity but when you actually pill back the curtains and see what's happening behind the scenes it's it's a series of dozens and dozens or hundreds and hundreds of tests. You know. Learn Rinse repeat over and over again and so it allows us to just keep learning and learning learning testing testing. And that's how we've been able to kind of stay out in front and consistently put out You know super high quality content that that drives performance for our clients and I feel like a lot of creative companies are trying to arrive at that balance between arts and sciences. They want to do great work but they do want to somehow integrate the data and integrating data analytics into something. That's so creatively driven. Seems paradoxical but it really isn't. Could you talk about the approach today to like what are some of the metrics that matter when you are watching a creative campaign like what are you is? Demographic data is at pop culture data. What what's trending? At the time I feel like a lot of creative agencies get lost in Indata and somehow are the victim of analysis paralysis. But how are you guys able to pick the metrics that matter? That's a that's a really great question so it kind of it kind of depends on what stage of the process. You're at so for instance When we are in the very early stages where we're just coming up with concepts and writing scripts we will we will do. I guess the hardcore data people would not consider this data analysis right there. The my statistician friends would all would cringe it this but it actually really really works. It's super effective. All you have to do is take your script out and read it to ten. Different people film their faces as you're reading it to them and then go back and make what we call last. And that's where the that's where you you've identified you've broken your script up into little sections and and then you're scoring each section based on the reaction that your listeners are having and so you know if somebody is is looking at their watch then it's probably GonNa score a zero if someone is actively engaged at that point then it'll be a one and then if they're smiling it's a two and if they're laughing it's it's a three and so we create this last graph that allows us to It allows us to kind of pick apart the script bit by bit and identify. Okay here are the areas that are working. You're here are the areas that might be problematic and then we can dive in and we can workshop those problematic areas until we feel like they're performing at a higher level and so that that starts long before you filmed anything long before you cast any actors long before you've done any costumes or sets or or anything like that And then you can continue similar tests like that alter the process. You can test You know before you go live you can test the titles of your videos even test thumbnail images for for your videos contest. Several different intros you can test calls to action. There's all of these different components of the video that if instead of just taking your guests going market if you take the time to to actually test iterating through those then you kind of get this compounding effect where if you get through your titled Testing you get you know. Let's call it thirty percent better. Click through rates and then through your call to Action. Testing you another twenty percents Better quick charade then all of a sudden it's your compounding and through all the compounding you end up with a campaign that performs exponentially better than if you had just taking your best guess at it right right. I love the idea of laugh graph. It's kind of like how can stand up Comedians test. Their jokes on the road for weeks develop and interact with and then finally put a special together. That's really exactly yeah. We we found that it's much much easier to teach a comedian how to sell than it is to teach a marketer to be funny and and so we We use a lot of comedians in our in our creative process. And so of course like you mentioned that is the process for them. It's it's right not test tweet chest tweet tests. And they don't think of themselves as data people but they're essentially following the exact same process so we just apply that saint process in every part of the creative process that we can figure out a way to do it. Yeah Yeah because a lot of people have this this false notion of something like let's for instance. It's something creative or like a standup special. They think it just kind of arrives out of thin air people just right in one shot then realized that a special. That's laugh after laugh at laugh is comes from a lot of kind of rinsing and repeating and data and stand up comedians. Have to take on the like. Every joke has to be audience tested. It's pretty obvious that that's exactly right. It's always kind of shocking to people when they hear that you know a two to four minute ad that we put out usually take a Months from start to finish to to produce that end and at first blush. It's like six months like I could turn that thing out in in a month or or whatever what they don't see that behind the scenes there is so much testing in iteration and Rinse Repeat Rinse repeat and the the amount of work just like you mentioned with a stand up comedian. You know when you see Jim. Gaffney stand up there and deliver his forty five minutes of Polish comedy that has the whole audience rolling. That's ignoring the thousands and thousands of hours that he spent a open mics in clubs. You know a work shopping. Those jokes to find out what works? And what doesn't right right. Yeah Yeah. It's Kinda unsung hero. Ick element of vet entire process. So one thing that seems to be synonymous with a lot of your work like namely Poo Pourri and squatty potty. Both having POOP IN COMMON. Is they both really really? Do Push the envelope in terms of in terms of humor and they're so just outrageously disruptive and I remember reading the book that there is an element of fear when you're first launching like Oh is this. Is this going to work when you're doing something like that? There's you kinda seemingly walking a tightrope in terms of if it works. It's GonNa work unbelievably well but if it doesn't work it can go so hard so left so fast Did you talk about how you're able to? Kind of mitigate the risk when you're taking those larger creative risks and and the implications of doing that with a client and kind of guiding them through it and the trust that you have to build in order to make that happen yet. It's all that testing that we just talked about. A lot of that really does help us. Mitigate because part of the creative process is You know we always push until it breaks and and what we mean by that is we do cross that line like we we we get crazy. We get wild. We crossed the line. We take it too far and only by doing so. Are we able to identify where the line is because we we can push it and then go test push it and then go tests and we keep finding okay where we take another step too far? Where where have we you know where? Where does it break essentially and in those areas than we pull it back and so it it helps us? It puts us in a position to where we can take creative risks but most of the creative risks yet identified early in the testing process. And so it doesn't become like you know a massive PR nightmare for us for our client catching things early in the process and adjusting on the fly makes sense. So I'm really curious as to what your creative brainstorms look like in terms of structure or all or lack of structure. What do what is what is it brainstorm at Harmon. Brothers usually look like so usually when we're developing concepts. We asked a writers for the first has to develop their concept in a vacuum meaning. We we want to eliminate any group. Think for the first pack. So for instance will will put for riders on on any given project and each rider will work in a vacuum and they'll come up with their own individual concept their own individual script goes wild as as they want to go then. What we'll do is. We'll come together in the writing retreat and most people in the industry when I tell them this they they just can't even begin to wrap their heads around. But I hear the script for the first time exactly the same time that my client is hearing the script for the first time. The I'm literally sitting next to my clients and we're both hearing these these scripts these concepts for the very first time and so there rob reaction to it is happening at the same time that my reaction is is happening to it and And what that allows us to do. Is we see these four concepts and scripts that were all created in a vacuum and then we can identify okay. What's working what's not working. What are the strong elements of these What we need to. Would we need to set aside? What do we need to throw out? And so we workshop that we basically identify what we kind of colleague the backbone of okay this concept is going to be the backbone of the script and then the four riders will all come together and jointly work around that single backbone and and essentially make rewrite than tire script around that backbone but working jointly and so sometimes You know sometimes where we're pulling jokes from multiple scripts bring them all into one sometimes where we're starting fresh there but the idea is that we're bringing all those best ideas together to to kind of maximize what what we ended up with and because the client is there as we're going through that process we never have to quote unquote sell our clients on on creative concept Instead they're they're with US talking through the pros and cons of a you know the the various scripts various elements and so when we walk out of those writing retreats. We usually have really really good alignment between us and our clients were both on the same page. That's so interesting that you bring your clients in that early in the development process. I feel like a lot of ad executives cringe at that idea but I would imagine not only save a lot of time in unnecessary meetings and back and forth something like that but it also really makes your clients feel like they're a part of your team vice versa. It's definitely an interesting. It takes a certain level of bravery and trust in your people though obviously and it feels like. That's a huge part of your culture. Yeah or early on. I remember I had A. I had a couple of moments where I was like. I haven't even heard this script. I have my clients lying in and I have no idea if this is going to bomb. It really felt super scary but like you mentioned the process has proven itself time and time again to be so incredibly valuable valuable to the point. Where like these writing? Retreats have kind of grown a reputation where we get access to all the time that I fly on the wall. The writing retreat. I I just want to see this happen so company. Investors are begging to come. We get board members who WANNA come what we had to do is we had to create a hard fast food for our clients that says look you can bring up to three people no more than three people. 'cause you know once you get you know lots of cooks in the kitchen it turns into committee it just kills the process so we tell them up to three people in those three people have to have full sign off power on the script and they have to have full control over the future of the brand so usually it's the CEO and CMO. The that are there and the reason we do that is because we can't have a script yet developed at the writing retreat and then go back in go back. Okay now let me go show it to my superiors and the warriors were part of the process. They don't catch vision etc and it just kills the whole process so we we have pretty strict rules around around those those writing retreats. They've proven just incredibly incredibly effective at one coming up with great great creative ideas and to getting perfect alignment between us and our clients. Eric and the writing and treat for those who haven't read the book is you guys will take your writers. It'll be the about two days where you're in a location. That's a little off the beaten path like a cabin kinda. Yes yeah we we usually go up to Sundance in the Sundance Film festivals. Pretty famous for For being kind of a creative haven and we'll go up to sundance will rent a cabin. We'll go lock ourselves in the cabin for For two days and one of the one of the kind of a cheeky but effective things that we do is win. Were in the middle of the creative process. Everyone has to put their cell phone in a bowl and and the rule is if you have to get your cell phone out for texter caller in email or whatever then you gotTa Throw Twenty Bucks in the bowl and and at the end of the two days we we raffled off whatever cashes in a bull. It's usually not much. You usually end up with you. Know Forty or sixty bucks or something because there's always an emergency or two that someone needs to deal with But for the most part You know people actually find it really liberating to set the phone? Aside and really get hyper focused into the creative process. That's awesome. That's really really cool. Yeah makes a ton of sense because not only distracts from the the the task at hand when somebody's looking at their phone but the sheer act of looking at your phone even if you have enough restraint to now look at your phone. The distraction of thinking. Should I look at my phone? Should I not that alone? Takes you out of the moment? So the the whole bowl ideas really really brilliant Now the thing I'm curious about is as you guys began to grow. It seems like there was no dip in quality. Possibly even the opposite. How were you guys able to balance growth with retaining quality and the the things that made you guys as unique as you were? Growth is a relative term right so we have not taken the approach in our agency of you know trying to become What would I call it like a volume type play where we maximize the number of our clients to maximize the number of our campaigns? Therefore we have to maximize the headcount in the agency. Instead we've tried to take a little more of a boutique approach where where we keep. Really High We have we've definitely grown. Where up to five creative directors whereas early days? Daniel was our only creative director so we definitely have the capacity to do five times more campaigns now than than we did back in our early days so we haven't grown but we're still six years into this. Were still a relatively tiny agency right. You know. There's there's probably Probably about forty now to. How do we keep quality up? It's like each one of those five creative directors has kind of gone through an apprenticeship working under and with Daniel To develop there their skills and their abilities until eventually they get to a point where Daniel trusts them with with their own projects and then and so he'll he'll he'll set them off to do their own project but even then we have creative I don't want to call it controls. I want to call it more like creative support. Built in for each creative director in each creative team can come back to what we call the brain trust. We stole that term from Pixar. If you haven't read Creativity Oh. I Have Multiple Times I. It was the one that I highlighted it so much. It was did got to the point. Where like why am I even highly anymore? Ninety percent of this thing as highlights packages stop violating. We stole that term from them. And and what we do is we have our creative braintrust where any creative director any creative team. Not only can they come on an impromptu basis to the brain trust for help and for input but we actually have built-in checkpoints all along the creative process that that essentially say no matter whether it doesn't matter if you feel like you need it or not. This point in the process is brain. Trust check in and so we do those brain trust check. Ins and that allows for All of the other creative directors and even Daniel to get his mind in every single creative project. That's happening even though Daniels. Not necessarily the one getting his hands dirty on every single project. He's able to take his experience and skills and everything and help all the other creative directors achieved that same level of success. Yeah it's it's fascinating and I think it really. It seems paradoxical to have a lot of structure in place when you're doing something that creative but sometimes those they're not constraints but those procedures can not only make the creative better. But also just enable freewheeling creative to happen and I feel like a lot of anybody's worked at an agency has probably at one point in the victim of too rigid of creative structure. But it sounds like you guys are able to kind of remove the rigidity and the painful elements of having a structure in place by giving more creative control to your creatives and it seems like everybody that the brain trust notion going back to pixar a key element of that was a director would have the script or the story boards or whatever and then the brain trust of other directors would look at it and give their unvarnished feedback but the demane director did not how was not required to integrate. That that's correct. So let's say a level of creative control. Is that how you guys operate yeah? We tried to mimic that exactly in the way. Pixar does it. So for instance the brain trust main function is to point out problems. Two point weak areas not necessarily to prescribe fixes. Now that doesn't mean that the brain trust can't come up with ideas in brainstorm around. Hey have you tried this. Could you try that? This might work. That might work but at the end of the day. The creative director on any given project has the ultimate decision on okay. I've taken all this feedback. Heard all of this input now. This is what I'm going to decide to do on how I want to address this. This particular issue and and Daniels really good about trusting the creative directors to to make those final decisions. In fact I can't think of a single time in our history where where Daniel has has kind of come in and vetoed a creative directors decision or or overridden. It Nana's possible that it's happened some point in our six year history but I honestly can't think of a single time that's huge it in almost every single situation in the brain trust will consult you know give that feedback and then Daniel will look at the creative director and say hey I trust you. That's just so good for the soul of a creative person is to not have their ideas down. Yeah that's enormous. It's huge one thing we've learned over and over again is that creativity thrives in environments of trust. It's win win a creative director. Here's from Daniel. You know what I believe in you I trust you. You'll make this happen then. Even if it's a new creative director who has limited experience under their belts. They'll always rise to the occasion and they'll go create something amazing. Yeah now that's that's a huge part of the process and I feel like it's something that a lot of companies get wrong when a kind of a geeky question when it comes to project management. Do you guys have any goto tools or procedures like. Are you guys base camp users? Do you abide by Kanban or waterfall or any sort of pre existing protocols whatever either the tools or approaches that you guys have you know early on? We tried a couple of times to roll things out company wide and the only thing that ever stuck company wide email was slack and all of our other attempts management tools and stuff When we tried them at the company wide level it was just a it was like pulling teeth going to dentists. Whatever you WANNA call it. We could only get limited adoption. And so what we ended up doing was we. We allowed each individual team to choose for themselves the method that they want to use so for example our our Biz Dev keen uses a CRM CRM. The landed on was copper and We have our funnel team uses base camp and then our video team they use one. I'm having a brain fart. I can't remember the name of it but it's very specific to video production And and so it. It has both pros and cons. The CON is that all these systems. Don't talk to each other and so we don't get the The cohesiveness across the teams that that would result if we had one single system to rule them all but the flip side of the coin. Is that because we're allowing each team to use what works for them. They're actually adopting it and using it and and so ultimately I don't know if it was the right decision or not but ultimately was the decision that we made end and it seems to be working decently. Okay you know I imagine if we scaled up to become a huge agency that we hits malls with that but you know the small size were at seems to be working tool last. Few questions Are you familiar with George Lois? The Ad Executive. I'm not he. He's written a bunch of books he he was in that for the name of this fantastic documentary about advertising. That was actually interesting and he was like an og creative. He had this kind of ritual. Where every Sunday he would go to the Metropolitan Museum of art all day long and he would do it as a means to kind of replenish is creative brain because he believed no idea existed in a vacuum so he just kind of p called a filling the well you would just fill his own well with creative ideas and a lot of his. His major campaigns came from stuff that he saw the Metropolitan Museum of art. Do you guys have any either individual or internal company-wide protocols for remaining on the pulse of either culture or creativity. Is there any way that you guys refill your own well so to speak from a protocol level? We haven't had to implement any any type of protocol but I can tell you from cultural level. Yes like one hundred percent. Yes so sit. Several things here There's a lot of people in our company WHO Who are either Are ALREADY STAND UP COMEDIANS. Or who are in the process of becoming stand up comedians. And right down. The road from us is the drive. Our Comedy Club Which? I don't know if you're familiar driver. But it's probably the fastest growing comedy brand in the world right now. It's it's on pace to catch up to brands like comedy central and and and Saturday night live. It's booming and what it is. It's it's a comedy club that focuses on family friendly stand up and and so By having the club right down the road where able to not only mix and mingle with a lot of comedians from dry bar But just having the exposure to all of their their content sets the that they're doing In addition to that we got a couple of Improv. Comedy Clubs Right down the road from us. Get several people involved with those shows every weekend. Then on top of that Our team just consumes an enormous amount of media you know. Be it youtube videos. Facebook videos movies podcasts. And and part of the culture around the office that I know some businesses kind of frown on people using social media and and watching youtube videos and playing on the clock so to speak and like here. That's free raisman The the more the the better and so usually several times a day people will be gathering around somebody's screen to all laugh at a youtube video or something they found And so those are kind of You know several of the ways that our team is just constantly consuming and and and getting ideas and then the ability to just get to right on lake on so many of our projects. It's the process of writing one project in kind of prepped. You for the next one. And so it's it's like bringing the two worlds of consumption and creation together and as long as you're doing a lot of both than than a keeps the keeps the creativity fresh in new great very cool so I know We'd mentioned the picture book. Creativity Inc the POOP to Gold Book. Mentions good to great and start with why other than any other. Essential key reads. That either helped your help your company either from a creative or business perspective another phenomenal one that that we reference all the time around here is how to build a story brand by Donald Miller so it it the thesis of the book. Is that the most memorable messages on earth. Always come in the form of a of a story and you know that's natural right like human. Humans have passed information down from generation to generations or storytelling. That's what that's the way it's been for thousands and thousands of years and so our brains have become wired to remember stories and and Donald Miller argues that there's one specific format of storytelling is kind of the The most effective in terms of engaging people and making it memorable and that's the hero's journey you can look at the top one hundred grossing films of all time in something like eighty five of them. I don't know the exact number but it's something like that. Something like eighty five of them followed this hero's journey Joseph Cambell Yup and so he he makes this argument and lays out a framework of how you apply that to the world of branding and into the world of advertising and how to bring the Hero's journey into that messaging neither look back through our ads and all of our ads. Follow this this hero's journey format where the brand is not the hero. So if we're doing a a checkbooks add chat. Books is not the hero of the story. The brand character is not the hero of the story the customer or in this case the viewer. Who's watching? That is the hero in their own journey. And so you know if you think about Star Wars Luke as the hero. Obi One is his guide. And then OBI WAN gives him a tool you know his lightsaber and and then calls to action. Says okay go go defeat the the evil empire are against the forces? The tool I I should say but But that same format works in advertising so a chat books. The viewers the hero. Our chat books. Mom THE CHARACTER IS THE GUIDE. And then chat. Books is the tool that that the guy gives to the hero and says okay. Now you go be a hero in your own journey. And that format makes the makes the ads amazingly memorable and just engages with people at such a a just a motion level that they don't forget that's fascinating the idea of making the viewer. The hero of the story as opposed to easily be most people would probably think. Oh we got the character the hero of engaging the audience as the euro. That's that's pretty interesting. It's a subtle tweak but holy smokes as powerful awesome well on that note bent and this was a real pleasure. Thank you so much. Extra having me Congressman I. Yeah I'll definitely send you a link as soon as soon as it's ready to go antastic cool arm and thank you again really really Love Your Work and looking forward to see what you guys do next. I really appreciate the invite. Thank you for having me on correspondent. Pleasure thanks Ben Touch by five. All right really really had a great time with this conversation with Benton I personally love to geek out about the creative process and was really fascinating to hear how they do it at harmon brothers. Anyway here is always are some of the key takeaways from this conversation with Benton crane number one the most effective creative clarins usually start in a vacuum soon the beginning stages of every video they created harmon brothers four separate. Riders are tasked with writing four separate initial scripts no exchanging notes. No brainstorming with each other. Each writer writes the script completely on their own in a vacuum next. The client is called in for a reading of each script until this moment. No managers or higher ups in the agency has seen or weighed in on any of the scripts presented to the client as. They are in their first drafts. This may seem like a huge risk but the clients love it because it allows them to get involved in the raw creative process and the writers love it because it gives them the freedom to do their job and get their ideas out in their raw form. Unencumbered by the management or dare I say it micromanagement of other managers. Who can water down their ideas substantially number to test everything every Horan brothers campaign undergoes an insane amount of testing for instance the conceptualization stage. The initial script is read to ten semi disinterested people during the reading. Their facial reactions are captured on video. A scorecard referred to as the laugh. Graph correlates the reactions to each part of the script in order to gauge. Whether or not the jokes are funny soup. Pretty Interesting Testament to the links that harmon brothers will go to to ensure that every single joke and video works. And when you watch the videos you can tell number. Three learn from Pixar and create braintrust harmon brothers operates with Pixar style create a brain trust were other writers and creatives will weigh in on scripts storyboards and shoots as their develops. The Brain Trust exists partially to identify weaknesses and to find opportunities by giving the creators feedback from a trusted group of peers. That they trust. But here's the thing for the writers and directors don't have to take the feedback or the notes it's simply constructive feedback to make them better and they can use it or not use it. This is why it works. Creatives always want to be better and to do better work. But they don't like being told what to do for more on this topic. I highly recommend reading creativity ink. It is by far the greatest single volume ever written on the topic of the creative process. Fight me number. Four learn real storytelling like Joseph Campbell's Hero's journey Benton spoke about how humans are hardwired to pay lasting attention stories featuring a protagonist on quest such as in Joseph Campbell's Hero's journey as such in harmon brother ads the viewers our position as the hero while the promoted product is the quote Unquote Sword. That sleighs the dragon or the bridge. That stands between them and the prize. Typically this is a happier life. Benton said that the hero's journey formula is a solid gold framework to approach at writing with because no other archaea typical structure makes as deep of an emotional connection with audiences. This is why it's important to learn storytelling. It's not just a cliche. Marketing tool is what connects all of us as humans. Anyway guys thank you for listening big. Thanks to bent in for taking the time really enjoyed this conversation. And if you joy this episode he would mean the world to us if you shared it with your friends and colleagues on a link. Dan Don't forget to subscribe to the show on spotify apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen and thanks again for listening to damn good brands.

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How to Make Sticky and Clicky Viral Commercials with The CEO and the Founder of the Harmon Brothers

Thrivetime Show | Business School without the BS

29:40 min | 4 months ago

How to Make Sticky and Clicky Viral Commercials with The CEO and the Founder of the Harmon Brothers

"On today's show we're joined by the CEO of Harmon brothers and he shares with us the keys to making an effective viral marketing video. Harmon brothers is the company behind the videos that you know the commercials for Squatty Potty the Purple Mattress Chat Books and much much more. Get ready to take notes. Has Bitten Crane. Teaches you super move three to one? Boom you are now entering the DOJ dojo of Mojo and drive time. Show time show on the microphone. What is this top? The charts in the Category Business Dent on Business Topics Artistic Shift Liking Inc. We go so pass the market pad to the NAB. It's can stop the best food three to one. Here come the business name. Yes yes yes yes. We've got big Craig on the brain. Ben Crane welcome onto the drive time. Show how are you sir? I've tactic thank you quite happy to be here. Man I am. I am fired up to have you on the show here. We share with the listeners. Out there what you do for a living. What what. What is your career? Sure I'm the CEO of Harmon brothers. And you know people who haven't heard of harm brothers is probably heard of our work. We're famous for commercials that we made for companies like poop are- Squatty potty purple mattresses chat books Leumi Deodorant and and many others Times people refer to US AS THE VIRAL VIDEO. Guys the viral video guys. Now you have proven time and time again that there is a method for making videos that are cliquey that are sticky videos that get stuck in your brain. You know the videos that did take off that catch on can you? Did you believe you can teach other people absolutely you know it. It's interesting because historically advertising was a world where advertisers kind of had a captive audience. And so they could just put any crap they wanted to in front of you and you were just kind of stuck with it. You know your commercial break comes on. You don't have anything else to do. So you're stuck watching lane commercials but the Internet has kind of changed that and it's made it so that we can be much more choosy about the content that we see. And you you think about you know. You're about to watch a video on youtube and then ABC comes up prior you can choose to watch that or you can just hit the button and move on or an ad shows up in your facebook feed and you can choose to watch it or you can just scroll past it and so as advertisers. We've had to change our mindsets and now we think about. How do we make ads? That people actually want to watch How do we make ads? That are so much fun that people choose to watch them and they don't have to be forced to and not only do they want to watch them but they they want to share it with their friends because it's so much fun. It puts a smile on their face. It adds value to their day. And and as an advertiser. When you can get that right you can have a message. That really spreads far and wide. Now if you were going to teach somebody let's say you had somebody who was paying you to teach them how to make a viral commercial and I know there's a lot more detail than what we could possibly cover and a half hour. But what are the core Chunks or the core parts of a video. That's going to work. It's going to take off. Which just kind of walk us through the timeline of making a good one minute commercial. Yeah so You know at a high level the components that really have to be there really have to fall into place are I actually have to have a message that sells meaning You've got to have a product or a service that actually solves problems or people you know something that people actually want people actually need and And when you can craft a message where you're speaking to people in a way that resonates with them and they actually want what you have to offer them. That's like step number one. Once you have that in place then you can start to think about the entertainment aspect of it. You know making it funny making it sharable making it memorable Making it surprising. You know how to catch people's attention all of those things can come but they all have to be secondary to the core which is actually having something that people want and something that people care about so step one you have to have a real product or service that solves a real problem that you're real ideal unlikely buyers are actually willing to buy But then those first five seconds what you have to have an in addition to what once you have a great product or service that people actually want. What do you have to have in those first five seconds on the first five seconds we have to? Hook your attention so you know if we don't Hook your attention in those first seconds. Then you're gone. You know scrolled past it. You're moving onto you know to shiny objects and so what we look for him and hooked is something. That's surprising but very appropriate and what I mean by that is oftentimes advertisers. We'LL TRY TO USE SHOCK VALUE. Just for the sake of being shocking. They'll think hey you know if I do this wild and outlandish thing that I'm GonNa Capture People's attention and then once I have their attention will be able to sell them something but if they if they just focused on being surprising for surprising sake and they don't actually tie it back to the core message then what that ends up doing. It just becomes confusing for the viewer and confused. Customer never buys that that's just a court ruled that confused customer will never make a purchase and and so we always go for surprising yet fitting so an example that that I love to us. We made a commercial for fiber fix repair tape. Which is this fiberglass repair wrapped? That's one hundred times stronger than duct tape and to illustrate just how strong it was. We created we took two cars and we built a roll cage around each car. Now one of those cars roll cage held together by duct tape and on the other one was held together by fiber five or six repair rap and we through both cars off a cliff which from viewers perspective. That's very surprising. You know you're going through your feed and all of a sudden you see these cars being thrown off of a cliff. It catches your attention and the demonstration showed how the car that was protected by duct. Tape was utterly destroyed. You know it's flattened like a pancake but the one that was protected by fiber fix held strong and so not only. Did we surprise you and catch your attention but we did it in a way. That tied back to the core message of showing how strong FIBER FIXES. Your Hook has to be surprising yet fitting. Is that correct exactly? Now until you let me give you a counterexample clay I remember several years ago. There was a commercial for a company called outpost DOT COM I'm pretty sure outpost dot com is now defunct but in this commercial they heading marching band out on a football field out. There know spelling the word outpost dot com to make it surprising. They released a pack of wolves to run out on the field and attacked this marching band and wreak havoc on that and of course yes that's the pricing and you're doing it and go you know what. What is this that? I'm watching your surprise but it wasn't fitting. It didn't tie back to what their core message was quite frankly. I don't even know what their core message was. Nor does anyone else who saw commercial and so they would have ended up with just a comp- using message the Yes. It was surprising it was attention grabbing. But then because it was confusing it didn't actually result in sales. So you gotTa have step number one. You've got to sit down and really think about it. You've got to sit down and go. Do I have a product or service to people actually want step to. You've gotta make that Great Hook. What step three once. You've gathered people's attention. What do you have to do yes so after the hook then you go into the problem so that you can transition into the solution and the key when presenting. The problem is presenting an empathetic way. Showing look I know how you feel because I've been through what you're going through. I know what you're facing and then that allows you to transition into presenting the solution that you offer with authority because you already established that empathy to say I understand. I know what you're going through. Now let me show you how I came out successful. Let me show you this product or the service that can help you be successful in your journey. But it's all about the empathy authority so step three is introduced the problem and you say look. I know you feel because I've gone through this as well but then step four is to introduce the solution so so now let me show you how my product solve the problems is that right then. That's that's exactly right. And when you when you introduce the solution that that's where you're establishing the authority because you've been there you've done that and you've come out successful now. Let me show you how you can be successful. Let's let's nerd out for a second on inexpensive gear. All right. Let's go. There's gotTa be some entrepreneurs listening out there. Who are going. You know what I am going to go to harmon brothers right now and. I'm going to hire these guys to make me a great commercial. And if they did that. What's that GONNA cost if they if they hired you guys to make a commercial for their company and I know you have all different budget ranges? But how much does that cost? Yeah I mean like you say that. The budget can range You know from the low tens of thousands of dollars in several hundred thousands of dollars you know just depending on how crazy and wild. You're getting throwing cars off of a cliff is not you know. That's not a a a low budget add But there is a lot that entrepreneurs can do in the lower end of the budget especially start-ups who are starting out you know. They can't afford to spend hundreds of thousands of to to get sales they've got to be able to get settled on a shoestring budget so the principles that we teach are actually independent of the budget young. If you follow the principles you can drive the results and then as your company grows and you can afford you know more exciting big. Bigger budget things You have the flexibility to do so but you would never want to start that way in terms of the your rules. Do you have a book somewhere that people can buy or someplace they can go to get your rules in in writing or proven principles for making videos that work. Yeah you know the the the best place harmon brothers university dot COM And that's where we have. We've developed a series of courses to teach people to market like we market Into apply the principles that You know that we use every day in our work harm university dot COM harmon brothers university dot com her brothers university dot com. Okay great now in terms of the gear. What if I'm listening right now and I'm short on some cash tight budget I'm a startup? What what's the bare minimum gear? Give us what kind of camera can we get out the gate with to make videos that are credible looking? You know I believe it or not. I'm actually not a gear expert. Come on I I have lots of camera people on I my team. Who loved to Geek out around this conversation But quite frankly clay. You know you work. What is with what is available to you and You don't if you're at that point where the only thing that's available to you your cell phone then by all means use your cell phone you know you can apply the principle you can apply all of the things that make advertising work you can apply it on a shoestring budget with the cell phone and then as your company grows and as you progress and as you start getting income and revenue coming in the door. Then you start to get the flexibility to say okay. I take it. Up A notch. How do I make things? Look you know more professional more buttoned up. You can start to get into you know cinematic cameras and lights and those sort of things but you don't have to start there years ago. I used to work at a company called faith highway. We sold evangelism commercials to churches and every once in a while. I'd go up in the editing room and watch people these commercials and people would take hours and hours which would turn into days to come out with a thirty second commercial. That was awesome. How long does it take you to edit a sixty second commercial well a lot longer than you would ever ever think or expect You know to to give you some context Some of our most famous ads You know we refer to them as our hero campaigns They're kind of the the big budget production at that you know the that a lot of people know us for like that fiber fix when? I talked about believe it or not. Those ads actually take six months from beginning to end to go through the whole in the process of coming up with the concept going through the writing phase and then the story boarding phase and then producing what we call an enigmatic which is basically Just very rough draft version of what the ad will become and then you go through pre production and then you film you have several days onset then you go into post production but the commercials you make have increased the sales for some clients right. I mean some of these commercials. I mean yeah. They took a long time to make in. Yeah they're expensive but what kind of return on investment have you seen for some your clients and we have had the client seen direct sales as a result of the commercials. Oh huge huge so appropriate. I think prior to our campaign they they were operating it somewhere around seven million dollars per year And then you know we help them grow too. I think it was about thirty million dollars per year the next year similar for squatty potty. I think they went from about four million dollars per year to thirty million Purple went from zero to you know now. They're publicly traded company with a market cap of over four hundred million dollars And the list goes on and on Looming Deodorant went from about one point. Five million dollars per year to thirty So yeah yes. Huge growth for these companies was the name of the of the Deodorant recommended. The yoder and company yes so Leumi Deodorant L. U. M. E. IT's an all natural deodorant. Actually works landed. Kind of what sets them apart. Is Its dealer for you know armpits and private parts? Wow which like like many of the things we've tackled you know. It's a pretty taboo subject Similar to like pooper or squatty potty or something. Wow okay there. It is right there folks. If you're looking for the kind of deodorant that you could put on your crotch. Checkout Leumi. These guys L. U. M. E. DEODORANT DOT COM. That's looming deodorant dot com. Go Up to the website and watch. It's LEUMI DEODORANT DOT COM GO TO LOONEY DOT COM. And you can watch deodorant right there. That is so good. You can put it on your crotch. Among is that a is that. The the the tagline is that the backup tagline. You're working on it. Is now you you just you just etched into stone for us so there has yet to? Leumi is the is the commercial on Youtube for. We've got a couple of them out there. I'm no I'm not gonNA paint you into a corner here with this next question but I do want to ask you here. I'm sure you've heard a lot about the youtube censorship. That's going on you know. It has some Democrats upset has some Republicans upset. A lot of are upset going. Why are they taken this out? Why are they cutting this out? Wire they What are your thoughts? As video advertiser marketing guy about the fact that Youtube is now censoring things and again. I'm not looking for political answer for you. Know Your pro-trump anti trump. I don't want to paint you into a corner like that. I'm just wanting to know. What are your thoughts about the censorship of videos right now so for me? Personally I think any sort of forced government censorship. I think it just goes fundamentally against you know our First Amendment Rights of freedom of speech. Yeah that's it. Youtube and facebook are not government. You know they're private organizations. And so my opinion on it as a private organization they can choose what they want to put on their platform and what they don't want to yeah Now do I feel like I'm aligned with their decisions. Not Usually but they I feel like they have every right to do that and it just opens up the door for other platforms to come in and fill a need that. They're not willing to fill for reasons but you know their their decision. Well I will say this. Let's just say that you are a conservative or a liberal listening today and let's say there's a video up there that you wanted to see. Today that was in favor of your political views or maybe agreed with your faith and values and that video got deleted you can probably take guess at the worldview of Youtube or facebook when you see what has been deleted because there are some videos on Youtube. That are just bad. I mean you know what I mean. There's violent videos. There's negative videos. There's a lot of lewd and crude videos. And so when you see something gets deleted they'll let you know the political leanings of that organization is is it. Okay if we play just the audio here of your Leumi Deodorant Commercial. Can we do that? Is that okay richer? Maybe you've tried know me but are still is ripe. As France was fine cheeses. Oh take it apply to me to that. Do not fear before Leumi works. Its magic your body. Must Be Brian to Prime Yourself. Shower once a day or as we say in France once-a-month next dry off and work. Leumi into your underarm. While after four days old deodorant and toxins will be removed from your underarms. Bacteria will stop eating or sweat and farting your body will be prime still not working after four days. It's probably your clothes. Stink and non. Just because they're attacking old waxy deodorant residue remains on your clothes trapping bacteria and their orders in the fabric wash after wash so even after switching to me when your body heat warms zero closed the bacteria trapped inside. Continue to each your sweat and farts off the La but they fix is easy simply. Treat the wax stains with a natural pit stain remover? Like nature's miracle or Burnsville these products breakdown the waxy residue and clean out that be. Oh just spritz the pits wait and wash you do you write. These are who writes these commercials. We got a writing team who who writes those. So what you just heard is actually not an ad for Louis. That was actually a a how to auction of video of purchase. That that that was a that was a video that teaches them how to use it. The actual ads that are introducing it to people Would start more from square one like we talked about solution so on so let me you one. That's three minutes and thirty five seconds long. Does that seem more like it? It's kind of a musical theme. Yeah yeah that's the one It is a musical add So I don't know how we'll do without the without the visuals but yeah you're welcome to to give that a play limit. Yeah let me give it a little thirty seconds or so just to kind of get. Put our beak into the water just to get the big wet for the listeners. Here here we got deodorant. The COG my par- turns out. A Newman I do not agree on natural. Gave me a stench like yours. The product was expensive but Schwantz. I was looking for fresh. There was no answer down there gonNA win and not only somehow came your private. Leumi is the world's best natural deodorant and the only dealer everyone's print turn it off in lasts up to three hundred my last week he was needed. We got credits in a head to head study. Simpson longer than both Louis has no aluminum. No I've got turned off. I don't want to turn out. I WANNA keep watching them but I want to keep watching other. I won't do that again. Just want to see a little. You do these. You do these great commercials that people want to watch and I understand you. Have you have a contest going on right now? tell us about the contest that you have gone and maybe how our listeners can get involved cure still. We're calling it to one hundred Cape Poop to go give away. And and basically what that means to us is that there are a ton of people in a ton of businesses who are finding themselves in a really crappy situation right now and you know rather than just getting stuck in that crap may situation you now is the time to innovate to come up with new ideas and and to get out of that crappy situation and we want to help businesses do that and so to that end. We're doing hundred giveaway where we're going to give away a one hundred thousand dollar campaign made by Mike Team while we're the winning company and We're also going to help Ten other companies only grand prize will get the The hundred cage campaign. All ten companies will get specific training from us on how to advertise even in a hard time like what many businesses find themselves today. So you're giving away if somebody competes in the contest and they win you're giving them a one hundred thousand dollar video campaign exactly so tell us all the details of how he can get involved. What what do I have to do? I'm listening right now and I say I want to get involved. I want to do it. What what do I have to do? Where do I need to go? Walk me through it. So you just go to Harmon. Brothers dot com forward slash gold. That's harmon brothers dot com forward slash gold. And there. You'll find instructions and know and details on how How you get to participate so you just go and apply and then we will select ten semi final winners and those ten semifinal winners are to get training on how to do ads like we do them on a budget. We're very tight budget. And and we'll get all ten of those companies started and then from those we'll choose five finalists and the finalists will get to work one on one with my team. We'll coach them through the next step of the process Which is making their own ads that sell and then finally from that group of five will select a grand prize winner. Who might team will then step in and make one hundred thousand dollars a campaign or that? Wow Wow so so Maybe what are some other details about this contest that our listeners need to know if they want to get involved? I I WANNA make sure that everybody is one hundred percent clear on what they need to do in. Just wha what else. Do you think our listeners need to know to be a participant in this contest? So specifically we're looking for companies who are making an impact in the world and And when I say impact. That doesn't necessarily mean that like you know you're out trying to plant trees or you know and world or something like that. What I mean by making an impact is you're providing a real product or service that solves a real problem for people who need it and in my mind. Those are the messages that need to get out there Because those are the products and the services that really help people in all you know solve real problems for people and so if you're an entrepreneur who has a real product or service that solving the real problem then all you need to do is tell your story on On your favorite. You know your favorite platform if you like instagram. He's instagram. If you like Lincoln Lincoln Tell your story. Tell us what it is. You're doing tag harmon brothers. Use The hacks Hashtag poop to gold once again. You'll get all of these instructions when you when you go to that website that I said harmon brothers dot com for slash gold. You'll see all the instructions there but that's basically it. We want identify those companies. Have them tell us their story? And then we'll select ten of them. Got It okay and then again what? What's the web address? I need to go to right now if I want to get involved in the contest. Harmon brothers dot com forward slash gold. Man I appreciate you doing that. It's going to be a lot of fun for the listeners and again. Your campaigns have helped to dramatically increase the value of companies. I think that that really is where I buy into what you're selling or buying into what you guys do. Because I've seen a lot of people that make great videos but they just don't convert into sales and I think that's where you guys are in a different league would. Would you agree that? That's what kind of separates you guys absolutely You know it. It's one thing to say. Yeah you know. Our videos have been viewed over one point five billion times but what really matters is that they've driven you know well over four hundred million dollars in sales for our clients young at the end of the day. It's those sales to keep the businesses afloat right bitten. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you being on the show and and for putting together this great contest and event for the small business owners out there I know so many business owners are in a tough spot right now and this may be just the thing that somebody needs to reinvigorate their sales and take their company to the next level again. Just thank you so much for your time today. Thank you I appreciate you having me on and now without further ado three two there have always been people who don't believe they don't believe in hard work they don't believe in responsibility ultimately they don't believe in themselves they believe in shortcuts in luck. They believe that outside. Circumstances control who succeeds. And who doesn't it's just the luck of the draw but you you are not one of these people you believe that no matter what your circumstances tell you. Success is still possible. Can you accept this responsibility? 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French Spencer

Harmontown

2:04:44 hr | 2 years ago

French Spencer

"Where am I. Harvest's Elmes and gentlemen, I hope you are too. How lucky are all make some noise? Soak it to see here. To the states, the most wonderful the incomparable Spencer Kriton didn't. The bed of moment king a rule, soccer, makeup breakout. You know, Dan Harmon, let's call the mayor of Harmon, town hall. Thank you. Pain. From the bottom of my heart. I wanna. Thank you. I wanna. Thank you. You've been so good. Shimmy have gratitude. We're not was just a little boy. I couldn't thank anyone for a toy. So my rhymes were weak. But then my mom took a peek down my diaper. And she saw. Dan. A Sherman tank. Incest. Jamil. Okay. Knowing winded take the art away. As Donald Sutherland, says, six degrees of separation. I got one of those zits right in the crease of my nose. Notice what is skin thinking, what a, what. How hard I know I already know the answer. I know the answer. There's no God is the answer. It was. What we have a. We arrived at over billions of years of improv like otherwise, someone would say, I think I can figure out a better way to coat a gingerbread, man in like latex, you know, like we wouldn't have to have fucking like systems of CBA men. Ingrown EPA do MRs like same and all topped off with, you know, there's a, there's all the most important part of your skin. The fact that covered completely covered every square centimeter of it in microscopic flora and at a little fauna and. Because if it weren't there, then there's all these things in the air that would land and they would go like set up shop here. You are protected every minute of every day by the fact that you are infested by a beastie that live in harmony with you. Life is prison. It's a prison cell. There's a lot of people in the cell with us through you're, you're alive because you're a bitch. Traded your integrity. See another day behind bars. You could have gone out a man. I know I selling them quoting a movie or something a movie about a guy who goes to prison and has to choose between dying brave and living cowardly. It was really professor. I got. I got a new phone case real big. Okay. Got what made is up magnet instead of thing. It's just a magnet. What? What made you replace it? I'm just gonna new phone and I gotta get the new case for the new phone. You know, this is does that one take those three d. pictures. Yeah, the animal geez. No, no. I've been seeing on Facebook. There's these three eighty photos of dogs ceiling, scrolling through Facebook, and then they'll be this three dogs staring right at three thirty. You know and it's like we'll photos aren't in three d. this is crazy, and it's just this big old dog staring right at you. Coming out of the screen. Oh, coming right out. Yeah, it's weird. You don't because it doesn't look like it will work, but like the Pera lacks of the screen and the photo movement as you scroll through it, it has the sweared three d. effect to it. But I thought it was some iphone thing, and maybe it's not. I wouldn't know. Yeah, not plugged in me neither. I used to know all used to work at apple. You snow all the apple stuff. Now it's like just sad. Whenever I show people my my my phone case, they they go. So it's like a wallet credit cards in there and stuff. I do you cash and all that stuff. And then they always every single person. They always want only. This is just like some weird human instinct. They they go. So he's, you know, don't don't you think that's a little dangerous because now if you lose one thing, you lose everything. Well, you just think about what your brain is doing right now. Like you're, you're. You're, you're, you're you're, you're holding vigil over a society, an ideal society where we aerosol our property to, to the extent that all of its expendable. What are you talking about? Everyone's got like four things in their pocket. If you lose any of them, you're fucked. Nobody wants to lose any of them. You don't wanna lose your t.'s, your phone or your wallet. So why the fuck? Yeah, no shit. If I lose one thing, I'm fucked. Why would you it's what is that instinct that we have? If you think about it, you're kind of fucked. I'm not. I'm not where fucked than you. I have one thing to remember and one thing that fucks me and you have four things to remember each one fucks you a quarter. Who cares. What does this quibbling your nonsense person? You should be ashamed of yourself. Here's here's something that you lost your shame. Dylan, a big case for that so that when you lose it, you know. I should've put a hubcap on that shit. It's been God since the seventies. I would. I would buy shame case. I don't need no shame case. So if that were true, you'd be like you wouldn't push it in your house because people would say the same shit you like now all the chance in your house fucking skull, who what are you get your whole brain in one skull. What do you. Just the two eyeballs then. So the both necessary for depth perception. Yeah, I wouldn't pay increase. What are the woo Hoo. Who are you? Are you an aunt is, are you an insect person here to like really very much Euler? Are you. Your identity is into isn't sprayed in Wyden of cone for me to give you a license to be safe. I don't like about that critique is fundamentally relies on someone essentially explaining to you what it means for things to be grouped together. It's like, yeah, no, those things are together. That's a good point. The same way as if I'm wearing a watch in my arm gets cut off. I'd have lost my watch because those things are to gather or if my head was cut off Mike glasses, they'd also be off my body because these things are to gather. My head hair would also be off my body being with the thing that was removed from because they're together. That's what that means. So I mean, on the one hand, it's bullying you, but on the other hand, it's like, hey, what do you think it means when stuff is associated with other stuff? Let me break this thing down to you. That's what it really is. That's being like being like, empathic going like, well, what's really happening in their brain. They're trying to connect right there like I know what things are when their next to each other, their next to. Each other. Right? They're just saying something right, that's this. It doesn't make me less pissed, but I think I'm growing because instead of just getting pissed, I'm getting pissed and having the thought, which is anytime someone says something that pisses me off. It's just they had a thought and they're like, oh, I want to share this thought and they did it, and they didn't think about the ramifications of that action how much it would piss me off. But they were just so excited that they said, whatever dumb fucking shit that they did before passing it through a filter. And I'm still fucking pissed. But recognizing that feels so that growth. Know. That's just free association. That wasn't me trying to play my situation to yours. I'm not trying to be. Don't get me wrong. Okay, right. That's part was a setback. But yeah. Yeah, I was just in a trance. I mean, and then and then you know, I, I think you and I both say that also. Well, it's these, this other person who maybe they, maybe they're just they're, they're, they're little Honda. Generator runs runs a little faster. It's what it's got less CC's I don't. I don't know what the metaphor would be like because it doesn't do any good to be because the reason we're mad. Okay. Let me start over. The reason we're mad when it happens is because it's not fair because we feel anguish and anxiety and Shane, right? Or isn't that, isn't that what you get mad when cuts you off on the freeway? Really, it's not. It's not like I mean, if if they almost kill you. There's adrenaline and there's holy shit. If anything, usually when it's a really close call, you actually kind of feel a sense of elation and don't remember the other person exists until a couple seconds later. But. Pisses you off about the lack of consideration in all. It doesn't. It isn't the root of that hair. It's not fair because I put myself through so much in order to not be that person and that person isn't even doing it. And I, yeah, to me. I mean, it sounds like the same feeling, but to me, it's like how dare you even assume I haven't put that work in. I'm putting all the fucking working. You put the work in and realize I put the work in and shut the fuck up because it's like I'm trying over here. What are you doing yelling at me for you think I'm not trying your fucking blind shut up. Not like blind blind, you can't see. Yeah. It's good. I live with it. How are you guys to. I guess there is that is. You're mad because they're, they're insulting you right to me. It just feels like, yeah, I'm smart. I know this stuff. Are you like? It just feels like they're trying to like, pretend I don't know this stuff that's like, yeah, no fucking shit. Things are next to each other, but and maybe maybe I'm just kind of maybe. Are we supposed to then? 'cause I'm sure when we're talking, I'm sure constantly you say something and then I say something back that you knew I was gonna say, and then I and the and that I knew that you knew already. That's like we're just like hitting the thing, but I, there's categories of doing that that the piss off, like I think like two zebras scientists can probably make small talk and go like a new zebra in the paddock. And then and then the other ones says like, hope this one doesn't get herpes like because the zebras keep getting hurt these in the paddock. You're not supposed to know. I'm filling this in as we go. It's a non linear. It's a, it's a Showtime, original. This show. The, but, but but kind of the guy, the zebra expert wanted him to say that because he's, he didn't want to have to say there's a new zero in the paddock. And now I'd like to talk about the last one getting herpes. He doesn't want that burden. He wants to be able to actually just like bump the shuttlecock Cup a near the net, right? We have this agreement that we're going to talk about things that two people will talk about mutually, not not anything in the history that we can't relate on, not any future dreams that we, we can't really jumping on. We as people have this contract where we're like we're friends because you know win to change the subject, right? The timing and the person that you don't like is a person who doesn't know when to change the subject. That's like the most basic part of friendship is like your friends with the kid that you're friends with from six years old on, because every time you brought up pace fucker was like pay. Like like paste and you're like, yeah, fuck paste like that's the grand tracked. So we get really frustrated with people when it looks like they're trying to slime us or cheat on the fucking contract and not putting a lot of thought and what you're gonna say it's cheating on the contract and we try to do this shit. Right. So get pissed we get insecure where like, wait a second. I might be fucked being fucked. Being fucked. You where he was supposed to bring up the Green Bay Packers right. I said, man who love Wisconsin, and you've looked at me talking about delicious. Sometimes that's called an emotional bid, right? Yes. I was like the first thing I learned in couples therapy, emotional bids which actually I have to say, I hope coat. He doesn't listen to this because I have to cop the fact that lately. Well, she understands. I apologized today. I've been buried in my laptop like I'm kinda hiding from some shit and like I'm hiding from shit next to her and I'm using my laptop and we, we love each other and stuff, but Nevertheless I have I'm looking at the last week and I have not been matching emotional bids. Emotional bids are just anything. It's the pixel of relationship communication. We've I've that that was the first thing because it was like, oh, if someone says, look out the window at the St Louis arch while you're driving Saint Louis arch or God you you. I hate it. Don't make me look at stuff. I like like like. Every time someone makes me look at something I, there's a transaction happening. I'm like, I'm like all kinds of fucking horrible shit circuit boards that were designed to be mounted in defense satellites in an era that is by gone. This equipment is not needed anymore. It is only hurtful and, but it's like the numbers I'm crunching, hey, look at this thing on my phone. Just like like one little of my brain going like you just made me look at something that's cool. It is. No, you fucking cop. I'm sorry. But you're not supposed to. It's it's an emotional bid. If it's even if it seems few tiles somebody's saying like, it's like small talkies stuff for whatever the look at that. Look at this look at that it's somebody checking in and saying, are you with me like what's more than holding hands already a hand? Like what? If anything, you're. If anything, you're you're taking two hands off the grid. You're actually you actually downgrading half of each of your hands supply. It's certainly not practical. It's definitely not. Edifying. Doesn't like teach. You knew things about your hand. And yet we definitely do it. We do eighty five year old. People do it in our in our dream of how we'd like to go out. And I think most of us me man. Shut up poly-amorous. Paul. You know, you don't like about PP is like his partners ain't shit. Just I don't like lugubrious. He is. I like my poly Ameri to be a little more a little more to it. Right. Put on one or two rape down. Well, my poly-amorous should be read the script for you. Why? All. You know, we let you come to these shows and we might you. Yes, so wow. Yes, so that you should be grateful PP. I have sex with multiple partners. What's your hang on while you hung up about told you? We don't give about that part. It's your dick. Brag about bro. We saw you come in with three different people. I'm I'm dick bro. How many people did you fuck and your last relationship. Number. One do. Go back to Kansas TOTO. Now ask me. How many don't count, bro? Count the number don't mean anything sky's the limit. I'm the limit. Paul's the limit. I'm not taking that shit from a do dress, a three piece corduroy suit, no shirt. Fucking freak bro. Freak and the people you row with or not beautiful poly-amorous. Just body shame my entourage. It's not just the bodies. The face, the fingernails, though situation you're supposed to be able to get like he j. excuse me. Hi, Paul's girlfriend, alpha three. Yes. My point exactly. But you can just call me Paul's girlfriend because we don't count. We do what we do. Okay. We do Polly style. He makes you say that now is. You also, why did we might you do. I think we need to talk about how you just threw shade and tea and lemonade on my body. I am the way I am. I'm and beautiful. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm Paul's girlfriend. One of them. I'm. I'm just saying if Paul is going to, you know if he's going to put together a bow k. there should be maybe some more flowers, a lot less weeds. Oh, damn. Excuse me. I. Lee. Winnipeg. I am a PHD in college. And I am currently a copulating with Paul. Whenever we feel like is no big deal. And I cured. And I feel beautiful on the inside and I'm hearing a work visa and your country is what's ugly to me. Because very hard to get this work visa and I had aids. I have to throw away. I throw away now I throw away those are cure for aids, cure for aids. Well, okay, throw it away. I throw away my name's Neely. Tag, what. That's the kind of trash talking about somebody's with you. Double p. she's got the cure for aids, and she's at the dynasty, hang out. Oh, you back on me now that you went through, you went through my Koop back with the rooster. Does that tell you what I may be poly-amorous I'm also misogynists. I I right to tear you at your entourage down, right, right. By some cook code that you made. Snowflake. What do you think girls you like you like the idea of existing within a small self contained hierarchy with the man at the top that thinks you're all bitches. Oh, we aches. Sound sounds like the customer. Wait, why am I French now. You are customers right. Hey, man. Look, thanks for coming by. All right, always good to see. But look seriously. I only come here for the parts of the show where you talk to me anyway. I was going to leave my segments over. Wow. Yeah, paulie EM or is out multiple times. I leave it multiple times. Wow, probably ever ball. Oh. I'm not fucking with that dude harm and not don't like him. I don't like either. So look briefs. You should invite us up into the concept of sleeping with multiple people. You should make an ad for it shouldn't be like clothes want to use. You'd be like, why is that guy smiling all the time, right? And not not not not who yelled at me yesterday. Like I got a couple comes home guys taken off his sneakers and he's he's, he's got a little grimace on his face and his girlfriend's like scooting up for get some some reading to do, and and then she notices his body language and she says, what's wrong? Carl? And he says, is guy today ran into really read me. The riot act about being monogamous. Talking about this guy is really angry, really got got on me is like a petition outside a target. I was just there to buy a sweater because I love you. I'm sorry, you love makes you cold. No, let me get the sweater fucked up to birthday next week. But part of the story here sweater happy birthday. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I ran into a guy. They just started like like really laying into me about how he's poly-amorous anyways. All right. Sorry. Yeah, I'm glad you brought it up because I'd like to start seeing other people. Why? Because you're poly-amorous. No, because I don't like you anymore. You you, you seem like a less like a real boyfriend more like a weird cipher for Dan Harmon's high babbling. I don't. I don't want you. I don't want to be with you anymore. I think you've just a, I think you're just a mouthpiece for some strange through creature as podcast and some different plane. Babe, I'm real. You saw my birth certificate. Birth certificate, you have skin to? We live in a house. I have memories. I'm telling you the whole thing is a fucking lie. Carl. What do I have to do to prove? I'm real to you. So invested in this. Honestly, I don't know call. There's a contemporary thought that has it that the question it self proves it proves its own answer. What's a fuck you talking about. Hanging out with Zander again. Holy shit. No zander's into crystals. Not simulated theory. Well care what he's into. I'm tired, say his name, what I. I. Maybe just come. Come here. Come come. Come here. Come into the bed with me. Okay. You still love me? Yes, of course. I do. Did you feed the docs. Thought you were going to do that. Do it. Fifth time this week. What. What? What? What does that you said something right. What else? I think there's no guest tonight by the way and rubs rob, isn't here nothing. Nothing, nothing. Nothing good is about to happen. I didn't one man, five characters. Thrill. Fused I I do. I did write down one thing, but I seem to open talking about this and all of the comedic for mutations have already been explored. The weird thing is I'm off Twitter now, so I never know. I hear random things. One thing a week, like I'm eighty years old. Like I know one news item the week are one or one like you just human interest fees and it and I can't tell the difference between the ones that are so played out and everyone's talking about him, whatever. Because Dan before when you were on Twitter, you, you really end your finger on the pulse. We were calling you the dick Clark of our generation. All right. Well, I don't. I don't know who you are. You sound exactly like me. So let's not have a conversation. Why not? We'll see. That's my problem is I, I said, let's not have a conversation. I don't even know which of said that. It was me. Who said that. This is exactly my point. You and I are talking to each other right now. No one can tell exactly. It just sounds like one guy talking because we have the same voice. Yep. Dan, Harvard meets Dan Harvey, Dan, the. So I heard one. One little thing just do shit. I hear there's a tender or the company that owns Tinder the they don't want all the tenders the hydra of all the dating, swipe bees. These. They were gonna or they are I the the, they were going to start charging people over forty like actually. Actually is that was that everybody was talking about now they've been doing on like the idea that if you're over forty, you have to pay a little extra to be on the. Eating. I just thought that was so amazing because it's such a perfect it's beyond Logan's run all the way into just like, because obviously the natural in version of that is like, you know, and if you're twenty five, obviously, hey, Joe, it's on the house and that if you're twenty, hey, here's fifty bucks. And then you keep on going down all the way to the point where if you're pregnant, your baby is worth fifty thousand dollars of credit on a social media site because it's so young you could like you can sign a contract for it like omitting to one over the other. Like I just like the John as you get older than you pay. If you're ninety years old, you have to pay a million dollars a minute. To be around people. It it makes perfect sense. Seems hard to parody. I was trying to think of like how to like come up with something that was like beyond parody, but seems reasonable. But I feel like there could just be like an app that like pays people to eat bugs like you just take a picture of cricket and they'll just give you like thirty cents and they'll be like, yeah, it's a stain, -able blockchain. It's helping everybody, and then it'll be good, but I don't know. Can't you do that on fiver. Yeah, but that's that's way you know, that's a way more equitable than what I'm proposing. What's fiver fibers like you can pay somebody five bucks on above to task? No. Dollar store of task rabbits. That's, I mean, it's everything's just looked pretty slow. What am I. Really slope is in the pit that we're in a slippery pit. Whatever we have like a really bad show. I pay a sixty eight year old man to shit on my chest. And he pays me four dollars. It's a wonderful world. We've built. It is the very definition of blockchain. You should. You should have to pay more to be around people when you're over forty. Do you do fame more to people with your over? That's what I meant you shouldn't have to. That's not what I meant. You do you you? You should have to use every every interact every gesture. You make a cost you three more breaths than a teenager. If you say, I don't know that you your heart had to work harder. But also when you go to like New York City and you are your your walk into the city, you see a bunch of like twenty to thirty year olds in waitress and waiter uniforms are in bellhop uniform, and you realize that major cities are really people over forty with money, forcing twenty-somethings to bust their ass and twenty-somethings. Well, there's six of us, but we live in the middle of Manhattan, New York life, and we're all like struggling to do this shit, which is unfair. But then there's a bunch of like over forty people like you love living. Suck the youth that you love. Not like San Diego. Oh my God, that's that's the way we have currently on this economy not to get crazy dark, but like this Konomi you should have to fucking pay 'cause you, these kids are struggling out there like that was. I've always said that was the, you know, I had an ex girlfriend who kind of woke me up to that that that our industry Hollywood, whatever you call it without sounding like a do the biz razzle dazzle. The business of show like really good, huge tradition of labor abuse and also at the same time. The the thing that's ironic about it is not only labor abuse, but then also on the flip side of it. It's toll, you can't you the labor that gets abused has to have a support system. Yeah, that whole thing like you can't be. You can't just be born in dirt with no support system get on a bus, and I'm going to go be an assistant or whatever. And you got to be rich to get your parents have to have your back a little bit which excludes an entire giant is whole thing. And then we talk about. Where's the diversity on all the stuff, but it's like the very bottom where where we crack the nuts, the hardest, where we make people shitting their cars and they wanna kill themselves like it's all driven by this weird unspoken concept of, yeah, but this is where milk and Honey flows baby. What do you mean? You don't want to like be made decry once in a while, like like, what do you hate? You hate, you hate you hate Spielberg or some hunger. What do you hate jaws? I thought that was a great movie. We what I'm working on the goldbergs. What do you mean. Rift, the name of show with which I have no beef, and no, nobody lower it out so that it was a safe ref case tag that fucked go works. Mad beef with Jeff garland, and then they kick you out when you get old. This rough s business because they exploit you through your twenties and your thirties, really. And then in your forties, you're sort of in a position where you're like, I'm billing you six thousand for that mother fucker. As you get over forty, they're like, hope you got your money in your forties. 'cause. Berbere. Yeah. I mean, I, you could you could writers love writing stories about our obsession with beauty, and we tell you very tales and horror stories in cautionary tales about like, oh, you should have learned that beauty's only skin deep and all this stuff. And, oh, if only I could be fifty and look twenty-five. But then there's this other thing though, like if you're if you could look twenty five and factually be fifty, and that would fuck you over as a screenwriter like people just like if you've been around too long or someone knows that you were here a certain age, you're just not right. There's there's already suit about that with the w. And the way the suit went down, you would think that we had do that. I, my memory of it, even though I was not somebody that cared about it at the time. I was very young full of come and pennies. And typewriter in coups is spraying, fuck and come in and everywhere. I. Somebody somebody books. Also the title of our four part series. So we all continuing full. Coming in the Dan Haba. After the war Winston Churchill called his boys home, but then Haman had moved coming and more typing to do. Changing his identity was a brothel owners that has his same height and dress size. He began going through three typewriters and four or should work a day. His insatiable appetite for carnal knowledge and pros sharing. Was seconded only by his need for more calm. Oh, Hello. Thank you. What did you get here by bus? That's my son. Everybody is. Hi heard you call. So I finished. Let me ask you questions on, why do you talk so fast? I'm just trying to be like you. But don't you understand the emulated of me us starting to become a strange. Uncanny recreation. No one talks the way you talk by their, I'm full of them. So. Didn't want to come. There's much to do many places to go have to say quick so I can go empty this. Really. Of all the things I've done in my career nineteen forties kid full of come was my favorite. You mother fuckers just indicated a twenty year career of Witi Witi Witi things see, sometimes applause hurts, doesn't it? That's what I'm saying. Like never ever solicited. And most of the time when you get it feel bad. It ruins everything. I'm not saying you, I reactor again, but it is like anything less than I mean winter. We ever on the same page about what this around of applause never. What does the likelihood of of agreeing thing? Of course, I would applaud their, but usually applies means, I think it's people going like. Like still with you. I'm listening like change the subject. They're like, really good switchgears. Get off your get off the bike and then get back on again, because basically I'm you're not a fucking triathlete, so I'm not here to be wowed by your bicycling. I'm the only merit you have is the weird wiggles your, but does when you're getting on and off the bike. So. So. Like I just want to go up and down the driveway. So I, I think the applies means like like, like, like, like, good now. Now don't get fucking bogged down in this shit. I don't wanna listen to your fucking weird. Pontiff occasions about the two. L. t. q. to community. But you applauded for skills. I got. I went back and got every letter like almost and then and then I ended two two. Or you were on the end of that group and you're like damn at, say. If he doesn't hit the queers, I'm God it. We've taking it forever. Ameri if it is look, look who sister it is. I gotta say she came with butter crowd than fucking PP. Do y'all looking real good. Hey, guys, it's me Spencer from Harmon town. I'm here with Steve Levy, Steve. Say hi. Hey, everybody. If you know Steve as well as I know, you know, he's a massive reggae master so to speak. And Steve won't shut up about this new stuff. 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Now I just want to make it clear. I did not. We did not go down the g graphic road. But I understand. I don't mind you getting excited and saying, like, I mean, saying he's from France, could've made all the difference. You'd never tomorrow. You could be like, I fucking did it. I did it for you. John Paul, I'm the reason why you were unharmed town, but I am not being a tease. I don't want. I just wanna make a sensible decision. Sure to nobody. Sensible decision won't involve yelling things out. Especially vasectomy. Has anyone has anyone travel. You had a Secta me. Someone that's talked about this at the top of the show, bring Joe eight. Well, let me let me consult with Brandon. I and we'll be right back. That could be good, Brendan. What do you think should be? Who should we? What should we ask for her? Am I doing wrong already? Jeff? Usually his a hair trigger and he just goes back Jeff. We'll just Kumo of like, I mean, I know not congested. He is. Things always turn out well, but I always think in my head, I'm like, Jeff, that was irresponsible. To bring that because it will just be somebody'll just get you agreed. Let's go. I hate that guy. What are they doing? Famer max gonna. Get up here. Get up here. Yeah, I will tell you. I do have a pretty good judge of character. Oh, shit. Like I do think that what he says to. No, no, it's just I mean, if you're frontloading like this. I'm not afraid of myself. I, that's great. I think we need that. I feel there's a, there's a, there's a do love French because we're all Americans. So he would be the most different, right? Possibly learn something in this motherfucker. No one. Hell. Hell, it's sad. The idea of we're going to learn something where we're already feeling so bad. We're feeling so bad. We just wanna meet like a gardener. You know, we wanna like turn in interesting and tristen gardeners gardeners gardeners up feeling for some reason. I'm feeling this outfit right here of shit, which out cheated even here. I do love this outfit, so so as a shallow person, that is where I go. I. Well, I mean she's not a volunteers that don't make her more comfortable. If you bring her up, you got to force her up. Hello. You've been chosen based on the spangling of your jacket. It's just losing you are. But like, yeah, there's there's an episode where Jeff Davis is like if you wear to a suit to urban town, then please say hi. And then he said by for six weeks. It's fucking guys out there. He's eating Ryan styles or date Foley's dick on the. Lately he's watch. Instagram is just like the room services, tasty, you know, like he's just out there reading books and hanging out doing Mike checks. That's all he just disappears. You're at your Jeff Davis fan. I'm everyone fan. I live in rural Japan and. Yeah, hey, so we went for no geographic jacket sparkle. Thanks. We, we got someone other side of the earth from space. But. I never got your name. I'm Jimmy. I actually I have. He him pronouns, but it's all good. You have kind of what's the thing that I'm not going make a big deal out of it, but I didn't hear you see he. Oh, he okay. Well, that's easy. Okay. Jesus, somebody challenged me just made up a new pronoun. We like to do that. Fuck with you. I'm so stoked, he, he is fuck it. Like my my dad was also like that when when I came out to. Came out is what to your dad non binary. Oh, done by area. And, but, but but you still preferred pronoun can just be whatever it's it's, it's a preferred now they're actually and trans community's pretty positive when it comes to making up your own pronoun, what goes, what goes into like like for you personally. If if could Sydor like I like I understand, don't understand like, okay, non binary. But then in picking a pronoun, is it based on utility or other? Yeah, like. Is it a choice for other people, or is it choice for yourself when you pick a pronoun you individually, not the Royal you're not representing. Yeah. No, I mean, but it's like when you go out on the street, it's like it's like it is a utility thing. Like how much energy gonna take to educate every person that I come across and also are they gonna beat me up if I'm lying. You know, you hear my voice started dropping recently. Those pretty exciting thing for me. But yeah, thank you. So sometimes I'll do that and it's like a safety thing. So if I feel somebody kind of like they give you the up and down and they clock you and they're like, all right, sir. Come over here. I'm like, fair. Yes, yes, I will come up with there. But other times, if I if I look at somebody based off of where what they're wearing or like if they're millennial ish looking, I'll go, I use them and usually they're like, oh, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, man. I feel compelled to say like Nova from vodkas. Yeah, they are. They here. All right. All the time. I kind of feel compelled to this isn't a betrayal of our because we talked about it after the show, but but I feel like this is something you'd want people to know that house like the first time I met Nova immediately like, oh, I say, and then I was like, Shannon. Whatever three times and every time I do the self deprecating thing where I'm like, come on focus and stuff. And then I was talking to Nova after the show one time a couple weeks ago. And another interesting conversation was actually 'cause no rest for the wicked. It's like that's actually now like like Nova was like, like, I don't. I don't want to care that much. If people fuck up, I don't. That is not my choice to make a big deal out of it. A preference is just a preference and and. Which pointed occurred to me that it's actually, it's. It's another thing now that I have to keep in mind is like I kinda like take it all onto myself. When I when I go. Right. It's all about me as opposed to continuing to grow and and take it in stride like that internalized is something I feel that every trans person has something like also white guilt as I'm white. So I, you know. You know, you just. White, you. If you, yeah, monologue for you to do about our white guilt as a serious issue. Let's see that next week. You may as, do you think. Do you want it to be a monologue or a poem kid. Haiku. Thank you and bless you. Sorry, continue. And then I do. We have to move off this topic for just a quick section so we can talk about some of the clothing choices. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll reeled you in the middle of thought, so I just wanted you have a chance to finish. Yeah, I don't think it was. Yeah. All right. Now let's talk about clothes. We please. Let's talk about these fucking shoes, which is quick if you're not. Yeah. So if you're at home, these are they are studied and they are studied very closely together so that creates its own sort of show and yellow gold stud. Yeah. Shell of gold studs where how, what country. Actually, it was my cousin's wedding this past weekend. So in San Diego. Kelly close. Updated all data's here. Forty burrito. That the quality of that? Yeah, I don't know if that translated to the podcast. I'm genuinely concerned for that person. They started to say, yeah, but then something happened. Rightfully so I got scared they out. That's nice. That's the audience I like vulnerable outta. Terrified, their flaw, they're flawed, and they're vulnerable and their. Anyway, San Diego, where are they cool people. Were they cool people. They used to be not so cool. Okay. But this is like the liberal side of my family, not not the side of the family that voted for Trump in the primaries in the primaries. Take it all the way. They're so mad at the people who voted for the general election. It's like the pixies got popular, and I was like, fuck shit. I think they got their genes with Trump written in sharpie. On the other day doing this could series shoot dead milkman Trump. Were they? Was it a cool wedding? Sorry, it's a coal wedding. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was a wedding this, so there's lots of straight people. They're just there to experience their culture. It's very the Buzek the music's. Not that good, and it's very bland. It's, you know, it's an interesting time for them. I'm sure they have lots of feelings about it. Well, it's very scary time for straight young white. Yeah, just all these middle aged men just talking about like where my grandchildren, where are my grandchildren four times before we even get to the cake critters. Leaders. But let's talk about that. You can wave off anytime you want. If we get to, if it turns out you're a secret agent or something, but I wanna talk about this living in Tokyo thing, jet kidding. And the jagged visiting the wedding? Yeah, just just for the wedding. So what are you doing until you actually live way out in the butthole of nowhere Okinawa. Very close just Asaka. No, I don't know. So today works once. Oh, Saka and then go six hours into the trees. And that's where I live ship. Woo. That's in Tokyo. All of these writing there. Are you changing vendors that that have jars of of old men's socks in them because of something that we don't understand little talk about Alex Jones. Actually a good description of my program that I'm on, but are you teaching English? Yeah, that's that's. That's the that's the anti. I mean, that's what I always expect to hear when when. Yeah. Well, it's also just like changing one pair of old man socks for the other. Like that's kind of how they treat temporary workers. But that's all also how old the English education system is in Japan and it's not working, but how much Japanese do you have to speak to teach English in Japan. Knee hone go, just Joe had national s does this. On the oft repeated refrain fighting words. Yeah, then them's are fighting where they'll just tell you, oh my God, you're Japanese is so good, and you're just like I said, hi. Yeah, I know there's a lot of syllables. Yeah, like every Japanese versus what Kathi is like, wow, that's so much Japanese. It means I. It means I, I understand. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I could be like riff enough of this. Yeah. Means goldfish. What means I, what's the the. So what the one that you could use could use for formal situations? And also what does he what? Tasha, and then, but because you're a guy, they have gendered pronouns too. So you could use my favorite vocal, which is like. If your mind is ready to explode, the French guy yelled out the Japanese answer. Okay. Okay. And how. Guy, you wanna come up here. You could stay. You stay. We're going to get like. International. It's a French assassin. Hello. I think we're going to confuse. This work? Does he he does sitting over there. I mean, I'm used to listening to podcast, but usually it's like, I know I'm hearing myself, but this is a whole new thing. French censor say something. I cut my my hair and be. Before my trip to the sun Gillette's. So I looked more like you. Yeah, this is harming town. It is. It's weird when you're watching it and not just like doing it, you know. Crazy. Did you did you cut your beard short because of travel? It gets in the in the pillow. Fit to be swallowed by the, you know the engine jets. Thank you. Well, and it messes with the gas mask seal. Right, exactly. We did. We get your name, we didn't. My real thing is going to be a nightmare. So just called me j. c. okay, now that we know we're going to call you Jay z. as a fallback now don't don't deny us our fucking eat out maniacal. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Sorry. Sorry, I think I heard I stepped in. No, no, you were everyone's always waiting for the. Did you ever see splash, Daryl, Hannah. She says her name, she's a mermaid and then all the TV's break. Okay. Anyways, go ahead. What's your? What's your real. Joe would say, alright. No, say, say your real name just say, are you ready for this Charlotte because your show? Oh, nice. J. j. e. a. n. hyphen, Charles. Yup. Gene. As we as my mother fucking neighborhood. Gene, Charles. Okay, t? No Joan Charlotte's. Right to meet you. Thank you so much for coming up. Thank you for having me. Yeah, but. Angeles, man, we're very worldly. I'll probably order dinner from the place called John Charlotte tonight. Tell us what you do and what made you come to town. I'm into video games stuff. Do artful video games, excellency yet. Okay. I came to do a triple under west coast. So this was my first stop. I'm going to fly to Seattle, then go back down to Portland for the ritual gaming convention, and then go through San Francisco and then back to Los Angeles fill and towns. Wow. So we will be seeing you again, which is crazy into weeks. Wow. I'm so excited about the retro gaming convention because I went to there was this thing in Portland called Exo Exo. I think that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. They had like a kind of a it was just a little bit better on a on. A different thing that wasn't. I idea of of you kids like getting all into this retro gaming is. I love it so much because it's like it's function over form encourages all this cool shit. I'm genuinely into it. I'm so excited to hear what you encounter there. Well, it's everybody that's harming town. Weaver, twi- gaming. I think form like the big solely forum drives a lot of the. What's the other one contents? Yeah. So it's. Like when. Green appeared in in in the Vermeer. Green appealed in painting. It drew draw. Draw drove through your fucking verb. Swear. Don't get startup. Also between the English and French Spencer. Yeah, we'll translate. Yeah, because I know what he's going to say before. He says it. We Harry, he's just French there. Right? All right. I think I've more income with you actually because what drove me to listen to Amundsen them by falls a subscription to what's you guys on. Mayor c. Seeing. I feel I share a lot of the multiple shames that you exhibit the. No. This euro which which one's which one would you would you call. My Parfait of shames exquisite. Perfection here. From frenchman. Physics, keith. I have tasted your shame is sublime. In a lot of ways you made me feel less alone. That that made you feel more alone. But because of lonely people doing that. But yeah, no, I hear that a lot in a good way. I love hearing that. That's my favorite. That's my favorite thing that we always come back around to when I'm getting cranky and going, why are we doing this and all this stuff? So I'm glad to hear that. It's it's therapy in some way. I love the French coming that. Like, say this thing on scene like I miss. Appeal they pose, you probably never heard of. It's alright. In the nineteen eighty s. Once went on stage in this first one month show show show and. The. They're like, yeah, I'm an exhibition est and you're all voyeurs paying to see an that's blue. Mine very minded. Yeah. So there was a lot of studio. This public. Psychotherapy, this display of no Nuss ZIM trying to deal with it and such. As times are changing. They keep telling me like, apparently, I think what happened over the last five years is without actually making a conscious decision because windy win, would you ever fill out a change of address for them? We all moved over to the internet. We started to consider it real life and and now that it is, we've clearly entered an age where actually this, you know what you're describing, which is the only thing that I ever thought I would be good for in this world transparency like open like like kind of. I'm never going to do anything that remarkable. Why don't I just tell you everything. I do kinda thing. That's actually it's. It's become like sort of like walking out of your house with a noose around your neck. And I'm not feeling sorry for myself. Like I'm what I'm lamenting is the end of that culture actually being encouraged to twenty five year olds. I can't imagine being twenty five right now and and having the urges that I had when I was twenty five to actually like. Like I was like, it was an ironic punk rock urge for me, twenty five to go. I want everyone to know everything about a. That was an ironic urge back then. Right. Became fashionable. Yeah. Now, now that's like hitting yourself in the face with a hammer. It's a cry for help. It's an, it's abuse -able. And you asked for it if you engage in that behaviour because it's. What are your feelings about this spangled jacket? Forgot your name. Jimmy. Right starts the day ends of the Jimmy. Jimmy, if you're gonna forget a name, forget the name. Jimmy. I I first name Jimmy last name. Freedom. Oh shit. Yes. Who the fuck you think Yar Jimmy freedom freedom, and literally you would turn around and be like, I am God damn Jimmy pretty. What's your? What's your take? Jimmy on the what I said. This is an interview. Oh, you don't have to have one. Sorry, I thought I interrupted Spencer. This. No, you can't do that. You can't read program the show, the lead, I dunno, let's see where he's going fine. All right, I'll give this, but it's might rating start dipping. I mean, you probably have a very active Instagram. Yes. Then you are totally qualified answer this question. What do you think? Honestly, I voted in the two thousand sixteen election in California and. Helped legalize weed in California and we thank you for that. Right. And so I've been back for three days, so I'm high as fuck. Right. Oh. It's all right. Do you think there's going to be like a new about the question is, is there going to be like a new internet though? Like what John was saying? Is that like it used to be the internet was a secret place where you go to hide from like the world and complain about the world. So now the internet is the world. So is there any place where it's like the internet was where we treat from there to where it's like now safe to complain about, like I guess that's the real world, right? We retreat to the real world to complain about what's happening online. Well, that's sad or good. It's definitely substrate. It's it's like when people talk to you about. I'm on stage. It's cool. I don't know. It's like when people that you know on Twitter, talk to you in real life about things that they read about on Twitter and the like, take you through the tweet if you haven't seen it, that's like that's strange, sort of doubling that's better than people forcing you to watch YouTube videos just because it's takes less time. Well, yeah, I think people are also going back to traditional methods of communication that lake. Like letters for like you'll be like letters and words. Yeah. He means scouts. Yeah, it's hard to say like eight one objective thing. You can say it, we're getting, we're, we're looking at the internet going, oh, we all live in this cloud where nothing is real and then but then the idea that it's not real is alternatively weaponized and then but then idealized and. Of a I get really alarmed about the idea of sliding into convicted cynicism. Because the bad guys like that, they love the idea that if you get in a fight with a psycho. Five minutes into a fight with a psycho. All you really know is that you don't even know what the fuck is going at. It's like their specialty. It's like the win win. It's like it favors a person just wants to damage and it did it. Disadvantages, actual, Ernest communication because like that. That's the thing that I really really panic about is that point where we all go? Well, nothing's real. Nothing's real at all. Like what did you see that on a screen? Well, that means that means it either is or isn't real. I would love to live in a world where it was like, did you see that on a screen? That means it isn't real period, but I don't think that we could ever come into that. Like we, we will we, I mean, we know that my favorite Martian isn't real, but we, he's our favorite Martian. Assuming we're all seventy. I just mean that like the entire TV industry is based on the fact that when we see something on a screen, we tend to love it. We, we, we know the share isn't performing for us. She's an concert and Scotland, but we're like, wow, what a great good job she did in my living room like we. We were transfixed by the screen even though we know it's not real. So the internet is now saying like, oh, we're going to put thoughts in your head that say, mankind is evil. Mankind is good. At least universal truths are now up for sale. And I. I got to drown late in the podcasts. This point where I become my own guests. Surprise Ganz. So it's like as usual, the trope with this podcast is the question. It turns into a story. With the narrative. You figure out what the actual question was, which is just a story ended up at self. I don't know. I mean what? What you said for sure. Frenchie. Polic- Stacey. It was two letters, John Schaar. Say my sleep. I'm fucking Cosmo. Shara little. Yes, daddy. Would you, let's let's let's let's my question to you is what can we bring up one more person. Let's bring up. Let's bring up Nova if they're willing to come up just because we haven't checked in. Dover sel. Who's that? Sorry to the sky. Am too old to the. Old. Paul. So the question on everyone's lips is, what are you do with the backpack? Man? I took it with me the other day, how what's it doing for you? I don't know what to put in it, but I, I Finally, I actually had a use for just like a small bag, put a little charger in my wallet and stuff. I have. You tried small things. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I didn't need to be up so it was fun. Right? It's not interesting. So the listeners may not know, but no vote got a bag from the show weeks ago. Yes, it was like a month and. Okay. Now Astra member that I was a tiny pack, tiny baby backpack. That was your door price. Have you ever met a Frenchman. Yes, but it's great to meet another. It's not that easy. It's red meat. We're not that special. Just the excellent. Just listen to it all day. A Frenchman JC. We all there is nice of you to say. So. Frenchie. I, I don't know what I'm doing. Jimmy. See how juggling these balls. I got three guests up here. Fucking like a pro. I got everybody in the year Jimmy. What are your thoughts on retro video gaming? I mean, all all I had to add to that is one of my friends started playing Super Mario, like on his computer and then doing the twitch stream of it. But like it was hooked up to his computer in my experience, it was always hooked up to that clunky console to my grandma's TV in the attic. When the adults were getting drunk downstairs. You know and three for that. Yeah. All right, Sean shirl. Are you a modern gamer game? Are you playing modern video games? Do you like fall out four. All rose. PC's Dan read, did you see I? I'm not pointing at you like, hey, you should score a point for me. I, I think, Well, I, I mean, look, I I, I, I went by my character a male goule. I was like he did a whole. It's a cool, and you can't stop me now fucking everybody across the wasteland. Like taking people out like like, let's go shoot some things like keep checking in with them, how you feeling? Did you still not romance that one guy though. Preston Garvey I won't. I can't do it. You have to come into because you like to come, let them go. Are you saying this from a coding perspective or from from human nature perspective, you that? I have to let Preston into my heart. No, you have to ever love them all. Let them go back into the pixel pool. Well, they're gonna love other. Is. Yeah. I love them or let them go because the elephant in the wasteland with Preston Garvey is there is a button, then it clearly have not pushed because it's not. And it says, let's keep this professional and keep not pressing that as much as they keep pressing romance. I keep pressing the can string 'em along button because. No, didn't you say didn't you say it was like uncomfortable because he was always like, hey, I was thinking about committing suicide. Fuller seems wrong. It seems able does like I don't. I feel like I don't really actually think that the end of the game would be a freshwater restored to the Commonwealth. And then I'm like walking with my dog and and then there's a pause, and then you hear a distant gunshot. Now's good. That'd be really good. And then the games, every choice matters. You kept enabling him. He told you he wanted to kill himself in instead of talking to people, you told him good job. He said though, he said he didn't want to anymore, right? But he always says that. We keep saying that, but he also keeps bringing it up. So I, I need everybody. Whoever has that thought in during their head to tell anybody that they possibly feel comfortable telling it to me, absolutely unashamed of it. I do not want my relationships to start that way. I think that's dangerous. It's dangerous. Maybe dangerous to punitive. It's unhealthy. It's not the right time to hook. If you're if you're like, yeah, I just finished battling the cosmos, even sure I should be breathing or not. But anyways, what your birth stone like? No, you're not ready to to maybe if you say flirt, then maybe he'll be like, well, just been having these dark thoughts. So let's take it slow, and then you'll be like, okay, cool. You know who knows what the relationship would forever. No matter what is behavior would would be the relationship would be forever tainted by this idea that the coupling point was, was that which me which would imply to me logically that if we ever broke it off that he would be returning to the state that I met him in, which was suicidal. You're right before I met you, I was thinking committing suicide. Well, get over that. Yeah, and love every love yourself and all this stuff. And then let's let's both fuck around and make huge mistakes because neither of us are perfect on the goal of relationships as perfection. However, definitely if someone's life. Like coupling point is like the reason we should fuck right now is because I was about to kill myself that that I think those tines need to have a little scotch tape, best buy things put on them, works for me. Can't tell you, it's you Jimmy. I saw look in your eye like you, you're like I talk about this. Yeah. Well, it was just like you're talking about, listen, I say, now your doctor j. you just took away my chief move. Sorry, go ahead. I'm let you finish. No, no, no. I was. Did finish. I was not letting you finish was my. All the way. If you say that every relationship, it's not about perfection, but then you're also talking about. Like. The perfect it like the relationships path is predetermined. So you're like you're saying, well, I'm not going to go into it if if it's not perfect, you know, I didn't mean to apply that. I I, it's hard to it's hard to talk about. There's no shared the vocabulary with what I was saying is in the kind of like these sort of like all I can picture, like sort of space modular space station blocks and like they have like coupling points on them right like, so this thing's got a tab and this thing's got a slot or this thing's got a thing in like the way that we meet each other and the things that we say over coffee in the things that we say over the moments leading up to us, actually maybe physically consummating relationship. And then the all of these things like that. The flux that is welding us together. All I'm saying is. If as in the end of speed, did you ever see speed with Canada, Reeves, and Sandra Bullock? They make sure everyone knows throughout that movie. This relationship is not going to work. Why? Because it's based on speed. It's they nicest refreshing thing about that action movie. They at least they say, if there's a speed to one of us isn't coming back and they both know it during speed 'cause they're like, did you know? I think the way they say it is like relationships built during trauma are not going to last, what is this? Oh, now it's gone. I'm on stage. Smartwatch, Dan could pick up the. The fuckers too big shot. I guess. Okay. I'll try later. Like, let's say you go into liquor store together. And we go, let's let's get a lottery ticket. Shit, I only have fifty cents. What do you have? Only lottery tickets, one dollar. So we say, let's split a lottery ticket. We're going to we, we make the obvious choice, whatever we win. We'll split it right. So we barely know each other or we know each other five years. I don't know. Well, I should know 'cause I'm narrating this parable, we've known each other months, six months. You're, you're a botany intern. And I'm working on a new trying to Dan the lion? Yeah, I love. I love plants plan. We needed cigarettes. We both smoke. And so now we've end up going have a lottery ticket and we both put two quarters on the countertop takes. It gives us a scratch off, scratch. Holy shit, five million dollars jackpot. We scratched it off you and I say, oh my God, holy shit. We just won the lottery together. Here's the things that are reasonable to say. We're both going to get half of a lottery jackpot. This is a great day. We're doing awesome. Here's some things that are awful to say in that moment, let's get married. You're my best friend is harmless as that may seem if it's based on that moment, it's your building on this thing. That's not real that that's what I was saying about the suicide at -ality kind of thing. It's like she's Christ. I Jimmy godless too high for this. No, I'm falling checking. Good. Damn. Do you know each other? Oh. Now. Empathy. Yeah. You high? Oh, yeah. Oh, earlier me to me too. Oh. We should probably. Yeah, we should probably stop doing the show. No, we got. We got a little time. Dave would kill me. We have so many questions. Look at this United Nations. We have before us. Okay, we got friendships. We could. We could make Frenchie wrap it is. We got a lot of things we can do. Okay. That's good. Okay. Gene Charl here's what we're gonna. We're gonna do this if we do nothing else tonight. I'm gonna do a freestyle rap, and then you're going to you're going to do the translation, but no, no. Well, I mean, I like if he just actually just spoke French for the bridge. Like I just throw it to hit. He just kind of you could just say French stuff. We could say, serves Gainsbourg for the hook and he'll know how to do that shit. Serge Gainsbourg is Serge Gainsbourg. French. Slash. He's last one half a hall at outs of you have seen some serious about men. Okay. Oh mad men. There's the make an ad falls a Kofi Martensson. And the jingle for this ad industries is actually the Miltie of soda Gainsborough have cool of caffeine cook. Khuda caffeine. You for sure. Also not trivial is your entire country, but you could also just speak anything. You could just say. It's all the same. You could just recite the ingredients to meringue. It's over because I think as a as a solid, cystic American, I just think it'd be neat to hear some French talk. In the gaps between me fucking dropping mad, science news, grass Kip is three foot that s double up on that. That. Double double ass. Mondays, double double, double double. You've got to. Double double double double ass day. Yeah. Yeah. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. Dirty all yeah. My name is truck Travis. Truck, you do. Sorry, what. Travis. Good, good. Trash truck. Travis, Chuck. What do you do now here. Trying to dry my load do the next scarce station and then like go over to the French bud. Oh. I wasn't prepared. Well, I'll call when I call for. I want you to seek the hook, really you out. Dan. I got Jimmy with the fuck you to to to hide. This. But what were you? I mean, there's confidence, and then there's just so see of path like. You were just like, here's like, hey, what do you? My name's LL cool. J. you're like, hey, cool, j. What are you do? What is it? Get over here? Come over here here. What am I doing? And you're like, go over there and then you're like, take it. I've been listening to Tim, any shrub. Okay. All right. Let's go. I liked it. I was expecting. I thought. I like that to try it was didn't know your riffing. Oh, let's rip the more riffing. All right. Give it to. Yo, oh shit, raff machine young, but my name is MC. David Johannesen. Danson. Underpants. Stance. Book in. The song. The the by. Apply hugh. That was like a sample from a movie. Your. Album. We found. Yeah, snakes snakes on the by. You pythons up in the branches Rohan down the river. Take chances Creedence Clearwater revival on the river in Louisiana about survival. There's a flood in my midst. Fucked your mama so hard. I changed your armpits. They used to be under. Now they're over. Armpits are shoulder pants. Understand everything is inside out where I go. Fuck your mama, like LEGO. Who. Bish it with. Will you put it. See. Fix. Just I'm so sorry, you had to hear that we had no idea. He would say any of that stuff. It's not the stance of Harvard town. Yeah, second, I I, yeah. Rivers, ryan. Optimus prime surprised. Yeah. Tip the cons. Joe biden. Jangle enchants. Brad. Clooney george. Gorge. Just women of wrestling. Grand Canyon, fucked. You Baba's so hard. She's still land in. Pussies up in the sky, a fucked her up. And then I said, why she said, because. Kiss valley that goes to those your knees something lot. The cute the best. Best happy. Yeah. Okay. That's a, that's a complete wrap. That's good. Thank you. John show. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. Hey, Spencer like sleeping. Oh, man. I can't tell you how much like sleeping. I mean, okay. I wish I could sleep all the time and people say, oh, isn't that what death is is pretty close craze. 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Trial sleep other mattress for hundred days and if you don't like it, you return. Yeah, you won't be returning it. But if you do you. Can if dollars toward select mattresses by visiting casper dot com, slash harm in town and using Harmon town at checkout terms and conditions apply. That's casper dot com. Slash harm in town and use the code in town at checkout casper casper. Delivering you breaking snooze. JC looks like my high school theater teacher. Canny wouldn't be surprised Spencer though him specifically with the shortness of the beard and the hair length. He looks like me. Sorry, I you guys keep talking to. I have to, but she Charles, what's the deal with the travel. So are you staying with friends? How are you going around? You have an RV what's going on? I'm using public relation or my own two feet like before used to. Outta tour of the building in a dumped on LA to try through echo park, and that was ten Mayes. Wow. Dan bad LA you can get from where we are right now to the beach. Are you going to head out to Santa Monica at all? I did. Oh, she'll don't be coy helped me. And so again, with my, she's textural musings went from Santa Monica to Venice, and then it was more to observe the likes location of California -cation and flaked. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I've is finished canals pretty. Yeah, they are. I have the love of like Crossman buildings. Oh, there's tons of crafts Silverlake. Exactly. To my shame. I think this interesting them's from the sitcom full house. Of course, of course Hung Fu house. Yeah. For the looks at home for the folks at home, what's come food house. I mean, we all know. Confused house is about these. You know what's you sense? Say perfected his own brand of of UC Kofu and finds himself with its son in his daughter without someone to care for for his job. So. Thus. Finds a new wife butts. She also has two and a son and of this. To, you know, merry both very different because what I didn't tell you, of course. So. Kung FU house. Okay. I'm just double check. It's. I just riffing of the. Oh, oh, yeah. Fuck. School. House and I heard kung FU. I knew he was making up kung FU house, but what I didn't realize that he was in our make make up cook outs. He was stripping down the chassis of full house and adding food fenders of China. China. My years. Game muster didn't very much improve my faculties to improve, improvise on the stuff feel the same way. Is true. All right. Well toy. What have we learned tonight? What a night. We got so much more. Let's bring the Australian to the sage. Oh, shit. What? Where are they? Where are they going to sit and what's their prior to ladder over here? Oh shit. Let's give them a hand. How's it going. John, Charles John, don't sweat. It meant. I'm doing joy Australian here you go Jordan. Oh shit. Just a sec. Dan. Do you like that hats? Feel so loaded. Tell me, tell me your feelings on their hands. I have no quarrel with it. Then his bid. What's going on you guys? Is there a soccer game? I don't know about. Gonna find out like. Your country's war you wouldn't. You wouldn't say you like that. May. It's a reference to our Austrailia tour God like that. Hat may give it a good Bill. Here we go. Okay. Sorry, look. Take two. Oh. Oh boy. Only oily. Oil look. Like look. Alike. I'm swamping out the phonemes, the there there. I is an oil and there is an a spell, and so on. So so say it again, the following phrase that I used a warm up for a show on stray strata. Oh. Louis Zik, hey. Mike. It's genuinely true Australian ex, the only problem is no Australian talks like that. Very curious lead back people like no foot on that much. Perfect. It's the same sound truth is I'm nailing the AC. Yeah, I agree. Any accent specialist would tell you he's nailing the accent. The problem is no one talks like that. Because. No know going through the physical conditions necessary to make you talk like how liberal nailing the exit. Oh. Oil oil. I'm gonna try different phrase. Old Loic oil-like. Oh, like a bag. I'm so sorry. I, we have people over all the time. He's normally super polite to them. He's doing this for an hour and a half. And I'm so sorry, let's I find out. Oh, look, look at bag and Freud God. Oh, right. God, I, we're going to find out who he is. Shake so that when he punches you lay. Look bag. Shit. Let's get tell us who you are and what brings you to harm towns. Jordan, and I'm here because I've been listening to us for us and crazy. I'm sitting on the state. Thanks guys. Like this, like me the my point grey gray hair. You're fine. He's so much come see, longtime. Are you like every stray Lian I've ever met? And I say this in the most complimentary sense, are you. And I'm not going to use the phrase back questions. Are you packing across the country? No, I'm actually using airplanes. Oh, yeah. Figured it out. Airplanes. What can I say? What are you will go ahead say because most choking thing I've noticed difference between strategy in America is the volume of water in your fucking toilet bowls. How much do you need a splash back? Man. I need all of that. I'm busy late. Come on how many toilet, how many American toilets have you met. Yeah. Yeah. Do more of that. We like that. No, I when we went to Australia, I was like, these are these. Let's. Like the toilets they're more vertical. So I think they get more speed drop it. To blast back through the, I don't know how they got his physics. It's crazy. I think you're right, it's it's it's because our our toilets have gravity working on their size of toilets or working against. 'cause they're on the bottom of the earth. We have to run away from whatever we live. So that turned is like having to be pulled up like like the core of the earth is sucking the turned up through a straw like like one of those Japanese drinks, but what's a Bobi Bobo Boba. But what Boba Boba. Yeah. Let's see. Bouba like a boob. That's why I'm very glad to be. It makes a lot of mess. Do you do in Australia? I work in a hospital. Just working on computers stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Can you get us things. Can get Utah all in a band. That's my clearance. That's what I what, what what, what do you do in here made him on? Just moved to New York. So coming to visit him. The. There maps are so. The thirty miles. Everything's like pinched Austrailia is this big on their maps? Broadway's let's it right. Just take such a Broadway. Practice? Yeah. How long has your friend is moving to New York because your friend Austrailia? Yeah, yeah. He's actually in the audience at the back Harrison. Shout out to Harris hate hate hair is sin. Show what does that a short one should be much. Give me one. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck earth. Fook. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. But what am I actually said? Oh, fuck. Oh, Lakos man like like, oh. Are you actually saying, fuck oath. Yes. Traditional Australian society, respect oath. Fuck owes suck. The British had had an oast of to Seoul sent there actually. They're actually. All I, hey, my book owes. Fuck good. We like those haunts. It's just it's because I learned. I tried to learn the the Australian exit is the hardest in the world. To everyone, but Austrailia, narrow. You can't just fake it. It's not. I mean, you could look, I'll do my. I'll do a flawless. British accent gimme gimme a borough have heard leads. Oh, what's all these? See? It's like perfect. Gimme gimme another borough of I heard Southampton. Oh. It's easy. It's common. It's the connection between English English and American English. It's like, oh, you just you just all you do is you just you just you just purse your mouth a little bit. You just you just keep things. Don't affront Australians hard, but I've mastered it. At the at the expense of having to think very hard about every syllable than I say, which is not how anyone talks. I don't know if it made that clear. To prove my point here is flawlessly executed seen called. A day at the hat store. Where I will play well, actually, Jordan, you will play the British hat store owner, and I were play. Australian, what neighborhood are you from in Australia from Brisbane, that's where my character is going to be from Brisbane. Notice it and say, Brisbane, you know why? 'cause on from Brisbane. We have a little. Oh shit. Yes, Sean Charles will come in on. Yes. All night. We'll to where you from. Are you. British, but we call it is destroys for simple. Oh, all all. We look like a hate. Might. We'll talk specifically talking about, oh. Toy. Of, hey. They crease Judy. A. Eight. He's. Toy, warn. My. Might mine might. Thank you. And the Frenchman can tell us what type of talk one is, of course. What. So the so the. So the other thing. Fritz will walk in soup. Felt. We, it's a fill, oh, loaf. Fail. Might might Frenchman comes into rob the hat story. Oh, do they. Sorry. So he again, give me you of a hat. This is that Paul's tints. Phillies did I. Absolutely. Within communion. Ango. Roy. Hey, a paid TQ lay Saint skews. Minute. So leave the, hey, leave the, hey. FIS their rice. Of may. My pay Tiki lacy skew. Will the two. Sorry, what. What we saw. Kim. Eats eighteen. Be careful, laughed, ROY. To all Keith, you owe block. Oh. Succo. They say they clap barely stop. Do do something else. That was that was that segment. All right. Well, what does show. It's. Who sits the show has the Monday night. No-one's the show ever has to go until. I did say that. No, you're right. Let's leave. There's so much more business first day care. All right. Give me a beat. Oh shit. If. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. One, two, three, four. Wrapping walls door sealing foundation, soil. Snake coil rattlesnake strike. Fangs yikes. Van in the veins. The poison runs through me now it's gone over supreme down on all of those. I love thought that I was lying, but now I take flights on the wings of peace baba so hard. She gave me a rhesus piece. Full trouble. Bubble. Australians old shrew Joyce. Young and free. The rest of. National ed's. It'll lead. Like they hate. Boy, like hate my. Hey, by. Me law might. Where boy, you can't. Seed to bait. Y'all. What's that. He said. Love you always say on also love you. The two of us did get too far. It was hard for us to talk veggie. Veggie. Bandaids. Bill, where's building Sanford? Where. Sorry. Too soon. Back to the future has. All right, stop. I mean, obviously snapped for you start a new song. That's obviously that's gotta be. A whatever your job title is one. Oh, one. Don't make that sound. You're feeling what I'm feeling you're looking for an out, you're looking for ending, you want drama intrigue. It's an improvised show. It doesn't. It's not going to have a sloppy ending. Yes, it is. See quickfire questions. Yes, Novo, I don't have any pick five questions. All right. Questions for Nova. Oh, Novo. Do you have any quick questions? No. Okay. Quick questions. Who's got him Dan? How do you feel about that? Next. Water land. Water or land what our land land for the win. Tough, but fair. I mean as far as preference, not a prediction of what will overcome a little bit of a what, two things, what new folk and thing you learned because the last time you were here, you had been all up in the hominids book and I'm sure you have moved onto something else. We could hear about the last thing. What are you doing before you before you leave this week? What's the thing you're going to do this week? That's the thing that's been stopping you or playing fallout in bed, and I can't talk about going out on my real life. That's important. That's that's part of what I'm hiding from is the fact that I've injured a phase of my career in my life where I'm not actually allowed to talk about the very most important things the most entertaining things or talk about the things that would be the most interesting for everybody here actually can't talk about them. I fun. I made a liar by dishonest society. That's that's what happens of you become worth money. People come to you and they say, become a liar. Here I come. Oh, welcome. Welcome into my home. It's the fucking worst. I'm somehow good survive. I'm sure that there's something outside of work that is on the back of your head. Yeah, that's a phrase on the back of your head. I can't can't talk. Let's let's let's talk about the. There's got to be a house project. There's gotta be thing out. I'm just playing Harvard quest. We tape whatever. And if you go to Harvard quests dot com. Good harm dot com. You can find where you can get tickets taping like mid-november, some shit. It's gotta be in Burbank. So yeah, we'd love to get some people in the audience that enjoy it. Yeah. Sorry to cut you off Dan. But I, the only thing I remembered. No, you didn't cut me now. How do you have a live audience? If it is an amazing. Oh, well. Very. Oh, do you have a live on. Riverine curve ICA. I can see one of the deacons snake. Toes you if you this church, you will need to bring you. Oh. Man, drunk priest like cable, like basic cable or free public access Christianity show that could be something and I'm pitching it. Next week you may Brandon. We're going to Netflix. Also they have so. So no back end you'll be debating in no back, get back in, but let's not talk about that. I got. Thank you so much to Nova for stopping by. Yes. To exit. They love to have your, I'm not picking on you. I, I'm going to say this to everyone who is on stage as we wind down here at Harvard town. One more time for Nova. What a star. You will be the next contestant up to leave the stage. Thank you. You look like a million fucking dollars. Police, say a huge. Thank you too. Jean Charles said, I j. Rapid Franch folks. You come to town. He'll take what he's taking. He's picking it up mental, go behind us, man. Up stage in our book. He was so so European about he lifted book. I'm going to go around and pick it up. Now he pulls out the gun. Excellent. I'm sorry. The entire European Union is also sliding fascist. But see how I mean, right. That phrase is taking on a new hopeful hopeful to you too. Don't you have like Hitler down their heads and, oh, all of us every every continent across the planet. Boy, what have we ever seen that happen right before, what. Either one. You so much. The Australian gut knows mckeever Chris four, Sarah hill, Fabrica Brandon Johnson, we Davis good night's. Thank you. The lovely time theater church. We love you could night. Gouda show.

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Introducing Special Teams

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"In sports legends are born every day that's special concoction of talent coaching and timing form special teams that stay with us forever but on teams are more special than others maybe they were the best of the best maybe they were unforgettable because they got so close but couldn't win at all or maybe they were just more fun than everyone else on the I don't remember from their greatest seasons but if you think this is going to be your cozy sweater lane in a hammock sipping lemonade podcast well aren't you in for a surprise it'll be things you're definitely expect read new podcast special teams will remember reminisce and spotlight these famous and infamous teams in sports history. Each episode will feature a different team and we'll also do a deep dive into what to hear some features and interviews. You might not be because your host are sort of well you'll see nineteen ninety-two that was when I stole the mailbox but I did was happening in popular culture at the time Oh and my name's Jason Smith I'm Mike Harmon in this weekly show Jason. I will discuss what team stand out what you remember. Maybe a Sunday morning so it

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DRY BAR COMEDY  The Worlds Largest Stand-Up Comedy Brand  with co-founder Jeff Harmon

Your Online Coffee Break

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DRY BAR COMEDY The Worlds Largest Stand-Up Comedy Brand with co-founder Jeff Harmon

"I'm from San Diego Nice. I don't know when the last time you were back there. But we have at our beaches. We have Su- NAMI evacuation route size there. Their signs that tell people which way to run in case. There's a soon Nami. All it is is a sign about this big. It's two you by two. It's blue and says evacuation route and it was just an Arrow points inland. That's it the entire fireside tax dollars going to work in San Diego. We'll go to your online coffee break where we discussed. bite-size topics that inspires inspires educates and entertains. Here's your host a software innovator award winning marketer and astronomy space boss shucks fields Hello thanks for joining me today for online coffee break today to welcome my special guest Jeff Harmon Jeff along with his brother. Neil our founders of dry. Try Bar comedy. The fastest growing comedy franchise in the world. And it's all clean. Comedy created in twenty seventeen drive. Our comedy has more than twenty twenty million views a week and growing fast every drive our show is created onstage at their Comedy Club in Provo Utah Hundreds of mainstream comedians. Have the performed so far and now Dr are comedy is about to hit the road on a USO tour. The same friend got attacks recently. She's so proud of it. She's like Eric. I just got new tattoo humming bird. Do Not Humming Birds Representative Brett. Bet You're gonNa tell me she's like they represent change inge. I was like interesting. Dozen usually represent change tattoos not a big symbol of change. I do feel like getting a tattoo as a little like having kids because it seems really cool when other people get them but then you get one and you're like shoot. Add this forever now. The Kyun ten years online coffee break. Jeff thank you so much for joining me really appreciate it good to be here. Thanks my pleasure. Now I tell you what I have always. It's been a huge fan of clean comedy. As a matter of fact growing up I always thought the best comedians are the ones that can make me laugh and keep it clean and I want to hear more about how you and your brother Neil came up with the idea for Dr are comedy contests more about that. So it kind of came out of we didn't we didn't come up with the initial idea. It was the director Isaac Colosseum. Ah Okay he's Thurgood director and he came in and he he was licensing another piece of content. Intend to us a show that he had directed and as he was leaving after we signed the agreements he was licensing and prevent angel. He said you guys. I'm a huge fan of stand up comedy and nobody has like a home for clean. Stand up and you you guys have this tipping thing where you can tip films at the end of the show. What if we did that for stand up comedians? And he's like and he was thinking he's told me that he was thinking like two shows he wanted to shoot two specials okay and we came back to him a week later and said Isaac. Let's do fifty dream big so that and so we dove into it. We got this. There was this bar bar that had just been shut down here in Provo and it was a was a dance club. A bar at stage really good sound system we got a great deal on on it and we decided to turn that into dry bar. That's kind of where the name originated. serve alcohol. So we'll call it dry barred. That kind added double entendre with whereas dry comedy article online at all these amazing facts about the human body the and one of them said that the average human being skin. Our skin is so sensitive. We can feel the weight of bees way. That's one ten thousand of announcing I'm below. I've got an entire day without realizing at another pair of my underwear in my pant leg so we got into this building we set it up in busted a bunch of money into that and then we did a whole season of like fifty seven. COMEDIANS COMEDIANS and in about the span of one semester of school really dumped it all in a very short period of time and we invested in ended up costing lean busted several million dollars into this project and immediately when we announced robot comedy we started getting a bunch of people calling us saying investors board members and different people. Saying what are you guys doing. I didn't invest to do clean standup. I remember the forums online. Just being like why are they doing with all these amateur stand up comics and yeah because of the beginning was like okay. If we streamline this costs other people film specials like cheap ones cost like forty fifty grand in the nice ones are like a hundred and fifteen fifteen. Were like if we just put this all in the same building and we streamline it we put up cameras we can get those costs way down and so what we do. Is We film today. Were in six specials a weekend okay to we have an audience of about twelve hundred dollars. We have three hundred people show up twice a night. Yeah twelve hundred people weekend. Wow and then we charge for the audiences to come and that was a big debate at the beginning. Do we let them come for free or do we charge a move realized if we charge you laugh better so it makes it helps pay for the show yes and our sold out all the time and It took a took a long time and we were just kind of panned. Pretty hard took US eighteen months and a lot of investment millions of dollars investment and we finally figured out a model the made money and sustain the show. I am happy to be here though. The trip didn't start out great. I thought they lost my luggage which is never a good feeling. That's a horrible feeling because to me the vacation the good time started the second. Get your bag right the second because you've already gone to a lot to even get to their destination. You've gone through traffic to get to the airport. The long lines lines and all that stuff. Then you sit on the plane with somebody that you don't want someone who's been farting entire flight. Had person that you know is them and then they know the moment that did you know that it's them kind of look at you like oh I hope you don't know that as me. Yeah I do know issue. Is it hard to get comedians to come you too. Oh Yeah Oh yeah at the beginning. It was like they're like pro. What trump's special in Provo and so in the beginning? I just said I would tell comedians. I'd be like look. I know you don't always do clean. But we need you just to come up with forty minutes of clean content and we're not going to tell you what clean is either. Here's the data. 'CAUSE 'CAUSE DR are comes out of Angel that Angel Does we skip content in Hard content for families. So like if you're teenagers WANNA watch game of thrones than and you can't stop them then you say okay. I'm going to you cut out all the the nude scenes in the rape scenes and things like that and they'll skip them all see. I love that and now that's also your creation and neal's MHM governable and so so we just said what we're GONNA do is we're GonNa take all the skip. Data from millions and millions of streams of skipping. Say here is what our audience skips. Based F words. They skipped innuendos. They skip these types of things and then if we hand that the comedian and say look. Here's what they get the more you get skipped the less you make the less you get skipped the more you make it. That's so smart because I'm a programmer heart and I just data tells you everything thing and I love the fact that you can monitor. Here's the audience. Here's where they're skipping and then to motivate them by saying you get paid more. The less they skip. I think that's ingenious a love. That's right so and so the Internet allows us to say we're not gonNA police you. We're GONNA put you in front of an audience that expects you to stay on brand right but you take your risks and we a happened comedians. GET UP ON STAGE and we've had a few ruined their whole show because they're a little stubborn and they try too hard to get their stuff in but most comedians as immediately as soon as they sense they win over the line and they'll even say like I could feel the audience shift back on me. Yeah pull back on me. And even even even if they're getting like thirty percent of the audience to laugh if they lose sixty percent than it kind of hurts their special and then they make less money long term so we do that in most of the Comedians comedians. That are on our stage. We're not normally clean. But everybody knows that if they're watching dry bar they can trust the brand so it doesn't matter what that comedian did outside side of dry bar they can trust them inside a dry bar and so our philosophy was we can make good great comedians. Clean a lot easier here then. We can make clean comedians funny. I've always been a little bit of a late learner. it comes with the territory. Originally from South Carolina the desert yet. Thank you deserve mild response. Well South Carolina was is forty ninth in education. Yeah we might have upgraded the fiftieth by now check the stats mostly. Because I don't know how you're saying Like for example. I found very late in life like very late. That Alaska and Hawaii were not next to each other down here where they appear to be at the bottom of the map. Yeah nobody clarified the space and someone just sat them down there. That's that's where they lived. Merry Little Way. How does your audience? Because I love how your audience sort of I mean. They're sort of. I don't WanNA see policing it. But how's how does the audience I mean. Do they just know. Hey I'm coming to drive our. I'm expecting clean comedy so I mean by that nature. They're not gonNA laugh when it's not clean. Yeah yeah the the brand and then also we tell the The audience we say you get a rape the Comedians after they offstage nice end there's a certain percentage there's a large chunk that never ever get published and we're spending money we're just money bullying it you know and so the audience knows when I met a live show. It's a little riskier than everyday. I'm a circus all by myself. The airport a lot of times one of the things I like to do. This makes me laugh. It like what's wrong with me but I like it the airport. I like to hold a book up to my face. I love to read contrary to popular belief and I keep it up to my face and board like a dog and then I look around. I don't like I don't know where the noise came from. You should try. It's hilarious. Sometimes I may sound far away. Dog Lovers lady sitting across dod ought to keep a straight face. I was like is in my backpack about it actually heard that some comedians come you show they perform and they're so some of them are so prompted by the response. They got they leave and they decide to do clean comedy. That's performing a lot. That's actually happening a lot. Because what happens is they're they're you know they've been on Conan or they've done a few small like big appearances but they're not like they don't have big followings yet and then they come on our show and they get twenty million viewers and all those people suddenly show up that what year at their shows because they go in they find him in there trying to figure out they show up and then they realize. Oh this isn't what I like because the person's not doing that comedians. He's not doing clean comedy and so they say well either. Either need to get in a lot of requested to drive our tour which we've for playing playing with the idea of a little bit. Yeah Yeah and then And then there's been a lot of them will say well. I'm just going to switch to clean because this is my biggest audience now and a lot of them have kids and stuff. I've had several COMEDIANS. Just say I I wanted to do this forever. I just couldn't get out of the niche. I was in now. I'm in to see what what a change that you guys are making. I think that's just wonderful. Wonderful inspiring on that and proof is in the pudding. I mean like you said Johnny million views is a week. I think somewhere where it more than that per month over. Five hundred million minutes watched per month. Wow I think a website it said something about two billion times says it's been viewed and how does it feel well. I mean it's really successful. That's incredibly that's great. I feel about that. It's really cool when you when you realize that you've set into motion system industry. It's a really exciting moment. Like I mean it's early still still is but the economics are there now l.. Dry Bars not going away and I think hopefully will. What I'm excited about is that when the day comes uh-huh that we have people who grew up on dry bar become comedians and they start out in the slot lot rather than opting to feel like they go? You know when when when when they start becoming homegrown than we know. We've really changed the industry. Oh well another part of that is is the technology part of it and I have to say I'm really impressed too because my wife and I will will say Alexa. Play drive our comedy. I'll watch youtube channel. I have the apple iphone now so there are so many ways that consumers can I guess consume the content. Can you tell us more about how people can access drive our comedy so we we have our APP which has no ads in. It's Shri and it just as tipping so when you finish a comedian if you like him you tip them money and that day tip a lot people to block walk when when it comedians amazing they like tipping them because they're supporting the comedian and then we also have a youtube channel. facebook channel the drive our comedy in between those. I think it's like six million something followers may now have a tick tock. We have instagram Alexa. Google home we're on spotify. XM Radio Apple Music Google music by just pretty much like it's all over the place. We filmed several hundred specials. And we're our six six a weekend so there's no excuse not to be watching and listening to drive our comedy. It's it's also yeah. Yeah and and the the thing is is what we're doing is our systems especially the APP goes through and figures out. What the funniest office really? Yeah so we can figure that out and then we can. We've made a few COMEDIANS. Like if you look Jeff Allen Alan facebook he shouted out to dry by the other day and said that he sold out he did a show last year and he sold one hundred seven shows last year on tour because because of driver so at least in part it was already amazing. They said it was his best year ever. Oh He's he's incredibly actually interviewed him Just a couple of months ago for for a program in mature clip here of Jeff Allen. I had the pleasure of growing up in America before the lawyers took it over and ruined and honest. Yeah in my day. The kid fell off the monkey bars and chipped the bone in his arm. I was tragic but it was funny to the rest of us. It certainly wasn't reasons to take the monkey bars off the playgrounds. We all did dumb things. That's how you learn not to do dumping CS Lewis said suffering was. God's make a phone that's right you do dumb things it hurts. You learn not to do it. But we're almost painted versus we. I'll give you an example when I was twelve. Someone told me the ball jar canning jar find some dry ice pulling in the jar put the winner. So what's going to happen. They said it's going to blow up and I said cool. Where do I get dry ice? And they said the ice cream man so one day I heard the ice cream man coming down my street. I run out with one of my mother's jars and I asked you only dry ice what you're gonNa do with a similar privileges jar or put the lid on it and it's GonNa explode ice cream and says oh so. Here's your dry ice. That's the America. I the thing that I like. You guys are so successful now. You're getting ready to do. A tour can attest a little bit more about that. So the concept here is is just comedians. Have come to us and said Hey guys I did a show. Now there's tons of people showing up and they're disappointed. A chunk of them are disappointed because the dry bar and I'm doing blue content content and they're like so I need dry bar comedy tour. Where people can they know they go to a show that brandon dry bar? I will be doing that type of comedy rather than my other types of comedy. And so we're we're working on that the One of the the WHO I believe is the heart of dry bar is keith stubbs off. You know that name a piece. Doug says he's he's the one in castle the COMEDIANS. Okay well and he he he working together to figure out the tour stuff right now so also but I guess they can check your website drive our company income to keep track of the tour dates antastic edition of the tour and your incredible growth. Is there anything else going on with with dry bar or your future ventures well There will be more content community that more types of comedy. We'll be we'll be coming and I think I think one thing that's really important for people to to realize is like good ideas sometimes take time. Yes you know heads. It's been several years in the making. Now it's a it's a it's a big juggernaut system but it takes. It took a lot of time and a lot of lot. aww enduring people saying you guys are crazy. I'm glad you didn't listen to them and persevered because we were so impressed with your success and we just WanNa continued success and a and Jeff I want thank you for taking time out of your schedule. Me They really do appreciate it. K- thanks chuck online coffee break while a really Joe McConnell system with Jeff today hope he did too and I'm loving drive our comedy really encourage you to check it out. If you like to learn more just go to their website at drive our comedy Dot Com as Jeff mentioned. They're also available on Youtube and facebook and also APP for your phone phones. It is fantastic. Highly encourage you to watch today and we WANNA thank Jeff for joining me today. I want to thank you for joining me today as well if you liked the show today. We'd love it if you give us a thumbs up if you're watching youtube or if you're listening we'd love it if you give us a five star rating on your favorite podcast application either way. Thank you so much for taking time. I'm joy stay. We'll see you next time God bless.

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Neal Harmon: Hear no evil. See no evil.

By His Grace

14:22 min | Last month

Neal Harmon: Hear no evil. See no evil.

"Hey friends. Welcome to another episode of the by His grace podcast I am your host. Misty Philip. In today I am here to talk to you about the battle for your family's hearts and minds y'all. This is a really real struggle today and what can we as parents do with the increased screen time that our kids have today how do we guard and protect our children's hearts? Today. I'm going to talk to Neil Harmon, the CEO of Angel and they have done something about this with video angel, you have the power to skip the unacceptable and movies and TV bid Angel provides a way to skip or mute things that you don't want to hear in both movies and TV shows. They have also provided family friendly entertainment from the popular chosen series to the dry bar comedy and much more. So today please welcome Neil Harmon CEO of. Video. Angel. Welcome to another episode of by His grace today I have with me Neil Harmon who is the CEO of bid angel a Neil Welcome to the by His grace podcast. Thank you for having me on misty it's good to hear. So would you tell the listeners about then angel? So vigil helps you make entertainment good for your own home. And we do this in two ways. One is that you can connect your net flicks and your Amazon prime account and other streaming accounts to vote angel, and then you can skip over things that you find objectionable in the content. So. For example, you could watch stranger things on net flicks without. The language or some people even. Love Jack Ryan without some of the was without the nudity or. Some of the Gore. But they like the history. So it allows you to customize what you watch very easily. The second thing that we do is we take all the skipped choices of the families that use our service and we share them with craters with people who make content like. The comedians who have performed on drive are comedy. And they take this information and then they tailor their performances or their Taylor what they make to the audience and and we make better content that way so. We hope you make entertainment good for your own home. Yeah. That's excellent. Because I know there's a lot of shows that I have friends. That watch that I would never watch because of the nudity or the violence or the whatever, and so that is great because as a as a parent in when my boys were young, we watched a lot of food TV back in the day because food TV at that point in time was very safe thing to do. We didn't have a lot of options out there you know and so at least with the cooking channel even commercials were pretty. Okay, but that's not the case anymore even the food TV is not the food network's not safe because of some of the things that that they put in the commercials and you know as a parent that something that we really need to be able to control what our kids see and So tell me a little bit more like how how long have you been doing this and Tell me a little bit more about the services. We've started in two thousand, thirteen. Okay. Four brothers. We all had young children and we love good stories and we wanted to be able to customize these stories. And We also I just lost my train of thought I'm sorry. Yeah. The first part of your question was, when did we start and I don't remember the second part? So. So you started there's four of us. Do you work with your brothers? Yes. That's that's really cool. That's really awesome. So you have a family based business that helps families to make good entertainment choices right Yeah that's that's great and right now as we were recording, this were in the still in the middle of the covid pandemic and tell the listeners what you've been doing for people because I think this is really cool. So. We came home as a company. We had everyone go and work from home we have that luxury. early in March when things were happening and we quickly learned that it was not going to be a fun experience because of all of our kids were complaining about not seeing friends and such, and so we decided to make the service available for free. To anyone who agreed to practice social distancing and give bigger. Hugs when this is all over. And and it's been a huge success. People have been thanking us for doing that and we hope it helps a little bit with all this hysteria and all this all the problems that have been associated with this pandemic. Yeah one of the shows that you have on there is chosen. So can you tell me a little bit more about that? You Bet the chosen. Is. Christ through the eyes of those he touched. So it goes into the back stories. Behind the the actual words in the scriptures. To replace the testament, but it's meant to to to tell stories in a way that we would. Find them approachable today. So what what would what would have peters life been like before he met Jesus what would Mary Magdalene Life be like what would nicodemus his life be like and the directors does such a fantastic job of telling these stories in a way that we can relate to them, and then once it comes to the moment when it's quoting from scripture, it's it's it's faithful to scripture and This show has blown up it's available in dozens of languages. It's all over the world it's getting tens of millions of us. It's won awards and It's it's being. It's one of the top highest rated TV shows in history on IMDB now that is amazing. Congratulations. That's wonderful. Thank you. Yeah and the tell me about the dry bar comedy because I was thinking when we initially talked I was thinking of a hairdryer, a blow dry bar, but it is a dry meaning like a non alcoholic comic bar is that what it is I'm. Way. Onwards it's Like yeah, comedy can be dry and then dries also associated without without alcohol. So it's just a play on words, but it's literally filmed in a bar and a former bar that no longer serves alcohol, and so it's just a fun way to say this is safe comedy and and. So what we do is we get the Comedians we've filmed over three hundred comedians now and they come and they're giving ground rules where they say okay. I perform into this audience whatever I choose. And if the audience rates me high enough I get published online. And if I get published online than. The audience can skip things that they find objectionable. But if I get skipped less than I get bigger bonuses and so the Comedians Bend, over backwards to provide a family friendly routine. And It's been an explosive comedy comedy brand and we get over a billion views a year now on Dr are comedy. Wow that's amazing. So tell me some of the people that you some of the comedians that are on that. Well. Tell you. It's been the top ones yeah oh top. Boy. You're gonNA catch me on the spot. J. F. Allen. defiantly. Josh blue was a hit does Olsen Cossacks Jeff Fallon Oh, yet so yummy. It's Leeann. Morgan that see drew Barth Dennis. Regan Shane Smith was huge. Steve Solberg. Brad Upton went got like one hundred million views. Oh my goodness that one hundred million views. Yeah. Yep. Wow that's amazing. Yep. Kevin Bozeman Josh Blue Fred. Anyway, Joss need jobs need is so funny I laughed until I cried. So anyway, there's an a few samples that's great. Well, I'm going to have to go get that in check that out because we have a special needs son and he loves comedy, he just loves like he'll watch Brian Regan or Jim Gaffe again and he'll just laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh, and so I'd love to go pull some of these up for him and let him check that out so he'll love that probably enjoy josh need. A good job of A. Because he He have Spina Bifida or something like that, and he does a really great job of of making fun. But at the same time in a way that's not. Cutting people down. Yeah. That's good. That's good. Well, if you could. Leave the audience with with one impactful statement about our culture and. An video and what you're doing, what would that be? So I would say that I would say that that you are the change in this world and even if you feel. Small. Or like you don't have any impact you do. and. When people get involved in their media, they can actually have an impact on the media when people right the CEO of of media companies and and express concerns. Those messages make it to them. And and so be that change that you want in this world alone that that. So this is a question that I ask all of my guests and it's not that hard. But is there a scripture reference that you just really cling to or something that was beneficial in the formation of the company or a personal life I always like to ask everybody do you have that one verse that is Really Been Life Changing for you? So I this is interesting because this reveals the. The side of me that is artistic I should say. And here I am I I- coated the first version of Angel and. So I'm more of a of an engineering. Engineering. Background when it comes to being an entrepreneur but one of my favorite scriptures area from the Old Testament Isaiah chapter twelve. the entire chapter because that that chapter It just. If it feels my I like when I read it even though I don't completely understand everything Isaiah says when I read it, I just feel joyful and I feel excited for the return of Christ. and. And I'll just read the first couple of verses and in that day thou shalt say. Oh Lord I will praise the thou was angry with me. Nine anger is turned away and comforters me behold God is my salvation. I will trust and not be afraid. For the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song and he's also become my salvation. Therefore with joy, shall you draw water out of wells of salvation and it goes on and I love that whole entire chapter it's like seven verses it's very short, but it's like a song. Well, that was absolutely beautiful in such a good word for where we are today and what we're going through. So I'm going to find that chapter and I'm GonNa stick it in the show notes so that everybody can read it. 'cause that was a good word. So thank you so much for coming on today and sharing about Angel and the work that you're doing for the kingdom and changing families lives, and if people are interested in. Signing up, where do they go just go to search for angel on your Google phone or your apple phone and just download the APP or you can go to angel. Dot Com and be watching the minutes. Awesome. So one more quick question. So is it a available both like on its on different platforms? Right because didn't I see it's like on Apple TV and Roku, and like you can get it. In a bunch of different places, can you also streaming on your on your computer or so the best way to do it? Yeah. You can stream it on your computer. You can do it on on on the browser. The best way to do it is just download the APP on your phone and use it like a remote to hey. So download on your iphone or your android phone, then you set whatever. You want on the program and you Click Watch, but you can just send it to your. There's a cast feature and you just send it to your Roku or he send it to your apple TV or to your Samsung Smart TV or to your Amazon fire TV or chrome cast or whatever device you want to send it to. Yeah. Very cool. Well, thank you so much and thank you for the work that you're doing. It was a pleasure to have you on the show today pleasures mind. Thank you for everything you do. Thank you for joining me today on by His grace I hope you've enjoyed listening in are encouraged by our guest today I would love for you to visit my blog misty Philip Dot com for more encouragement. You can find the on social media as Misty Philip and I would love to connect with you there.

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The Tongue Can't Taste Itself, with Dan Harmon

Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio

1:34:32 hr | 1 year ago

The Tongue Can't Taste Itself, with Dan Harmon

"Iheartradio brings you some of the biggest podcasts of all time like stuff you should know and stuff you missed in history class plus the hottest podcast of the last year like the Ron Burgundy podcast asked disgrace land and monster the Zodiac killer not only does I heart radio produced some of the most popular podcast in the world but now the free iheartradio APP is the fastest the stuff they don't want you to know a production of iheartradio's how stuff works disclaimer at the top of today's very special episode first things first this does contain cursing if you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know this is a this is a very profound strange episode for us are not diving into our exploration on our on our treble lonesome we are joined by a very special guest hello everyone and thank you for tuning in we have a quick intro sled him out so venture forth listen and enjoy hello welcome back to the show my name is man is all they call me Ben we are joined as he's in spirit with our super producer Paul Mission Control Deck and however we have a very special super producer today and that is our good POW our third governess headquarters we are recording in our La studio more of a penthouse ask studio here lofty I mean there's a window you did us a tremendous solid so thank you and now you're a part of the team though these many years later and most importantly you are you you are here and we are people who tend to sit in a very bunker esque recording studio but now we are not in our typical cat everything it's a very frank discussion very fun discussion I think you guys will really enjoy if you WANNA take that ride with us I couldn't be more excited for you to hear me say the s word on don't realize this the first year of our show almost was no brown as our producer I didn't even have a voice until you gave me like a corner at the end of the episode few listen to our show and you do for one reason or another have a problem with explicit language then this might not be your Bagga- badgers yeah but when you have you know further out of our field of vision you can see the scientology building one of many yeah Los Angeles they just want us to know but today we are not we in this episode stupid yes no just joking I didn't mean to assure you we were just all having a really interesting discussion and things other we are joined today with the masterminds behind community the mastermind behind rick and Morty the Creator and host Tom. UFO's psychic powers government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or who some of your fellow listeners fellow listeners may recognize the let's see where should we start We did a show the well I am I I am shriveled and I am beside myself you can almost amoeba records from here well you can't see the the the Broadway Hollywood and if you look just a little then Matt you had a child you and your lovely wife and were away for a while and then Ben inviting media kind of sit in for you and then you never fired me you didn't even ask permission eight of Genius Dan Harmon Rick and Morty and community fame in your presence you don't tell the guy to self censor and it got to the point where it wasn't like we wanted to go through an excise out east of Harmon town the podcast yeah that's right you heard it correctly we're joined with Mr Dan Harmon Dan thanks for coming on the show thank you so much for having me unharmed town and I believe that we're all on the same page when we wrap the show we ended up hanging out for like an hour it's surreal for sure I mean well imagine the story from my perspective here been like Nick to virtualization is important this is we want everybody listening to know that we're we're approaching not just one what you may hear a lot of references in the course of today's episode to our previous previous show because we just did it last night and Qatar rider died Mr Noel Browne anything just set up the mics and you know hit record and made the pro tools session and made sure everything was okay I'll take maybe some people cannot be discussed or cannot be explored and we we when we learned that we were all on we were in the some of the things that are commonly called conspiracy theories or maybe even fringe beliefs you know and let's see whether there are he's that stand out to you as particularly for one reason or another compelling because sometimes we say that we can't let go hortus with subscription it it was live that night and they can download it anytime I just don't remember if we have episodes in the can if this episodes coming out before I think the story but sometimes a story won't let go of us and that kind of thing and in some earlier interviews that you've conducted you've you've noted save those words and also to see his face exhibit no tension when he got a derailed between or to continue talking about the stuff domestication of dogs yes came up the world's biggest conspiracy right and and episode should be live by Thursday right I think it'll be live and free on Thursday and if you're one of the Kool aid drinkers that helps things like JFK right which we talked about previously in a little bit and we didn't really get a definitive answer when solve the case now yes because we have enough documented case study just in the from going through the seventies of you know avidly enjoy applying critical thinking concepts that are often treated as for lack of a better word a third rail of sorts things that me to your listeners but because it's just like such a sellout not necessarily I liked the term extracurricular shenanigans right we can very easily change some behaviors but do do you believe that brainwashing of some sort would be possible yes eh one of the things that's one of the things that's odd regardless of how the actual assassination occurred is the death of Oswald right that I agree that there was some extracurricular shenanigans going on for sure which would have been an easy thing to assume about everybody in like like I don't know it was actually surprised to find that that despite the differences between the three of you on that topic that actually all three of you interested in this kind of thought process is fair to say that the three of US freaked out a little bit or the minor ah before we had the Internet and you know but after we had television what we saw was a lot of like the most heavily surveilled protected individuals in the country right is is is assassinated this range for the gun we're we're just that itself is of course not a smoking gun poor choice of words there but it is it is strange that at that time probably one fear I I obviously a lot of panic about it that exaggerated it but we did see evidence in public life so let's a part of the story wants to provide the background on we we found out that we that we collect pitching ideas right brainwashing is it possible could we create could we somehow influence someone's brain an central topic today we may find some other stuff along the way we might find one big thing one big a truth dilemma conspiracy or belief I don't think I can you take an individual tie them to a chair and over there absolute protests that would be out in the wild so you can go check it out immediately pause and then come back because part of this is going to be kind of almost a continuation of that and a lot of ways while ago but I said like this new generation I sort of because I've come around in my old age I think Oswald acting alone Oh yeah really which may or may not be blast to do a set of actions that would not normally do I mean we know we can alter people's belief was pretty advertising these these these big stories of people being able to have a massive amount of influence over the over the thought process of people I mean ace while you're hanging out with us doing this just Jack them straight into your brain in any way that you possibly can we're on the way to that and I don't know what the publishing schedules they think the harm in town and and then you absolutely can you know train somebody for lack of a better word to be a certain way but you guys have asked the questions can you erase memory through the television content that exists or the news that comes out or the the prevailing feelings within a society to get you know lip them from one kind of human being to another that might be a different question but we all know you can definitely change a person's value system you can change a person you can you can you can turn Patty hearst from a from an heiress into a bank robber we know that you can do that probably simply through got it and then we said well let's let's pick the brain let's pick Dan Harmon's brain about some act them to experiences that will make them go back to America make love to their wife and on the whole time like secretly and triggered by some phrase like re like he's he's a good guy and you are you the kind of like Oh man we're we're all about ritual right but and just out there if you are listening to this show and you do not listen to Harmon town or harming questors some of these other shows like do yourself a favor and put them into your phone or whatever remember that they just want to kill Gandhi and like you know not no why Sirhan Sirhan Ryan but without being necessarily a member of military sir programmed a group or a generation of certain people who feel a certain way to act on on some of those feelings does it sound too it's the Manchurian candidate thing that's a big question can you take a patriot from from behind enemy lines put them in a in a in a windowless room and at the way we've kind of spliced off all of these different negative very negatively focused thoughts I don't know it definitely regurgitating this information back and forth and it serving agenda and certain people that feel a certain way can be triggered by and triggered to act because it is kind of her to have complete control over the target and that includes everything from like sleep patterns to win you eat when you eat like what how you conduct your day to day life and it becomes this pattern to see what we see these days which the mass shooters that exist everywhere do you think there's anything do you think it's possible at all that our society has he's Brits so Patty hearst as an example like I don I doubt she forgot that she was an heiress using the word to mean regardless of what your beliefs are the amplification of them and the nudging and Associate Pathak Direction denying her a certain amount of food and water and saying a certain amount of things I mean that that's that's that's an easy baseline don't that's the thing about brainwashing mean the brainwashed needed an environment where politics aside we've pre we've teed up individual humans for for lack of a better word radicalization and if that word makes people cringe because they're tired of hearing it directed against their political end of the spectrum I I I stressed that I don't I I really am just about them that that results in what we would have called in our youth like a typical teenage phase for instance where we were nihilistic suicidal ooh that might have been fuel for the fire for her they were probably telling her no you can't take a shower you can't P in this bucket you can't until you understand that the correct okay so what if you could do that over time and you you can program let's say an entire population hateful and kind of insidious and ultimately is a dog whistle way of telling people to like do one thing to feel to feel a certain way and I guess what I'm saying is there houses are being exploited by the Yuba to us and that what she was able to do was transform her like consciousness and go yeah you know what you guys are kind of giving me a square deal agers they they're they're they're in a few state they are they're their neural maps are like developing and you can do television shows that make young people feel better hopefully in thirty six year olds the areas on the Internet where you can go to have all of those things then repeated back to you again and again and again in it I am genuinely a little nervous about there alone sightings against them and then to act out in these ways right so he says he thinks this is a really important vision of that and it's like a cautionary tale but then there are people that say this movie that will zoo or even at a neighborhood party but on the Internet is a guy who's like hey I love selling this the propaganda like in my gift shop and like I also have my own political agenda and this kind of thing we see across the political spectrum is older dudes like capitalizing on the fact that t real interesting sculpting with a young brain if you it's it I I have benefited from that you know like I make where it's like a guy that would be rousted for spending that much one on one time with a fifteen year old in a park or I had these terrible things happen to me etc and your show was there and I leaned on it and I just think to myself you know how fortunate for them in me that wife and lake encountering less than Benevolent forces a you gotta take pity on the on the youngest generation now because it's like and more most importantly of all about the radicalization word is a giving a thirty five year old man access to me at that phase even then my rich family but did she forget who she was no lie I I I don't mean to say no I don't know but that's a different thing in creating media to like be benevolence I would I would be in the firm column of God I mean if we're if we if that's the direction we have to go up and I was not plugged into a machine at that time that had this much power to amplify what I was thinking reward me for what I was thinking and positive direction or take it in a scary direction and like push them to do that I think it's a really interesting question you know like media is their responsibility like in whether whoever's fault it may be if you give us a box that can like give us other well yeah I I but I've been doing it long enough that I have twenty five year olds that come to me and say when I was fifteen I I was I I was I wasn't sure what I was going to do well we were misogynistic probably if I had maybe I should speak for myself but you go through these phases where you're like it's everyone's fault but mine that I'm feeling like not part of this world but this button says I'm already a good person that makes me feel like a better person box I mean that's that's a big to do about how he thought it was dangerous not to see it because it's literally the guy you're talking about like the way media like infect somebody and caused them to kind of feel like he's brains that are designed to do very basic things and they're all they're all they all go back to these very basic drives and it sounds cliche to say it but make more of us that's an it's terrible to say it that way because it is so true across any large scale human example voices able to reach more than thousand people has a responsibility over over their ears and their brains like it just sort of like that's true really do I just feel so everything starts feels so futile I if if once you go across the threshold of well everybody slow but I would argue slightly speeding up pace of evolution or natural selection we have these we have do the very thing that he's saying it's trying to commentary on and like incite those fifteen year olds that are maybe at that transitional period where they could take zurve individuals that's for sure and now we see that we have a greater amount of of tools and we also have this ah we also have in general this plummeting boundary of privacy I think then what are we doing as a society I am biased about that because I make my money saying whatever I want I just happen to have been nine goals but which I know sounds a bit hyperbolic but it's not inborn in this species to preserve other species it's not inborn too about our species is that we're not that into reading or not that under research we're not that into remapping our brains we actually have at this stage we're finding out about ourselves that you know our only real value to our species as far as our species with everything else taken out of our only real value isn't as individuals is nice that all the Internet is doing is like it's like an early stage telepathy box that is only exchanging the most base thoughts and what we're finding out thickly but when it becomes true in a in a real way at seems like we're gone as a species at the same time it's like so important direct ah I'm I'm as benign as a low low wall that they can just they could just lean but how many of us remember being it does week stages the things that we have created you know Filo Farnsworth invents the television when he's fourteen years old and he's like plowing is he's got a for coming to my tedtalk but the point here the point here is that we are fundamentally ill equipped at this juncture to work with now is is very short lived right we have we think of Victorian era or we think of pilgrims and how they seemed high minded and moral look at a world in which people grew up with youtube and you could start a youtube channel eight years old and you have no idea how you're going to feel about that when you're sixty two oh without putting any of us on the spot we're we here in this room and many of us listening are old enough to but entire families lived in one room and they heard their parents banging each other on a regular basis right which is which is true in its scandalous where we where our evolution as inorganic species as me bags speeds up to match the exponential curve this joker movie that everyone either like is indifferent to thinks is dangerous insidious or they think it's some kind of mirror of our society like Michael Moore Doc so I wanted to do some finance and then we created this thing we're not ready for the example we always use here is is seen in fantasia not the best life and he's like plowing stuff across this field and he goes what if we could send an image just line by line the way I'm plow in this field because God knows farming's he there's just there's just no there's that we've reached the society where there's no there's no guppy tank anymore so the growing APP for listening to your favorite podcasts over two hundred eighty thousand podcasts are easy to find and free to listen to on the APP or any time at iheartradio dot com lots like we kind of are gonNA tend to keep hitting the button that says make me feel good about who I am I don't I don't want yeah I want to be a better person of technological innovation I've always wondered the same thing we talked about that last night the idea of like you breed dogs to look a certain way but then certain behaviors kind of training commit through the jeans or whatever the EPA genetics and I feel like that's gotta be happening with with humans you know with all the technology that we have in various generations like you know where the sorcerer's apprentice Mickey found a new way to mop and he gets overwhelmed so are we are we reaching a point you know I and that's because they're the we have this evolving concept of of privacy and privacy's understand art and it's also it's it's a question of technological innovation right in one column oppose opposing our vary I'm wondering maybe it is accelerated look there are yeah I mean there is I my friend Ryan Krause who has his podcast will plug a cold case murder mystery endless like that's something you will call child services on in some parts of the world today but the the normal is changed I know I'm rambling a little just like when you say that it makes me think of just like the Way Fox News and Donald Trump or this like weird echo chamber kind of relations the skills that we may lose as a result of leaning on this technology so hard to our next generation lose to like on a on a long enough time the he he's very relentless in his position on that show no matter what murder he's discussing kind of always comes he's I call a mass burger detective on our show we that's how we met him I I use the term admiringly we all benefit largely from their existence because who else is going to be Stupid Slack Human Experiment Biologically prophets in the larger sense no no matter how much we suffer for the existence of sociopaths uh-huh a million people like possibly on all together same room if everyone's on twitter matter but the objective truth is this person who didn't didn't agree with our rules that it was a huge risk and not worth it at all to grab an act if a hundred million people are winning a million sociopaths are on twitter that that that that depending on how you look at it keeps in it's not going to evolve away from horrendous monstrous thoughts it's not going to evolve away from you expend a bunch of law enforcement energy trying to make sure that the system works no matter how disgusting people get it to take these hostages to drive their car over the speed limit like a it whatever the bounds that we create so that we can have a social conscience are basically debugging tools they are they will always be around we will never weed them out because the the the the larger smart enough to take a fire axe to their family for the Insurance Money tried to rob this bank and that from an evolutionary perspective we keep generating this variety of human brain and that are locked away in your head and that is a that takes a weird fucking turn the day the Internet happens because one hundred become back a sociopath comes around and either out of sheer stupidity and selfishness because they're not they're not they're not exclusively smart people they're just the only difference it's like okay yeah this is what we've been leading toward and it all comes down to what you believe almost religiously in that sense is so sometimes so she a passer hey maybe they're the they're tomorrow's activists they they changed the rules and whatever but typically it's more like the what the plan was for our species if there was a plan that is either our undoing or it it's the game on it I am the one in one hundred chance that your kid as a screw loose and one and a hundred in a village or in Nebraska in Filo Farnsworth time one hundred means you're always outnumbered hundred to one with your weird crazy Jeffrey Dahmer thoughts weekly at risk of ruining is you know not paraphrasing him accurately is that associated passer impossible of simply life itself God information well yeah I shouldn't say life itself because life I think is actually I of like give me something I don't care if it's a honeybee a giraffe or stupid chimps give what which animal is going to us and like take it to your family and and what happens is these paper either they get away with it which means the system was flawed and then the system changes just simply DNA that we're all suckers the there's an actual almost like quasi sentence to life itself gets an intermediary and that's that's fessing because this is something that is a this is something that Matt Knoll and I have talked about implicate now you know how to do that now land on a planet where replication can equal like with Primordial C can like it was all just been this dance I'd like do you believe that like our species is kind of like you believe in that selfish gene kind of thing where like there's a there's a weird sentence to board and I think I I think I'll I'll I'll kill my family and that way I'll have a better life as a person and like you there's different lenses or you can look at that person as a hero or a villain it really doesn't take information storage and retrieval to appoint raft to stop digging around with carbon based life I am information I am the only living thing that's originally brought to us matt got all these years ago Panspermia us a simulation thorough and that I think is really you can plug your them and us they just don't have that they're just they're just off the grid emotionally or like at the end they they tend to do these things that are like hey I'm lizzy out at various stages over the course of this show on and off the air for for years and it's something that you Eddie Elegy about silly shit you can and cannot do in in the moment but maybe this this larger grander scheme or that is locked in molecular transference and Banging Against that candy store window going like just invent hard drives you useless uh beyond that maybe simple thoughts right and that that quickly goes I would say into the that quickly leads us into walks monkeys like lately it's just like like it started as colliding molecules in the vacuum of space and there was like yes replicate replicate Ugh to I think therefore I am right there's the cart in there and there's the idea that there is a it's it's somewhat comforting unaware ice tea and that's where that's where that's what I think the big conspiracy is wow polices it is that we are patsies in the grandest scheme no it's I I can see the appeal the the concept that who there would be some sort of maybe not a huge superstring theory where it appears that the the very stuff that the universe is made out of maybe written in computer code concepts of like the idea of simulation theory or like the idea that that even super super symmetry yeah there's this Guy Robert Gates that says he found error correcting codes on in the lowest possible level you know past point zero zero zero whatever seconds after the Big Bang seen you can't reduce subatomic particles to anything that makes sense like we were it is a assimilation run on a quantum computer that's you know the size of the universe or or ten x whatever the universe is in this is just one biologically being able to simulate a universe plus our obsession with wanting to do it kind of equals in an almost mathematically right yeah go into that but this is only a really want to ask you about just because of some of the themes that you delve into a lot of your work particularly in Rick and morty but in other places what if you could simulate a universe kind of goes hand in hand with the distinct possibility like sort of the inevitability of us one day back you know in a field like astro physics but and it sounds silly but that concept that perhaps this entire thing is credibly flattering scenario where like Oh hey we wish like that would mean that the simulation was made it's just a a bunch of parallel universes that exist wrapped around each other in a giant onion or whatever the moebius strip moebius strip looks like when is played by Bill Hader for sure but the the idea then that what's interesting that's macro cosmic analog with simulation theory like do you know anything about this like I don't want to take a bath I mean I think as far as a layman can know it I mean just the idea I know like eons arguable way the distinct possibility that we could be in in a simulation 'cause how the hell would we know for us yeah even even sucker BTU's out of our body by Grassley solar powered robots but like the simulation theory has it that it's just sort of and that's that's sort of like a rudimentary version of simulation theory kind of I always thought it was appropriate that's a that's a fantastic comparison unflattering things about themselves or they have not they have not encountered something that Kinda yes ended them you know is to where they're they're these really heavy ideas and concepts about the nature of the universe about what possibly could exist whether or not because in the allegory of the cave when people leave the cave and go outside they hate it they think it's terrible because they have learned questions whereas the nature of consciousness to this to the software hardware idea are we sitting here as more or less we're all like chained up in a cave and we can't turn our heads and we can only see the wall where shadows are projected and the fire is behind us and the puppeteers are like making the shadows hedin thing right there is some sort of greater reality y are there certain boundaries why can why can't we after yeah I mean that commended by never gonNA solve four the universe as an actual physical things just like some philosophy when it makes me think of the Plato allegory of the cave thousands of years of I would say doing a B. Plus job of trying why can we not answer fundamental existential Oh and then from there the mind kind of just goes Berserk because you you say is that why you can't get yeah I know a little bit and we're looking through classes a telescopes I think the big the big question there is you know what I mean your personal experience may differ One thing I don't WanNa lose though is with this with this concept with this idea kind of I guess he kinda popularized it if that's the right ver I don't want to offend anybody we're going like I think he brought it he he got everybody started talking about it and why and who for whose benefit and what benefit would that be and I am I I like only work with what I currently we we can't prove because we're using the wrong tools like how do we how do we prove how do we prove the idea of reality early inevitably we will be able to simulate a universe right and we know that if we make it if we make it it's always that Asterik always that caveat like it's it's a little more bleak but also a little Hindu says like y- the fact that we're now thinking about the possibility of scan in a in a brute force way that's that's kind of the bleakest part of simulation theory to me is that when you start to think tentacle or something like if if that is true then does that mean going back to your original question at does that mean that there is never but what you can do is theorize about how the universe was created in means nothing you mean when you lost your virginity Panspermia the springsteen it was a great band and this this also like halls into my nas this system is this concept that that there is some sort of impossible no matter what no matter how smart you get no matter how much intelligence you accrue you can't can never go back you can this is at least this this one guy brilliant physicist but he he has discussed this onstage with with Neil degrasse Tyson somebody that we re optionally infinite simulations either one after the other that make us more comfortable but the reality is probably just and based on that theory you create a universe a simulated one and then everything that we're talking about right now all of our lives your more or less physical analog just hardware for some kind of software interacting in some sort of some sort of network no I don't know and then go okay so the reason I would simulate a universe I guess would be let's say time travel turns out to be absolutely point of assimilation is to drill down as something that otherwise takes too long through happenstance but to just the possibility of a multi verse you know like is the I is is it possible that somewhere in some other that there may be something greater that we may be simply as as you said well fingers on a hand link the suckers on it truly was a program of that sort it would the power it would be powerful enough to where you could just run oh well there's usually the point of a simulation the most useful is what you know you mentioned the search and you mentioned the the idea that people can we know events to a trillion taste buds so that it could try to taste itself unsuccessfully and that it finally like all those taste buds reunited into one it was a great time and I was there the password was fidelio noisy the answer may be that that that there's fun so I can do is try to hit the one the version of a universe a simulated universe that might prove my theory facet of what the thing whatever the thing may be is possible that the the everyone listening is doing something different polity of a universe when we have first off not not a good understanding of what about injury of universes we can't we can go back a certain amount we go forward it is there a universe to the left of ours is that it's just the next iteration the next you just run the sequences many times you want to imagine if if you think about it of how a universe could exist without being simulated and way before that ever happened that poor fucker when are we gonNA brains jars like just like Matrix territory like what that I think what we've come to think about I think brains jars and we've we haven't gotten past Tesla yet and we're already like so snobby about universes in reality one hundred years from now people are going to be like fanned out and that the point of all of the simulations is a let's call it a computer but what is it it's dared to the people that are actually going to start booting up genuine simulations of a universe within our simulation so we're already talking about it probably simulated to begin with so what do you think it got the idea I mean we're we're we're we're we're amish if we could convince humanity go guys we were chimpanzees we were tapped by by by the Odessa the the Hydra cosmic gun in my mouth which I may not be able to do as the other thing I might not be able to do is die because the gun is also me I'm of fucking like cosmic plans this thing has one goal for us which is to make ourselves obsolete like we are getting so close as of the pedder bite of possibility that there is no purpose to the simulation that you are simply a fleck of spaghetti being thrown at a wall that going to launch with all of my resources which are infinite A an infinite number of simulations because I all tape fucking thing we were talking about what we're doing those podcasts when we thought we were multiple people where did it come from and why am I here and then it's like okay that's it before I put the and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights he even slept in his hockey skates Pete practiced and practiced until one day when he was forty seven we could do it we could just stop let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three on big numb tongue that was like I know everything I'm not raises standing more I- There's no point to anything but what is the one thing I have left God damn it that there's nothing to see here so that it could make up a larger picture of like where there might be something to see however I would before we slash certificates are virginity our favorite Bruce springsteen song all of it is meaningless here all of it all of it I choose to drink Martinis in my tent and make jokes about the Korean War and I choose to make the Korean War last eleven years in syndication I choose to bend into all rules you fucked up trust chimpanzee you get what you pay for like we we we can talk we can podcast we can party east and saved a bunch all worked out we could just go this compulsion pick like putting ourselves out of a job can we please realize that if we go by chimpanzee standards we have nailed it were richie rich and if we pete realized he just wasn't that good so he threw his skates in the trash but then he heard how GEICO proud partner of the NHL good save money on car insurance so he switched Call Him thor whoever this lake or lady thank you ladies The the that thing has definitely had to come to the conclusion that it's they are I like like I get it I'm a simulation that's going to be a defacto thing and though those are our grandchildren who are going to does it intelligent and engaging way and it makes me think of this conversation about the episode where like there's like a tiny universe and like this battery that's powering Rick Spaceship and then those people you're overwhelming likely purpose is is a negative result that that that that is simply to a firm that is and I do want to say though that can easily be flipped incredibly uplifting thing because what matters in our lives and there's also the question of people not being entirely conscious or self-aware like not even like not stop right now and just hit the floor and fuck and like eat nuts and berries and groom ourselves and disco dance like we cheated the system Lake Lake we there was a very interesting question regarding this there was there was this idea it was originally pose as can had a cognitive about why they do things teaching a teaching another creature that will also remember has to do all this shit that we could possibly abuse that we could hack it and we could go nope I'm the Hawkeye Pierce of this mash what we become one day and by we I mean whenever the hell we become the thing that might not be able to go back in time the thing that that that that that this this tongue that split you go you know when they greet each other they're going to go you know none of this is real there isn't it and they're gonNa make love with their barbarella finger uh-huh but the time that we're alive no matter what if it's a simulation or not and what is more liberating to a species than to if we were to actually realize hip pills three yeah but Yeah I do I kind of got lost in that but I guess that's the bleak part is the is the in our jeans we we we we have one chance because it had to give us just enough free will whatever you call that till like because to make it so important to us dogs be racist that was the original that was the starting point of that question there's a radio about that by the way that I think they they delve into that question I can't remember what they found him yet will what was fascinating too with this there's a lot of neuro chemistry a place in the dogs are sort of an expression of our technology that humans learned they could manipulate biotech like we learned that if you and I think we yeah we we we we would talk endlessly about that stuff in the writer's room or just sort of like yeah it's that is what we do right where humans we talked about domestication of dogs last night you make this sheltie fuck this other shelty you leave this sheltie that's not behaving the way we want it to that then you change what a sheltie is and looking into make another tiny universe in that tiny universe and those people make another tiny universe I that it makes me think of this simulation theory so I was wondering where that idea came from and like that's exactly where it came from around to how we're all going to be a and and he he looks at everything through that Lens and his view of sociopaths is based that's one of the kind of stuff you've seen like Black Mirror dystopia in science fiction and that's the thing that's really important to me about the shows that it's funny it's hard fell but it has to ask these kinds of questions and it it avenue for just a minute win win thing really love about this morning is that like there's a place for shit like you just went through in that show where there wouldn't be in any other cartoon types you I could imagine we're calling that the top of the line like we're just gonNa Chill now do the club is called pants and then we have these maybe not the smartest but very dedicated students who who repeat this behavior and so we went down into this idea of locate an and maybe at times instruct that kind of behavior we have these imperfect teachers don't really know the curriculum they're teaching technology we created since the very beginning right right because we don't know and this has been my kind of it sounds like a joke but I truly I just think something and then the first dog hanging out you know yeah so we really don't know which means I I hate to agree not but that means that this that that means that we we are we have been outpaced by the that we can trace could we trace the origin point of that first interaction that I Cain it'd Homa whatever interaction all kind of roughly roughly based on where a an extinct version of wolf is thought to exist purses people who came early for lack of a better word could could we find something real about that and so I looked into the origins like the some of the most recent research on the evolution of domestication of dogs and there are maybe three take I just asked the question of my podcast how do we know the extent to which dogs have shaped our volition the dogs trained us them all the things they need and then this part of the conversation that that haunted me just a bit was the the idea this is later evolution and then could we find some sort of inborn thing such that people who came late to the Canaan Game Ver I if dogs if we all agree that since the beginning which we can't pinpoint that we brought estimates hundred thousand years I hate to agree with this kind of inability to pinpoint a beginning and ending to what we call reality we are about ourselves really yeah the boy and his dog kind of thing not the not the ellison story but the boy and his dog sort of convenient myth is and then from that could we could we find another Brad cromer another line a red string on the board that that tree the happened I think probably guys I don't know I'm just trying to get funding so there is unsure about the origin of the domestic dog as S.'s and they're very broad and there and even the people who are like hard core about it like this a specific region of Europe but when I say specific I just mean like in broad you know north this barter east of this part read a Dog's phase to be comfortable around a dog to be able to sense win a dog is or is it going to growl or share or I how do we know that those things didn't become survival traits that that let don't have there's not there's not a dig site where anyone found like the first Homo Sapiens Homo neanderthals is just that it's pain point to Syria or the Fertile Crescent enter three guesses car but they're all there and to our own natural selection within our own species I mean for God's sakes to what extent is the ability to work with a Camaro uh weren't dog people could possibly have been just they're gone now they're in some parallel universe where we didn't domesticate dogs and so there's like the map there's East Asia there's certain America was missing the second one and then there's and then there's assisted before a chimneys needed to be swept before when dogs were the height of technology I god I mean like people that and they train dogs so much that they became Like did they stare at the leash so long that the leash stared back at them too thous dogs have have have been by our sides how do we know the extent to which the ability to when you were dealing with a wolf in those little things you're talking about them the micro movements on your face and your ability to really sense whether or not this animal is going to attack or not and those ones all look at one side of it why because it's slightly more expressive by like a couple of Manno microns Yeah the the the ability to run a dog as the code that it is like of course before the television remote controls but I had been told as a kid like don't don't be afraid dogs can smell fear so you'd have and that of course musculature we have one side of our face that's all that that tells a little bit more whether we're pissed disappointed those people are in charge just right it is really odd to imagine how dire that technology was affect the gene pool of a trailer park from nineteen sixty to nineteen ninety like like like like I it now it's like don't don't great amplifiers of our internal like unrecognized anxiety about Zeno people I love the way we were talking about daddy of dogs ended up dog and maybe that random dog stops takes you in like a I don't know how much of his a superstition and pop science like that is those those minute things are so vital throughout the learning of that because they because there's a chain reaction that takes place when I was a kid good at gossip were good at ideology which I it it translated into our ability to say things like Hey you wanna go kick some neanderthal survive what helps them survive way more easily being able to read their owner and if they're owner is crossing the street every time they you know like they're gonNA they're probably just they know what pointing is the that they look at our face like why don't they think that we are our hands those are the things that have food the answer is because Homo sapiens like walking around I think they're Dick's like who told you that Steve I don't know Steve Shut up and unreal more seriously than things right in front of our God damn face house technology and especially the economy between what is real his technology like it makes perfect sense but I never really thought of it quite like that and one point you may last night it was like we're talking about the book sapiens and how neanderthals figured out how to use tools more like just in its snowballing that's how our capacity to invent language and flags and ideologies like we take things that are really no now that dogs they they look at one side of the human face the fact that they look at her face is in the same which part or hair you know how about racist like that's why I think razor explanations no dogs probably why would being racist help I'd say this just blows my mind the idea that they you know they put a laser kind of tracker dogs had at one point and they defended radio game companies I hear you talking about fallout all the time and some other games and I know we're all like some sky rim some give me an get back to the Andrew following and they maxed out at functionality like one hundred neanderthals meanwhile there's twenty thousand Homo sapiens over the hill tweeden up a store the ones that weren't reading human faces are gone dead men tell no tales -tated and reproduce and the ones that could pick up on the human face is is what reaction in you and you run into a strange dog and then so then it happens then all of a sudden the dog is like growling and barking at you viciously and you're fucked that was always told like dogs can smell fear and all kinds of things and you have reactions with neighborhood dogs as I grew up in the mid west and there weren't like leash laws and all these things like you just run across this version yeah yeah you can build things like in minecraft or something like that where you can just endlessly create something while completely ignoring all that's in front what is more real what is the priority I'll tell you what's more real what's AETNA universes created by Bethesda and other get the rewards are I don't want to derail too much but you guys feel like like I'm just trying to apply that kind of that was an advantage but they never really progressed past that and then Homo sapiens could use tools but could also like organize better and they would like to fight every time I think it was like neander there's no real consequences to which but on the flip side of that maybe also the utter stability of consequence like as in like That guy is a big kind of thesis is that the one thing that we're really good at that that rains down there everything is we're good at believing in Bullshit Harari were coming back into the game and some shit that you put some energy into and one by you know experience and hardship I can't remember if neanderthals hand tools like homo erectus exactly right they were like tool specialists the point is though you the idea that we he was an adaptation for us to figure out how to work with dogs and it affected our evolution in the same way that like it affected revolution affected as a probably an extension of what like what in practice that is somehow undone that is like we're we get so angry because what are we getting from a video game that we're not getting from your life it's just consistent Serbs session of finding predicting patterns and then we get this rush win we successfully Say Well and I am I just going off the rails here I don't even know what I'm trying to talk rails conversation the alternate failures care about a thing one say a simulation of sorts I guess so but in this in even world where I can exist take my mind off of this one for a little while and you know have enough agency where I can feel as though I'm doing something L. Ask tomorrow why who told you that's a good idea you haven't heard of him his name Steve and meanwhile in the NFL camp they're like hey if you if you see these like now he's trying to bring it back to the a lot of what we're talking about here like entertaining ourselves but we we got so good at organizing and do all these things that we've created these uh-huh maybe it's just the impulse that we have of wanting to escape and you know a lot of the things humans do is to escape having to deal with whatever we're having to deal with if you're if you play an open world sandbox game what's the one thing that really pisses you off some bug or bad game design that involved you ruggles successes and the lessons they learned along the way I made about thirty thousand dollars eventually my credit cards just got maxed out so you mean to tell me we hate that and yet what are we doing like what we're chasing that dopamine spike of win we we get the positive result which just don't want that positive result taken away changing them rules like minecraft don't do that I'm GonNa build a thing that always has the same rules right yeah I believe there's power especially life hey if you guys find an apple and it's the right color you bite into it it's not gonNA kill you and time and time again life for young women in talking about money how much we make how much we spend money impacts our identities under relationships I'm Samantha Bari Leash it and we barely take any time to celebrate because celebration doesn't spike are dopamine quite as much as going onto the next thing we'd go like we are celebration takes the form of apple man it smelled my fear that that's like the level of interaction we're having with dogs from the beginning I mean you guys you guys probably know kick nizer's like that is our double down bat we are chimpanzees gone haywire with this from us and that's I think that's what video games provide it's it is it is this fantasy that we we were promised by God in real the editor chief of Glamour in our new podcast she makes money moves you'll hear women from across the country sharing personal stories about salaries financials auction of glamour an iheartradio listen and subscribe at Apple podcast iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts it's God damned there it's not going anywhere like I we draw such like we're addicted to that because we are after all pattern according to everything that I've put all this energy into if I plug wire into this thing this is gonna come up it's going to be a red light and when it happens we go home Dan we've been we've been sort of waxing we've been we've been philosophizing and odd Z.. minecraft best example ever which also knitting I mean that's the because I I it and dog domestication's like I did this thing yeah that's what I was completely ignoring the consequences because there's no consequences in the game even if you like play you know morally or whatever like I mean you know at the end of the day act we've been talking for some time at least the way we're measuring time in this reality or this interpretation there of and our mortgage was not paid and you went shopping you'll also hear from experts helping guide these women and women everywhere toward a better financial early enough other than two or three things we haven't we haven't bridged any sort of specific conspiracy and During my tenure here oh no now I think we're gonNA I think we I think we have probably just be completely transparent we probably have like ten twelve episode it lies bite into it there's a worm and it's like hey man you're not the only thing on earth there's worm you wanted to apple to whatever boy a future it is your younger south job to look after your older south we're more comfortable getting physically naked with somebody then financially naked she makes money moves is because we're gonNA find out at certain points we know we fucked something I was wrong about that why is it now that there's three layers there's fucking up and we we act me I don't know when the camera wasn't bad but it's like you imagine for God's sakes like defy secret societies a little bit and we just let it roll because it was great we had a good time and listeners I think dig it and he never told us who that person was like do you realize what this means I can do it means they can make three colors of lights if I get three wires and then we moved we move onto the next thing that arguably it's GonNa Frustrate the hell out of it it so off off Mike we we looked around and realized that we jack and I found that to be a profound portrayal of like the other side of the that that theory masonic lodges and they don't know that was the one that he wished to be reinvited right spilled the beans on book and snake but then there was like the nondescript small-scale things like for instance the fact that John Hodgman got invited to this super swanky Feasability of some of these extreme kind of moon landing scale conspiracies however when you when you unpack certain is this idea of you guys saying people are bad at keeping secrets which sort of undercuts the are like it's easier to keep a secret sometimes Adams worth on that last night whereas the idea of like mass we even with the Sapien stuff the idea that we foods that we have to go back now and do we have to do like an hour on the stuff that we touched on I think we all agree this is going to be a free-wheeling thing and we we don't we wouldn't put it out if it hadn't been interesting perspective on something that we talk about all the time we just secret societies and inside and for information that kind of helped us teams minute amount it was I described it in my book I'm describing it here but I'm not telling you who it was because I want to be invited like don't do that John Hodgman bid was supposed to be in the intro is just GonNa be a fun little thing to plug is book and then it just kept going and ended up being a great episode and I really we that's why right the first question when I pulled up to these guys they're helping me park is like did did Hodgman tell you who this like rich douchebag is that has the parties back when you guys probably have some pretty intelligent pretty nonstarter fucking fans that are like I don't care which is the Oh nine eleven couldn't be an inside job because look at the dufuses that were in power when it happened how could they possibly have pulled off the suppression of nine you too how to cooperate through stories like mass-scale cooperation is sort of our bread and butter is a species but we talked the idea like how could these warring factions Manati ask gathering that he would not divulge switch just because I find it interesting and I think it actually is interesting to your listeners like that is a question that came up when you guys were on my podcast the ancient larva from the Amazon it's GonNa make you see the dwarves that construct time but then don't tell anybody that we did this okay right okay yeah and then you we came up last night or the idea was there are absolute examples of that kind of cooperation when you can point to that benefit right whether it's continuing to enrich your boozy you know aluminum body would gathering POWs or whether it's CR- surrounded by rich famous people all of whom were told keep this a secret because that's how we like to do it in his center if you guys after the after we hit stop you go okay this is the thing we do with all our guests get out the pipe we're gonNA smoke this like three Ah eventually gonNa Tell Duncan Trussell I'm going to people but if it's tied to like if that smoking that worm we're in year now you now have a tracker in your body because of the worm the worm actually sends out a signal if you tell anybody about it gives me an orgasm beyond which I've never had and then you tell me at the end of it like we do it once a week if like an rain whatever bro so long you thought you understood of the economy you've got a nice penthouse in New Orleans like whatever how you keep have people have human beings or the earlier mix tapes of human beings in the current ones have they have they trained wjr betraying a secret has a lot more dopamine spike to offer them keeping it but yeah like the example I used downstairs a- alien like Oh tell me okay okay I'll incorporate that like all invent a worm detector but it's like we expect results and then God's Oh man you ever hear hurry you know two countries that have something to gain what are the most effective benefits however at least my impression from our conversation there was the avoidance of Khan always get to do that but it's really fun to like let it let it rip you know me combined with John Hodgman doesn't create like a like a old I think we have to consider time because the the function over time also also challenges that when we have when we have like even if it's just simple if United Airlines had a program that was like for whatever reason free first class past that that that confounds the idea of humans can't keep a secret humans can't keep a secret because usually by and large it's that then you are as part and parcel duty bound to that I that holds fat for for the rest of your life all you have to do is never tell anybody about it fine I have no idea no profit from telling people flying first class they'll just yell at me anyway on one hundred percent on board I think it's I think is steadfast like it's a water type point but it doesn't I sequence watermarked you get a copy of man three at near like it's like it's like look marvel really wants you to take a legacy is that our secret people will die for people will kill for people will benefit from perpetuating right time will eventually turn my united there's like I'm I'm making up this example swear to God but it's like you you you're you don't WanNa be uncall- like I it's the it's the fear of consequence Ooh and then you're you simply will deny it and you won't ever get to do it again and if someone else who is also has one of these trackers violence eleven when they couldn't even defend us against nine eleven they can like kind of addicted to that feeling but then again it's like there are other kinds of conspiracies you know cooperate a and then keep a secret you know for that long you're going to talk about the end of Sapiens you're talking about how it apply to on Lake me to create a non don action in my view I can't believe we didn't get the most work you've ever gotten done my tweet it so of course I'm not gonNa tell anybody I it's like why would but I I still I still Laker in program I'll get diabetes and lose both my legs I won't be able to fly anywhere because of stint in my heart and at that point there will be more reward and telling people everything I know about United Secret Fire Program His deathbed confession tropes right but cliches sacrosanct never talked about this box versus rendering the secret somehow less valuable would they end up dying moving into political phases where it was more profitable to tell the truth but also just relevant so for the the legroom conspiracy for first class for free conspiracy than the idea becomes nation right because now again we are unequipped to deal with what's the Dunbar's number argument we can only know how many people is it what if what if now there's teleportation and you know what if we've broken our lives to to fight for the the situation which would exist but yeah I think I think just as technology evolves at a very quick pace as now the now no matter what you say about that specific instance of what was a life and death secret no one will care especially their inundated with information the whole time idiots let's say we're talking about like the goalpost moves in the consequences change therefore people can only come out and to humanity organic things continue to evolve a we see this situation where on an individual at a societal level the concept of you see the size of which would be required to assassinate Kennedy and keep keep it all secret the number of people that would have to have known not only then for reasons both individual to humans and to it would collectively the conspiracy L. U. of information of all let's even like the UFO thing we talked about the flippy you know the inside the cockpit videos of these identified objects and I hope I didn't ruin your show doing it but we talked about the idea of when the idea of keeping something secret in some sort of like and now the navy's like yeah that's what it is we don't really care anymore it's not worth it dust like do the dance eight hundred assistance of consequence which is not a real thing in the real world right A. we can write laws we make video games implying secrecy is somehow seen as beneficial and there must be a tipping point where it's rendered irrelevant or where it is these are all about teleportation you know they think hipster and quaint that you physically fly on an aircraft and anything it's your thing but now you want to teleport says it's the teleportation principle they say the more time changes they say it's not gonNA stop changing thing and it we've been doing this for six hundred years so we've got lots of stories to tell you about people who've come before you that succumbed the best pilots were trans and now we have to replace the worse treading water understand the rules changed like the Times change the rules change it's like yeah of course they were Ufo's Ah yes of course you were doing that the whole time you didn't know so secrecy exists in a given scenario so long as that I don't know why that slippery though because that's very very close to say that there is no such thing over time as a secret that's very optimistic sure of urine the worm and the and the airline and the first class and now the people who who brought us into this the temptation to write a tell all or to cash in their chips and that person's name was Dave Chapelle and now look what happened to him that would necessarily When it gets that extreme I wonder if I have the marrow in my bones that would simply brutally honest and say lake the one of the primary reactions I have is jealousy like I do I am the guy that the airline you alone are always going to have access to the hidden levels you're always going to be able to it may even include being able to benefit your friends who aren't l. know exactly there's only one hundred hundred zero three I think what I think to your point you're saying take JFK for example the or but it's like I I can't ask myself like I don't think I have anything innately inside of me leaper room had to booths and it was just they were booths that were smaller than something you could get it at shoney's and then it's the exception that proves the rule because you go if there's a society if you guys smoke that worm with me afterwards you keep adding more worms that's what the aluminum unlike heightened coffins and Dracula like it doesn't change the fact that when I think about the existence of something like the skull and Bones Society I gotta be their children aren't going to go to write schools or even if they do their grandchildren will be broker I if they depending on what they reveal to you because that's there's this dichotomy between this maybe not the best example but it's like the we see so many the aluminum body you might you might be able to pick and choose like the circumstances that might be like a personal benefit of it and it's like all they ask you to do is eat a baby every October offers like platinum VIP whatever's anytime there's like a you know airline lounge it's like an they have an extra platinum door and you can't get past go nats the right thing to do I'm going to bring holding down man especially if the overwhelming indication was you can't do that the first guy to think that it will matter accurate scaring me because I've never actually thought about it in that particular way on Hodgman was talking about the secret societies even though even though he was doing it with a of of willful and knowledge like kind of perspective he's like yeah they really do is sit around and read books jerk off General Lo they would have bigger secrets without her yeah yeah there would be a going back to the idea of is that one unless you have the other thing and I'm like I'm always just like filled with this like just this envy only come on man give me give me everywhere assumption to make that any significant majority read forget that any significant minority of human beings ah determine my that's where I fall on this line there really is genuinely oh it's accurate yeah I it feels else and the other one is who we are defined by our actions and it is a very difficult I would say preposterous and then they go on the other hand you have a subscription to a to a cheat Code Library where everyone's going to keep playing Mario Brothers Berg contacted me if if the masons it turned out to be real it'd be like come on yeah make me a member most most I agree with you I think most people would but they were the only place to sit and they were VIP booths and it was just like I was such a sucker for it? I'm not going to the Viper Room unless I know VIP so I could sit in one of those booths so many shits about North Korea happening there is terrible and then you know links look at what you recently watched one of those is the story we tell about her or whatever that they'll give you like examples ago this person's in their underwear in the street they blake now they're officially classified as a crazy person like seven billion five hundred million people all are immersed in one reality and you beckon me back into the back room of the Vatican and you tell me paintings that we've made of ourselves right Sunni like the Norman Rockwell things so when he self-portrait we've made whether it's our Netflix queue fully stick I think describe to now take the aluminum body sure I it simultaneously completely discredited by some of this stuff but ah like it's garbage like you could be I could be sold a closet to stand in if you call it a VIP closet anyway so I'm just saying like the bill we've been doing this for a thousand years here's this Ellsbury steak here's a goblet of wine this is Bill Gates this time hang this baby truly actually do believe that would push came to shove the torture Eyder the sacrifice I'd be willing to commit to protect do you just turn into you'll you'll be classified you'll be called a drug addict and a schizophrenic per person or is it a baby per like organism this if you if you blow it up and you say you go public and you're like this is how you get first class on this air flight this is what happens to all those babies a subway and like you manage every every everyone that things are eating Calamari is eating pig anus and only we know like when it gets that fun taking part in this are Mike I'm like Jennifer Garner alias Oyu part of the CIA you're like you're part of this my third one just relax this really taking that away from it it's just sort of like I do it's funny how like offended I'll get about the idea of autocracy versus democracy the bullet that I believe I would take in the in the reality of like like how how what I wait like you'd you'd almost cut off your nose despite your face just to make

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Please welcome back to the Doug Trestle family our podcast the glorious Dan Harmon <music> <music> Jams my face. Oh Yeah like basically like I'm sorry about this by the white man it's like. I'm still getting this aspect of it setup at the more. It's in your face better but I wouldn't worry about it too much knowing things area this you know don't worry about it now. It's like that's perfect. I'm sorry I gotta get this worked out. This is what I I. I had one of these in my nightstand in my bed really S. so perfect yeah good idea just to grab ideas year or just too well just to like I. I A little bit there before I started moving my job. I was thinking about like you know what what if your goal was to like may be be able to do everything from bed yeah which is you're not supposed to think that way. It's out here yeah pain culture sure here's herb means. You're sick the yeah that well that's right. Yeah I started. That's the funny thing. Is that very quickly. If you want to be productive in bed you immediately lately of course you're looking if you take it seriously you're pretty quickly crossing a threshold from Amazon to like hospital equipment is it could be this thing like hospital hunker hospice culture kind of like micro micro convalescence. It's fucked up. It's like the only for a lot of people hospice and baby is the only time you experience real compassion in your life yeah everything in between is a hell scape gape where people you'd someone's nice to you. It's an emergency situation and like I was just watching. You know this New York City five police officers. There's in one month committed suicide and which is weird that it's contagious but <hes> you know the one of the the police general all chief was like just call out if you need help just and I was thinking how fucked up it is in the world that to get like help just basic human compassion. It's an emergency situation otherwise shut the fuck up now. If you're on the precipice of executing yourself call out up but before that please don't bother me yeah yeah I was just listening to this thing on the drive over here. Talk Radio Lab has this like miniseries they're doing right now about intelligence measuring and <hes> and the latest episode somebody talking about Whale Intelligence and the theory among the people that that <unk> study whales that they think that it's possible that <unk> their echo-location is is carrying a feeling with it that and that and that they have something something that we kind of strive for and would consider super advanced which is just macro empathy to the point where if if to Wales and a giant pot of Wales are sick than the the entire whale pod to an outside human observer is basically <unk> saying singing we are sick because there's two of them that are so they're all feeling it and until that problem solved it's it's all of their problem problem which we would consider very advanced or maybe some people consider that the nightmare of socialism or something like like but only only if the sickness then kills the whales like I think that's what that's what evolutionary humanists are afraid of is Oh if we all every time there's an unwed mother that needs diapers. We all need diapers. We're all going to go down and none of us are going to finish our album. That's what we're worried. Worried about. Finish are out to isn't it's like we're in such a strange place right now. Hold on one second. I'm sorry Dan I god no no problem. I'd be scared to make this leap Emma China record stuff in my car like singing and stuff and I'm wow like it's working great. I just this doesn't track so there's a lear that trust ask it was. Isn't there a button. I'm sure that that like where they attracts the cursor tracks to whatever the play head misery history look at that red dot and I see it now I can tell where it is not just okay. Sorry I WANNA get into the terror of socialism realism that is right now one of the like it just hounding people's brains because it's this idea of like first of all if you remove all the like if you heard there were communism or socialism minus the history <hes> of either what people think it is. You have like pretty much an obvious sort of way to live. which is we need to commune with each other? There needs to be a communing learning that happens in our civilization and so the act of communing with your neighbors would one word for it be communism. I'm someone who communes. I like the feeling wing of being in communion with my friends. I like it. It's nice. It's a great feeling by the way when you're having sex that's good you could say you're a communist because communing with your lover. It's great or socialist to the other thing is like one of the insults are like you should better watch out for that guy. He's antisocial. You know that's it's no good if he's antisocial set should on fire. It'll fuck your dogs like I have a reason for it he does it. He wants to hurt things but so that we should be afraid of like if a new sort of economy was emerging that was an antisocial economy and people really plugging it'd be a good thing till till I be scared of but for some reason people here socialism and I'm like they're going to take your fucking house right so yeah. This is like to me a problem of semantics right like if we could come up with another word for people with love it right away. Yeah I mean I it's a it. Isn't there like a bunch of ways in which even the the hardest core kind of fiscal conservative conservative would agree that <hes> that <hes> something that they would basically refuse to call socialism is needed like I it just like the people that are people that panic about the idea of socialism probably also panic about the the idea of anarchy but it's sort of it's a big semantic soup because these words mean like almost nothing at this point point but if you're right we do need to I think take a step back cause for instance. I probably different from you in that. I don't I I I don't want. I don't want cooperation imposed on me no way because that's not cooperation you don't ever fuck I we're the same there fuck fuck that I don't. I don't WanNa wake up on Tuesday in the mood to be exceptional to be private to be isolated alienated and have someone knocking on my door like my entire. Life is the equivalent of a long weekend with girlfriend's family where well all we do this thing where we we get coffee and we have the inside joke and now we play trivial pursuit. Now we do these things. I don't want that loss of control over my line. I think that it but what I want is I don't WanNa have to feel guilt or shame or about like getting more at some starting line that I didn't even participate in than other people like I I it like and if if you if you get born in a country and you're not allowed as a baby or able as a baby to go. I think I'll be Swedish like then. What does it mean to be a citizen of that country? It doesn't mean anything right like it. It you get born Swedish born French. You got born America and in any case it's not up to you like what your first pair European cities. It's not up to you. What neighborhood you live in is not up to you what color your skin is not up to you? What school you go to for the first twenty years of your life like it's an so since it's not up to you all that stuff it's isn't it? Kinda weird that if you at thirty years old are sleeping on a park bench that some other dude who also had no control over their circumstances like they're the one with the badge and the stunned done baton and they're like Zapping you and going hey you can't sleep here. Yeah and it's like I'm just very calm. I'm fascinated in confused lately about about the that that concept of homelessness for instance where we all agree. We wish there weren't dirty poor people on the street but what we keep it just seems such such a fundamentally weird thing where we're like. I wish that dirty poor person didn't exist because what really really makes me angry about them. As the idea that I owe dirty poor people something and I I is that makes sense because it's like we don't respond to do on an emotional level to a person in need <hes> with dislike urge to help them. We want them to go. Oh away. We want them to not have need yeah and then but then when we talk about politics and policy and things that's that's why all I ever strive for. Can you get you get those people out of the off the sidewalk with the policy that I don't have to engage it on an emotional level yeah and that's as cynical as liberal thought can get. I think it's just be like dude. I'm a liberal because I just I. I just want everybody to stop like being a reason for me to feel ashamed of myself. Fuck Yeah it's like when you go shopping shopping for meat. You don't want the that's why there's no such thing as like. There's a cow greets you at the door or Jews aren't juicers juicers. It's cool you go your orange juice. Watch the orange juice. Yeah I mean the right to the right to isolate the right to cause yeah if I was a if we were cavemen and we lived in a tribe of one hundred people I wouldn't I want I'm first first and foremost I'm an elitist because I want to be like come on man. I'm not that good at hunting. mammoths like yeah gauges. Let me hang out and play with Dunkin's moog thing. Whatever the prehistoric equivalent of that is because I'm just going to slow you guys down there? The thought let's the society starts getting constructed and then from there you go people like the little skinny or the big fact guys that can't swing a club as well start going. Hey what if what if even though you could absolutely just have any girl you want Sir what if what if we all made agreements that once a girl says she's yours and you so you get like these horrible like kind of institutionalized institutionalized concepts of ownership and things that all ended up biting us in the ass but it's all born out of like this insecurity of I can't I just be a nerd sucked my thumb in mind my business and but also some we're going to take out my garbage and then wash my shit away and and most importantly of although I like the kin. Can I stop worrying about all of you yeah well. It's not is it. It's like <hes> <hes> there the feeling of being sort of held by the universe with zero obligation do anything in the universe outside of whatever your main job is glorious. I mean you can't find a better feeling than that sense of fuck. It can be in my house just making music I in order stuff that comes to my door when it comes to my door. I don't have to then talk to the guy. This is always the difficulty of buying drugs you know there has to be more of a depending on if you have fortunately in the old days I have had very nice. I'm not trying to insult any my drug dealers because some of them are my best friends but I'm saying like when you end up with like a real you know sort of lump you know somebody's brain has been mushed and you just kind of like interested arrested in buying some dope. You don't feel like having a long conversation when you kind of have to because it's prohibited anyway. What I'm saying is the glorious sense of being able to drive by person laying on the street and think to yourself well that someone else's problem? I know people fixed that is a is a really like narcotic attic kind of sick wonderful and anesthetize pleasure. That's one hundred percent related to the fact that we're not pods of Wales feeling each other's reality because the moment at some if like just by some miracle the earth shot out of Iris that made it so that you you oh you had that thing that thing can feel other people's pain if everyone had that tomorrow wherein fucking Karl Marx Lan it's Communist de all the way through no rich person can be able to sit in his fucking Nice Place Starve nearby because it would hurt you. You'd be like I gotta give food to that person. I think well maybe we both agree on is tomorrow. If that came out on the shelf at best buy or at your local pharmacy the first person to try it would immediately spit it out and go. I don't want that ever in my mouth again like when we when we say if everyone had it if if everyone had it it might be no problem yeah and it's just that it's just that big problem nobody wants. Nobody wants to get fucked. Nobody wants to be the first person or the the only person to start playing by different rules and then you just like Oh man you're done. I just I just Kinda like I. I put out a ten tonight as anybody want my shit and then the answer was yeah these twenty people did and then they took some of my shit and they started a business selling tends chance to people that want to put tents out but they they charge five times as much now now they're in a fucking space station filled with diamonds and coke laughing laughing at me and because it turns out being poured as an automatically make you a good person at heart I should know because is <hes> you know I wasn't born rich but but but you you touched on something kind of interesting there which is I think is poetic. which is we do now more than ever? We have the ability because of technology to whether it's drugs or even just diapers or applesauce pantyhose or toy trucks like we we we can. It's crazy that you can just click on that stuff and it'll come to your door the next day and that that's not really regarded regarded as <hes> as something that rich people can do. It's like basically how we're how we're all starting. We're all able to do it. There's the price differential Joel is not is not like Oh. If I go down the street to Kmart I <hes> I I'll be a better being better with my money money than if I buy it on Amazon it's like we all are able now and also not even being punished for this like curbed door kind of service and the it's funny that the exact same technology is is is also making it impossible for you to ignore right and which is responsible for all these those culture wars that were having because you know you're younger than me but you and I both through the Lens of comedy could like look on the spectrum was like ten years ago patent Oswald could do a standup sat in it didn't matter and we all we all lived through these markers where it was sort of like you know well. The Internet is ruining comedy. The Internet is ruining like this this aspect of my life that I really held valuable which was isolation pockets contexts due process. Whatever you WANNA call it late like where where it's like you know and now it's just like you can't you can't not know <hes> <hes> that someone somewhere would have a problem with what you're doing or saying right now and we can make uh I mean the thing is is like if for whatever reason you just feel a basic sense of I don't like you fuck it? I can make what you're saying. I can take anything thing you've said. If you have enough of it out there and I can prove that you're a satanist. I can prove your pedophile improve your fucking Cannibal. I could find ways to make the thing work work. There's enough of it out there and especially if I've got a group of people who just WanNa be mad who don't WanNa even look into anything at all you just WanNa read a sentence a an must be the way it is. It's terrible mess but it's all but don't ignore the fact that that that shipment of that guilt and shame and outrages coming in the same same box as all oreo cookies. You want diapers at three in the morning lately. That's the thing is we're getting this big box. Ax of other people were getting were now able to just have whatever we want but that doesn't include isolation and ENCL- <unk> we're in we're finding I think we one has to take extra psychological steps APPs. Should one want to have one without the other yeah so like you're sitting in your basement. You've got your drone coming coming in from your favorite electronic store your brand new microphone and shotgun shells your your your apple sized your your dog collar that Wifi synch your dog to the outside perimeter. You're all these things that are gonna make your life more convenient for you as an individual and and the but they come in all of those things those luxuries the ability to have those things without having to drive all the way to fries much less talk to a fries and yes yeah all of those things come with this crazy signal over the same ham radio which is like must be nice all when you do your piece of shit these voices are coming so you have to build this Faraday box to like people are being challenged reached so it's little wonder you see these this rise. It would have been a big wonder to me ten years ago. If you had said to me do you now that the Internet progressing along this trajectory is actually going to see the rise of factionalism tribalism nationalism Jingoism Xenophobia xena phobia. I'd be like no that doesn't make any sense because I'm an early adopter of the Internet and every if it's very clear that it's all boundaries good or bad are GonNa melt away yeah well well no not at all because the human impulse not being Wales biologically the human impulses for isolation valley lately and if we're denied it it if you send us a box that says all of your cookies are in here plus a bunch of guilt. We're going to twist and contorted our brains to eat the cookies without the guilt talk yeah. That's Genius Man Yeah. That's it hundred percent. We are boundary we like to like. Can you see fiddler crabs at the beach. They're cool. I Love Them. They like you've ever It's crazy. It's crazy 'cause they're clearly don't kind of society and they dig little holes for each other and they all will go back in these holes lls and then they come out of the hole and if you go by they raise up their claw at you all together like lucky. We've got these cloth. It's pathetic. I can understand the the power dynamics because you could smash them. Definitely tonight guns that they're holding man. It's sad to watch a crab brandishes back the wrong horse. I imagined speeches down on those Donald's guys now more than ever. We have to show solidarity if we go out there tomorrow uh-huh here farmer Cummings coming guys. We've been over this those of you who don't go up and raise your client in the air you. You're you part of the problem. There needs to be all eighty claus coming out of the whole marsh or crabs may may may actually be in danger and was censured primate that can make gunpowder we all laws of you'll see the fear in his eyes one Alitas all this pork once I don't know I have crab stories just came into my mind but this this crab was in a tidal pool and I saw the crab lab and the crab was aware that I was aware of the crab clawing up and I'm walking down the title pool and it was like in the title pool shadowing me holding shaking. It's clot me just to make sure like look. I could chase you if I wanted to. That's that's to me is like when I find by myself. Put throwing my closeup like that against like literally infinity and you know inside your like this claw throwing. It's doing doing nothing and then you see on the Internet like what you're talking about. Swarms of these poor little you know imaginary crabs which are people's identities smashed Ashton digitize put on a fuck and twitter and then they throw their claws up against a shadow of a thing that probably doesn't even exist and they're shaking their fucking fucking glow yeah man it's identical it's like and then the next thing you know sure as shit someone will be like why didn't you throw your clot man and sometimes that'll be accurate. You know it's not safe to decide with the general cynicism of it. How do you know the difference between the moment when that clearly matters those those crabs maybe they don't know the difference between farmer armor Cummings into skunk or Horny toad or whatever the fuck biosphere? I don't know what I'm sure that that Goddamn crab claw move works all the time or at least even if it doesn't work anymore it worked somehow somewhere and how are they supposed to know the the difference in more. You can't decide with entropy. You can't just up and go well your tweets don't matter and your breath. It doesn't matter your mind doesn't matter your outrage doesn't matter nothing matters I it's. I don't like that either. It's just it's like. Are you just trying to be right right. Are you just so worried about being wrong that I mean you don't get a cookie for that either. If the thing if the if the horse that you bet on in the race of philosophies is none of this race matters like yeah you're definitely guaranteed winner what yeah and what is the what is like. I kind of bums me out to like 'cause the smartest people in the world default to that because it is the most logical L. thing in a in a state of chaos is the most surefire bet if you pull back from the earth far enough like a little kid with cancer or a local election or a Alderman raving about a walmart going up or a a tribe somewhere that's like warring genocidal excitedly about the shape of someone's earings like of course the further you pull back the less all of that matters. But how far back are you gonNA pull pull well like we talked about this a little bit when you were my podcast sort of that idea of like I think we touched on this where it's like you know <unk>. You and I are prone to the kind of eastern thought of it. Which is the foundation there which which has sort of neither here nor there kind of thing where if you get caught up in that Roller Coaster Year Look if you pee your pants? That's that's your p kind of thing where it's like listen. The only truth that really matters is that there is nothing true and it's like a big aspirin on on the disease of was like freaking out and but I think we all both both both agree that that that's not there's a difference between that being an effective way of of of of <hes> of getting perspective and that being the path to happiness because those those very traditions would say see you're wrong already eddie paths to happiness you done fucked up before we started the happens the way there but the idea of question for happiness for instance as soon as you as soon as you're the doubt agendas A._f._d._c. something's is beautiful. Other things become ugly that sums it up right there. It's like okay so so you're a you're a you're a older your your religion is the more it is a very functional handbook on how to stabilize uh an otherwise unstable engine light lately like Oh yeah nothing matters that's right. That's right you have a you have a crisis and then very very often. The solution is to calm down and go big picture here at the end of the day. <hes> the titanic is going to be be filling with just as much water one minute from now whether or not we strangle each other over who has the bigger a bucket <hes> like so and we might actually that could be a path to someone going you're right. I'm sorry I spent the last twenty minutes looking for a bucket. I actually know something about the pump. In the basement of the key <unk> you could unlock more practical yeah pass to solutions just by going. We're all GonNa die this like that's that's that's it. That's it because other one one sort of broadcast definitely creates a higher likelihood the titanic's going to sink and like sure maybe me there's the odds of anybody being able to fix a fucking iceberg in titanic with whatever's on the titanic probably pretty slim but you never fucking know you don't know when you're on the titanic and when you're sitting in your dad's lap in a in a in a go-cart that he's pretending you're steering or when you're actually fucking steering it because Your Dad's drunk I like you. Don't you don't think isn't that sentence. Isn't that why we're nuts because we have this different split between like <music> <hes>. You can't under react but you can't overreact. That's that's that's. That's what the Western and eastern religions agree on right. It's basically in the West West. It takes the form of this crazy drunk lag angry jealous monotheistic Guy GonNa hit you with a belt for are picking wrong yeah and in the east it's leg well. We kind of figured out you know you don't want to sign up for disappointment <hes> but both of the kind of agree he adds a damn when a fucking fucked up video game this is where it's possible to overreact and under react I I mean the distinction. You're making between those two. I I think one of them is like figure out before you can reject yourself. You have to know yourself. That's the first that's the eastern. One is like I what are you. Are you a thing what are you. Why do you want the packages delivered is? Is it really doing anything for you when you get back is delivered and then this sort of weird process. The price of the Orioles is knowing that you have white privilege can you you can you not add that to the flavor of your cookie et Cetera just the realization that the seven billion people have it worse than me. It's gotta be like they're the best tasting thing you ever ate but there's an twenty percent chance. You'RE GONNA get ball all cancer so you've got to have this sense of like my God. I think it's killing me but the it's like what what are what this simple question. Most people don't explore very deeply identity itself and we're in an identity crisis. I mean with what we're talking about is happening on the Internet what was happening to a person. It's a person having a massive identity crisis and we're having a species all identity crisis 'cause we've been fucking clustering in these countries season adhering to these religions and believing this very certain way of being and waving clause in this very specific way to the point where even talking about waving your client a a different way you can get you on Fox News. You know someone can be yelling about Oh my God. Did you hear this another Hollywood. motherfuckers wave are close to the left instead of the right right yeah and you start waving to the left in the shadow will only grow and then we're in this sixteen years old on a field trip and <hes> smirk wrong and up because that's how that's how insecure we are about who we are like. We're we're like that kid. What does that kid is? The <hes> the Nazi is social doing. We're isn't that kind of a sign of our collapsing confidence that when we're like hike three year old first words are Mega News at eleven like we're we want. We're relate to give me that kid. I'm gonNA fucking punch them. We gotta get the N._F._l.. And we'll beat him. Yeah this this thing this I think is an acknowledgement that at least many people are having in between their conscious subconscious realizing that thanks to technology we are now in a position where if someone articulates a mean in just the right way the contagion that gets spread from that mean has the potential to completely completely restructure society in a way that no top down power structure can stop and it's removing all the value from all of it because we're we learn from history books. There's something special about F._d._R.. Something special about M._l._k.. J._F._K.. As we have heroes and their decisive and then there's movements Minson there's marches and all of these things have value and the economy of all of that is collapsing because Fort Knox is empty it turns out in a world world where a fifteen year old rushing kid can use openly bad English and no apostrophes to say <hes> pepe the frog says says you have a small Dick if you vote for this person and and my mom can freak out enough to change your vote let alone and the entire everything thing is I mean we're all awash in this nihilistic realization but that's a good thing right because if if if if it if you can realize that it was all bullshit then it was all bullshit and there's that ah the next step if we survive is the realization that if we can retain the memory that it's all bullshit bullshit. That's exactly how we should think about everything that doesn't have to do with whether your baby is eating and whether your friend is crying and whether your heart is beating yeah we should see all information as <hes> chaotic the attic and interpreted in a million ways we should see the human mind as not a computer not a zero one. Could you know switchboard but a miraculous ball of sponge that is perfectly capable in the most beautiful and ridiculous ways of acting completely hypocritically holding two completely contradictory thoughts at once both believing in God and not believing in God lately like be like getting away from these previously required compartments elements of information that we needed because we didn't have a fucking Internet. I can literally text you like how I'm feeling on the way home from work from on this podcast because my car will be driving itself I unless I pass a cop. I won't even be doing anything wrong. It'll be it'll be safer for an easier for me to let you know how I feel as your friend better than I could on a phone call better than I am in this podcast like I can just like like thumb you a message in if like because we didn't have that ten years ago twenty years ago you needed more categories. Are you a socialist. Are you a Communist. Are you of bashes star you an atheist are you. Are you spiritual. Are you religious are you. What are you was more necessary when it was harder for us to get in touch with each other Oh cool and and I think the kids are the things that we find obnoxious about them with their they are through through no merit of their own and they just they just born in new different waters but they do have <hes> a heightened awareness? I think of like how every a single one of them is a different story. which the the knuckleheads you know <hes> you know like like look at as a weakness and it was like what is every single fucking human being here? You're going to a different identity and story was to stop the whole Goddamn bus because would've you decided to and but underneath that I think is like it's like yeah you know what that May. That may be the case. Actually what a mess with to me. It's like it's the moment that happens you really the moment that in your own life that clicks in for better or for worse for a lot of people it's for worse you're you're exploitation. Ability drops because now for me it's like having a baby and then seeing the way say that my wife and my baby love each other and seeing the way she just like the patient's man like watching a baby beating nipple as he gets older and they do a thing where he just like he thinks it's funny to clamp on with his lips and just Yank back like like you're you're blowing my wife when it happens balloons on Nobu and then pulling back and then like looking at me with with this like smile on his face as your kids thirteen found one of those papers but when you when you look at when you look at that and then the next time you encounter an asshole will you just think about their mother and the love that their mother still has for them the hopes their mothers has the excitement Heitmann their mother gets when they call or the secret joy mother gets even though they might be pretending to be mad suddenly your ability to really enjoy alienating that person and turning them into the most obnoxious piece of Shit on earth and what a demon it drops at least like twenty thirty percent if not all the way down because because you just dealing at work you know the person who's not doing such a great job or whatever you think of their mom how they call their mom on the weekends or at night. Uh Yeah it's going good I. I'm having some problems but I think I'm working it out now. Do you stay mad at that person. It's really difficult in that. So what you're talking about is like to really enjoy a system where you can justify rationally oppression. You gotTA categorize people into are these very very big broad categories and it's like there's this internal psychological war. We're having right now where we have gotten so good at categorization -sation and we're doing it seemingly in the interest of fairness but were until we can sub categorize to the point where there's no more or categories where these categories are gonNA kill us it because every story that we tell that satisfying to us and unemotional levels astray about how those categories aren't true aw Oh Robert De Niro's not just old fuddy duddy. He's your intern. I mean the the most benign movie is still in the end about how this person in is not going to act in accordance with your predictions period right yeah and and we don't take joy Oy in that that yeah I mean that's a big lesson for me as like like like the because without <music> out even thinking about it. Women were women for me like as opposed to like Oh some some some people amid the various variables that they they have that make up their character sheedy Andy. One of the variables is a is a gender as opposed to like. I don't know it's hard to articulate. It's like the difference between <hes> well. That person who happens to be a woman is over there in the corner and there's a woman in the corner. It sounds like an empty hokey semantics but it's I. I you know win win. The recent wave of of this avalanche of that's got forty to sixty percent of our colleagues in various degrees of entanglement engelman and and opinions and stuff like it happened over the last couple of years like that was my big like epiphany was that Oh some of this shit like you're not even thinking about it. That's and that's the whole problem like and then it would be great if to not think about stuff and automatically automatically already be doing it right but then there's a bunch of stuff that no one's thinking about and the default setting is still on like like a woman like if your if your wife walks in here he eats like <unk> like am I able to am I able to see her as a wife or your wife and that Kinda Shit like like like like <hes> you know I it to me. That's that's the that's the because it's easier to do with like you know like like like 'cause we've been raised on all these movies about like how well if you see. That person has a different color. Are you see them as different weight is like beauty is skin deep and we're all the same underneath kind of thing that stuff's been fed do as so much that we're kind of good at it just like <hes>. It's easy like Oh faking it. We're good at faking it. We're not good at actually being the this thing that you're talking about. Ramdas causes soul not roll your soul or all souls were all from that perspective live infinite sort of Karmic patterns that aren't dependent on the body and that we have been appearing in the material the universe for Millennia in various forms into the point where we've all been each other's mom at some point and we just this is what we're doing. Are we in a fishing net or in a university. Is it a narcissistic prison who the fuck knows but the reality is that when you're sitting with someone whether it's beautiful woman beautiful man man a black person white person Nazi saint whoever in the commerce between Nazi and Saint Whoever you're fucking with that's a Seoul that's assault just like you and there's a unification on this specific on a level just beneath identity. It doesn't mean there's identity identity still there were two costume party. I gotTA respect your costume. You spend a lot of time working on it. Says something about your choices that you made that that day yeah yeah that's right. It's a story three to it may or may not it relate somehow to who you are sometimes in an inverse way sometimes in a totally just reflective wise the precipitous precipitous way like oh I was. I'm angry so I'm wearing a red costume. Sometimes the opposite but there's there's a relationship for sure her because in our wildest dreams were capable of random thought like like random behavior. Were not really like if you make a Halloween costume it came from some some thought in your head. I didn't mean to derail you know so much because Campbell gamble talks of talked about that a lot like the idea of ceremony and identity and all these things are being like he not only in terms of religion engine and <hes> Society should we always keep one foot in one foot out and realize that other people are just <hes> vessels for something else but but also in terms of your own mortality and psychology like your your mental health his reliant on you as you get older realizing that you are just a Halloween costume that you can't continue to take yourself seriously or you're going to really freak out when your flesh starts to rot. You're GONNA take the mask off once in a while. Take a shower man that things discussing casting also. It's like this masquerade that we're in. If any of these things are true. Let's say instead of a soul. Let's go nihilism. It's it's like were sort of just energetic patterns that have sort of consumed have a cyclical way of presenting ourselves. We've gotten stuck patsick representing ourselves. Have you WANNA put it within that I like the soul part idea the best though but within it is this invitation Asian which is hey guess what you can you don't you can take your mask off and try something completely new and everyone's when you know in art people are like look at David Bowie you he had like not use nine different people and it's respected art when an artist has phases and it just gives completely gives up the old phase starts a new phase his holy Shit. It's incredible or people get pissed because the new phase is not as good as the old phase in their minds but well. I wouldn't mind drilling down on that. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa. I don't want to fuck you up. If you're on a roll well the last piece I was just going to take it to the fact that now in do drill down on that but now what's happening is in a person's life we're getting down to the biological level and as technology progresses. That's going to get easier and easier to convert yourself in every way away if you want to turn yourself if you WANNA like com make your make your skin darker you'll be able to make it darker. If you want to change the color of your eyes. This is the I don't know how far down the wind it is but it's certainly on the horizon we will. We're in a costume party where now if we want to change our costume seventy. I'll start wearing suits or some shit. I'll cut my beard outwear. Get glasses. We're going to get to the point where it's like. The whole fucking thing itself can very quickly be changed in in right now the people who are deciding having to do that relating to the sense of like Oh. I'm a woman I'm a woman now. I'm going to be a woman now and converting into that using a height of medical technology and whatever fair what hormone hormone technology this is controversial because the costume party. It's like no no not great we stay stay the costume that we became when we were kid period right. Don't fuck and change which is absurd isn't it because we're percents in primates and so we it is that that that's what when when I talked about drilling down you got there because in the David Bowie reference I think is like it's it's an oversimplification to say we respected an art well I would say more. We're like we have this tradition of you have to be an artist in order to engage in this frivolous behaviour and even then if Dave if all David Bowie had done was come out every week with a different look on and do we would start to treat him like garbage but what he had a way we remember his name and associate him with like style or whatever the fuck you call at coolness because he along with like other icons whatever the associated with that stuff like the artists that reinvent themselves over time they disappear and then they reemerge and there's a rhythm with which we respect that and it serious then you have this other culture I totally also respect but because we don't take it seriously which is costume culture we <hes> like so every single I even the the bank teller who likely that we would never hang out with not saying if you're a bank teller we wouldn't hang out with you. I've just conjuring a hypothetical person in a prison with whom we have nothing in common culturally that person and you and I observe Halloween we observe if you get an invitation to costume party or if it's just a game even calling it a game and then all of us like we we are able to apply that to our online behavior likely if if it's a game then we accept that it's <hes> it's okay to change your mind your face your your your approach and that I think is the McKee. It's a it's a you talked about it on on harm in town. It was sort of like you alluded to it as basically this could be the you that the actual apocalypse the thing that takes us out is the same thing that also maybe that's our salvation. which is this idea that we lose news hour grip on the costume? We were born into an Thanks to advancement in thought and with a big a healthy dose of Jesus Christ. Look what look what happens when you take this shit too seriously we we reached this kind of reverse. Volkan thing where we medically evolve into a race of people that <unk> don't consider who we are to be worth the faulk because like whether we have these arguments about nature versus is nurture. Guess what both of those have in common. You don't control them as we sit and we debate. We go like Oh do you. You think this guy is a serial killer because of his mom's jeans or because of what his mom threw it him when he was three <hes> yes that matters a lot. Let's figure that out but it's also important to note that we the larger like realization we need to have is right under our nose at like we don't really get to choose and then there's all this stuff that we do get to choose kind of maybe unless free wills an allusion whatever but like like like so yeah like we literally like guys in particular but really you just humans in general you get punished for changing your mind. You can't just like I just like we look at it. As weakness is like Oh yeah. I thought you said Batman man was a good movie. Now now now you're saying it's bad we especially would punish it if <hes> if we could nail you on A. Oh you said. Batman was a bad movie but then <hes> that red head over there by the punch bowl. I saw what happened. She said it was a good movie now. You think it's a good movie guys. That was like a very that's a big part of like masculinity as like you fucking. You're not authentic you didn't you weren't stubborn enough. You're not you're not real. You're you're fake your virtue signaling. That's the thing they call it like lately. Legally where it's like. Oh I decided the other day that I'd like people to like me and I'd like them to know that I'd like them to like me. You fucking fake pieces shit. Eh fucking spineless cock you fucking like N- vaporous non entity that can't be taken seriously look at my hard cock look at my backbone backbone. These things are real. They can't be hacked to be changed. I was born the way I am and will remain that way forever that strength strength and it's like it's extinction. I mean it's like it's not it. I I have the same visceral response to the idea of somebody that it does the changes when the wind blows as long as the person doing what you just said acknowledges. They're wearing a costume of a person who does that shit. It's way more interesting than a person who's forgotten. They put a fucking mask right and is standing at the Halloween party. You're wearing nothing yelling at everyone for acting like Dracula from TRANSYLVANIA DRACULA DRACULA because it's Halloween Eh. That's the problem is a bummer but we and we the really sad problem problem with all of this is the adherence to some mask. Thing is the punish and that we get punished for taking the mask off and in even saying like God. I didn't mean to wear the mask. I'm sorry guys I got lost and Being Dracula. I bit people at this party. I fucked up these Massar really unreal. I'm very imaginative. I'm very immersive person yeah. The mask actually injected like various like Nick Hormones and neurotransmitters into my brain giving me memories of time when I did live in transit and adaptable person if I was raised in the North Pole. I'd make a house out of vice if I was agent. Spartan I'd like I'd have a different definition of murder yeah I am. I am a human being created but yeah I think we should let ourselves off the hook for that as well. That's it to me. It's like not number. One answer the apocalypse thing. It's literally at least linguistically the apocalypse if we're saying the people at the Costume Party you'RE GONNA at least temporarily take their mask off to put a new one on. That's the lifting of the veil. That's what the apocalypse means lifting the veil in this case. It's the lifting of the mask ask and if we're going to change costumes. There's going to be a weird time in between where we're going to see whatever's under there. It's nothing it's nothing is but I don't think it is regardless. Problem is like Oh you know this. There's this like homophobic pastor who wrote a book which is filled with Homophobia and filled with all bullshit bullshit crazy jove level Christian shame shit and he realized that it was wrong and he realized he fucked fucked up back because this is a book that gets read at Youth Camps and Shit for Christians and he was suddenly in the worst predicament of all time because he realized Oh my God. I was wearing awful mask when I wrote that. Shit it's not real. I don't think I'm a Christian so he added the side. Do I come out and say this even though I'm going to get the people who love me and send me emails every day like thank you so much. You taught taught me the truth. which is I should not have sex before marriage and I know now why you told me that you you have to like disappoint legions of these people people they will hate you? They'll say the devil got into you and then also all the gay people whose lives you fucked up by recommending recommending. These people treat them a certain are going to be like fuck. You Fuck you. You want me to be like okay now. You don't get to be fuck you justice so what they eat clearly in that situation. It's Kinda easier to keep the fuck mascot and we gotTA figure out a way to like. Let people be start over yeah. Mask the mask wearing enough. We don't accidentally were holding up. The very thing that we're realizing is not so great. That's the problem to me is like God hi. Dan We gotTA figure out a way to like yes that Matt Suck. He was an asshole. He Bit Jake. The FUCKING KITCHEN THOUGHT HE'S DRACULA. He fucking bit a lot of us and well. I think you just hit on something a couple sentences back. I if I heard you right. It's like you kinda like sped by it but it's like really it's. It's like okay so here's the thing <hes> the our our mask analogy that we're drawing all this like clarity from aw there now. There's this other thing that we're not talking about. which is that in order to wear a mask? There has to be you have to are there. The mask has to be on on something and it's I just realized that it's changing of the mask that people perceive as weakness. It's the it's the root implication Haitian of being able to change the mask which is your. There's nothing under there so it's a cyclical kind of thing like even I can agree and maybe I maybe this is what I need to get past is no. There's nothing under through there or do. We have to find what's under there. Are we as humans are we children of of a deadbeat. God not to judge just characterizing his the amount of hands on intimacy than we share with them <hes> the the kids that with their feeling a lack of connection with the wherever we came from like are we have have we been all of this time just trying to wear his clothes and leg emulate in like that's why our obsession like ed you can reverse that if you're an atheist and say well that's that's the psychological phenomenon was projecting creating upon are gaining sentence trying to cope with the create these gods that represent the the the human condition and things like that so are are we in either case are we have. We Been Aping Aping what we what we have always believed. You're supposed to be if you're powerful which is decisive live and extent <hes> corporeal ago able to affect change <hes> <hes> and and we are we at is that the big precipice that were at where we have to accept our <hes> they have to aspire to <hes> non efficacy non. F- ability non <unk> extents so is that a word like like because I mean as climate change like that's what we're we're trying to figure out how to solve the Rubik's cube of making it seem like we haven't been here in a while. Oh Shit like but that that follows sixty thousand years of US expressing absolutely the opposite damn. I'M GONNA put a pyramid here like otherwise someone no one's GonNa even know I was here and and and now we're at this precipice in you know we're we're. We're kind of like I think. I don't think it's limited to that. We can see that clearly in climate change and I guess I'm saying like is that where we're at kind of psychologically on mass and spiritually and all the stuff where all of us as individuals and as a species she's like are faced with this task were able to go shit which which Campbell would allude to is like he would always use the example of the whole well he would point up at the lights for the kids that he was speaking to you and he would say these these bulbs up there well you. I mean if you identify with the bulb then you're going to burn earn out and that's going to be a crisis but if you identify with the light that's coming off of all of them than one bulb. Burning out doesn't mean anything and the trick is to start as a bulb gradually the shift your consciousness to it's it's cool. It's it's it's it's Campbell one on one but also like are we actually at this point where we have to lake if we're GONNA move forward it through the Internet has has like posed to us. It's like putting a mirror and a parakeet cages or worse like a rang a Tan cage where there's only like that has never seen a mirror dangerous what we've done. We've we've we've given ourselves the ability to ask what we are yet dad a thousand cycles per second and we is the way that we're going to survive by finally admitting that we are with here why well we're not saying that. If there was a mask there it's for the same impulse that there was a there was or wasn't a God that then did or didn't say let there be or not be a universe because the mask is simultaneously evidence that in the beginning there was nothing that we are or nothing underneath and also the most beautiful poetic expression the most important thing the will to be something. That's I WANNA BE DRACULA. Uh Dracula at Halloween Party. I'm not Melvin from accounting and that doesn't mean anything yeah. MY DRACULA COSTUME IS NOT GONNA make Melvin a better accountant and Melvin doesn't exist God damnit Melvin as another Dracula costume underneath that and that's not shameful because what I am is ah is a fucking child beam of a bigger beam. That's all it is algorithm. That says it's better to be anything than the alternative live and the alternative is very fucking real. It's at the core of everything which is nothing at all and so all hail the fucking Dracula Man Sir both respected and don't get don't don't overreact to it. I love it man. That's it articulates the bardot condition in between lives in Tibetan Buddhism. You go into this Bardo and in this place you're you're freaking out because you don't have a body anymore and if you haven't prepared for it at all you're really freaking out because you've done the near death experience thing where you've sort of the life review you've seen your body there and you've like witnessed the your your own death but then not just that now you're dealing with like having having no body for real and you don't get to go back to the body like you. Don't get to put the mask on. This is an eight hour acid trip. This is the mask off and now you're this sort native karmic momentum. That's moving through a house of mirrors which is just a projection of your Karma onto the mirrors except the mirrors. Don't just reflect your car. They become living beings that come up to you and talk to you. Torture torment you and so you get freaked freaked out because you WANNA body again because you're very vulnerable in this mask `less moment just a little ripple of Karma or moving through time and so then you're freaking the fuck out and and in that freak out session you end up coming back here and you. Maybe you'll come back as a human. Some people come back here like people running out of a burning building. Some people come back here with some intention describing these salvia youtube videos like real ones where people like Justin show me some of those Justin Roland like he's. He's like Oh yeah. There's a there's the silly salvia videos but then like it's like it's dark thing and Justin had done it. I never did it but he said Yeah. It's it's like it's ego death in it's it's like you're locked in a fucking coffin like you knew suddenly lose all st awareness of your existence like jestingly described like he <unk> like the idea idea of like all of a sudden being in a field and all of his friends laughing at him because he his whole life had been fake and the real them were like watching him this whole time but he did you see those youtube videos or anywhere people they the giggle and then they go into silence and then they you start like they start moving around and they're like moving around as if like in this panic because the movement isn't isn't accomplishing anything but they're feeling the effects of their body colliding with foreign objects they just don't know who they are why they are where they are her and so people just like climb out of windows seen it a like it that's. I watched it and I was like there was a spiritual component to that that was terrifying in the lakes terrifying him because that is sort of a metaphor for it's what you're describing. It's like this idea the idea of like if you were able to remove the Dracula mask and then the Melvin the accountant mask underneath like would you ever come back the death and you this is why yeah no you're number one. The real terrifying thing thing is like the reality is where the mask all you want like this is the mass ground you could say that human wear the mask but still you're thwarted by the mask wearing in the sense that functioning around you in in you is an infinite space. You're part part of and you're really focused zoom down in this one place neurologically but you know the truth. This is why it's considered confusion as a condition of enlightenment segment because if you really WanNa fuck up the whole game take your confusion of being mask wearing you know vampire and the human round and look at the part of yourself. That's aware of the confusion. That knows you're confused now. What's knowing you're confused. Anytime you get confused. There was a part. I'm confused. That yeah part isn't confused. It's clear fucking bell so confusion is considered to be just on the continuum of awakening or awareness or whatever so you really can't escape from enlightenment. Wightman is the problem and so but we don't want to deal with that so we're running into the mass grow or burrowing into matter and identity temporarily. There's no way we could stay here regardless. We're GONNA stay here for as long as we can imagining for a second that we weren't as fast spacious <hes> pro genitive sort of reality. It's like squinting getting to make something clear for a second but it's not really a or these things that you can do in nature where you can like you can and you can force yourself to have a if you're falling asleep at night and you know you don't. WanNa fall asleep. You can kind of like you can muster spasm of through through your shame of fall asleep and I don't want to be asleep and I got shit to do and it's like you can the it's. It's my first first existential gag. I've never that that they have never had a mix. That's so good. Keep going man but it but it's but it's I mean is sad ad I mean it's sad to us because we have a relationship with non existence as extant people that we think that existence is better. There's a it's be cute beautiful to think of it as like the cutest oblivion the idea that oblivion at the end of it is just like. Oh Oblivion doesn't WanNa be oblivion who wants to he wants to have a Halloween party well that's very sweet and and this is why like a lot and Buddhism the emptiness there that nothingness thing there really is like a lot of Buddhists are constantly trying to rework work that translation because it's like not the nothingness thing is like there is also something that's clearly these. These are these. These things are both here. There isn't just nothing as an everyone and also the nothingness thing is like the word itself is like gets translated and nothing other other words like luminosity <hes> the clear light or spacious nece or better descriptions nothing. This thing sounds terrifying when I think of nothing. That's I think a kind of dark black. Just it'd be like anesthesia forever situation situation whereas this is more like well yeah. There's a sort of spacious nece within which there's phenomena and you're both of these these things simultaneously so the anxiety and panic about like the lack letting go what you just said. It really didn't like me feel quite uncomfortable. This is a more of a result of kind of ignorance of the situation and said ideas like number one right now. This is why the human birth is considered. The best fast because animals are just pure instinct. They're not going to think about this shit. Maybe monkeys or something but you know they're they're. They're playing their. They're sleeping. They're hungry so oh they're realm is defined as ignorance and then <hes> the realm of the gods which is like on this earth would be like just. I don't know the people who like have infinite infinite infinite infinite wealth. It's more difficult to get into like taking your mask off in that situation because you're fucking you know who cares who cares what side of the microcosm of it being like me sitting at a bar with a phone everyone at the bar has a phone we get in arguments about who who directed Hudson Hawk. No one bothers to look it up now because that's not what's important because the reality is is like if you knew everything then you wouldn't be in a bar you wouldn't be in an argument. Hudson Hawk wouldn't be a good or a bad movie. It wouldn't have a directed it that idea idea that mounting the threat of nothing mattering to us seems like a threat but yeah. There's a we've experienced winced when you take mushrooms. It's like there's a there's a positive is like we we call it. We use different words for it. You're not entering drink oblivion when you're on mushrooms. You're gaining perspective yeah but there is a sort of it's like less and less matters. You like you don't take mushrooms comes in then LANC realize <unk>. How many of your taxes you need to file a you you you. You're more prone like like stare at a bathroom fixture. I think that's an expression of like well as well. Look at this as talk to my friends which is sort of like that's a beautiful awful thing when you're on Silas Ivan but it's like yeah I think that's because mushroom somehow puts you on the on the <hes> the the buyer's side of the market of the oblivion exchange yeah right so you're like. You're actually gaining from oblivion. Maybe you're you're yes you're there. Is You know it's there's one of the one of the concepts I've been taught as you know that thing where you come back in and so like this thing mushrooms. Also we do and go to sleep. We don't daydream thing where you're driving for thirty minutes and you realize where the fuck if you've been you're like you've gone twenty miles and you don't remember anything happen in that twenty minute period. We lose keys where the fuck where you when you lost your keys. You're gonNA write a certainly the key. The keeping part of you was definitely dead. Yeah you can just look back five days ago and think of what you were doing at two o'clock and really think about it. You remember that Toast Yeah Forget it's gone so this situation is like terrifying when it's like thought about moderate happens in intentionally but it's already happening all the fucking time and so ideas like but when we pop back in that's a really interesting moment and that's a moment of like that's the that's the return is what it's called so that weird moment where all of a sudden you go from the daydream into you a sense of like wait. I think I was something what is that. What is that moment and this is a place to like recognizes all to open your mind to that flickering in and out that we do is these fucking strange creatures that are like aquatic creatures in the sense that instead of living in the ocean we live in the great emptiness and yet for some reason we only think we exist we come up for air and this produces this hilarious society that we've we built in the place where you come up for air right and even though we're always going down? Dan Ryan Dancing. We think we think that life is we call real life the Cabana next to the pool but what are we doing. We're swimming. We're going in and out and in and out of the pool because it is the actual crossing of that threshold. That is the cricket cricket leg that that makes the sound that makes us alive. It's the friction the friction of going back and forth holy fuck. You're right. That's it. It's this alternating current <music> another metaphor like like how like you know electricity. It's a thing going back and forth right man. Yeah that's it and that that that just I think just that maybe just realizing that and we'll let it let that realization take care of itself breath. If that were to ripple out into society <hes> then I think there would be a natural kind of non fascist shift that might start happening. We would just need it to happen. The problem is that requires a person individual the problem slash the the double edged sword of the thing is that it does require a sort of individualistic approach to the exploration of the situation which people love her roic component of beating the Shinoda. That guy can't can't wait to killing to make fun of them. Have you heard about this guy. Ed's says we should all just chill out yeah. That's cool. No He's really popular. It's really gaining popular okay. I guess we'll get respect that and then there's mounting and mounting to fuck it a rip and test. You can't find counties of fucking Freak Monster Hypocritical cheats cheats on his wife and non fucking peanuts. I thought you were God. Where are you eating peanuts. Hey I never said I was getting shot out so you're just because there is a kind of grotesque fervent. See that comes out of you when you start just when I 'cause if like we're at a Costume Party and somehow ninety nine percent of his forgot we were wearing masks and suddenly you come down just enough from the Weird Costume Party drug that we all took before we put on the masks and get this great relief. Oh my God thank God I'm not Dracula. Holy Shit guys. I'M NOT DRACULA MASK HOLY SHIT WE are high so this fervently comes out and if people are still tripping balls at this crazy inter dimensional causing parliament of like fuck you man fuck you fuck your goddamned. sanctimony is bullshit. This is a costume party crap. Fuck it fuck out. If you don't want to wear I get it man. I've been the fucking screamer the Costume Party and certainly I've been the low vor of the megaphone verbal blasting the shit out in these aggressive ways. Both sides are like it easy to fall into and and it's just which is why I love this idea of like this is not a thing you need to bugle about and you certainly do not need to listen to someone bugling about their Matt unmasking because you're not wearing their masks. They bought their mascot the fucking Halloween store you bought your mask it fucking Sin Latex Aytac shop. It's got locks and buckles not gonNA come on your Rick Baker. You've been looking forward to this all a year. Yeah and you don't have to worry about whether your response to other people's bugling makes you a good or a bad person needs a change in the following ways whether you're on the path to enlightenment or whether we're all gonna worry whether we're all doomed. I guess I mean I mean what in the hell is going to happen. In the worst case scenario that's any he different than the best case scenario. If you pull so far back that all it is is a bunch of shit that was here and then it's going to go somewhere else and and so there you go now we can we can just hang out exactly and the relief of knowing that these fucking punks punks what am I fucking wherein robes and doing things the relief you get realizing. Oh Yeah we'll maybe but you don't have listen to them. They're just giving several directions like anybody else. They can tell you where the subway is. Maybe they can walk into the tunnel to get into the subway but you've got gotta get on the subway. If you WANNA go on the subway period just that realization the no one's going to help you and that's not a that you're in a hopeless situation no. No one's helping no one's going to get you. You are not going to be helped and so the costumes people wear at the party that look like they're fucking paramedics or whatever forget it uh-huh you gotta do it yourself. That's what I love. There's something really joyful in that because now it's you and your loneliness and you should be lonely because it's a lonely situation and then that's it and within that you can do the you can go see yourself see for yourself because no one's going to help you so give it up that you're gonNA get helped and if someone's out there trying to help with their fucking crystals in the styles in the fucking thing and the gyms and the bells whatever the fuck it is that's okay too. You know I get it. I've been helped by those people to some degree but the help I got culminated in a realization of like Oh fuck. I gotTa do it myself. There's nothing else to that and maybe if not for them you know guiding into certain degree till like look. It's a mass you see that right. It's I no one's going to hurt. No one's trying to do do anything to you that you can't supersede with your own control. Take it back to that guy was getting his box of oreo cookies and white guilt <hes> from Amazon <music> slash twitter all in one box like it's an invalid it is the time is upon us to <hes> figure out what we're going for going as for Halloween if nothing else like the game of you've of arguing with each other going. You're just trying to make me do this or think that is with music personally using my statements. It's like it's we gotta grow beyond. I gotTa grow beyond that late late like if I haven't proven by by now that can do whatever the fuck I want <hes> then I don't know what I'm doing and if I continue to protect that right or celebrated or set fire to it or relate to it in anyway as if it's part of my identity my ability to do whatever the fuck I want when really that's the special thing about any human in the world the least we can offer offer any anything <hes> then. I'm a I'm still on a bad person but I'm just waste of of an opportunity to ask myself. Who Am I wh- what am by? Who am I mean who am I not who am I going as for this particular a section of this Halloween party like and why what does that represent to me like what what's what's what's what's the thought there you know my little my little dracula maximize maximize the Tanjug idea called adding to the fire? It's really cool which is like it actually just fucking maximize the harmon maximize doing whatever ever you WanNa do. How far can you take it? What happens if you instead of thinking like Oh fuck this? Do what I WANNA do thing. I'm going to watch it or get all mindful mindful and let it be what happens if you go deeper and deeper into it intentionally is hard core as you can for a week or a day or whatever see what happens if you turn doc. How did you ever dial and if you do how far does it go up and keep turning that fucking thing up and then within that you get actually incinerates them ass? It's like being like yeah I possibly another way of saying this or it's an alternative I it's like also. Maybe you're done with that uh-huh. Maybe maybe maybe maybe got dialed to ten a long time ago or it's been at five for so long that you you know it's done its purpose and the new frontier has to do with other people not in an empathic leg. Daddy warbucks. Let me get let me go find some more of an Annie's way but like in in the sense of like it's a it's a different contemplating. Who am I like? The idea of me I talked to was on run funches podcast that I talked briefly about that idea of being like mirroring like being in the room that you're actually in with the people that you're with. That's something something that you have the privilege of doing if you've been yourself for forty five years you can now afford to to <hes> speak less reflexively to the people that you're with you can listen to them and and think think about what you've heard and like and then like pick your reaction from a from a from from an ironic compartment or spinner random spinner but but but in any case actually like think about it lately have fun with it be at the Party party as opposed to like I think I think what I tend to do just on a neurological level is like into over over use used the metaphor. It's like I'm a I'm the guy at the Halloween party who's like he threw together a dracula costume and he's there but it just he a my thought is on some fireworks celebration. That's supposed to happen in the backyard midnight and yacht that or or some girl that I came here to see or how she's GonNa feel about Madrid or or or the work I got tomorrow after the party in any case just absolutely not I am here. I'm at this party. I Am Dracula cost you like that that that's a human kind of habit we have Maria. We're all at a party and we're all looking around the room over talking to each other where half distracted because we're hating ourselves salves Lou wondering if we should be standing where we're standing this is to me like I'm do you have enough time by the way yeah I'm great great one US three. What do you think I do? If I leave here. Make season five of Ricky is. I don't know nobody wants you making. I got people that do that. Okay great okay cool so the aesthetic of the job. It's called folding. I heard is where are you look at your phone at the table when you're on a day really Russophobe so why is it called phobic I it was a blog because the fear is I've phobic or what is it like a different. It just sounds like a neck. I think it's why they call it fo- being it's like I'm I'm phone whatever you fo- fo- for phone yeah fo- being and so here it's become but its head stuck in my head. It's funny because I said they call it hoping like it some universal thing I read it on my Daily Mail. The the the I like it because it demonstrates that rudeness that we're already doing to each other minus the phone which is that <hes> you know. There's this cool idea that is humanity developed. The separation between conscious and subconscious became night night literally night and day so our sub dream at night in the day we have this thing called sobriety or whatever what default reality is but it used to be. The two or murked worked together dreaming what happened in the day. That's where the gods appeared. That's where the all the mythology happened. That's where the listening to the Lord or whatever it was the beginning of your neo cortex taking over so to speak and so now what we do is we have this imaginary phone in our heads. That seems to be a result of that which is where we can refer to. This interior phone wins the fireworks show. Does she think an asshole. Does he like my costume. Why did I come to of this fucking party? How am I driving how my driver was number checking that voicemail yeah it's all happening except it's our thoughts and so we've become fixated on the thought pattern AH during any engagement with any kind of reality at all your deeply into our thoughts but in the same way we're under our phones because I think a thinking thing is a relatively new dimension of human reality because suddenly now we're not we're like actually able to contemplate thank and it's fucking cool and he's fantasizing daydream? This is where we're at fixated on the thought patterns and so this is the difference between the phone and the thoughts is people. You can put your phone down. Turn it on sleep mode or whatever your thoughts we can't turn it off yet. Someone left it on our brain and even worse than that we started to think we were our phones except is in our minds that's to me. Is that sort sort of situation. which God damn I think on my thoughts and I gotta say because I think it's part of the solution rather than just again? It's like like we we realize what we're doing wrong and then the important thing that I'm learning in therapy is like okay and then but then you don't have to just fucking go such a piece of shit and we're always doing that like this species is yes. We're always doing that and then just reminding myself right now. As you're describing. I'm like yeah but you know like show me show me to species and tell me that one one of them is obsessed with its own thought and is constantly inventing devices and habits and patterns because all it knows is is that it's not quite comfortable with the way things just were and is trying to figure out how to make things the best possible for itself possibly Sibley even for other people and then and then you got this other Ding-dong over here waving its crab claw in the air or go. I grew a long neck so I the reach leaves like fuck off and I love. I Love Science. I mean I just like that is wholly the anxiety the neuroses the self loathing the the H- The bad habits the hypocrisy. It's it's all like it's like it's like love it or hate it but it's like God damn. It's like patriotic about it and a mile ethical level like it's it's. It's it's we we we we we invented that phone. <unk> acquired that habit <hes> through the same circuitry that might save us might might lied to US inventing the phone of putting our phone noun agreement and to me. That's these bugling fucking party ruin irs. They're the first to tell you can turn your thoughts off must learn to stop a thoughts. You're thinking no. It's like this beautiful. What you just said is it? It's to talk radio realize how Hooley Fuck I get to carry around in my fucking skull the most advanced computer existing in the universe that were aware of that's right above my netted still not enough the way we react to it is that we there must be more within this. I mean that's really that's a lot more admirable than being the ancient Rome of like in cognition and being like guess I'm better than a grizzly bear time to stop well but this is to me again a bad articulation of it by people which makes people don't thought shame they me like my brain is making these wonderful things but the the for some people the problem. Is You know we know one having a phone fuck you man. I love my phone. Don't don't don't get on me about my phone. It's the best thing ever fuck off. I came up when there ars commodore sixty four or if you wanted jerk off the porn you're going to wait an hour to look at J. Pag. Suddenly I can like just have everything I want immediately spread out on this thing don't phone yeah the the the the the people that wave of like like everyone's on their phone guy that pointed out at the at the lunch dinner the bar or whatever I'm like it. It probably would be a great idea to put their phones down but it's not going to be because of you. You're not selling anything more more exciting than a phone. How does that feel Jack and also like it's just like? Are you METALLICA. Do you hate napster lately like this is what it is. This is what's happening. We're becoming cyborgs like I would like the fucking prices right to not be playing on the T._v.. In the bar I would like the TV ripped off the the fucking wall because I would like to be in here in a dark cave drinking but I would also like to look at my phone while I'm doing it because I don't WanNa. I don't WANNA be compelled. Talk to the Jackass next to me and I guess we all got our little. It's the Hubris though because I don't I now. I'm just going to judge other people and I'm like I'm better though because I will sit and look at my phone and I never say everyone. Stop looking at your phone and I also don't go. Can we please turn the fucking prices right off. Why don't you go home? If you WANNA watch prices right at a you're in a bar so let me present a nightmare situation in this par- suddenly a man wearing fucking camouflage breaks the door. The bar down pulls out his gun and says everyone look at your phone. Don't look away. I want you on your fucking phone on. If you look away from your phone I'm GonNa fucking kill you now. Here's the deal I know what you're thinking but my phone's gonNA run out of juice actually no it's not I've chargers Jersey charging cables. Keep it completely ready twenty years. You will be doing the cave thing thing except with your fucking phone feel free. Look at whatever you want go through it but if I sending a text I'm going to kill you. Wait well because I think you could call for blacks. That's where the fucking stupid idea breaks down like great. I'll just text my friend to call. The cops is an idiot making us look at our but my point is with our thoughts this this is the situation as people don't know how to put it into airplane. That's all it's not bad that we have the fucking God's we love the thoughts thoughts create art the thoughts create like like I need to go to the grocery store. I should take a shit. I haven't Shit in the last four days. Let's go to a doctor. You know we need these thoughts but the there's there's a big relief in realizing that doesn't have to be the only thing you stare at that. There's a way to like experiment with like letting that not would be the primary identification of you. You are the universe you know and then so that's but I think a lot of people just haven't even I you know people make fun. The those awful bumper stickers like coexist like you almost have to like. I don't even know if you're way past rolling your eyes at those things I'm not I still still roll my eyes. When I see a coexist bumper sticker it's still like? Did you really like you want to talk to them and be like did you. Is this helping. Do you think this is do. Do you think anyone like a Nazi is riding down the street and sees coexist. That's like what if I but for real I remember in Asheville North Carolina years and years ago using a bumper sticker that said you are not your thoughts and I was. I just hadn't occurred to me. This is a long time ago but I remember like wait a minute. What does that mean? What the fuck is that? What will then what am I within? It produced a lot of great things in my life but just I don't think a lot it's occurred to them yet. They haven't thought yet maybe that thing rolling around in their head is not solely what they are and if it is solely what they are then great but they haven't done the experiment you know like wait. Is this told totally me. My thoughts is there. What's aware of the thoughts are the thoughts sitting in something thing? What are they sitting in? Who's the realize of the thoughts you know that that that exploration can produce a lot of people great relief because they're tormented by uh-huh yeah and you had said that to me a couple conversations ago it stuck with me? Is that that idea of like hey when you start to get when you start to spin out now you're having a any kind of thought crisis just thinking about the fact that what you're doing is observing your own thought and what a miracle that is a miracle. Maybe that's it's too carries too much significance to say but but like that is a thing to re- to to happen that the that that being able to think about your own thoughts is I don't even want to say weird but it's a thing and that you can then observe the fact that you're observing your own thoughts and then your suggestion being will now think about the fact that if you're if view if you're thinking and then you're observing yourself thinking then are you yourself and if you whether you are or you aren't as an observer of your own thoughts than aren't you new simultaneously your own thoughts and a thing that is observing them and doesn't that kind of make you isn't that bring you closer. If it's not a toning completely with the universe you know because what the hell could what else could you possibly be if you're looking at yourself thinking yeah well what yeah and it's a first step and the and the the beauty of that is that you could be sixteen years old and your thoughts about your thoughts could be shit if I don't stop stop being jealous. I'M GONNA lose this Prom Day. It's turning her off but I can't stop it that it doesn't have to be profound profound. It's like it's just a human condition that you're always in a spot of like God damn it. I'm like I'm over thinking it. Don't don't over think it but don't over think overthinking thinking in that spiral isn't something to steer out of you. Can you can follow it. Whip around and go look at me. I'm a fucking in not a fiddler crab. I'm like thinking about thinking about thinking that makes me God that makes me something. That's a little more spacious than my thoughts lots. That's for sure it gives you a very least. It's like giving you. I don't know a bigger house it means. I don't have means like you know you'd like. I can get to ask myself at my convenience if I'm genuinely homophobic or or or if I genuinely genuinely love my mother or if you you get to put it means everything's on the on the auction block yeah yeah and that that's because that is is like the you can't be compassionate until that happens because it how are you going to be fucking compassionate if you're to other people if you haven't like put as much as you can on the chopping block so to speak by just realizing like when I thought emerges there it is it's not your fault like just that like if you just spur like think of any fucking rotten thought you have had that thing that might spring into your mind. There's a hammer nearby and you're with a friend in before you can even stop it. The swamp gas thought rises up and maybe I'll just take this hammered smashed my friend in the what where in why but it's not as though there's a thing where like you know what I want to think a really shitty violent thought right now I want to sit here and think about smashing my friend in the knee with a hammer. It just came came up now. Our relationship with our farts is more healthy than our relationship with our thoughts. You know like you far and it's the worst part of time you might. It'd be like boy. I should have beaten that fucking Vegan Burrito that was bad. I knew because I'm I'm I'm there. There's not there may not be a third third party witnessing Zang. What's that smell but even relative yourself? There's an objective accounting and we are constantly committing the crime for standing in an elevator and the and the Fart is in our head. We just we can not only not smell it. We can just we can we can we can also not have dealt a bit for ten question here. I don't I can't turn what exit how to be. Who is the dealer we learn and when you start realizing because you wouldn't go to the therapist and said God three days ago I was in my car and I started and it smelled like someone ported diaper into an old bag of sun chips and it's just really really really driving me up the law? I'm ashamed of myself that I generated this stink and but dear God you have a thought this or that whatever it may a. b. and let me tell you we have crazy thoughts crazy thoughts in the most mundane thoughts and you will you can get really you can offend yourself and now you you could go into a neurotic spiral because you had this thought. What did I think hitting my friend in the knee with a fucking hammer? What's this latent violence in my life? Why is there late in violence? That's my life. That's a why do I keep smoking cigarettes. Why do I keep drinking? Why do I keep why do I keep a raising my voice? Whenever someone challenges my sense of control why would they mean gene to the nicest person in my life that she gets into like I keep doing these things the Andras you keep having these thoughts and you're not smelling them and you're not accounting for them in the coolest thing that I've learned in therapy because it's like it? It's like I love learning that if something something doesn't take any work is that all you have to do is be aware is practice increasing. The awareness is smell your own farts arts. That's neuro plasticity because if you're smoking cigarettes and you're not thinking about it your one thing is probably not going to happen. Is Anything other other than than smoking. I'm an and but if you you simply think every time you're smoking a cigarette think there I go again again. Smoking a cigarette and you don't have to tack onto it because I'm a piece of Shit you just have to go. I'm about to smoke a cigarette and I must love it a lot or something. I don't know the road flare my therapist characterizes as like practicing practicing slowly but surely you're just gradually increasing the nanoseconds between <hes> <hes> <hes> one thought and perhaps the reaction or stimulus and the response or two thoughts that are particularly always chained together. I I look at it like <hes>. If you know how roads are formed because someone's going from I'm like rift geography. Someone's someone's going from Dresden to Rome and you know over time like like like people are going to be walking over the same shit but not only that but then if you you see a path and then the rest is weeds wouldn't really matter at that point if there's a faster way from from Dresden to roam the faster way is the fucking path because there's less tigers leaguers unless brambles that may be a very winding weird road but over time it becomes the way to get to Rome and the fastest one yeah and a and that this neuro plasticity concepts of being aware is the metaphor for it. Is You just make more stops as you're walking the Rome from I'm dressed in stop. You have a picnic picnic as a nanosecond long and it because you increase the chaotic chances chances that after you pack your fucking Picnic Basket backup maybe this time just like the first fucking guy that walked from Dresden to Rome did head. Maybe you'RE GONNA pick your own path just randomly. Maybe the the more you stop along along the way you don't have to be noble or strong or willful just pause and even that sounds like it takes work work but like just thinking about thinking increases the odds of new branches of thought Dan. Thank you man for coming on the show. I'm fucking trying to get me out of here. I don't want you kidding. I'm kidding three anything. They blew. They blew yeah. I know you're like dude we did it and I just wanted to ruin your received. The point that for the ruined ruined orgasm ah it's just a smirking woman going twitching dick support man you are genius. Thank you for your brain rain in your mind and spending time on the show thanks for having me and I wish I wish I wish the two of us were less less psychotic so we could ever talked to each other without engaging in our performance of <hes> Dracula Masks Dracula working great. I'm just saying don't you think it's Kinda. I didn't mean to shame it. I just think it's funny like we share that. 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Amy Grant Made My Puberty and My Atheism Happen

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Amy Grant Made My Puberty and My Atheism Happen

"Check one two one two. What's that shiny hat? I like that is trying on the house. You can we all get? All right. It's January seven from the data tap Strobe chapel doodles. It's. Parmesan is now in session. Let's welcome outs. Our game master Spencer Crittenden everybody. What you got? And that man oh school supplies. Pencil shaving. Let's bring out a mayor, shall we? His name is Dan Harmon. Oh boy. Happy new. It's good to be back. I really missed. You. Guys, we missed each other. I miss doing this. Yeah. John sorry. I tell you keep the beat going be good. Good. Just do this doing this as much as your momma's cut the beat off the okay? Break break to be back. Pussy. Yeah. Do it more like an iron maiden like more like rock? Push. Power from the devil. Push. I couldn't be masculine. Then. Pussy pussy the section of the abdomen. That is Lou -tated. Get outta here, egghead. I'm sorry. Push. You invited me to the recording outta here. Push. Now now the ice tea like fill of eight it's not business. It's personal win. I eat your pussy business. Come on it off what MC gun control think about eating pussy. Again, control. I'm sorry. All right. Welcome back. Everybody. God damn it. Like, you know, all the fantasies. You have in your head of like, let's start doing the podcast again. That's just all goes to shit. The first five seconds. Do this do that. Now, we did it. Now, it's all back to being jaded again. Oh, no. Thank you. I get engaged. Yeah. And always obviously, a divorce like kids can't relate to this like like. I'm sure there are ton of people in the theater that are on their third marriage. It's it's LA after all, and I endorse you like, I think like us marriage as an expression. Express yourself like like let me see what you do on your eighth marriage. But I think the typical person is like no marriages for keeps. And that's why I hate it. Or I love it or whatever I never saw myself as a divorce say I loved my wife like I propose to my lovely lovely wife. My partner, my best friend. We were together for a probably record minimum amount of time for like, whoa mistake. And but I always I was like I would say the Cody like, look you wanna put a ring on this finger like do it. But the one thing I can't do is be like will you also marry me? That seems problematic because it's like the proposals coming from the one guy. That's like you're already established that your opinion of who should be married is flawed. Is this logic nut tracking like don't get married and then get divorced. My therapist said the same thing, which is not really because it's disrespecting your. But I'm like, no fucking. You. Gotta do it. This time. Cody proposed to you on this one. Right. That's what I'm saying. Is that I'm like get a hold out for that this? She should like get down on the need to the whole thing. Yeah. She did. She almost drowned. It was. 'cause it was into Heaney. And she was she picked her spot. And she did the thing. And she had rehearsed it, and she was up to her neck and water. And she proposed to me I knew it was coming eventually. But didn't knows coming? There. Are you going to take the name Hillary, you're gonna keep harming I think it would selfishly I would like to take the name Heller because I would like to die. I've been through this whole thing. Like, I consider very therapeutic like a woman down on her knee and said. Would you marry me? And I was like only fuck I knew this was happening. I knew this. In and I'm like holy shit. It's happening now. And then I'm like, honestly to be honest and share with you. This is not a binary decision. You make. However, it gets reduced if somebody says to you at the halftime show of thing. Like, the alternative is. No, I won't marry you. There's there's a little bit of a push there where you're like. Yeah. Of course, first and foremost. Yes. And but there's a processor in the back of your head where you're like what's happening. How is this going to work your UCB training kicked into this point? I think everyone's training kicks in everyone doesn't need training. That was the start of thing in my two. He should be where it was like in the background share this with Cody at all shared it with my therapist. But I was like every day since I said yes to this proposal. I had been confronting the things -iety. I was like a woman just propose to you. And you said, yes. And what have you given up? What are you doing? What's going on in? It made me kind of go through these thoughts in my head where I was like well first of all now, I can get as fat as I want. But then countered I was like no you now have to get sinner than you've ever been. There's a voice from down here somewhere. Like, he's not saying anything. They disagree with your your your license to speak is too liberal. Curtail it. I it's striking me. Even though you're saying exactly everything I'm thinking, I fuck us. Silence. Respond zone is in my. But the get up my butt, sir. I started thinking in my head. It was like an emotional thing. Whereas like oh shit. Like when a guy proposes to a woman the guy it doesn't matter like remove all of your politics about who pays for what? And all the stuff like the bottom line is that a guy is like thinking about it. And then buying a ring, which is what Cody had to do. And like it's just that power of like when you hit the buzzer. I knew Cody was gonna propose to me I was in love with her. I wanted her to propose to me. I didn't know it was going to happen then. But that makes it like it was like shit like. She gets. She gets to hit the buzzer in the game show of like, we're married. She told me, she's I should I. I don't wanna hear that. You got to weigh in. That's awful. I told you don't do it. But it was like it was like there was this. There was this thing of Zion hanging over me. I don't know how it had to do with. I've been married, and I fucked it up. I don't. Post to her if she hadn't done, I don't know if I would have I told her told everybody within shouting range, it was like, look, I love marriage. So I propose to my ex wife. It didn't work out so good. Therefore what right? Do I have to? It felt like it's like what does it mean? For me to get on one knee and say, hey, you know, what? I go to feel in this one's I got it certainly to me there's an elephant in that room where it's like. Yeah. But what do you know? I you're the one guy in this exchange that doesn't know whether or not you should be proposing to someone you already did it. And it was always an open joke between Cody because she's she's like what if I ever proposed. You the day you propose to me you fucking automatic. Yes. And love you. I wanna be with you for the rest of my life. But that and that's sort of what all couples are in a sense. Like, it's not like, hopefully, there's not a lot of couples where someone's like, by the way. Shitter get off the pot. It's a good we perceive it that way. But the truth is that you're like you. It's more of a continuum. And so that's why like I said, of course, I said, yes. Because of course, the answer's yes. And then for the next two days unbeknownst to Cody I was sort of like in my head. It was like. Why do I feel an easy and the answer is because this wasn't? I didn't. I I'm missing the way. You miss your wallet? Or your keys. I missing my agency. I it's not like this isn't what I wanted. It's just that. I didn't. I'm like I've been shocked like cord of like something that doesn't protect me. Anyway, it doesn't matter didn't want it. But it was like it's gone. I didn't it was at even knowing wanted it. And then I started thinking my head. It was like why don't you run through some exercises? Like like, what's your worst nightmare is like, okay. Well, I am I've been taken. So it's my job to serve this woman for the rest of my life. And that actually kind of made me start like I was sort of like like I was thinking in my head. It was like what if you were like property what if you had been taken what if you had no agency. What if somebody had looked at you and said, I want that. And you're like, okay. I'll okay, I'll let you take that. And like, I don't want you to leave me. So I guess I'd better be on my toes from now on as opposed to this other. I wonder if any woman here could relate to that feeling. That's my point is I was sort of like in doses of sort of lake subjecting myself, and the and the more I pushed the weirdest Topi narrative where it was like what if you actually were just a slave. What if you were a servant what what is your nightmare? What is the worst thing? What do we fear about? What are these symbols? Represent ring on your finger like ring on my finger doing this. I take that. My father pays for this. You've I you gives you away. What transactional stuff and then like like thinking about like, my part of it and going like what if I was like a damsel? What if I I it came out? I liked it. I was like oh like like. Yeah. Get get like, this is the good side of the equality thing. Like, yeah. Fucking. I don't wanna I don't wanna deal with this shit like doesn't every guy want like installs like aren't insults. Complaining about like, don't like the like how women are just giving me sex. Like, what do you think they'd be happy? If like we lived in a world where women could like walk up to them and you in so. Shoes you? Cheekbones? Can you make breakfast? Would they be willing to like jiggling meet them halfway a little bit? Because according their website now. They don't they want a world where women are like you can get them in the mail and stuff but somewhere in the middle. There's like partnership where it's like me lately, which I really I really like that feeling. All right. Let's move onto something else. Thank you for credentialing me on my engagement happy to. Yes. I will. I do I will take we'll take her name because I kind of don't like Dan Harmon anymore. It will it won't be because I'm like a feminist. It'll be because I don't link myself. I it'll be me conveniently going like that guy that sexually harassed lady and politics for it on NPR. He's dead. I'll just Dan Hillary's in the house. I kind of like that idea. Let's call it. Hell our town. Let's. You have to change your monogram your towels. Let's the same still h silty people that really respect me of only ever called me D H. That's that's the bottom line. When you see jet walking down the road, go. Hey, D H. Yeah. Can't get there. There. So do you guys think you're going to get married to now it'll be she's so lazy? It'll be. It'll be a million years. She was so excited about proposing. Good guy and making like, she'll be I bet I was I was I'll be honest. I was stunned by the feminist triumph. I was really taken aback. That's all she wanted. She's done. That's the thing. It really I was even know how to feel about this. Now, if we get married you wanna it'll be five. It was awesome of rob shroud will be officiating. We'll be in death valley between two rocks. Like, it'll it'll be there'll be people there. What if you love each other so much that you just name each other shrub? You become den. And Cody shrub. Good. Yeah. I I love prove your love. I would love to prove my love. Okay. Let's talk about some stuff. I happy new year. It's been such a long time. Okay. Loud stealing family on boat. Sounds like a hot one. Let's let's start with that one. Let's go to hear about that. Okay. There was a fucking in seen Lee loud. Sneezing family. As we came back from Tahiti like we went to this island. Like, we got on the return boat. Like you got to go back to the time. Your dream is over it's time to stop you. Go back home now. So you're getting back on the potent at this just like and you're back on the vote with whoever's whoever else's dream is expired, and there was this family, and they're just like they're they were from Dallas, I gleaned that. But it's like Cody was like. How how like what is the point of a sneeze? If you haven't sneezed it yet. Because there was this this person back there, we didn't. They're just like. They were just sneezing so much and the only part of the story is that we went through what we perceived as this whole like journey where we're like we're trying to get back, home and. Americans are. I experienced just a small taste of like, I think we're a little privileged because we were in the middle of like a the navel of the world where like English is not exactly like the it's not like everyone's panicking. If they don't know what the fuck you're talking about where I'm really, I don't think I've ever travelled outside of the American hegemony, and I going to Hiti you kind of inter French hegemony where it's like, look everyone's big English. We get it. But. And the truth is like I am property of French hegemony. So I have a French accent? And I will speak to you. And French if because you're like this first world person, if you if you're like, I don't know French you're like can I play Minecraft in my room? And they're like who the fuck are you you're a monster? The airports are like speaking French over speakers, imagine that nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like magin an airport that didn't speak English. I like big like I was like holy shit. No wonder everyone just crowds the gate instead of letting me take my first class seat. The reason I bring it up is because there was this family that like the, but they're just like hacked shoe hatch hatch, you this guy was kept sneezing and coding goes really shit. We're like, I can't I don't know. Like, whatever, it's it's all good. Like, I don't know. What's happening? They called my name. Did you get your name called on airport? Terrifying. But I'm sorry. You're very excited. You're like, you're. No, nobody's name is. All right. Happened to me. Once did you vary? I was with you guys Crittenden where you come up this credit report to the thing for whatever. And you're like thinking like, I gotta run. Oh my God. I gotta get out. Let me oh my God. I made interfering with the over fucking thing. So like now now imagine like a like a break French airport right in the? I just don't know where the parody begins and the satire ED's. I just just keep his button it up. I it's you're like a ventriloquist dummy in a twilight zone movie, I am I supposed to three you across the room. Is it going to turn out that I was you the whole time? Just just just just just watch just watch and just ticket easy Millikin here. What you're hearing to. Oh, really? Okay. Well, there's a guy on that keeps saying things that are not joking every line knowing I don't get shoes. Like the left one of the right one. All right. So. Diers voice. It's like it's like I could tan. Us. No, Jan hormone, Dan. On. Five dollars. No. But that's suit terrified. It's in another language. All right. Well, obviously what happened. You can't doing. What are you doing? I was I was creating magical comedy. Now your appeal. Two years. You're trying to connect with people. You're doing great. You're doing admirably given the circumstance up against shit Taino. No, you're you're all we every night. You're I mean every Monday night, you're absolutely up against shit probably other nights too. But definitely Monday nights. I'm seeing it right now. Palpably? Yeah. Yeah. So the French airport a French controlled airport. Somebody he'll down Harmon. Dan, Hartman scary. It's like so hard to getting through a go up to the counter like cody's back there. Like, they call by name names never been called. Like, I always thought that they called your name. It was because like you weren't there for something or you were going to lose your seat. And it got all the way up to the counter it was so I mean, the amount of people whose lives I- impinged upon bags hitting babies heads because I'm like, I'm like, I don't understand got. Everyone's like standing just standing because all they know is that the people are speaking in French, and what they're saying is that the plane's gonna take off. And so everyone's just compressed like a fucking like LEGO sculpture like, and so you have to like you've actively mush through that if they go like, Dan hormones and hormone, and I'm like, I can't. All I have no choice. I would never do this to anyone. I I ran my American Express card. Name my assistant, did I like, I don't I did this. I subscribed to a cheer of human experience. That doesn't involve me ever touching you. Or you touching me. I am in. I am like trying to bustle. Like like every single human being is like has a right to look at you. Like, what are you doing you horrible ferret? Like, why are you fucking machine me and touching my child's head in like fucking like I just wanna say all of them. I don't want to do this. They called my name at the desk that says whether you can get on the plane or not just like oh excuse. Civil plays about your baby's head the sorry and someone took a shit on the floor. And it's cause and they get all the way up to the thing. And they're like. You call my name, Monsieur hormone. Yeah. They're like just checking. For real. I swear to Christ. They literally said just checking. Were they worried about you? No because they said like just checking. Like, I'm feeling Liam Neeson's taken like is Cody like part of a white slavery ring. Now like, I left her. You don't understand these airports are on American. Downright french. You know, the. They're toast is weird. Even. Soft. We like hard toast. American toast. We call it. I may never. It's weird. I look American. I love it too. That's soft shit got no maple syrup. Yeah. But it was the reason bring that was in that position than we like we sat down eventually in this terminal really like God damn place keeps you on a razor's edge. Like, you don't know the language. So you're like listening. Win the people are speaking English over the intercom it's already muddled near like for me. I'm on edge. All the time. I don't understand what the fuck you're saying eat the fucking, Mike. What are you saying? Leila of fine skull fair. The army's at this point time with black tips. Seve? Stand up right now over here. Vietnam. One's and everyone's just like. Understandably goes, look I understand like hierarchy in one of two ways. Either either everything's taken care of because I have no Tommy or fucking like nothing's taking care of. Because I have all me your airlines tell you everything you have no autonomy. And nothing's taken care of day. Tell you that'll be three hundred bucks to go to Seattle. If someone pays three thousand bucks. They have a right to tell you. You're a piece of shit. We're not gonna police it though. Like now boarding knows. Twenty two point champs. Moves Kabu now mention that French, and then I'm like a sitting towns gives me so much fucking Zaidi. And she's like coding. Well. The one Sunnyside of the street is at least we're away from this fucking sneezing peop-. Sitting legal airport terminals, the seats are back to back like the absolutely. Of course that families traveling with you they're on their way to the fuck in America. It was really funny. Look we got off on the run foot. It's two thousand nine hundred. I'm glad to be back. I had a hard time traveling. I don't like other white people. I guess I don't know. What what point is? You hate airlines airlines. A lot of people have anxiety when they're doing air travel. And so you're expressing your anxiety about what a lot of people have anxiety about on all of us travel. We all have a hard time like you're subjected to obviously a dehumanizing event in. I guess I guess I'm speaking from place of privilege or whatever where I'm like, you know, I don't get it. I only leave my house for one thing. And it's like, and then I always like go. Hey, send them a million dollars in advance. Like when I get there could they just treat me like a fucking like something above a mosquito. And the answer is always like absolately not know like happy to take your money very enthusiastic about. Oh, did you want the leg extendable package where you can extend your human legs to a point where you don't actually sustain permanent of damage shirt. No, no, no. That's a million dollars. We'll take that million dollars. Thank you so much for fine. American airlines. We love your million dollars. Remember where the airline where you can extend your legs a little bit. And then you get there. And they're just like, hey. Are you fucks going fucker you soon? Take your fucking shoes off and get the fuck back in line. You piece of shit, and you're like, whoa. Fuck in paid a lot of money. And they're like that's not us. It's sad that you fucking shoes off. And I'm like, okay. I get it. It's the government. That's cool. That's fucking cool. That's all right. Still little bit bag and for the each airline. They pick and choose whether or not you get two years. My shoes gut a people. Go to go. You could stay zipper. Check. Fuck it in. It's humiliating, and it shouldn't be required necessarily to go. Visit grandma for Christmas. I don't they've tricked us into thinking that they're doing a favor, but there's money changing hands. So where's the favor? But you you have an irrational hatred of airlines, I have an aggressive hatred of airlines because if I'm gonna dot and I am. I would like. Oh, I didn't mean like Frederick seconds lows. Sorry. Okay. Let's walk through this lately. Hey. Anybody? You like this podcast, right? Like, some people pay for the podcast you paid to get in here. Right. So like. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna put you in a metal tube. And I'm going to fling you into the air. And if you even talk I've talked to like aerodynamics engineers because always like for the fuck is going on. How are we in the air? I know you're you're talk to like a person that went to school for the shirt go like, well, no, it's it's really not that big a deal. The the big things on the wings. Like, they suck in the air. And they push it out the other side. That's how you stay there. Would you wish the air coming? We'll you're in the air a paper airplane. It's like a paper airplane. Past past pass. Well, then you good, look, I guess your grandma's gonna die without talking to you. Okay. I'll get into fuck. It. I to get into flight to my grandma. Just of course, I have a choice. It's like it's like every every industry I'd like to go visit my grandma which airline treated me. Well. Again, everything you're doing is exactly what I'm thinking. Stop stop. You can't go to an airport and go I like every industry that did this. They would be outlawed. You can't go to an airport and go Mike grandma died. I need to get to Seattle by Nanak like any other industry like five companies would be like hit grandma died like get on the fucking grand caravan. Like, we're going to give you a face mask. We're gonna think and other price-fixing thing would be like they would compete with each other. I don't mean to be a libertarian, but fuck you like like don't fucking give an industry like the ability to not compete with each is, Dan. Honestly, I are you admit that you just nervous traveler, and you're freaking out about the fact that. Yes travel is is tedious and lots of hoops to jump through. But you're just a nervous traveler, and your how is that different from being a nervous eater? Are you nervous? If you go to restaurant, and you go like, I'm sorry. Like, I don't want to eat something that's going to kill me. Me or I don't wanna I don't wanna eat like something has a bunch of bones. Are you the asshole if the restaurants like, yeah? Well, fuck you you wanted to eat. It's three o'clock fuck off, and but that's not parallel to what you're absolutely parallel. If I if I want to go to my grandma's funeral, and it's in Texas, and it's time I have absolutely no choice over which airline travel on. I don't have any choice at all. They have a monopoly. They're not. It's not about your nervous about traveling and beyond. I don't want to die at the hands of fuck like I like I want. I want the skies to be filled with planes. I I want I want to go to the airport, and I I want I want people to be standing outside the airport and be like, hey, man. Hey, where you going where are you going? Let me hook you up. What's going on? Here is going grim. Adana get you there. Come on tell you. What you go. It will hold on a second. What's this guy said it's like you'll manual grandma died a fucking hook you up. Like, let me tell you what we're showed a Steve Carell movie. We're gonna fuck and rub your feet like I wanna fucking shop around. It's un-american, right. Spilled so much vodka during this. It's good. Good. By this. No. Agree. Sandwich. Literally like, I understand Draper injury. Your body. You're spilling so much selling you worried about right? You're because you visit your children in Seattle, but you'd have no choice, and then you get on the plane. I thought so peak when I saw them suffocated dog. I was like well that oughta wake up a few Senate hearings are Dan fucking kidding beat a man half to death and dragged him off a plane. These are terrible corporations they get together. And compare just later. Say. I can't hear. Terrified. It you traveling. You hate being at an airport. You hate being on a bike. Can it be both who loves them? I like why is it? Why should they be able to take money from you? Then turn you loose against each other. Like like win Bisco says to half the population or thirty percents of population. Hey, welcome to a new white chocolate juried experience. Like, they don't say, hey, do you like white chocolate? It will take your money. Give us a subscription to chocolate. And if you wanna make sure it's white fight the people that like regular chocolate just fight him for it. Because it's first come first, I almost certain metaphor holes up. Like, the airline industry is the only sheltered totally non capitalistic like fucking sheltered weird bio dome, where classes society is allowed to afraid of flying. Just say thank you, both by the way. How do these fucking sixteen the air? That's the ultimate outrage. You're selling a dream. That's giant metal Sydney the air. Why can't it be both things? Yeah. I fucking travesties. I sling shutting say take it back. You love flying. You love. I don't I love being on the plane mine crafting likely. It's true. You're just terrified of travel or being around other people, you terrifying. But that's being crammed into a small space with other people. But also, he's impressed by corporate entities. That are conspiring to fuck America. I've never seen. That dance before they are hurting people. They're beating them up and killing animals demand. In punched his face until his face was bleeding and dragged him off a plane and the corporation that did that is doing just as much business as early empowerment to do this that doesn't fuck with you when you're like listening to their safety video that doesn't fuck with you a little bit. Push comes to shove, literally you will have police come on board the plane and drag a man off the plane like and then they're like don't forget to blow your poff. If we if we if we fucking have an oversight come on, man. Like like we. It's like we Jim into a middle to shoot us like a lawn jarred across the country. Like, we gotta do it or grandma will yell at us lately. So we gotta do it. And then you can't you don't get a choice when you're like your grandma's sick. And you you go online and you're like my grandma's sick. So I got a got go to from L A Seattle. You don't get to fucking shoes. You definitely do not get to choose like how you travel like they. Your though say this airline will go from Seattle. And like they'll fuck in light. You they'll go like you can't even like imagine the ship. That's variable. Like, you go like I'm gonna go from L A Seattle, the see my grandma get buried, and then you're like, I'm going to bring my to see your grandma get married, and then you get on the premises your going to grandma get married. Barry get on the plane, and you're like bear fuck to plug in my laptop. I thought I thought I could plug in my fucking laptop and you're like or broken flight attendant, and they're like what? What? And you're like I just can't plug in. It doesn't work that way. Fuck off you piece of shit. And you're like, okay. I guess I guess I fucked up I guess I just fucked up maybe the model of plane leg maybe shouldn't fly anymore. Maybe that's not your thing. No, those are my choices like I should not fly anymore or I should be love the company that's been assigned to me. That's great. Hey, maybe you shouldn't drink water anymore or Tang fucking take it the way Nestle gives it to you. Yeah. It makes sense. If you want to travel across the country, which could mean the difference between getting fired or promoted, maybe you should if you're so passionate about whether or not you don't want to be treated like an animal. Maybe you shouldn't fly that makes sense. Like, hey, maybe if you don't like technology, just why don't you write a horse around in a circle? Well, everyone takes a train across the country. Yeah. Let's look your side of the argument doesn't need any fucking support. It's called entropy. Evolution could call it. Whatever you want. But it's the side that doesn't need any help. I'm over here with the other people getting sneezed on and going, okay. Okay. It's all chaos. I like, I'm like, yeah. You know, what be nice is if airline companies were like oh shit. We're going to go out of business unless we treat these people like human beings fucking zag nut faster, hold themselves to that standard. Are you kidding? We don't wait. Wait, wait rock may through that get a fucking refund. Anybody if you make socks tuna shares anything like there is literally one industry that where they're like. Oh, did you get a suffocated dog shit? So sorry anyways Heyman sold to the there's one industry that's allowed to do that the airline industry. That's it. And they have that like, I always bristle in the speech or the video where they're like, you know, you got legally comply with all commands that means like if there's someone on the power trip was like, hey bark like a dog you piece of shit. Like, technically speaking by the law. You would have to do that. Otherwise, they could then call security to beat you up and drag you taste out of a Bill out of the plane. I don't I don't think that'll ever happen. But when I watched that stuff, it's like, yeah. That's what they're saying is. Yeah, technically speaking, we will tell you whatever you want you to do. And we'll beat you up which I mean is the law. It's it's scary. Lines that their safety. Video is a rap or like this robots. And if you see something coming out of the air, you have to a life vest under your chair. That straight Virgina like even. I we all sing along this isn't saving anybody's lives. This is absolutely mad used to talk about that a little bit. Like, you know, they they make these videos like virgins was good. I was I would watch that for with it or I'm not creatively. But I'm like didn't make any mistakes the people in charge of whether I live or die sought to make a little choreography thing. And I'm not seeing any evidence that translates into Jesus Christ. How are you going to get the landing gear down compare that to what's the one where it's like the George Gershwin thing where they're like are. No, no, what's the one. That's like the rip off of Michelle Gondree. What's the airline? That were the brunette flight attendant is like is that American if thinking might it's like a Michelle Gandara thing where she's like the like, very charismatic brunette. It's like, hey, welcome to whatever this airline is. She's like now, let me walk you through it. And then she walks through. And it's like the stepped out Gandara esque thing where there's like stop motion involved, but there's also like lie. Of action. And it's like, but it's like, you're watching it. And you're like, oh, they fucked up that take. So then they just short cut it in them. Like, what are they gonna do if we fly into a mountain? All right. Like, you're inviting me to make that scrutiny like don't don't don't fucking all you gotta do is like have a person like on the video screen go. Hi, my name's Gary, I'll fly playing up on this. Do it safely. If during that video he's like kind of Gerry, I promise to fly your Flaine flame. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck take it again. And they keep it in. I have a right to be like what the fuck am. I I do deflated general. Well, he's not an actor. He's a pilot. I'm like, yeah. But your company doesn't give. I we're flying from somewhere to somewhere like over the Rockies and the guy I think relieving out of either like, Nevada, Arizona and the guy. Had cowboy boots on and he was pilot and he got in there and he's like Yosemite. Sam. Have you gotten any goes there's never one we're going to go through some extreme turbulence. So I want you to put your seat belts on what you to strap them in real tight because we're you're going to be bouncing all over to join. Telemetry from the three planes a head of us. We're going to go through some real tough stuff. And this is not a joke. He goes put your put you seat belts on strap them down low. And and he wasn't joking. We were we were fucking all over the joint. I and he was his he kept laughing during I wasn't lying to you was. I love that. That's a good pilot. I we had seventy Sam at the fucking like when they don't say anything it's like like like coming back for GD. It was like fucking everywhere. And I would Cody was out like a light. And I was like oh my God. Like, the pilot would come on and be like it could McRae. Linda. Mr. bean Jerry Lewis in like like, I don't know what this guy saying he might be like I got to admit to you a little bit afraid right now, his tone of voice was just polite and French, and I was like everyone was asleep. And I'm like, my the only one that knows we're going to die. I do need. I I was listening to a radio lab about were the world today, and they touched on just this idea of the patriarchal kind of like the idea of the news industry, the male father figure going first of all everything's fucked. Second of all it's okay, I'm in charge, and how that's being solely created that with the news industry and things like, you, you if you heard a woman's voice like you have to ask yourself, if you heard a female pilots place, like it's a psycho sexual like thing to ask yourself. Like what what do we need from news, anchors pilots and things like how much are you being sold? You have everything to fear. But. I'm here with you. I'm Lou wolf Blitzer. Like, you're gonna you're about to if lash in the background. I I would love Yosemite. Sam guy going like, this one's happier. I do need that. Because I I was like a lion charge of win. Something goes wrong. Which is what the good horror movie or narrative does. She takes your takes your guardian away. I told the story before about the time I thought we were going to crash a plane, my friend, Frank, hey, but do I think we should hear a drink. Will you tell it? The theme of the story was that you're amazing, and you don't fear death. No. I'll take it to the van of it was a we were going to land in Chicago, we couldn't. So we went to Indiana. I if I told the story thousand times, I think just once once twice, but just to go to the very end. It was the women that were the flight attendants on board that made everybody feel safe, and we felt secure and happy because these women that were like veteran like flight attendants have been through it all we if they're not nervous. We're not nervous. And when we landed the woman came on the common said. We're back in Indiana. Oh my God. And that's that's what we all shit. Our pants. Oh, she was nervous to sheet where we thought we're going to die. We thought she didn't think we're gonna die that she thought we were going to die, and she is a fucking bad ass. Like, she's John Wayne from fucking them looked at the longest day. We all we all thought we were going to die and she told us, so the very God it let it go. It's gonna go. Hey, Dan, Jeff, Spencer. Hey is this still the podcast? What happened? It's like the podcast. But it's like we went into another dimension. I'm talking about underwear. Dan, me undies. Do you guys know how soft these things are feel the stretcher? Oh shit. That's not. You'd never ask this. Okay. I'm now caressing Spencer, and we're enjoying it me. Andy's are softer than SNL's jokes for the first six months after Trump got elected these underwear associate they make Jimmy Fallon seem edgy. These underwear are so soft that fortune thinks they're going to cause the end of the world, and it wants to publish their addresses guys. It's a new year, and you've probably already made some resolutions to make two thousand nine hundred awesome. Start your year off right with a pack of new underwear from me on these. I'm wearing them currently Spencer. Oh, yeah. Dan, the red ones. I got the the me ones. I've. Been wearing that around the house. I just don't ever want to leave the house because now I'm walking around in a giant pair of soft underwear. It's got a hoodie and the the arms are long enough for long old arm. Jeff Davis me Andy's are so soft that they apologized to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, my men are so soft that a baby seal killed my underwear. They bring the edge out of baby seals the navy seals covet their softened, the Andes are so soft. How soft are they the people kind of enjoy the quality of their softness? Is it true? That Mundy's are also soft on crime. These are the Dukakis have underway fits from revolving door soft on terrorism Mendis is why they're building a wall. They're also soft on gun control. So don't think that they're not fucking bad ass. I I'm telling you, I'm wearing skinny jeans because that's what I do because I've I have no muscles. And I don't even know that I'm wearing underwear except for the fact that I know there because I know that I put them on early in the morning. 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And when to keep it off your face posh stands for portside over starboard home society, the boat that you sit on you don't wanna get too much of a tan criss crossing over from England Zaid over to wherever you're going left side going out, right? Home to keep the sun off you. I guess that would be the shady. Yes. That's one of those things where people what is crazy spice for. And that segues into my signal boost podcast of the like, I've listened to many true crime podcast. Put like I can't like like, I found this one red handed. It's these two British ladies. I like in the height of mines for them. I'll give them the offer that I've given to David Cummings to come out. Cherie and Hannah if if this gets back to you, and you wanna fly first class to the states, and and be a guest on the show like all the worth it. You've given me so much love to chat with you fans. If you wanna come out, first class harmony will pay for young not anybody. This is my thing is I extend this invitation to people I it's just such an amazing in this world of like, I don't know win true crimes gonna hit its peak. I think it's so funny. Like, I just be in Cody listen to true crime podcast. It's all we do gobble them up. We've run out of everyone and like every single one is on a different podcast network. Every single podcast network has. Advertisements for different ones where they're like. Hey, just a couple of words from some of our friends. I can't it seems like there's gotta be more true crime podcast than there are people willing to listen or that have ever been murdered by anything. It's. But I haven't hit my peak. I just keep going Earls listening to them but advertisements the the one. That's really funny to me is. I kind of want to grab people in shake them and go, please stop pretending. This isn't ghoulish. I guess the new wave is like, hey, we're going to talk about true crime. You're going to hear about strangulation and rape and murder. But it's because victims need not be forgotten. Like, they put us twist on it where it's like, we're doing a service. Maybe you are maybe not but come on. That's not what this come on. I mean, I go to sleep on the couch and watch them datelines. But I cannot do the Keith Morrison the fucking guy fucking one. I feel I feel like I feel like perfectly good. About people getting murdered. Ruined by people that are like when we should make keep doing my Keith Morrison. Talking. That's wonderful. But is is it good to do Keith poison. While Dan harmonise talking. Yeah. We don't maybe it's not I listened to. The world bay. No. I've been listening to buy gas called the dream Bod cast. I recommended highly. It's about multilevel marketing, and how it affects people, and it's crazy sparingly all big scam. The only reason it's still around today is because there's this big court case that the people were about to go to jail, but they have like Deepa ties to like the government and stuff. So they kind of got the court case thrown out. And then in that court case, they're like, we'll check it out. Here's the rules for what is and isn't a multilevel marketing scam, and we don't do that. So we're in the clear, and they're like, Yup. You're in the clear, and it turned out they made up those rules to prove that they didn't. And no one has rules on what is there isn't a multi leveling scam. So like that's now the new legal definition is what the MLM's like made to be to avoid and they're like, we aren't that. And that's why we're not breaking the law, but it's just fundamentally a fraud by the mechanics of the business itself. And the only reason that it can't always prosecuted is because there's not always. Vision evidence to prosecute businesses and stuff, but it's all fundamentally a fraud. And it's crazy because it's like, it's all this crazy capitalist stuff where everyone's just like praying on people as a business, and it gets into like sexism because there's all these men who prey on women and get them involved in. So they're making money for the men, but it like it's secret. And so it's like this weird thing that affects like women, and I don't know it just it takes money out of both sides of the family. It's just this really insidious thing that seemed to completely grasp all of American business and now American politics, and it's I don't know. It's like you find out like every problem. We have is kind of all connected to the same problems. And it's like holy shit. The idea that we aren't able to recognize what is a sensually a not even capitalism. It's like a pyramid scheme or. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is that like the multilevel marketing marketing companies that have gotten away with it for so long, basically integrated. Basically. We could make that work. We just need to keep it rolling. Don't make it. No. I know I'm trying I'm trying to be helpful. But I hit the thing by. No, no, I believe. I lost my train of thought. Anyway. You burden of proof is on you to prove that you're not just jealous of Spencer taking the con- know, I I was trying to look for the the DVD theme in case we wanted to make some that actually now brings to mind like you were going to do that. And it was going to kind of that was Spencer face. You're going to commit Spencer face. I was scrolling through. And I hit the hit the wrong thing. You back me up on this airlines thing. Oh, yeah. The airlines. I was just trying to do my job as a country. Good. Okay. Look. Here's the thing. It's two thousand nineteen like I'm not a big resolution guy. But like something that like I've been really remiss about we've been as we've gone on. We love doing this podcast. It's amazing. We've concretize we've corporated it whatever we're trying to make like a self sufficient like little bio dome of like podcast, everybody that works on it. Hopefully, getting paid to work on it part part of that was like coming up with paperwork and signing contracts arduous process takes the joy out of everything. Of course, you can't just like do something for fun in the someone's going to get into getting fucked over we. We've been trying for years now. Like, we we like, oh, it's business. It's Harmon Joan Inc. And they give this to that prison. That along the way I think one of the funnier things it's like one of our silent partners Kevin day who runs the ins and outs of like, you know. You know, like like pumping the show out. He's he's delegated. I don't. I don't want to make him a target. But he's pretty bitcoin rich. He's kind of he doesn't really need the the bottom line is what a certain point during the incorporation of the podcast. He's sort of like. Yeah. I have a problem. I need some of the money to go away. And we came up with this thing. Kevin. Can you can you come up? Can you come up and talk about our? Kevin Davis Betty. About how to give you money away. So we talked about like because basically like if you were to do nothing at all given your situation if you're taking money from the business venture that we had to create in order to make thing you would get penalized. That's this is a common theme of capitalism. You need a write off you need a thing. And you're like, look, here's the here's something that we can't do both ethically. And legally we can't say to our podcast audience. If you subscribe to the podcast, some of your money will go to take care of down syndrome, which many podcasts do, but the legal I whether it's legal or not I don't actually know about the legality of it. But I do know that actually as a as a pseudo capitalist. I would actually say honestly. If you're asking someone for five dollars. Shouldn't they have choices to whether or not one of their five dollars goes to this or that? But what we came upon was like, you're you're going to suffer it. Silence. Unless we give some of your money away every month. Correct. And so we came up with this idea. It's like, let's pick a charity every month, and we can renew it at the end of every month. But let's pick. Let's pick something that your money goes to 'cause you don't need it. And you need to write it off. It was kitted out of your hands. You don't get penalized for it. Right. Like what I really wanted to do was like what other podcasts do say that we were going to donate ten percent of whatever to some charity as you brought up that's a really bad idea. Because people cancel they wanna strive to think that there is such a thing as a Republican harm in town fan. Who's like, look I don't truck with this that, but like don't don't put me in a position where I feel like literally my money helps something that. I don't believe in. If they wanna listen to me say they're stupid and pay five dollars that should be there. Right. Yeah. Right. Feels like an ethical thing to me, it's where ethics and capitalism intersect. So so so I think the nice thing is that we go look this is if you're if. You're a right wing person. And you're like, I don't want my money going to anything. Trust me. Your money's going to me and Jeff getting drunk and dying. I promise. Anything leftover? It's it's it's going to a private citizen are silent partner Kevin day. Kevin now, who has no political affiliation. He doesn't care what he said. To me is he's willing to we're going to find a charity eat every once in a while. We're going to funnel your money into that charity. Right. I'm donating the money. But I'm letting Dan pick where it goes is. Okay. It's all going to the pros. They just they just if they could read they they not fair. What's happening? Try to represent the. I I now we will do it. Now, we are going to it's too late. Now, we're giving the money to the proud blades for real just because of that. I do think as a cider that. That's probably the quickest way to diffuse some of these pockets of toxic dudes is that you actually just give them a million dollars. Because wouldn't they just it would be CR they would just kill each other. I want this big of a flashlight. No, it should be. No, it's dark. I want it to be waiter. Fuck you racist? They just like you could give give bad people a million dollars. They're toast. But we're not doing that. I here's my my thing that I've always been passionate about always been passionate about giant hair quits because I do nothing to do anything. But like, maybe this mechanism could help us. I said to you prison reform. This is the thing that I'm really like kind of like a because I feel like it's like easy to not do like, I feel awful about the fact that we when somebody fucks up in life. I don't care how bad they are care. How evil they are? It's not about whether you're good prisoner bad person. If you end up in our system like where we have decided the society, this is how it works. I don't like the fact that you get locked up. And then you're nightmare begins and you're like deprived of shit that. Like, maybe could help you like I like like, I don't like that. You can't get DND books in prison. I don't like that you I don't I don't I don't like that. We joke about where you're going. You're going to get raped every day. And it's like well that was not part of the judge's sentence. Just in general, I think we have like a fucked up twisted idea of like, it's like if we're a society that's gonna lock up almost all the people in the world like. That's my thing. I real- it. So I told you that like two hours ago it was like look up prison reform. And so we may pick a charity tonight. We're we're like sounds like our here's where Kevin days money is going and on the read it, you may go I looked them up. They're terrible. They're fake. Okay. Let's find that out in real time. Let's let's let's popularize the idea of charity shopping. So I came to two options I wanted to give you the first is the probably more well known and much bigger. But not exactly what you were asking for is called the innocence project. Right. And their job is mostly they do to people who basically everybody looks. And goes, there's no way this person was guilty. But there sat with a life prison prison sentence. They get sentences overturned, and they're very big, and they all seem to be one of the most effective charities. And they've they've regularly been recognized for dollars going to them. Does the most good? I don't get gut. Thank you. Yeah. I am actually more invested in like, how do we treat like the bad people? I want the guilty people to not have to like in addition to doing their time and serving there. I would like it if they could like fuck and learn a trade and like and like not live in. But yes, I love the innocence project, obviously. And arguably a great thing, but so the one closer, I think what you're asking. For is a similar product called the sentencing project that seems to have two goals. One is to give make sure people get fair sentences because too often people are thrown in some match security prison for something that was not needed and second one of their goals is while people are in Parsa rated making sure that prisons are not more likely to produce good results, and people are led out making sure things are not cruel making sure education is available making sure that you know, job training is made available and things like that. So they sort of seem to have a two pronged approach. Coach of make sure people sentences are appropriate. How do they do that in a world where it's like state to state city to city like how do they from the literal five minutes? I've read about them. That's part of the joke. Is that I made you do this because I'm so charitable that. I'm like this lazy. They meet with this attorneys a lot. They have provided information to states and counties and things like that about, you know, are you aware of the sentencing guidelines, you guys have and what that produces and how this person here because of the guidelines that exist in this jurisdiction result in a twenty year maximum security. You never see your friends theme. Tired time, you're in jail when other states are doing things more fairly, and here's how well this worked and hair. So they presented formation of the people who make sentencing decisions to allow them some of the visibility. They may not see they're gonna wear this thing almost where they're like. Hey, judge. Hang 'em. Hi, jen. Hey, a prosecuting attorney hang them high like, you you're getting votes, and you're getting promotions by this ID that you're tough on crime. But, but it's not worth can we make you aware of the fact that it's slowly making your city, for instance, like have like recidivism rates that are super high. And they've also. Done work to where they've taken prisoner complaints that have gone on heard of, you know, this this policy this prison has is unfair and just mean-spirited for no good reason. And they've stepped in. They've filed lawsuits they've helped people how do we penetrate that barrier where like once you get locked up? Everybody outside is like fuck that person. And you're like, can I get a toothbrush, and they're like fuck you? And then someone's like, I want to beat you up because you're Dan Harmon, and you've been locked up, and you're like, whoa. This isn't part of my sentence. And they're like who cares? Like, how can we make prisons less of a nightmare? So I can proceed to get locked up. I wish I had the. Yeah. Okay. I in the meantime, like, yeah, I guess out of the out of those to the sentencing thing like like sure, I guess if those guys have funding they're going to be able to talk more to more bureaucrats. Let's give them a month. Or let's say a month because week is not long enough. So it's not if you're listening to podcasts your money, isn't your money isn't going anywhere. Your money's going into Harmon John's pocket same as always I'm only letting you know as part of the show that one of the people that takes the money from your pocket after everything's done is gonna get fucked on his taxes. And so he's gonna for this month give it to this random charity, which is called the sentencing projects, and we'll maybe at the end of the maybe a month from now, we'll go here's how much money we gave them, and maybe we'll look into it. I actually honestly think I'm not putting it on them. But I feel like that Natura. Carol mechanism of the read it kind of mentality is someone's going to want to take the shit down, which I think could be a healthy mechanism. It's like an enzyme like they'll research the organization, let's find out like charities like let's find charities that. We that really do great like every every dollar that you give them. What are they really doing to change human life and stuff? Let's find ones that were fans of and this'll be the first start of the project like let's not be afraid to do it wrong. I some of the some of that some of the guy. That's why I don't even go down that road is. I'm like, I don't know what to do like, I get high with a guy the other day explained to me that Red Cross is like the fucking. Oh talker. Breezy it kinda sterilize paralyzes. You cheered is in America. If you're like, you're like, yeah. I don't wanna do anything. Yeah. And it should be the opposite of that. Right. It'd be like it should be like your natural state. Should be like. Yeah. Whatever you should be kind of exuding shit. Yeah. Like in a post patriot world have you gone to prod wise. Com. Very I feel like. Yeah. Okay. Well, so yeah, anything else you want to talk about Kevin come on share, your deepest thoughts. My deepest thoughts. Hi, no, don't listen to a hand. It's like he he can't control himself. Yeah. I've been here hearing. You live in Chicago. Usually, I do I do. I don't know you seem like a secretive guy like you helped me set about that feel go by the bears the other day. I'm not a big football fan Griffey. You know, Lee. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about the fact that the way that we really did we talk about this in the podcast where you were like, hey, do you own a MAC book pro an ipad to an thing and a list of nine things, and I was like, yeah. And you're like. Cameron Diaz add you Interphone and your part of like fab gate, or whatever you need to change your passwords, and it was like. To explain that. Sure. Okay. I just did. But. I was there and I didn't get that. But. I got it. But I know what happened. Alrighty, so many a few years ago, there were some kind of high profile cases where celebrities were getting their cloud and other accounts, hacked, and what these attackers were doing. And there were multiple would they would break into one person's thing, they would guess your cloud password. And once they've done that they can download a list of all of your contacts. All of your pictures, all of your Email, a lot of really bad things that have Dan's, you, don't wanna see. Look, a my takeaway as Cameron Diaz has been her phone, right? So what what happened, you know, they break into one person's phone, and then from that they would get a whole list of new Email addresses meals and everything else, and they would use that federation to others and break into others, and a friend of mine who owns a bunch of web servers called me one day and said, hey, this one web servers acting really weird it's made all these connections to applaud and we can't figure out why. And we went and looked at it and realize that it was being used to break into other people's accounts, and I had met Dan before and was looking through the list of people that it had broken into. And I was looking at all of Dan's personal information and so reached out to Dan. And when you really need to change, right. How passer 'cause I got I got everything. Yeah. Yeah. What did you see? Everything. No, I made it a point not to specifically what? But just enough to prove that did you see? That picture. You was safe. Don't worry. And I remember calling you with the Sony hack happened. It was like Kevin. Yes was North Korea with the Sony? Yeah. The North Korean Sony hack, Lou whatever like like was like, I was a fucking full blown panic. Here's why. Because if all of Sony's emails were hacked that that includes every Email that's received by Sony. That means like, I didn't know that the press and that the public was capable of being that like that level of piglet like where it was like, hey, there's no. Oh, yeah. These hackers dumped this file online. Let's walk you through all of it. And the way like Amy PASCAL was like like hung out to dry was actually like what you proving. Here's this. This lady like ran a studio that she made one joke that was like wouldn't it be off color? If I said this to Obama nine eleven the way. Great. Oh, I I was like holy shit. If one Email that I ever sent to anybody at Sony Igli ever gets in the hands of TMZ like I'm so fucked like it would be such a thing. And I I remember emailing you lately going just tell me like I just to go Novi need to go home and boom, my brains out. And you're like there was one his his Email in Bax was deleted at the time. But then there's one I did do a search. There's one reference to you. It said that. You're you're wildcard. Them talking about me like bad ass. Yeah. Pretty much Singa a single Email notable though because it's like. It's like. Ethical likley. Look like, I'm just saying like if you printed an Email that I had sent a Sony while I was producing community. It would it would be grounds for like crucifying me feel by our standards. But it's it's like, I know the word context is now like a dinner bell that's rung by old fat, white guys. Like, you don't understand. But it's like, wait a minute. Like, the idea that I was a mega lo maniac saying to a corporation don't ever fucking tell me what to do or fucking puncher teeth down your throat like like at the time when I was typing that it felt like a really heroic thing to be typing and six years later, the idea that that would be able to be pod through by these clearly in scrupulous like I'm the rap dot Oregon. I'm banana peel net net. Like like, it was like, oh, look at what this guy said, I was like terrified, I guess it'd been terrified ever since if it helps you sounded more sad that anything. There was only one Email about you. Yeah. No. I know I was really really believe me. Digital or whatever. As good for Kevin day game day. Then what did they Skype coming up here sharing? His dent. Can you do me a favor? Yeah. Can I invite a friend up? Yeah. Maybe somebody, you know, maybe somebody like somebody. I know that I love. My favorite Jesse. Kemp is in town. Okay. Just just you. Jesse camp. Jesse come on our favorite MTV. They're just come out of hiding. If you don't know yet, you're about to fucking nobody's the greatest mother fucker town outing. Jesse? I told you to wear something. Nice. Well, this is from. And big and tall in receipt. A they put the whole outfit together, they do me and AJ Magic Johnson's case, son. So, you know, between the two of us a lot of business to to them if you're in if you're in Venice for Corey that part of the valley take take visit but roof. The first the first time, I met you Jesse. And I tell the story we were at a party and some shitty dirt backyard in echo park. Okay. At a backyard party and Jesse had I'll tell you lots of layers on Jesse is all about the layers and Jessie goes, hey, man, I like you suit, and I said, I like your layers, and he goes on man, you gotta have layers. And then Harman Harman Jesse. And like this game full of shit. Like what the fuck is going on. Doing a character. Doing a routine is Dan half our letter hung out with head hung out with Jesse and came up to me and goes, it's not a bit. I fucking fucking love this guy. I the thing is to know. Jesse is absolutely fall in love with the most sincere beautiful weirdo in the fucking world. I went to his house the criminal go park. Yes. Opened up his fridge thinking there would be the bone. Maybe. Well, I didn't know if that was street name for the dwelling. So I went to fridge hoping there would be snacks or maybe a beer now in this fridge was. It was. Was wouldn't sad half full bottle of bragg's amino acids and then nail polish? Oh, yeah. Lot of strippers kept their polish up in fridge. If you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. You know, how it be? The fascinating. Well, after I admit you, and I I was in a dark place. I don't know if you hear this a lot, but I wasn't a jerk place when I was hanging out with you. Yeah. Me and Mike mcgraff. But like, I smashed Matt singer. Usually hang out with him, jump hopper. The be travelers, you know, that's dark seeing Dan. I'm sorry. My brother, but I want to say one thing to the listeners straight up this Jeff just. Just person Dan looks like a g damn handsome. Oh my God. Paul, and you guys know this. He's in like the bromance movie. Rocker hall brawler program. A handsome Paul rose. You can't see it from there. You can't see it. Then kids Kenny Rogers, and that talk in like Becic surgery, we're getting mixed signals. Just like the gambler, man. Thing right. Fuck the gambler at man three. Well, there's an uplifting message there, which is like me Woodman's, Paul Rudd is another man's Kenny Rogers. This is Bill done because he's creamy he leaves room for cream if you know what I mean. Do you? Remember, my my ex wife, my ex-wife ear mcgaugh you who is. Called the gaffer cat kaffir tape is exiting adult film with Dan and her and I'm going to zip it. She shows. She showed me a clip of your origin story, which is also actually the origin story of another friend of mine. Another guy who I admire equally who's like truly the opposite of the spectrum like your origin story. Forgive me. If this offend you like it starts with an MTV contest. Right. And you're going to talk about my background. It starts with it starts with a Yemi. Did it? No, it's MTV had this like be the next VJ contest. Like nationwide thing. It makes no sense to young years. Now. It's like, why would you want to be famous isn't that a one-way ticket to fucking devastation, but back then it was like, hey, man, be the new MTV Jay, and they had like a populist kind of thing and the and the and the two runners up it was you, and it was my other friend Dave Holmes? Yes. Dave Holmes is like this such a fucking amazing charismatic friendly. Like like, he's of you in every way, which is not an insult to either of you. Okay. But. My ex wife showed me the clip. She was like she showed me the two of you that time we were much different lately like Gertie in Bert though. But it was like you both. But both of you had class. It was like you were Ernie and Bert switched shells or bodies like the soul of like 'cause I'm more look more like Ernie. But I got the so no, I look more like Burt. But I got the soul of Ernie. Yeah. Well, anyways, you one and Dave Holmes? But like you one because the people are going to be like fuck the system give me this guy like like. Knowing jesse. He's like a you're a encyclopedia of music knowledge. You really know MRs true, which brings us to the part of Harmon town that we are. Introducing tonight called music trivia, we. The tiff peak Davis who is by the way. I don't know if this got mentioned, but we give it up for Jeff do, you know that he just? You believe? That's that's so amazing. Then we got we got to tell some Jeff stores to like the time. You me and Jeff got stuck in the elevator with Bryan Adams, Tina Turner and. And. Absence. If you guys wanted to hear that. Yeah. This is Brett Kevin knew what a devil's triangle was 'cause we wrote the book or the calendar either way. Hello Herman town people's. It's Dan Spencer. I'm Jeff I just wanted to check up to make sure you too or sticking to your New Year's resolution. I don't know if you know this is secretly sneak into your house at night, and I watch you have a bad night asleep. I watch you to your one of your bullshit workouts with Dave Klein, and I also watch you brush your teeth wrong. How do you mean he's not doing it for long enough? He of course, he must be using the only valid way to brush your teeth quip toothbrushes, right? No. He's not what Dan I'm sorry. I'm not a big toothbrush. It's your oral health and with quip electric toothbrush sticking to good habits is simple, Dan. It doesn't matter. Here's the thing that sex about toothbrushes. They don't have sonic vibrations. First of all, you're way off base. Because quip does it's a sonic vibration that gently gives your teeth a plaque free orgasm because people brush too hard in electric toothbrushes can be too abrasive. All right. I get it. So I'll I'll get a quick. And then I'll use it for a month get worn out. And then I'll go right back into. Oh, Dan, your foolish your. Foolish man with quip brush heads are delivered automatically on a dentist. Recommended schedule. Every three months for just five dollars when it's time to refresh in state committed to your oral health. Okay. Well, I guess I'll add quip toothbrush to my constantly grimy overflowing Cup of toothbrushes that sits on the counter in a collective holder with other toothbrushes, right? No not anymore. That's different about quip to everything different about Quinn loss me with you're going to have to walk me through. I can tell you why I said that because I actually have a, and it has this cool suction holder that goes on your mirror, and it's like super cleanable, and it keeps your toothbrush up and away from all of the germy sink grind because you can flush toilet near your toothbrush, and there's airborne shit particles should particle not anymore. They got a multi use cover. And that's why Dan Harmon loves quip. I was learned by quit because it's one of the first electric toothbrushes accepted by the American dental association, and they're back over twenty five thousand dental professionals, and they have thousands of verified five star reviews. That's why I love quip and why over one million happy healthy mounds due to quip starts at just twenty five dollars. And if you go to get quick dot com slash Harmon town right now, you can get your first refill pack for free G E T Q U P dot com slash Harmon. G E T. Doc dot com slash m. N T W. Refill eighteen eighteen. My teeth teeth some respect you fucking assholes before I punch him out. With my heart hitting fuck podcast. They wrote the. That's it. I read it just I was. I was with Jesse autobiography I think I can we were in. Nears eve in Las Vegas this. Great one. Two thousand five believe four into five. Okay. And we were at the. Hardrock cafe the show is near Ziv. And it was oh headline who is it? Fucking A V LV t the velvet revolver booze hybrid of. So we I read got Weiland vocalists slash and Duff of gene are. Weird man with a mustache, no wildcard guitars, and that wild card like motherfucking legend the God damn jolly, Dan. Dan Harmon is the Johnny cash of comedy and that just point to. Like, the Anton the of comedy, you know, what I mean? That's dan. He's the dark Lord. He's delight Lord. But listen, he's the Lord of the ring. And when he punches that hands sings and its wings hires. You're hired. Yeah. You're here every week. All right forever. You know? Behind the piano. Dan has just texted me. He goes, I'm here. I'm in the back rally. I can't believe that you were quiet begun. I can't believe he didn't do you think. It's quiet to me know when a kid quietude, it's a wizard thirteenth record. No one knows about. He's been big on this way too. Leftover studio outtakes from radicchio Elba is. No ads going there for a moment. But I'm back on track. This is a magical. This is this is more magical for me because I come on. Like, Dan is is is the man and just amazing which music trivial get into. Can we talk about Phil Collins and here, okay? Dan. Do you want to your house? Joe if you're like, I want to whip towels boys down, I'm gonna come. I'm gonna come troll this each of you get to ask each other, Phil Collins trivia question. Oh, so you try to stump each other. We just to clarify, Jeff. Can we go through like Peter's entire career, which I believe traces back to nineteen sixty six fifth album from the beginning. All right. So with Peter Gabriel knife heard each right now think every Phil Collins trivia question for each other. Okay. Spencer. You get to pick. Do you have a coin or a diet who who can go I can say we're competing against each other is the first time, by the way, Dan, and I have competed against each other say get this have male review, dancer view. You know, what I mean called thunder from down under all trillion men, but they need a one time they had about for for one more dancers. Chris farley. Patrick. No, no, no, not like that body body, shape wise. This is more like a doll flung grin versus Sylvester Stallone. We could Pete it. That was the last time we actually competed in that it was either you or me Dan was Mr. thunder from down under your suspension, picket diet that is close to a coin flip. Like, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. So do auto even out or even you're getting odd while I'm getting even alia you're getting even while I'm rolling the dice and getting odd which means Dan is something. Okay. Dan, dan. Phil Collins trivia, Dan, you get you get to either receive or kick right now. Actually graded. Okay. To ask me. I go I ask for you. Go first. The coin toss you have you have to ask me feel as you fill counts question. I beyond this is colors trivia you on Dan one on one could ask things like who is the bass player on another day in paradise. But we all know that's Leland skill layer. Man. I'm hoping that was Thomas showboating. Does. Into the light. Is that Phil Collins, it is or okay? I'm like this question for Dan. Okay. Dan, Phil Collins. This is true, y'all. A mean this fucking. This is good. Okay. So get this Phil Collins was a war history. Nado, he loves like historically stores. He was. Nado. Well, he was once specific kind of war in the history of this country, and it's almo- also landmark monument in this country, and after that war where it took place. This man, Phil Collins collected all kinds of memorabilia about this specific monument and and battle, and then can you name what this battle buzz? That'll in America Gettysburg. No. About the dynasty typewriter is the popcorn. We all know that available in the lobby if one hundred. Oh, yeah. Y'all need a break. They made plenty of corn other half off now. So just go crazy. Because Al bring back like, you know, ill remind thunder from down under audition when they would throw popcorn at us to me tomatoes dance. Into like showmanship like. Ear bad ass. You're like that. You heard a music, you're like anyways. Here's the thing. I'm Jude line. And I'm here to serve. What what what was the battle? The battle of. In the battle of in San Antonio, Ozzy pissed on it the Alamo. Oh, oh, okay. But I don't want you to take my word for is your show with internet connections that could verify that I'm not making up random thing because you guys do that prank phone call Hampton and tell them that I'd sell waffle makers get them even better one than the wonder given public for the breakfast and cycle. This game is not over because Dan, how the chance to get even. Knock your socks, no doubt cocky at all. Because that was the left brainer. One. What sure we churches verified it. So I don't mind recently church verification. Everybody. Great museum. Earlier chair. He's got a great charity. I'm part of that also helps out much like the innocent project. And I love them. They're great. They do great work prison reform, very important, fair Justice system for all. Nope. Bail bonds for anyone and everyone to be oh art and fucking like yo let it just be a free. Let's hey, let's do this. Do you have anything so hard? I question I feel like this. You can even the score and Spencer guidance like kneecap with I'm not it's humiliating thing. Like, I know I have a fucking Phil Collins question that can like I can feel it in the air tonight. You're gonna have a good one. Oh, you're better than that. As a bomb? Ask he'll Collins album track. Like China came out around the same time as China girl by db, David Bowie. I suggest everyone gives you listen after the podcast like China. But Phil Collins will you I'm not stalling like, no music aficionado. Anything you? Tell me Phil Collins's of amazing brilliant, man. He played the drums onto it's Christmas time, Ed. Great songwriter took like like, he's a drummer of a band that started with like a fucking like prog rock? Yeah. And he entered Gabriel urged and he dragged everyone along with them like like to wait. Why isn't that bio pic happened? I think now that the Queen bohemian rhapsody less that is the goal. Best picture, yo Jeff, and I have hung with Rennie MAC and Christian Slater a couple of times. True over at immigrants house. You know, when she's in town with Clint blessed with Amy grant. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. She your. Your record label Spero, wait what Amy grant caused my Uber. And my atheism bickers because she's she's so Christian and with the kinky red hair, and she's just like Bill baby baby. She can't even say the word be she so Christians is like Vevey, and I'm like, oh your teeth and your lip only been with one, man. I want to hear you that oil. But I don't don't don't think. Fran. I was. So I always had a Esq. For him and Amy grant. No, Dan, I'm gonna give you a comptroller of special. You get to ask him any question, but any ban because that's how fucking encyclopedia. It's more important right because. Yeah. Okay. So like really one of the things that needs to be said here too. Because I I'm not going to not give Dan Accolate really do. The guys headlining the first week of the first Friday shows of Coachella, Dan, he basically discovered and brought to prominence basically, like a miles Davis to music right now, which is going to in the history books of all amazing things Dan is done. And it's fucking gonna do. This is still this would be a highlight for fucking anyone. I mean damn fucking. Yo it's because Dan that we all have Donald Glover. And I think. I know. Right. I wish like that's awesome, man. And you gave him a platform to shine and China did, and you it's just a beautiful thing. No, no. No, no. But thank you. Thank you that you made that connection. But like also at the same time. No, no, no, no, no like because like. Dan, you can pick any banned any any era and see if you can stump. Jessica, okay Collins. I just wanted like like talk. I wonder like throw shit at you. Because I feel like my my music tastes are so provincial. Like, they're only inside music biz secret wash. Clive Davis told me everything about Tory Amos, I. That's one of famous MTV moments is torii singer dream on. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, that's Google lable. Koogle lable. Take a look in a book Riddick. Reading rape. Oh, I can do anything. It's google. That's. But there's a lot of stuff. That's. That we don't need to get into you met, Tori Amos yet. Oh, yes. Yes. You saying that two years before NTV, this isn't like wallingford, Connecticut, I snuck into a most concert at like a maximum minimum security, prisons, what they used to be this this place three thousand person place in wallingford. Anyway, you could like anyone could sneak into this thing. That's connecticut. Connecticut is like minimum security concert venues, you know. That's. On that. I don't know. That was on me. I'm sorry with you. You're a Tori Amos. Two years later, I'm in her hotel room smoking smoking, slipping on Jin, Jews late that what does she like what girls mostly cornflakes good way? Like, I talk it like those Soghi s cornflakes I'm talking Crispin. This is presented with video you Tori, Amos on my iphone. It's google. Playing video of us. This is you enjoy. I know this is going to crazy. But in the video you're wearing ridiculous hat. Thought. During it around. Breakout? Another Curry's a hat, and this is pretty crazy this this hat got fifty one fifty but we just so let me. I really like I reference the idea lately. Like, so is it is it accurate to say you were forced Gump adventure begins with MTV conscious. Pro lately ahead a Jenny too. You know, but obviously you had gumption otherwise, you wouldn't have won that content. I did have gumption you've eaten my friend who was like had to come. To establish himself as the dick Clark. Yeah. I tell you all about that. Because the media tries to pit us against each other. Like they like long Grint verts. Loan. Again question is so obviously early Wednesday Snipes versus the IRS coming. Yeah. Coming to that stage. Yeah. Obviously, we're already shot. That's crazy. You should bring that up. Dan, we shot coming to America type movie on the senio hall to Dave's Eddie Murphy, and he played like a guy from Poland. And then I was I guess is helper was very like, black sheep. Chris Farley David Spade. We made a movie together. It's never gonna come out because that was back when Dave is going through satanic period. Well, he was Wicca. So we didn't show up half the dailies, but number two. He was also into a really heavy wicker candle period. He was making Jessica can we talk about your trousers right side for going off the rails on a crazy train? This. Trained leads back to the station station is located. Yeah. I wanna know, obviously, Lee. I don't. Jesse wednesday. I'm coming up. He goes eight Jeff you wanna come to the whiskey ago tonight. We're gonna go see LA guns, and we any of course, we get backstage. And we're hanging out with Phil Lewis who's the fucking grievous ban. But to go to a rock show rod Stewart's girlfriend back. Did he fuck into? Yeah. But to go backstage at a rock show with Jesse is like to be on a magic carpet ride of rock and roll like fantasy. We'll be is. So here's a question to ask you anything Dan snob because you're clearly not a snob because you're not you're not doing letting humbles a lot when you 'cause you like a lot of people who have encyclopedic knowledge of things they make their bones by going like will. I talked to you Phil Collins and a lot of people that question, but I wanna know like like, so you're the skeleton key. You're like this alternate fan you that's your Christmas. Those things is there such a thing as a bad thing for you lately. And bad moods. Believe don't worry about you. I'm talking about as a consumer. I'm saying, okay. If I say, Phil Collins to you did it move Charles Grodin bed move. You're you're like Phil cons. He did this. He did that I say train Amos to you said the warden. I tell you on story. So you is could I say something to you? Anything would make you go. Oh, fuck that. That's bullshit. You know, like Manute or like you welcome one thing. I'm glad you bring that up one pet peeve of mine. Although I think the public definitely credit out against it. But it didn't need to be that mean to, but it was very ill conceived. Steve Carell movie, welcome to Wien about how he basically. So he's let's just go there with this real quick. He isn't man that was at like like a like a rough kind of bar, and he was just telling all the rough locals that he that he got that he wanted to be across dressers something. And so I don't know alcohol got in them, you know, and they beat him well with an inch of his life like this group of people in England. So then this dude is brand damage, but goes, the he'll in this world where he gets a lot of GI Joe, and we're like action figures and builds an imaginary life about that with him in it and this move. Two and a half hours, and it's called welcome to machine and it had a sixty million dollar budget. And I think it brought in maybe one point to what you mean. Marwick? Yeah. Mar win. I'm sorry. I got that confused with aqua, man. You're saying, okay. There's shooting move. Dan. I can't believe playing Pat what that was. Remember, new New Year's Eve two dozen joke. Come out of it. We're sitting in the fourth row at the joint at the hard rock. And this is a great story. I'm glad we circled back. And it's. This is a beautiful time time to the white stripe. Break in this is when the strokes were happening, this is when inner pool we're fucking jamming out Palmeira. They're just starting to communicate their fingerprint analysis with each other yo-you INTERPOL was like coming on, you know. You know? Read Jesse and the girl that you were with is. It was a bit. That notwithstanding there it is there. It is. Well, we had extra tickets and man what's going on ago. We got tickets like second row for the press. For for sheet. Well, she snack defenders Phil colleges in either you had nothing but praise for Phil collen, treat your girlfriends as well. As Phil Collins. You're right. You're right. Visit both touch pet. Takes you in. Your cheesy to have done invisible. Ten a shower all back. Just jesse. Oh. But when she gets into you. No, she's got a. Thank everything you see. A father. She seems to that hood invisible touch. All right. Sorry. It was. Diligence that triggered us. Make it one time. What time Jiang? We all. Go back to New Year's Eve. Now. Now, thank you felt revolver on stage. It's delay grace scout while invest EP looking like anorexic thin. He's got like one of them. Like police caps on his head like a nonstop like officer hat on yet. Okay. Very Kenneth Cole. Okay. Or? Down like like like faster pussycat kind of thing down just six million again. So we're sitting there and we're watching it's like him. It's forty form as well. And then a weird like man, Mr Clean, but with the mustache, dude. Dave Kushner nice, which is now marijuana strain and tell you those. Yeah. Sorry. So it, and it sucks and Jesse night. Just happened to be. We're like we're like four four seats away. And I look I look over Jesse and jesse's looking at me, and I go what do you think about this? Because it's it's like ten minutes to midnight on news. They've and Jesse looks meaning goes. Fucking suck. Man. I that's what I. Beautiful boy, Steve Corrales other movie. Okay. I'm gonna say AP beautiful story. But like, I don't really find it believable that into child born in Marin County, California, that's dictate to crystal street bath don't buy that. When all is. So readily available. That's a big leap of faith in the pot that I really got a, you know, but if we're gonna talk about prison reform, how unfair the Justice system is in how redlined and rigged it is against people color. You know, and believe me too. It's not, you know, black lives matter. But it's like when it comes to the poor no lives mattered. We as in Dacian got it like come up on that. And when we do prison reforms part of that, you know, but this is what I'm getting that. And I think I remember what I'm getting that trying to stall right now buffering buffering. I can't believe that. I'm having a senior moment at the age of thirty nine, but it has. No. I'm just kidding. Just being humble. But let me tell you know. I am having a senior moment, it's tough to know going in and out of it. But I do remember we were talking about Amy grant, and how wholesome she was kind of like, Tori, Amos four all the kids with Dietrich Kermit. Can you put just the on the on the voter? Oh, yeah. But we get to the punch line of the fell revolver concert to everyone. And so the ending of Jeff I said, they I kinda think they saw you. I looked go. Like, what is all this talent is on stage. You all these great Rockstars. I what is it that? They're not doing and Jesse brilliantly goes. Where's the songs? Because they got no songs, and that was fucking brilliant. And we stood up. We proceeded to party the rest of the night with carrot top brother party. Carrot tap into Harvard town yet why the fuck not, you know, Joan props. I love the top the top. I love it will work room. That's like audio and can't see the car. In your life and carrot top. He's let's question. The songs hitting for the handwork prop comic hit hit something hit it less for. It's more about singing than rapping where the songs is the question where the song overhead a great songs Ligthart which but other than that. There's really a lot of Phil around that album, you know. So like, there's a painful, yo tell me, you're okay. We go. We're with Dan, you know, what? Honestly. It is honor being in your presence. I mean that the bottle buzzer talking like over not no, no not fucking stirred is being higher. All right now, we're loving your boss. Linear interviewing it's like, Tom Snyder like a little drunker. And with the good looks Paul rut by God. Okay. Ebling goria. Hi, obviously, you can come back every week. Obviously. But I disagree with all of those points. No, I am Chris Hemsworth said is Dan Harvard. Our fourth brother. Where's the and are really with the boo? I tell you. I'm telling you. I was so Amy grant was like the. An MTV was like, hey, she's Christian. She won't. She's like singing about her husband. And I was like yes, she is. But like I'm gonna I'm gonna I want our soil like I the Hans the Han solo complex like I like all lightsaber Christian lady the girls that I had crushes on high school. They're like, they weren't it was it was like there were the Amy grant's like they it was like gale crystal. Gayle now now that was well that was done. Yeah. The Redland sister with the haired or to the floor pass to ask. But hell, yeah. That's as also Tan's latest musical EP available on I tunes. Peres Virgil it's via the reunion. Lead single covert with Michael McDonald where the song talking about. Talk about you. Talker. Singing with the lyrics. Emcees singer. I like to hang out with my finger pointing at the lyric style singing along day while I liked to same to the top to the bottom fucked. Your Baracoa hard, I belong inside. I come back. Tomorrow's fuck. Your mama again to Lee. Free. Monday. Ms y'all. MC way house make your wife turned into a spouse. She looks back. She saw you could never call that assault. Because the woman is subjective. Fide of the bible, why from chapter one chapter four hundred thousand I'm fantastic comes down how on the patriarch glass ceiling and got the fuck dick keys, unlock misogyny with my big spiritual. Dick by. Oh shit. Hey. How you doing over there? Well, my name is job. And I don't have a care. I'd like to put that to the test. Oh, fine. I'm Joe the best. Well, your wife has aids. Oh, that's wow. That's sodas here. Made no soda your kids shit. I don't fuck it at your house fell. Oh, God, I'm job. And I hate I hate. Eight I don't hate night love. And I love it. I love big abused by on. That's would talkative. I love bringing down the house on top of people that prey to me home get down on your dean is oh y'all way of the k. Okay. That was brilliant. Time right there. Childish get Pino, Dan. Can't you basically gave way had Jesse Jesse? And Dan, do you think you fish out a little bit do something together? Yeah. They sound sandy. You gotta beat think about together. To be on the track. You can do the rapping Dan in a you might just put it in the Riano hook. Yeah. You put the hook on it. Of captain, Jack. Sparrow. Tear. It is exact. And I. This like John Travolta without the we've y'all straight dirty it seductive and actually the dark looks like Bruce Willis, get ready for you go we look at it. You see the sky in my nose in my eyes. I see you. And I look with I see. Family. My kid. I see love. Yeah. About the time. He's got a big big heart. Any wants you? To know, that empathy are the best weapons that we have in this world. Yeah. He's got a beautiful hot it got sober. But when it comes to gambling. He's got no contro. It's true. But when he watches Kelly, we watch is the show that talking about grace. Yeah. That pitched that whole. Yeah. He gets pissed her that pitches. Full share say he's saying. Double. Job. John Doe, my favorite, Colin. Like. And I also. Night. We gotta get calling. I think. Amy, Jo AB. And right now, which is one of his wanna talk to you, Flint, which is one of the give you a vestige this. And we just wanna have a old me and every time sharing poke over time to wanna fly you Amy N P you and Dan three guys one woman. We'll give you five thousand we all share. Amy. Chuckle having this out loud. I feel I might over Brett offer. One thing that should be noted. Okay. Oh my God. Before this gets Michael Richards. Let me just preface this. Room is filled with P OD's the original Indian from the village people. Greg is back there. And he's spoken everyone. That was just me going way to the dark side. I think that's a teachable moment. And in fact, right now we were trying to make the song much like the end by the doors. You know, like Hello father. Yes, son. I'm going to kill you. But that was his father and son like listen to each other with like father and somebody cat Stevens. That's really what we're going for this. This was a play. This was a one act, Dan. And I wrote this all over the New Year's Eve weekend. So again, you know, hero villain Dory. I played the villain. So my mea culpa Amy think of goes without saying that we purely platonic relationship with you today or both about monogamy, we are both about wearing special layers of underwear if that helps with the intimacy. You know, we are gentleman. We not mean to say that we wanted to plow your field that was a misquote that was a soda Email that we sent to Seth Rogan about his afro at the time. All right. I don't know what more to say, really like, yo. Much. Jesse cam. Amy grant statement, Jessica Amey brand also Kevin days. Venture crittenden. Jeff Davis, comptroller, your man. The what it only Jesse camp idrive fast and take chances. We love you all that was special.

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Minecraft: Story Mode (w/ Dan Harmon)

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Minecraft: Story Mode (w/ Dan Harmon)

"Parents are everybody gather round. It's time to talk about minecraft story mode. I WANNA I wanNA get some ideas. What do you like the most about playing being minecraft? Anybody speak up. Come up from the you can kind of build anything and create your own narrative right so I'm not going to put that on the board. What else we got up crafting? Okay great great so I'm up with a real small in the corner the board but we have all this blank space. What do you want to fill it with? What's your face we've come talk to me about my crap? Well you get to actually like build things right. I'm telling you to stop fucking bringing that up and just tell me what you like about minecraft the fucking square guys look like square. Okay great great. So we're so we're so we'RE GONNA make game that stars Hugh Guy Great and they're going to build stuff and get the fuck out of my office. You're refined fired. You're fired aren't everybody. We're GONNA make a story game with square guys. We play but mostly watch telltale games minecraft story mode this week on. How did this get played Welcome to out of this. Play the show. We discussed the worst in weirdest video games of all time. I'm nick wider across from Iran. Gamble Oh hi nick. I'm a cross from Nick. Wider Beside Mad OPPA. Daca hello everyone I love. It still works in two thousand twenty first episode sort of the New Year. Yeah Heather how are you. I don't WanNA get too boy. I guess we'll just maybe edit this but recovering from the procedure so because it's it's The first podcast of the New Year got two weeks left in this fucking brace Surgery and I can't wait to get out of this brace and since we're not actually actually recording this the day you're hearing it. I'm looking forward to win. This is the thing that I am thinking and feeling Got It all right nick. Hey I'm doing great great great. I'm I mean I'm hanging in there. We're getting through the end of the year. And we're we're banking some records but this will be our first episode of the New Year and as such if this is true. We're getting through the year. We're baking records that's happening great Mentally We've got a figured because of that. Because of the circumstances MHM stances we're going to for our regular segments seventy seconds and gaming habit which we spend before we descended the gaming al.. We are going to discuss our gaming New Year's resolutions is Matt if you will start the clock back and forth I Resolve to finish final fantasy seven remake on the hardest this difficulty setting. Whoa I resolve I on mine will be more general I resolve to before I buy a new game? I will finish a game like so either whether it the last game I purchased or whether it's a game for my library that I've never finished I'm going to I have. I must finish one to purchase one. Okay I am going to beat the the last of us on the hardest difficulty setting also like challenge based. That's my kind of year. Perfect twenty twenty I resolved to beat last of us to on at least the easiest difficult decision. Okay I plan to purchase the playstation. They stationed five. How exciting how aspirational that's coming out this year? That's the room boy. Twenty twenty. I plan to. Oh boy I really just had the one preloaded. You know what I am going to pull not check my phone. When I'm playing video focuses on the video very good one? My mind is going to be for backlog management as well my backlog is so bad and I'd like to. I like to make way a switch. It's very easy to acquire backlogs. You don't have to go anywhere. He's digitally download all of them. So there at my backlogs mostly switch backlog is brutal. Yeah there's just nothing you can I can do. Yeah you'll never catch up Fuck up your leg real bad. And then you've got all Islamic video games all of it all right to amend my resolutions. Hey this week's game is mind. Craft story mode which is based off of minecraft the biggest selling game of all time. It's dialogue driven graphic adventure with some quick time events developed and published by Telltale Games and released episodically in two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen for multiple platforms and to discuss this particularly unique. We're game a writer and producer and podcasts from community rick in Good Morning Harmon town and Harmon. Dan harmon his ear. Hi Dan Hey everybody thank you for having me. Thank you for being here. I seem seem beaten. Ah Yeah this doesn't beat you. You don't beat this game. This game beats you Dan. Are you much of a Gamer Not as much lately have been historically historically. I'm I'm a pretty huge Gamer. Starting from the first resident evil in and when I'm in my twenty s away on Maple Syrup Bong and resident evil it home. That wasn't like my parents. That's right and all the way forward 'til like the with. What are we on Xbox? One xbox one comes after three three sixty. It's getting a little confusing it somewhere around in there I started getting really into I moved to a new house and I took on this new weird hobby bobby of audio video video production. Okay So I I kind of just the video games tapered off but I still play. They mine craft regularly right so I did know this about you that you play a lot of minecraft like what is your mind craft routine like how. How many hours have you do? You think you've sunk into it over the years there's got to be. I mean it's gotTa be close to Anywhere from it could be up to a thousand hours allow because I've been playing it for. How long has it been out or a decade? Possibly but yes so I I have been playing it the entire time when I was playing when he was in like Beta rice so in and now I haven't played it every day sense than my kind of macro routine is. I'll I seem to play it for three months. or so. In a in a sort of like weird narcotic like addictive sort of like receding from the world all that every at every available moment and kind of like an. I play with Maude Packs. Okay like feed the beast. Revelation is Is is what I'm playing right now. As for those minecraft mud packers out there. They're curious I think it's just me and like seven ten year olds south. I'll I'll do it like just you have just three count on it for like three months until I get aggressively bored with it and then it'll be like nine months and I'll always always think every time like there's no way to come back to this and then and then Lo and behold I do I do I love. They'll be an update or something and I'll just a attended ended the same exact things over and over again. I always start a new world and I just do the same basic sort of things I get to a point where I I can do whatever I want which. Which is where you should start like doing design work and stuff? It's almost like it and then at that point I- incredibly bored lay. It'd be like okay now. I'm supposed to build a pyramid out of gold and like us like chisels to like make everything look pretty and then. I'm just like who cares how anything looks. It's all very function over form for me Like I it just gaining the ability to do everything right as some kind of huge dopamine fixes for me. It's that rob progression. I had a similar thing because visit minecraft never clicked for me but star are. I'm sorry starcraft as starting valley which is a derivative of mine craft with some more narrative elements in that way and some some also so some dating sim relationship elements enough to like like give me a world that it can seek it. It's a similar sort of thing where I played through that that game a few times and it is just it. Yeah once you have everything once you have enough resources to do anything then it just sort of becomes like well. What's the point? Building Games are like that eight. Iridium Sprinkler Right. Now it is it is such a funny transparent thing because all it basically is like every single video game out there starts you at Not being able to do much. And and you know Batman walks this fast and jumps this high and has many batterings and which is just a way of saying the crap you have to do with your joy steak and then you you slowly graduate to this point where Lo and behold you. You're as powerful as a guy who's not playing the Batman Game Right. It's funny to think that like maybe the Batman does learn that much in that period of time. There's a comic starts with them. Being like I'm Batman I'm doing okay. And then he does a rush of ability building by the end. He's like you know what I can jump like six stories now figuring out how to carry finally walking fast. So you and one thing I ah beyond beyond your your passion for Minecraft Harmon Quest. You are playing a pencil and paper are on that. Did you have a lot of experience with that. Prior prior to the PODCAST I had a lot of passion for it when I was a kid but it sure like I when I was like twelve I played for a while mile with group and then the dungeon master from that group sold me all his books for we'd money and I bought them all because no one else wanted to play anymore and so I was just that kid with all the DNC books. And I would just designed engines and no one would play with me. Oh Yeah I did that for a couple of years and then when I was in when I went to high school then I found found another group that played middle earth role playing Merck and great dungeon master and we. We were pretty consistent for a while. Those are some of the best years of my gaming life but that was all a lot of intensity packed into a relatively short couple years. You know there's a lot of people out there that are way more into it didn't have been more consistent like like you know our friends at nerd poker ray half of the people on twitch now like the table top stuff has taken off so much. I feel like a huge poser. Now don't really know how to play. Well have I talked. I know I've mentioned that. I locked on the podcast but have I gone into depth that how intense tents the scene was no I I mean I know there's a little bit but you should tell our listeners. So like when I was in Chicago when I was young I was doing vampire. The masquerade ARP and when this group had rented or owned a space downtown full warehouse with multiple floors and each level of the floor had like multiple sets so there was like a bar a library office A dance club and they also own the space under the warehouse. And so you could go go into like abandoned sewers Jesus and you would pay money to play and there were basically. DM's on each floor with walkie-talkies like the the mouthpieces and so there was battle happening on another floor and you like every floor would freeze action. And then they'd be like. Hey Hey who has celebrity. WHO has psychic abilities? You know that fifteen blocks away. There is a fight happening between these two gangs and amazing. It was crazy fun and I went. I don't know I had like a group of like five six people that we would go with and it was incredible. Why I people don't do that? Well the only thing that I think I think it's because the spearhead of of being is we just see these images of of people in a forest throwing bags of birdseed that represent fireballs. And it's like wait a minute. Why Lake like your your your fireball? Ability is based on whether you as a role player can hit someone with a ball and I for. I'll speak for myself. It's like I see that and I go well. That's just an incompatible medium for for something great heat but when you I never thought about like Oh. It's just a modern vampire role playing game. It's like the more it is about conversation. It's almost like a murder mystery. That sounds really cool. Yeah it was really cool Yeah I think the reason people don't do that is because of shame because it would be like cost play. I'm like okay that that is one thing but like the layer beyond. I'm pretending to actually be this character. Starts is to get a little bit embarrassing for me. You know and like I would. I think there are probably a lot of people. Would be self your improviser Improv costume. Yeah just like a full Improv night. I mean I think it's pretty charitable and call me an improvise. I know how to do Improv on a technical level but yeah it's it's I feel self conscious just doing that but at Pencil paper. RPG not the same thing for me. Or even I'm not someone who does cost play but I would be more comfortable dressing up Zingy for whatever you know. I could handle L. strict. Somebody make that fan art so wait so you mentioned some. You're you're learning. Did you ever heather. Did you ever play any pencil and paper. RPG's beyond that. Yeah I think I mentioned it on your show Dan. I I had a friend who would draw a maps on the backs of lamb skins When we replay replay D he also was the kind of kid who he had rich parents and so we had like a full suit of armor in his house else that was his armor? Yeah we lost touch after high school so I don't know that guy anymore but he's out there somewhere probably is out there somewhere and it wasn't lambs the weirdest I played a little star wars the PNP played some Qassam. MM Catholic I played some messed around with groups a little bit that was on the generic universal roleplaying system to try to just sort of you know makes they never actually played with anyone but the one remember and I can't find a couldn't find the name of it. I played for a time with some friends a a role playing game where you are American American troops in the Vietnam War looking back. It was fucking insane that we were doing this. Your classes were things like you know. We're we're but not military ranks. But they were like the kind of functional purpose in a in a platoon or something that so my character was a pig man because that was like the the slang for someone who would have like a big like gatling gun or something like that. I don't I remember very few details about this but it just it it was it was a real. It's really strange that it was made. It's only jingoistic Shingo listing. That had that had to really get today's definition of races rat a regular basis went back and read what the equivalent of the monster manual was. It'd be exactly okay. They have all got nicknamed supposed to memorize names. So as someone who you know you you do so much. You focus so much on on on narrative in in your work and your life. I mean it's it's a record but it's kind of your job you are storyteller. How do you feel about? It seems like you're grabbing laboratory. It's true though but I don't think we're both laughing. Because they're so you must love to telltale games micro before we dug on that I was just gonna I was I mean I do WanNa talk about that because this game is is bananas but I like in generally. It's it seems like I'm inferring a lot but you're gravitating towards games where reading kind of craft your own narrative it'd be very yes Yeah I I'm very much like I. What am I one of my the things that makes me the saddest is that the economy of gaming is tending so much more towards multi-player yes Because I understand the appeal for everyone else but I truly like one of the chief things that I'm gaining from Sandbox Games Open World Games is the solitude I and the the the the the numbness relative to the outside world injuring a realm where everything is consistent. You you do this much you get this much reward. You don't do the same thing twice unless you want to you know. That's that's the big thing with minecraft is i. Oh I think that's why minecraft is will always be. My favorite game is because with all these packs stuff. It's just like it sets you loosen this total I'll open world and yeah you Kinda create your own side quests just you just go well I wanNA jetpack and so I'm GonNa. I need this much shit to make that jet pack which is going to be this hard defined unless I have this kind of equipment and you just sort of backtrack and and I'm GonNa make this robot that minds for me so that I can more quickly locate the resources. I need to make that Japan. You're kind of like. Yeah you're making all your little side. Quests quests by yourself and then this like huge rush of the twentieth time you run to grab a bucket of water because you need it to you to craft something and then you finally just go. You know what. I'm going to stop here. Forget everything that I'm in the middle of doing so hectically because I'm just going to automate the process of bringing water into my base and that that satisfaction is so now. I'm getting that from the from woodworking youtube videos like now ordering power tools and I had A. I had a huge glut after playing minecraft story worry mode. Today I went to the hardware store. Bought Eight two by fours Tantrum. Yeah I know I need to real craft and how much I was deprived wanted by this game but anyways yeah it's it's it's the same kind of dopamine spike it's like Yeah that idea of like Oh you're GonNa let let's For before we get started in woodworking the first thing we're going to make our own hammer table and it's just like such a rush you know it's like okay now we've made a table and we're going to be using that table for for the next seven years to make other shit on starting with a hook to put our hammer on and I'll just feel so like you're building yourself flex some kind of God that was you know born without permission and love it. Have you Watch the YouTube channel primitive technology. You should. It's it's so it's a guy who's out in the middle of nowhere and he is going through all of the stages of human history with inventions. So he started in like the Stone Age and and made all the tools. And there's it's just it's silent. It's him with a camera in the middle of nowhere and he makes the first tool which was like a way to start fire. Fast Servant Talk. DOC doesn't talk because I love all these youtube videos for woodworking where they a lot of them I. I don't mind the ones that talk because there may be saying important stuff but there's there's a lot of just like guys is that they. They just set their camera up and then they they make a table at a two by fours and they run it. Ah Eighth Time speed and you just watch a three minute video of a guy making a table in an hour and just like I. Maybe it's part of it's like you're a little kid watching your your dad and you're just like oh sorry I interrupted you know that that guys out there doing that with like flint. Yeah he's like he's made a kill and then once he is killed he can make bricks so then he upgrades his house and he's just over the last years years he's been going from like he might be in the Bronze Age. Now that is that just sounds like the meaning of living. Yeah because I keep thinking myself like I'm forty six. I'm about to turn forty seven. Well this is this. Is Airing them. forty-seven but I keep thinking oh would is a gateway to because I eventually then I'll like upgrade and like get a welder's mask and like Oh maybe I'll make my own hinges or something like that idea the of like do you ever watch Jeff. Our friend Jeff Davis is obsessed with that show a forged in fire. I have not seen it. This is the sword making she show. Yeah Okay Yeah Yeah. Did they make props awards but real or is that a different thing they make. They make functioning edged weapons. Do they do they make like link's sword from Zillow L. O.. I haven't seen the show. Maybe they have special episodes spider-man's coming out. I want you to four Joe Web shooter but somewhat upon a podcast format bring up a show that we vaguely know. Try to figure out what it is and then watching episode and see how close we this guy. That's doing this out in the woods on is he. Is He gamer. Equating it with gaming you know I haven't read any. I've been watching the videos for awhile. And he also put out a book which is like I I collect. I collect books in Case Society Collapses and I've also thought about 'cause I'm going to get tattoos next year. That's another big thing K.. As Society Class. Well I was thinking that I would get reversed some significant formulas tattooed so that I'm the only one who can read them unless you like cut off. My skin held a mirror yet. I would always know how to make gunpowder. Ah That's a very steel. Like post apocalyptic indie movie. So I'm thinking about but but he bought a see that in some Shitty Guy Ritchie move. Where where this girl goes into our her height out? It's just like all show. Don't tell g like yeah. Take your blouse and like a slingshot. I love that it's backwards. So you can see the Mir that everyone else is like. Oh what's this backwards potassium Paseo but so he's got a book and it's a it's a primitive technology book. This is not the sort of thing we ever talked about. On this I uh-huh he's got Thing and then he's got a youtube channel and he's built every it's so satisfying to watch sounds right primitive technology primitive technology Well the pretty much. The inverse of create your own thing from scratches the experience variance applying through the through minecraft story mode this game at sixty seven percent on metacritic. Talk about five hundred K.. Sales for season one season. Two really tapered off your one hundred K.. Hey released episodically. As Telltale Games was wont to do back in the day I will say the the interesting detail about this be because telltale tale shutdown in November of twenty eighteen. They removed the game. From all digital stores. It is still playable on net flicks correct yet they they compiled it into a movie with limited interaction. Yes Anderson and you can play quote unquote play it on Netflix which is basically identical to play in the console. I but somehow just even more like I. That's that's like a weird like a gun that they're shooting offending the audience in the face with the barrel is also facing that. Say Yeah Look How shitty our game could be the world's shittiest move move so one one thing because of how telltale shutdown and they basically lost the rights for all. They're they're all pretty much. All their games were licensed from other properties in in Clearly this one was from promoting Because the xbox live Microsoft marketplace rather does does not allow for removing games from sale while at the same time allowing existing users to download the game. They did a workaround where each episode of the Games. xbox three sixty version was re priced to one one hundred dollars deter users from purchasing Omega. Yeah so they could have made it ten. Yeah so we all had to get physical copies of this game and play it. I got the xbox one version. I was in a panic so I got the switch version and then I would. It wasn't arriving arriving so I had to prime overnight myself. A different copy from Amazon and the only copy was eighty bucks. And I was like you've got this. Fuck it sucks doc for this game so we we should acknowledge that the cast includes a lot of Very funny great people. The voice actor. You know patent Oswald. Oswald is a male lead Bronco has a supporting role. There's a bunch of people from You know that that you know from comedy. It seems like they very much approach kind of the lego movie movie Mary Model and and the dates lineup with it. It was clearly inspired from the the Lego movie in terms of kind of being Meta take on this existing world voice. Acting isn't the problem now. Is the voice. Acting is has charming is is as it could possibly be partly a problem. Because we're friends with Brian and patented. So while you're playing game you're like plus might plus they're trapped in there. I do want to speak at a little bit in defense of Telltale Games. 'cause I do like in particular the walking dead and the wolf among us. I really like those games and I think they're really good. I think you know and we'll we'll we'll talk about this a little bit. I'm sure as as we talk through this specific game but I feel like they kind of spiraled into this cycle of just like you re using the same Formula Ella at a quicker and quicker pace with an increasing number of of licensed intellectual properties. And it just got so stale and this is like a stale as it gets I think by this point in the process. One gets the feeling that the true the only villain in this story is the are the guys that don't they're not they. They weren't the visionaries visionaries. They weren't the creatives at all right or it was some deal that got made that had to do with licensing. It was based on some decision about value of property the and runway. And things like that you talk about him board meetings because if you think about it from the consumer's perspective in any kind of Tom Hanks in in big way like like where. You're just like where you think about what people would want. It's the dumbest it's it's such a it's such a non starter. Yeah because minecraft is form over function yes and and and I played that walking dead game from telltale and I I before I stopped playing it. I thought well this is a valiant valiant. I I don't want this John Ritter die. Yeah because we. We can't make computers simulate reality enough for you to get a fully immersive story. So as long as you're writers are good enough half maybe I would want you know it's like Heavy rain or yes. Yeah you know like I there there. I people should keep pushing in that direction until we create gate like a neural net computers. That are able to do. Both you can be Batman and the play quality can be fun plus Actually you can literally do stuff. And it's like actual reality really hope we get there in our lives more than anything. I think we're close. I think that like both like magic leap in a are VR and stuff. I really hope I didn't mean to interrupt. You really fucking excited. I feel like we're going to be so old ability. It'll be a weird thing but I think that'll be like a huge audience to like old gamers. Like I think about that all the time to you Mike Please before I don. I put on a little silver headband from brainstorm rainstorm and like just experience like an actual role playing thing where I'm just let go the king of the elves and I'm on my throne and people come to to me and go like hey I could say whatever the fuck I wasn't gonNA grow a garden of L. Herbs in the backyard. They are different life. Like I can't just happened before we check out but but yeah I'm I'm glad you said that because I don't but that's why the it's like but applying that to minecraft is comedic insane. It's really late because is garbage to look at. That's the point it's punk rock. It's like everything's a cube. Everything is not designed aimed to look good and now so now you're taking that function over form a world paying this by the way no more function. Okay so nothing you're stuck in nothing. It's like a big movie that takes place inside inside of a staples and like every like man I took the part for me is that you don't look at those characters and be like what what. Why is there story? Sure same way you would look at a paper clip and be like. I really wish this guy had an adventure. That's not to say that you can't write an adventure that works for the paper clip like a brave little toaster. But it's not. I mean nobody was. Yeah it's almost. It's an extra knee and the nuts. I think they thought it was clever the Meta quotient. But it's just another near the nuts because they're big fans of mine craft right in this story. They're not big fans of killing creepers or growing trees. They're big and fans of minecraft the these characters they want to play minecraft and you have to sit there locked out of a candy store and hit the uh-huh lest you get made fun of for waiting to hit the button and when you hit the button they built a hut which you could walk over to your laptop and do most successful video game of all time it is. I texted heather that it's like. It's like watching a porno movie about a plumber. That goes over to a sexy XY lady's House and the camera stays on the plumber. His the sink talks to the sexy lady about a porn movie. They both love. I get your pants around your ankles and you're watching your scooby hates So the game begins with the Standard Telltale disclaimer. This game adapts to the choices you make the story is Taylor by how you play. which for me is it's eerie? It is the issue with the with. I think I think this is a product that is rush development is there are clearly areas words like they're trying to give you the illusion of a decision but really your dialogue options answer so lateral that. It's all guiding you towards the same path that it's the same thing every time. He has a notification in the corner. So it's like for someone will come up to you and go. Hey do you wanna eat a hot dog or a sandwich and you you you you you can. Also it lets you know you can also let it lapse and shoes and no matter what you do. It's like it will be the same identical notification. It'll say like Petra will remember emily. We'll remember the like why. It's such an adequate simulation of like midwestern social anxiety. I was like yeah. I know everyone remembers everything. I don't know what you mean. Petras internal life for that like later on that day. She just thinking about man. It's worth that. He got a sandwich in in the sixth episode. Turn out to be the most sophisticated game of the world. It was just all this amalgam ugly old. There's only one version of the story where it's like. Here's that sandwich you said you wanted. You remember when you told me to be friends with the look into the whole thing was like Holy Shit made five thousand versions of the narrative. anyways there was there was a notification popped up for me that was. Nobody will remember that. I can make some decision. You Make An. It's like comes up with the court is like nobody will remember remember. This is an additional layer like anxiety. Already when you have a conversation with somebody you feel that like Oh God. Don't say anything that's GONNA upset anything in the world but then there's also the second voice in your head that's like nobody cares right up talking and so both of those things are satisfied by this nightmare game. Yeah just reminding minding you by the way. You're wasting your simulate anxiety nobody will remember. This is underneath my high school yearbook photo and also on your tombstone. Nobody will remember this. I can't believe very Graham is set themselves up. That's like making eighty million dollar movie and calling it like something that rhymes with the shitty movie he up the reviewers we so we apparently we did. We found out that that at the so. There's Jesse can be your main character you can be. They're male or female the male voices is Is Patent as we mentioned all. I'll actually had the female voice. It's in front of me. But it's jared LETO so weird Catherine Taber candidate so apparently the the female character was added pretty late in development. which is it's it's? It's a nice at that. That option is available. Wonder the same thing I did where I was like. I wonder if the the net that the transgender community speaks with one voice and has thought but I was just wondering like you can spin that either way right you could be like Bravo for Oh Yeah you pick a pan sexual name name. Yeah and then you can like or or but you could also be like yeah. The whole point of it is that you have to be a boy or girl could have just been like an androgynous. Arjun is like minecraft character with a block for a head a all. Well okay so because we there was a a person involved in development who reached out to us with some of this stuff and they were like. Yeah we added this female character late in the game and and The some of the Qa problems where that like you'd be playing the game in the voice would drop out and be replaced with a male voice and like you'd have to suffer through the rest of the game that way A. K. as it's not that hard to just why was it. Why late in the game you know? Half half of the minecraft people are women or maybe not. Maybe it's like twenty percent but it just seems I would guess it has a higher female player base than a lot of I. I assume so so. It seems crazy that you'd be like let's capitalize on minecraft and make it into a soap opera but not include a female player. Character just seems crazy. Yeah I will say that there is. There is a character who is the the one bright light in this. which is Ruben the pig? I really enjoyed that. Low Block keeping keeping. Reuben is a ham sandwich. Yeah he took me a while to get you guys get far enough. How far did you get? I finished episode one of Season One and then I was just like I get this. I don't know what I stopped and I went and bought lumber episode six of season. Mike my weight is I think it has the death of the pig and it is not an option. It is not a choice. It is the the pig the the it's like killing the fucking Oli jaw like the pig dies. That's so dark it's so dark how does it Douai. It falls into a pit like it might come back. I don't believe it does. I mean I've only read ahead but I don't think the pig ever comes back. Well I I guess I guess if the U. They're only episodes they're never gonNA make any more. They only made three episodes of season. Two out of a planned five so I guess that yeah. That's just there's just finality analogy there one of the Venice kinetically dead one of the pickup pork win it when it yes okay so injured your inventory. They were testing it. Apparently that was not an unintended laugh. Is like the tragic death of the pig and then it becomes very advantage. I did have questions about tonality there. I was like. WHO's the audience here because it feels like beyond a little kids game it feels like almost like a three year Gerald's game but there's no such thing as a three year olds game and especially not one where just to rattle off the top of my head The guy get shot in the you know people get shot in the are you hitting the Arrow. The guy is the butcher is gonNA kill your pig friend with an ax. You're lesbian in front patriot. Like takes you into a cave and shows you a wither skull Like I don't all this idea of like like oh I've got the skull and I'm going to like I don't know I. It seems it's for kindergarteners the game the S. and yet I wouldn't want a kindergartener to play it because it's about murder and a violence and stuff. I don't mean to sound like a man be pampered but I'm just saying like I'd either. WHO's this game for? I think that's part of the issue because the game play is so oh simple and you know the there's a lot of the the even even on the by Telltale Games. The the gameplay sections are very restrictive. It's like it's like you don't have a lot of time to just sort of like look around and have some like I'm just gonNA walk around for just explore this what you advance their narrative pretty quickly quickly inevitably and then all of a sudden different. You're absolutely punished if you do it regularly places you almost as if it's like doing math homework like it's well we all know you. You crave playing a video game. So here's another one of those points where you you to look around and walk wherever you want. Yeah but I found I always just I just kept making a beeline straight forward and sure enough that takes you to the next. You could like tape. The joystick forward for those moments in that would be and then you'd be watching shitty movie on Netflix. So linear yeah bad. Ah when I play video games if like a cut scene is boring. I won't skip them but I will pick up my phone and I'll like look at twitter or something and I kept having the instinct during this game game and often would like be playing and there'd be like they'd be fucking talking and I'd like pick up my phone and like flipped his twitter real quick and then I'd look down and they'd and the characters would be like so you're not gonNA say anything and I had just missed some prompt. That show ended up being the no name. I was the no names to texting you. Just awful I ah yeah. That's your you pick your team name. I forgot I picked one of the options. I forgot which one I think the Yeah a Kaz. Because again they're all Somebody options are so lateral and intercon like an actual convers of the name of the town. I was so confused. INTERCON take hey can just convention culture in general because they wanted to somebody somebody pitched the idea of the madness. You know nerd culture and stuff but ender con. John is really just a place you go to to to just turns minecraft valley. That's where it's like. Oh you're yeah it's a competition I mean men but it's not like what you're saying earlier the the the quick time events to do any building in this game there are some some moments where you kind of get in front. One of the crafting table and you could use some actual crafting even that is pretty limited. But but most of the time it's like you're going to build a house so you're just GonNa Mash the button you know as fast as you can and then watch this thing sort of Auto Bild. It's one of those. Ut's that's like impossible to fail. Basically even the combat like the again I I played I played episode one so so maybe the die in difficulty rams. I'm guessing it doesn't much but it's just like it's just like dot such a dodge laugh at all. I did actually managed doc okay when the winter storm was ranking. And we're fleeing to the temple where we're going to go through the Nether Portal For the first first time and I just sort of like not paying attention may I ran into a thing that I wasn't and it says you died and then and then you just click the button. starts you over right very much reminded me kind of space. Ace for and right. Yeah it was like but it's like again that was one thousand nine hundred eighty three and even those people understood that. If you're going to remove more agency you see the pacman gives you you owe them. Don Blue Animation Right. Yes just see like the payoff. Can't be that I'm going to watch this blockade character a Gallup overhead and it's like that's not like wanting to see like guys stick of fucking a sword and the dragon the dragon's mouth or something. Get some gotta worship. I also also so another remarkable thing about what we're saying. Is that the volume of work that this represents the pages and pages is in pages of the branching dialogue like all having to be recorded three times at least in the boo. Like Brian was sane vio booth and like some engineer going like hey. We didn't get the word tuna there and now with the benefit of hindsight. Can you like like like he was was just speaking into a void. Notification should have come up on his day nobody nobody will remember. Ah It's so it when I when I see something like like if you play if you play like I dunno fucking techno cop. You're like you're like oh carry. Carrie this was. This was like five five months to two years of work at most right right from ground up with this like I mean this represents like years in the booth years like physical here in the booth just alone without like the the the script you'll see like a photo of like a script for a video game and it's like you know it looks like trump's taxes right the big bridge credits would be too much of a digression though go to say like for example. What's what's a game? That really impressed us in that off tried area. which is the site the illusion of of of sandbox in a branching narrative? My answer would be which are three I am. I was so impressed by romantic Kind've branch like thing I. I don't know if they just knew the guys are pigs and go like specific pathogens resistance. And like you're GONNA you're GonNa like kind of feel nagged by either by the Brunette and ten toward the redhead. And maybe maybe maybe that's how they succeeded was that it was that narrative was totally on rails and But it might the allusion for for me while I was playing with your three was like holy crap. I'm like watching a movie playing this CR- this awesome ass like open world Combo attack game. Where like going and finding doing whatever I want? Yeah and then. There's all these cut scenes where the whole point of it isn't now mash a really fast at the right time or crocodile. Man's going to kill spider man. It was just more like in those cut scenes. It was about about roleplaying and it was about like. Are you going to Nag this person or are you going to act we ask or are you gonNA be jealous or you're GONNA and then the results of those things would have these kind of. They wouldn't really affect game play but they acted the soap opera of your relationships I I mean recent example and this is on my mind because I've been playing at the the outer worlds a in RPG from obsidian that that that really really enjoy but they had in the first half of the game. There's a decision you're making where you're basically deciding siding and and you know it feels like an actual choice feels like an actual moral decision. You have like this one community. That's kind of you. You have one community. That's kind of like this. This this Hyper capitalist A dictatorship where were you know. Everyone is under the thumb of this corporation and then you have the splinter group that is kind of you know that is operating on their own. They're just foraging. They've created their own community. And you're deciding who you're going to route power to like one of these two choices knowing kind of the other community will die and like the choice is actually a thing that actually that has consequence like you're either going to destroy one or two of these communities both of which are inhabited by people that are like a real people that you can relate to that you have some sympathy for. I think that was. That's that's pretty. That was pretty satisfactory. Spy is pretty satisfactory in terms of how they executed that but it is a thing that a lot of times it is just a it is just artifice. It is just like these are superficial choices that you're making that feels like every choice in this even when it's like do I run or do I fight you. Try to run just like the ways blocked. I gotTA fight. You know. I knew I knew what I had a choice. For instance when you're a on that bridge uh-huh in what turned out to be the cold open. Yes right yeah I in the Kidney Punch. That game of the year like about this migraine has all happening before the opening titles like five minutes James Bond continues parachute with the British flag. I feel like the first time I had a branching ending. Was the first time for me that I like. It was either krono trigger or Silent Hill Hill to where I was like. Wait so there's a different ending if I did different stuff. I'm there wasn't any real role playing interactivity to it. But like you you you got a sense of like one of the things that this game really hits me with this. I fear of missing out constantly like Oh did I do the right fucking can thing at any of these given but this one yeah bottlenecks really fast and this one but with games that have fully blown different endings like colonel trigger. If you miss something I don't know third into the game. You get a different ending than you do a few Ma you get that thing. There's seventeen different ending. Yeah Yeah I think though an early one for me and this was poorly executed but Castellini to Simon's quest which socks but the the ending of that remember beating that as a kid and then it got the bad ending and I was so frustrated because it was so paik in terms of what you're supposed to do for the good or the bad ending. That's like I just beat Dracula and I'm feeling triumphant and then like Simon like goes to like his wife's grave raven like the weirdest one ever played was This that horrible fucking blade runner game. Oh yes I saw. I don't know what the Hell I accidentally did. I feel like a walked up to the jukebox. And hit it like Fonzie or something but like I spent a couple hours playing that game. I went down to a basement down a ladder. There were weird deformed conjoined twins and typing in a computer I. They were in the middle of some exposition. And I I think I hit a button. Wrong so so my character pulled out a gun shot in the head and the voice over for my character going. What a difference a day makes mix but it was like they won won the game? I was like the best blade runner. I was so confusing. I did not understand what I was supposed is to do that game. I still have my CDs from that game. Next burning bright. Yeah I still and now that I have a windows. XP LAPTOP LAPTOP. I Bet I could run it. It was such a high to game. I remember. I didn't actually play it. But everyone was losing their minds over and I was so happy I would just turn it on and go to his apartment and then leave the lights on that too. I mean that that I remember. I had a moment like that grandfather grand theft auto three where it was like. I don't know he's just like he's weird. Like tiffany moments where all of a sudden a game just like like I remember in the middle of some random mission unlike the Mafia don's house but and then I just like walked out from behind walked out of his house after he gave some cut not seen mission and then walked out to behind his house and the sun was setting and there were seagulls chirping and cars in the distance. I did and I all of a sudden my brain just exploded that I was like you can do anything you want in this game. They like my character never vir- speaks 'cause it's GTE three and I don't like the Arab when I remember because they had the Jealous Sound Jack and you could go to your apartment -partment and go out on the balcony. Drink a Martini and look at the dark future. It was such a loaded promise though it was it was like it was like they were like. I think they've built the game from that outward. Well that game was real time. So if you've missed a decision you could never fix it like if you weren't at that tougher graphic adventure at like the Chinese noodle place At the moment that this character was there. You'd miss it and there was no going back possible bowl. That game was somehow doing something right that and and like we misunderstood it because we weren't mass. Maybe yeah so you could you. I'm not actually you're in that sense you you can still have another go at it because you get to replay the day right or the seventy spent well. Hey we should. We should get to our final thoughts on on minecraft story mode. It's time for the review. What a difference? A day makes So we'll each go around say something positive the game numerical call decimal rating All all start and I will just say that I think the main title music is pretty good. Believable you're fucking devotion. Yeah I liked it. I started up as like okay. This might be okay so my that word peak for me. I'm but you know I don't i. They have a lot of sympathy for the developers at Telltale. And I think they they had a tough task here and I don't blame any of them for this But it was I did not enjoy myself at all and I think think since they played one episode of the first season. I'm going to give this a one point one. Okay go ahead other. I really said this is just the programming thing I really liked that you could switch between Controller I played it on the switch yes and you could switch between controller input or touchscreen input by just touching either the controller or the screen so like the dialogue branches. Were really really really tiny on the switch and you couldn't really read them so I would like like touch the screen and then they'd become like it would like an iphone nice and that was a really nice bit of programming that I wish I so one one of my problems with the switches that like when I'm in a store in a switch a game in a game on the switch if I'm in a store and there's menu options I should be able to touch the options agents and it's crazy to me the default and this game was default with that so I give this game point seven. got a never bothered me before and now that you said that it's all I'm going to think about when playing switch games all right now. What do you think well I love I do love the telltale walking dead head? I've played the Batman one the guardians of the galaxy one. They're all obviously just like Licensed the Guardians Galaxy. One made me cry. Which is why it's it's such a good? I only played one chapter but it was really good My positive thing for this one will be this quote. After after Ruben meets untimely fate petrous says he was a great pig. Played that far too. Yeah it's Sir I think that's just a great great eulogy for a wonderful character was almost says that at my funeral. All Right Dan. Something positive in your numerical score. There's two things I can think of. What when when Israel kind of minor but nuance in the realm of these Games where you're put upon the user to like? Oh you get to choose what you say. Next just conversationally. I thought there was a I. Don't know how many games do this and I think this is a telltale games thing. They had an understanding adding of I the way I described as like L. cutting conversation dynamics so that instead of the traditional final thing where all eyes turn to you for your response and there's weird uncomfortable silence and maybe Some ancillary things are going well. Aren't you going to say something right while you get a soda and some Pepperoni or whatever I thought it was cool that they they like Somebody would say like. Hey you have to choose whether you want pizza or a hot dog. And then as you're interface came up up to choose pizza hot dog or no choice. There would be a dangling like Conversation Overlap thing there where the person would say like 'cause you never know you know you might get hungry later or you might the th they continue so that the silence that of you getting thing to choose what you're going to choose which it's actually closer to how the human brain works. You are picking your response as the human You're interfacing with is finishing their thoughts right. You've decided halfway through their question to you. And I I don't know that's that's that's that was a very and I think that's a that's a thumbs up to telltale games and like I'm sorry you guys went out of business because I believe there is passion over there for storytelling and then just on a super like engineering level I thought whoever was storyboarding Like at at the point in the In the Nether on the mine cart tracks I was like whoever hoover directed this whoever kind of coordinated the the action of this they really cared they really and I felt like they also kind of liked minecraft and it made me go like God. I really we'll have to see minecraft movie It could be so cool like like this this visual Palette and like the idea of like mind Kart track going through the Nether and like stuff like I and that was because some a whole huge team of people that were like storyboarding and stuff I think they. They were taking a lot of pride in their work and doing a good job. Yeah all right so what what was it. Oh I mean one point zero. Yeah I just bought lumber after I played I will. Those were our thoughts on minecraft story mode. But Hey have their. Maybe we're wrong. Maybe we're wrong. Ah We're GONNA read some reviews from people the different opinions Heather you go I. I've got something this is so okay. My reviews are a little all over the place and I just want to say that. This one This is a negative review for the wrong reasons so I wanted to share it. Only reviewing some of the word choices used I not gameplay one star three years ago JD uprights. This is a review coming from apparent. Who's reviewing only what I am hearing? I have never played this game game. I was just surprised. The following being used. Shut up Freakin. Do we need to help these tools. Things I would never allow my kids to say also an F. F. Y. eight-year-old here playing with my son said he only has one more part to go and he has the whole thing finished so I'm not sure what the good what good the game will be once. It's finished again. I'm clueless just passing this on the same review. Yeah she's got concerns about the language language but then also by the way and you can't even play it a thousand times. I like this one three years ago. Five Stars I'm I'm you I. I am highly against the idea of minecraft even exists but Telltale Games puts a unique take on a game that is is usually just walking into nothingness and give it life. He plays Jesse male or female. Who's Day of entering? INTERCON is thrown way off. Course I we think you're only problem is your pet pig Ruben. Running off it turns into an adventure. You won't forget this game. Has Everything I venture monsters annoying but amazing amazing mazes hero villains friendships. And of course Ruben the best pig ever this guy did not get. The game has everything because when they played minecraft their summary of it is walking into nothing so they just never made a torch and then my final review view. I'd like to share it if you google. minecraft story mode reviews. There are one thousand one hundred and seventy two reviews to go through but my favorite is the second one that comes up yes. This is a solid well-made tool at a reasonable price not having the power of a Maine's grinder. It's very useful for those small jobs. You can't be bothered dragging out and extension on full review of. They were viewing router table. And I'm hell cordless angle grinder. I know that the reviews that at the end they go thumbs up to the title of Minecraft at it's finest and I know cordless angle grinder and then not what he expected and Only reviewing some of the etc.. I twenty eighteen piece from the verge of for my. Maybe we're wrong Toxic management costs an award-winning game studio. It's best developers by Megan. Franke Menashe. I'm just GonNa read a little bit from this piece is a really. It's a really good piece. As telltale became more more prolific. It took on more and more simultaneous projects. One employee described a t shirt that the studio distributed with this episode release dates as so pack. That looked like it was promoting a concert tour to give up the work load. The company started rotating developers in and out of different games during the development process. Sometimes in ways that employees said make little sense as one former telltale developer. Put it nine women. Men can't make a baby in one month. Do Focus on quality really started to shift to. Let's just get as many episodes out as we can. The source says scrunch cultures well-documented epidemic havoc in the game industry. Some former employees reported working fourteen to eighteen hour days or coming in every day of the week for weeks on end but we're most developers go into crunch mode in the final months of the game leading up to its launch. They described it as constant and its final paragraph Arabe Burning to this week's game. Although skeleton crew remains this was written well while it was still in development although although skeleton crew remains to finish minecraft story mode no one the verge spoke to seize tell tales layoffs is anything but the end telltale is dead former employees were unsure how the remaining developers I were chosen to wrap the project which the company calls an effort to fulfill the company's obligations to its board and Partners those still working on minecraft story mode. Expect that once that project wraps they're probably is going to be laid off next. What does the notion? Maybe we're right so yeah oh my God it's like a fucking I can't imagine Zhenhua slog that must have been on that so we all I mean I think you can feel the work coming off of that game and our heart bleeds for the creatives. This engineer is that actually put the work in. Yeah it was just like the only villains or some some accountant that some salesman at the top. The yeah didn't give a shit went home. Slept like a baby. We'll pour went out for telltale. They did have some good games in their in their in their collection. I'm hey it's time for the question block all right. This is from at hat thump. US Me Thumpers me dumped me. If you could pick any media franchise to be turned into a telltale style point and click adventure. What would you choose You know what I see this is this is a not directly answering but my answer would be like I just WanNa see an original p like. I just want to see like that. was they feel like the thing the was missing from A. They're just like somebody that Lucas Arts Adventures I loved. Were just like things like the secret of monkey island or grim fandango ending. Yeah these were like these are games. That didn't they just made up because it was some guy's idea person's idea and I'd like to see more of that I would have loved to have seen more of that from the studio. I wish that naked answered the question. I want to see nick. Answering questions turned into a point and click on. Arrest me an answer around here somewhere. That's not a nickel remember that I would want Amadeus Telltale gawk place Ellie area and that like one of the options is like you like you pull it off you get requiem you publish it and everybody. Everybody celebrates here and then either like you die happy or you realize that did satisfy some way but I would love Amadeus the telltale style adventure game Encyclopedia Brown around Yeah that'd be fun is like like I I I love true. Crime Love I love mystery stuff and I've seen a bunch the games like when I was a kid. There was a game Troopers Guy Troops on Apple Two E. Shrug like I. It was just like I. Maybe I'm projecting but it was like felt like. Oh God. How old are you shot? In a moment I was like I think Dannon I might be almost the same aged. You were shrugging off tomorrow Yeah I don't know like a kid detective thing like so that you are yeah. I don't know Yeah Cycle pedia Brown. That was a big property when I was a kid. Yeah I love it. I'm thinking of something like the Irish. The Irishman not where you are the Irishman or like Jimmy Hoffa or anything like that but somebody who worked alongside of them and you have to navigate through the game without getting and killed by the Irishman. Every choice you make is like okay. That's good but it also you're pissing off these other guys too so the choices are very very. It's just a survive arrive. The Mafia game okay. Yeah sorry gone fucking I ordered Spaghetti and then this is the restaurant where the guy really proud of his chicken that going to be an issue. Yeah exactly That was the original pitch dock for the execrable Sopranos Game. I worked on Sopranos Road to respect and the the idea was it was going to be more of that narrative more of that you know L. Verbally based story base and then T H Q. The publisher just went and was like we just want grand theft auto with Sopranos so like turned into a beat them up. What are you All right what's what's What's your next question? This one's from at Blaine train. We've seen a resurgence of included in in recent years but it hasn't really guarded the following. It previously held what what needs to change with the genre to bring it back in a big way if at all possible. It's always been a Nissan right right. Has It ever been like a big dominant genre at any any point gaming history. Would you argue that. When point and Click was in its golden years that Arcade Games were more popular and thus it was niche? Because it was a few do things that you could play at home. Like kings quest game is basically a point and Click Game Ryo for sure. Yeah that that's That's absolutely as as would be missed. Right right yeah like so. That was off of like graphics. Like things could look as beautiful as a painting but you're pointing and clicking. Yeah graphic I mean grab grab somebody who who played a lot of graphic adventures. Missed was one that was like kind of frowned upon by people in the WHO like love that genre because that was the one that was like made a bunch of off to interact with the mainstream to first person. Yes yeah walking down a path rate. Yeah and that was the game that like my dad. WHO's not Outta Gamer? Played because he was like. Oh missed this school you know so I yeah I I don't know it's a kind of always had been shown in my opinion and for that matter are those Does Escape Room Games. Oh Room the room one. The room to room three are those point and click because I I I O S Games are is that There's a resurgence of point and click. Wouldn't it be because now we have touchscreen devices. Yeah people thought that might usher in Renaissance and I still think there are people like like to play just like puzzle games with their phones. I think you wrote like some fucking mine. I I think I think if you wrote an incredible point click adventure. It would drive traffic to the genre. I think if you look at the room and missed. I'm sorry my spectrum is limited to that there's like those are point and Click Games if you can call them that that I've enjoy sure and I to me than the secret is The opposite of the feeling of futility like when the standard is like having a character standing in a room. And it's like that there's background noise. And there's this big giant room full of Shit and then keep clicking on Shit and ninety percent of the responses are who what do you mean you touch that Fuk. You need a wrench for that. This is my life should be like point. Click missed kind of concord that it wasn't constant negative feedback it was positive feedback or no feedback at all and I would put the room games in that category to use zoom in on the desk. And then you start fiddling needling the Rolodex or you start dialing thing and then I click pink clang. You look at a photo that to me. I think it's the the lost art I think ink is ratio of positive to negative feedback. There I got there eventually. Answer was point and Click. Let's get one more question okay. This one's from at Adrian skier. What other Games would you like to see as a different genre from what it was originally example? A final fantasy as a fighting game. D- CITY A-. Didn't you have like a Karaoke fighting game I did. That was my big pitches. That of Karaoke streetfighter. It'd be really really fun. We have to in order to punch a demand up. You have to you have to get the words. Correct Yeah Let's see a genre from what it was originally Um I I will. I will say that we had there was a there is a Kukuh piece that came out as of this like the same week. As this record it will be a little dated by the time this episode comes out by this upcoming indie game. That's called Super Mash. Yes were which is a a a platformer you do like a platformer with stealth elements or a shoot them up with Jr PG battles you you get to mash up different genres and see how that like manifests itself as a game. I just thought that was a really cool concept. I I don't like like I really like more. You'll get to do so much shit. I'm trying to think of something. He hasn't even gotten to do. I did I did really love the Mario. RPG's so that almost makes me. I'd like to see a sonic RPG. Just as Jay RPG with sonic and the shitty friend uh-huh and like I just feel really fun. World Explore Nightmare way any classic sick platformer or a top down game like Mario or Pacman as as a first person. Rpg Oh yes like the there. There hasn't been like an Mario first person. Now first person where you're wack 'cause like that idea of like you go to village this is just like doing the Sky Rim of Mario taking it very seriously that you're this Italian plumber. That like oh go down pipes and then I like I need to get this flower. This mushroom whatever. Race people talking to you and it's very dramatic an arc doubt or Pacman in the same way that you're just this thing and it's all about upgrading. Your character like you're in this station between like upgrading. Your pacman before you go out and fight these ghosts right maze. WHO's like souls? You have to release. It's like got like some like dark element in terms of what they are exactly. I think you'd be yeah. Why are they ghost unfinished business were they were they yorgos are they? Pacman goes. It'd be great to to do what you've just said. But half half Pacman as is exist in the world of Sky Rim and have everybody wrestle with it when like just the concept of it coming into the village like all dialogue trees are like. Why are you you're describing the made for TV miniseries of Langa leers? Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. It was. Basically Brenston pit show Aka balcony from perfect strangers on an airplane. Going what is that and Pacman came over the horizon. Eight eight everything part one part two when they really really bad early. CG FOR EQUALITY CG comes in as yet but it looked like like pacman or pacman. Eating this guy. It's very strange. Hey hit us up with your questions or comments at get played pot on social media or played pod at gmail.com as our email address Dan and harmon. Thank you for playing minecraft story. Thank you for joining us today. Anything you would like to both of you for Mason. I understand I might. Flashback is having heather on on my show and going like keep the best job in the world and she's like no we regret it. I I appreciate learning how the other half lives. I know. I don't have anything to plug. I'm retired I'm going to glue together occur at what's next week's game next week's game game is death stranding. That sounds great. I can't wait to play. It's high can I love building stuff. I love delivering a great episode. Heather other well. Thanks Nick. I thought you did a good job. Good job a yeah. Nickel remember that. What what the what I just said great great episode? You know I mean like I heard in your voice say that Nick will remember what I said was that Al Louder was that in my head was allowed. Why really thought you did a good job? Okay wait what Matt will remember that that will why of Matt Wise Matt. Didn't you think I did a good job too. Is that a choice. You're yes I thought you did a great job. You both did great jobs. This is a good show. I mean it wasn't but we will remember.

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When Trump Refuses To Concede

ACLU Civil Liberties Minute

01:29 min | 3 d ago

When Trump Refuses To Concede

"President trump has refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power. Now, what I'm Tom Harmon and this is the civil liberties minute with ACLU Attorney Bill Newman listen to trump's Orwellian logic says he repeats that he obviously will win the election. The only way he could lose is if the election is rigged, he would abide by the results of a fair election, but the election that would be fair is One that he wins trump's later modification of his position is in some ways even more chilling he asserted with certainty that the election will be decided by the supreme. Court. Thereby promising that if he is not pronounced the winner he'll sue and that who went his lawsuit trump also made clear. The one big reason to push his supreme court nominee to Senate confirmation is so that he can feel confident that. The court at least five to four will reinstall him as president when his challenge to the election results ends up before the nine justices in other words, election is not so much about the more than one hundred and fifty million popular votes and the giving up of the five hundred and thirty eight electoral college votes. But rather about nine votes, the nine Supreme Court justices, votes, of course, the popular vote. In the reported Electoral College vote actually really do matter the bigger trump's loss. If he loses the more implausible, his challenge will appear to the judges and justices who will be called upon to rule on his lawsuit decide who will be the president as of January twentieth twenty twenty one, the civil liberties minute is made possible by the Aclu because democracy and advocacy begin with you and freedom can't defend itself.

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You and Your Faithless Electors

ACLU Civil Liberties Minute

01:30 min | 8 months ago

You and Your Faithless Electors

"Did you know that when you vote for president. You're actually not voting for your candidate. I'm Tom Harmon and this is the civil liberties with ACLU attorney. Bill Newman sorry if this is unsettling news. But what's really happening is that you're voting for electors to the electoral college who have pledged to vote for your candidate and will presumably if your candidate and at eight wins the popular vote. It's a winner. Take all system usually statewide although in Maine and Nebraska each congressional district decides one electoral vote. But sometimes sometimes electors don't vote as they had promised to do indeed in two thousand and sixteen seven so-called faithless electors five pledged to trump and to to Clinton and jump ship and voted for neither of those candidates which didn't matter because the electoral college vote wasn't that close but in another year a switch and a handful of electoral votes could actually decide who becomes president in two thousand. For example. The Final Electoral College vote was two seventy one for Bush to sixty six for Gore. Her historical precedent supports the idea. That electors indeed can change their mind and vote for whoever they please that said the Supreme Court which previously has never decided this issue. You has just taken a case from Washington state which raises it precisely. A decision is expected by June way. Better to be sure than the case being before the court in November her when the electoral outcome could hang in the balance. The civil liberties. Minute is made possible by the A._C._l._U.. Because Democracy and advocacy begin with you and freedom can't defend itself.

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This Much Funches

Harmontown

1:54:52 hr | 1 year ago

This Much Funches

"Hey, guys, Jeff b Davis here, as you know, I care about clothing, am I a better person for carrying about clothing than you are. I would say, yes, here's the thing. If you're well dressed everybody gives you a little bit more respect as the poet. Real ca said, you must change your life. And I'm going to change your life right now with a company called stitch fix is an online personal styling service that finds and delivers clothing, shoes accessories to fit your body your budget and your lifestyle you tell them. You're sizes tell them what you like tell them. How much you want to pay and they will send you stuff. And if you don't like it, you don't have to wear it. You can send it back to them. You'll be paired with your very own personal stylist who will hand pick five items send to you. You try them on you pay for what you want you pay for what you love you don't pay for what you don't like. And you turn the rest shipping. Exchanges and returns are always free. 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Download Himalayas that's H I M A L A Y A or if Himalaya and don't forget to follow Harmon town once you're there. Hello. Check one two to be you can hear that. Right. What it is from from downtown, Los Angeles, erred. Downtown adjacent. Los Angeles MacArthur park where Richard Harris, a really really long terrible song about Carmen town is now in session. The game master skating, rob. Find the death where you belong. Let's bring in a mayor for one time. You know, Dan Harmon. It's cold out here. The top of this desk. Daniel the top. Hi, how you doing? Example, this debt is very very cold. Just filling air. Okay. Thank you. Not what you can do for your country. Whereas what your country can do for you? Where's spencer? Where's Spencer wha-? What have we done? Do is Spencer. Do we know I didn't kill him. We just we just we started having a big fight in the green room, you and me. I wasn't aware of this. Why what what did you? What did you do as die hard? Like you. I don't even want to forget it. I'm sorry. I brought it up. What was the beef? It was it was just I rob is miss remembering diehard stuff. And I just watched diehard again around Christmas time because as we all know movie. And. I the the we were talking about the number of times like the runner of John MacLean rolling his eyes at California culture as he arrives. He's scripted crossed the threshold. So so no necessary order. Let's enumerate them you're mixing and matching like there are women hitting on him. That's about his marriage to Holly Genero. Yes. Okay. This the flight attendant? Yes. I always called her a stewardess, but that would have been fine in die hard times. She she gives him Google is. And he's like what happens. I think that's just he's he's my perception is he's like he's going to be difficult. It's going to be difficult to to came back. An art my wife, he flew out to why are they getting a divorce? Why did they separate because she chose her career and went to New York, and he was like a silently abusive male who was like not putting his hands on her. But was like, I'm a New York cop. He explains this all the Argyle like he has no reason to lie. He explains it to Argyle. He goes, I'm a New York cop. Like, I got cases to solve. I'm not going to get up and leave for who's who's are. Oh, the limo seeing. All right. I know there is a guy at the in the in the in the plane that said take your socks off. And I thought oh his name is Argo that makes sense. But I was wrong. Is that it's kind of a David Lynch thing, right? The one guy says take your socks Joe's. My name is commander socks, and it would be like a David Lynch thing like. You forget what I was. You never got a chance to let me finish my thought. That the whole reason there is a there is a the first person to play John MacLean was Frank Sinatra. All right. Yeah. No. That's very interesting to me. I'm not being sarcastic. Yes. Because they there. Okay. So diehard is made on is based off of a book. I don't know the name of the book somebody they'll get up. All right. I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Anyway, just makes on a plane snakes on a plane with the original the original nineteen thirty four Joseph Conrad novel. Okay. So so die hard the book. It's not called diehard the book. But let's say I heard the book is the sequel to another story another book, featuring John MacLean that was already made into the into a movie starring Frank Sinatra the character's name was John MacLean. I think so but it's based off it's the same series. I think they switched it up a little bit. I don't know. I haven't seen this movie. I would like to hang out with you. So Frank Sinatra played a character in a film called in the character's. Name was John McLean. It's a I don't I think they might have changed the name or whatever. I don't know. I don't have it in front of me. But. The thing the point is is that when they made die hard. They had to go to Frank Sinatra who I think was in his seventies. At the time and say, hey, do you wanna play John MacLean contractually they had to go to him? Anyway. What? No. And they went. Oh, okay. Because we already cast it with somebody else. Okay. So some problems solve themselves while he was seventy he's not gonna do ya motherfucker and shooting the glass and the and the the hose walking, you know, he's not gonna do that you seventy. So somebody's Frank Sinatra pretty seventy minutes Sinatra Rancho helicopter landed in like, two guys, come out and suit. So take their hats off, MRs Sinatra. It's Frank home. She's like she opens the door wider, and he comes with the issue bag on the rack. And he's like, what are you what baby? And they go Mr. Sinatra are do you want to play a nineteen eighty two action here? Nineteen eighty six eighty seven hard. Do you wanna play a do you want to do you want to pick up where the star? We're either gonna use you or the or the star of the Seagram's wine cooler commercials. And he said ring a ding ding, Jack. Okay, good. We're glad you said that because Jesus Christ that was a close one because we're halfway through shooting. Ring a ding ding, Jack. Yeah. Motherfucker right. Because he is kind of a sequel to last week show because you were saying you'd be references. I was all right. Yeah. Listen to the recording was I hear. All right. Well, I apologize for the show tonight. I it's rainy no one wants to be here. Except you guys. I'm sure the and we'll make it worth your while and spend the rest of the country's freezing freezing freezing. It's been raining here. Now, God cold. I like the church has two seats taped off next her like she she doesn't like. Human contact. Seats reserved for your the polls. Or that mania and depression reserved don't come near me. When does it? What are they going for all? I almost hit. I always hit somebody tonight with my car with your car. Thank you for your applause. Weird homework theater version of the devil. Oh, I know. The Addams family Addams family. They like this this soup is cold. I love it. What Joe the Addams family? What you never mind. Just come on. He meant the munsters. No, no. It's the Addams family. They're like they're like, that's how do you like my dress? It's it's dark. It's tadjou. It looks like a funeral gown. Love it. Gomez. You were terrible last night. Please do it again. Do you think that extends to like do they end up just randomly inverting things? Like if they Addams family lasted thirty seasons where they'd just be like, I'm standing in this chair because I love hate it. And they're just like floating around the room like cubes are circles. I think not I sneezed backwards and drank all these Bogor's you seriously think about it. You couldn't you couldn't make like. You could make the Addams family movie these days because there's too much like we feel like we're pressing up against the edges of evil. Right. Because the that was like a very Clinton era like kind of thing like you could be punk rock remake, the Addams family because who doesn't want to be it was like like like, oh, Lydia in Beetlejuice is Wednesday Addams. So let's do the Addams family. Okay. That's fun. Like who doesn't feel like an atoms in when they're in high school? But the answer is everyone who's like feels like their life is in danger. Now, it's like like like if you were if you really go down the road of what the Addams family like the bits, they'd be doing. It would be like I can't I can't even riff examp- booed off the stage because of the examples the misfits the the narrow dwells the people back is a bus the people that the square pigs the round holes of life, these people that's your your voting for when you turn eighteen Wednesday who's the most divisive candidate? Eight good girl. Which which school would you like to go to Columbine? Oh, you're such a you're such an atoms. Here so unseen with your atoms. Ness, you want to go to the bloodiest place for school. See I told you, and if I tell you you're not allowed to be offended. It's called getting out in front of it. Look it up. On your precious internet, kicked me off of it. Get nothing to do now. But collect cookies a my ipad. And I was I was in the car with Dan on the way here, and he was collecting all those cookies did he hit anybody? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I always get somebody. It wasn't because I was calling for the whole audience is no that guys in top hats judicious. I just got come trolled by shrub. Taking somebody's gotta get this train into the station. Somebody's gonna keep the Vivek and bells ringing on time. And I wasn't glazing cookies. Gotta it wasn't doing anything, particularly rob text text. This comes from Chris boroff in the sound booth. Europeans are popping. My Ps are popping. No, apparently, the Frank Sinatra movie nothing lasts forever. And that was written by road, drink Thorpe. I accept your. All right anyways. I was a young lady. I. I want to minimize it by saying she was dressed like a ninja. But she was you know, it was yoga pants and a sweater. It wasn't the brightest sweater in the world. It's look it's my fault. I'm in the one in the vehicle, but. But. It's like a weird thing because I wasn't really doing anything irresponsible. I just wasn't driving as if you might hit someone any moment. Just got too comfortable so used to like get off the freeway joining the tesla hands-free like, no, no, no. Get off the freeway, and like psychologically in like autopilot, not actual tesla autopilot just sort of like this is what I do every day. This is there's no no there's never pedestrians around here. Just had that experience. If like, she was jogging, and she I just sort of like, I didn't. I'm so used to taking this corner. And I just kind of like, yeah, I slowdown. But there's no stop sign there. So I I'm I'm going to slow down a little bit. And then I'm gonna take this corner as I'm taking this corner. There's there's this person in their jogging slammed on the brakes. And she looks over shoulder hearing the silent. Plaintiff wail of a tesla coming to a halt. And she kind of lip sync some stuff, and I can't hear because of my amazing car that's seals off all sound in an air. Jogs away a mute a mute poor person. Calling her pointless cries into the filthy air that I don't have to breathe in my tesla. This story is getting charming. But it just like very. Yeah. I know like sliding doors moment because I could have just tapped. I might have just tapped her on our owner hip, and surely she would have like full boom, you know, like all of zero sum game when it comes to your car colliding with a pedestrian either do it or you don't even if she hadn't been seriously injured like kind of like if a car just slides into you at two miles an hour like she would rag Dowd off of my hood STA. Madge, I wouldn't be here tonight. Veget- your whole life could be changed. I don't know what my point is nothing matters vote for Ron Perlman. Zero sum game. God. Let's bring out our guests. Mind. Explain yourself. He's here promoting his upcoming comedy central special which was last month, but he had to reschedule. So please, welcome. Brian funches? What's on? How's it going, man? I'm good. I'm a little of a travelling a little sleepy. But I'm kind of in that run funches kind of mellow zone zone being. Are you actually this mellow or is put on like do you run? Actually this much funches. I mean, I didn't enjoy that. I don't go away. I fired to be in that mellow zone that you're in is not bad. How would we ever know? If you're silently raging, though, I I guess you wouldn't be silent as you were in tune with me like a lot of people who are less. I think pleasant than you less pleasant than you. If we were to. Act like you usually do like it would for us of the less pleasant variety. It might be a warning sign that we were upset about something. That makes sense if you were to act like me. Yeah. If we were like so asthma, dick. Medically permeable. Like, you're you're always like, hey, Ron. How're you doing? I'm doing good. I'm fine. And it's like if if if someone asked me doing, and I said that it might mean that I was very upset. My hit that lady with your. Got a body to bury. Ronda, we talk about this before on the show. I was behind you at an airport. And I thought it was you. But you're in front of me, I didn't see your face. But I think that's run and you got stopped by airport security, and you got the the full Monty. You got Pat down the whole thing. And you were the only non white prison that I don't remember where it was maybe Washington or something, and you got the whole thing, and you were just chilling fucking groovy like like like, I would have been fucking pissed off. You're just let it happen usually pay chill about it. Because I do drugs with me. So you gotta play a cool. Yeah. Always the thing that made me laugh. I'm always like, oh, you guys also thorough. Was there a transition for you or you as a six year old child on the playground where you? Easygoing and Pleasanton giggly and cuddly, or did you have a come to Jesus like John the Baptist? Holy shit. Like if we flash back to you. There's an origin story where you're like putting them tax under frog. What? Something John the Baptist. Did. I guess. No one's supposed to unpack my language that much. I just get the general just to the question people, usually just go, whatever you say. What are you guys Pete Holmes or something listening to what I ask revealing that it makes no sense? My question is like, yeah. Like, what were you? Always learn habit or just who I am or have you gone through a Piff unease threats. Yeah. Everybody does you know by goes through growth, personal changes people, you know, and I got through enough. I think they have enough personal traumas. Like, my life's never been like easy. So like single para my mom's a single, and we moved into from Chicago are from LA to Chicago and lived in a rough area, and my mom was in the of relationship and with you. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't good. Not a funny joke. I mean, just let castaway sometimes they're hilarious knows. Sometimes you gotta pick your moment. I mean. Yeah. Voice under my life. Don't the deep secrets about whom it makes you who you are being also I'm gonna make a but. Fight feet apart sandwich. Yeah. So I got what I deserved. Let it go and keep answering. Yeah. So. Just stuff like that. And then my life, and then my son, and my son has had I had some very young when he's twenty and then he found out he had autism. My time was twenty two. And and that kind of was just like, I think I just had enough things kind tweak my brain where I was like, oh, I know what I wanna do. And I and going to try to do this. And and once I started getting a little it wasn't always good. I was you know, my early twenties. I wasn't like a great person. I didn't know I was doing. It was a flow just kind of being like a shitty nerd, you know, you know, when you're like, oh, get picked on and things have been bad for me. So my life owes me shit. Right. You know? And then I just had a point where I realize like nothing was coming to me. I had to go and get whatever I was going to get. And we're there any moments like that you remember where you that were like external stimulations, whether they were like events or. Stations where you were like oh. And then that's when I realized oh shit. I've been doing this this way. And I should do it this way. Now instead like like where there any like defining moments. What I I don't know. I mean might as what I'll undercutting. I mean the moment that I think that put me into like high gear MO Moton. My most motivating moment was a little bit after I found out. My son was diagnosed with autism. And then I went into this park that had always taken my son to when he was young and or younger because it was two times diagnose, so I'm just like one or Zelzal the same park that I used to smoke weed in when I was in high school and me, and my girlfriend would just go hang out and make out there who eventually was my ex wife, and and we're there, and we're find out that kind of shell shock and just kind of talking about it. And then we see the group of disabled adults in their caretakers kind of pull up to the park as well. And the way that the caretakers spoke to them and treated them was very dismissive, and very cruel and treat them all. I guess they were prisoners and then people to be looked after. And at that point. I was. Like, oh, I have to figure out a career after figure out something. This is bigger than me. Whatever I'm doing like this before that you started doing comedy. Yeah. So then you chose comedy out of that epiphany. Yeah. So we're you for you. For you on the east side like this. Just focusing moment. Just to understand the U this caretakers being flippant abusive wherever they were prisoners were yelling at where you was your Pitney because you felt like, oh, that's a shitty person. And the did you see a little bit of? You're like, oh, I've been a shitty person other thinking like I never wanna be that more. Like, I don't wanna be like that. And it was more like I don't want that for my son. And I guess I'm guess I'm not really thing is more. This is more motivating than me as a person. I think anything's me as a person has been just bull. No, wait. No. That's. Because I'm a narcissist. So I'm thinking about filing things north. I really shocked. He told a story about you almost killed the lady, you're like, I could have been laid. She shook address. She had a bright white sweater on. Like immediately caught myself revising. I was like I'm gonna describe this story. This is something interesting to talk about she was dressed, so darkly. Fucking sweater. I'd stop it. But the the idea that so your answer. The question is more interesting 'cause you're feeling you felt empathy for the disenfranchised in that moment. And so what you were feeling was those people need someone to be better for them. And the only people that are in a position to be better for them are people that have that option and that invited you upward to that plane is what I'm kind of interpreting mostly it was just like I got mine on my sons never in this fucking was this. Oh, okay. Wow. You were what twenty two you said at the time. And so you said gonna make this money, and did you when was the decision to go to comedy, you already kind of leaning in that direction that you always wanted to do it. You know, the thing that I was interested in. But I think it was a real job. And so I was like I knew I needed a career and not just a job. I was working like this Bank, call centre, and I hate it. And I knew that I couldn't stay there. What part of town were you in and Salem, Oregon. Yeah. So do you start like like doing open mic and like doing doing, Mike Portland? And then there's this Chinese food restaurant, and Salem that has his show puts called Lookie fortune. I've been there. It's good in there. Yeah. So you know, they would do shows the Chinese food and the guy was so bootleg movies after the shows, and it was just. A good place for you to cut your cut your teeth. You know? They had open mic there. No just show. It was a show. It wasn't good. So. My well, he'd always be like I remember for years. He he he was telling me that. I forgot the name. Now, the story is gonna be horrible. So never mind. But what do you do curious? So you if you have that pithy. That you're Buddha moment. You're like, okay. I like my kid. I if if he slips through my fingers, he's going to end up a ward of people like this guy that you saw in the park. And so then you go I gotta do what I love not just go get a job managing factory floor like it's about money. But it's also about following your bliss. So what does somebody young do when they decide they want to take comedy seriously like what are your first steps like sitting there with a Manila legal pad and a pencil like like like describe those days. Yeah. I mean back then Greg right out full scripts of my jokes and stuff and I'd like go over them. And and try to remember is every word, and did you you included people laughing in your head like like pause, and then they'll be all these laughter's hole. Applause. And then I would even like fact checked my jokes like, oh, someone someone hears this joke. They might call me out on the on the background. So I better know about this. That's very for for whatever that era was probably a little overly responsible of you. Yeah. No. I over elva pair. You're ready for today. You're like vetting your stand up against the the ears of twenty five million angry people. What was it threshold Ron from like being an open mic, and then did you move to LA right away? Or no. That would have been a bad. This is. The fresh from being like I'm going to try this out to going. Oh, this is working. And I'm I'm now like like, you're you're headlining. You're you're being like top, man. I mean, it's a little while, you know, doing shows and just going around the country, and I had my friend will who would drive around his mom's minivan, and we would go and do shows and and book shows up and down Salem in other parts of Oregon in the northwest, which is go different bars. And just try to convince them the book show that we could bring audience and we've booked one show, and then they realized that we could not and so. So we would continue a move on that way. And I did that for a couple years and started getting better and getting more name for myself. And I would just. You're making deals you're like, Jim Henson. Like the way he likes sold them up into your at a you didn't have an agent that was like this. Here's round funches. And I'm gonna put you on this circuit, you're going to open for so. And so. Business. You don't start with. No, I the book my own show than a lot of my going to bars and convincing them to have you in the first place. So that you could perform there that you were making the deal with them like take part of the door. Yeah. Yeah. Me, and my friend kind of like was business partner. We just do that together. He we go scout locations and just try to make deals in Iran in Iran. My own weekly show, a coffeehouse, and those are the most pressure feel days because a lot of times that would be like I was like, oh, I need to pass his hat around for money. So that I can come home and be my son, and my ex home, food and stuff. I didn't. I wasn't making any money at that time. What do you mean? Like. There are people in the world probably half of my the listeners like the idea of it offensive comedy. Like, it sounds like a pejorative in terms of comedy, actually moronic contradictory. The idea that you could be funny without hurting people without taking anybody down without like attacking without having without without wounding and things, but you're pretty much like your stand up as giggle fit. Comedy central. You also got your. Well, we'll talk about getting better in a second. But but but like you would you characterize your goal when you get on stage or maybe not your goal. But like your MO is like you don't you're not you're not leaving a body count. Right. You're not about like, you're not hurting people. I never understood that as a theme of what comedy needs to be that. There are I mean, sometimes you attack things. But I think he's job as I'm a student comedy low comedy. I love comedy since I was a young child everything every good comedian. I so it was like you you speak truth to power, you take down people bigger than you point out the inconsistencies in the status quo. You don't just attack people to tack people. You don't just go like, okay, like Mexicans your that's building the status quo. That's reinforcing. Like what people are saying. When when your job usually is that as a jester, you don't make fun of. The townspeople you make fun of the king. You know? So I take that job. Do you do some do some punching up in your opinion? I mean, like, it's it is punching, but it's punching up or I mean a little bit and most Parham also very mean, I guess I would say, I'm narcissistic, and in my own ways, and they regard I prefer just talking about me in my life, and what's going on. That's what's exciting to me. I've never been excited about those type of things. I mean, I think my mom would just my mom as like, we've just we're not very passionate people. She's just explaining that to company when they come over your stand, the funches passionate people. I don't care about much. I care about my son. I hear about my family I care about. But like, I it would be very. Just not true full of me to go up there and be this is what I ten about. This is what I'm upset. Ten minutes about about abortion legislation because like so focused on that because many ri- like year there was like six comedy specials. I watch watch comedies specials and stuff like six last year. Oh, he's Caitlyn Jenner jokes. I know it's even hacked to even talk about now, just like. Why did you guys care so much? Why would you give? Who you that's how you spend your day sitting around thinking about Caitlin Jenner. Caitlyn jenner. Jailer not person worth talking about. Shots. Fires. Cycle that happens. My theory about it is from talking to my therapist about just like generally like about how positive negative shit sticks and whatever and how negative shit stick so much easier in the so it's like jokes that we remember. They're they're often attached to satire like like somebody gets taken down a pay or something happens. Something shifts though that person made that joke, and then that was like a bullying, and it sticks in your memory for the same reason that if somebody says like, oh, you're wearing that shirt again sticks. Longer than I like your shirt, which doesn't stick at all. And so I think people are in the nation stages of their comedic ambitions. They're kind of like, how do I be funny, and they and they they sit by that stream of society, and they go well, most important thing is I'll sit here a watch some stuff, and I'll try to think about like what what I might say. That would be funny about it. And they're gonna tend to slide into what would I say that would be taken this thing apart? You know, kind of Joel Michaela the Kardashians or David Spade. Ing the the whatever's like because that's the stuff that kind of spikes on the on the I guess it sticks in your memory. Yeah. But then I about like Steve Martin my memory of him is like he'd come out. And he would just do this like weird one person show. It was it was just humor. It was absurd. And what is think it's easier? It's easier to tear apart and to build, you know. So like when you're trying to actually Bill jokes that don't do that it just takes longer. It's harder. Sometimes people don't don't get them right away. Hard beauty of Steve Martin stuff was that he was clearly intellectual, but he was silly. And so we got to watch an intellect be stupid like four s so crazy to me to watch those old ones and be like, this is a stadium full of. Got here. He would go awhile grazie and the whole place Madison Square Garden would share. It's crazy. You know? It's interesting though, is talking about this family tree of comedy, or whatever you call it like the he was never personal. He wouldn't go. Yeah. So here's what's going on with me. Neither was he political George Carlin, very political. Not a lot of personal to George Carlin. Right. Like, George Carlin wouldn't like pause. Take a glass of water breakdown ago. So anyways, I'm married man cetera. Bill Cosby, drew, all these stories from from marriage and children. But like how transparent was your very personal. You talk about raising autistic kid, you talk about like the your life. Like, I have no question about this. I just wanted to go into that area. Like like when you're if you're sitting and you're going, I think I'll share this thing about raising being a single dad raising a kid like. Are there ground rules? Do you think to yourself like is my kid going to be thirty? And and listen to this on a hologram disc one day and get the wrong idea. What are the thoughts that go through your head and jobs a filtration? I probably should think about and. You should. But. I just like to talk about what I love. And I just try to talk about wit love. You know? I think that's been my mangoes. Make sure people. Talking about my son in particular. I just wanna make sure people knew that I wasn't making fun of him. And I wasn't trying to be like, oh, my son has his disability. And this is what's funny about it. It's more like this is just a part of my life. This is my son. He does some funny things are these are some just others misunderstandings that have happened. This is just a part of my life. So I always try do that same thing with my mom. Same thing. Anyone that I talk about just trying to make sure I don't, you know, you know, Louis C K. Very. Making everything fucking kids. Yeah. I a. I mean, I have stuff to say about that. I like Louis style is. So like he would pay the stage like a caged animal, and he would talk like Charlie Brown, and it had this viscera to it. And he like, but it was like is it is it bad to do that. If if if it's not actually transparent if it's like a periscope. That's bouncing off to mirrors is like, yeah. Does any of that matter of value? And where it's like, well, they're they laughed so, but I'm like. What if they're laughing like because they think that you're real what they think that Tim Allen really does go home and go. Yeah. And like like, I don't know. I don't know what crimes are being committed win or what what comedy's supposed to be. I never want to be too far from your family who you are. There's a thing you know, what any performance and performers. I'm a everybody who know me know, I love wrestling. And if any really good wrestlers always like turned up version of themselves, and I feel like that's what I try to be as performer is that like, you know, you usually catching me at my happy is at my most jovial where I'm trying to have fun that me twenty four seven not at all. But that's what I'm trying to put forth at that time. You know? And I try to make sure that I I think when you're you as a human get too far away from your act. That's when things start to crumble. Fall apart from you in all in life in all regards. And that's why I write personally. And that's why I try to change up my act, and I'm never I always when I started always hate it when I see comedian perform, and it'd be like me, and my girlfriend did it. And then they go, oh, I'm single and he's like Mark got married recently. No, I don't trust anything that you're saying. It is weird. 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It is. It is weird because there was wave of stand up. It was like it was look we're not gestures anymore. We're not we're not wearing makeup, and it was even passed than there was the past. The Judy knew to phase. We've like we're my love to. I'm not bagging on that. Phase. I like Bob gold tweets. But you know, it was there was that phase of stand up or it was like another form of purity where it was like fuck it. Then we're all characters, you know, evil. Phillips, amazing joke writer like is he doing a character is not you meet them in person. You're like kind of the same guy at cetera like that like pedal to the metal character comedy where you're just performing in a more more of the Steve Martin tradition or or even like the Steve Allen or the like who the guy with the fiddle got the Henny young men. I'm gonna tell a joke anyways. But the coming out of that character phase going into the alternative like hands back. Back in the pockets look at look at the floor and be real phase. And then it was like the exploitation of that was I found I always found very odd. When I was younger when people would say, they would purposely exploit the audience's adaptation to the stand up for him by saying I recently got engaged knowing that everyone would actually apply not because they believe in construct. But because the actually believe you because why would you stand on a stage in a sport jacket and tell people you got engaged unless you recently did. And then for your and then to say to a goat and have everybody goes, oh, I guess I'm a piece of shit like seems just beating your dead horse. It's like why I always found that. Yeah. Very odd. But then again, I was a terrible standup. I could never write a joke. Yeah. My life be like a magician was showing you this trick. And then just fucking with you. Dan. What was your best closer? When you were you stand up. Closer give me one of your client seventeen years old. I was I was I was it was bad tropics very excited about this. Like, let's not even talk about it lately. Yeah. It was give me a closer. I didn't have a fucking closer. I would do a rap about masturbation wraps are the first way you start. It would make the audience applaud. I mean, clap their hands. No. Thank you. I did a rabbi did game show that was stupid. What was your first like shitty? Closer might very. I just talked about man boobs for like ten minutes. And then I was wearing a red thing. 'cause I do in my research read the thing about how people would take pantyhose and cut out the crotch put it over their head. And where it is like a t shirt to come back, man boobs. And so then my thing was like, I would take off my shirt, and I'd be wearing that. Kill. Personal. True. My speaking physique. I you. And I both of we've been we've been bigger than either of us is now is that. Right. Grammar use grammar. Yeah. That was. Yeah. Beautiful. You will clearly a writer. Do you want to? Do you you you've been a lot bigger physically. Do you like I don't know anything about your like if you had a Piff unease or if you like just went on a crash diet, or what have no idea? I I remember a deep pass member. Both. I don't know how why you laws are how you did it either. I just I started eating shitty. Like, carb carb free alcohol sugar, candy bars. And then like doing a crack leg lifts in my in my living room but wreck, but did you did you did you do? What did you do win? And what kind of results did you get? We we don't have to make it a fitness podcast. That's okay. Talk by a little bit. That's why I wasn't sure it was you at that airport. I was like it looks like skinny run funches is getting. Okay. Let me ask you. This is an easier question about that same topic. When you see a photo of yourself from years ago. Okay. Does it does it make you sad or happy? When you see a photo of yourself where you were like where you look way bigger than you are now in your mind's eye. Someone goes, hey, look at this photo from New Year's Eve years ago. Like, it does it does it what emotional impact does that have a little range of motions? I mean, I proud of myself for making changes and for doing it just doing the hard work to do that. And that makes me proud. It makes me sad. Sometimes I ever let myself get to that point. Because sometimes I it's not about the way. But I can look at the pictures, and I can see my my eyes, and I can see like, oh, you don't look healthy all you know, and just look back, and I go that. Was a bad time period in general, psychologically, you're smiling. And you're supposedly happy, but you're. Yeah. And go like, oh, you're upset about your divorce. You worried about your son. You you're not eating healthy at all. You know, you worked out once a year, you know. And so it's just like looking at that person. And then being like, oh, I feel like you're comparing low puppy love you. But now, I just made me focus just keep at it and be healthy. And Mike goal is. I wanna be my healthiest thirty five. So Mark you. Thank you. Level is quick. The greatest compliment. We can give your generation think you're doing get off my lawn. That's what I am. Love. It goal is to as won't be my healthy. Is it when I turned forty and I wanna see and then I'm on coast. Do you didn't occur to me to ask? We're talking about hurtful nece, and like, oh, take it out other people hurting other people stuff, but what about self abuse? Like like, what what's your what do you struggle with any kind of like, do you have the capacity and you like yourself say bad stuff? Or learn that's been what they I really learned to just shy away from it. I don't really enjoy it around me like people who around me generally know that like I don't like if you put yourself down around me. I will be like, hey you. We don't don't do that. You can do that on your own time. We don't do that here. Other people. Yeah. Because I just like I don't like I don't enjoy it. I don't I used to do it Alaba and never served anything is it because so if I put myself down around, you are you is it just your empathy and going, hey, don't put yourself down. Or are you actually thinking, you know, like, Sarah Silverman told me at one point? She's like, you know, self loathing and self love or whatever the opposite. Supposedly is. It's the same bullshit. Your head up your ass like. Is she was working with young me and was like calling me out right away. It was like, yeah. The fuck is the difference between you hating yourself and loving yourself. Oh, look at me. Like who are you to judge? You don't get the fuck in judge and to me too. What about the people around me? People I've dated or thing around me. I'm always been like, look, I like you. I like being around you. So if you're. Are you telling me, I'm wrong, right? Like, are you telling me, I am a bad judge of character? Because one thing I've learned from my mom, my mom being abusive relationship. And she like that is if someone tells you who they are fucking believable. So if you tell me your piece of shit, I will believe you. So you either do or don't right? Yeah. You may as well. Just because like if you don't wanna get into a Tango with them where your job becomes to talk them out a way, it's not gonna help. Yeah. Way it's not gonna help them. A waste of my energy life is rough. No matter why do we have to I in our brains are so fucking powerful. You know, like, I can't fight. You can do things that change a reality. But I can't fight your perspective for you can't fight your brain Spencer. It was like a really big fan of yours bummer. He's not here. I know. I love spins. He he said something like many years ago, which is like really like his he we plucked him out of his parents basement and took him on tour in the rallied about myself. There's nothing about any of it. But but I remember like in the context of that documentary like like actually having a valuable take away from it, which I never got. Which is you know, everybody is so focused on themselves. They have such shit to work out. So many things to worry about what themselves. They're not. You may feel like they're thinking about you. But they're non so caught up in you. There's something there. That's more. Like, it's like you. Can you can understand that? But realizing that I e making it real takes therapy. It tastes a bit are like just go take a piss on the street. Who would you like you could just do it stops? You know one. Go go, go broke, and like and ask for a quarter and see how many people are caught up in your family member die. But. Be family member that dies. Yeah. See how quickly people. Their lot. What your scrambled eggs dirtying anyone's pan slip right up. It's almost worse. News than you thought. But are you are you are you in therapy? Yeah. Chat out, the Donna. How do you know like to my therapist at the end of my last couple of sessions now this is not a humble brag? Because I obviously need more therapy than anybody. But I may therapist last couple of sessions is she's done this thing where she goes so schedule. What do you wanna do you want schedule next week next month? I'm wondering is it like a chiropractor? Eventually they go like look here. You know, what you're supposed to be doing? My job isn't to do it for you fifty minutes of week. So why fucking come in here? Yeah. Do you go to your therapist once a week or do you? Did you tape her off off a little bit as once a week for a for a little bit? And then now it's been like once every few weeks just to check in every now, and again, or if I feel like I need more. Of course, I'll be like, hey, let's Gadul. So I think it's just I think it all depends about what you need. You know, my my personal journey like at this point from talking to her. I'm like I said to her. Well, look, I think it would be a mistake for me to like go only come to therapy when my life is so dramatic. I have something to talk to you about because it seems like my biggest challenge right now is I need to be come a native of. Boredom. I need to need to stop. I have the compulsion. I feel like like happiness has come to me, and I have a neurological agenda. I wanna I wanna make things dramatic. So that I know what to do like I have a role to play if somebody told me on behind schedule. So I can fuck and tell them that doesn't matter. And it's like, no like once you get I think that's part of the even the therapy. Right. Like, even the transition is a lot of it going like, you go let go realities and pass and things that don't serve you anymore. And if that's not true, then then why do that if you've worked so hard or fallen luckily into or whatever the situation is no. I do trust older white people. Here. You know, how hard I clawed my way. Thirty five year old piece of shit. We always. But you don't know what I. Sure. I mean, that's what the times have been these. It's like it doesn't really matter like privilege, not privilege. The one thing that we all have in common is that someone implying that your privilege is deeply offensive to you can like you could be born on a pile of of beautiful like cloud, and like it would still the most human part of you is the part of you. That would be like what are you talking about? If somebody said to you. Hey, you you've had a good like the part of you. That was like what fuck you know, that would be the one part of you. That's connected to everybody else. Which is deeply unfortunate. I I'm still trying to get accustomed to that. It's like like underdog story that I've crafted from my self, you know, like everybody's an underdog in comedy. We were just talking about that a minute ago. Thanks, dad. I've been trying to transition from that. You you work so hard specially if you're you don't live in LA you like I get here. Get your get here. And then like, I have my story. And it's like, well every fucking person that made it to where you are has the story. So your story the matter, and it's almost like thank God for some of the most horrible people in the world. Thank God for in cells. Thank God for actually like taking that off of the plate take out of the buffet. Because you can't be outraged about it's it's like, oh that has a voice that has a face. And it's not funny. It's not Harare. It's not noble. The idea that oh, you your ability is hilarious or dramatic or story at all. Maybe you're on. Fuck ability is just that you need to work on. Yeah. I is about something. Get craft get a passion as we look back through our committee archive. What we see are things that would one day become manifestos of terrorists who played out as like hilarious, ten minutes. Stand up. Saids in front of a brick wall. Well, that's dramatic. Say is comedy does not age. Well, the the extent to which it does not age well increases by six years per month. Ron you've been doing Senate for a long time. Do you look back at like jokes that you did a long time ago and shit didn't age? Well, like is there anything you agree, or have you always kept pretty like like you didn't cross any any any our form? Right. If you don't look back at Ango I've fucking him better now. And I wish I had done better. Now, you're nine growing. So that's just part of. I think I mean, but I don't go back and go like oh used to be Nazi. Might not have been as good at communicating. I thought you were really funny back and your Nazi-era. Politics aside. It was actually just create craftsmanship. Thank you. Thank you. Philip glass. You know, if you listen to if you if you decode his numeric symphonies these days it actually ciphers into a horrible condemnation of his earliest works. He's like what was I thinking? This is not. Beastie bull joke was to Philip glass of jokes. I just wanted to pick an artist that'd be funny. Philip glass story. I didn't know what I was doing. Like, he was like, I've started that was really bad. Oh, yeah. Doing. All right. So you got your we got your comedy central special, which we we were gonna plug and now, we're we're plugging we're plugging go back and watch it. Oh, yeah. A website. I wanna talk about the follow you on Instagram. So I see these clips of you doing this getting better things getting better. I love that. That's the only way I'm familiar with it. What is that? It's my podcast. I just talked to people that I like sometimes it's my mom. I've never been on it. Don't make it like that. From the go. Just setting you one of your he talks to people that he liked. Yeah. I know. Thank you. I just thought the people and ask them about their process about getting better to cool people. He talks to people that are awesome. Yeah. Talk. From the clips, I see the themes do seem to surround actually getting better not just Chit chat. Like, you actually are specifically talking to people about self-improvement how they were worse than they are now and where they got to and how they and how they got there. And where they wanna go to continue struggles from chief and your dreams, and then having new dreams or health things, or whatever I talked to a lot of different people about different things. But can you give me any tips as an interviewer? I don't know if that wiggle dancers. Good him. I'd make a pretty good guest. I think. Yeah. Please. Come. It's too late. I invited myself. I'll never come on. You can't ask to be getting better. Exactly. That's why. I don't want to ever be on it. I'm getting worse. Well, then definitely don't come. Magneto? No. I will be out in the street crushing Nazi heads. Because of a weird projection. I have thank you. Savior, fill my collection. Only pootie we've had bet Nicole Brown. You come help fill fill in that world. Yeah. Are you about the production itself because it's on video? How how does the are you producing it with anybody is all me not making any money. Camera and tripod, they'll yeah. In my office, pulling YouTube I wounds, and it looks sounds perfect. Thank you. My producers, really good. He does good job. That's why he's the only one that makes. Dan. Okay. You're not going to be on the show. I already said I don't wanna be. That's why these compliments. Uh-huh. Never have you won't talk to successful weirdo about his weird never ever. The second. Rob rob about something. Yes. Sitting over here. Languishing you've been very quiet. It's kind of like I want to try to be better. Is it because you go in the read it, and you read don't go on the rent? I don't have to read. It comes to me. How what form? No, I don't know. It's just I what I was still people don't go on the red. There's an interesting topic. Like, do you do you peruse to self Google? Do you usually so Google sometimes you find things randomly on accident? Somebody review my special. I didn't like it because they don't care. I mean, let people do what they want. But I didn't like the fact that they they were like, I think this guy is phony. And I think this guy is who he says he is and then they call my and then they go even though I never met him. And then they call my son weird. And then I was like fuck you. I'm on a get your phase online. They got they got to say, they got you or triggered me. And then they were just happy because this is the first time anyone fucking read their articles. So I was like, oh, I fucking hurts. They semi legit know some guy I will say for for it was pays magazine, which is not. Who cares? Who exactly is? I we care now. But the interviews with them before the main comedy guy had always been cool with. So it kind of this will reason trigger me that guy went on vacation. They had an assistant comedy review who was some open mic or and he just booking. Oh, good answers. Every. But you also said that he felt the only generations only good comic was Lisa Lampe Nelly. It's just a weird thing to say. Lamp weird thing to say whether you love leaser not. Yeah. Because it's a weird thing. Get to route. Why do you get to review comedy? How is that? How is the art of the critic like support the idea of like, well, here's an empirical statement to make well, then you're not a very good critic, are you? You're more of a weird. Scientists was like practicing medicine that doesn't exist whole summary. He when he tweeted it out. I reviewed run funches comedy special, which was okay. I was like that is not a review. Either like on not like. Just say, it's okay. It's just your fucking milk toast piece of shifts. So let me ask you a question. Yes. Sometimes I love do you. So do you do you do you pull back from that? As a matter of my girlfriends, very good at that. She tried to make me realize how blessed I am how how have it into just she's like these people are just trying to knock you off. Your course and leave it alone. This is something feel wrong about that like as a person who wants to hold the microphone and connect with people that you then by virtue of your chosen path that you in order to do it. Well that you're not allowed to do. What? Ask people do which is go on Reddit. Yeah. Let's see. And I don't like, oh, I don't like always like, I mean, I still occasionally we'll do it because I just like to remind people human beings. I'm a person just like you. You can't just tell me. You can't just say anything to me. Are you can this? You're right, but I will respond to you. But then the whole thing then it becomes stupid because you respond, and then there's some fucking blog. There's like. Like you've round punches funches tirane. Oh, man. Hey, Sonny I'm older than you. I've like any any that is the fucking war. I what are your like like read it was because your inbox. And then you would just go like, hey, you just respond to human being over here or whatever. And then it was like oh shit. This did make a really handy like cook click and drag over to look over here to what Dan Harmon said to a fan. Well, not I didn't mean. Oh fuck. Yeah. One thing out. And then everything else is what I don't know what I'm still dealing with the shit. Like, I don't know what you deleted your ship. I deleted my Twitter. I deleted my Twitter the morning. Why Dan I lied to my Twitter the morning that James Gunn got fired because the headline was James Gunn gets fired for nine for tweets from nine years ago. And I was like, Nope. Not why I signed up for Twitter why I fucking worked for nine years. And I spent I world my limo to San Diego to Comecon that weekend. Archiving all my tweets. And then deleting my followed, and I was so happy I spent the entire com. Con-going people go how you doing? I'm fucking good. I just don't lead by Twitter. They're like what? And I'm like. Yeah. Fucking James Gunn thing. Just like made me go. This is not I don't wanna fuck and deal with this all the shit, and then I came back home and like got on Instagram, and there was an Instagram comment from somebody saying, hey, just letting you know, sure don't kill the messenger. But. Everyone's saying that you deleted your Twitter account because you're a pedophile, and you did this thing and all this stuff. And and then I like found out about this like it was like these. Four chain people like deleted my Twitter account. Yes. Because James Gunn got fired. So therefore, go ahead and Lincoln to yet. I did I it was it was like they were like why Dan Harmon deleted his Twitter account. And then someone goes why did he do that? What does he have to hide L O L? And then someone responded with maybe this. And then they started pushing it out that might account was deleted. So I was like oh fuck. Okay. What do I do phone ringing off the hook publicist like lawyers? Everybody are you better gonna deal with this? And I was I was in the back alley this show. There's a show. I I wish I could Mark the episode because I came out here because the decision was it for the first time in my life. And that's why it's all this. It makes me so sad. Because my my entire Emma was always be as honest as possible, always be honest, and for the first time in my life the way to fight dishonesty was to say nothing, and it just hurts so bad, and I came out here. But it was the right decision after forty eight hours of like, you wouldn't believe the fucking calls like, hey, Dan. It's it's me my job. God I got crisis interventionist Stafford up now, he's the people that are like, hey, listen thing. But no for sure you're a pedophile. What are you talking? Note if this is real quick, let me tell pitches of you not touching. Meanwhile, the forty eight hour clock goes by. So the New York Times the thing that made me lose hope and all of humanity was the day that the New York Times who had contacted by publicist for comment about it. They're like, hey, what's going on with this thing? And my publicist said he's not commenting right now because I'm sitting in my kitchen like speakerphone going like, okay. So what do I do not get fired by Cartoon Network, AT and T all this stuff? Like, what are we doing? How do we coordinate? How do I get Cartoon Network to say we support him? So that they don't pull a Disney. So that we don't continue this fucking slide. And and we're brokering apologies. And I finished brokering one in back appropriately by the fucking dumpster behind this theater. And then came out on the stage and did a show where I said, nothing and basically. He said nothing until now, but but it was like in the forty eight hours where his Twitter account is deleted. And so then it's like the story is like Dan Harmon deletes Twitter account after video surfaces of him in a baby doll nine years ago. I remember this. And it was like, no that's not true Dan, Harmon deletes his Twitter account, therefore video services, but how complicated is that story. Well, the New York Times like that was the point where it's like the New York Times like like just kind of ran with that story like inheriting the Hitler Dan, Harmon deletes Twitter account after video surfaces because they they got that from Breitbart from like all of these people it was like. Hawes Afek timely. I'm like, no D And Harvard delete Twitter account because James Gunn got fired for tweeting about a fucking kids. Danna Harman knows that he's not going to stand up to that test. Dan Harmon wants nothing to do with Twitter anymore. And once Dan Harmon leaves it's time to hit that pinata on the way out the door. So Dan Harmon regrets leaving Twitter the first place because he didn't know that you could shudder your window to fucking Kristallnacht and have people just kick in your door. Like, I like the and there's no way to like come out and scream that without making things worse making things more click -able the only way to win that fight which fight. I never wanted to have is to be silent which never done wait for the next thing in the come along. Like like, it was like, oh, this is how you living. Well, as best revenge just just grin and bear. It don't feel the fire. Don't kick up dust around it your contract. It's not signed yet all the stuff. It was like like like like this isn't what I am. I then then what age of we entered where where honesty is no longer the best policy where the people whose names on their accounts and social media are the same as their birth certificate. The people who say what went on with them yesterday for real are like their word is weighed less than hordes of people with fake accounts that just want to like if another dust gets kicked up around you on the internet. You can get fired. I really I remain to this day every night. I sit in bed. Playing cookie collector Minecraft just thinking about it. I have no idea where to file it. I don't know how to feel people get shot. So who cares? I mean. Yeah. So I mean, good point. So we've heard an era where I have to go from being happy about being honest to being thankful. I'm not shot yet. Yeah. That's why we. That we are the feels real real bad. It does. Hey, jeff. How's the show going our show? Yeah. Funny. I think it's kind of dragging a bit. Yeah. That's tracks. Whoever thought it was a good idea to bring Kevin Spacey on Harman town. Yeah. I don't know why he had to route with me either. Look there's a lot of things in life that aren't rights Kevin Spacey. Carpet and showers eating dip with your fingers. I disagree with that. One chunkys down milk paying too much for your phone Bill now. That's not right. Thanks to mitt mobile. You don't have to overpay for wireless anymore. Yeah. They reimagined the wireless shopping experience and made it easy and online only which means they can pass -nificant savings directly to you. And for a limited time, they're gonna offer two months free. When you buy your first month, that's twenty dollars total for three months of wireless. Just think about how much would you save like a lot of money? 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And I know how it made me feel and how did you get like, what are you referring to just people just talking trash, and you are just particularly when people are like, you know, who you say, you are I don't know how to prove this or make you think who I am who I am. So it's just small things. But my thing my favorite part about this story is that that you. There was a moment that you must have had where where this James thing came out. And then you went oh shit video of me fucking a baby. Actually that was the last thing. No, I didn't think about that. At all. I I was surprised. I was like oh that video like. I did a good job mixing that sound. If we go through channel one stuff we committed loads of crimes now. I totally forgot about that. I deleted that video I shot that video in the community office says it was two thousand nine I was like is a month after it was on channel. What a what I was like that needs to come down. If I'm going to be in the business the Tita phase in like, I am not I'm a political figure now visible. I need to not doing this anymore. I'm not Johnny rotten anymore. I took it down someone, but someone had someone had some admirable fucking like captain crunch kept it in their Davy Jones locker for all that time next to their crunch berries. I was what I was thinking was more much more. Appropriately was nine years of tweets. I was I wasn't thinking about videos. I was thinking about nine years of actively reacting to society in the moment. No way I'm going to hold up to that test now. Yeah, none of us. Really? I mean, maybe me. Maybe you. Yeah. I thought briefly about like the idea of going through and like going this one. No that one. No that one. And then it was like, no, no, no. That would take three years to go through nine years of tweets and go, oh this modo. And it was like no the only right thing to do here is like obs-, gone one. That kind of like grade is tricks. That's been played the last few years is the shift of responsibility. Like, it was our job not necessarily be reckless in again to not be harmful and calls calls pain, but our jobs to test boundaries and have fun and to just say, whatever reckless thing that we're say, and we're supposed to be checked in by the real people who are in charge. And now, the people who are in charge, just say, whatever the fuck and they lie, and they do whatever. And no one really checks that. And it's just like, no, we're screwing nice, you know, but by a day. Day kind of lets me know all kind of pointless because like if if it really had a power like then there'd be so many powerful people who have been already like truly people who would have been taken down by you know, like oh give it some time. Okay. I'll be patient. I mean, it is pretty easy to get somebody fired right now, we haven't changed that part of our culture is on their value. I believe like if people just like any sports team. Should be like they should not be able to get fired because a bunch of people in Twitter said higher on that. Well, I mean, I deal. Yeah. I'm saying like what your mailman shouldn't get fired because he tweets something that goes viral. I just in an ideal universe. Shouldn't be the case what you can go with that. Because then by that's stands some if a cop that's like a racist. Cobb knowns tweet out racist things shouldn't should they be held accountable for that. I mean, that's. That's dumb. No. I mean, a cop is like, yeah. It's like it's like bring it back to mailman. So I can control this. No, that's I mean, we talked about the weather, man. I made the joke. The weather that stumbled over Martin Luther King's name, did you did you cognizant of that? And I was like, oh, you know about that. He he was there was actually two separate guys. Like he was talking. He said tried to say Martin Luther King's name because he was saying like, by the way, there's a celebration of those park or whatever he said he said Coon instead of king. And while he was saying the name, and it went viral and the weather man lost his job. And I I'm like is that how we find out people are racists. And then I made the joke of like, isn't that the one job where you could safely be racist as the weatherman, what are you going to charge? Are you going to not tell Mexican people? It's raining. See I still I still do stand up if the white weather. Eight degrees. But you've obviously. Yeah, there's great. It's like we we want. We want our cops to not be racist. Obviously that's a truism. Therefore, if a cop in his private life is on social media and reflects racism on his Facebook page with some post or even a re tweet than it's. Yeah. It's right slippery slope. We're dealing with new problems phone. It's fun. I hope it stays fun. I I don't wanna live in a world where where the people that are in control of who. Prophets whose plugged into the hive mind and who's excommunicated where I I worry about buying a ticket to this ride where it's we've already seen. I feel like. Nefarious among us. Let's call them right wing people people who are nihilistic a little bit about politics geology, and the way that we interact with media that they can actually hack as it were the leftist mindset by for instance, saying, hey, what if I were to tell you that this person by your definitions is technically this or that wouldn't you want them to then by your own rules suffer or divide or compartmentalize? And they're enjoying that right now. And it's really distressing to watch them. Trolling. Yeah. So I I guess I can predict what you're going to say is. Yeah. That's fun. No. That's not fun. Okay. I predicted Ron. Yeah. No fun. I mean, there's less than still be learn like. In overcoming that in? I think overall like it gets so complicated. When you break it down until like like all that type of right wing and social media. But at the end of the day, it's all about separatism. It's all about trying to separate people from from. They just stay these little boxes. So a small amount of people can screw the rest of us over. So if you just like, whether I'm going like, oh, I don't trust you because you're all white man or you don't trust me because I'm black are women doesn't feel safe around around anyone then that's just keeping us all separate. And that's all allow us to be taken advantage of. It's it's it's through unity through through quality and through diversity that we that we are able to fight those things. And then you you can be like, well, I wouldn't believe those things about that person. You know, maybe the best way to prove ourselves. If there was if you could call it a battle between those two sides. The best way to to prove to prepare for that battle is for the individual to. Have a funky in kind of like, I'm not I'm probably not going to judge this person like so much like like like if we if we don't get caught up in the timber chop down this tree. I heard that this thing is happening so off with their head. Oh, yeah. No. I hate that. I never been in the business of throwing people away or calling people monsters. I think that's one of the that's another tool to separate people. We're all capable of horrible choices in horrible decisions. And you have to have. I'm not saying that you you excuse someone's actions excuse what they've done but to act as if you're better are yours, right? After that ticket isn't that kind of like not to over. Doing a writer habit here. I'm trying to connect it to the beginning that guy in that park. When you're having your fanny who's being abusive to is charges is going like fucking people like that guy felt licensed to be abusive to. His mental health flock because he felt like, oh, I'm I've got the high ground here. Yeah. And we're going to continue to be tempted in that direction. Like, we're always going to be told as primates by Twitter by Newsweek by bringing thing in our pocket. We're going to constantly being told. Hey, there's somebody that's worse than you that you could punch down on right now. If you take the opportunity. Out there. Trying to take what you have are trying to stop you from getting your goals and at the end of the day. You meet so many people that we like we all have the same goals, we all just kind of want the same shit. No matter what we all. Just want to be happier and make a little bit more money and have more time with our fucking family and do vacations and shit and work less pool. Yeah. One more bedroom. I love one more bedroom. Get DJ equipment that I won't you. There should be a political party or the chant is one more bedroom. If you have a one bedroom apartment, don't you want one bedroom? Yes. You do if you have a six bedroom mansion don't wouldn't you like that? But seven bedrooms. Yeah, I'm sure you would. Yeah. A little bit more. What time is it? What what what what makes me a good host? It's nine thirty eight shrub. Yes. Blew me off that was a blow off off. I'm doing what you asked. Shrout Scud twenty-five years aniversary. Very much. One of my pet peeves is when somebody's Instagram feed is a thousand things over and over. But I've been really enjoying all of the fan art that the people have done for your. It's pretty amazing. It's fucking great. And someone the catch him mustard when somebody Garfield that's Joey Joey Garfield from their first run comic book with Dan like back in nineteen ninety four. And it was the reason why we moved out here, and it just turned twenty five less. Tuesday. It's the only coming feeling that I've ever actually read. I I'm gonna come guy. But I I love skied. Give me the I'm the buses and keyhole thing. It's beautifully drawn. It's it's it's it's really wonderful. It's very you. It's it's what was it called Scud the disposable assassin. Oh, and then they made a video game. They did. Not good game. No, it was a Saturday. Guide. You gotta play. Not much. A USA in virtual games. There was there was the game you played in. There was a PC version both were terrible. But it's cool. Game made. Ascites grower side scrolling game like when doom and Duke nukem was hitting the scene. Yeah. Bad timing. But no, it's cool. Watch all the like all the fans do their version of the work. It's it's because it's really like kind of choke me up. It's very much. Yeah. Yeah. Say, you know, not to play the bad guy. But Scott, Scott, the disposable assassin is like it takes place in a future where you can buy a robot assassin out of a vending machine, and you can assign at a target and then once it finishes killing the target itself. Just trucks kind of a rip off of Mr. mec-. Oh shit. You fucking still God, it wasn't my idea whose wasn't mine. Just a Justin just wait. Wait was it was just an. Conscious or unconscious. Nobody nobody recognized. I think later on it was like. Tell like like. Fan making actress. The opening up a book. Sky kills us target and washing his hands in the bathroom and sees reflection in the mirror and reads, the warning on the back of says will this unit was stuck upon termination of so he goes out and has to kill everybody. As a as a like, a hitman for hire to keep his first target alive on life support system. The pay the hospital Bill, so Jeff character. Jeff is the demon monster, they nephew brother, not me. No. Yeah. So he all the episodes him going out and being a gun for hire to keep the life support going on the first prison. So he doesn't die. Right. Any falls in love with Souto? Who looks exactly like Kate your wife Ilya? Ron funches? I don't offer this to every podcast guest. Okay. How would you like a free comic book? I like. Of a shitty video game. And he's there persona of rack and Mati. Is there a kind of podcast that you would have rather been on? Like, whether it's a fishing podcast early. Is there like a fantasy podcast you like, you know, like, I do my Ron funches thing, and it would have been nice if I could ever be a guest on X kind of podcast like like let us fulfil your fantasy. Okay. I guess I was you. Would you got something? Waiting on you? Okay. Ah podcast. It doesn't put you on the spot. That didn't know about will you think of the answer? I'll do a one man show about I heard a plumbing. You say music to this or now. There's an intro if you want. One man show about plumbing. And show about. Just think about your thing. To check the pipes the plumbing. Okay. Just just. Do. Look at all these plungers. For people who want to subscribe to the podcast right now visually. There's a lot happening. Five dollars a month. Oh, mama me. Coming out of there. Oh, is this you trying to run into wanting to be on this or not wanting to be on giving time to think about the kind of pass. He'd wanna be okay now. But you can't be that captivating. He's going to be distracted. Well, inevitably the answer is going to be. I don't want to Q you. But you're going to be like actually, Dan this was the pie because of the work. I do but I don't wanna I don't wanna. You're going to be like actually, you just did the podcast that I wish I was on. But don't feel free to not do that. Whoa. Hey, there's a treasure mapping, Hugh. Go down inside to find a treasure. Oh, that's bad. Excuse me. What not a map? Hey, this ain't no map. Instruction. Better. Go down. Do do do do you do. Hey. This place is real dark and spooky. Oh, a severed woman's head. What the fuck? Who would dispose of a woman's ahead by putting it on a lead? I better keep looking down this. Sue my God. Wow. Appendages? Wonder if they belong to the woman who's head that was. That better think about calling the police, but I got a warrant now on me. You don't become a plumber without having a dark past. My fingerprints foot boots are all over this. Foot boots foot boats? I bet a call my friends. Hey, it's me I was going on. Got a bit of a problem. Okay. Yeah. This one. One of the job and found a no slash map. Okay. Okay. Good down the toilet. When into some kind of underground area. Okay. Yeah. Found the dismembered. Parts of a crime victim whose. No more. Where are you got a piece of paper? I'm in the tunnels underneath one two three north Wabash. All right. All right. I want you to do me a favor. Destroyed that map slash instruction page. Hey, then I want you to open the head. There's a coin in their way way. Whoa. Oh, open the head. There's a coin Louis. More about this than I thought you'd know. There's a coin you've got a hunch should sounds like you've got a chain of evidence. Louis. Sweet we go back. I'll wait open up the head. 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Catlick

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"My name is bt parliament in nineteen eighty five a group of men in downtown Atlanta made it unusual discovery in the basement of an abandoned building that discovery would change my life. Of course I didn't know that then because I was a three-year-old rolling lucky charms and watching my favorite TV show fragile rock. I live with my family in a small Texas town. Eight hundred miles away by name was different then Ventoux today. I live in Atlanta a city. Best known for its civil rights. History history is often bloody naked and depressing oppressing and as it turns out bloody naked in depressing doesn't make it into high school history books but this isn't a story about the civil rights struggle of the one thousand nine hundred sixty S. This story is about the world that existed before that it's a world of ink and blood. It's a world world of cursed land and lying journalists it's a world of spy machines and secret vaults. It's a world of fine ladies in gowns and mysterious madames madames of the night. It's a world of deranged doctors. Crime solving astrologers in midnight stalkers. It's a world of justice sought But rarely found this is the story the adults tried to hide from US my name is bt Harmon and this cat lick

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"Starving and I don't know what would you say Spencer you're good I say to plus four plus I would say fifteen you heard that the song hiccuped a little bit you gotTa Support Me if you want you've you ought to comport me off to a bad start Ah Spencer mother fucking accredited why would you why would you go to something that was never ending are you going to miss it when it's gone I'm sure yeah I'll miss it but you'll be happy when a job I want to be here either thank you for coming I'm just kidding I do want to thank you for how many shows left are though you bring your body all around every body that wasn't my assignment like a little quiet and I also know a Jeff Big Fan of my instagram workout I am I told you all day today scrimmages I mean I just I myself I moved away from las fields so I'm not at the drawing room as much walked over there to meet didn't walk over there yeah is m. l. e. eight oh five here whoa in the one and only Dan her Koreans from San Diego Yeah I got I got a little better and we got who else I got patched into a burning man yeah that's like the sklar brothers have a joke that when you're when something is bad your voice goes up when you're talking about you're like Oh and by any break your body down the new downtown US Angela Macarthur Clark again the caper some breathless melting in the dark Karma town is now in session other all right we got we got gendron Cincinnati also at the bar with us not a mini coopers at a lot of people coming out there's sending you think are crowds are big now because this is the dying embers this is the last let me be quite quite honest about this too I thought I thought that was a scholar citing but it was in my really peripheral that good oh yeah it was great actually good you're like that was great Yeah I was walking down the road in Washington DC old wear glasses glasses and I think randy is the one that is more likely to wear plaid I think that's right I think and I hear Jeff Davis and there's Randy's calar okay don't twin high rotas there was a scholar but no but here's the thing I had just five minutes before that was walking out of the elevator and I glasses are you trying to be the smart twin is it okay if I were I would I would loop that in the bud right like I I wouldn't mind any other gimmick but my twins started wearing glasses I'd be like I'm allowed to wear glasses to don't do that like I'm not going to be the fucking Simon of these chipmunks group I've never been burning them but if I go I have a patch that I can iron on to the back of my jacket I should probably stick it on they're not related they just both had guys only one of them more glasses but now it's fucking who knows that was my trick but now the like how's your wife how are your kids that are are they identical to each other or me anyways enough about that absolutely clear so you didn't know you I saw I taught I saw sklar at the elevator story is he went Jeff and you had sklar it was like randy you left that out because you can I be canary totally honest with no can I be no can you let me be look at these fucking crowds were getting I mean there was like a good year or two no one show along asses in seats well a lot of people are making region and that just passed and then I was on the road and someone yelled my name out and it was a real deal skylar right and thank you yeah it would work I would think them unidentifiable I'm not GonNa innumerate what I think are the differences between them but I think I can I can totally nail exotic that's all that's all you had to okay but now I think after hanging out with them individually that night I think you bring any Ariza no one does but you would you would if someone had a scar a different side of their face you'd be like Oh that's randy for shirt right aren't gonNA be the fucking Alvin fucked it up what if wanting to start wearing a monocle but then we're going to be here forever you're GonNa get sick of them they're gonNa Ring Your Doorbell me I'm salinger you're gonNA hunt me down because quite happy that it's just doesn't seem that difficult to retain being naive about I dan the details don't matter I went into the drawing rooms to catch an uber with Jeff to the show and there were several people shout out to my randy's when I know right off the bat but the one of these on the by the elevator was Jason and they had a show a block away from the hotel and they fucking killed it and pay attention me what I'm talking about you're talking about this all right shut up one hundred town is jab takes six weeks classic coke motherfucker always it's not I saw a skylar and I was like I looked a lot like skylar I'm not sure which scholar profile you know you make a couple of TV shows people people show up not as many as when you say you're not GonNa do it anymore it's just ride this wave finished later I've had it up to here with these glasses all right sklar squires whatever go see them anytime you want they're never going to quit he's always thinking I like to imagine that the audience when they're laughing they were laughing at your audacity they're like we're not going to fucking be here fucking check check hey hello do it's not that hard I never stapled a flyer to a telephone pole you can't be Ryan shows that's a lot of show that's terrible that's like what are we figure skaters also we should have ended this show like a year ago Delara here I know I'll fucking tell you which I I still can't tell the difference between the two guys that created HBO's animals they worked in an office with me for years got out the answer is I don't know what is it that separates the guest part of the show from the non guess part I like I like to think it eats up more time this way Eddine destination all gone away are you going to ever wish that you have this platforms microphone this audience again are you are you going fight another scholar is and I think I kind of do now the they'll just stuck in trade monocle yeah and then you're fox well that would be cool like if you had a twin I would I would do into this I eight minutes of the show through their ears and the Greener Mike like could be out there for this was an important that I be sequestered then who is now jason used to be the one with glasses and now they both got glasses because randy was like what are you trying to I'm not the Meat Heads Clark that's not twenty years it just just freestyles some good old fashioned topical humor Jack Benny Johnny Carson Jay Leno what's your telling in Ukraine eh scholar that guy could just be any guy that looks a little bit like a scholar right and then I heard Jeff Davis it was randy and I I don't know why ah what's going on your wow Ukraine madness I'm more familiar with the Ukraine now than I am my hometown Jeff I wanna go do some old school like Carson or like Leno Monologue bits like what's in the news okay well let me I I wasn't totally sure which one it was ruled the five I go I said I thought I saw scholar Walker because you saw Jason Randy let me off the percents like probably not a fan of the show they're just like a person that it would be a delight to talk to you and this is their first time being here they don't have anything about the show and then the ticket back I remember a real joke that Carson did that I never understood okay maybe warming you guys up by the world's worst MC thank God you know auto because if anyone thinks are being naive about that because I know that would be if it was like oh I could just do it again okay so you so you're saying I saw so I fucked up I know you're nailing it so far so next joke okay so into Blue Zora accent in Z Z or whatever those guys were like one had a scar on one side of his face and the other had let's do that then I got to remember which side I want to do it this is a Ma I remember I was obsessed with Carson because I have dim memories of right before letterman like started and it was just like I was obsessed with Carson then I immediately we're fucking I mean I'm sure they aren't but I just it's fun to imagine I hope everybody listening calls that blow she didn't deserve it was a terrible time I there was no shame in that included Everybody Academy Award winning actress it was if you were dressed like a woman people like Oh that's hilarious and it was like problematic so we figured that out later over time it took an internet there was a show mash and there was warming and things but I didn't understand any of the jokes and then later I would understand the joke's go well I understand that like shelley winters it's like tonight on right and Joan embry from the San Diego Zoo and here he is a reportedly there was a robin that a site was eating a worm and spit out Jason Lex of solids I could tell I to winter I can imagine if I were twin and the other one's started wearing glasses I would after a while I take them to dinner and it's cleared up ad it's all it's all cleared up so much so much so much smog in Burbank then it cleared up today which is famous for being fat I can figure this out we didn't have the Internet but there was like an encyclopedia you could look shelley winters save fat they became obsessed with Letterman but it was like I remember watching Carson and I was just a kid it was just obsessed with the idea of of making people happy and like just youtube ahead and then you're like whoa that heads far off the floor please welcome the illustrious the talent yeah well I got a Turkey and Syria in the news today what's going on well hold on hold on I got to be something there him about that and more please welcome someone who I am shocked to see how tall he was because did the intriguing Mr Flu Laborde a character on it he dressed like a lady and it was funny everybody all the time now he'd be brave and you would be an asshole all right so anyways the how's smoggy it's been it's been so smoggy that all birds in Burbank like have never known they've been eating worms which they do all over the World Jeff got a good idea there okay well there's no Internet here and okay so what do you want a musical you did oh see what does it say that means Yeah Charity Spencer boy no one ever chooses that cool is over the band thank you very much I know you're paid to react that way with the ever shows up again I wonder if I always I always almost distracted because I'm like always like when we have a guest who I'm like well this is a gas like in the district the flu you just anywhere you want what's best for camera interesting it shows the middle notorious for eating smog. Sure I'm the joke well it's higher sure you actually keep you hundred percent share let's bring our talking about toll maximum Samut yes yes yes yes yes joe this car toys Yes yes Scarborough Gi Joe Guy Yes it's not yes at World War Two jokes you grew up you grew up in Germany sorry and everything if you ever wanted to do it you would do it in some other format the same format like the cables that you plug in you plug them in again it was just we'll just like can it just be placeholder like ruin a parallel dimension okay so here's what the cadence of like an opening models yeah I wish I hate room and there's a town in Ukraine then it would be funny it was how you grew up in Germany I did grow up in Sherman. 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almost of sleep eight eight hours of sleep eight that's what they say sad sleepy doing you any favors enough it's GonNa Mention Flavor Flav would-be like chuck after the show Billick Chuck you'd think you'd get maybe halfway at this time not always can finish should go to sleep nyquil sleepy town I was trying to challenge you to join us Jack Fanny packs so let's take a photo as story so right close recreational whatever you call it yeah the dice slowly you say when I say that is your life that you are saying like click dot hate Manta quivalent of doing situps someone sitting on your chest would be the sleepiest rapper you're the height man a trauma in Germany y'all fan which can you give us a beat and then Flexible hype man me I don't know yet San Germano don't never tried to twice this time at home Dan Dan Dan deadwalkers that's not that's not a notes that's your five star reviews well thank you I guess learning as the hype man when ship Yes thank you unmistakably like oh completely 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has Iceland you decide walk why not why not why not parking lot why not hallway and the answer must be very specific in our psyche because it's like to be going downstairs Mike some Turkey do you Li- you know when they turn around the very miserable with their life so friendly it's not a real friendly after is for English does it have to be focused on you or could it just be there because you said they're like miserable or is it about their feelings toward you know like there must be some reason doubt naby thing it's like the it's you talking to me look in the mirror he said we wouldn't expect through it take that was born on the hustling around which is disputed region between a moment okay Ding ding walk through slowly say chace foreign leash and and like made a comment about milking came up with something by the scarecrow it's the stakes aren't that high the staircase evokes here on your way would be a little easier in the city and you're like it's not like of the of the yeah likely farmer Brown after you folks houses I think it evokes like modern metro talk to live on the ground floor in France would be like lower status to live a little uh-huh definitely a guest and definitely on the second floor Ohio it also yeah that's what's interesting to me is like what does that why is that important phrase but like it's people that borrowed it from the French but I like I like I like the thing that stays the staircase because that implies that you were uh-huh did you think of something later bits that did you tiffen myths TAP invites a tapa is status or for you guys they care stay stay what you know the step-by-step steps what's called a case of staircase case thank you and something that's and you call bagels back Oh yeah yeah I mean I I would rather yeah I don't want excited thank you for like reading stuff nice view it's like a favor you do people now wait wait wait I lost my train and I would be like I leave I think of a good response but I am already in this case it is to lay assist makes sense but sometimes people say biopic bio pic myopic thank you biopic is stupid thing yeah I guess I guess biopic means they have down and out of the building from a meeting yeah or from or or from a like a like a lover's nasty like you're you're leaving think something important the story like damn it I knew the exact word do you know how stamps hunched hunts dumps like set a friend of yours mismatch some tasty tunes and say words on occasion how does a looping pedal work buddy John it's like it's like you you could go like thought I purposely derailed you biopic oh yeah yeah well it's I just want to get back to your because this is a this dominic what does dumped steam. Yeah Dont you've never heard Thomas Thomas team is like an engine they've only seen the word in print like with chances sing ultimately ass Chesa since then someone I I never punish those people because I'm like you take friendships yep spirit of this fabulous I guess you guys are next that we did yeah ebbed vitzium is the stairs yes choke is responsible do love the idea that both both phrases it's like the thing that stayed with the stairs the stairs it's a new friend friendly that's so someone has likes face at happy but decides steagall not like you summer does it the taxi I'm like a hero talking to nobody right now you've got the comeback but why not why not the list New York City which is outside of West Point Yeah Yeah why was that chosen it sounds like that that sounds like there was like a dictator that just told me here I I can tweet it something I've only called that one so oh the story of of you you're twelve your parents pack up they go we're going to we're going to Avalon we're going to the to the city on a hill Out of my dreams get into my car solid billy ocean reference what you're wearing billy ocean sweater it's no phone calls that's nice how long did you correspond with this pen pal is seven years are you kidding me no jokes thank as being a real high up there listen to him oh you'll just heard of that did you know I've heard this is something that you are trying to get into we're going to pass that Lady Liberty Statue we're going to the new world in Las Vegas what is happening your your parents drag you yeah I think you think who knows so they teach us and have some break so in the summer we would come here sometimes so this was my first exposure to your disease and I got it perfect what bits bits physio very this is your so let's get back to your bio pic for those that don't know you bio pickup biopic bio pic search show okay and so it is like if you want I are having some report or whatever like I say something rude to me starting from what age is seven and then so you continued it till you gave me or his letter writing blue seal's America why why did you why what happened I was started fascinated always as a child with I'm an old German people all this is part of the DNA you'll think I dropping you here I have a pen pal had to pack up international pen Pal International yes expensive st like in English like Joe Blow Blowhard someone who just talks Oh like if you of the air the heart on a book affiliate lent it to me what was the for your first trip to America and context what was the what city did you choose at Cornwall on Hudson in the apprentice you're like Mom Dad I into America and they're like get out of my brain just stop yeah and so then when I was able and legal to come I attended your country did your parent bringing here just because they knew you were into it now everyone was into Shawshank redemption relationship for years and years the entire seven years you'd never met in person yet correct I mean that's just like such a I mean you don't have to be the their privacy is business but like they're in American person that corresponded with you for seven years action has had a huge I don't know so you guys see you guys met face to face you had an orange Julius together and you guys never wrote to each other again after that we that you have to hang tough you too I was hanging much to supplement now wait a minute so you said that the reason why you guys chose letters yes I my parents have them now yes when's the last time you talked to this other many many thousands of days do you fourteen you guys were fourteen and we met Caldas which is an old mall outside a new book and and so you guys were like it's you cornwall on the Hudson is because that was the location of the pen pal yes so do you did you guys meet face to face so that's it was at the Mike being naive I'm like that's such a great thing for a kid develops magic man magic like when you receive a letter from a person that has been Britain by hand a two fourteen year old kids like was it mutual was one of them completely disenchanted did there was there a chain reaction like what happened Oh so close we are connected so there to teach us would connect to two classes and say okay now you're going to speak to someone from the school tree whatever it's your thing and you speak for many intended happens and then yeah I mean how could it oh we cannot stop this that's really sad oh it's Great Yeah Oh look at you you remember that time you wrote that thing I'm holding its pace to was it wisest cinnabon everywhere it does not bad where you are at smells of these juicy bonds just wonder I can't my cynical brain like wants to know soon new kids on the block hanging tough you know that that uh changed me hanging to do I didn't is it do you like sorry I'm making the whole night about about his passing to me what did you agree would you even know how to get in touch with them if you probably could bill but like I am mysteriously in 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you're like Oh shit maybe I should cocaine for real you know we'll if that's the case then can I pause you there because I know like a fourteen year old German boy in whatever year we won't date you but we know you with Gi joes and the German moves slowly maybe that was one thousand nine hundred seventy nine team I do you remember Nick what is it yeah whatever you want to suck on a book on fire your mouth yes sure which is true in which is not but you came here entered a hype man contests and then I just WanNa know what point are you an adult and you go like all right like ten one dollar twenty minutes I've called toby he's like yes up but you didn't call any of those yes of course title Guide Pulses Suction Cup and took two minutes over here as a television yes you guys at very dope MTV and then you had very many I call number one nine one two hundred ten to twenty with Toby Keith it around why why why why why why why wherever wherever wherever I go I Erica's goon and so I would call me but like with a high voice and try to apply to win the USA girl competent all right all right one eight hundred toby Keith I what he did not answer I also call one eight hundred USA girl and if you call one eight hundred us girl you could try to be send you the link man contest in Chicago Illinois and they're like I love the spirit of this contest they're like we want we're looking for somebody who's pure hype man coming over here from Europe like the TV and that culture was actually overwhelmingly a positive thing yes and rule panting and breaking is so fun here to do find the German sense of humor is incredibly funny and I think a lot of it is the word play let because we are as English speakers it's a dramatically the British humor is like you know also wordplay an irony and the German humor in my experiences I thought you were referencing churches Italy strategy of what to Oh no no that's what I thought too soft underbelly trigger it's really punny fun like puns can be kind of 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AMC Sixteen but only paid for one languages pretty largely there's also like Latin at routes and stuff like that but we're very German but my my German friends if they hear a word they have sorry look it was I think we can all agree it was a very tragic war for everybody when it's off on let's be real real dix eight jokes for it like what you've already proven like it's I find the German sense of humor really really delightful while that's very rare to hear and that was a thing like the TV had all these colors on it for these things but whole culture is free and everything is cool but it wasn't free it was a dollar ninety five minute it was horribly tennis hate it now yourselves inside out I find very good I like this as well I feel like it enough election I don't know that it's funny yeah but yeah you're a celebrated person and in like I I'm fascinated by this this fact that they had to be a moment where there was like yes and then I can see why you're yea like you you take the cake and so I wonder what it's like I oughta baby boy do remember this commercial right yeah so you're just nope both facts okay we know now I have a couple of friends that are German and they people Americans that I know the kind of the joke is Germans have a weird sense of humor a guest on the show you're working with Conan you're all over the place you're faces on postage stamps you're you're you're you're successful luminary you're an icon you're I don't it doesn't matter so much not anymore yeah now it's weird yeah nominee last president was born in Kenya in the current one can't read I watched that Cinderella man and Mrs Mr and Mrs Smith who is a war of words and then it's a very as you kiss Tina's wreckage I swear this the last bio pic question I asked then we can get into the president and have fun or whatever but like I just want to be at that moment of and we have to grip something and just put the whole thing just call it a giant cylindrical nipple got it it keeps us straight this boat the like you you're like I'm GonNa just do this for real like I'm not going to just have a fantasy about being like crazy and fun. Am Hungry of the contest I just wanted like one minute of radio and I can show this to my parents right so because I did not know what I was wrap says it no there's no what brand never appears that's the ultimate I don't think you're ready the cover my friend from England he was like hey to note the difference between British Humo- in Sherman Huma Psycho tell me he's like British humor is funny second like I I'm actually like I'm going to suck on nipple and that's not a Nipah can't help yourself from it I cannot yeah yeah so come over here you enter a hype man cons I do yeah this is a real thing the answer okay so this is I know I'm telling you truths for Real I entered this highpoint hype men contests for Real I did not know I would win I thought I would be like the of actual like because you're are you American now or are you a dual citizen no not American at but maybe this would occur on this day at yes so how is it like a two minute two minutes or do they tell you when you're just keep going and going it's all right didn't know soft underbellies were geography Palermo Sicily sorry are you ready for Dr Your heads already together this fucking wow when I say hip you say nothing appearance do by the way Oh taking kick is good you slew I did not know what to Texas Ooh I'm just curious like what did you what did your family do like what there was a point where it seems like because it goes fast forward to the end of it you're you're you're you're back we would still be doing your sleepy song now if you guys had continued it because I do they eventually put a hook around you or showtime and it's over from the lyricist lounge than DJ Clark Kent who worked with J. C. and then is it anyway so you're hyping somebody that's actually doing having just waits yes do you work out I have to get up instructed to his all things and so then I just dislike individuals or Reno wherever you go with circus circus located you're just you keep making double down of things yes that's what I just keep doing you made a good call you're happy now right you're Dolton you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're not lifting things oh you're done you're entering would how does it end when you're hype meeting as your entry in the contest it's the first time the sound broke so then I kept freestyle rapping and okay so some tips always ask a yes or no question but it must be like a yes so as many you want cupcakes exit yes who wants to drink diarrhea question okay so you will help me he hypes you yeah I am see your your check each his flavor what I received a project they like you are your skin today be by Oh are you you're in suicide squad cannot say that back here hyping nobody still can't hear you he probably oh he is tall yes yes yes you're more more six six I just want to chug on that fame all and then you tickle the brings out everybody but the biggest we use them enthusiasm oh and you could benefit from like what yeah well let me hype man you me yeah oh I can't take it but there is a point the people are very excited about that but okay aw shitty johnny robots but did you have an NC that you'd hype a dedicated three judges one of the guys was aunt the invading Poland or something like that you can just patty you're not at a you know the tagging the cake is good is there such a thing as a bad MC like like like there can't be right because you have to stay the hype man yes you have to stay in those brains go outside confused that discontinued I didn't know I should stop and so they chalked this anyway so I wanted to sing and say oh this is this sort mean I should stay here him and he's not ready for you and that's a crime shit I need to be protected people do not know my name is flavor flav breath all they have to do is just sing a song and do nothing but maybe the crowd is already there yes and in the hype man's Mind Yeah let's say you're backstage you let's say you've just met your MC okay you're the height man okay let's say even lifelong friends friends and you're like I don't think you I wonder it's it's always nice to be confusing if hype probably like white like they would play a different beat what beat would you like to hype too I was like no beach little little more free styling yeah that's what I'm saying I I wanted to bio-pic your journey to today thank you identity pretending like a quick to beat sore he this other Heitmann would be like short-circuited to get the party started yes and put the FCC on on a floating cloud that garth brooks coming from the grand piano don't believe in Kurt Rambis yes the sixth man in the La Lakers thank you okay so that's that's not true is it true Auber Morten Oh okay you teach how to be a hype man German termer do you set it right well okay so let's let's listen Oh yeah he's really are you dishonest hype person for going out there and hyping up something that Yes yes it's a phone is that we're already to get hyped ns but that what does the goal of the hype man or or hype person is believing you believe in crystal lattice leaving me why do you know more references in America all of these people the German hype man and a guy that sleeps in his suit and he said do you know who Kurtz Mickens smack is shut up Kurt Ramos glasses he would come in and give five thousand go get kicked out punch he would Z.. Cupcakes yes siree telemarketing rules yes you create a Yes yes on hell yes in Germany's also nipples region to America it's a boise nip something we we're very homophobic culture here so we call I don't understand I don't understand anyone liking sports I don't understand an immigrant but knowing you ever going to be you know name off starting five Celtics Been Washington on the bench Dennis Johnson Larry Bird Robert Parish Kevin McHale Danny ainge fuck and help you got it tonight I say this in your mind the like how do I drink he's Thank you Lakers are you that that is the showtime Lakers yes I prefer I know offensive I prefer to the Celtics of this era reports that would have been the only time to like basketball pop culture it for us is sports basketball is like the dope est of all the sports because of the culture why would Germans be Mike Kupa James Worthy Kareem abdul-jabbar Magic Johnson and then cut Rambus on the bench what the fuck this is why I was not a success to the High Germany because this would exist immediately we'll tell you right you're not adequate that are too low way yeah so Edwin make it down fucking sometimes Kareem is ready for some Sky Hooking Michael coupons making swishes indeed cooking sit on the bench make illegal listen Commissioners Gris Elaine there'd be such a thing as a hype man whistle blower are they protected if they're like you know what you are you are ready for if you believe in your height your see what if your son you don't believe in you like do I still have to hype disperse every MC is your crystal light you believe in it that's a fucking James tweeted Dutton disagree with Okay Kevin Bacon also sixty six degrees who gives us not go on why AH I can't even remember no I mean what's his name I don't know dropping Nick Manning thank you nick manning if you're out there Areso sometimes Kareem abdul-jabbar James Worthy are just tired oh I don't WanNa play today I don't want to make a nice sky hooky great bringing could could were fowler different pockets than my pockets Puckett if you said I would be almost disgusted I would take a shower from one of your knowledge pockets right drops of a note so there's this porn star Winnie's coming he says dropping load he says the worst dropping does he pronounce the G. I think yes hard to low rising which that'll be the fucking name of this episode Nice Junkin coolest switching as no got those outrageous it's just it's well I mean it's crazy to me because it speaks of a strange pocket a dropping bat loads acted like he hooked into it and he's he's been on Howard stern a million times I think's kind of vanished yeah he's out there somewhere dropping we get home anyway but that's important he's picking up lows drop the trump twins is videos jay drop no okay I wasn't important a broken washing machine in appointed watching American sport it's cool it's cool Nice Dunkin quit switching the nine hundred ninety nine nice done fan coolest I'm going to decree that as the title of this episode but as easy to recruit as the lineup at least these current teams right these allow this I've got so much to do that's hot yeah that's that's his that's his softcore report where it's like it was called unbalanced load all right we've had enough of that let's try this exercise I'm your hype man of like because I don't understand like the things that I committed to my memory at that age were different and I've just fascinated by like is a utility because you were able to draw from your relationship with sports where you're like Oh yeah this guy goes out there and he for that person at this guy knows the starting six or five and then the bench could you need anybody else bench of the Lakers and Celtics back then I'd addition to those guys four eighty five middle eight hundred nine thousand nine hundred to Dream Team like changed my brain so like this is when magic and Larry old but they were still on the team and it's likely could be planning with an a it's an end jeff places Indira of terminent a term of what the Germans would call in most important I I just want to find out how much American isn't that weird yes I'm like a jacket lifts a car it doesn't ask the car if the car is lifted bowl and if the car says no I'm feeling heavier than usual the Jack doesn't go fuck this because I really think that it was going to be therapeutic for me and I find that profoundly inspiring what you said even though it actually is making me rethink sports are what this bag of dicks that I'm hyping it's not it's not a two way thing like I'm not here to receive energy from my subject I'm here to hype just about what ramp famous athlete I'm sure just who knows nobody cares okay that's another chip so only yes questions and no the no it's not his job to be a star is how I'm interpreting it heroism there that you can tap into your like I am the hype man and no matter hey people don't know right right right great dance know what's happening unless you want to make a little curveball a little Nolan Ryan action there acquit no fucking like it's defined by its jacking yachts just checking off high pyrite happy he loads up dropping you want a heart disease and they'll prince there's a porn where he plays Batman and he does say something with two parts so they know the second part you know so hard when I say okay okay but don't be using if you'd like to when I say pants you're like the six linebacker and the Laker six he was the first one off the bench and his job was the foul everybody closed line any Celtic Kevin Bacon Kevin Bacon is the is there a way just between us once in this is there a way to wave your hands in the air as if you do care yes I think that's the way to do it well you wave your hands in the air like this is the last time you'll have hands that hasn't worked big that's cuter threatening just thrown off my wife's here's Mike Karla's Santa Fe dropped using call and response no mad libs where they have to puzzle it out this is no Sudoku I have two and a one three three space space twiggy swick laptop lab fucking beautiful idea the heroes the starting five of the eighty five acres free hall to scream and then start permitting more screaming I just want one person to scream okay then that's choice you have the the rules now when I want you to challenge me don't take pity on and bail me out by if their hands are in the air should they care or not you can say wave your hands ear and then you can just watch them if you live title Dan dant named the name of the droplet loads guy from porn this is one A. 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It's like after watching human centipede these kinds of screams what is there anything else or should we the carbon based life forms thing before only question and you will not like so you ask questions and say we'll say yes no matter what and the shadows moving moving moving talking all right it's nine eleven that beat Oh okay yeah so say please welcome say Gosh Kabosh it then you're a great fees one hype man enjoy throttled hype if all I do in my life is make one person the J. did that because uh-huh is it better if he says drop was an apostrophe or dropping which was impressive that matters trump you absolutely have to have your hands in the air so raise them in a way that you feel that feeling of not having I remember one thousand nine hundred eighty bucks the wave your hands in the air like fucking obviously that's been tried and it didn't work yeah I've tried wave your hands like it's important seaways mixture that only comes from the hype that has been driven by Dan I there should be all about like the hype man introduction and then the pat them up their outcome that will punish you just feel I would say peanut butter you say Celli ask somebody and then say anybody anybody and then elevated to everybody I talk scream oh okay but not like somebody seem like it's the the and then the star begins I would tell you so it doesn't matter but was all right man when that when that when the person is now performed aw is everybody sitting in a board retry I would say less than ask them to scream at the end of the screen yes like my only ask somebody to and they don't ask everybody to somebody I'd say sue us no I don't green but it was worthwhile great have you seen each I think was his old don't spoil it for me I won't okay a girl yeah but it's not all right I'm not going to be sincere anywhere I rea- thinks I believe you a little bit when you're saying dipped down does everyone have a first name back everybody put your hands at the way you would if it didn't matter if you did was to as I can't hear you say something your hands version raise your hands depressing Joyce Brat list this polarizing sun the reports of a Free Democratic Pass your preference this is all right death is bad think golden girls was well crafted oh they were playing Berlin yeah skinny back too far I guess I say when I say you say the water see something go fish dad into golden it so far aw carpenter I think filtering series was gonna Split the very down twenty minutes twenty more minutes I say yes look at this point if you bought the album we thank you thank you thank you thank you yeah so what are you supposed to engage bands on your hypic you've gotta thank you aw I am remade banks before aw I look up sociopath and then I kick them in the testing of Spencer I was on the road recently as why missed I think the last Georgia's different doors close allies such thing as being out of the House and in the seriously fucking hard work that was amazing you exchange many dives tonight but it's also it's not just the physical it is the actual that the Vice President House the other difference next performance have you would agree that existence is superior to non existence even if only by purchasing the ability to acknowledge the good the most recent one but the previous Arman town and I made a grave error. 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and they go like I don't under- fucking stupendous there's I lost my voice just listening to you that was true crime story about a guy whose stories successes and failures was a roller coaster ride and that at one point he was tapped to play in the Harlem globetrotters which is like it's like to imagine the globetrotters is all about what a great basketball player he was and how good he could have been in his life I kind of took these returns and he ended up disappearing without a trace but what of the chapters of his life in the NBA The major league baseball I don't like the way these clubs Iran and the owners are all bunch of rich white assholes but when you said is is regular sporting events obviously yes usually not very large arenas but slightly smaller but yes it's also like not appropriate but the people that are like when I was a kid I heard I'm big into true crime oh my throat is I've never hype like the way Dan for real what was amazing ridiculously skilled because like 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Team Liquid Launches Liquid+, JBL Signs Three Big Streamers

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Team Liquid Launches Liquid+, JBL Signs Three Big Streamers

"Team liquid launches liquid plus and headphone brands are sweating, jbl, Folkston on East sports and gaming. I'm dreamed of the sports minute presented by e sports network team liquid. One of the most prestigious East sports organizations out there announce an interesting new platform on Tuesday. It's called liquid plus and is designed as a virtual meeting ground for fan the site works by having users connect their various online accounts to liquid plus they've ain't rewarded when they support liquid across the Internet the site integrates discord twitter twitch, and ready to counts that way when someone comrades on a game are League of legends or watch the liquid stream on twitch or retweets opposed they are rewarded with points on liquid plus. I think there's a clear issue here and that's getting people to connect their various online at. Coutts. So yeah, twitter I get for me and many others that's public facing profile akin to a link dinner a facebook. At bedrooms by the way, but my instagram is at the private I can't imagine wanting to link my to account to anything on the. Web, I think same goes for many use of discordant twitch as well, and I'm a journalist who's public facing on quite a few platforms that doesn't have any qualms about my security online maybe I'm off base and people don't mind making everything public facing, but I'm not so sure still the closed Beta was still within hours of liquids launch. It seems like the fans are happy to join the community but I'd be interested in knowing how many social accounts were. Connected to it as well. For Liquid, they get unprecedent information on their fan base and more chances for brand activation 's now moving over to jbl. The legacy audio brain is taking a gaming headphone brands much like Herman. Miller, taking shots at gaming chairs the complexity partnership. This is a long standing brand with a reputation for quality and for price coming to gaming today. JBL. Announced Partnerships with three major streamers teepee. The call of duty champion turned STREAMER CYPHER PK a popular battle Royale Streamer with over a million twitter followers and Sinatra. The reigning MVP of the Odor buell retired to play valor it. That's a slate right there JBL L. has a ton of resources companies like hyper x Turtle Beach and series who have long been part of a merry go round of sponsorships have a big competitor to watch out for now. If, you're interested in learning more about jbl gaming focus. I had Michael Craig Global Director of Marketing COMS for Harmon Gabriel's parent company on the East Sports Network podcast earlier this week, he was joined by one hundred, these vp of East, Sports Jacob Dangerous it, and the to talk about the jbl thieves partnership and how jbl is focusing in on the gaming. Audiences if you're interested in some of the academic research being done about video games in the college world I looked at a study over on the East quick take that showed why video games are not linked to aggressive tendencies out of game. That's for the sports minute as always be back tomorrow at the biggest story of the day in just a few minutes.

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Episode 25: Mishy Harman, host of the popular 'Israel Story' podcast

Our Friend From Israel

46:31 min | 2 months ago

Episode 25: Mishy Harman, host of the popular 'Israel Story' podcast

"Welcome to our friend from Israel a podcast brought you by from the Grapevine, Dot Com I'm your host Benjamin Colin, and each month we'll have a conversation with an intriguing Israeli. They'll come from all walks of life, actors, artists, athletes, academics, archaeologists, and other newsmakers on today's show, the host of one of the most popular podcast to come out of Israel Mishi Harmon. Everybody I'm speaking to you today from the stage of an Opera House at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in New York City. According to listeners, there is my out cursing throughout this hour on the podcast. We're not going to beep that and I'm here on Opera House stage with a story that is so small. It almost feels wrong to talbot in a room this ground. That's IRA glass. The host singlehandedly invented a radio genre with his audio documentary series. This American Life Now in its twenty fifth year. The show has more than five million weekly listeners. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery when mission harmon a Jerusalem native I heard this American Life, he knew the format was ripe for adaptation, and so he launched Israel's story. The podcast grown from a hobby between a few friends to a production that now includes sixteen people, including musicians and editors. It boasts listeners from one hundred and ninety four countries, and has upwards of two million downloads a year. The show recently kicked off its fifth season with stories from Israel, including a mysterious clock heist that went unsolved for quarter of a century and nationwide protests over cottage cheese. Any culture is best explained by the stories people tell about it in Michigan Harmon and his team are doing just that. I had a great conversation with machine about the cross country road trip that inspired his popular show, what his goals are for the future and the strange story behind circumcision that involve the luxury yacht, a private jet and international intrigue befitting a James Bond Movie. One two three. okay, so I'm recording here. Testing testing Yuck that looks like it's working okay. Alo- Alo- ALO- just checking my levels. Okay, I think that should be fine. Hello everyone and welcome to the show I am super excited to have a fellow podcast as my guest today I wanna welcome at Michi Harmon the CO founder and host of the popular PODCAST, Israel story welcome to the show. Hi, thanks so much lovely to be here, you and I normally recording in studios and other high end things, but because of the pandemic roll recording from home these days, but at least I get to see you on my computer screen, which is nice right. Where are you writing out? The quarantine I'm in Somerville? Massachusetts where I've been living for the last two years as my wife. was. Going to divinity school amount. She's graduated in vain. We are preparing to go back back home to them. Oh! Very exciting so I. I wanted to just quickly jump the new season of the of your show came out, and the first episode just grabs the listener. You know I think you mentioned in the introduction of that episode that it has the. It's almost like a James. Bond, story and IT INVOLVES A. Luxury Yacht private jet. Can you tell us a little about that story? It was such a fun story during the pandemic was sort of one of these. Feel. Good stories in the story is of a rabbi in Limassol in Cyprus rabbi named the ill bike. Who's fourth child was born from remember correctly march nineteenth or something so right as the pandemic was really was really sweeping through the region and he of course wanted to circumcise his son, but There is no more hill Vision Yeah. There's no in Cyprus and they usually fly. This guy from from Israel to Cyprus Cyprus is only like forty forty minutes away by plane How? To to perform these circumcisions, but he couldn't come because that would. He would have to be in quarantine. And then he would have been quarantined upon returning to Israel, and so they were thinking of all kinds of creative solutions, and very quickly they sort of. Delved into the world of James Bond Films. and they thought of having this mid see yacht rendezvous where the Moya would come on one yacht from Israel and they would go on one one yacht from Cypress, and they would meet in the middle of the sea, international waters or something in performed circumcision there, and then that plan pretty predictably fell through and. The prime! The president of Cyprus was involved in determining the fate of this poor little babies penis and And At the end they secured a private jet that flew the family from Cyprus to Israel. And then they perform the circumcision in the airport, but before the passport control, so they never actually entered Israel in any official way. Have to quarantine in Israel. The moyle never really left Israel, so he didn't have to quarantine and As far as I know, all all went well with the circumcision. Yeah, and I was just listening to another new episode. You're doing a lot of course. Obviously, not surprisingly doing a bunch of corona themed episodes, I just listened to the one where you interviewed the first Israeli to survive corona to have corona and get through corona and come out. He became kind of a local celebrity. Hospital was a fascinating story of thank you. It's in the episode that we released yesterday. and it's the story of patient number seven in Israel who was also as you as you correctly said the first corona to voters patient to recover. He felt this like deep sense of remorse for having introduced corona to Israel. He had been on a family trip to Naples Italy and came back and. Had A little bit of a cough and tested positive for Ronin. Mind you. This is in late February so you know people. People didn't know what that meant you know I'm really It was. My in laws actually got the coronavirus. Back in late February. Early March are the didn't they're fine now? Thank thank God. They're fine, they were. Sick at home for two weeks But it was also at the beginning. I think they went out to a theater with lots and lots of people in the and the, and that's where they got it, but it was again like you said it was one of these things where it was at the very beginning of the pandemic and nobody really thought about it much. You know as far as catching. An in, so he felt terribly. Guilty about potentially spreading this this deadly virus because he had come back from Italy, and he did know so he went to the supermarket and went to the gym and he went to restaurants and And he wrote this very public apology on Facebook, and this was at a time where there were as I said there were only a few a corona patients in in the entire country, so everyone was tracked so I mean in the media they would report exactly where each one of these grown a patient to been at any given moment and and they were all anonymous, and people were trying to guess who they are. And then he came out with his public posts. Saying it's me Here's all the things that I have done over the last few days since I returned from Italy. And suddenly, he was inundated with thousands of messages from people asking him if he had been there if he had been there. If you've been in six of the supermarket or Al Seven if he had you know been at the grocery store or not, and he ended up being fine, and he was released, and and people didn't even really know what it meant I. Think people still don't really know what? What it means to have recovered from Corona I. mean there's more and more research now showing that there might be long-term effects of having contracted the corona virus. People don't even know how long your immune right know from catching it again right? Yeah, changing every day, and then the the the kicker of this whole story. Is that it it's it seems possible that he actually never had corona to begin with that the. That it was a it was a false positive. That's crazy to have to go through. I mean he was one of these people that was you know in a bubble? You know reminded me of the scene from e t you know with all the people in the Hazmat suits and exactly t in the tent, right? it's I I kind of dove down in the deep started in the end here because I'm a fan of the show, and I just listening to those recent stories, but let's let's take a step back and. Tell me about how you got the idea for Israel story When when did that happen in? And how did that come about the genesis of the podcast? Sure so I am from drew slim. I lived in Jerusalem my entire life. And then after my military service, a came to the states for school. And I studied in in America, and then went to Grad School in England, and then came back to America to teach a little bit. And I didn't really know what I wanted to do. In Life I remember at that point in time I was. Sort of applying to things as diverse as being soccer coach in Northern Ireland and being a Mossad agent. And neither of those applications went very far. And my father gave me a piece of advice at the time, and he said well listen. You know if you don't know what you want to do. Why don't you just continue on the path? You're ready on, and that seemed to be some sort of academic path. So I decided that would go to. and. It was You know. I've been abroad for a long time at that point so a to myself that it's it's time to come back to Jerusalem and settled down and. So I enrolled in a PhD program at the Hebrew, university and just before I left I decided that I would mark the end of this American Phase of life. In this period here, in some sort of momentous way so I- body two thousand focus station wagon, and I packed all of my belongings including my dog. No me named for my aunt. NOMI. into into the station. Wagon I was living in Cambridge Massachusetts at the time. And we went off on this massive road trip across America, and it was I think thirteen thousand mile long road trip and zigzagging between thirty five states remember correctly and I guess if I have one piece of advice to impart to listeners of this podcast is that if you ever find yourself embarking on such a road trip yourself, you should take a dog because dogs are these amazing breakers of social barriers, so it's completely acceptable to come up to a stranger and start petting their dog, and then right before you know it your conversation with them, but if you remove the dog from that scenario, it somehow becomes completely creepy. So, the dog really allowed me to. Enter into interactions with all kinds of interesting people throughout America and it was a fascinating experience for a real eye opener. Because even though I had spent a lot of time in America was in very specific contexts in very specific bubbles, and suddenly I was experiencing these other America's and my best friend, de will before a embarked on this on this. Voyage. Odyssey he said well listen. You're going to be spending a lot of time in the car. Why don't I download? Episodes of something called a podcast to your phone. This year since this was twenty ten just purchase my first smartphone I'd never listened to a podcast episode before I like the very early days basically have the puck. Yeah, I mean podcast existed already, and you know this American life had already been airing for fifteen years, but but these podcasts that existed were more radio shows that were also available as podcasts just repackaged as practice, and he downloaded many episodes of this American life to my phone. And I sort of forgot about it basically. I was listening to a lot of books on tape. I was listening to music at some point I hit the Bible Belt, and it was all these evangelical Christian radio, Talk Radio shows, which were fascinating to me and Sort of very different than anything else that I had heard before then outside of Vicksburg Mississippi I decided to listen to my very first podcast episode, which was in episode of this American Life. And I didn't really know it at the moment, but. This was this was an instance that really changed my life and put it on. Put me on a new trajectory. What was so special about this was that even though I was sitting in a car and just listening to voices coming out of my phone's, I was magically being transported into all these lives of Americans. Who might never otherwise meet or encounter, and you know one minute I was with Illegal Salvadorian Immigrants Picking Avocados in. Southern California and the next moment I was in a boardroom on wall, street with billionaires, making making deals, and it was just dizzying and exciting, and all I could think about was while we really should try to replicate something like this and Israel. When we return, missy recalls the excitement of publishing their first episode, plus he reveals just how long it takes to put together one episode. We used to say that it took us about a thousand hours to create each hour of of the audio. I'd say that now takes us much more than that all that and much more. After the break! Now that our friend from Israel is back from hiatus, were excited to share a whole new batch of episodes with you in the months ahead will be having conversations with Tekkers, actors, and even a clown who works at a hospital. For example if I see kids in the bed, the the doctor camps to the room and needs to exam. And to ask him question. Oh the nurse common. Give him some immediate December needs to take. So is a clown. The first thing that I want to take these kids out of the bed. To bring him childhood, back. To give him the opportunity to choose. To do what he won't. Those interviews and many more will be coming soon in your podcast feed if you haven't already make sure to subscribe to our friend from Israel on your podcast APP to ensure that you're alerted right when new episodes are released. And now back to our conversation with the host of the Israel. Story PODCAST Mishi Harmon. Radio is actually a very popular medium in Israel. However radio is very very different. It's you know. Very, very news oriented. It's these sort of aggressive interviewers with an open mic yelling. Kinda like our our talk radio. A little bit. Yeah, you know talking to the same members of a rotating cast of the same you know two or three hundred people who are like in the public sphere, politicians, intellectuals professors celebrities. It's always very aggressive. people talk over each other. and we wanted to tell the kind of stories at this American life was telling which was. which are these sort of carefully produced human interest stories? And so several months later I got back to Israel I got together with three. My closest childhood friends. We'd all grown up together in Phnom, which is the youth of the salty or Conservative movement in Israel? and we'd all remained very close friends and we decided to embark on this project together and you know there was only one small problem. which was that None of us knew anything about radio or journalism or media. took us about a year to produce our very first episode. We got in touch with this American life and we went to new. York to to observe their process L. Our. That was nice nicer then. Yeah, they were they were. You know very supportive. and. We essentially have to teach ourselves. Everything had to record how to edit how to write for radio who our target audience was going to be, and then the following year were now twenty twelve. We released our very first episode. and Um. We had very very humble hopes for this episode. How many people listened to the first episode? Well I remember that we when we press release. We pressed her to publish. We did it somewhat ceremoniously and I think we. We were four friends said that were doing this project together and we each had a partner. And two parents and we said well we can, at least count on twelve listeners and I think of those twelve. We've got eleven. One of the DADS build on us, but really really. It was. It was very underneath the radar No one was aware of this We put it on our facebook. profiles I remember our tremendous excitement when for the very first time mean. There were so few downloads that we really we. We knew who each download was. Wow! I remember how excited we were for the first time when there was a download by someone who wasn't a family member or a lover, and But we were you know as a creative project for us. We were all doing other things at the time. This was sort of a late night. When you are adapting this American life for Israel. What what if anything had a change in that? In that translation so to speak in that in the in the format? Did anything after change your or Or was it. To begin with. We had a hard time because we you know we know one who had to podcast was Yeah I. Mean we did follow the format pretty closely. We did have acts we. You know at the end of the day. What is this American life it's. Sort of a combination of storytelling error, entertaining storytelling in journalism, and it's really just applying the tools of journalism to every day lives and situations so. I remember those early episodes. There was one about a professional whistler. There was a a messianic cow I talked about. I think Israel's growing medical marijuana industry. Did. Did you have a favorite know? It's like picking your favorite child, but does one stick out for you that you really are proud of from those early episodes, yeah! We happened upon a story very early on, so we produced a whole season in Hebrew before we moved onto. English because what essentially happened is we had this pilot on the radio and? Then thousands and thousands of listeners road in saying basically variations on the same thing. Which is you know? My name is each week I'm fifty five years old. I live in Johan. And a last night while listening to support we slightly to Israel's story. I was the first time in my life that I. Did the dishes or took the dog out or went for a run and actually listened. Really listened to the story of. A Bedouin girl from Hawaii or a Russian immigrant working as a night. Watchman in. At a parking lot in a in a shadowed or ultra-orthodox woman from fact and that was exactly what we were trying to do. We were trying to expose Israelis to other others rallies that they wouldn't otherwise interact with in real life, and there's a lot of production. It's not like this podcast where it's just one on one interviews and you guys, have you guys are like very NPR in the sense. You're going out in the field recording background audio, the marketplace or wherever that person is. You know you have a lot of. Facts may not be there, but you have a lot of audio, which makes you feel more like you're immersed in the storytelling? I think Yeah, I mean basically I think the best way to explain. It is to say that it's like a documentary film. Just in audio version. We used to say that it took us about a thousand hours to create each hour of. I'd say that now takes us much more than that Wow, and their stories that we follow for months and certain extreme cases, even for years doing interview after interview after interview And we have many many many hours of tape for each interview. I mean what you end up. Hearing in the story is a tiny tiny fraction of the tape that we collected, and as the years have gone on, we started doing a lot more fact checking a lot more research We started writing original music for this show and. Basically? The the the origin of the of the English show was that we decided after doing a whole season in Hebrew that we wanted to do this project in English as well, which was somewhat of a counterintuitive idea, 'cause we were essentially creating the American version of the Israeli version of this American life. Yeah also now you know we were. We were basically one of the first podcasts in Israel. So it was novel thing in almost everything we did was was interesting because it was, it was new. Here we were suddenly you know entering into a market that included all of the shows that had gotten US hooked on the world of podcasts to begin with in including the life. and. We knew that we had to up our production value, and it had to be attached to sound similar, and we were lucky to partner with the tablet magazine and Soon also with soon thereafter, also with Pr X., which is A. Big audience be there, and we started creating these these English episodes and the idea. There was that you know. Israel there's other people hate and Israel the people love is Israel. Both of those places are really imaginary places, and Really, you know Israel exists mainly in the states in these sort of grand relatively flat narratives, so there's A. Yeah politics religion war right. Those are Kinda the main narratives I. think that people here in the states think about when they think about Israel. Right and and you know if it's politics than you can break that down to you know there's a B. D. S. narrative. There's an Israel advocacy narrative. There's you know sort of? Let's celebrate Israel as a start up nation. A narrative Israel invented the Cherry Tomato and ways and all these Israeli innovations. Djing right right right and we thought that none of those narratives really captured the complexity and nuance of Israel and we wanted to tell that story. We wanted to tell a story of a place that. Is a real place full of real people, and there's a lot of beauty and a lot of a lot of ugliness and I, imagine there's there's many ways where you find stories. You just have a lot of people looking for stories online reading, reading places, and just trying to find good stories to tell. Right early on that was a challenge for us. and we told stories that we heard from. our families from our friends from sort of a relatively small circle of people, and that was problematic. Because here we were you know. Working on a show called Israel story, but in fact we were for a very very similar creators I mean In fact, we couldn't have been much more similar. We tried, so we were all boys. We were all born in nineteen, eighty three. We had all grown up together. We all had one Israeli into one American parent well and You know we were all friends so as challenging so early on we thought of all kinds of projects that would take out of our natural habitat The first one that we did was called forty-eight so Hertzel Street is the most common street name, in Israel. It's like the Israeli. Main Street. Ram and there is A. Remember correctly three Hertzel streets in all of the country and We chose number forty eight. Because of you know nineteen, forty eight. The year that the state was established and we went. and knocked on every single forty-eight Hertzel Street. In the country. Record of the story of the person that happened to live or work there and what you do when you embark on a project like that is that you get cross section of Israeli nece- you get young people and old people and rich people in poor people and see you're getting a nice cross next. Yeah, and we did a bunch of projects like we did one project, which we totally ripped off of this American life where we spent twenty four hours in an all night. pancake. House on the coastal road. And talked to every single person who walked through the door, we did a back to school episode where we chose twelve different kinds of schools so in ultra Orthodox school a. Religious Zionist school a Bedouin, school, a school and a keyboard school, and a settlement, a special special education school and spent a day each school recording stories that we overheard over recess, so he tried all these things to sort of get out of our own little social bubble today, a large percentage of our stories come from pitches from from listeners, as the as the show grow more and more people starting pitching stories. When we return Michigan explains how becoming a storyteller changed the understanding of his own story. It's a very. humbling experience because you realize that your story is just that it's just your story, and that your experience of life is is really very limited, so if I've learned one thing from working on the show for now almost a decade is. It's how many different Isreaeli lives actually exist. All that and much more. After a quick break? If you're enjoying this episode. You'll also want to check out our friend from Israel Dot com where you'll find the entire archive of interviews we've done including with scientists alien hunters, magicians and Celebrity Chef Ron Ben Israel who was discovered by the Queen of Daytime TV. What was it like getting a call for Martha Stewart? Actually I thought it was a joke I thought. Somebody's pulling my leg and then when I love is, there will only be laughing at me. You can find that interview and our entire archive of episodes at our friend from Israel Dot Com. And now back to our conversation with the host of the Israel Story PODCAST MSCI harmon. Are there things that you decide not to put on the show because there I mean you obviously cover a lot of topics from the funny to the serious I mean you have life and death in there? Is there anything you've decided not to put in? Because it was just, it was too raw to emotional. Well, I mean. For sure there, many many stories that we don't air for all kinds of reasons and you know we. We only pursue a tiny fraction of the pitches we get and. and. There's all kinds of reasons why a story might not get produced but As a category, the only thing that we decided early on that we would try as much as possible to avoid. Where was politics? So while the show is a political in that We decided that there were plenty of outlets that were talking about. T know the conflict. in a direct way and that we didn't need to become another one of those outlets. And our show you know never asks our listeners to vote for. Anyone ever endorses anyone There were three election. Cycles this past year in Israel If you just listen to Israel's story, you'd be oblivious. To that, so in all of those ways we're are apolitical, but on a much deeper level. The premise of the show is inherently political and that is that a person is a person as a person and that. We will only. Learn and progress as a society if we listen to each other, know each other's lives in. Enough Have the ability to exit are all little existence and see what life might look like through the eyes of somebody else right so I'm wondering. How do you protect your guests humanity? And not make them a sideshow for the podcast. Look. I think that in our worlds Your reputation is everything and we understood early on that unless we created a reputation. Of being extremely honest and true to the experience into the story that we had heard while we interviewed people, no one would talk to us anymore so. we spend a tremendous amount of time with our interviewees, and we'll often have hours of tape that are reduced to a single sentence in the actual in actual podcast, but. It's crucial that that single sentence or however many sentences that character says. or a reflective of their larger point and What they were telling us, so it's so easy to manipulate people's words into you know. Take them out of context and to have them essentially, said he the exact opposite of what they were trying to say, but of course. What's most important to us? Is that the we accurately convey What people were trying to say? And you know there have been plenty of stories over the years that we've aired that I or Other producers on the show have disagreed with on a personal level You know people who made choices that we wouldn't have made, or who live lives or have used that we don't have or we don't share, but nevertheless it's very important for us to represent what they believe in what you know is true for them, and then each listener can decide whether that resonates with with with her with him. and and how has? Becoming a storyteller, yourself changed your understanding of your own story. It's a very That's an excellent question. It's a very humbling experience, because you realize that your story is just that it's just your story, and that your experience of life is is really very limited, so if I've learned one thing from working on the show for now almost a decade is. It's how many different Israeli lives actually exists in how life in a moshav in in McKees Lael is completely different from life and banana block, which is completely different from life in an unrecognized Bedouin. Village, which is completely different from life in Bethlehem, which is completely different from life in Tel Aviv, which is completely different from life, in Tiberius and And you know I am able to realize that my own particular circumstances and the family I was born into and the friends that I have, and the schools that I went to and so on and so forth. Have given me my specific outlook on life, but that is really all it is, and it's no more or less valid or importance than than any other one. You studied history at Harvard. Archaeology at Cambridge, where three wrote year PhD which was about a Protestant missionary Ethiopia your Hebrew universities you have you have a varied background I wonder how that informs your storytelling. Coming from what I'm. Hearing is that your goal is to get people to almost walk a mile in someone else's shoes and I'm wondering if your background, your own background helps you in that mission I've always been very. Very curious about different things, so I think that that probably helps you when you are looking for stories, because we, the kind of storytelling we do is. were very lucky in that. are I I always feel that I have like the best profession because I can be working on a story about archeology one day in a story about you know I didn't know red peppers the next day in a story about for example this morning I was trying a suddenly a in the shower. I was thinking. How many people in Israel have a Hitler like mustache? And, then I thought to myself Maybe that's a story idea. Maybe I should go out and do a story about people in Israel, whoever Hitler like Master Mustache is that an actual episode that people can listen to It's not yet. It's completely. GERM OF AN IDEA But tuned in your podcast feed people. That may be an upcoming episode. So so really you know it's. It's extremely varied in I. think that if you are curious about life that helps you very much. And one thing that. Working on Israel story is done to me. Is that you really start seeing stories everywhere? I'll give an example next to my apartment. In Jerusalem, there is a locksmith store you know that sells keys and and locks and stuff, and then right next to it. Literally. The the next door over is another locksmith. Store like a starbucks across the street from another race. Right accepted starbucks is are everywhere and you know all of Jerusalem. There's only maybe ten locksmiths, stores or something so. So I think in normal days prior to working on. Israel's story would just would have said. Okay, but now with the having developed this sort of story like. Antennae I said to myself Surely there's a story here and already like start. You know in my mind thinking what story could be so in my mind, it's you know. A Guy who was an apprentice in the original story, and worked for them for twenty years, and then you know betrayed them and and opened up his own store. Right next door and you know there's a whole construct a whole story that I have no idea if that's correct or not, but but you know. I start essentially viewing the world through this lens of stories right, so so, what was the story behind this to locksmiths data not yet. Are, you okay? Yeah, WE'RE! We're getting. A lot of sneak peeks potential episodes. Yeah, I, just have a few more questions before we close I i. I think I cut you off earlier. We we got We got sidetracked when I asked you. If you had a favorite episode and I'm not sure if you actually answered that question and I don't want my listeners to be upset that we didn't get that. So the truth is I. Don't have a favorite episode I mean we've now released? Fifty two episodes in English as of this recording and we've released forty two episodes in Hebrew and I should say that the Hebron English episodes have very little overlap so It's It's almost entirely different stories And of all of those episodes. Of course you know, some of them are dear to my heart, because I got attached to the characters, or you know I worked for them on. You know for for lengthy periods, or or you know I just really liked something about them. But in many ways I mean you know all of them are things that are that that? We've worked on and and. Feel feel sorta warmly towards There are stories that you know. There's a episode that we aired early on. That's perhaps our most popular episode till This Day, it's an episode about a ultra-orthodox win from fat who? Is A serial adopter of babies with Down Syndrome. That episode I WANNA encourage our listeners to to of course subscribing and go through all the archives of Israel's story Michigan if you and I were to have this conversation in five or ten years from now, where do you hope to be? Barely know where I'll be tomorrow. And all of us are kind of in that. I hope Israel story continues to Flourish I. Hope that we continue to grow. I hope that our staff which is now about fifteen people continues to grow. We reach a size where we can produce. You know more regularly more frequently. Pie doing about you're doing about what? How many episodes of year fifteen? Yeah something like that ten fifteen episodes It's Always uphill battle to keep this operation alive so a lot of what we do is basically fundraising applying for grants stuff like that Pandemic you're doing a lot of live shows I know. We do a lot of live shows. A lot of presentations now a lot of zoom stuff, yeah! And you know I hope that we are able to tell more and more diverse stories of Israeli society to reach audiences that we typically don't reach I'll give you an example you know. During Corona, the the biggest. The community that was hit hardest were the ultra-orthodox in In fact, banana block was the first city in Israel that went under full lockdown. And though we do have many ultra-orthodox people on our show and have told stories of ultra-orthodox people. The kind of orthodontics. People tend to want to talk to us. are sort of on the on the outskirts of the mainstream ultra-orthodox Society which is very insular society in his. You know hesitant to talk to outsiders. Especially you know people like us who were very clearly different from them so for those I don't know what she looks like Goo. Google has name and you'll see You'll see. His hairstyle is something to behold. So getting to new kinds of populations, is always you know something that we tried to do? And I hope we continue to do I hope we have We reach more listeners. I hope we. Come up with new ways that I can't even imagine at the moment of telling stories May Be, it's filmed, and maybe through TV or in writing We've already you know ventured into these live shows, which are basically these theatrical. adaptations of episodes with the. Alive band with dancers in with live animation and video and stuff like that, so you know one of the real pleasures of this kind of creative. Endeavour, as that that there's really no limit so I. I hope continue to explore and to. Experiment and Have Fun. Yeah I want to end with with one last question before I. Let you go. You're such an accomplished interviewer I, WanNa know. Is there anything? I didn't ask you that I should've asked you. I guess in my secret as an interviewer is That I just spend a tremendous amount of time with with the interviewee. Basically a you know, never leave before the essentially kicked me out and most often, there are some exceptions to this, but most often I don't come in with like. Any sort of clear sense of a list of questions that I want to ask or anything like that I just let the interview go in the direction that it goes, and above all I. think that you know if you think about. What the experience of being interviewed. Really what you want to do is is to gain the trust of the person. You're interviewing so if you think about it, I'm going into people's homes and kitchens and living rooms, and it would be unreasonable for me to expect them to immediately spout out You know the. Their feelings about the most. Meaningful joyful. You know painful moments of their lives, so they're only going to do that if if they trust me and in that way, it's a little bit like dating. You know you have to. You have to earn their trust before they can, they can reveal themselves. My sister always says the vulnerability is the first thing that you look for in someone else in the last thing that you wanna show about yourself and. And that's really true so. I usually spend quite a lot of time, just chit chatting and talking about myself and having them feel that they can trust me with whatever it is that the that they really want to say that they don't have to edit themselves and so to answer your question as I as I feel very comfortable and trust you fully I. Think you've done excellent job. Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that means a lot coming from you. 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Apology

Still Processing

38:51 min | 1 year ago

Apology

"When I was about eleven maybe twelve. I did something that I I have now come to regret. Wow. What happened? Well, I used to pop my sister's bra-strap. Wesley Robert Morris. No, you did not. I did my sister. And I were very close. We are very close. Her name is Robyn, she's two years younger than so it means that at some point her body started to develop and change and she had a training broad. We outside and play and knowing at some point that I wanted to do something that would make everybody in the group laugh, I would pull the strap of her bra as far back as I could get like a catapult. Oh my God. And I let it go. And it would make an actual snap. I distinctly. Remember the snap. My god. Where did you get that idea from? I don't think I saw anybody do it. But I definitely know that the the atmosphere of doing things two girls that other people would find funny, I probably got from this movie called zapped. Wow. And the plot zapped is basically held. Scott bay, oh is endowed with telekinesis and used as telephonic powers to pop open girl shirts and lift their skirts. I honestly can't even believe that was a movie. I mean, I can't believe it. But I'm I'm horrified. Like, that's awful. Yeah. I know welcome to nine hundred eighty three four five six seven Lord. Okay. Go on. But I don't remember exactly what I was thinking when I did it except I loved that everybody else. Founded funny, what never registered to me was how upset my sister. Was. She would scream at me and told me that it's not funny. She'd run into the house until my mother, my God, my mother would then say Wesley, you can't do this stop it. But I kept doing it. Did you ever actually apologize to Robin? I did apologize. But I Apolo. Which is like a very sort of perfunctory. I'm sorry. I mean, I knew I was apologizing for popping her bra strap but the deeper meaning of the apology maybe hadn't sunken in yet. No, it didn't think until four months ago is the strongest member you have strongest memory of the incident, something you cannot forget take whatever time you need. Indelible in the hippocampus is the laughter. The LA the Bruce laughter between the two and they're having fun at my expense. Christine Blasi Ford and Brett Kavanagh's supreme court confirmation fiasco watching that hearing it just made me want to apologize to my sister again. So what was the grown adult version of that apology like for you? It wasn't about absolution, which I think is a kid you want to be acknowledged for having done the right thing in apologize. It was about acknowledging that I'd done this horrible thing. It was about outlining my perception of the depth of the injury and giving that back to her to do whatever she wanted to do with. Well, what did she do with your apology, it gave her a kind of lightness? But it doesn't even make the fact that I did it better to her. I think it just makes it real. I'm Jenna worth them. And I'm Wesley Morris were to culture writers at the New York Times. And this is still processing. I have a story like that too. Unfortunately. But the key difference between you and me is that I did not apologize. So what happened? So I have this childhood friend named NICKY. We grew up together. Both my parents were in the PTA for a while. We had the same babysitter and very quickly. We became best friends. We went to the same elementary school. And then we actually have different school district. So we were separate for middle school and high school, and then towards the end of high school, we realized that we'd got into the same college, and we decided to be roommates and college was a really tough transition for me for many reasons, and it was really nice to have somebody that felt like family around. And I just remember really fun times like late night talks and our dorm beds sharing close real sistership. So at some point Nikki goes home for the holidays, and she comes back with a box full of memorabilia from our childhood. And she pulls out this journal that she kept his kid and inside there's a drawing of one kid pushing the other on the playground. And I was the one doing the pushing. So we're looking at this picture, and we're both laughing about it. But she turns to me and says like you. Really mean to newer kids. You're a bully. Yeah. I mean, it's it's really hard to say it. But I was you know, as an adult now looking back, I understand why Nikki was she was like the golden child of our school. She was in all the gifted and talented programs. She was always picked to do the readings in front of the school. She was really beautiful really feminine. She just had all this gorgeous, natural curly hair. She was leaned. She was leggy. She was popular. She was beyond say she was baby on say. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'll make sense, and I was chubby. And I was in drudge gin is I think it was also like a really unhappy little kid, I think I was being bullied by my older sister. And I didn't really know what to do with it. But I was just acting out this trauma, and this unrest. And I just I always felt like I could could get away with it. And I have to admit Wesley like I feel really ashamed of that behavior. And I feel really embarrassed and mortified that. I I never actually dealt with it. Well, if anything not apologizing makes you fundamentally American. I would say, it's horrible. What true we live in this country in which bears no apology for the land that was taken from indigenous peoples. I mean think about it some people from one country come to some other country. They kill everybody who was already here. Yeah. They put them on other land make them live there. And there's Lor that gets passed down through the centuries right that this massacre. This genocide is a thing to break bread over right, which we do every every year without any acknowledgement of where our abundances and our blessings actually come from. It's the sorry not sorry is holiday in the history of the world. I'm going to bet it's tough. We have no reparations for black people whose enslaved ancestors help build this country on the land that they took from indigenous people, also, Geno, your failure to apologize actually put you in. Very good company. There is an entire section of the American popular music canon devoted to not apologizing. There's at least enough for really good sorry. Not sorry playlist. But let's start the beginning. What you got? What's Scott, the top of my head? I won't back down by Tom petty. Yes. The. One of the great American. I'm not sorry songs. It makes me proud to. Just to sing it. Sachs also outcast miss Jackson. Two. I mean, great songs love it. But miss Jackson. Didn't do anything. You didn't do them into Jackson talking to her daughter. Like, maybe you should come. Sorry. Young Jackson you need to deal with the problem and stop avoiding it. Nirvana's all apologies. Which is a song that really is about not saying sorry for saying something. That's true. Right. I. I I. Oh my God. Anthem. That's an end. These aren't just songs on like song eleven on some album never heard of before other major hit truth be told Wesley. It's not just in music. Even though music is the soundtrack for our non apologetic culture, it's everywhere in popular culture. I mean, it feels like every single day turn the news or turn on Twitter, Instagram. Do you have high talk about social media is that was like a television set, but you put on you know, any time you read anything there's essentially someone who did something and isn't sorry for doesn't want apologize for does want to deal with it or they think they're apologizing. But they really are not. Hey, Kevin Hart. We're talking about shoes. Correct. Kevin Hart is announced as the host of next month's Academy Awards. He is very excited to do it. Everybody's kind of like, oh, this is interesting. Kevin Hart is gonna hose this should be a change of pace. He seems to really want to do it. Unlike some of the other hosts, although I think Jimmy Kimmel actually did want that job and was good at it. But anyway that excitement lasted for what thirty seconds if even milliseconds a day, and then Twitter said, oh, no, he did we've got all the receipts and making the hand gesture of just bring all the receipts from Mr. hearts past of making homophobic after homophobic joke and using the F word the other f word and just really being trash online and he had to step down. Well, he opted to step down as what he did. He I don't know if we agree or disagree about this. I don't think he has. Had to turn the job down. I think what he had to do was give a good apology. Well, he clearly, but it's once you the thing is Kevin Hart thinks that what he did was given apology, but he actually just threw up a bunch of defense mechanisms and essentially was just like I'm sorry that you're mad. You know, he didn't really address the impact of the actions. He didn't really acknowledge any harm that he might have caused and he didn't even try to empathize or have compassion with the people who were upset. He basically said this is a you problem out in meet problem. I'm moving on with my life. I mean, can you imagine how many movies how much culture would be different? If people that just apologized from the giddy up, like take poltergeist, for example on my God. Okay. Let's go. The story of a nice white family who moves into a suburban subdivision. A terrible prisons is in there with. So much range so much betrayal. Since can. I don't know what have is over his house, and it was strong enough to Petra hole in this world. Take dog away from you. Only to discover that the reason there's all this craziness is because they built this place on ancient burial grounds. And nobody atoned for it. Right. Oh, oh, here's another one. Yeah. With their be a best, man. Oh, gosh. Slams figured it out. Didn't he? Yeah. He figured it out promptly beat my s and. Called off the wedding. So best man, which is a movie about a writer who writes, a really scandalous tell all fiction. I'm using air quotes here about his friend group from college. They've already gathered for a wedding and everyone's got copies of the book, and they're slowly realised that he's used their lives to make all this money and reveal some really deep end personal secrets they they wouldn't be in marital bliss by the time was supposed to have come out. But thanks to you miss. I want an exclusive I've got my ass whooped if tade digs it just said, you know, what you had to do. All Harper had to do was say gosh, awesome TGIF gift cards. So y'all can go out at your leisure, take yourself to dinner, get extra entree or two if you. Kids. Bring some home get some Henny. They have good Margaritas. All you need to do is. No, I didn't mean to cause you harm personally. I'm glad he didn't apologize because he wouldn't have such delightful franchise. But if he had everything would have been fine that is what leads to a culture of non apology is the inability to actually address a weakness, right? And admit a weakness and be vulnerable, and look as a culture, I don't think that we have the tools to metabolize. Shame trauma that is not dealt with. That's not transformed into something else. Guess what? It doesn't disappear. It goes somewhere else. And usually into another person a child of family member, a partner, you know. It's it's like matter. You just can't get rid of it. It has to go somewhere else. Poltergeist is like a pulsar Geist, exactly. And on that note, we're gonna take a quick break. And we'll be right back. This podcast is brought to you by Amazon prime video presenting homecoming now nominated for three Golden Globes, including best television series, drama and lead actor performances by Julia Roberts and Stefan James directed by creator of mister robot. Sam 's mail, the New York Times calls homecoming magnetic a suspenseful thriller with an emotional punch watched the full season now at Amazon dot com. Backslash homecoming TV this podcast is brought to you by Amazon prime video presenting homecoming now nominated for three Golden Globes, including best television series, drama and lead actor performances by Julia Roberts and Stefan James directed by creator of mister robot. Sam 's mail, the New York Times calls homecoming magnetic a suspenseful thriller with an emotional punch watched the full season now at Amazon dot com. Backslash homecoming TV. Well it. Your wisdom has just reminded me of something. In terms of what makes for good apology? And I'm thinking about. The incident in which the television writer and show runner. Dan, Harmon gas was accused of sexually harassing one of his fellow writers, one of his employees, Meghan Ganz. Yeah. So here's what happened for those who missed it in early twenty eight teen. Megan Ganz was a writer on the show community 'cause out her former boss Dan Harmon for workplace misconduct harassing her. But she's not specific she just kind of alludes to it. Dan, apparently reaches out directly in apologizes. But then goes a step further and dresses it on his podcast because as he says he doesn't want to repatriate the problem also wants people to learn from his mistakes. And she said the same thing she's been saying the entire time. Please don't you understand that focusing on me. Like this liking me like this preferring the like this. I can't say no to it. And when you do. It. It makes me unable to know. Whether I'm good at my job. And because I finally got to the point where I said to her. I love you. Because that's what I thought. It was. When you target somebody for two years, and it was therefore rejected that way, I was humiliated. So I wanted to teach her a lesson. I wanted to show her that if she didn't like being liked in that way, then oh boy she should get over our soft after off. You're just going to be a writer. This is how just writers get treated. I crushed on her and resented her for not reciprocating it and the entire time. I was the run writing or paychecks and in control of whether she stayed or went and. Just treated her cruelly, pointedly things that it would never ever ever have done if she had been male. What he does is. Offer a very unvarnished window into why he felt entitled to pursue her. And what he realized was the impact his sort of unrelenting advances on her which she turned down repeatedly put her in a position of low self esteem, low stuff confidence, and frankly, you know, job peril right because she's in a position where turning down her boss means she might lose her job and never work again in this industry, which as we know happens to women in these industries. Yep. So after the podcast comes out Megan's tweets. Here's a weird one for you last week. I called up my former boss Dan Harmon for sexual harassment. And today, I'm going to ask you to listen to his podcast. She continues. Yes. I only listen to because I expected an apology. What I didn't expect was the relief. I feel just hearing him say these things actually happened. I didn't. Dream in. I'm not crazy ironic that the only person who could give that comfort is the one person. I'd never asked. She also adds. This was never about vengeance. It's about vindication. That's why didn't feel right to just accept his apology in private although I did that too. Because of any part of this process should be done the light. It's the forgiveness part. And so then Harmon, I forgive you. And what I think is really remarkable in this whole exchange, and why it really stands out as an example of good apology is because the people who maybe idolized in Harmon or black in themselves to him or find themselves in similar position of power or or similar position of privilege can understand that that line of thinking is so toxic and very damaging and can hopefully understand how not to do what he did in the first place. I also think that it's good to talk about that Dan Harmon apology because there's a version of it. And we've seen so many of them in which Dan Harmon. Says I'm sorry. You felt that way. I did do that. But it wasn't the way you think it was the Dan Harmon apology is devoid of offensiveness. It's devoid of blame. It's devoid of deflection. It's not an attempt to avoid the impact of the act rate. It's an it's a direct dealing with it, which brings us back to Kevin Hart. No jenna. I have seen three versions of this apology now. And. I'd like to stop for second. And think about why none of them works, and why all of them all of the subsequent non apologies deserve an apology. So here's what he posted on Instagram. And it's important to know that the video is Kevin Hart laying in bed shirtless. Boy, Saul gravelly, he hasn't as I green juice of the day. Just bejeweled nettle. Foals like like, I mean, he couldn't eat bother to put a shirt on to talk about this incident. All right. So this is from the Instagram post. Swear man a world is becoming. Beyond crazy. I'm not gonna let the craziness frustrate me or anger me. Especially when I worked hard to the mental space that I am at now. Team caused me all my guy. Kevin world is upset but tweets you years ago. All my God guys almost forty years old. If you don't believe that he would change grow evolve as they get older. I don't know to tell you if you wanna hold people position where they always have to justify explain explainer pass. Indeed you. I'm the wrong guy man in a great place. Great mature place for all. I do spray, positively if unite doing that on my page that is the textbook not apology. It's actually a schoolyard tot, I'm ever your glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me in sixty. I mean, there is just no willingness whatsoever to absorb any critique or any feedback from anyone and just his flipping back on anyone that has a problem with him. What Kevin Hart is doing is defensive. He's not hearing the complaint about his behavior. He's not hearing the hurt. Right, right. He does not manage to find empathy or compassion for the communities that are impacted by his glibness around sexuality. Yes. That is the most nauseating quality of about apology. I mean in terms of glibness, it's it's a thing that never penetrates. It's a it's a non serious gesture, Geno. We. Should just say that he did get around at some point to making an actual apology to gay people. Yeah. And and and the the community, and what he said was I've made the choice to step down from hosting this year's Oscars. This is because I do not want to be a distraction on a night that should be celebrated by so many amazing talented artists. I sincerely apologize to the LBJ TQ community for my insensitive words from my past I roll here an IRO, you would have just heard that. Oh my God. It's the rock rumbling toward Indiana Jones in raiders the lost ark. So what is wrong with this part? Because this part to me is gets to the fundamental question of what a good apology is you have to at least restate. What you did he kind or like you like around ran, certainly. I'm gonna stop you right there. She says for my insensitive words from my past. And he also didn't quite even get the updated version of the acronyms. There's now a QA and I. Sir. So you should've just tried a little bit harder. I mean, you could have made a donation to an organization, you know, you could've volunteered some time. There are a lot of ways to show genuine remorse and enough words to max out a tweet ain't always it. And then last week Ellen Degeneres basically had him on her show. Right. Ten years old. I've addressed it of apologize for it. I don't wanna have to have this conversation anymore because I know who I am. I'm not that guy. I know you're not that guy because I know you I really want you to host the Oscars. I called the academy today. I said cabins on. I have no idea if he wants to come back and host, but what are your thoughts? And they were like, oh my God. We want him to host what whatever we can do. We would be thrilled. And he could host. She basically exonerated. But the thing is that Ellen is essentially seeing herself as a peacekeeper as a gatekeeper. She is deciding to be this lease on to help heal the relationship between the academy and Kevin Hart, the former Oscar host herself. Yes. Right. And look she's decided to spend all of her gay capital coins on Mr. Kevin Hart by insisting that she believes that he's apologize. I just feel like if he's already apologized once what's the harm and doing it again. And the worst thing about this entire dynamic is Kevin Hart keeps insisting over and over and over again throughout the entire appearance. He's already said sorry. But if you've already said, sorry, Mr. like where the damn receipts, you know, like you keep saying the people that found the tweets find the apology. No, you not playing the apology, Ellen should say roll, the clip and your policy should be. But that wasn't enough. He then had to go on his own Sirius XM show straight from the heart and apologize. But in the third person, he did not say, I apologize. He said Kevin Hart apologizes, and then a couple of days after that. He goes on good Morning America and tells Michael Strahan and the millions of people who are watching that morning that he's literally over it. But I would say he's literally under it. But whatever was just take a step back away from Kevin Hart to just walk us through a little bit of a history of how we got to the word apology. Oh, all right, professor Morris because I student today. I think people who can't see me. In Plato and Socrates is days. An apology wasn't what we think of an apology is being an apology, actually is the Tom petty version an apology was the beyond savers. It's Demi Levato. Sorry. Not sorry. So at some point Socrates is dragged before the court to apologize for corrupting, the youth of Athens, and he basically has to give an apology and his Appalachia basically amounts to a self defense. It is almost like a you want me to be sorry. But I'm not sorry. And here's a case. I'm going to present to you as to why for anyone who wants to read about. This are highly recommend Plato's the apology of Socrates fine reading very enlightening. But that is originally the way an apology function. You presented yourself before court made a case often mockingly, by the way of the people accusing you of having done something wrong by offering an apples, you fascinating that has evolved to basically mean exactly the opposite. You are sorry for thing. Interesting so Wesley, I have an idea. Okay. Now that we know what a bad apology looks like why do we run through the elements of a good apology for anyone listening who wants a little help has something they need to make amends for. We've got a template for you. It is twenty nineteen new year. New you. Yes. Get your policy game rate. I know some help with mine say, okay, I would say use I statements. I messed up. I'm sorry. It's all about taking responsibility accepting the ownership what you did wrong and not putting a back on the other person. I would also say as a corollary to that. No, use statements. This is the apologize are saying they did wrong. Correct. If you use too many, use statements, you run into the problem of flipping the blame around on the other just don't you? You made me you, you're. Let ago. Yes. No ego. Pay the tech the two dollars just leave your ego at the door and really come in super vulnerable super soft super tender. This isn't about making yourself, look good. Yes. I would say no defense or explanation. I don't wanna know that you were bullied, so you're bullying me 'cause you got bullied to your any bullying me. I mean, we can talk about that after I get my apology. And that is gonna probably mean restating the offense and saying I did this to you. I can knowledge it I did it. And this is what I've learned in being able to get to a point to give this apology tracks cracked and also know your intentions going into the apology. That's a good. If you're doing it because you want this other person to respond in a particular way. Let it go. It's not about you. This is about them. About a toning for something that you did wrong. You cannot expect anything for the person that you're making the policy to all you can do is essentially lay yourself out at their feet admit the wrongdoing and say, I hear you, and I get it. And if I could do it again, I wouldn't do it acknowledged that what you do wrong acknowledged that you hurt the person and don't expect anything in return. Ding, ding, ding. That is the key. It's an utterly selfless act has to be it has to be. And the thing about the Kevin Hart apology is it's totally selfish. Exactly who is hearing that and thinking, oh, you know, what I forgive you read his comments tons of people, which just gives you more insight into the conundrum Warren, and why this is exactly who we are a country. We're gonna take a break. But before we do there's a very very, easy simple. Good song that pretty much sums up. How to give an apology covered by many people. Nobody's version is more at conic Brenda Lee's. Yes. This is are just simply saying, I'm sorry. Sorry. Was. Two. See? Hey, girl. Oh my gosh. Thanks for being down for this. Call. I did actually wanna talk about something really specific from our childhood that I've been meditating on. Okay. What are you? Remember about his kids? I remember really enjoying your company and your conversation. And I felt like I didn't affi- with you a lot. But I kinda felt like an outsider at the same time. I felt like you were of popular person. And I was kind of like a nerd like, I didn't know all the cool things. I wasn't like I just didn't feel like I was part of the in crowd, really. Yeah. My god. See I remember you as the pretty popular girl. That's so funny. Really everybody loved you. Wow. So I have this really specific memory that. I want to run by you. Okay. So our first year in college. We live together hated every second of it. No. I loved it. I loved it. I felt like because we went to different high schools, and we fell out of touch during our most formative years I felt like it was so nice to get to know you as an adult and two. I don't know. I I have such good memories of that time. I have this really clear memory of one weekend you've gone home. It might have been for the holidays. I'm not sure, but you'd gone home for the weekend and you brought back some box of memorabilia in that box. There was a journal or like a notebook of yours. And you were flipping through it. And you look at this picture, and it was a drying and remember in Cameron on the playground. Had those tunnels. You could climb on top of those huge sculptural tunnels. You could sit on top of climb through on the playground down that. So the picture you showed me was a little girl sitting on top of the tunnel with smile on her face like a big grin and she had a curly afro. And then there was another child with like pigtails flying off the tunnel. So the picture was depicting me on the tunnel with my early afro having just shove do you off the tunnel with your brave? Do you? Remember this at all? I don't remember this picture. But I probably have I know what you're talking about. And I think I have it somewhere downstairs in my storage. But I don't know about the patriots self. Okay. Well, it was just a drawing, and you were like you kind of really mean to me when we were kids. Maybe that picture do you? Remember how I told you I felt like an outsider you're pushing me out the tunnel. So I I must not feel like I have a place or feel like, you know, maybe I just felt like I don't know some sort of negative energy or something. I'm not sure. But I think that did happen though. Like, I I don't think that was depiction. And I I mean, maybe it didn't happen, exactly. Like that. But I do recall picking on you. I've really recalled being mean to you. That's so strange because I had the feeling, but I don't remember specific instances. So maybe I didn't wanna believe that you were being mean to be and I can disassociate pretty easily. So maybe even if it did happen like, you know, any sort of bullying or anything like that. Maybe like, no, she didn't really mean. I don't know. Nikki I want to take responsibility for what happened in our past. And being a little kid. Doesn't matter. The point is harmed you I'm really sorry. I did those things to you. Nikki. Okay. I didn't really know that was there. So. Wow. Okay. I think I just. I love you. And. I guess that was willing to just. Press. I just remember feeling. I don't remember specific things. So that actually have you say that things did happen between us it kind of it just brings everything brings everything together. I mean, we're both going through our own stuff as kids to we had tough childhoods. But that doesn't make it. Okay. You know? Are you? Okay. I didn't want to. As far as like digging deeper, I'm not afraid of that. So I appreciate it actually because just digging through your childhood can kind of see how the story's painted or how you become who you are. You know, do you want to keep talking about it? Maybe I can text you can set up a phone date to to do partout offline. I will love to. Yeah. I miss you so much. I miss you too. You know, heard you loud and clear and thank you so much for taking time in wanting wanted to talk through this love you. Still processing a product of the New York Times. It's produced by Nina potluck. 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Episode 12 - Small Business Interview Series - Zach Harmon of TRUSTRENGTH PERFORMANCE

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Episode 12 - Small Business Interview Series - Zach Harmon of TRUSTRENGTH PERFORMANCE

"You are listening to hold on. We got this year. Hosts Alison in Casey a husband and wife team Hortus, getting through life just like you are. His podcast is about life, marriage, business and. That's right. We know that life has its challenges and we just want to talk about it. We're hoping that we can tell you and that you will tell us to hold on because we've got this. Make sure you subscribe to our itunes channel at hold on Komo. We got this. Subscribe to Youtube at hold on. We got this and make sure to follow us on facebook at hold on. We got this pod and on Instagram at we got this pod. Hi everybody. This is allison. And this is Casey, episode of hold on. We got this this episode twelve and today, continuing our series on small business and focus on small businesses we are going to talk to is Zach Harmon true. Strength Fitness Yeah Zach is not only my and Allison's physical therapist. Zach is also a friend of mine He became a friend through being a patient so Zach Dr Physical Therapy and a strength coach He has enormous passion for the human performance and health as background is in athletics. And that was in football basketball. Track and martial arts. Also, he currently enjoys dabbling in local powerlifting. Olympic, lifting here in Denver are the Colorado region, and then Zach also has been published in research effort. The researcher he worked, he did in his school with regenerative medicine and rehabilitation. Zach grew up a strength and conditioning Jim because his father owned and operated one I believe that was for Collins if I'm not mistaken. He learned early on how to successfully coach mentor athletes to achieve their goals whether they were regular people wanting to get fit or collegiate or professional athletes wanting to compete at the highest level Zach coached and trained athletes for seven years before wanting to go back to school and learn more about physical therapy to be able to bridge the gap between medicine world in the fitness world. He specializes in helping people return to cross it Olympic lifting and powerlifting and any other strengths sport and I out for that personally Zach has worked with a wide array of athletic backgrounds, including arm wrestlers soccer. Soccer players, baseball, players and much more He also enjoys working with regular people who just want to improve their health and performance actually talk about a little bit in pack podcasts I. Yes, sure Zach currently uplands is experienced as a physical therapist strength, coach and athlete to create a treatment approach that still allows you to train and move while going through the process, which has benefited both of us. L. Made Immensely I'm actually super excited to talk to him because I'm excited to tell him all about how much my shoulder is feeling better and all my things whether it's a hip flexor. Elder neck all the thing. All the things we're excited for you guys to listen and we hope you enjoyed this episode of hold on. We got this started. All. Highs Zach. How are you? I'm good. How are you good? We're glad to have you on so happy to have you on. I'm happy to be here I'm very thankful. For, thank you so much. Yes, so We're GONNA jump right in Business. Your practice is called Truth Strength True Strength Performance. Is that right? That is right. And tell us kind of why you decided to go the route of having your own practice and being a small business owner versus. The more traditional route that you've talked about before you get out of college and you go and work for somebody. What got you wanting to start your own thing? Yeah, so? You know. My background, a little bit just so everyone knows so they can get understanding. Is that I was a strength coach prior to being a physical therapist, my dad owned and operated a gym when I was young, grew up working at the gym. just as the clean cleaning crew essentially. Since I was almost he started me when I was ten years of age working inside that Jim and then it just kind of you know evolved over time and work the front desk in that eventually became strength coach, and I did that for a while, and I was pretty happy, but wanted to know more and. So I had that little background just to give you a little bit there, so you'll understand why I wanted to start my own thing is. I cared a lot about outcomes. I really wanted to help. People move veteran feel better and I had already previously done that as a strength coach, so I had a certain standard going into physical therapy school and. I wanted to make sure that that was still upheld so the issue with. Being a medical provider these days, and it doesn't matter if you're a physical therapist, doesn't really You can be a physician. Were at the whim of insurance companies and their reimbursement rates. And What that means is that your quality as the consumer the patient? When efficiencies driven or productivity is driven really high, because reimbursements might be low, that means the doctor schedule doesn't matter or therapist schedule has to be maximized, and all that really means to you as individual is, it's going to really get to the point where you're only seen for a very small amount of time because they have so many other patients on their schedule, which ultimately drives the quality of your care down to the ground. It's also why you're starting to see why we can spend the most out of any country on healthcare, but we don't ranked number one in any category. Now you could argue there's it's multifaith story. I'm simplifying it, but I will let you know that that is part of the problem. Is that if doctors are? overworked with documentation in how many people they see, the quality of care is always gonNA. Go down. They're not gonNA be able to really individualize your care. Go Home, research things like they should in so when I got out of school. I already knew I didn't want to be in that kind of model I knew it was flawed from the get go even as a student because you get to do clinical rotations in. They're not very. They're not very enjoyable. You thought you got in for the right reasons, but you realize that you're not actually helping people that way wanted to in so right right from the get go. I wanted to start it, but I knew I didn't have the capital. Do so so. As, I got out I knew. I was going to start something different in I. Knew I didn't want to be part of of a system that doesn't help people but more. Masks, symptoms or you know almost treats them like. You know P factory mills when you just plug and Chug in, you just try to get twenty six or thirty people on someone's schedule. It's almost impossible I. don't even think I could give really good care in that system, so even if you are a good therapist, you're kinda doomed to not give great care, and then it Kinda makes them jaded. Make some burnt out and eventually either people quit, or they do what I did in in start something a on their own, so they can better care to their patients. Awesome yeah, that is awesome so Zach. I know you very well. From the PT. Perspective at least and we're and we're friends outside of outside that even but. One of the things that. Drew me to you because I have been through so many PT's as across bitter and had little to no results, and and after I met with you, and for twenty minute consultation that ended up going like an hour. And and literally you changed my. Athletic Life and My Life in general perspective on PT. There is a point with your shoulder where you were really contemplating surgery because you are nothing more. was working. There was a number of issues. Were there was really helping the core issue. Yeah, and so I mean I know. Is that kind of touched on things a little bit earlier, but you know there is a larger component I've referred. I don't even know how People Zach but there's a reason I do that and it's because I don't believe in the state of Colorado that there's another PT. That will give the quality of care and attention that Zach will and. You, thank you. Yeah. If you don't mind just kind of lab rating on that a little bit more because obviously I touched on it, but you know what does that look like because you talked about the factory? You know PD's. The chugging jug and Chug them out but you know if someone were to walk into your office. What would they expect? So! First thing you're going, it's going to be not your standard, clinic. That would be the first thing that it's GonNa. Come right at you. Is that only God? He's inside a gym. That's weird. Most be aren't side a gym, right? That's weird like. So. Where is he located in the gyms? And in? You know that's the probably the first thing that happens. They're like oh I hear him, but I don't. I can't see him whereas yet. So I would say the first thing is you're GONNA go? This is different. That would be the first thing. You'll probably experience other things that you're gonNA experience is that I don't have like a designated medical assistant. WHO's taking all my calls? WHO's scheduling me all out? Making sure? My schedule's like one hundred percent efficient in all that I really made its you know seamless with your ability to book yourself, so if you WANNA book out a fair amount of sessions online on your own, because we do live in a very tech savvy now it's easy to get on your phone in. Go on my website in schedule yourself or Get direct contact with me right through the website so that we can change Or anything like that in it also you can do it on your own right through the APP so. That supersede list to. Minimize the people that get. From our one on one care, so my goal is to make sure that me and you have as much time together. In that finances or any of the money issues that common play don't get in the way so I had to hire someone. You know for front desk and do all that. My overhead would be much more impossibly. Maybe I see people instead of for an hour I. See people for forty five minutes, so I can pay her salary. Right so so that stuff happens all the time, so you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA know, sign a low overhead kind of practice meaning I'm inside gyms, but I the way I operate is to keep overhead as low as possible but delivered, but where do spend money is on one all the things that make me good as a physical therapist. All the courses critical analysis stuff that comes into diagnosing someone I spend a ton of money on on the course work. And, then I'm also spending a ton of more money on some of the equipment that allow me to give you pain, relief or a better exercise equipment to allow you to get a better stimulus right all. That's where the money's going in terms of excess. Excess profits I make, but the that's the first thing that you're gonna rise everything centered around the patient, Not Insurance Company, so I always say this I've learned you know. I had a mentor course I took from Aaron the Bauer. Back in the day, when I was a new Grad to help me start my practices, he had he had a out of network practice. That didn't take insurance. In he always would say I I worked for patients. Not Insurance companies in totally wholeheartedly have taken that in really represented that in my practice. In from from keeping overhead low to investing in things that help them directly, and not necessarily like you'll see clinics all the time they'll have to invest in. You know more salary for the medical system, or maybe they have to have a better electronic medical record system that only works with reimbursement for blue cross, Blue Shield, better or how they ask, and then it all that takes all that takes away from the patient experience. Because now I might have to spend more time. Putting more documentation in with that type of Insurance which then that patient may have ten minutes less with me, 'cause. Maybe I'm on the computer while I talk to them about their exercise. It's never takes away from that experience, so you'll see that all the time I'm sure people even listening this right now have had pt experiences where their PT is seeing more than just them at one time and they're on their computer documenting right right. Which? Doesn't have that trust. That trust is violated. Yeah. and you also I've got a couple of follow up. So people who do have insurance they can just as easily access their insurance and the capability of their insurance pay of doing reimbursement. is so. It's not an unattainable thing for them. It's just not something that your office is focused on and having to turn these people in and out an answer to these ridiculous databases that each of the different. You know insurance companies make people run off of yeah. Yeah, so, can you talk a little bit about that? Like if a patient does come in, and they know that they want to use their insurance. Yeah, what would that look like? Yeah so? I'm an out of network provider meaning I'm I'm not in network with insurance companies in there, and and we kinda talked to why do that but what that really means for you is I do won't be able to take your insurance just in a different type of a format. So what say if you have out of network benefits in in if you would say, which is worst case, you don't have out of network benefits. And you come to your I. Really WanNa work with the I for good, but you know causes an issue right now, which in the current climate right now it probably is for a lot of people in, so they're like okay, while I'm like well, here's here's a way that we can make that work one. You you can submit this receipt that I give you two your insurance company. That that sometimes you'll get reimbursed back, but would say they say no. You can't get your reimbursement back. You don't have out of network benefits only counts toward your deductible. Long Story Short, you can still use health savings INFLEC- spending account with me. That's pre-tax dollars that you can use to spend on me. Another thing that I like to do in how I treat in general in I have like a little chart I give or a little info graphic I give out. Tell my patients is I'm actually not that much more expensive than it in. In clinic because I don't milk you visits. Every week, so if you're if you're willing to see me. Meet me a seamy once a week, or once every three or four weeks in. You're willing to do the homework that I give you an we video everything. Right video everything on everyone's phone. If they want to have the dose in and how do the exercise then we cannot, we don't. We can start the space. The visits in when I typically would see most people once every two or three weeks early on I might. Might see him once a week for for four weeks just to get him independent on everything in their pain managed, but most people's I actually did this recently I average for most people's injuries about eight visits. Six eight visits was typical, but eight visits was like a normal average for like a very you know even for some of these significant injuries eight visits. I would just space it out a lot differently in so. The cost was actually the same or sometimes less than someone who's in network, because if someone in network, let's say you have a seventy dollars co pay fifty dollars Copay with cigna or Blue Cross Blue Shield in the PT says we need to twice a week well. That's one hundred dollars a week. When I. IF I see you once a month, I'm one hundred dollars for sixty minutes one on one. Now you start to get an idea of Oh like. I can afford him, and I might even get some reimbursement out of this had out of network benefits. So that's usually the conversation I had with people about me. Don't take an insurance. It's not that I don't take it I just don't take directly. You can always submit it later to get some of that reimbursement back. Even have a third party APP on my website. That takes all that legwork out of it that they can Sit the receipt to. I mean I know. We have seen the value because Casey before he found went to. We have insurance through Kaiser. Kaiser does not do out of network, but Casey went into. See the P.. T. There for something I. Don't remember what it was maybe. I think it was where my broken finger right and it was pointless pointless and then I went and saw before. Before that even I went and saw another local. and. It was definitely a turn and burn kind of bt. Factory and I was like seriously. You just want me to rock my leg back and forth. And then I was like you know what there's this guy at the local gym. He's given free consultations. Script and like everything. You were interested in working on it. It's not like when I I come to see you. Zach and I have neck and shoulder issues, and it's not like when I come to see you for my neck. Your all. Your neck is the only thing we can work on not working on anything else. You look at the whole body. You talked to me and I know Casey about how the body connects. An everything is connected to the next thing, and so it has to be a full body treatment. It can't just be. Okay your neck hurts. Here's a few exercises to fix your knacker here some stretches or here's I need Here's this that that's nice. I was also going to add that I personally really also. In addition to what you were saying about, you know I'm not calling into an office and talking to your assistant. Who's then going to relate a message to you about a specific exercise I had a question on. It, if there's an issue with the treatment that I just came out of or I'm experiencing more pain than whatever I get direct access to you, which has been so helpful Cape Ann I one of the greatest things about Zach. Is I'll? I'll see him, and then like a week later or two weeks later, depending on the distance between appointments I. Get this random text. How are you feeling? Are You doing this survey? Oh what? What's what's the status and he really wants to know and then. And and basically yeah, based off the responses I give him. He's like okay. We're GONNA make these little adjustments and guess what he's not charging for that. He's you know. The value for him and for the patient is. Getting better. That's a very that I mean. That's a really smart business model because that keeps your customers definitely coming back. And it comes from a level of care right I mean. I mean no one really cares about what I know until I can show him. How much I CARE! Right I mean I would say most people's trust never gets no one's building trust by spewing their textbook to their patient. Right, it's it's when I do things that show that I really do care about them and I. Think the easiest way to show someone that you care about them is to do something that helps them, but with no financial benefit. Right with I I don't get any financial benefit from check in with you and tweaking. You're not directly right at least not directly right? You could argue that it builds trust in like indirectly doing all this, but directly that does not. If people were looking at numbers, I would be doing something completely for free for that right 'cause there's there's a subscription models that charged doctors charge people to have twenty four seven access in i. that's. That's never been my cup of tea. My Cup of tea is I really just want to get you better and I want to do that in the most most holistic way, so it doesn't come back, and that's what you were speaking to a little bit of with my business model is one when you come in I. Know that your neck in shoulder potentially wrist if you're doing front squats or some types of Olympic, listen cross. Linked in if I don't address your wrist, your elbow or your shoulder, whatever else is contributing to that neck? I'm probably leaving a lot on the table on taxi getting you to the long-term piece because you could. People say they want to get out of pain. That is one piece of Rehab puzzle, but what they really want is to pr jerk. If that's something that matters him, or maybe it's the hold their grandchild if they're if they're if they're a little bit older, they're that stage of life where. They're visiting their grandchildren lot and they wanNA. Throw them baseball, or maybe they want to throw them up in the air. That might matter to them right so if I get their shoulder pain, but they're still comes back when they throw their grandchild up. Did I really help them? That's an that's where I of come. With a different approaches like I. Really Want that long-term peace. Well, I. Mean You know again? Just self testimonial? Artisanal from me, is you know? Yeah, I I'm a great patient because I continually hurt other things. Back I did this LB you know, but there's. One patient in particular that comes to mind, and I am not that patient, but is I, forget her name, either like betty or socio pat. Yeah, she's got. She's okay with the talent talking about her story, but she's definitely an inspiration. Oh i. mean the first time I saw her and then the last time I saw her. In that wasn't. Roughly eight nine months apart night day and I'd love for you to. Just touch on her. Story Yeah Her story. Pretty unique. It's It's kind of the when. It's the power of trust in hope really is what this story is about. When when she came to me, she came to me in a wheelchair and. Nineteen Orthopedic Surgeries. She might correct me on that. Maybe it was twenty one, but. She. Also had Lupus and she's. In her mid seventies and She basically. Was told that. Hey, this is your second revision to your total knee replacement. She came to me with a total knee replacement. and. your life may just be different now you may be in this wheelchair or a Walker for the rest of your life in that just kind of how it is, and she came to me him. I've challenged that quite a bit I, said no, I think you're fully capable of walking independently without a assisted device and not only do that I think that I think if you're willing to meet me where where I wanNA take you. I think you can do things that you never thought you could do in. You probably haven't done since you were in your late thirties. And she she looked at me like I was crazy, right? She was like. Like who's this young? WHO's this young physical therapist? Just he doesn't always talking about. He's just young he doesn't you know as a practice long enough, right? That's a lot of the the saying. She gave me and she didn't want to trust me. I remember on her evil. She was so scared of falling. that. She didn't even WanNa stand with her feet together with an I just wanted to test rebounds with their feet together. She didn't WanNa do that. 'cause you terrified a falling. She looked at me like I'm not doing that. And I was like well. In order for us to make to that long term. Thing I was telling you about. You're going to have to trust me I'm not gonNA. Let you fall, so I need you to fail an easy to fall, and but I'll catch you. In That was our first experience with once I caught her. You know then there was a little bit of like okay. We'll see where this goes, but I mean she even came to me with like she. She had a tie her shoes with a special device. She had where it would reach down. She couldn't even get past. Her Shins in terms of reaching down her hips and knees in everything were so stiff, and now a lot of it was stiff because of fear. It wasn't even some of it wasn't orthopedic injuries. Some of it was some of it wasn't but some of it was. She was scared to re-injure it more therefore, she wasn't moving and then since she wasn't moving, she lost that range of motion even more. And so a lot of this was addressing the psychological component to Rehab. Which is the fear and You can't do that with fifteen minutes or five minutes or even twenty minutes, not even a half hour. I think and that's why I think a lot cheaper than the in-network guys because they only do half hours or twenty minutes. In order to address someone's fear. That's GONNA take ten more sessions to even get to where I might get in three sessions doing sixty minute treatments because now I can address that fear in really talk to them. Even further to then get to that next step so with her, I was able to do the minute treatments over and over and over over the course now she's been with me two years, but long story short. It started with baby steps and we've gotten all the way now she's. She's traveled to ice or she's traveled on the plane to Iceland by herself. She condemned with more than her body weight for five reps. she can squat independently in cross it for five rip She can do her favorite Max at one hundred thirty five pounds bear in mind. She is yet bear in mind. She is a hundred twenty. She's one hundred twenty, four twenty five ounce. Five, seven and five, six or five, seven and She came to me without even being able to walk in this all came through addressing nutritional concerns, addressing psychological concerns and addressing the actual Rehab. The physical the physiological concerns had for with when we address every single one of those, and then I got to got her eventually joined the gym the Cross with Jim. And she does like a lot. Of the cross gym workout gossip, but you also does some of their like a cross it light classes to. You combine that altogether in in the nutrition. She had definitely uptake increase protein intake. She needed A. She was not eating enough protein in you. Do it all together and all of a sudden. You have someone who doesn't even look. The same doesn't talk the same. She's way more confident in You can even see on instagram. There's a instagram page. There's her dead lifting trap are deadliest making it look easy to and it's just been really remarkable to see her go from not being able to Oh and by the way. She just told me this last week. She got off Quinnell 'cause she was on. For lupus! And she had no adverse flare ups of Lupus so she's got off most of a lot of her medications. Your, which is huge. You know we have been through. Through our business being shut down and just kind of sitting chilling at home for Covid. Casey and I've been doing a lot of work going back on our mental state in the psychology in like the psychosis of kind of where we are and so much of that work effects our body so much. We think about how strong we are. How we think about our pain. How We? How it manifest Ns, when will you know decks connective tissue right but? On the last time that I saw him. You know the ones connective tissue that that was leaving out. Was the one between my ears, yeah. And, that's a huge one which you've addressed psychological perspective. On session where we address just that because I. Think we need to address this I. Think this is playing a role. He literally didn't do anything physical. We just talked about my mental state. And that comes from a place sack of you yourself probably practicing and working on your mental state. So like what are some of the things that you do on a daily basis I? Know that you're a Wim Hof, student or Practiser because you turn Casey and I on to that but. Who Else Inspires you? What else inspires you to get that mental component for you your business and your ability to then that Yes oh, my where I come from with an insert like I'm am not a psychologist. I refer out the psychologists all the time. When it's beyond my capabilities, but when someone comes to me and I know. Some of my advice could potentially help them. Not I'm always going to share that. With you guys, I've shared some of the Wim hop stuff. That have tried before in the past. Because I'm always searching for that since I'm always searching for that long term, successful outcome for my for the people I want to help. I'm always finding that you cannot separate the minded body. It's impossible. We like to study it in isolation when we go to school, but it is not separate if anything, they're so intermingled that in order to help that shoulder pain to really maximize the healing that you could get out of it. You gotta address some of the some of the things that are like a blatantly obvious like if I hear someone who so chronically stressed, because of their corporate GIG, or or they're not sleeping. Sleeping, they're only sleeping five hours a night I'm going to say something about that. Because without that being addressed, I'm probably not going to help their shoulder pain because the recovery is so minimal that the amount of stress at their causing work in their workout is just tipping the scales of chronic issues in so I think a lot of people don't realize. Is that just being an American? You're probably stressed more than you realize. We work a lot. We don't recover as well in sleep. Is that low hanging fruit that people struggle with so right then alone we have to. We have to address the recovery component. 'cause people often think exercise since it's a mental distracter. Right, it distracts you from the stresses that you don't like, but we still you can't. Saul bad stress with good stress. Even though exercise can be a good stressor, it is still a stressor in so if you're tipping the scale. Yet exactly. What makes you stronger isn't the actual. Exercise actually damages you. It creates the stimulus for did potential muscle growth muscle recovery. You still gotta go recover hard and if you aren't recovering hard. Then you're, you're probably tipping your whole entire system into a state of chronic issues. Whether, that's chronic inflammation member that's causing disease states It could be anything right. Your. Hormones are going to be off and maybe thyroid issue. I mean if you stay in that realm of chronic stress too long so many different things can go wrong and I think with with a lot of my patients. I know that the shoulder pain is just one piece of the puzzle that I have to solve, but without me, solving the other issues I can't solve that shoulder pain, so that's usually what drove me to really addressing the mind body and I even my tagline right, says building true strength in in body and mind. That came from my my like dry to really get these improved outcomes, because you can't separate the two and with the Wim Hof stuff right I think often. People think of as just like breathing breathing cold exposure like you're an ice in this person's doing this. What they don't realize is like what why recommended. Wim Hof to you guys. Is You guys Your Business Owners? You're constantly trying to be improve yourself as business owners, so you're already going to be in in a in a stress state. In if you just try to get rid of that with exercise, that's probably not enough to help yourself in in I think often just. A little bit about women is that it's not necessarily the If anyone's a practitioner, it's the. It's the Para sympathetic part where you're holding your breath, so you hyperventilate and you might do that. New Breath, big breasts in and out in you trying to get to saturation, but I think where people even need even with their practice practices whether it's breathing, exercise is where's my recovery? The most will. You create stress with the hyperventilation, but it's the holding your breath in retaining that breath. That's Pera sympathetic. That's dampening. That's recovery component that you're. You're trying to get as much of so that you can dip into more that distressed recovery state that when you go into your next workout the next day or the day after maybe whim. Hof has gotten you to a point where you're more normal so then you can tolerate the stresses of your exercise the next day. I the Yes exactly and then you're you're you're exposing yourself to excess stressor such as cold, but then it's still can breathe calmly in that Cole that's right. A CHALLENGE Because if you just if you just get all, you know short breaths and you're going like that. You're just in a stress state. You're just again. You're trying to solve A. Trying to have stress, salt stress right even though you're trying to do women off, which is a good goal, but if you're practicing in a way where you're not able to breed calmly in that stress state, you're probably not able to be more resilient in NB more in that recovery state so. It's all about how you practice to. In that comes to exercise, that comes to how you move and all that other things, but it's important to think about that recovery component when it comes to recovering from an injury or any of that, and that's how I approach my businesses I gotta I gotTa address both the body and mind. It's so funny because of just before like. Kobe started and everything. I was seeing you for my shoulder and I, wasn't you? It was every time I would leave. You would feel better, but then it would start to hurt again. In the fact of the matter was is that. I knew that there was an underlying issue of stress that just wasn't being quelled and wasn't being out with and the time away from business. We've talked about this on our podcast throughout the re, the previous recordings, but It's really afforded Casey and I an opportunity to to dive deep into what's happening in our brains. What is happening with our stress? And what component are we not? Physically see or feel. That is affecting our inability to fully healed from a hint, an injury and I I can't even tell you like. My shoulder feels so much better than almost motion so awesome. Football the Zach. And you know what I know. This is a little off topic, but like we should dive in a little bit because I think. I learned this, too with the quarantine so I was trying to grow. I want to talk a little bit about the good things about business, but let's talk about some of the unintended consequences that happened when you start small business like. I think I think that needs to be talked about because everyone talks about the glory of owning a business in it's what's what's the nitty gritty of what happens from a health standpoint? Why we to while because that was literally going to be our next question, you mine. Yeah talk about that a little bit. The things that go wrong that Dr not glamorous and kind of actually I mean you're in such a perfect position because you are. You're to physically help people's bodies, and yet you will frequently have your own issues physically because of business dress so talked about that, so if since at for anyone who is listening that doesn't know me personally. I like to do crossword, but I've also dabbled a lot in powerlifting. As of late in I like to compete at powerlifting. In I try to run, you know I wanted to compete at a pretty high level. Although, they were local competitions I. Do not in will not say I'm even remotely close anyone who's a Lee powerlifting, but I will say I can I compete locally in. That's still a stressor, and then I was trying to run the business and grow that and try to get you know, obviously start fulltime staff and get it operational scaling wise so that I don't have to work these many hours for the rest of my life so long story short when you're working in that grind mode. On the small business starting. One your stress because you don't know if it's GonNa work in and you have a good idea what you should do, but you never know what the demand is going to be for your product, so you are constantly in a state of doubt, and then and then you know I got this. Oh, no doubt I got this. Oh, doubt you're going back and forth back and forth constantly which kind of a roller coaster emotionally? And so with that emotional roller coaster comes a lot of changes in hormone changes in chemicals changes in cortisol changes in Adrenalin. And bodies don't like when you spike up and down injuries don't like when you spike volume up and down if you haven't squatted in a long period of time, and then you decide the squat heavy for one rep Max when you haven't pressured body to do that, you will get an injury to same can be said when we are spiking, are hormones and chemicals in our blood up and down up and down up and down. We usually will. Either one have more pain on a physical issue like a shoulder now 'cause we have more chemical chemicals in our blood that might lead to more inflammatory processes, or maybe we don't sleep as well. Maybe we have more cores on our blood, and we're not getting much deep sleep and. Now, I'm not able to get into deep sleep recovery. All of a sudden. My shoulder hurts more because now. Every workout is more beating me up because I'm not I'm not getting the sleep I need to do. In so long story short, the the unintended concert owning a business I can personally say I've had I started to get elevated blood pressure. Even though I'm. If you look at me, I'm pretty fit. I eat really well. And in. My blood work looks pretty normal like if you look at my blood work, everything's pretty normal. Other than vitamin D I had a metabolical. Yeah Yeah metabolic. Panel done in everything checked out mitee. S. H. was normal for their standards, but I was reading into it more off. Say it was a little high so what it was telling me something was going on. Probably there with my sleep with my hormones in need to address that, and that was probably the thing that was leading to my elevated blood pressure, but what I started tracking my blood pressure in. It was already elevated prior to quarantine, and then right has quarantine hit. It started the spike again. Start getting into one thirty two over eighty five range. It would fluctuate on days. I got good sleep on days I was not stress in I started having decent business, it would drop back down to one nineteen over seventy three. It was very fluctuating up and down. and. That is the unintended consequences owning small businesses is. More stressful than not owning your small business and you better have what it really led me to think is. When I am at home and I'm able to spend time with my wife. I'm able to take my dog for a walk right after I see patients right I might see couple patients on telehealth in maybe one in person in my garage Tim, and then all of a sudden I can go inside. I don't have to I didn't have to do anything for the weekend I. Can just go in. Make lunch then take my dog for a walk. Then go back the patient care. There's a certain amount of. Less stress there. In this quarantine, which then has decreased my blood pressure I'm back to more normal and. What it was telling you. What was telling you was okay? Even your normal was chronic stress, so you convinced yourself? That your normal everyday with coffee in the morning to deal with your sleep, deprivation was. You eventually convince yourself because it was so chronic like that that that was your normal so I was like. Oh, I feel okay. Right. I was like I. If you ask me how thought. I feel pretty normal, but my normal. Now that I know with a quarantine how I feel now. Yes is Oh my God that was not normal. Oh my God, it was not an and I can tell you from a patient standpoint. I've seen this in my patients. I, would tell them. That's neutral spine. That's where I want your body to be in when you're doing established that will look at me and be like that's rounded and know that straight the bike. None of that's rounded back. No, no the other way you're doing. It was really extended. And the by. Like. You've been doing it for so long. That's what your body thinks is normal. Right and so yeah, go ahead. That's so important. I mean we've When we get into a pattern, we get into a study state of being our mind just goes ahead and does the things it needs to do. Because it's in the pattern. Sometimes a paradigm shift such as quarantine where the government like. NOPE, you're not going to do anything that you were normally doing it. It forces you into change okay. Normal. What is an I hate the term new normal because I certainly don't want. Normalize the existence that we're in right now. I don't think it's sustainable, but I do love I love an opportunity for Change and I love paradigm shifts because we don't give it to ourselves, it happens, and we adapt to it or we don't talk to me a little bit more about how the quarantine and shutdown has affected your business, because even though you are considered an essential. Still has affected your. Yeah. So talk to me a little bit talk. Show us a little bit about that. Yes, so. I would say you know right off the bat when it when it. When we had to stay at home, you know my case load went down fifty fifty percent. Right off the bat. Whether it was either because you know they were scared to leave, or you know or they didn't see the value in Telehealth, right? It took me about a week to get telehealth operational. And so I could see people virtually, but again. A lot of people would want that like interaction. They would want that hands on treatment or They're now there are about fifty percent of people who just wanted to exercise progressions in the education and all that network fine, but. Another fifty percent wants the interaction with me. Two Hell therapy. They want the. They want the physical presence of me. They want the. The demonstrations the hands on, hold it here. They also want the manual therapy right so if you were doing there a lot of pain. Maybe they wanted more hands on to dampen that pain response. Maybe it's some dryly. Maybe it's this but obviously fifty percent reduction right right off the bat. And even though I was essential, and I could say that some of my patients I should see. I was still not allow, and so I took it upon myself to not see people who are high risk, and I considered anyone high risk, even if they were healthy above the age of sixty five. And I just didn't see them. I said Hey. If you can do virtual, tell or you can wait until this all cleared up, but I won't see him person. I know that sucks and I'm I'm sorry that have to do that, but it just irresponsible for both of us. Do something like that and. Go heading agree it's it's. It's really it's. It's a difficult situation. You know for patients and for you to. Know. They make sure that they feel like they're getting the care that they need. In the new battles a provide that care. and Bill or at least be able to convince them that you can do that. Virtually you know it's, it's A. It's a very fine Line. Yeah so is that what is your you know we've been? We had the plan to ask everybody what their ideal reopening is and I. think that's a good question for you, but more so from the standpoint of that business owner. How do you and we've been contemplating this case and I? We talk about it on our walks every day. Every day. How do we carry forth this sense? This sense of relaxation and the positive change that quarantine has brought us this ability to separate business from life and the. Ability to walk your dogs and you know. Are you going to go back to that meal prepping and having to show up to the gym so in your ideal world? What does what does your new normal once quarantine is over. We've got a vaccine. People are really confident. What does that look like for you? Yeah, this is This is going to get a little like personal opinion. I couldn't tell you specific that everyone should do this, but I will say this I will say the current. I do not want it to go back in for anyone to want. Our society to go back to what it was? Is it seeing the big picture that it was unsustainable? the way we were growing. From an economic standpoint I'm not one hundred percent clear that that was sustainable now do we want to grow? Still sure we still want to have good livelihoods WANNA provide economic benefits for the rest of a society, but the way we were going four. was causing a lot of health issues in disease in America, which is why we probably have such a significant death toll in the first place. We're not healthy. Yeah nobody. Systems here. No one talks about so. Wore not healthy as a country. Probably because of what we were talking about before of being just a small business owner one. We're GONNA. You're going to see. It played out in small business owners more because we want to achieve a lot. We have goals. We had ambitions, which is gonNA, cause excessive stress on that individual to achieve those, but then just from an employee standpoint. You have productivity standards. You have deadlines. You have all kinds of stuff that you have to achieve and you don't. Don't get that much time off. Some a lot of people are getting only two weeks off paid vacation in and a lot of them are commuting hours each way or half hour or forty five minutes to their job, which is lost time in that's less time with the things that fill their cup up which would be family time, which would be hanging out with their dog, which would be hanging out relaxing, being able to breathe and not think about work, right? Wish. Then let your system normalize again and go back to these healthy states so I, don't I'll say the straight up? I do not want it to go back. In how why? And how I plan on dealing with that from a owner, standpoint is I'm going to have to find ways to help more people from my house in, so how I would do that is I still WanNa do inpatient care but I do plan on trying going forward to do more telehealth in Rehab products going online where I do. Hey you, it'll be like fixture front rack. You have a four week program for fifty bucks. Oh you have a significant knee injury that needs to be diagnosed. You would do a full eve. ow, for you know one hundred fifty bucks, and then I would recommend a product that I. offer a need I would I would say I have a bunch of new programs in. It'd be like Oh. This is for like telephone, or maybe this is for this type of pain, but maybe I have like a twelve sixteen to twenty week, program for two hundred Bucks for twelve, two, hundred, fifty, or three hundred. I'm just making numbers up But. Let's say you do the Vowel, and then you would do that long program, and then it would be also like hey, if you just WanNa work with me, a couple sessions virtually, but long story short. I want to figure out how to still replicate good-quality Rehab, and I know it's not gonna be the same as in person, but I can help a lot of people with how I look at things in how I tried to serve as people. In I could do it in a virtual way will be exactly the same as million personal, but pretty good, and then if I could start to put that online, maybe I can reduce the amount of hours I. See People Trading time for money. Where see one on one like that, and then now all of a sudden, maybe I'm only maybe the product. Gives me some of that more of that time back. Were maybe I'm making some money and I'm only working you normal a normal forty hours a week versus. Fifty or sixty that I was currently doing. Well. You know the wave of the future I mean I. Know this is this fact is stressing a lot of gym. Owners out due to coronavirus is that people are building home gyms and then they're finding online programming, yes? Themselves because the online programmers I do online programming yourself and so you know it's you get everything you need from it if you have access to the equipment that is required. Yeah the Linas, we've really experiencing a European lifestyle as much as Americans can experiencing. No wonder they have better health biomarkers than us now we understand why. Because we're experiencing the equivalent of a four day workweek where experiencing rest time in our workday, we're experiencing opportunities to do yoga to do exercises that will. Connect with. The fact that people say Americans are lazy. is so disconnected. It's so disconnected. We're lazy in a totally different way. We're lazy with taking care. Doesn't make sense from a health standpoint. If you have an, it doesn't matter if human or an animal if that animal is in a chronic state of stress, or it's running from something, and you're going to ask it to do it extra outside of running from something, so if our work is creating so much stress in us that releasing the same amount of stress hormones as if he were running from a lion. And we did that chronically. You think we'd have any energy leftover to go workout or take care of ourselves. Now Hell no n when we were hurting ourselves. Exactly, because now, you're not recovered. Right So you had A. So. We're getting a little close to the wrap-up Zach. So I want to ask you a more of a broader question philosophically speaking, how would you? You Zach Arman defined success. I would define success as For me personally it would be. Being able to. Explore and, develop. My. What I'm capable of as a human in all aspects. And I really want to really the other word that comes to mind is I. Want to stay curious about life. In exploring in seeing the development of myself on all aspects. In in in in Achieving There's no destination on that. It's just. Did I explore. It ended I. See developed to a level that I really wanted to do, and if I if I can say at the end of the day on that than I would say that I'm success. One and I don't mean that from a business standpoint. I mean that from a relationship standpoint I mean that from. In, that's the hard thing is that success is really balancing that out? How do I do that in a way that I'm happy in all aspects? And that's that's. That's GONNA. Take a lifetime the figure out. Yeah, I love that answer, great answer. Okay, very last question. Our podcast is titled Hold On. We got this and we did that. It was born from a place of Casey. Ni- enjoy the struggle and the success of life as equally, and we noticed so many times in our life. Where we go, hold on. We got this like there's nothing to worry about because we can overcome their so in your experience. Can you think of a time? Where you said to yourself, hold on I got this. Yeah what comes to mind. Right off the bat is. There was a time when I was a student. Physical Therapist and I was very concerned obviously to make sure I do a good job I wanted to impress. My clinical instructor impressed the patient. All of a sudden You know I'm I'm probably a couple of weeks in maybe like four or five weeks in. And you know. My clinical instructor was great at The Times name was Dan Pope He was Kinda my mentor, but he looks at me like yeah, you got like we got a full schedule. Don't worry about it like you're gonNA. Be Fine. I saw that as my schedule go from like I was only seeing I'd always see people with him, or I would see a couple on my own. And all of a sudden it went from that to double or more that I was responsible for. And and it was a little early like no normally I was hearing other students at the time. You, know maybe they would get a full schedule later on in their clinical rotation, so I was like freaking out I was like I can't do this this. This is going to go terrible. I don't know how to treat all those knee pains I. Don't know how to treat all the ankle. Pains like I'm I'm so I don't have this right. And I ended up going home. and. It's shocking. This is I sat there and I kinda just like. Most meditated breathing right I was in the Niger started thinking about all the Times that. In sports or in other aspects of my life where I was, it didn't look like it was like it was impossible in somehow I pulled it off in. Then you know after you have a couple of those memories, come in all of a sudden. My Dad's voice POPs in my head in his like. Zach is long as long as you're committed. You can do anything. In that's when I kind of. Do a couple of breasts thinking about all that I was able to get to the point where I was like oh I, can do this I got this. Like. Yeah, I can totally do this. It's just you'd never done it before. So, what do you got you got? You even have support, so we definitely got this so. But I remember that initial dread right? The dreaded like Oh my God I'm not GonNa be able to do this and I think that's the the essence of of being a small business owner, or even if you concentrate challenging yourself, right, you're gonNA. It's all doubts. Always GonNa be there. It's. It's how you get. It's how it's how you can kinda talk to yourself. That's inner dialogue. You have that makes you either fail complete in you. Give up, or you kind of get back on it and you see what you're capable of. And when you define success through personal growth, and you define success through. Of curiosity and constant curiosity, and wonder about life, those moments those defining moments of I feel dread and I feel doom and I feel scared and your moment of going hold on a second. Let me show myself the twenty million times already that I have been able to come out of something I was afraid of that. That is where that comes I mean. It comes into play so clearly in those moments because you are somebody who looks at success in growth, and so another challenge is just another opportunity to grow and feel at beautiful success, you know. Well we are so glad we got to have you on for having me I. Really appreciate it. Yeah and we're going to go ahead and link. Your website and Instagram your. We'll link everything into this episode. You'll be in specific chapters, but also in the description and that way people can find you. And then just really quickly. Are there any other any other things that you would want? Our listeners know or or maybe organizations that you are supporting? You. Good donations should go to. Even Organization. You have for your business or any. So One thing that would be. One thing I want to give a little attention to before we end the podcast is. I I work inside cross gyms. I want support them as much as I can. Now you were alluding to it a little bit. Casey I do think there's GonNa be a population of people who have garage Jim's resume programming online, but there's going to be another population of people who need that social aspect that social community I don't personally I don't always have to have that. Which is why I have? Have a garage him so I WANNA make my set up very convenient in. It makes it easier for me, but there's GonNa. Be Tons of people who really benefit from that and I think that's where I wanNA. Give a shout out to these gyms because I do think they're great gyms to be a part of especially if you're looking for a community that supports you. So some of these gyms across reserve, a method Crawford Crawford Watch tower across Deco across seven, two zero across Jj across a Colefax a lot of those gyms I. I've worked with in. I would just love to get a shadow because They're going to need that support going forward especially. With the current climate the way it is and I would love to know more about them You're kind of directly or indirectly supporting me to because I'm. I'm closely related to them so I do want to bring a little attention there in Pat, yeah, that would be great for people to just kind of hop on and take a look at those gyms and I've been personally connected to a few of those gems and you know as a coach and or a member and. Support your local box. Yeah, yeah, I. I can't emphasize that enough and even drop INS are so helpful to these gyms, especially as their opening up, and they have the capacity to hold enough people in your feeling, safe listeners. If you're feeling safe, you know, go do drop INS. politically have a trained at and worked out at Cross verve Crosstrek. Cross Adecco, and we'd love those gems. They have wonderful coaches. Owners but every other Jim that you mentioned Zach. We Casey No, so many of them to. It they're such great owners, and they really care about the definition of small business. Yeah, exactly. They care so much about their athletes in the fitness and the stress, their coaches, and the the surrounding community to i. mean across the gyms literally Oh you know have communities, and then they are part of the community right, and it is not an so many people are afraid of cross it because they're like. Oh, it's just a bunch of meat heads who like know what they're doing, but it is every shaver size. Every age I mean. You're Casey's mother. Still just crossing. Yes, exactly. Is for everyone in. It's for every ability, and there's always modifications, so yeah hit. Those gyms will link all of those gyms. You mentioned so that they can get some access to their websites or instagram. Whatever whatever abilities they have like. We'll look at all their stuff. Thank you again so much. Guys. Really appreciate it I always learn something new every time I talked to you and I really do appreciate that yeah. Thank you. Yeah, this is then hold on. We office and thank you again. Zach Harmon with true strength performance.

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