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Introducing Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

00:33 sec | 11 months ago

Introducing Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

"The impeachment of Donald Trump will dominate the headlines for months to come. I'm Brian Boiler and Rubicon. I'll be your weekly guide through developments in the impeachment fight.

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The Dodge

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

28:56 min | 10 months ago

The Dodge

"Saudi Arabia pays cash director. Molly isn't it fair to say that the president is written answers not only inadequate and incomplete because he he didn't answer many of your questions where he did his answer show that he wasn't always being truthful I would say generally Saudi Arabia and I get along great with all of they buy it from me. Spend forty million fifty million my supposed to dislike them. I like them very much. The articles of impeachment against Donald Trump charge him with abuse of power and Instruction and if anything is true in life Donald Trump has abused his power and obstructed everything that's threatened his grip on power indeed abuse power and obstruction are frameworks at Congress could use to impeach Donald Trump for most most of the impeachable offenses. He's committed at least in theory in practice. The House of Representatives has chosen to impeach Donald Trump for only the most immediate abuses of power and acts of obstruction before them. President trump solicited a foreign nation Ukraine to publicly announce investigations into his his opponent and a baseless conspiracy theory promoted by Russia to help his reelection campaign. President trump abuse the power of his office by conditioning to official acts to get Ukraine to help his reelection the release of hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid that nation desperately desperately needed and a White House meeting with an ally trying to fend off Russian aggression in so doing he undermined our national security already and jeopardized the integrity of our next election. The evidence is every bit as strong that President Trump has obstructed congress fully without precedent and and without basis in law. If allowed to stand it would decimate Congress's ability to conduct oversight of this president or any other in the future leaving this president and those who follow to be free to be as corrupt malfeasance or incompetent as they would like with no prospect suspect discovery or accountability. What does this leave out unless you think? Trump betrayed his oath of office for the first time earlier this year it leaves out the vast majority Jordy of his high crimes and misdemeanors remember. Trump ran for president promising to commit war crimes and order the Justice Department to investigate his political enemies. He's and he's kept his promise. He continues to use his private businesses to solicit bribes and otherwise profit from the presidency when his illegal conduct has caught the eye of prosecutors. He's obstructed their criminal investigations. Consider this hours after house. Democrats it's introduced articles of impeachment. The government revealed that someone had offered one of trump's top campaign aides rick gates cold hard cash not to cooperate with special counsel Robert. Muller one minute we learn trump will not be charged with bribery or obstruction of justice. The next we learn someone in his his orbit bribed a witness to obstruct justice and yet Rick Gates has not been called to testify. Meanwhile while House Democrats gear up to impeach the third president in US history they also cut a deal with him a deal to modernized Nafta the same free trade agreement he. He ran against to appeal to working class. Voters in the Midwest in the criminal justice system prosecutors normally charge defendants with crimes. Only when they're near certain that juries aries will agree with them and as it happens the Ukraine shakedown and cover up may be the most cut and dry crime trump has ever been caught committing. He had the motive means and opportunity and Democrats. Have the evidence but impeachment isn't criminal justice and as long as Republicans remained lashed to trump. It isn't really a system of justice at all. It's a bully pulpit for exposing corrupt President and those who seek to keep him in power despite all of his crimes. So why are Democrats doing this. And what should those of us who fear the consequences of accommodating on authoritarian president. Do Response. This week I'll discuss those questions nations with Michelle Goldberg a New York Times columnist and Co host of the podcast. The argument and we'll look ahead to what's next in the incredible shrinking impeachment of Donald Trump. Yep I'm Brian Butler and this is Rubicon hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go. We're hiring is simple fast. And smart and growing businesses connect to qualified candidates CAFE ALTRUISM CO DYLAN MOSKOWITZ experienced. 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That's ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM slash R U B C Michelle Goldberg welcomed Rubicon. Hey thank you for having me. So we're recording. This perhaps a few hours before Democrats on the Judiciary Committee finalize the articles of impeachment against Donald Trump and send them to the full House so on the one hand that's obviously a very mentors thing But as I kind of alluded to in the introduction. These aren't exactly the circumstances. A lot of impeachment supporters orders had in mind when the inquiry began. So I guess I wanted to start by just asking you where where your head is at as we approach the end of the house side of the impeachment process. Are these two articles of impeachment enough. I would say I'm in as dark places I've been anytime in the last three years You know I'm glad that the House is finally impeaching. I've been calling for impeachment for a long time. I think that two articles of impeachment that can pass. The full House are better than you know a broader impeachment that would be at risk of failing if some moderate members get cold feet. But but it just seems like a big big mistake to at least to me to have rush this through and then turn it over to Mitch McConnell who you can both set the rules and try to shut it down as quickly as possible You know all the days. When Colonel Vin men and Fiona if you own a hill and the various other diplomats and national security officials who are testifying about precisely what trump did in Ukraine? Those were good days for the Democratic Party. I think any day any day that you have a hearing with factual evidence in fact witnesses testifying to the depth of this administration's corruption on all of the major TV networks. That's a good day for the country and sort of why. The Democratic Party wanted to limit. That is something that you know even after talking to kind of savvy people who understand the politics of this and are worried about these front-line districts. I still don't quite understand it. Yeah I I feel very much the same way you know. We talked to my last I episode with Matt Miller about this idea that you know Nancy Pelosi. Donald Trump can't both be right about what's in Donald Trump's best interest but they both both agree that the impeachment inquiry should be drawn to a close and I just eat there. There was nothing that happened from the beginning. Beginning of the inquiry to the end of those hearings that should have spooked anybody in the Democratic Party that this was going to hurt their individual political standing and then just to as as a matter of what somebody like Donald Trump deserves is. Is that kind of colonoscopy you know just put everyone everyone who can attest to How how low of a person he is behind the scenes on a witness stand and just make them talk and I still have a hard time understanding? Why why? There's any urgency at all among any of the members the Democratic Caucus About letting a process like that play out for another several weeks You tweeted something. And just a couple of days ago that resonated with me on number of levels and I and I understand you have a piece coming about it coming out in a couple of days you wrote. I've read about climate grief. The despair felt by climate. Scientists watching helplessly as something. Precious and irreplaceable is destroyed. Lately I'm experiencing democracy grief I'm wondering to what extent you were lamenting the rise of anti democracy forces here and around the world into what extent That was a comment about the way pro democracy institutions leaders etc.. Have responded to that. Well I mean I think that they're interrelated you know part of what's what's sometimes they feel like we're living in a time where you have the rise of the Axis powers and no allies right. You don't really have any strong defenders of democracy anywhere as you know as much as I might admire Uncle Merckel and Justin Trudeau. And I you know I was also I was thinking about the fact that you see over and over again Democrats Including me at the beginning being sort of baffled that Republicans have been so quick to align themselves with Russia to repeat Russian propaganda about Ukraine to accept Russian intervention in the election. And it occurred occurred to me that you know for most of you know certainly for most of our lifetime before a lifetime. The United States and Russia were engaged in an ideological vehicle conflict right I it was liberal. Democracy versus communism than it was liberal democracy verses authoritarian kleptocracy and in both cases each side was very interested in kind of showing that its model worked and the other one didn't write this one of the reasons that all of them so many any of the Democratic accomplishments of the twentieth century or possible because it was still possible to shame. The United States for the distance between its democratic aspirations are democratic ideals and what the society itself look like an often it was. Because we'll you know we're in this contest. We have to show that we are better than that. So that people aren't attracted to this other sort of model and make sense that Republicans would not feel any conflict conflict with Russia anymore because there there really isn't any ideological distance right. They're both on the side of authoritarian kleptocracy of using you know kind of reactionary populist social politics you know about kind of women and gay rights and you know kind. Ah Reinstating Patriarchy right. They are basically on the same side against the Liberal Democrats. And so there's no reason to expect any sort of I don't know there's no reason to expect anymore them to show any sort of national solidarity with with the rest of us and I think we saw that during these hearings during the Judiciary Committee hearings on impeachment. We saw it with bill bars. Recent Jason Interview. There is no. It's no longer possible to have any sort of communication with people who are not interested in convincing. They're not interested in making an argument. They're only interested in obstacle obfuscating and in kind of demoralizing their opponents. It's and in kind of undermining any shared conception of of reality and it just strikes me that Democrats yeah. I know. It's I'm torn a little bit because I feel like liberals who are frustrated and scared and it's always tempting to take it out on Democrats Democrats say that. They're they're not doing enough when it's not always clear what exactly they should be doing. But I do think that we don't have that that our side continually under reacts to what we're facing see that's what you just just said his exactly where my mind went when I when I saw what you wrote it to me. It was a it was a tweet about a lot of things or appoint about a lot of things but it was also point about impeachment. You know you have this. President who has tried to sort of forged. This international alliance of ethnic corrupt nationalist governments and the Republican Party has trip basically assented to it and then And then separately you have The the matter. That's that's under investigation in the impeachment inquiry which is You know this abuse of power art extort Ukraine to help Donald Trump in the election. But you know Nancy Pelosi frequently tries to link these two things right she this all goes back to to Russia with with you And and you know. She's she's obviously right as illustrated by the fact that you know yesterday. A while trump is a democrat drawing articles of impeachment pertaining to trump denying the Ukraine president An Oval Office visit. He's he's he's bringing the Russian Foreign Minister into the Oval Office which is weird on so many levels Because you know. The president doesn't normally fete top diplomat meet with foreign leaders at the Oval Office and last time he brought Sergey Lavrov the Foreign Minister into the Oval Office. Is he absolved him of of meddling in the two thousand sixteen election. There's just there's all this rich corroborating reading it's almost like trump is like dangling in front of our faces I would say it feels like he's rubbing our faces in it right exactly like an and the in my mind the obvious response that is like okay. We're we're going to keep going then you know if if if what you're saying is that you're completely on chastened the your rubbing it in our faces that a not only you're gonNA get away with this be you missed the bigger story and the bigger story continues in the White House today. Then then why why not Make that the centerpiece of a new round of investigation And not only because it's what he deserves but it's because what fighting to win this fight between the the international consortium of of corrupt ethnic nationalist and liberal democracy needs. It's it's like the two things are inextricably linked and I felt the same sort of democracy grief that you alluded to when all of that played out on on Tuesday. And can I say something quickly you know. I was in Ukraine Ukraine a couple of months ago and one of the kind of heartbreaking things about what's going on in Kiev right now is that you. I can't think of a country that is kind of more idealistic about Western style. Liberal democracy then key right because you know unlike say some of the countries of the eastern bloc they thrown off thrown off Russian domination relatively recently right so they're still in this stage where they're really excited needed about Europe's who really excited about you know they have this parliament full of really young people. They're excited about the fact that they eliminated nationalities finalities on people's Passports you know that they have this kind of American conception almost of Ukrainian them and it's almost like they're are you know they're they're ten years too late because there's just the the forces that used to be there to bolster that kind of nascent. Democratic idealism have just have just collapsed and again I still am finding this really hard to process because the the analogy to climate grief. Is You know it's more. The analogy isn't just the grief. It's you know liberal. Democracy has been the climate that we've lived fin for almost our entire lives right. It's sort of was the air we breathe and it had never really occurred to me that I could see it. You know deteriorate to the appointive disappearing in my lifetime or that. My children wouldn't be able to grow up in the kind of country that I'd always taken for granted I mean and it's just the scale of the loss to me is so disproportionate to the scale of the political cool response and I think that's where so much of the frustration comes in. Yeah I I strongly agree with with the sentiment that you're expressing right now And there's all these corrupt things happening that ought to be. I think Part of the impeachment inquiry but the sort of international realignment nine mint like if if if the United States is going to become part of an axis of authoritarian countries. Then that could happen an in a In a process that is in and of itself sort of above board in a way where. It's like really something that we should fight out in an election if we can have a free and unfair election but it's something that ought to be fought just as hard even if you can't really do it in an impeachment Which is why I wanted to talk to you? About where the The United States Mexico Canada agreement that the Democrats announced they were going to pass fits into. So you're thinking about everything that we're talking about. Well you know it's interesting because I think like you. I was initially kind of gobsmacked like what on Earth are Democrats doing giving in trump a victory on the same day that a are announcing articles of impeachment. Right I mean it's just this desire to appear her by partisan for which as far as I can see. I don't see where they are getting any sort of credit for that But it's you know again. I don't doubt that there are districts whose politics Nancy Pelosi understands far far better than I do and so you know I think she certainly understands better than I do how to maintain a democratic majority in the house but I have had conversations with with democratic aides. That have made me think that they are just not seeing the broader national politics. You know one democratic aide was saying came to me. What what they've later you know? It's been reported that Nancy Pelosi said we'll look we're able to eat their lunch and we were able to extract all these concessions and there was a piece recently in the Washington Post. That had a lot of Republican. Senators can have grumbling about what they were being forced to suck up. Because this is probably not a deal they would've would've accepted From anybody except for Donald Trump so in that sense I understand why this is a deal that Pelosi would take but then the politics of it is to say trump got rolled. Because he's weak right. It's not to say look at. All of these policy wins that we got an expect people all to be able to put those into context. I would feel much better about about the politics of this and obviously you know the deals. If if she really wants to deal to be done I guess that kind of rubbing it in trump's face has to wait until it's the deal is consummated right or else or else kind of falls falls apart. If if I had the sense that that's how Democrats were going a message that they were gonNA message it aggressively. I'd feel better about things because in the in the in the current climate where it's just you know we need to prove that these frontline members can quote unquote walk and Chew Gum at the same time. Is You have this terrible rebel forest for the trees policy which is like to save these district. We need to show that they can get things done in Washington but if you if you if you draw the like that like the fallacy is pretty obvious there right okay. So why don't they just pass everything that Donald Trump wants. It'll prove that they can get things done. Of course that means Donald Trump will become more popular and suddenly their ability to hold on to their districts. Democrats ability to hold the House Democrats ability to beat trump in the election and starts deteriorating right so like at some level down to how much of an emergency do you think we're in right and the frustration. Is that Pelosi and some of these other Democrats crats are not treating this like it's sufficient emergency right. It's an it is to my mind and emergency that overrides. All other policy goals right. We have eleven eleven months to decide whether we're going to continue to be a liberal democracy or not and whether or not you got a better deal in prescription drug prices the prescription drug prices are really important. But they're actually not as important as that. Yeah so I I actually think about this in almost the exact same way is that if Democrats rats are going to like cut if they're going to quote cut deals with trump They really ought to be a one shot deal. You're not gonNA have a second. The second chance to to get this done. That really advanced the ball on some progressive goal and They should also be issues issues. Sort of code as a Democratic Party issues so like I traced out a hypothetical that if trump were willing to pair a big minimum wage hike. Fifteen dollars minimum wage. Whatever in order to get this trade deal done like I'd probably get there? I think that that ends. You know you you get so much out of it that it might be worth it. And it's clear that trump gave some to get some and so it's not just a a straight victory for him but if you don't have that kind of You know situation at hand If the benefits are marginal or if you think that future Democratic president can do as well or better than you just don't do it right like this is not cutting the same trade deal with Mitt Romney it would be totally unremarkable of Democrats. were making this deal with Mitt Romney But in a world with democracy under threat and the US president is the single biggest part of that threat then handing him easily spun on victories. That validate key parts of his message. Seems like such an obvious mistake that I'm kind of stunned and I WANNA go back to this idea of despair that I was talking about about earlier because you know it's it's obviously not just me right. I mean I wrote this thing because I had this sort of ambien sense that it was happening The reaction to it was has got a ton of feedback from other people who are feeling the same thing. Recently I started reaching out to therapists to talk to them about what their patients are saying about trump I lasted this in the run up to the election I started talking to therapists about patients who had a lot of anxiety that trump would win the election. It's kind of heartbreaking. Because one way that they helped them manage that anxiety was to help them. See how unlikely that possibility was. She's obviously not possible anymore. Right so I've been talking to therapists pissed. You know in in blue parts of the country but who say that trump comes up in almost for some of them. Trump comes up in almost every session right and and I was just talking to somebody this morning. Who was telling me that She feels like people have moved from the state of hyper Hyper vigilance to a state of despair and that despair is I mean. It's dangerous for them but it's dangerous for all of us. We cannot ah go into election with are people feeling that By the way she was saying that some of the people that she treats they're having the hardest time with what's happening are are Holocaust survivors. And so I think that our people the people who are going to hopefully have a chance to save democracy In eleven months. They need to feel like they have a champion. They need to feel like there's somebody who recognizes the scale of the emergency who recognizes is. How terrified they are and who can stand up for them and inasmuch as we have everybody focused on this little tiny demographic slivers hours of these front-line districts? I don't think we have that and I think it's it's really really dangerous before wrapping it up. I did want to talk to little bit about the trial. What you anticipate it looking like stipulating that Sitting here we don't think that there's anywhere close to twenty the republican votes to remove him. What do you think it looks like? Are you concerned about these murmurings among moderate Democrats. They might prefer censure rather than impeachment. Of course I'm concerned terrified and I mean it's it's it's so self defeating it makes it makes my head want to explode. I mean I cannot fathom why they think that kind of getting to this point and then let essentially leading donald trump off the hook would be You know an a good idea not just for a good for the country but ultimately a good idea for them but the other thing that concerns me about the Senate trial With Bill Clinton's Senate trial. I think there was three witnesses called. I would be surprised if there's even that many I mean from what I've read there's you know there's trump who wants to turn it into a big circus and try to call hundred Biden and try to call all these other people in some sense. I feel like that would be the better situation for Democrats. Go find you call Hunter Biden but we're also calling Rudolph Giuliani and we're also calling. You know life partners and all these other figures a trial in which kind of nobody's but he's called and it's just kind of a bunch of Senate floor speeches seems really anticlimactic all right. Let's leave it there. Michelle Goldberg. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. That's it for this week. By next week's episode. The impeachment of Donald Trump should be complete and we will be awaiting the trial of Donald Donald Trump in the United States senate. That trial probably won't begin until January But that doesn't mean everything will be on hold until then there's another transcript out there. The Democrats want to see this one between Ukrainian President Vladimir's Alinsky and vice president. Mike pence so the chase is on for that will also likely learn whether and when the supreme cream court will hear arguments over president. Trump's challenges to all these subpoenas of his financial records and one silver lining of a narrow impeachment investigation is that there are just is to lot of dangling threads and a lot of dots connected and any number of shoes could drop at any point So who knows. We might even learn who tried to bribe Rick Gates to obstruct up to the trump Russia. Investigation this show is produced by Kurkin media is written and hosted by me Brian. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor. If if you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts and.

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The Proposition

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

36:27 min | 8 months ago

The Proposition

"Hey Rubicon fans. It's Brian if you're listening to this then hopefully already know that we've just launched a new weekly newsletter here at crooked media. It's called big tent. I write it and my goal is to walk with you through the big debates unfolding among Democrats in real time from the campaign trail to the Senate floor to the most productive venues twitter. And I want to do that because the issues we argue about and how we work them out. We'll both shape the future of the progressive movement we share and probably also help determine whether Donald trump gets a second terminate. The first edition just came out on Friday January thirty first. But you can subscribe today at crooked dot com slash big tent I'm really psyched about this. I hope you sign up and encourage people you know to sign up to China not a single witness in the house record that they compiled and developed under their procedures that we've discussed and will continue to discuss provided any first hand. Evidence wouldn't that the president ever linked the presidential meeting to any investigations ambassador John Bolton he was national security advisor to to president trump. He was in the meetings in which the president's national security team discussed withholding aid from Ukraine in exchange for announcing investigations into the Biden's. We want a real and a fair trial and in particular. We'd like to hear from John Bolton did he say you've got to do an investigation and we'll give you money. No he didn't do that. And there's there's no evidence there's nobody. There's nobody that they had the said that right. But what if John Bolton did but if the president did tell John Bolton that indeed there was a relationship chat between getting that information on the Biden's and aid to the country. That wouldn't be enough for you to say let's look into this more no the acquittal of Donald Trump will mark the end of this impeachment process. Much more importantly it will mark the dawning of a brave new world for several days. Trump's lawyers insisted on well a lot of nonsense but two things in particular I that there's no evidence trump ever condition military aid to Ukraine on Ukraine announcing it would investigate the Biden's second that the Senate should not seek to hear from witnesses with firsthand knowledge of trump's involvement in the scheme in the middle of this not at all suspicious set of arguments. The New York Times broke the explosive close of news that former National Security Advisor John Bolton's forthcoming book will fully contradict trump's official defense. Republicans responded to this bombshell not by relenting acting on their cover up but by accelerating it the trump administration is trying to block publication of Bolton's Book Republican senators particularly the most vulnerable. One's redoubled their commitment to hearing no witnesses and trump's lawyers adopted a new terrifying argument. The president can abuse power in any way to help secure his his own reelection so long as he thinks his election is in the national interest for president does something which he believes will help him get elected elected in the public interest. That cannot be the kind of quid pro. Quo that results in impeachment. The Republican Party now stand foursquare behind the view. That presidents have dictatorial power to cheat in their own elections at least so long as those presidents are Republican. We don't have to think too hard about how unacceptable this is. Here's Adam Schiff see how you feel about this. Scenario President Obama on on an open Mike says to Medvedev. Hey Medvedev I know you don't want me to send this military money to crank because they're fighting and killing your people. I want you to do me a favor though. I want you to do an investigation Mitt Romney and I want you to announce you found dirt on Mitt Romney. And if you're willing to do that quid pro quo. I won't give you the money. They need to fight you on the the front line. Do any of us have any question. That Barack Obama would be impeached for that kind of misconduct by the standard Republicans. Now Support Joe Biden. Could Win the Election Mitch. McConnell could filibuster his agenda and Joe Biden could retaliate by pressuring China to investigate McConnell his wife Elaine Chao and her family's family's shipping business short of trump losing the election. Will it be possible to go back. My guest this week is Susan Hennessy. She's executive editor of Law Fair and host of the report. She's also the CO author of a new book called UNMAKING. The presidency about the ways trump has turned the core powers of the presidency into weapons. We already know many of the ways. Trump has abused powers as Senate Republicans now abused their powers. We'll discuss us. Whether along with trump there on making the republic itself. I'm Brian Boiler and this is Rubicon. 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We're recording this episode on Thursday but the key vote on whether we're going to have anything anything like a fair trial in the Senate for Donald Trump's impeachment won't happen until Friday and we may not even know how that vote is going to shake out until it actually happens so for the purposes of this conversation I wanNA focus for the most part on the proposition. Trump and his lawyers have put forth and how Republicans in particular Picula have reacted to it because it bottom Republicans seem prepared to accept it whether there are witnesses or not at eventually. The story ends without sixty seven votes to remove Donald Trump from office. How would you characterize the proposition that that? They're preparing themselves to affirm mm-hmm so nobody ever wants to be considered naive in this town. And so I say this with with a risk of being proven wrong in pretty rapid order. I'm still just refuse to believe that the Senate would actually be willing to not even call John in Bolton as a witness because that would be an expression that impeachment is not a genuine constitutional remedy. It's not a real check on executive give power it's just a raw measurement of how many members of the president's own party sit in the Senate and I think what we're seeing play out right now. I'm is the terrible terrible choice. The Republican senators have created for themselves because on one hand they want to be perceived as you undertaking. A legitimate should image investigation a legitimate trial. Even though they know full well that they intend to quit the president at the end of this and and of course I think something like seventy five percent of Americans say `I I they believe that additional witnesses should be called. I'm but the senators have a really big problem because John Bolton has come out and he's said I have a story to tell and it's really bad and it shatters a lot of the implausible deniability that you've been clinging to an. I'm going to tell that story eventually. I'm gonNA tell it in a book. I'm going to tell it in an interview. This this story is coming out and so what Republican Senators have to decide is do they want to be confronted with that story under oath and then have to actually cast a vote wrote not a furrowed brow in a Senate hallway. Not a disapproving tweet about being gravely concerned but an up or down. Vote on the question of whether or not this is acceptable. Whether or not this tolerable and I think if we get down to it and the balance of fears between between Senate Republicans of being perceived perceived as a not undertaking legitimate investigation versus the consequence of undertakings illegitimate investigation. I think that's the anguish that we're seeing. I'm playing out right now I continue to think I too hope that there will be four senators who realized that this is just not not that this that this impeachment trial simply would not be perceived as legitimate by the American public. If John Bolton doesn't come to testify but for the purposes of this recording. I think that we have to you know we're in the dark for the next twenty four hours As to how this is actually going to play out and by the time people listen to this. That question will be answered one way or another Either we're going to be in a world where John Bolton is going to testify or we're going to be in one where this is all gonna and we're going to figure out what his stories later. I just think that whichever happens. There's one more vote after after that. which is a a a quitter convict and even today? I think I count enough. Republican senators who have essentially said. Even if what Bolton's book is purported to to claim is true. I'm we're just not going to convict trump and so if we just Liba ahead to the assumption that he's acquitted what do you interpret Republicans to be saying by having acquitted him. Does that make sense. Yeah I interpret Republicans to be saying that it is tolerable. Acceptable for the president of the United States is to use the powers of his office to extort a foreign leader into becoming an opposition researcher for his political campaign. I I would say that these senators senators are voting to say that it is acceptable to have a president and in this really goes sort of the core argument. We loud in this book but a president in who does not view the interests of the office of the presidency as in any way distinct from the interests of the occupant that those are completely completely merged in political interest in financial interests. And and this really goes to the heart of trump's vision of the presidency this sense that the purpose of the presidency she is to serve the president and it serves the public only coincidentally or when convenient or as an afterthought and that isn't a question of you've expanding the edges of executive power the ordinary sort of areas in which we're used to debating limits of presidential power it it goes to the very core and it says that the president can use the these really astonishingly Empowering Authority ordeal that the constitution vests in him. I'm for his own purposes and not on behalf of the country and and if that is true and if the Senate is willing to tolerate hollering that that has long term structural ramifications across lots of different axes and and the Senate may may try to sort of kid themselves by saying. Oh No. We're making a very narrow vote about the nature of this form of an impeachable offense or that form. But but this is a blunt instrument you're either impeaching and removing the president has an or you aren't and so they really are fooling themselves if they don't think that the ultimate statements that they're making is. This is acceptable acceptable and they are accepting. I'm glad you brought up John Bolton for this reason because you're a you could in theory imagine a situation in which for plus Republican senators not enough to convict him but enough to say. There's a real problem here get together and say look like we're not going to there's no reason to To to draw this proceeding indefinitely but we acknowledge something terrible happened here and so we're interested in is in. What can we do as legislators power to say okay? We're not going to remove him from office office but we are going to take some steps to make sure that this doesn't become the norm at least in our Party and censoring him. Yo ramping ramping. Up a regular oversight activities and that's just not in the cart. Nobody's even discussing that as an option Which is why I feel like take the emergence of Bolton and and and what we believe we know he is in his book is so revelatory Is like most trump scandal seem to follow this pattern where he and all of the principals deny whatever their alleged to have done outright. Then say it didn't it didn't happen but if it did happen it wouldn't be so bad and then finally I did it and it was awesome and to me what striking about the role. The boat revelations have played is how how quickly they moved us from step two to step three where where Republicans and trump's lawyers have been kinda stuck saying could pro quos normal but even here Democrats Kratz haven't proved that trump ever explicitly linked Ukraine aid to Sham Biden investigations. Bolton's you know book the details of what's in Bolton's book book come out and he says that's bullshit and actually trump did exactly that almost overnight. We we get to trump and everyone around him kinda claiming dictatorial power to cheat in his own election which leaves no space for any kind of intermediate remedy. Does that make sense. I think it does look. I think what has been happening. Is You know the idea that there were there were senators who And you know in good faith were looking at the the record produced by the House and they saw this evidence and some of it was somewhat troubling. And Gosh Gosh it really does look like the president did one investigations into his political opponent. Joe Biden and his son or at least the announcement of those investigations. And Gosh. It really does look like the President United States frozen military aid to Ukraine and then lied about it in an head why he did it from Congress but shucks. I just don't know how we could possibly tie those. It's two things together. which by the way what people like? Kurt Volker attempted to testify to a while. We knew there was this one bad thing happening knew there. Was this other bad thing happening. But you're telling me see these two bad things were actually about the same thing or it's a whole game has been this completely implausible story. That's how these two things were not connected. And here's John Bolton coming forward and saying they're connected and I can testify to what the president actually said putting both of these things in the exact same sentence and what that does is it pops sort of implausible deniability that we've seen so many actors operating an in bad faith and we should acknowledge that they're pretending right it's not that they actually. They're actually stunned by this new revelation. They're pretending because they know that they eventually are going to vote to quit. The president of the United States and so the problem is is that that now requires a pivot right. You can't just say well. Of course it would be incredibly disturbing if the president tied military aid to abusive investigations nations. Something that Lindsey Graham and many others actually said at the outset of the revelations of this scandal you know but we're not going to call a witness before for the Senate who is who is a person who's imposition actually. Tie those two things together. You can't make that argument plausibly. And so instead you have to move into this really astonishing initiative constitutional argument and and really that is the heart of the argument. The heart of the argument is that the president of the United States is allowed to use the powers of his office for any purpose. He'd like so long as he can articulate at least some rationale for why it was in fact on behalf of the public interest even if there's also a corrupt motive present present and it doesn't matter how how implausible or contradicted by the documentary record. That sort of that rationale of why he was doing on behalf of the public might be so long as you can say something and really what we're talking about here is is a completely unconstrained unconstrained executive an executive that does not need to in fear impeachment and removal and the exercise of his office so long as he knows that the Senate is controlled by members. I have his own party so in researching on making the presidency. Were you struck by any historical examples of the presidency. Changing alarming ways but in ways. That didn't didn't ever stick in hindsight we can kind of say. We dodged a bullet entered. Johnson is probably the best example of this so Johnson actually is impeach although not removed. She's the first president to be impeached. And he's sort of trumpy figure right he's He's a demagogue. He've he allies. He you you know. He insults his political opponents. He's actually one of the articles of impeachment is. It's for the way he speaks and sort of his language. I'm in search for for being a little bit like a like a trump rally actually was one of the articles of impeachment and of course for ignoring the log knowing the constraints of the law ignoring ignoring the The legislature as a CO equal branch. And he's impeached. And it's kind of a blip People talk about Johnson now but but just as a negative example for rape kind of president that you don't WanNa be and so you know we do have the ability in our constitutional structure to have anomalies because when presidents aren't reelected or when they're impeached and when they they pay both political and and and structural prices. I'm in a in abusing their office in abusing their office. We are able to you course correct. But there's a lot of other examples in which we see that the presidency is a changeable institution an institution that has changed dramatically dramatically over time. And that we can't always tell We can we saw in the moment The the consequences of the long term consequences of breaking breaking down particular norm so even whenever we see norms being broken down for good policy reasons for things that we might we might agree with those end up playing out In ways we might not have foreseen so I think the best example of this is Jimmy Carter comes in so constitutionally. The president is supposed to nominate judges and then he sends them to to the Senate for For advice and consent and really since the beginning of the Republic I'm since the George Washington's administration what had happened is the Senate would come up with the names of judges judges from their home state and then they'd send it over the president and the president would say yes or no so sort of this inversed process and Jimmy Carter comes along and he says I'm not doing this anymore. I'm GONNA keep going to start nominating judges just like the Constitution tells me because I care about women and minorities on the bench right. It's not about ideology. Don't worry this isn't about politics. I'm going to be really careful to not insert politics into my I into my nominating decisions. But I want it for the good policy reason then. Ronald Reagan comes along and he says yeah. That's a good idea. I like that. I WANNA nominate my judges too. But I'm going to do it for judicial official philosophy. Right this this notion of conserved judicial conservatism and originalism. which is of course just politics disguise and then George H W Bush comes along and says away like that too? I'm not GonNa do it for circuit court judges. I'm going to do it for district court judges as well so in a relatively short period of time we have the entire nominating nominating and confirmations structure of judges and really the the character of the federal judiciary transformed entirely and so whenever we think we we tend to focus only on trump's most egregious breaches questions. Like can he abuse the power of his office to get a foreign government to investigate his political opponents but there are a hundred different sort of Norma's breaches that are playing out at the exact same time that the congress has really shrugging. Shrugging at but the media can't keep up with and that if they if they do not go the media is sort of shrugging with and and that if the if the people essentially ratify by reelecting trump into office will transform the nature of the American presidency forever. I ask because on the one hand I mean obviously. Donald trump isn't the first politician to break norms. But he is in some ways I think a truly Sui generis figure like many of the Republicans who have tried to imitate the way he does politics have been obliterated at the polls and there aren't really many internationally famous Magliolo maniacal billionaire racists with no shame who could like repeat what he's done But his Republican allies are kind of actively changing the rules of the road. So that even run of the mill Republicans can can ruby on the law. And it's it's unclear to me how we can go back if the the public at large kind of recognizes that this isn't okay and it's not the way that should be done. Things should be done but the ruling party is complicit in in in embracing it and kind of Building it into the system oppressive. Here's a look in a democracy. Eventually the people look at the presidency they want and they will get the presidency that they care to defend and the only way to correct for trump's breaches incorrect for trump's brief breaches in the long term is decisive electoral while rejection and not just electoral rejection of the president but also electoral rejection of the of the of Republicans in Congress. I'm at because that really is the way that we fundamentally defend defend norms and defend concepts like ethics and decency and truth telling and and being a faithful stewards of the public. Trust is through these sort of these electoral safeguards and so I'm I think the way to think about sort of the election is it is a necessary but not sufficient condition. So if we don't have people voted out of office it will be very very difficult to go back and rebuild this this because in a way they will have shown proof of concept that you can do this and still be elected however even if trump is rejected and even if maybe some of his His closest imitators are rejected as well or if instead the sort of the squish votes right. The people who didn't fully embraced his vision and yet also weren't willing to discharge their constitutional obligations and duties. People like Susan Collins perhaps and even if those people like Susan Collins perhaps even if those people are voted out of office there still is a tremendous amount out of work to do afterwards. And that's the work of reestablishing the norms and the next president is going to have frankly some genuinely difficult decisions to make. So I'm a daily White House. Press briefing what a pain in the butt. Who would tell president? Yeah so oh you you don't have to do a press briefing because if you don't do it and you don't have to tell the truth and you're up any accountability because it turns out you can totally get away with that But you should do it anyway. Just because it's a good thing to do even though you'll pay a huge price that it'll it'll be incredibly difficult for you to survive any scandal that might come up or basically shirk accountability ability and transparency. It might be tempting for the next president to say well. Let's give them like once a week and tell them to be happy about it or once a month once a month but we promise we actually will tell all the truth Or the next president might come in and say you know look this whole tenure. FBI Director Thing Yeah that seemed kind of important and you know but it turns out that actually the FBI director is just a presidential appointee but the president can fire FBI director and get away with in. Chris Wray seems like a perfectly nice person. But I want my own person because I have my own envision of how how criminal justice should be executed and I want my own guy in that seat and and that will be the moment in which the new normal be established. It's not the initial breach. It's the decision to not constrain moving forward and not to solve constrain moving forward. And that's why I think it's GonNa be a legitimately gently difficult question because it's hard to ask Democrats to play by the rules when the other side doesn't I'm but the long term consequences in the long-term character of the office really are going to be what's at stake right. I mean I I. I take a blood election to kind of be a necessary but not not sufficient condition to setting these right. Both for what you said is that it's very hard for presidents to to sort of right-sized their own office after it's been oversized by you know somebody like Donald Trump but also you know Obama one of very decisive election in two thousand eight and the sort of Zeitgeist of the moment the kind of candidate he was. He didn't want to have a period of reflection or of examination of what had happened in the in the prior administration the different kinds of abuses but still very severe ones. And I feel like there's a lesson there is that unless you have a after the election a president or a party in place. That's willing to do that. Kind have reflective work and and. Make sure that there's accountability not just for the person who lost the election but for everyone who enabled them for the people in Congress who looked the other way or or try table. It that you're you're you're teaching these people that well you might lose an election but that just means try harder next time pressed the lever harder And I I have. I'm just not super optimistic about our political system and I I don't just mean Congress and the White House but the media and other institutions in Washington if we're fortunate enough to see trump defeated at the polls Kind of creating an environment. That kind of look back is possible. But I'd like to believe yeah so I'm sort of a believer believer in In personal responsibility not in the Republican Party of personal responsibility sense of the word but in the sense that All actors actors need to engage in deep examination of their role in bringing us to this moment. I'm so whenever I I sort of considered the answer to that question. I'm I'm not from the perspective of the media but really from the perspective of legal academics and public legal scholars. Because I think we we have contributed. I'm in the nature in which we've discussed things like executive power for example or the way we've discussed things like executive privilege for example example. I'm so having this really robust debate about You know how far we can push executive privilege. It works in a system in which every bositis playing their role right so congress is pushing as hard as they can for documents and testimony and the executive is pushing back right and the judiciary are being Reasonable actors that aren't engaging in a form of executive deference that that is really about blinding themselves to the reality of motivation You know that that worked reasonably well. When you had Barack Obama in office it worked reasonably well when you had George W Bush in office? It's worked whenever you had prior presidents that engage in sort of a baseline conception of civic virtue. It doesn't work anymore. I'm not means that we can no longer rely on this sort of structural structural tension in pushing arguments to the limit instead. There needs to be a return to holistic examination right. So this notion that if the president of the United States can control who gets to see what information and Wen absolutely on an absolute basis which is what the trump administration is asserting right. They get to decide what they tell Congress. The notion of congressional oversight doesn't doesn't meaningfully exist any longer it means that congressional oversight is voluntary and the Congr- Congress can oversee the president and the executive branch when the president feels feels like it and when he wants them to see it This notion of executive deference that we've seen from from the judicial branch right something. That's now I've been taking passage breaking point that you have trump say were banning all Muslims from coming in the country and then you have. DOJ Walk in the room and they say no no. No we totally understand how you you would think that. This has something to do with Muslims. We do recognize that. These are mostly Muslim Muslim-majority countries. But don't worry had nothing to do with any of that. And then you have. The president tweeted out. Yeah no totally about the Muslims or wink. We all know what that means right actually admit that it was all bs the whole time right right and so what was in the past this idea of the judicial branch confining itself to its own function and not an assuming that the executive branch was in the best position into particular a particular information instead. Executive difference becomes a ratification of the idea that the the the The president can lie to the judiciary and in some ways. It's actually the same argument that we're seeing playing out in the Senate right. This idea that it's impossible possible to examine the president's motivations the idea that it's legitimate for the president to use and misuse the powers of his office so long has he can articulate some legitimate rationale and and the problem is whenever you have the kind of really incredibly empowered executive that we have intentionally finally designed in our structural system. And you take out this obligation of good faith and at the same time you have the other branches unwilling to do you legitimate testing and legitimate Checking of that power. That is an incredibly dangerous injuries situation. And and I think we should be clear eyed about that moving forward so if decisive defeat of the polls is a necessary predicate for getting us anywhere Back anywhere near a semblance of normalcy. Can there be a free and fair fair election in the. US of the ruling party has voted to affirm that its leader can cheat however he wants in his reelection so long as he has some. You know weekly plausible pretext for doing so and I don't even mean if trump tries new schemes and abuses to cheat I just mean how badly has the legitimacy of the system been damaged already simply by the ruling party embracing this idea his. I think it's MM It's profoundly destructive over the long term I do think we should Think about impeachment Sort of in its struggle struggle contacts. which is the history of Patriot in the United States is the history of quote unquote failed impeachment impeachment without removal and so to some degree? I'm there has been a checking checking function and it's almost miraculous that we're here and you know this feels like a really pessimistic day in in DC right now. But I think we should embrace a little bit of the optimism. I'm here right that that really something. That seemed impossible a few months ago. I'm actually did come to pass that. That the president made states which actually impeach. He was impeached. Teach for this behavior and so even if the Senate acquits him as they likely well and even if they acquit them without calling witnesses such that the American people don't fully understand what happened and aren't able to to have full accountability and transparency in the election. Even if that happens the statement that we're left with is still this is impeachable conduct and that does have a deterring function To to future presidents. Who's who realized? Hey if I engage in in this behavior I might face impeachment and I might have. I might have to face a trial and it might be very politically damaging and embarrassing my legacy cassia embarrassing You know and make in and creates conditions which it's impossible for me to Oversee a legislative agenda that I care about. I'm so I do still think we're in a world in which there are at least in In the immediate terms some constraints that are functioning. The question is what happens over the long term and one thing about this president does appear to be pathological is his need to constantly upped. The anti to every time gets away with something to do something worse and so that's why I think one of the most perilous days this will be the day after the the Senate votes to acquit the president. Because I that may well be the day that he once again and remember. He's already done just once before goes on television ADS China to to investigate his political opponents or picks up the phone behind the scenes and ask the autocratic dictators that he has these close personal relationships to engage in their own abusive. He hasn't done it if he hasn't already done. And I think this is critical as well if this is what we're seeing and the president's defense to this is it. This is a perfect phone call. There's nothing wrong with this. And the message. He's getting from members of his own party as there's nothing wrong with this. What else is happening that we don't know about this was all happening out in public rudy? Giuliani was screaming. I did it. I did it for months. Served on the front page of the newspaper Before before the House of Representatives was actually a really sort of took note of what was unfolding. I'm you know I that that to me I think is something we We really really need to think about it. And to grapple with of what happens is when trump does the next thing and we now know that the Senate I is willing to basically give it the thumbs up. I think that's a good note to end on I'm Susan Hennessy. Thank you for coming on Rubicon. The book is called UNMAKING. The presidency Glad you could do this

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"Hey Rubicon fans. It's Brian if you're listening to this then hopefully you already know that. We've launched a new weekly newsletter here it could media. It's called big tent. I write it and my goal is to walk with you through the big debates unfolding among Democrats in real time from the campaign trail to the Senate floor to twitter. And I want to do that because the the issues we argue about and how we worked out amongst ourselves will shape the future of the progressive movement and probably also help determine whether Donald trump gets a second term or not what The first edition came out on Friday January thirty first but you can subscribe to day at crooked dot com slash big tent. I'm really psyched about this. So I hope you sign up and encouraged people you know to sign up to the president should have done was if he was upset about Joe Biden and his son what they were doing. Ukraine should have called the attorney. Joe told him that and let attorney general handle it the way they we always handle cases that involve public. Why do you think he didn't do that maybe didn't know to do it? Are you confident that the president won't seek foreign assistance again. I believe that the president has learned from this case. The president is guilty of an appalling abuse a public trust and what he did was not perfect. No it was a flagrant assault under electoral rights. Our national security you and our fundamental values corrupting and election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one's oath of office that I can imagine the trial of Donald Trump ended did as expected and yet not as expected at all before trump's impeachment. The Senate had never voted to remove a president and that is still true by the rules laid out in the constitution trump is acquitted and may continue holding the office of president but before trump's impeachment no senate had ever abused the power to try impeachments to conceal evidence of high crimes. That is no longer the case and before trump's impeachment don't know us. Senator had ever voted to remove a president of his or her own party. That is also no longer the case. On Wednesday Mitt Romney became became the first senator in the country's history to break with his party's president and declare him guilty of impeachable offenses. It's easy to write this off as a small deal with two bucks and one Republican. Vote to convict. You can buy half of an oat milk Lotte but if it were small deal how do you explain this. So senator. Romney's decision to break ranks eliciting lavish praise from the left. I think it's unfortunate that he's bought into Adam shifts impeachment charade which is what it wise Romney is now. Suddenly the Democrat's favorite Republican. There will be some people who might be happy with it and they might be called. Democrats said he's has convictions. His faith it's very important to him and he felt like he's still bring religion into a but I'm saying for him to bring religion into this has nothing to do with religion by faith in makes me they do this. Are you kidding. It is a big deal and it's a big deal because the guilty parties. No it's a big deal when Adam Schiff delivered his closing argument to the Senate Senate. He asked Republican senators. Is there one among you who will say enough. The answer it turns out was yes literally one and he the infuriated the entire right wing. Not because they value loyalty to trump for loyalty's sake but because he gave the lie to the story about impeachment that Republicans I wanted to tell impeachment was partisan it was about revenge. Trump did nothing wrong and if what he did was wrong it just wasn't that bad. The trial of Donald Trump thus ended with a real measure of Justice Republican senators indicted themselves as members of trump's conspiracy. Here's C. Against the United States and one of their own members exposed them not only will the most vulnerable of these senators have to explain to their constituents why they voted loaded to conceal evidence of trump's guilt and let him off the hook. They'll have to contend with the fact that Mitt Romney the former leader of their party refused to participate in the cover up and voted for trump's conviction. But the only face these questions if the rest of US keep the public I trained on trump's corruption. That won't happen if Democrats return to the posture. They adopted before impeachment a posture of Duck and confrontation and hiding behind. Message bills. That won't become law and nobody ever hears about. If impeachment was is just a box checking exercise it let's all of these complicit Republicans off the hook if Democrats stop fighting for the truth for all the evidence. Trump is bottled up now. They've reached the other side of impeachment. They might squander all the effort that went into convincing that one republican to say enough that means what comes next matters more more than what we've just been through so even vited Matthew Miller back so we can assess where we are how far we've come and what must happen now to make sure we we didn't cross these dangerous waters for nothing. I'm Brian Boiler and this is Rubicon and not Miller welcome back to Rubicon again. Glad to be here is always after Watergate Richard Nixon high tailed it out of Washington with the process. Yes more less worked as antiquated. There was no impeachment but he knew he was gonna be booted so hedin left peacefully and the vice president became president resident and everything was able to go back to normal like enough that just a few years later. The Reagan Revolution happening. Republicans swept back into power and then after the Clinton Impeachment Peach Mint. Bill Clinton was pretty penitent And I think the consequences of that impeachment have really echoed through the twenty plus years since then and Donald Trump is not penitent and Republicans have no interest in trying to constrain him. and I wonder what you think that means for how his impeachment achievement will shape the coming years. I think they're too as dance at. One is the short term. One of the long term in the short term I think he's GonNa feel completely emboldened emboldened in to go after his enemies. I saw him doing already at a prayer breakfast of all places attacking Romney and Pelosi. I don't like people who use their faith faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. Nor do I like people who say a I. Pray for you when they know that that's not so he's going to feel emboldened to use the powers of the office office anyway. He wants to try to gain gain an advantage in the election and he basically going to be the guy he's always been but maybe maybe a little bit more unleashed because he knows there's not going to be another impeachment between now and his reelection but then I think the the the answer to the question long-term really depends on whether he wins reelection or not. I mean we one thing we keep hearing a lot about is we'll history will judge how people acted here but I think history will review this a lot differently if trump is reelected than. If he isn't I mean I think if he's reelected and goes on to govern for four more years and and and isn't removed from office in a second term people will view his presidency. Hopefully as an abnormality and irregularity. But I don't know that the judgment we would like to pass on. The people who acted with no integrity will be actually the way that that history visit. You drafted a playbook of sorts for Democrats in the Washington Post in just a partial spoiler. Is that In the aftermath of all this Democrats should continue to investigate trump aggressively but that having survived an impeachment where he provided zero documents and told all politically appointed witnesses not to testify. Listen the the those kind of things will remain concealed. We're not GONNA get forthright testimony from Bill Bar my POMPEII or or anyone. Anyone like that and we're not going to get in a easy Predictable Way and the documents that were concealed But they're still a Democrat of the the ability to conduct rigorous oversight by subpoena and career officials which is how they basically did the Ukraine investigation investigation? So who would you want to hear from if the goal was to replicate the Ukraine inquiry but for emoluments or for any other under investigated trump. Scandal Randall You know it depends on what the scandal is. I think you know one. Let's pick one that I personally think has been completely investigated. which is trump telling people in the department of of Homeland Security to build his wall and blow through minute domain blow through any rules possible and if they break the law he'll pardon him That has just a gross gross abuse of power so you look at all the officials at dhs start the same way shifted. which is you get one witness in and you ask them who was in the room when trump said that and you go to the rest of them and you start start digging through an uncovering rocks and every time you uncover rock you know who else to go through and I think the the the reason you do that is look the the Ukraine investigation? I think was a smashing success. I think it's I think the way shift conduct. It's the most successful congressional oversight investigation in at least in modern history in terms of the speed at which they able to cover wrongdoing the way they were able to largely not completely obviously but largely overcome the the president's blockade And it was a success excess because they stopped the present scheme in his tracks I mean if schiff had if whistleblower had come forward and shift remember the whistleblower came. Private is locked up for for weeks if shift. We've had publicly blown the whistle on it. Linski would have announced that investigation into Biden Biden. Never got out from under that cloud so I think they have to to go after all these officials at DHS at the Pentagon when you look at the president's pardon pardon of war criminals. They've led to the Navy secretary. Resigning you just go on around the government and their committees in the house. They can all do what shift did and you can't go back to this theory. have he's gotta be unleashed and try. GotTa use his power. However we can to win reelection by launching the investigations you both give incentives to whistle blowers to come forward and you freeze people? And and and freeze people in the government and let them know that someone's watching and there will be consequences if they carry out the president's lawless orders and that has has a real chilling affected the Republicans got this. They had a massive chilling effect on the F. B. I.. Two Thousand Sixteen I mean they they they put so much pressure on the FBI. They got the Komi to do all kinds of crazy things that that hurt. Hillary Clinton and Democrats can use their majority of the same way. I mean I think chef is uncommonly good at this kind of thing and not every other committee chair is but I also agree that it's not the case that he found the only seventeen people in all of the government and affiliated contracting firms or whatever they have witnessed wrongdoing and can incan and can testify to it but I guess the question is. Do you think Democrats will do that. I doubted gray. Look I think it it what I'll put it this way. I think it will be uneven. I think to your point shift is uncommonly good Not all the committee chairs are as talented as he is. Not all them has have have his talented his staff as he does but there are some talented chairs. And there's some very talented staff there on the hill What I worry is you're going to get back to where the Democrats were in this pre Ukraine period? And I don't mean by that this you know there was debate. You and I had it over whether they should have. Impeach trump over are the activities in the Miller report. Even if they weren't gonNA impeach him I think they could have investigated more aggressively than they did And there was is a big debate in the party. Should we focus on oversight or should we focus on passing bills on health care and education and everything else and my answer. Is You do both. There's no reason you you can't do. Both and sure. Oversight will get all the press attention but that others just not really get any attention anyway see. I think that that false dichotomy between investigating legislating has already starting to reemerge right like I thought a lot about how Democrats might stage the immediate aftermath of impeachment And if they'd had a subpoena like ready to go out the door for John Bolton right after Republicans voted for the cover up or for the acquittal. It would have shown a kind of resolve that I think might have spooked Republicans and it definitely would have spooked anyone. Anyone in the government who is considering carrying out trump's next plot and kills his victory lap right and they obviously didn't do that And there there are reports that they are torn between factions of WANNA step on the accelerator and others that want to go back to messaging bills and kind of hiding from confrontation with trump Then Republicans fired off their requests for information about one hundred Biden of the secret service as soon as the trial was done Is it I mean. Is this at all sustainable. I mean if you're one of the Democrats saying let's let's pull back from investigations like at. What point? Do you realize that this this is going to happen. Continue to happen to Biden and if he you know Fall Short in the in the primary the next Democrat. Yeah I that is yeah I think you re the one hundred Biden of requests for information that he was Grassley Johnson sent out and Ben. Graham is doing it too Is the right way to look at it. Because we know so what. The Republicans are going to do to the Democratic nominee. And if it ll everyone say well now I gotta do that. They did that two hundred and they're not going to have to my candidate Jane. Sanders was the subject of a criminal investigation by the Justice Department. You think that that the Senate isn't going to demand to look into that Senate Republicans do you think that trump is gonNA demand that that investigation be reopened. Of Of course they are and pick your candidate. If it's mayor Pete that would be something about you know housing programs in South Bend. I'm making this up. I don't know that trump's in there but you know what I mean they. They will find something and use their their subpoena power in the Senate to to start digging into investigations and if Democrats don't do the same they're leaving their nominee completely exposed exposed. And Look I. You shouldn't use your subpoena power just for political purposes that member Kevin McCarthy out in big trouble for admitting that's what Republicans were doing on Benghazi and that's not what oversight should be used for. But here's the thing with. I said this is my Democrats. Don't have to be a shameless. As Republicans they don't have have to be. As partisan Republicans trump is a walking corruption scandal their scandals all over his government and they are within their rights to investigate them. It's in some ways their duty to investigate them and yes S. it'll have a political impact But that doesn't even have to be their motivation for doing it. Yeah I mean one thing that I am one hundred percent. Certain of is that is that if the Biden campaign continues eighteen years to struggle or withdraw from the race or whatever is that we will never hear Republicans say starting again and it will just be onto the next thing and I I think that at some point Democrats have to realize that what happened in two thousand sixteen is what was happening with Berry. SMA is that trump and Republicans know that trump is this walking corruption corruption scandal and that the only way to To you know. Avoid that being a huge political liability for Mr try to neutralize it by creating a miasma of scandal around The whoever's leading the Democratic Party right And you know I I. I think the democratic tools rules are are limited in an extent to how they can how they can stop this right like something. Something really chilling happened after they voted to conceal the evidence. which is that you know? Lamar Alexander came out. He said I think trump did something wrong. I'm going to vote for the cover up and then I'm going to vote to acquit and In trump should realize that he had into gone to Ukraine to invest. The bonds should have gone to the attorney general and he said this on. Meet the press and Chuck Todd. Why don't you think he did that? But that would have been you know a a historic abuse of power before trump but that's where Republicans are trying to shift the overton window to and seemingly successfully. And so I don't think that Democrats Kratz can necessarily stop that from happening. But if they if they say okay we're going we're going to try to retrain focus away from trump's corruption and onto messaging bills then it clears the field for him to say you know to do whatever it takes to make it seem like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders or Buddha. The Judge Justice corrupt as he is the. Let's fight this election out over. You know immigration or whatever that is absolutely right and is absolutely the way I look at it The the the world has changed from what it used to be. I think it changed while Barack Obama was President and Republicans just decided they were going to use. Is there oversight power to completely take the president down with Benghazi and all these stupid celebre fast and furious all these scandals that they thought were going to be into the end of the White House and they realized that the the the press would treat these as legitimate inquiries even when they very obviously weren't and what that does is is it ties up the ties up the incumbent administration from being able to get any administration at look. You haven't heard from trump much about the economy. The last three months because always been talking about is is Ukraine and look. You can argue whether that's a good use of oversight or not but the Republicans are gonNA use it that way. And if you don't as Democrats you are disarming and leaving power That you have a by the wayside and basically I think surrendering to Republicans. It goes back to this conversation about what are the norms and we cannot have a system where only one party advised by norms or. That party will lose every election so I want you to put in just a second again because a couple couple of weeks ago this was reported another guidance has gone out from bill bar that if anyone at justice Things there needs to be an investigation of campaign It's got to go through him right. And they're addressing this up as like the goal is to avoid another Komi letters situation but I think that's transparently not the goal. It's that it's that if all all the Predication for investigations of political officials runs through him. He can say no to these investigations and yes to these. And of course he he will say no to any investigations trump and he will happily say yes Danny Investigations of Democrats What can Democrats do to either stop? Op this kind of obvious. Perversion of the law enforcement power Stop Bill Barr from abusing this way or if he's going to abuse and there's no would you stop him. What how how can they? You know sort of shine a light on. It doesn't have the impact that he hopes will. I will say two things about this. I the the problem with this policy goes back to the problem of having a corrupt attorney general. I think the policy in itself has action appropriate when I don't think the FBI should be able to to just on its Own Decision announced Investigate or launch investigations into political candidates. Because you can see a world where everyone in the let's say everyone in the F. B. I. Hates Bernie Zander's in the FBI decides to go after him without any good reason it leaks. This was what was happening with the Clinton Foundation invested investigation. So I do think there ought to be some oversight by political officials who at least in theory are more accountable to the public then than people at the FBI are but the problem. MM that theory breaks down when you have an up an attorney general who we know we cannot trust. Do the right thing. And so you have this policy which I think is a totally appropriate policy. And I think you're right. Bill Bar will oh completely abuse it the way. He's abused discretion so far as Attorney General I think what Democrats have to do with that is then put pressure on the people at at the Justice Department who would have to carry out that policy he goes back to my overall theory. It means hauling the FBI. Director up there and putting pressure on. Chris Wray D. Is this something that should be investigated. Did you recommend that there be an investigation. Did the Attorney General turn you down and those are the types of questions you know. If you're at an oversight hearing Chris Raise not going to answer I answer but if you bombard people at the Justice Department with inquiries and letters and you pull whistleblowers out of there. It starts to have an impact on their decision making it starts to have an impact on what they leak and you start to get in the situation we had in two thousand sixteen where You Know Jim Komi knew that there was no no he had to know. They weren't gonNA find anything real and the Weiner Laptop but he felt he had to go tell the Tell Hill to cover his ass and Chris Wray if he decides if he's sometime down the road and I said Chris Wray but it's everyone up and down the chain inside the F. B. I.. And the non non political appointees at DOJ decided. Well I'm going to do a bill bar wants or are you know. He may not be the attorney general in three months maybe a democratic administration. I gotTA look out for my job certainly going to be a democratic house I think I WANNA make sure I don't get dragged up on the hill. You get people worrying and when they worry when they stop and pause and think you know what I'm I'm gonNA write a memo to the file and maybe that member of the files GONNA show up in the hands of the New York Times and that's how you change people's behaviors inside the government. Let's hope that the right people are listening to this episode. At least the Matt Miller. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. That's it for Rubicon at least for now. This chapter of the impeachment saga is over but the story of impeachment continues and we can't know how it ends. Do Ukraine scandal the impeachment the cover up they all increase the stakes of the election dramatically. And what we do about it in the next ten months just took on a ton of added weight so get to work. This show is produced by crooked media. It was written and hosted by me. 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The Coverup

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

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The Coverup

"When Ukraine scandal broke wide open an impeachment inquiry became inevitable? Republicans in Congress had to say something Anything came up with though didn't hold together very long. President trump had just been caught making military aid to Ukraine a vulnerable double US ally contingent on Ukraine providing political favor to him. Personally that's extremely corrupt even if you believe. Trump didn't make his threat in the most explicit possible terms the president of the United States simply cannot make foreign governments. Think the key to American friendship is giving him personally personally things of value but at the time more than a few republicans invented a new line. Whatever trumpets set on that phone call to the president of Ukraine? It wasn't an explicit quid pro quo and unless Democrats could find evidence of one. Trump should skate. Here's Senator Lindsey Graham if you're looking for circumstance where. The president of the United States was threatening the Ukraine with cutting off aid unless they investigators political opponent. You would be very disappointed warning that does not exist. Doesn't it though gotta say it. Only in the age of trump. The latest bombshell came from acting achiever staff Mick Mulvaney. Admitting there was indeed a quid pro quo too and that was. The legality of the issue is a quid pro. It is funding will not flow unless the investigation is is server happened as well we do. We do that all the time to react. I former White House Press Secretary Fox News Contributor Ari Fleischer. He watched this all right Dan You make things better or worse. Worse woops to call what we've learned. Since the impeachment process began a setback for Republican. Defenses of the president would be a huge understatement and the death blow came this week. Meet Gordon someone. One SUNLEN is a wealthy hotel executive who bought his way into the US ambassadorship to the European Union by making large donations to Donald Trump in in that role trump enlisted him as one of his -pointment in the scheme to shakedown Ukraine. which we should note is not a member of the European Union then in a fateful hateful twist? He became one of the only trump loyalists to testify to the impeachment committees. And when he did he lied he lied a lot in fact and when he didn't lie outright he had convenient lapses in memory he tried to walk on impossibly fine line where he acknowledged that. Yeah maybe maybe some people in Trump's orbit were up to no good and Ukraine. But he wasn't a part of it as for the President Silane said trump claimed the messy Ukraine business wasn't about quid pro quo at all. Republicans therefore placed a lot of stock in Gordon Sunlen. Unfortunately for them and for Sunlen he got caught and lying to congresses a crime so on Tuesday before Democrats disclosed his deposition. He filed an affidavit with the house. Claiming he had quote refreshed his recollection and not only was there a quid pro quo but he delivered it personally. No military aid. Unless Ukraine investigates trump's political enemies and announce it on television. Everyone knew the score because again sunlen had no official role in Ukraine but he does have a direct line to the president himself or at least he did for a long time. Now we've known that facts would overtake Republicans Quote Explicit Quid Pro quo redline. It was just a matter of when and that moment comet has arrived so where does that leave them. Lindsey Graham did the grownup equivalent of covering his hands with his is to make himself invisible he told. CBS that he would simply refuse to look at the evidence in Sunland sworn statements. How do you have a quid pro quo? When the person who is the subject of the pros didn't have read his transfer? Yeah but that's not all they're doing I they're laying the groundwork to acquit trump. Anyhow based on what's already known today I will say I'm pretty sure how it's likely to end if it worked today. I I don't think there's any question. It would not lead to a removal so the question is just. How long does the? I don't want to take second. They're trying their best to make sure. New information comes to light this week alone several key. Witnesses have defied their subpoenas including former national national security adviser John Bolton Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney and John Eisenberg the top national security lawyer at the White House then to scare any other honorable public public servants from coming forward. They're doing this. We also now know the name of the whistle blower. I say that I do the media. Do Your job and short. The plan is to do whatever it takes to hold the line. My guest today is quick. She slates legal writer and the host of the PODCAST amicus. She's here to help us. Answer some obvious but important questions. What else are they hiding? Why does as a matter and can they get away with it? I'm Brian Boiler and this is rubicon hey listeners. Congress is on recess until next week and our friends at indivisible are taking the opportunity to help you let your representatives know how you feel about impeachment. This is a really important window for citizens to show up at town. Halls thank impeachment supporters in Congress and Give Impeachment Opponents Aka Republicans a piece of their minds specifically. It's important to get constituents on video asking them do you think it's okay for president to ask a foreign country to interfere in our elections. If you want an answer to that question or I just WanNa Watch Republicans squirm go to impeach dot indivisible dot org for all the resources you need Dahlie Olympic welcomed Rubicon. Thank you for having me so I feel like this week. We finally reached the end of the kind of flow chart of of potential Republican. Defenses of Donald Trump. Right so I it was like quid. Pro Quo was there wasn't there And they tried to say there wasn't but it turns out yes in fact there was and and so then they switched tracks to okay. But it wasn't an explicit quid pro quo and then now we learn a less yes. It was an explicit. It was a quid pro quo and so the last path available to them was. There's nothing wrong with quid. Pro Quos if they're not corrupt which on the one on the one hand is like a very insulting to our intelligence thing for them to say because as Donald Trump and like Donald trump literally like has urged Congress to repeal the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. But then his lawyer Rudy Giuliani. Who who's now in his own criminal trouble gets on on twitter last night and he says I'm a private lawyer and everything that happened in Ukraine was because I was looking for the interest of my client And maybe the less said about rudy. He's the best but I but I think that's it I mean he's he's basically saying no. This was not done in America's interest it was done in my clients interests and I don't think that there's any other road would of defense on the on the material question of quid pro quo. Is that how you see it. I I think there's probably the Cherry on top to the the sort of ice cream Sunday you just constructed in that is Lindsay. Graham saying on Wednesday will it can't have been at quid pro quo because they're too incoherent to have fashioned fashioned one So I think that's the you know Nihilists Cherry on top where once you deny it then deny that it's a crime then suggests that everybody does it. I think you go with the Donald. Trump is too incoherent to ever be able to formulate a quid pro quo. Ask and I think with that Cherry on top. I think you've pretty much. Yes that's The Sunday. And I think that that's directly connected to the fact that Lindsey Graham also like like saying I'm not going to read any of these deposition transcripts because like right there in the most recent transcripts that have been released is trump's Donor and diplomat Gordon. Silencing I actually am the one who delivered the quid pro quo myself to the Ukrainians right. So so you know whatever Lindsey Graham wants people to believe the the the factual record you know that people have sworn to under oath is that we were in fact competent. Enough to put put together a quid pro quo and and and I'm the guy who delivered it and it and it it's there it's sworn testimony so I have two thoughts about this. That have been plaguing me this week and one to them. I guess has been plaguing me for two weeks Brian and that is. We're having a conversation as though this is like a mob investigation or a drug deal and I worry a lot About relying too much on. Does this fit a quid. Pro Quo definition for say a criminal bribery prosecution or if you're going after a mobster And and and the reason I worry is because it airlift's all of this out of the impeachment world which is doesn't have to be a crime I am doesn't have to be a federal statute that's broken and it allows us to get into these very. I think. Granular alert fights about. Does this meet the technical definition of a quid pro quo for purposes of a bribery statute where that has actually actually nothing to do with what the House is investigating and what the Senate will eventually try. And the only reason we which isn't to say I want to be super clear sure. It's not unbelievably significant that you know whether it's campaign finance statutes or bribery or Any kind of corruption that we're trying to ferret out here it's not it's not relevant. That crimes have been committed but I think that we have to be capitus and willing to say yes. This was a crime and also yes this bucket of abuse of power that the house is investigating in the the Senate will try doesn't have to fit the criminal elements of a bribery statute. And the reason I'm fussed about it a little bit is because it gets you very quickly. They go down the rabbit hole of due process. Right they start saying. Oh you know the whistle blower this is. The fruit of the poisonous tree. Tree is though. This is the search of glove compartment. That all of the all of the things that that flow from the whistleblower complaint or illegitimate. And so I'm trying to in my own head. Have these two buckets. Be Separate and say we can definitely have a conversation about sunland and Volker and Taylor in the quid pro quo. It's essential but it's also not the totality of what we're looking at. What we're looking at is a much much much? Broader in after widen aperture way out and look at abusive power and look at obstruction. The actual articles of impeachment and not to to let yourself get into a slap play with Lindsey Graham about whether he thinks it's corrupt quid. Pro Quo does that make sense what I'm saying. Absolutely yeah no I I. I think I hope that when we reach the passing articles of impeachment phase that they're not like highly wrapped up in what Gordon silence specifically testified to given he also lied under oath and Yada Yada. I think what Democrats are trying to I do is corner. Republicans to where they have to look ridiculous. They have to violate standards they set for themselves. They have to Maybe they just have to say we're good with this kind of corruption. But but they're trying to close off avenues of escape that I think Republicans hoped at the at the start of this. They might have. And I kind of think that. That's why Lindsey Graham is saying I'm just not gonNA look at the transcript like it sounds completely ridiculous but until he lands on something A little more sustainable. It's really all he's got and so once they're cornered then you can kind of zoom out a little bit and say okay so given that we've established the corrupt coercion At the heart of the scandal happen. What offenses of power our What abuses of power? Are we going to actually enumerate as charges against him and that can be everything from Bribery which is in the constitution. As a as a high crime and misdemeanor that the president should be removed from power for to To refusing to provide the the aid Congress appropriated which is illegal I mean the the we could draw a pretty long list I think. But but closing off That Avenue of escape for them I think what the purpose of Of this line of questioning the depositions and the release of the transcript says about I think that's trade and I think that given that public opinion suggests that Americans really understand and overwhelmingly object to the idea that appropriated traded funds that were designated to go to Ukraine to help them protect themselves from Russia. Were being held up In exchange for proclamations nations from the rooftops that the Biden's were being investigated for corruption and that the Ukraine ins themselves had Interviewed in the two thousand sixteen election. Action you're quite right. I think as a simple salable this is the story. We're gonNA tell people feel that that is a hinky thing that was done in so we're GonNa just keep telling that story. I do think you know that the interesting piece of this that Republicans both in the House and the Senate have resorted to in addition to to either the Lindsey Graham la La. I'm not listening and I can't. I'm not as a juror in this impeachment. Trial even going to read testimony but I think the other thing that is interesting is this. I'm rubber. You're glue defense. which is to just keep saying we're GONNA put Hunter Biden on trial? We're going to put the Biden's on trial. Bill bars collecting evidence. That's GONNA support this Wackadoo theory that it was not Russian interference but Ukrainian and interference. And so I think the thing to watch for is is there is almost perfect parody that they keep throwing sand into the gears here and saying oh no this is not about Donald Trump's corruption. This is about Joe Biden's corruption and this is not about Russian interference. This is Ukraine interference and the level of just deliberate Britt counter programming. So that you can just keep changing the subject back to Benghazi or back to whatever you know the scandal Du Jour is is. I think that's the other move here. And it means that you're almost in the split-screen world. Where if you really believe that the original sin here is Hunter Biden? You can really. I think. Make a lot of Hay especially with the assistance of Fox News and other conservative media. You can just keep telling this parallel story that the thing to watch here isn't Donald Trump in his quid pro quo. The thing to watch is the deep state right now. We have have Lindsey Graham making claims that Sawn Lind is a Democrat in it in the tank for the deep state So I think that that's the other thing that is confusing. That makes this different from Watergate. Is that at any given moment. We have to almost completely irreconcilable narratives being floated and the more more as you say the more pressure. Republicans in the House and the Senate find themselves under the more. It's like they're like a vending machine that they just have have to hemorrhage up Hunter Biden in response to everything and I think those deflections are of a piece with this. You know we're just GONNA keep saying there's no corrupt intent therefore no quid pro quo. The other thing is you're missing the real scandal. The real scandal is Jim. Komi and and Robert Muller and we all have to go to jail rate so you you think that that if the quid pro quo defenses are are all expired at this point that they will just double down on this sort of disinformation. What about is thing where? Okay fine you got our guy on the quid pro quo. But we're going to get you on. Peter Struck and Lisa page being Infanta lovers or whatever and just run with that. Yeah I mean. We're already hearing an awful lot of that. And we're hearing you know rightly or wrongly the House Republicans have been given a lot of power to call witnesses and to ask questions and to if they choose to Benghazi Fi. I know that's not a word. But if they choose to turn the hearings that are going to start next week into You know but enough about it Bill Taylor let's talk about You Know Hillary Clinton. I think that there's going to be a lot of that and I think that in some sense that ground has been seated for a long long time right. This is the almost the beating heart of the Roger Stone Trial trial right now is to just keep going back to the well of you know deep state and corruption. And if you knew what we knew about Bob Muller and FBI BI and the CIA. You would know that the real scandal is there and the fact that Rudy. Giuliani is out there. tweeting that That this is the real story in America. uh-huh is being distracted. I think is what differs from Watergate. I wrote a piece this week. Just pointing out that. By the end of the televised Watergate. Gate hearing seventy one percent of Americans across every political and ideological line said they were watching. You're never gonNA have that in two thousand nineteen and there is a sizable percentage of the population. That is always going to be absolutely convinced that. Jim Komi Amy is the sole bad actor in American Constitutional Democracy Right. Yeah I mean I do think you're right that even I like the media is so fragmented that that It will be hard for Democrats to to make these public hearings. Have the effect That some of some of them who who have living memory Watergate. Hope they will. Because the media has become so fragmented We we did some impeachment polling change research just just this week and It really kind of opened my eyes to how brittle in theory trump's grip on the presidency is or at least how how brittle it would be an absence of this vast effort to shield him from accountability and it it showed that Republicans like just Republican voters just overwhelmingly believe the Ukraine accusations are untrue And that's particularly the case with the Republicans who get all their news from Fox and then there's this other set A smaller set that basically accept the the true narrative of events but But they don't think it rises to the level of impeachment so from where I sit That maps really neatly onto the two main planks of the Republican approach that we've been talking about which is one keep lying about? What's known but then to obstruct the investigation so that no further damning details els come out And from my perspective that just puts the fact that this week alone several witnesses have defied subpoenas and Republicans have stepped up efforts to retaliate against the whistle blower. It puts all that into an even more sinister light right like this isn't just undifferentiated like throw whatever you can at the wall and hope could sticks it but it's it's actually a very deliberate strategy. I think you're absolutely right. And I think maybe the best most emblematic piece of evidence that goes to that is that we are still hearing about the whistle blower and that the list whistle blower is somehow illegitimate or or that the whistle blower who followed every single step to make sure that The reporting was done in a lawful way is is still being targeted and in fact outed in named in some quarters as though it were not the case that we've had multiple witnesses now testified to substantially the same facts that the whistle blower Alleged initially that the whistleblower you know remember in the first first weeks it was hearsay. The whistleblower wasn't in the room where it happens now. We have people in the room where it happened unequivocally substantiating those claims and instead out of reckoning with that we're going back and trying to crucify the whistle blower and I think that that is exactly the kind of obstruction that you're talking about and it's also oh a little bit attempt to razzle dazzle or rope a dope You know all the subsequent. Witnesses must be illegitimate because the whistle blower was illegitimate without without saying no all of these stories conform to the same narrative therefore we can now put the whistleblower aside. So I think you're quite right. I think there is a deliberate attempt to sort of pull the Jenga piece from the very bottom and make the whole thing. Come down and think of a piece with that is the implication that Gordon Sunland is somehow a secret Democrat who accidentally gave a million dollars to donald trump. I mean it's an attempt I think over and over and over again to go back to this initial narrative that there was something amiss with the whistle blower rather than reckon with the facts on their face Which says you say? I think points up a pretty clear unequivocal pattern of Attempting to get Ukraine to dig up upper research on the Biden so it it's pretty clear that that's the strategy and again I think you can even look at moving The phone call to a secret server that was not designed to hold things or simply embarrassing To the president. I think it's all part of this larger pattern and if I guess I would just say if you even think back to the molar report. So much of the Muller report was about people who who were told to obstruct and didn't abstract or told to do something unlawful and didn't do something unlawful. The the machinery of covering for Donald Trump's trump's bad acts or unlawful acts is such a huge part of the problem here and to me I guess one of the questions I wanted to ask Q.. Is I think it's fascinating that it's the foreign service that cracks I mean. I think there's something profound about the fact that it's the the foreign service who is coming in defying the White House's orders and saying we're actually no longer willing to be part of an apparatus that exists solely solely to protect donald trump from himself. Right also my my thought on that is that Y- he'd the the administration has only so much leverage Or just trump world in general the right has only so much leverage to bring to bear over. Somebody like Bill Taylor or or Lieutenant Colonel Vitamin But they can punish certain people right like they. I want it to be clear that like if you come forward to accuse trump something new or to bring new information to light We can can make your life hell in the case of the whistle blower like we can actually like threaten your physical safety And it makes me think. Ah I think that the same thing is happening or about to happen to Gordon. Solomon right is that like you will be punished for having confirmed the whistleblower account. Because you are the guy who was supposed to provide the doubt that we needed to say that. Okay like nothing that the whistle blower said was of course all of it has been true so far. And what the purpose of that is I think is on the one hand to to be able to if they can so doubt about what is already known but then separately is is to is to Ward off people like John Eisenberg. WHO'S A? He's a top White House national security Lawyer or John Bolton the former national security advisor or even Mick Mulvaney The the Acting Chief of staff that there's more to be learned about what happened here but we aren't going to let it come out and if you if you go to Congress and you tell them what else there is. No there will be punishment for you and I I feel like there's a danger here for Democrats in in wrapping this up before they get to some of those witnesses witnesses that they'll have this one aspect of the scandal neatly tied up in a bow. But we won't know from Eisenberg's say if it was common. Practice practiced put call transcripts on this classified server to hide abusive or embarrassing. Conversations trump had with foreign leaders. And we won't know. Oh from John. Bolton weather trump has more broadly corrupted foreign policy and we won't know from Mulvaney or any of his deputies weather whether trump directly ordered the Pentagon not to provide military aid to Ukraine which which is an impeachable crime on its own And and those are really important aspects of the story and if and the kind of details that I think if they became you know central to the narrative justice central as the as the question of quid pro quo is um would be really damaging to trump. I mean like the the the polling suggests that like if you just to abstract trump's name out of The question the scandal is like sixty percent of the public says. Yeah that's totally impeachable conduct and that's just about the the coercion. So that's what I think this is about is that is that the cover up remains ongoing. That's why trump has like drawn a line and said you know do. Do you know if if if you're on my side you don't go testify and we'll get your back on that and if Democrats sue to try to compel testimony. We'll have your back but if you don't we're gonNA ruin you you. That's that's where John Bolton is the natural experiment in all this right. I mean we thought I think two weeks ago you and I if we'd been having this conversation would have thought that the Gordon Sunland was on team trump in the construction ray that you've just put forth and I think he surprised everyone by trying to somehow. Wow Thread the needle and beyond team trump without implicating himself and the reason he correct this testimony. This week is because he had been implicated and I I think he goes in the bucket of people who yes. I was a trump supporter. But I'm not going to jail for the guy and I think you know what's interesting to me is watching John. Bolton Walton who similarly think is probably not willing to go to jail for Donald Trump and now has put it in the hands of the Federal Judicial branch to tell l.. Him It looks like Whether he has to testify or not. But I think that's going to be the the test of this theory that I think is correct correct which is look. Everybody is implicated right mick. Mulvaney is implicated bill bars implicated. Giuliani is beyond implicated There are so oh many players here. POMPEII OH. You know this is filtering down into the State Department into morale. They're into the Justice Department and and I think that at the heart of your question there is this. Do we go bigger. Do we go small thing that has been plaguing Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff Jeff since they announced since they announced the impeachment inquiry which is do we throw everything at him including emoluments including child separation in at the border including Corruption and stuff leftover from the Muller report or do we just narrowly focus it to Ukraine Ukraine and specifically this quid pro quo. And this ask and I think what you're raising your correct Tereza if you are thinking about the future of Democracy Chrissy if you're thinking about the norms erosion that we've lived with. It's not enough to go narrow right. I mean you want to know if all these people are implicated hated. I WanNa know what Mike Pence knew when he knew it. I want to know what Mike Pompeo knew and when he knew it and I think that the decision has been taken that. That's it's not the way to go here and that this isn't like Encyclopedia Brown time where we try to unearth all the corruption in gift. Were just going to go go with. How do we remove this one man from power? And I think it's it's disheartening. When you hear Oh you know? Jeff sessions is running for his old Senate Senate seat and Mike Pompeo wants to go back to Kansas and run for office. There is a very high possibility that all of these people are never tagged for anything. Anything much less For actually participating in what looks like a conspiracy and I think that the decision rightly or wrongly has been taken that all we can do is tell this one story as you say if you abstracted away from Donald Trump people understand and we are. We're not gonNA sleep in every bed actor and every bad act but it will have been enough to have done this and I and I can't answer for whether you go big or go small on in this because I'm not a political technician but I think you're absolutely right to deplore what is going to be left on the table. So here's where I come down on. I mean I I I met. I talked about this on episode one and I've been pretty clear in my writing to that I think that they should Like why in the aperture enough to include. If you're going to talk about a abuse of power to help trump in the election you should look at all the abuses of power. He's done to help himself personally. Right 'cause they they've been a pattern pattern of conduct of even if even if it's not all about the election or all about Ukraine lining your pockets versus getting help on your re-election election bid are are both forms of of self dealing in a way right but but the The it even even if you're not going to leave the four corners of Ukraine like I. I think that there are dots to connect within Ukraine that are going unconnected and like you mentioned. You mentioned Mike Pompeo like his role in all this has been kind of left to the side. Even though he's quite clearly implicated in has been caught lying over and over and over again And that and and I think that that's a mistake to in that. If you want to remove the man you need to get these numbers to move further right like. It's remarkable remarkable that half the country wants more than half. The country wants to remove this guy from office through impeachment power But you need that number to go a little higher if you're going to get Republicans to actually actually vote for it right and if you leave it at the quid pro quo and then let trump get everything everything else dumped into this other bucket. Ah of impeachable offenses which is obstruction right. Like like. We're going to impeach him for for conduct on the on the phone. Call everything that led up to it. And we're going to impeach impeach him for obstructing the investigation of that scheme where this ends up. I think is Republicans you know. TRY TO Finn this off as long as they can take on more and more water until they get to time to vote and they just decide okay. We're going to vote to acquit wit the president for both Ukraine thing and for obstructing Congress. And if that works it's like it's the end of oversight at least four Republican Presidents Right Because I don't think that after this is all over if Democrats ever get a toe hold on power our again that they're just going to be like well. Donald Trump got away with shutting down oversight altogether and and trying to nullify the impeachment power. And so on its own so we can just do the same thing and I wouldn't want them to write like as a liberal journalist. I don't think that that would be a good outcome. But if Democrats are insistent on going that route out they're going to leave stuck with this double standard before they've even tried to like compel John Bolton to to sit. Sit in front of the impeachment committees and say what he knows right like they have this inherent power in the house to compel these people to testify and some of them. Don't work in the executive branch anymore and if they reached the end of this line without without forcing the issue haywar not WanNa learn the full extent of the scandal but be the scandal. There's going to be put behind us. And they are going to have gotten away with the cover up and I worry about it. Frankly yeah I mean it's worrisome. I think it goes to this. Other point about Watergate that is in opposite to the present moment Watergate you know I I mentioned Endon and we talked about there was a set of undisputed facts that people consumed Through Media Media and came to undisputed conclusions across political lines the other part of Watergate that I think we forget about is that Republicans were on board award at some point and that at some point. Finding the truth was more important than Protecting your guy and I don't see any any evidence of that transpiring and so the most important thing you're saying and I think we forget this. Is that post Watergate. When there was a huge national reckoning about what went wrong and how to effectuation legislation and ethics rules that would prevent it from going wrong? That that was a bipartisan enterprise. Everybody came together and said this could never happen again. And I think you're so right to say when one side is saying saying this isn't happening now it isn't happening. Don't believe your eyes don't believe the testimony don't believe multiple layers of indisputable proof. It's not happening. You're never gonNA get a bipartisan effort to stop it from happening again. And this goes to my core core. Worry if we're going to be existential and sad which is that? I think institutions are breaking. And you've talked about the media. We've talked about the congress. We could talk about the courts but I think that part of the reason that So much of public opinion is sealed in amber and that there is a huge number of Americans who simply believe that Donald trump can do no wrong and has done no wrong. And that's not it to be dislodged is just because I think mistrust in the idea of fair and balanced journalism. mm-hmm is gone mistrust in the idea of government as a force for good in is gone and again I think so much of the lessons for me of the last few years ears. Are that a lot of things that we believed were rules or were. Traditions are just soft norms. That are gone right. I've got to leave it there. Air But everyone even non-lawyers should check out dollars podcast amicus and And thanks for being on Rubicon and I also hope you'll come back again. I would love to thank you for having me. That's it for this week But one thing I should mention before we go is that

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Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

31:32 min | 8 months ago

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"Hey Rubicon listeners. It's Bryan before we get started this week. I wanted to share the exciting news that I'll be writing a new weekly newsletter here could media. It's called big tent. It'll be all about the latest developments in the two thousand twenty campaign. How important they are and whether they'll change? What's at stake in this election? The first edition comes out next Friday January thirty first but you can subscribe describe today at crooked dot com slash big tent. I'm really psyched about this. So I hope you sign up and encourage people you know to sign up to a We're making it hard for you to say no we're making harvey to say I don't WanNa hear from these people. I don't WanNa see these documents since we're making it hard to make it easy for you. The president is on trial in the Senate but the Senate is on trial in the eyes of the American people people so far said to say I see a lot of senators voting for cover up. If we don't stand up to this. Today we will write the history of our decline with our own hand. The impeachment trial of Donald Trump has finally begun or has it in the most consequential sense what you've read is true. The trial of Donald Trump is underway. There's only one Senate preceding that will end Donald Trump's acquittal or conviction and this is what I mean though is should what we're witnessing in. The Senate really be called a trial and the answer is we don't really know yet in the wee hours of Wednesday morning on a purely party line basis. The Senate passed Mitch. McConnell's resolution establishing the rules as for this so-called trial. The vote was fifty three forty seven and over the course of the preceding thirteen hours. Those same fifty three Republicans rejected proposal little after proposal to bring the trial. Closer into alignment. With what the public demands of them they declined to subpoena witnesses. Like White House Chief of Staff Mick. Mulvaney Indian former National Security Adviser John Bolton they declined to subpoena all of the thousands of documents the trump administration withheld from the impeachment inquiry they he rejected procedural amendments that would have made the unfolding of the trial the scheduled the rules of evidence less tilted trump's advantage. What does that mean? In best case scenario it means we'll only see the testimony and documents that trump denied to the impeachment inquiry after senators have heard opening statements and unquestioned the impeachment managers in other words. The people who decide this case would only learn the full truth after the main presentations are over. That's the opposite of how real trial courts structure trials but to the extent that the main purpose of this impeachment is exposing the Truth and holding people countable for it the truth would still come out in a worst case scenario. We'll get nothing. Or were still trump slurs will introduce partial schol. cherry-picked misleading evidence while Senate Republicans vote to conceal the complete evidentiary record. So I'll history will call what we're watching the trial. How should we the public? Think about it. What if the Senate completes the trial in a way that plainly violates the oath senators take to do impartial justice if the public overwhelmingly believes a fair trial calls for the production of concealed evidence and the President's Party denies it and Muses Rob Power to quit the president? Anyhow what does it mean for the impeachment. Power what does it mean for the legitimacy of our whole constitutional system. What does it mean for the coming election? My guest this week is Harvard. Law Professor Noah Feldman. You might remember him from a recent house. Judiciary Committee hearing where he and other scholars placed the impeachment of Donald Trump in historical and constitutional context. He's also the host of the deep background podcast which applies that same same kind of context to other big stories of the day. We'll discuss the trial of Donald Trump's such as it is in such as it might be. I'm Brian Boiler and and this is Rebecca Noah Feldman welcomed Rubicon. Thank you for having me so I wanted to start about a month. Go I. You testified as an expert witness for Democrats that the Donald Trump's conduct constituted high crimes and shortly thereafter. The House passed the a two articles of impeachment But then when Nancy Pelosi was was sort of withholding the articles of impeachment for tactical advantage. You got some pushback for an article. You wrote arguing. That trump could contend that he hadn't actually been impeached Or the the impeachment wouldn't really be legitimate until Pelosi allowed the trial to commence. Is that a fair summary of that article. Yeah more or less. I would just say what I was saying is is that impeachment hasn't meaning under the constitution. It's the meaning that it's always had and the meaning is that the House of Representatives goes into the Senate and says you're impeached pitched and in the olden days. They did that by literally. Sending one person from the House to win over and stood at the bar of the Senate and said the words I m peach president so and so on behalf half of the House and in the modern day we do it by sending over official notice of the articles of impeachment but either way. That's when the impeachment happened so I was actually when I voted. I had no thought of getting anybody mad at me. I was just trying to clarify. That is what went impeachment actually takes place even though we have a tendency to say when the House votes. Oh He's been impeached and as I explained you know it's nothing wrong with your times. Writing trump impeach. They're using a shorthand. But that's because in every single instance until this the moment the House voted. They walked across the floor of the Capitol and delivered the articles or notice the articles to to the Senate. This is the first time they didn't do that. And so I just wanted to really clarify and my editor and I were very surprised when half a million people had something to say about it so I could not out about the various Arguments that you made in that piece probably all day But one thing. I took away from the pieces of whole. Was this idea of the sort of implicit contention that these powers in the constitution aren't defined only by the by the words that enumerate them or the consequences that follow when they're deployed but by more abstract notions of of legitimacy of public legitimacy Is is that what you were trying to convey. Is that how you see things things I think you're making a really profound point about the nature of legitimacy and I'm flattered that you attributed to me so whether it's yours or mine we can we you can put to one side. We can share the credit. But let me rephrase what I what I think is the case here what I hear you saying and I I think this is totally true. Is that when you follow the rules else. Then you can say what you've done is legitimate and that makes sense because if you think about impeachment is all about bringing down the president for not not following our most basic and most important rules. So if you're going to engage the special break the glass constitutional procedure for emergencies where the president has to be removed from office. And that's what impeachment is you better also follow the rules and you better do so in a way that's public so that everyone can. Cu following the rules so that the public will understand that there is legitimacy to what the government is doing that. It's not as president. Trump would have us think a coup. d'etat it's not as some observers would say just a vote of no-confidence no it's recognizing that when the president has broken our must basic norms. Something must be done and to do that. You better follow our most basic norms. So I wanted to apply this basic way of thinking to what's happening in the Senate now is. Is there a similar kind of argument. We could Apply to impeachment trial If if the house can vote to impeach a president without actually having impeached him can the Senate vote to end an impeachment trial without having actually tried to the president. Doc I think the analogy that you draw is a great one and my short answer is yes. We should make that same set of arguments bottom line. The constitution says that it's up to the house was to impeach. And then it says that it's up to the Senate to try to hold the trial and if you don't have witnesses most eight people would conclude that you haven't really had a trial. And that's first of all borne out by what people are saying in response to pollsters to polls have shown large majorities of Americans close to three quarters saying call witnesses because trial. But it's also borne out by the history of how impeachment impeachment trials have always been done in every impeachment trial we've ever had and not just the two presidential impeachments doesn't plus Judicial impeachments that we've had in in the last few hundred years there have always been witnesses often. A whole bunch of witnesses and that's because trial involves gathering evidence and not just relying on evidence that comes from somewhere else so if the Senate doesn't do that even if it could say well technically we're the jury where the judge we shows by a fifty one to forty nine voter. What have you not to call witnesses? The public will understand that there hasn't really been a genuine and legitimate intimate trial. And that is you know. Sorry go ahead no no no Continued for that. I think would be a major consequence for the country. If that's indeed what the Senate does and you can see this going to ways. If the Senate does in fact here witnesses then regardless of the outcome it will engaged in a legitimate procedure. If it doesn't hear witnesses than lots of people will say you didn't do it right and the constitutional system impeachment engagement is broken so I want to try to pinpoint where along the line as best we can anyway This trial process us. can transform from an exercise in raw power politics to something that that we as the citizens should should view is as legitimate right like the text of the Constitution doesn't technically the Senate to conduct trial at all or try every article of impeachment that the the House passes But the rules of the Senate do and every time. The House has passed articles of impeachment against the president or a judge or another officer. A trial has followed So I think that. In the extreme case rate if Mitch McConnell and fifty one of his members voted to change precedent and just not convene the trial. Then no you you know other than other than some very partisan people nobody would legitimately or honestly be able to say that trump had been acquitted. There has to be the beginning beginning of some kind of proceeding for on the other end of it Anyone to claim vindication. Yeah and can I push back on the premise just a little bit. You're right short in the provision of the Constitution Russian that gives the Senate the power to try impeachments. It's given the power. It doesn't formerly. Say they have the obligation but remember that the House has has the sole power to impeach and remember that at least as I believe. Impeachment isn't just the vote impeachment is going into the Senate and prosecuting the case so if the Senate blocked the house from actually appearing in prosecuting its case there's an argument to be made. I'm not saying it's a knock-down argument but there's an argument to be made that that would actually robbed the house of its power to impeach because if the House says we show up an impeach in the Senate says yeah no you don't. We're not listening wing arguably the impeachment power has been the houses impeachment power smits substantially undercut. Broadly speaking. I do I do agree with what you're saying. I think that that if the Senate just ignored the charges did not deliberate did not hear arguments of any kind then formerly we could say the president had not in fact been been cleared. That said you know they could do that as you as you pointed out. That's within the Senate's defacto power. They could do that that in the real world. They're not doing that. They are a very minimum hearing arguments from the house managers and they're going to hear arguments as well from Donald Trump's lawyers and then there will be questions that the senator in writing so those procedures are happening. The big question is you and I are speaking is whether they will also be witnesses right. And so you know in that extreme scenario Gavin Vote to acquit gavel. Out You know basically nothing nothing else also It would be reasonable in in In the same way that an impeachment hasn't been consummated interview until the house presents the articles the Senate it would be legitimate for the for the house to contend the that it had The case is not actually been tried eve- even if the only formal requirements of the Senate Senate had some technical way in met. Yeah and you know depending on how much you and your listeners like the inside baseball there's only only one there's only there's only one instance all the way back in seventeen ninety seven where the Senate ah dismissed an impeachment charge and in that situation. They did it. Because the house impeached a senator and the senator then was expelled from the Senate and the senators got together after this the house was ready to keep on impeaching ready to prosecute the impeachment and the Senate got together gather and there were two arguments against going forward one was that the guy's not a senator anymore so it's over but the second was that under the constitution. It's not at all clear or that. Senators are civil officers. Who can be impeached? And so the Senate voted to dismiss the impeachment on the grounds that as it put it it didn't have jurisdiction which is just the technical illegal word for saying it didn't have any power to proceed. Now they didn't say whether that was because the guy was a senator which is what most people think today or because he had already been expelled from the Senate they just said. We can't go forward award but that's the only time it's ever happened. And some people have said ever since that means there can be a vote to dismiss in the Senate and you know Democrats were the ones who wanted devote to dismiss in the Senate. When Bill Clinton was being impeached? My own view is it doesn't follow from that case that it's clear that the Senate can just dismiss a case. They did it but that was because they had no authority they were sort of saying. You came to the wrong place and this is the wrong guy if there's a legitimate charge against a legitimate commit subject if impeachment. I'm not all sure that the Senate can justifiably are legitimately just dismiss. So I want to get to the the the question of of of of how important hearing testimony Feeling evidence is to always in a second But maybe next step along this Along the spectrum. What about a trial whose rules have been written by a party leader who promise not to be an impartial juror? promised to work hand in glove with the president. Who'd been impeached? All of this in defiance of his to relevant oats just ignoring ignoring for a second in the content of those rules what does it say about the legitimacy of a trial that has been kind of architect it by somebody buddy who has has taken those steps. Well it looks terrible and it's definitely under the legitimacy and the way majority leader Mitch. McConnell has tried to address address. That problem is to say that he's GonNa follow the precedent of how the trial was done in the Bill Clinton case his initial proposal deviated in at least four clear. Ways he then amended that so that it deviates in really two crucial ways still pretty different but his attempt to invoke the precedent of the Clinton trial is his attempts to say. And don't worry it's fair even though I drafted these on my own and got my my majority to to ram them through. So yeah it's a it's a problem. I don't know that it's a problem. That's so deep as to completely illegitimate the process. But it's genuinely a challenge. Okay so let's turn away from from the constitutional design question and talk about actual president the particular rules that McConnell ultimately stop the his fifty three members voted to adopt. They structure the trial kind of backwards from. I think what we would imagine. happens in most Trial courts to maybe maybe possibly compel testimony and evidence after the main presentations are over What would what? Let's say about the legitimacy of this impeachment trial if it ends as the first in history where a bear partisan majority voted to shutdown down all fact-finding hear from witnesses seek no concealed documents. So I want to draw a distinction between two different points that are embedded in what you said. The first is that the order is a little weird from the standpoint of ordinary trial. And that's mostly true but you have to be fair and keep in mind that there are plenty any of trials this start with opening statements from the prosecution and the defense and although these are long opening statements three days each a total of twenty hours on each side. That part is an altogether bizarre. The idea that you would start with opening statements isn't so weird the second point you made which I strongly agree with is that it. It'd be very very strange. If then after that opening statements that's the whole Ballack's then it's over and there's no attempt to call witnesses that to my mind would really he not look like a trial to most people because there would be no process of presenting evidence and seeking to get the truth through the presentation of that evidence which is what we're accustomed to seeing trials. It's very close to the core meaning of what the word trial is. And so if they don't do that then I think there's going to be a big asterisk besides the beside the the story of the trial in the trump case so on on the point you made about opening statements the year that you're the lawyer among the between the two of us but you know in in In the opening statements. I've heard it's not uncommon for prosecutors. Say Xay and you will hear from a witness who will say you know X.. or You will. We will talk they. They preview totally Right and and the prosecutors were in effect limited to In a loose analogy. Only the You know they. They couldn't tip their a hand about things that weren't necessarily in in what the evidentiary cash came out of the grand jury investigation Nearly can't do in a court case. I mean it's complicated because in an ordinary trial. You're totally right. Excuse me let me do that again. It's complicated because in ordinary trial. You're completely right that the prosecutor would say and you will hear evidence that one thing. The prosecutor can't do in a trial title because it's not lawful is to say in the opening statement in front of the grand jury the witnesses already said thus and such and so therefore the guy is guilty because you can't in ordinary trial refer to evidence that was gathered outside of the trial. The whole principle of due process of law is that the evidence has to be brought to bear right there in front of the jury. So that's not what happens in ordinary trial at all the prosecutors here. The house managers had no choice but to do that because they may not have a chance to call any witnesses but they did have more leeway than an ordinary prosecutor would because they can refer freely to all of the evidence that was gathered in front of the House House which you could not do it in a criminal trial. The Way I think about all this is that there are signals the Senate can and has in the past provided to indicate to the public. I guess that the trial outcome ref would reflect impartial. Justice like one is through. Consensus is if if senators agree on the trial rules. One hundred zero like they did in the in the Clinton case. That's a pretty strong indication that the Senate believes it's equipped to to render judgment fairly and another. would be like the completeness of the record you know if the question is has it received or sought all the information it needs to make decisions about guilt. Answer's yes that's a pretty strong indication that the public whether they're happy with the outcome or not should treated treated as legitimate. Yeah you're right and I know what you're saying which is completely true and correct raises a really fascinating question to me which is is given that the Republicans in the Senate no they ninety nine percent likelihood have the votes to vote not to remove Donald Trump from office purpose and given that they could get the legitimacy you're describing by having farrow and agreed upon procedure and then listening to the witnesses and then voting. Why aren't they doing it? I mean that really is a hard question and I don't mean to ask that in some. You know purely rhetorical by saying. Why aren't they doing that? I'm trying to force them into doing it. I'm actually asking a genuine question. What is it that they're so concerned about? I mean if John Bolton testifies and says his worst do we. I really think that that's GONNA move enough senators to change the outcome to get us to a two thirds majority necessary to remove Donald Trump. I would be stunned if that were the case. Yes so I mean. Imagine the worst thing that John Bolton can say yes I went into Donald trump and I told him. This violates national security and it's an impeachable offense and he said to me I don't care you know I wanna get reelected Ima- imagine that that was the testimony. Do we really believe that would get us. Two thirds majority of centers. I kind of don't and so I don't don't really understand at a deep level. Why the Senate majority is taking the risk of the whole trial being seen as illegitimate? Unless you think that the the answer is that they are so committed to the idea that the whole process is illegitimate. They're so committed to Donald Trump's narrative. The whole impeachment is as he keeps on saying a hoax. Folks you know fake that they think there's nothing wrong with doing it their way as a hoax and as a fake and then they'll just say yeah well they did a hoax. We did a hoax. I do think that Jr on a cer- like working on a on a completely different plane that there is something important about trying to get Congress to win in this basic question of whether these people have to testify whether these documents have to be produced in an impeachment that's in part about obstruction of Congress that that whether it has any bearing on how the senators ultimately vote or if senators enters ultimately vote to acquit on charges. Anyway I if this process ends with the obstruction both having been You know Attempted and then be having been successful and see he gets acquitted. Anyway that's just a roadmap for future presidents to engage in wholesale cover-ups like this and I mean maybe that's Maybe that's a kind of argument that that the house managers should be making about. Why testimony is important even though there's already enough to convict But that's one thing that's actually worried me about how what's going to happen if they get to the end of all this they Vote not to hear any more witnesses see anymore documents and then quit and then I have you know in a in a trial that was about obstructing congress in part. That's a great point and I'm also worried about that. You know one thing that I have been saying. All along about the obstruction of Congress articles of impeachment is the reason you know that it was appropriate to impeach the president as if Congress starts impeachment inquiry in the present. stonewalls says. I'M NOT GONNA cooperate in the end. The only remedy left that saves us from a presidency. That's completely above. The law is impeachment. Like that's the only thing you can do if you're the house right you say you're gonNA impeach and and the President says I won't cooperate you know you can't go to the courts and compel it not realistically and frankly it's entirely possible that the courts would've said not our problem impeachment is your soul power. Not Ours is an all you can do is to impeach under those circumstances and if you know the president is then nevertheless. LS Not removed from office. It does send that message as you say that the president can just get away with it. And that's very worrisome. For the basic structure basic structure of our government. Some future presence might not want to be impeached and I will say that. The second article of impeachment was unnecessary from the president's perspective. Active he could have fought the individual witnesses one at a time without announcing in that grand way that he did that he wouldn't cooperate in any way and if he had done that he would have escaped that second article of impeachment. So you know that was I would call that an unforced error. I actually think he was an unforced error that should be attributed it at least in parts of the White House counsel who wrote that letter and signed that letter and who is now defending the president so apparently the president doesn't think it was an error because he's relying on the same guy right now to defend him. That's a separate question. Like why is that. Okay but bottom line there is a serious serious danger that if president think they can get away with two stonewalling that the congress congressional power to impeach will just eroded to nothing. Let's let's wind down on on that point because I think think it's right to say this will be the first time the Senate has used it so power to try impeachment to conceal rather than consider evidence period. Right I think so. Oh Yeah I mean. I can't think of any prior example. Where they're where they're not trying to get witnesses not trying to get more information so just taking it as a given that impeachment supporters and Democrats and you know hopefully a growing list of people as time goes on Talk about it that way and try to leave an asterisk next to this trial l.. What will the consequences for the impeachment? Power be going forward or can we even say anything about that before the next election. We'll as you say. The election is hugely significant and we will interpret events in light of that election after the fact even if there's no good hard scientific reason to think they ought to be so. If trump is not removed from office as seems probable and is then reelected right we end the judgement of history will be boy. Impeachment has completely lost the Umph that historically had you know the idea that you know bill. Clinton's legacy was seriously tainted anted by impeachment. The idea that Richard Nixon resigned rather than being a running the risk of being impeached not just removed but but impeach that will look like a a very faint relic of a of a lost time if on the other hand trump is not convicted and then loses in the election even if he would have lost the election anyway. You know people will say well you see. Impeachment is vindicated. Maybe you weren't able to remove the president from office but the taint of impeachment was so significant that it had an impact on the presidential election. And we'LL WANNA tell ourselves that story because we want to legitimate our existing institutions creaky old constitution. You know two hundred and twenty five plus plus years old and there's a way in which you know no other country in the world still runs its affairs in this way since we enacted our Constitution. France has been through five reboots right Francis on what they call their fifth republic. That's their five point. Oh their version. Five point oh of their constitution at a time that we're still stuck doc with basically the same thing although with you know at the reconstruction amendments added in but when it comes to impeach him. We've got the exact same creaky thing we've already had always had and it's possible that it just doesn't work anymore and that's something that's painful but we need to confront that reality. I want to offer you a close on on a happier. Thought of you have on for for listeners. Or if if there's any sort of optimistic side to how you you see these events playing out well there is. There is because right right now whether you and I are speaking. We're we're in the middle of events and I think you know it's appropriate for us to be honest. I think you've been and I'm trying to be also about the genuine threat to structure of our institutions that exists but we are not speaking right now at a point where those institutions are destroyed. You know the president of United States took actions agency that to my mind at least are clearly at the core of what the framers thought should be impeachable and he was impeached. So in that sense offense. The institution is working correctly as we speak. The institution is working correctly in that impeachment occurred. The trial may insert raised illegitimate the non-removal of the president. If that's what happens in certain ways be a legitimate. They're all these problems they're real. We've been talking about them but it remains possible still that our democratic institutions will be robust enough to save us. You Know Donald Trump could lose the next election and then we will be able to tell ourselves with some credibility we got through it. You know our long national nightmare there will then in some way over. We shouldn't be naive about it. Even if that happens we should go back and look at what we can do better but that is still a possible outcome. And I don't think think we should forget that either. So we're not. I don't think our conversation has been all doom and gloom. We're in the middle of things identifying genuine meaningful risks but those risks. It also may be resolved in a way that is healthy for democracy and actually vindicates our institutions rather than revealing them to be failures. That's the note I want to end on Everyone should go check out new episodes of Noah's podcast deep background starting February fifth No thanks for coming on Rubicon. Thank thank you so much for having me. That's it for this week by next week. We should have settled. The biggest outstanding question about the legitimacy of this trial will republicans have voted voted to allow the Senate to see new evidence or not that will be perhaps the most fateful vote of Donald Trump's presidency. And whatever happens we should all be watching closely closely. This show is produced by crooked media. It's written and hosted by me Brian. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and review us. Wherever you get your podcasts uh?

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Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

32:59 min | 10 months ago

The Choice

"That's the problem when you move towards impeachment on this abbreviated schedule. That has not been explained to me. Why why you want to set the record for the fastest impeachment today? I'm asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment. Fast is not good for impeachment when the impeachment of Donald Trump again it was supposed to be an ambush. Yes the Ukraine. Investigators would lead the charge because Ukraine shakedown was such an explosive scandal. But while the House Intelligence Committee took the lead on that matter a bunch of other committees would pile on trump with their own investigations. Here's house speaker. You're Nancy Pelosi back in September for the past several months. We have been investigating in our committees and litigating in the courts so the house can gather all the relevant element facts and consider whether to exercise its for Article One powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity approval the articles of impeachment today. I'm announcing the House of Representatives. Moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry. I'm directing are six committees as to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella. Those six committees included the ones with jurisdiction over trump's conduct towards Ukraine of course but they also included some outliers the ways and Means Committee which writes an overseas tax laws financial services which oversees well the financial services industry for a moment. It seemed as if Ukraine would be just the tip of the impeachment spear the oversight committee had been investing trump for pocketing federal and four dollars in violation of the Constitution's emoluments clauses financial services. Wanted to know whether trump had laundered money through his private businesses. The ways and Means Committee had requested trump's tax returns turns and his administration had violated a law requiring the IRS to turn them over the idea. Was that these committees would invested widely aggressively. And then when they they were done they'd all submit their findings to the judiciary committee which would bundle them into articles of impeachment fast. Forward to December Pelosi has now instructed did members of the Judiciary Committee to begin drafting articles of impeachment. But they've only received one report. Today we transmit The report Lord of the Work of Three Committees Intelligence Committee the Oversight Committee as well as the foreign affairs committee into the president's misconduct with respect to Ukraine crane that was intelligence committee chairman. Adam Schiff his report on the Ukraine scandal makes a slam dunk case for trump's impeachment but it also raises more questions than answers as I mentioned. We continue investigate whether the scheme began earlier than expected whether the scheme also involved the blast president of Ukraine and if we do and cover additional evidence and we do learn more every day we will feel free to file supplemental reports to the Judiciary Committee so instead instead of fielding multiple recommendations from multiple committees and weighing the evidence of high crimes. The Judiciary Committee will proceed based on the findings of one investigation which is still technically ongoing in other words. Things haven't gone exactly as they were supposed to this week. Some of the most preeminent constitutional scholars scholars in the country testified that trump's conduct easily exceeds the threshold of impeachment even the witness Republicans invited to defend trump agreed that his conduct what is arguably impeachable. Call was anything but perfect but the problem is that you have so many witnesses that have not been subpoenaed so many witnesses that we've not heard from that was Jonathan Within Turley of George Washington University. His only real point was the Democrats would set a bad precedent by not pulling all those dangling threads I holding out for testimony and evidence trump has tried to conceal. You know who disagrees Jonathan Turley Donald Trump on Thursday. He tweeted. I say if you're going to impeach teach me do it now fast so we can have a fair trial in the Senate and so that our country can get back to business. You know who else disagrees Democrats. Here's Adam Adam Schiff again there is. I think rivers to the country with waiting until we have every last fact when we already know enough about the president's misconduct to make a responsible judgment about whether we think that's compatible with the office of the presence terraced trump wants to be over as soon as possible and so do Democrats even to the point of voting out articles of impeachment the week before Christmas. But here's the thing when it comes to what's best for the political fortunes of Donald Trump. The Guy who committed all of these impeachable offenses only one of them can be right. Who's right it's kind of an important question? So we've invited vited Matthew Miller back to see if we can't answer it and to sort through all of these fast moving developments I'm rambler and this is Rubicon. Hiring is challenging. But there's there's one place you can go. We're hiring a simple fast. And Smart and growing businesses connects to qualified candidate cafe. 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ZIPRECRUITER RECRUITER DOT com slash Rubicon. That's ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. ARE YOU BE I. C O N Matthew Athey Miller welcome back to Rubicon glad to be on the Rubicon Cross Connor in in the Rubicon at the right answer is a river a half way you drown so kind of a lot's happened since our first show And so let's do a quick rundown of the latest I. The Intelligence Committee completed its report on the Ukraine investigation. And for the most part. That report. recapitulated what we've learned in the in the two weeks of hearings but there for some new developments What was the significance of that report? As far as you're concerned so I I will say two things I think just as the work product it was incredibly incredibly well done well. Written told a clear story backed it up with with supporting facts Actually have a piece coming in the post about How good a work product is compared to the mullahs report and on such a short adult? Now now it wasn't like the hearings ended and then they started writing the staff for the committee other committees. I'm told especially the oversight committee. Were writing that report while Intel was conducting the hearings so they were working on it for a while but still incredibly fast. Compared to the Muller team took forever and that report had a lot of evidence but in some ways was indecipherable. At least on the main collusion's I thought so. I thought it was is a historic both historical document and kind of persuasion document. Right now tells the story about what trump did Why why it's important to act now and then I think really critically explains the founders of concerns about factionalism and what that means if once if there's a faction that won't accept truth obviously Shiva's talking about the Republicans there what that means? There's a great document. The other piece of it was this. You know the a bit of news in that where they had subpoenaed the call records. Clearly they haven't said this but clearly they have subpoenaed the call records of Giuliani left. Parnasse and first first of all. That is the first time that I know of where. Congressional Committee Has Subpoenaed Third Party call records pretty aggressive step. Dan Goldman the former prosecutor. WHO's running running investigation and clearly that you would do as a prosecutor but committees? Just don't do that so good for him for doing it. But the fact that those showed not not just the all the contacts with the president right before key elements in the plot but that Ding Devon Nunez up for being on the phone with this indicted individual left Parnasse A nice moment For someone who deserved it so this yes so couple of questions about the revelations One on about Devenue Nes- The the vice chair. The Intelligence Committee being implicated seemingly in the Terry Scheme that that the committee was investigating. They had those if that was him on the phone answer. Maybe he doesn't remember. Pick whatever but you know if if you if you read closely they had those phone records way before the public hearings and was why not put that out there early when you when everything's real hot and you can maybe four seven newness to recuse himself instead of letting him in to the to the investigation having full full awareness of what was happening behind the scenes Allowing them to question witnesses and and and so on it was there some advantage to to waiting until it was all over and then being surprised we knew all along that the Republicans lead investigator was compromised. So I actually actually think there was. Look you can argue both ways and I can see it both ways if you had had revealed that before the the hearings it would have been nice talking point to use against Devon Nunez. That said there's no way to force him to accuse it's not like working at the Justice Department where there are clear. Regulations that that Komo define when you have to recuse. That's not really true and Congress. There's no reason he has to recuse and I doubt he would have recused so it's been good talking point but that's all it would have been. I actually think there was something pretty useful about saving it so there was some news in that report because otherwise the report would have been just a recitation of everything we learned breath the hearings a very compelling one but just a recitation and you know how the press is they need something new to drive a new cycle and this was a pretty good new fact to drive live news cycle this week and the other fact that I was going to ask you about is that it's not just a Giuliani was talking to the president which you know we know it's it's not on the level but in theory Giuliani's lawyer and you might expect him to talk to his client a fair amount but that he was on the phone with the office management and budget. Tom Which I mean. We don't know but this it seems like this was the drug deal with Mulvaney right like and you know it's it's dismantling fact and it's totally inappropriate for the president's private lawyer to be talking to the head of the office that determines whether the money need the congress appropriated Ukraine goes out as scheduled And now it's just hanging out there and we're not gonNA. Yeah I mean I I. I don't know how you would figure it out unless you know. Look whenever you get call records this Meta data tells you which two phones were connected A little a bit Nunez's defence. We makes us joke remember. It doesn't actually tell you that the person who owns the phone right had the you know made that call and they were they only said that it was an NBA connected number. They obviously what they have. Are they have the ten digit number. They know what number it is. I presume they've called it and try to see who answer answers but but they may have some uncertainty about who it is on the other side of that but either way you don't know what it is they talked about and you'll never know what it is. They talked about unless you subpoena that those individuals digitals and make them come in and talk and then you get an answer to plead the fifth in the. Yeah that's right. They plead the fifth or look or just I don't recall. Yeah exactly but in any case I guess for me. These new facts in the report did exactly what you you know now. would predict it would do because the media is so hungry for new developments is the is that nearly all the attention from the press about about. The report didn't go to the to the narrative recitation of the facts. But to the new information and it is if that's just how the public processes information because that's how gets farmed out to them by the media. What does that tell you about how the process should be conducted going forward? I mean I mean unless ship is sitting on a series of bombs bombshells. And he's GonNa parcel them out At regular intervals. Intervals don't isn't there like extraordinary value in trying to ferret out new information. Yeah there absolutely is I. I actually think One of the the mistakes I do think they've made is even if you were going to do a fast impeachment which I know you disagree with but let's say yeah we'll get usually we're going to do a fast impeachment. I would have pushed forward concurrently Louis in the courts to get Bolton to get Kupperman to get Mulvaney to get these other witnesses It doesn't seem likely that you would get a final ruling before the impeachment inquiry is over and probably before the vote in the Senate occurs. But you don't know that there's no there there is it seems to me little harm and pushing. Now get the get out the door maybe just pulled a contempt value. Don't need to hold the process hostage. That's right now. I think what they would tell you. The harm is so they didn't draw judge. They liked judge. Leon is not the best possible judge they could have gotten. I think there were a little worried about getting an adverse ruling on the subpoena. And so you get a adverse ruling in the courts on your ability to enforce that subpoena you can appeal it but you've got a bad headline on the downside whereas the upside for you is so remote the chance at your testimony before the inquiry is over. I think that's the the risk reward calculation they made but but what I'm hopeful is that at some point they'll go back. Let's say impeachment ends says by February tenth or whatever the the it's over in the presents survived if that's what happens that they go back to the well and try to enforce those subpoenas. I mean 'cause 'cause of John Bolton hearing it's pretty good in August of next year September Berg next year I hear you so I a couple of things one is that there's this idea that maybe in the Senate trial witnesses who are reluctant to testify. The House will be compelled to testify before the Senate Maybe I don't know maybe but also by the way I if if I am Adam Schiff there's no way I'm John Bolton at the Senate when you have no idea what you WanNa talk. There's the risk is is he comes in and he spoils is your whole case right The other thing is is that like if I think that the the sort of unspoken advantage just getting the subpoenas out the door even if you're not sure what the rulings are going to be as the process plays out. Is that if you if. There's a dozen people that you could subpoena and one of them just wants to look reluctant to say that. I wasn't going to testify. But then they held in contempt. Whatever the person to come in I mean It's it's not inconceivable to me that that there's a universe of people out there who are either undecided about testifying kind of want to don't want to pure willing so they'll just wait until they can say that they were compelled and without without sending those subpoenas. Eighteen is out the door you just You'll never know And I guess we'll never know so. The Intelligence Committee passes This possibly possibly incomplete report to the Judiciary Committee which in turn invites some constitutional lawyers to kind of hold a seminar about what impeachment is what exists exists and whether it's warranted in this case. That hearing was Wednesday was it useful. Exercise unnecessary exercise or was it is just something that they did. Because that's how it's always been done. Yeah look I think that it was probably a useful exercise for the historical record. Less useful for shaping the narrative now But I do think for the historical record you need to have two pieces a complete two pieces. One is the factual record and shifted. That and shift is gonNA come on Monday. And present the factual record or at least counsel for the intelligence community are GONNA come and present the factual record to judiciary the second pieces. You needed to lay Out For the record. Some some testimony that the president's conduct fit the definition of an impeachable offense as the founders envisioned it it and as we ought to envision it today and I think they got that on the record whether that's a useful exercise for shaping public opinion. I'm somewhat skeptical. Although all the cable networks works carrying all an all day hearing of constitutional scholar saying that what the president did is clearly impeachable. I think there is some value in that. Not Probably not doesn't move with the needle a ton but I think there's some value so I've done my best throughout the show to ignore every dumb debate about optics or pizzazz or whatever But I do wonder whether weather Democrats would have been able to drive the point. You're making home a little bit better if they'd invited. If invited some conservative lawyer like George Conway Layer Charles freed or whoever To to advocate for impeachment as like a reluctant. You know I'm not here because because I'm a partisan Democrat AH impeach impeaching. Republican president is good for my party. It's this is terrible for my party. We have to do it anyway. Yeah I totally agree. I thought to know I I thought one and a half of the three witnesses they called. Were good maybe two out of the three witnesses. The Democrats called were were good one. Very good one okay. One sort of not so great. Great I don't know why they didn't find a spot for conservative. It would have added a lot. More half than would have been someone would have been unassailable because and there are plenty of them. Lots of them out there. Okay so when you were here last. Your view was that Democrats quick and dirty impeachment plan was a shrewd play. If you'RE GONNA go for removal then you you. You make a clear cut case on a narrow controversy a new and you run it as hard as you can. Donald trump also supports quick and dirty impeachment. Now that he knows that he can't avoid being impeached. So has your view changed and if not why are you right and trump trump wrong about what is what what a way to phrase it so I have two views depending on which hat I put on my head. So I've I've kind of oscillated my career back and forth between kind of political hack and at times inside the government doing it very very weighty like has just far very weighty job you don't think about politics at least partisan politics And look if I if I'm GONNA take the the the kind of what's what's the of right approach sort of under the constitution. I come down with the argument. That shift made in the preface to to the report. He released this week which I thought was very well articulated that the threat that trump poses I is urgent and and duty on members of Congress to respond to that threat is urgent and they oughta move quickly and implicit in that is if the members of the Senate aren't willing to do their duty well so be it that's on them and they can take that up the voters and they can take that up with history but we're going to do our duty because the threat is he's out here interfering fearing with the election right now and he's not GonNa stop and so we have to try to remove him right away If I put on my partisan political hat I think think look the Democrats power. This is a case you've made is in. The courts is strongest when they have an impeachment inquiry open their ability to command. Public focus is high is highest when they have impeachment inquiry open. Why not let the single on for three or four months and keep the focus on trump's bad behavior and and by the way that is exactly what House Republicans would do? They viewed their majority as the You know a kamikaze mission to sink the Democratic nominee money for President Hillary Clinton and it worked it worked like the only reason. All the Komi stuff was ever happened was because of stuff that maybe there is And so I definitely see that argument for it. I do still come down that they autumn. You know. I think they're kind of too far along long to stretch it out now and I do think there's value to just doing the Ukraine crane piece as a discrete piece on its own but then what can what has to happen afterwards. If they're going to do that is it can't just be then going back to the kind of ineffective oversight they were doing for the nine months leading. How do you how do you make that? Trump just been acquitted for the most thoroughgoing obstruction of Congress in in history. Appoint Shift himself made. This has never happened before. Even Nixon allowed more people testify than trump has trump wants to zero people. Oh and then and then he's going to be impeached for it. An acquitted for it so of course just going to go back to that. He knows that it's now allowed. And you know I. It's it's where this all falls apart for me is yes in theory. Of course like trump is an emergency and If this were like a real prosecution you move with Alacrity Point I think he made on twitter to To to indict so that you can get that person get him off the street so the harm to the public is is minimized and the only way that analogy fits together. The other with with impeachment is if Republicans are in agreement such that you can get sixty seven votes. Remove him if not. It's kind of the opposite. Is it right like The once he's acquitted he's going to be at the sort of apex of his invincibility or whatever and and it's really as long as Republicans aren't on board. It's the it's the Cudgel of impeachment the cer- maybe maybe he keeps him in line right. The fact that he's under investigation is both good for Democrats politically because it keeps the media's attention focused on his broad corruption but it also seems to be the thing that causes him to stop committing crimes right like it's why he pulled the plug on the Ukraine. Extortion is because because he got caught and he wants. The impeachment is behind him. He can recreate an environment where it's very difficult to catch him doing anything there. It's interesting it's by the way I think it's why he kind of backed down on his Turkey policy as quickly as he did. It was winning. Impeachment was all breaking and it was. He thinks someone was smart to tell l. him that you're asking Republican senators to carry too much and these are the people that are GonNa GonNa vote on your impeachment. Look I it is a good argument. He's a hard problem to solve Short of removal. That all the options I think are imperfect and and I think he will without a doubt. As soon as this is over be back committing similar crimes Feel emboldened by it. I think the one the the one I if we talk about pure this from a purely partisan perspective one thing. I didn't mention earlier. One of the arguments I think for going with the the most narrow case that you know polls really well and the public is squarely behind is it makes it. It makes it the most difficult local case for Susan Collins. Cory Gardner Thom Tillis all these people who are probably GonNa vote to acquit him in the Senate maybe Collins will do something else the rest of them I think are are going to And you then have a long election period to beat them over the head with it and I do think think it is. I know this whole argument about no nothing matters trump's bases with them all the time. I think it is a real problem for Republican senators to overlook to to to to to hang with him on this when the polling not necessarily on removal with the polling on approving or disapproving of. How how he behaved here is so overwhelmingly against him? What do you think happens if you have this like total the obstruction of this impeachment investigation? He gets impeached for the obstruction. He gets acquitted for it now. You have this precedent the Republicans will certainly follow again. Is it just like the Democrats have to live in the day. Have to honor subpoenas and they they have or or I mean you know as a liberal person who wants to the government of the country To be checked and I I don't WanNa live in a world where both parties are just like. They're vying for king like power and then ignore oversight for four years or eight years But I also don't think it's tenable to have one party that emancipates itself from oversight and the other party is completely hidebound by. This is a bigger question than just oversight. This is I. I think this is a question about all of the norms that trump his trampled. Because you cannot have a of you cannot have a two party system where the norms the oversight things are norms because the the lawn is mix because usually when Congress goes to court to enforce it subpoenas it usually usually gets negotiated before court ruling because neither side wants to set a precedent that's going to bind them or future. Congresses are executive branches in the future. It's true for all these arms. You can have a two party system where the norms only tied the hands of one party. That's just it. It does not work and I don't think the answer that means Democrats rats have to Should govern trump. Should we win. You know. Should we win win unified control of of government We shouldn't be ordering the Justice Department to investigate our political opponents. There's some things that that we have to to try to do right just for the right reason. But there's times we have to play hardball and I do think one of the reasons that that Congress has to go to court on some of these things Look at this this ridiculous privilege that they claim that they're witnesses. Don't even have to show up. That is a privilege that the administration claimed to Bush did it and lost in District Court. It's not bindings that didn't go to circuit court. Democrats need to push through and get a binding ruling from circuit court. Because that's just bad practice and Dan allow these things that have been norms. I think we need to push for binding court rulings So there are rules that govern parties going forward this. We can't just let them behave differently than this is the answer that I keep coming to that. If you reach the point where Democrats get beyond trump and unify control. The government is that you have to codify this stuff. Yeah so that so that you don't end up in the situation where you toggle back. Every eight years and Republicans use the justice this department as a as a political cudgel against Democrats. And then you hope that you get a free and fair election to win power back like that. That's like when when they make it harder for you to win a free and fair election every time every time it. It doesn't work eventually. They're just going to capture control forever and then we have an autocracy crecy. And that's why I feel like the stakes of these questions are are like Democrats going to really like Zip. This impeachment out the door and then try to go pass. Trump's trump's trade bill trade deal. I'm with you on that one I would back to you know the way the different way. Democrats and Republicans see things is Democrats often. Think the way to get people in tough districts reelected to work with the other side on something and Republicans think it's to keep the opposing president at. Keep your boot on his neck. And so he's at forty percent and I think their strategy is probably the sounder one. Yeah well it sounds like you've moved little in my direction since episode one out claim it as a victory. Even if you want to me but we'll we'll obviously keep watching the story unfold and hopefully have you back again one more time but thanks for being here can I actually. Can I raise one more. Of course he goes. Of course something that's been. I wanted to get off my chest because it's bothering me so much. I think the last time I was on I talked about you. Know removal being in play. A and I think the Democrats really did think removal was in was in play and I don't think it is anymore unless something changes. Do you know what I think. The moment it changed was nope. Answer's GonNa make you angry angry. I think it was when Matt Gaetz gets his stupid storming the skiff thing If you go back and think about what was happening before then Bill Taylor had testified and the day before his private deposition and that was the moment when Republicans were really. You could see. They were unsteady. You could see. That senators were nervous. They didn't want to defend what the president was doing. They didn't know what she was going to drop. They didn't know what to say to the press. And so there were dodging reporters and gets the thing that always works for Republicans. which is he gave them an enemy? The enemy was Adam Schiff and one of the secrets to trump's success is he. He has always been able to get Republicans to overlook his flaws when they have a Democrat to be pissed off at and it was obviously Clinton and the election. It's been a rotating cast since then and on that day gets in those other Republicans lukens made schiff the villain and they made the way shift was conducting the hearings on just a villain. They claimed to their press. It was improper. It's all bullshit obviously And since that day they have been a united party and you know a united party can withstand even the the best facts in evidence. It's a IT'S A. It was a if I'm right. It's depressing realization to me because it was the The stupidest tactic in the world. Yeah and well I mean look stupid at the time it was great it that is the exact the exact now Y- it Matthew Miller Thanks coming back and hopefully we'll get you back again on before. This whole thing is over. Always thanks for having me That's it for this week but by next week we should know a bit more about what exactly trump will have to answer for in his Senate Trial Judiciary Committee Democrats are already already debating which articles of impeachment will recommend to the full house including whether they should impeach trump for obstructing the Russia investigation. If Adam Schiff is sitting on or uncovers offers any new bombshells probably have to share them in the coming days and he'll have a pretty good opportunity because as matt mentioned his. Investigators will testify to the Judiciary Committee Committee on Monday. This show is produced by crooked media. It's written and hosted by me Brian. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our producer editor. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Confession

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

34:27 min | 11 months ago

The Confession

"I have received information from multiple. US government officials that the president of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the two thousand election. This interference includes among other things pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the president's main domestic mystic political rivals. The president's personal lawyer Mr Rudolph Giuliani is a central figure in this effort so begins the whistleblower complaint that sparked the impeachment of Donald Trump. When Ambassador Bill Taylor kicked off these impeachment hearings earlier this month? He described this pressure campaign as Z.. Outgrowth of a shadow diplomacy on irregular channel of political appointees an outside associates including Giuliani who had direct access to the president one of those appointees the Lynch pin of the scheme was UN. Basser Gordon Sunland in his climactic. Wednesday testimony silent confessed. The he and the so-called three Amigos had worked with Giuliani to execute trump's plan. I know that members of this committee frequently frame these complicated issues news. The form of a simple question was there a quid pro quo as I testified previously with regard to the requested White House call call and the White House meeting. The answer is yes but that wasn't all. He said. He also took issue Taylor's characterization of the shakedown itself this wasn't a quote unquote irregular channel. He insisted there was nothing irregular about it. It wasn't just him. It was everybody the suggestion that we were engaged in. Some irregular or rogue. Diplomacy is absolutely false. I have now identified vides certain State Department emails and messages that provide contemporaneous support for my view. These email show that the leadership ship of the State Department. The National Security Council and the White House were all informed about the Ukraine efforts for May twenty twenty third two thousand and nineteen until the security aide was released on September eleventh two thousand Nineteen Sunlen. Name names TMZ secretary of State. Mike pompeo acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney Vice President Mike Pence even former national security adviser John Bolton whom we've been led to believe had tried to keep the National Security Council out of the quote unquote drug deal. The others were cooking up and Ukraine. Not only did they know about the drug deal deal but the evidence sunland brought with him suggests that some of them support it or at least played along. The vice president nodded like key. Heard what I said. This is my emailed to Secretary Pump Pale. Should we block time in Warsaw for a short Poulos side for police to meet Zilenski and ski. I would ask the Lansky to look him in the eye and tell him that. Once you crain's new justice folks are in place place in mid September that Celeski he's Alinsky should be able to move forward publicly and with confidence on those issues. Choose of importance to produce in the US. Hopefully that will help break the log. Jam The secretary replied Yes On August Twenty six shortly before his visit to Kiev ambassador. Bolton's office requested Mr Giuliani's Giuliani's contact information for me. I sent him Basseterre. Bolton the information directly everyone was in the loop it was no secret surprising. Maybe not for all the cloak and dagger drama of whistleblowers and secret meetings. The shakedown on of Ukraine played out very publicly. Starting this past spring the fact that Pompeo and even pence were implicated in. It has been evident for some time Mulvaney admitted to the corrupt Yup quid pro quo on camera in the White House briefing room but is it shocking. Absolutely to those on the ground in Kiev and to the National Security Council in Washington it looked like a small number of trump henchman had hijacked Ukraine diplomacy from the so-called interagency process that produces the president's and thus the US US government official policy but from the perspective of the hijackers. They weren't small in number at all. They were part of a whole of government effort to carry out a scheme asking. The president had orchestrated and that many of them knew was wrong and yet none of them alerted the public. Not when Giuliani went on television and bragged about interfering in an investigation. Not when Bolton instructed them to inform the lawyers not until an intelligence community official a second in hand witness blew the whistle and Congress began impeachment inquiry when everyone realized that their roles witting or unwitting in the corruption of US foreign policy the American elections were likely to become public anyhow and that raises critically important questions. What drug deals will trump move move onto next? What drug deals are already underway in her testimony? Thursday Bolton's former Deputy Fiona Hill explained. Just how extensive these deals deals can become under the noses of even senior government. Officials struck me yesterday when you put up on the screen ambassadors Sunderland's emails on on who was on these emails and he said these people need to know that he was absolutely right because he was being involved in a domestic political errand and we were being involved in national security foreign policy on those two things had just diverged so he was correct and I had not put my finger on at the moment but I was irritated with him and with him he wasn't fully coordinating and I did said to him. I'm busted Assam. Lynn Gordon. I think this is all going to blow up. And Hey we all and yet at the same time she carefully avoided commenting on whether any other calls trump held with world leaders contain evidence of similar corruption. Dr Hill you during in your time two and a half years in the White House listened to a number of presidential phone calls is that right. Can you estimate approximately how many I contacted. Yeah I mean sometimes there would be multiple calls during a week. I was there for more than two years. So it's a fair number. Have you ever heard a call like this one that you read. I don't want to comment on this call because this is in my view executive privilege senior trump officials have issued statements disputing silence testimony money. But all of them have refused to testify under oath themselves and House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi does not want to chase them down. We cannot be at the mercy of the court sort. Of course there are very important in all of this. Those cases will continue. But I have never said. We cannot proceed without the courts because that's a technique on the part the administration. Just keep ratcheting up to a higher court. The impeachment increase will soon move into its closing phase and Republicans have given almost no indication. Did they will take any steps to protect the country from this corruption to the contrary they mostly seem upset that trump got this time and hope he can pick up where he left off off and we remain in the dark about a great deal. My guest today is offaire managing editor Quinta Jurassic. We'll discuss the dots left unconnected by the impeachment been increased so far and what we risked by not connecting them. I'm Brian Butler Quinta Jurassic. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me so I guess. Let's just start with your global assessment of the impeachment process as it stands in specifically what you thought when you read Gordon. Silence is opening statement and then he washed his hearing and all of the revelations that came out of that Schorr. Well I remember seeing someone roads In the morning before silence hearing that it wasn't going to be very notable unless he went full semi the ball. Sammy the bull vulgar. No the famous mafia figure who flips turned on the Mafia gave testimony against them. And I think it's fair to say that he went full Sammy the He really turned on a dime from what he'd said during his testimony which there plenty of questions about that but he was was incredibly damning what he said about the extent to which everyone was in the loop I think was the exact phrase and that really just knocks down defense after defense after defense the Republicans had been road testing. She wrote a piece for the Atlantic earlier. This month about how it's folly. To assume career government officials will save us from the threat the trump and his supporters pose to democracy and the piece itself off is about I about Robert Muller and later about the diplomats Who testified at the first impeachment? Hearings I wonder how Fiona Hill's testimony that that ended search just before we record this fits into your view of that so my argument and the piece was that the first two civil servants who testified instantly kind of became name of online George Kent had the bow tie. Hi Bill Taylor had this great Walter cronkite voice and they sort of came forward as the voices of almost authority from a different time I'm of you know America Apple Pie and that's really appealing right now. In a sort of the bleak period in which we're living and the danger is that those civil servants are not there to be heroes. They're there to do their jobs. which actually Taylor in Kent kept saying over and over again? You know. I'm I'm nonpartisan. I'm telling you what I know. I've been called to testify and I felt it was my duty. I don't WanNa be here with Fiona Hill. She's a little bit differently differently. Situated than Kent in that she's technically was a political appointee in this administration but I think she does speak to that kind of ethos of public public service in the in the way that she was testifying and in the same way as you saw Taylor can't allow a lot of people right now. Said you know Fiona Hill Forever Fianna Hell Fan the club. You know I've been self you and a hill twenty twenty. It's like no there. Yeah right she unfortunately cannot run for president And there's a similar dynamic. There is the one that I I saw with Kenton Taylor. To that Fiona Hills job was to work in the National Security Council in Europe and Russia matters and her job now as she sees it as clearly to come before Congress and tell Congress what she knows she kept emphasizing again and again. I'm a fact witness. This is my purpose but she's not going to ride in and save the day and what I mean by that specifically is that she's actually she's she's been an incredible witness Just in terms of I mean her own performance. He's given these amazing speeches but however many speeches she gives they're not going to break through to the gym Jordan's of the world and so does it help the Democrats and the impeachment. The effort that they have this amazing witness Fiona Hill that she tells a clear story that matches up with everyone else's strobe -solutely but it's not going to solve the problem that you know at the end of the day Jim Jordan and Devin nunes are still going to be up there yelling about the steele dossier. So I've been struck a few times as the impeachment process. This is unfolded by so the flip side of this like th. They don't have a magic ability to convince Jim Jordan and they might not even feel like It it's their role all to involve themselves beyond whatever legal obligation to Congress is by how this process has revealed. How these conspiracies can fester and develop even as people of genuine integrity witness them unfolding get folded into them and they're still kind of no way for them to to do what we might imagine? The heroic thing is right like I think a Bill Taylor first and foremost in this. Because he knew something was up and he could resign Zayn and he could have blown the whistle but he worked through proper channels to try to stop the conspiracy from taking effect and he tried to help the people of Ukraine and yet from from his perspective. He prevailed right like the. The Republicans are so fond of noting that quid pro quo was never fully consummated and having succeeded why would he then speak up. Lose his post throw the Ukrainians that he clearly cares about to the very wolves he just save. Save Them From and so if it hadn't been for the impeachment process I don't think he would've ever said anything about this and then separately. There's this really dramatic matic testimony from Fiona Hill that we clipped played in the intro. A big part of what I think she was talking about. There was perception right from her perspective. There was this sort of wrong but limited meddling happening in Ukraine policy but then from Gordon silence perspective he was just carrying out policy what he believed the US policy to be and so the whole notion of conspiracy is kind of the wrong language for either of them to describe what's happening and so there's nothing thank really for either of them to do to alert the public right and so it's not just the bureaucrats can't save us because they can convince the broader public or they can't Stop Stop Republicans From acting in their own political interests but they can't save us because sometimes they just can't see that there's anything to save us from they have equities to protect attacked or they're just kind of in the fog of it and blind to all the dimensions of what they're living room. Does that make sense. I think the the best example of someone who's who's struck in the fog seems to have been Kurt Volker and in saying this I'm drawing not only on Volker's own testimony which seemed to me like he may have I've been trying to intentionally obfuscate his understanding of what was going on but The testimony of others including can't Ann Taylor who kind of indicated that they felt Volker may have been drawn a little too far in that. They didn't question his motives but that he was thinking a little too much. Sort of tactically step-by-step. How do I mitigate harm and that lost the sense of when you take a step back? This is really something wrong. That's happening and in that way. Volker is actually a really good example I think of the sort of the corruption of Donald Trump right the the way that people kind of get sucked in and and lose their perspective regarding the other people involved. Here you know Taylor Kent Hill would. Would we be hearing from any of these people. If the whistle blower complaint hadn't been filed. I don't know and I agree. It's a really disturbing bring thought not only because you know how many other instances have there been where a whistleblower complaint wasn't filed and we didn't find out what happened vend but also because I think it goes back to the same issue with Volker. You know this is a case study of how difficult it is has to be a moral person and serve your country which all these people really do seem to have that. We're doing under incredibly difficult. Circumstances in a government run by someone who's actively trying to undermine you they're all these people trying to do the right thing and some of them have even come out of it looking good and at the end of the day. There's just this lurking question of did they let themselves has get drawn into far. I mean we we can zoom back. To other controversies other officials. Who we were told were the adults in the room who were trying to keep trump on the rails keep policy in order in in many cases? It seems like what that ended up forcing them to do was try to cram a corrupt endeavor into a facially legitimate government action try to find a legal pretext text for it. Try to find a policy rationale for it that could be explained to Congress to the public to themselves probably as you know maybe not ideal policy and maybe not wise but acceptable within you know with you know on the rails in some sense and then they leave and we never get the full story because you know either they succeeded in cramming trump's corrupt objectives into whoa facially non-corrupt box in a bail or the try to stop it and they resign and they go back to their private lives and in almost all these cases with like like the one big exception being Jim Komi we just never hear from Jim. Mattis former defense secretary from DNA Powell former deputy national security adviser iser nature. mcmasters another good example of this and it makes me really worry about what happens on the flip side of this impeachment process is that we're going to go back to that. And trump is going to be at the apex of his corruption because he's going to have survived the one confrontation over it. The Democrats were willing to bring against the question should Democrats wrap this impeachment up without making some kind of maybe time-limited but serious effort to compel testimony from the principals. I suppose right. The bureaucrats won't save us with any of the political appointees. Have the information that's needed. If not to remove Donald Trump then to strip away the legitimacy from the things he might do as he abuses his power going forward. So I think that the clear implication of Hill's testimony is that John Bolton knew a lot more about what was happening in real time than she did and he tried to shield the National Security Council from it and Democrats haven't even issued him a subpoena. Is that a mistake Bolton. I don't understand what Game Baltin is playing to be completely honest with you. I mean it really seems like he can't decide Reid who he wants to go to the prom with he he kind of you know. He says he doesn't WanNa testify and then he dangles you know. Well I have all this information that I could give you sort of one step forward one step back so I'm going to be completely honest. I have no idea what game he is playing. I agree with you. That based on Hill's testimony it seems like he has a lot to say. Based on the testimony of two Morrison Hill. Successor is seems like he has a lot to say because Morrison Morrison was an incredibly frustrating witness. Not even talking about the public airing but just by his deposition. If you read the transcript. He basically says John Bolton you know went into this room and had this conversation and then he came out and he's asked what did he say to you and he basically Gli says I don't want to talk about that over and over again and so we get these kind of hints that John Bolton must have known more and must have. You've done more without that ever actually being fleshed out soon away. If you you can kind of read Morrison's deposition as queuing up Bolton the question being whether Bolton is ever going to appear a federal judge is going to rule on Monday I think as to whether former the White House counsel Don mcgann has to testify John. Bolton's whole thing. I'll testify if a court says. I have to testify. which is a broad enough standard that if a court ruling in in a similar proceedings says that people who were in John Bolton's basic role? You know director Vice President very sensitive matters in an impeachment. Me Hearing has to testify that he if he wants to use that as a as a basis for deciding okay like a court has said it's appropriate for me to testify in so I will and you know Democrats can roll the dice and see what happens next week but sooner or later sooner than later they're going to move this over to the next phase and then in the final phase. What if you know if if Bolton just wants to look like he's reluctant it's hard to make him look reluctant unless you give him the subpoena or hold him in contempt and is it an error not to even venture in that direction? I don't think the house necessarily needs Bolton's testimony to to move forward because what they already have is so damning that I I don't doubt it would help flush it out Specifically the conversations that she had that Morrison was unwilling to give more details on. But if you're trying to build the case that the president conditioned official act on the Ukrainians Investigating Hunter Biden Joe Biden and suppose I two thousand sixteen election interference so that is the definition of bribery read conditioning of an official act on a thing value. You don't need and John Bolton to make that case they've actually. They've had everything they needed to make that case since the White House released the transcript script and for all they've been trying to sort of throw smoke up the hearings that have come since then have basically been a process of giving more color and detail to the story giving information that sort of destroys potential exonerating getting explanations like the Ukrainians didn't know or trump didn't know what was going on. But it's not like Bolton is sort of the keystone stone that's GonNa make it all slot into place. I get that and I also agree that in a in a sort of like if this were a court of law you can take it to the jury right. But here's why this matters and why why raised it. In a scenario where the proceedings come to a close without Democrats having mm connected these final dots or Sada Fuller picture from people who have left government but no a lot is that Republicans have given no indication that they're ready to remove him. Trump survives drives the process and all the people who sunland said were a part of the drug. Deal are still cabinet secretaries right they're still in power to take one example apple a couple days ago we learned that the FBI wants to interview the whistle blower. And maybe that's all on the up and up and they want to investigate the crimes. The whistleblower stipulated implied to in his complaint. Like maybe bill bar has ginned up an investigation designed to ensnare the whistle blower ores informants in some kind of you know now for mishandling classified information. Whatever the career folks are probably not gonNa tell us that right like? That's essentially what what we've been discussing about you. We'd have to get lucky and there'd be yet another whistle blower to find out that further abuses. Were happening at the same high level with the same cast of characters the same ame report about the FBI wanted interview the whistle blower notes that nobody FBI wanted to touch the Ukraine matter because everyone at FBI is apparently scared about all the retribution. That the agents who investigated the Russia matter faced. That might happen anyway. You know the impeachment might end with or without Bolton's testimony Moni and then trump and bill bar will cook up another drug deal but if you leave important questions about the full story and resolved doesn't just make it easier for them to try to get an another conspiracy to work out better if they do and you haven't really proved the case. Whatever they cup will be lent credence if John Bolton comes forward and says yeah? Here's what trump told me. He definitely told me this was all about his election and he was trying to get the Ukrainians involved that will color everything that happens afterwards. And if trump tries to engage in more shady crap to subvert the twenty twenty election there will be a a real will factual record there to say. We shouldn't trust any of this. None of this is on the on the level and that has real value. I think I on the the FBI reaching out to the whistleblower whistleblower. I wish I could say absolutely not. There's no way this was anything other than on the level. I am not going to stick my credibility Elodie on that just because such are the times in which we live that said there are plenty of reasons why I can imagine the bureau would WanNa talk to the whistle blower that are totally above board among them. A counterintelligence frankly which is exactly the issue that was never really resolved in the molitor report of what the bureau's conclusions were about Russia's involvement with the trump campaign and with the president were on a counter intelligence level on a criminal no level? And you could certainly see how they might wanNA reach out to the whistle blower about that as well as of course there is the criminal issue. So that's one thing thing though. I agree with you that with Bill Bar at the helm I wish I could say. One hundred percent confidence The other thing is that I think there's an important distinction between whether Bolton specifically should testify and weather say Mike Pompeo or Mike Pence offense should testify right because bulletin is a former official. He does have a book coming out theoretically so you know maybe even if he doesn't testify we'll I'll have to pay twenty five bucks to read what he has to say on the matter. But American oversight has a foia request West that is set to produce a tranche of documents from the State Department on the Ukraine issue Friday afternoon. So we'll see what comes out out of there and Gordon Sunland certainly has indicated that the State Department is holding onto a lot of paper that he would like to see and presumably is not good for the president if say that material is released and it looks really bad for Mike Pence. I think that is a very different. The question then should job molten testify for the Democrats because that gets to do we hold. Mike pompeo accountable or not. Do we hold Mike Pence accountable or not and as you say that does go directly to the complicity of serving government officials. And so even if you're a member of Congress who really just wants to go full speed ahead and pass this to the Senate. I do think that should raise serious questions about whether they should slow down and dig into that more. I use John Bolton as an example because he seems gettable he seems to have a lot that he wants to get off his chest weather for money or not the the broader point. I think is if you're not gonNA move trump from office this exposing the death of the rot and how involved pump Heo wasn't all the people who are going to be there. Bill Bar was mick. Mulvaney was is key to de de-legitimizing them as public figures going forward who will have a lot of power to try to consummate further drug hills. Right and there's there's a full year before the next election and and getting bill bar or might pump Heo before Congress even if they just refused to answer questions would be a very powerful thing right like the the Republicans are going to circle ranks around you and you're going to all survive this and you're all going to have your jobs and we're going to have to live with that but everyone's going to remember. Remember that you got caught in this scheme to deny us a free and fair election and then when you were asked to testify about resisted and when your resistance failed eld you plead the fifth refused to answer questions. Whatever the case is and I we could? We could go into hypothetical examples of how these guys could abuse their power last night. The night before Lindsey Graham was on Sean Hannity's show and he was talking about this. Doj Inspector General's report that hasn't been fully completed. Did you know He. He knows when it's going to be released and it's already figuring heavily in pro trump propaganda and there's every reason to suspect that this isn't on the level level and the way that report gets treated when it comes out like obviously we should all read what it says and decide whether there's anything to it or whether it's just to suspect back to have any merit but if it comes out in a world where bill bar has been pursued and refuse to testify or plead the fifth or sold out Mike Pompeo or whatever you're then it colors how the public interprets the next thing. And that's what I worry is being lost by the rush to get this. The public phase of the impeachment process over is that we'll just get swept into the next chapter of all this in the full death of very senior people's complicity and all all this will not have been exposed. One of the big questions here is whether or not the Democrats will call more witnesses. You know what their plans are. And I don't actually we think we know. At this point I saw a Nicholas Vandross who reports on Congress for the New York Times wrote earlier today that that was the million dollar question and that he you didn't know and it wasn't clear if Democrats new so it's totally possible you can see a world in which they just try to go full speed ahead and kick it to the Senate you can see a world in which which they decide they wanNA call more witnesses right Mark Sandy who works at the Office of Management and budget still hadn't closed up position the other weekend we haven't seen not transcript. He hasn't been called to testify. You can imagine more hearings being announced post Thanksgiving it does feel a little bit like we're in limbo right now. We just don't know what they have planned. I mean they might not know what they have planned. It seems like they don't and it would be a good problem to have for this. PODCAST has to be rendered obsolete. Pretty quickly by the announcement that John Bolton had agreed to test-fire the five more witnesses scheduled for after Thanksgiving. I would take the L on that one on and You know we would just archive this or something. Like that Do you have any closing thoughts further listeners. What's really been noteworthy to me Over the last two weeks as we've seen the hearings take place is I know newness has been saying no one is watching these hearings. The ratings are down all that kind of stuff but the degree of public engagement The degree of media coverage the degree of engagement on social show media granted. You know I'm like every other journalists in DC. I'm on twitter speaking about twitter but when all there was it was the transcripts there was so much less cover inch and so much less public engagement with the material aerial which is totally reasonable. Because there's like thirty five hundred pages of transcripts which is like four times the length of Warren peace. No one has the time to read that. I haven't read them all but when you put witnesses in front of people and actually let them talk. Even if they're not saying anything new and some of them did say things that were new it can potentially be really powerful and for all the skepticism among journalists I think sort of conventional national wisdom that WHO has time to watch the hearings. No one's going to tune in it actually does seem like there's a way in which you know good old fashioned. Russian television can permeate the public consciousness in a way vet. Thousands of pages of transcripts. Can't unsew it's entirely possible that I'm wish casting a little bit here but go I mean going back to the bill Taylor. As cronkite comparison there is a real echo of the Watergate Watergate hearings in what we're seeing now on many levels. Obviously but part of that is that it is an event that people sit down and watch and if they can't watch it they will see clips a news coverage you know in the evening and the next morning. I'm not saying that's GonNa fix all the problems because of course a lot. A lot of people are watching clips on Fox News and they're going to get a very different version of the hearings than people who watch CNN or MSNBC OR UBS skit. But in in a weird way I find it kind of hardening The way that this still has the power to grab people's attention at least to some extent and and become a media event may be responding to this partially because I spent two years fighting off people who were saying Russia's really boring no one cares about Russia and so now it's a relief to have people making memes about George Ken Bowtie. But it's actually kind of strangely hardening to see. I agree with that that and I I think it's a hopeful note to end on And so we'll leave it there Quinta address it. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. That's it for this week. But his Quinta mentioned during our conversation there are a few things we can expect between now thanksgiving. The State Department has been ordered to produce documents stemming from the Ukraine scandal on Friday and a federal judge will will decide Monday. Whether former White House counsel Don mcgann has to comply with his subpoena and testified to impeachment investigators before they finish their inquiry. A lot might hinge on that decision and so close attention. This show is produced by crooked media. It's written and hosted by me Bryant. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor special thanks to Bill Lance for his help today's episode.

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The Floodgates

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

32:04 min | 9 months ago

The Floodgates

"I have been directed by the House of Representatives to inform the Senate. The House has passed h read seven nine eight a resolution appointing and authorizing managers but the impeachment trial of Don. John John from he has been held accountable. He has been impeached. He's been impeached forever. They can never erase that. There's conventional wisdom in Washington. That goes like this. Nancy Pelosi delayed the start of Donald Trump's impeachment trial for several weeks to four Senate Republicans. Not to rig it. And since it's Mitch. McConnell didn't agree to hear from witnesses or subpoenaed documents that means she lost but the conventional wisdom is wrong. She one to see why imagine policy referred the articles of impeachment right after the House passed them. McConnell could have buried the trial in the Christmas holiday or convenient right after the New Year Senate. Republicans have dismissed the charges or acquitted trump based on the bad faith argument that the house didn't hear from firsthand witnesses. All of whom of course trump ordered not to testify testify instead Pelosi created uncertainty. There'd be no trial until we know whether Republicans plan to engage in a cover-up or not what and that left every Republican senator hounded by a simple question would they allow witnesses or would they block them. McConnell didn't quote quote Unquote Cave but it sure seems like his members did Maine Senator. Susan Collins told reporters on Friday that she's working with a small group of fellow all over Republicans on ensuring witnesses in the trial. I can't imagine that only two witnesses that our democratic colleagues would WANNA call would would be called. Sally should the Senate consider new evidence as part of the impeachment. Trial Year Liberal Hack. I'm not talking. You're not gonNA comment. That delay also created an information vacuum. All the unknown concealed information about the Ukraine scheme could flow and it has flooded in if you think is the main inaccuracy or the main and live. That's being told that you feel like you can corrupt the president didn't know what was going on. President trump know exactly what was going on. You believe that Vice President Pence knew what he knew that his trip to the inauguration was contingent on on those investigations being announced again. I mean I know he went to Poland also to discuss this trump's behalf so he couldn't have. I know that was left. Parnasse one of trump's Ukraine scheme point man in an interview with Rachel Maddow Parnasse faces a lengthy prison sentence for for committing a number of crimes thinking. He had trump's protection but he didn't and so he's decided to tell all what he's revealed stunning and at the last minute and much of it has been folded into the official record that the Houses Impeachment Managers Aka the prosecutors will lay out to the Senate. This includes a letter from Rudy. Giuliani Juliani to Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelinski establishing trump skilled. It also includes the alarming suggestion that they all put the US ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ivanovich Ivanovic under surveillance and at physical risk so the trial that will actually see when it begins next week. We'll be very different than the one we would have. Seen had Pelosi decided not not to play hardball. And through these revelations we can see why trump and McConnell are so desperate to cover everything up but as much as we've learned trump and his accomplices are clearly still hiding a great deal and they may still have the tools they need to keep us the public from ever learning the full full ugly truth about the shakedown of Ukraine. My guest this week. Is Kate Brennan. She's editorial director at just security and actually broke one one of the biggest stories about the scheme over the holidays while the articles of impeachment were sitting on Nancy Pelosi's desk we'll discuss these extraordinary developments. And what trump and McConnell in their desperation might do to prevent more of them from coming to light. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. Kate Brennan welcomed Rubicon. Thanks so much for having me so you broke some pretty the important news about the Ukraine scandal after the House had impeached Donald Trump before it referred the articles to the Senate including some documentary evidence that trump ordered the government to withhold military aid to Ukraine directly Can you tell us just a little bit about what you learned and where it fits into the broader. Her Ukraine story sure so in December the Center for Public Integrity had sued the trump administration for emails between the Defense Department Hartman and the Office of Management and budget which is called mb in Washington and relating to the Ukraine story and the trump administration was ordered by a judge. Sh- release these e mails. which they you did and two batches but they did with really heavy redaction so most of the most the most interesting stuff had been blacked out and over the holidays a source provided me a set out of the emails but with the reductions lifted? So I got to read the full story. You know the full back and forth between the Pentagon ownby and what it revealed was on the one hand. It revealed that the Pentagon had made its objections to the hold. Really clear and concerns is legal concerns about the hold Loud and clear throughout the summer and then into the fall and the main worry was that the trump's hold on the military aid violated the Impoundment Control Act which mandates that the executive branch spend money. Exactly the way Congress appropriated it and if they want to change their mind or do something different you know. They don't have much wiggle room but if they are going going to they have to notify Congress and obviously in this case with the Ukraine aid. That never happened. And so as I was reading the emails I could see that these concerns from the Pentagon is much stronger than had been represented by the administration up until that point and then what also is clear from reading. The emails was what had been redacted was truly the most incriminating and embarrassing aspects of these emails so it also told the story of obstruction. And you know it's just another step that this White House has taken to keep this story from coming to light it. We should note that as we record this to today on Thursday today the GAO has determined that the administration broke the law. Exactly you mentioned the Impoundment Control Act by withholding is holding a DU crane so the concerns that they tried to cover up that they were discussing amongst themselves were were live and and and they unreal and now it comes out that the the people saying that you were GonNa be breaking the law by doing this correct exactly. So that's the the The person in question at the Pentagon her name is Elaine. mccusker she's the acting Pentagon comptroller and she said repeatedly. Look guys this is no joke. We're GONNA violate the Payment Control Act. And then in the early September she was basically like We are violating the impoundment control. Act We are not going to be able to spend this money. By September timber thirtieth and it will be impounded which means it will be it will be returned to the US Treasury and now Republicans have said in defense of trump. Look all the money was released. It's fine no harm done and what actually happened was by the time. The money was released on September eleventh. The Pentagon made it known to Congress. We are not going to be able to spend all this money be able to get it on contract by the weapons that Ukraine needs by the end of the fiscal year and so congress actually stepped in and wrote legislation that extended the money It was thirty five million dollars that was basically put in jeopardy by trump's hold i. It's interesting the way you characterize the the you know what you discovered this reporting. Is You know when your story broke. What sort of captivated The Democratic leaders in Congress and and and the media I think was the you know the disclosure of trump's direct involvement which which tends to You know sort of corroborate the the accusations against him in in the first article of impeachment but the implicit story is about the the justification or lack thereof for the reactions that you got to see under and and that that implication kind of also bolsters the second article of impeachment for for obstruction. You know where these documents were not turned over to Congress and when they were You know when a judge said that they needed to be released they tried to still conceal. Aw the damaging information from becoming public Books that the public would know and presumably the congress would know so in a sense it it's like a microcosm of the of the of the impeachment itself is how you see it. Yeah I think too you know I knew it was a big story but I wasn't quite ready for its impact and I think it's because I had missed or I had an I had overlooked this aspect of it that the reductions themselves showed a cover up and I was able to sort of lift. Lift the veil on that and in a way you know give power to the public like this is the stuff that they're not showing you And that gave it a lot of legs you know. In addition to what was actually in in the emails and like you said there was that line in it clear direction from police to hold which came at the end of August which by that point the Pentagon had made loud and clear like we. I think this is a legal. On the entire national security establishment had told the president. We don't support this hold. We think Ukraine should get the military aid. And even at that point you could could see in this email that directly from president trump and only president trump was this order. NOPE keep the hold on the money and I think that that you know that was just that line clear direction from police to hold is you know is the story. So you got to see another reductions the redacted versions themselves were foia it in a in an unobstructed impeachment inquiry. They would have been provided to Congress and included included in part of the factual record that the house considered as as it deliberated impeachment. Right that had been up to trump these would have been withheld from congresses concealed forever. You know not turned up in a in a foyer or anything. Is that your understanding that well absolutely and there are a number of emails for which that's remains. The case is there are these emails that the New York Times has sued the administration for between Robert Blair whose Mick Mulvaney who was the former director of Oh Oh NBA and is now the White House chief of staff and so his top aide at the White House. Is this Guy Robert Blair and this Guy Mike. Duffy and Mike Duffy Overseas National Security Programs at O. M. B. so Blair and Duffy. Were you know right in the middle of the communications about the hold. On on the Ukraine it went it was communicated from trump Komo Vini to Blair to Duffy out into the agencies to to mccusker at Dod et Cetera. And so there are these the set of emails between Blair and Duffy Daffy that the New York Times has sued for and the trump administration has said not only are we not gonNA release them redacted. We're not going to release them at all and like you said these would be emails. How's that if the executive branch were honoring Congress's constitutional right to do oversight of the executive branch they would have provided these in an impeachment inquiry? And then then that's just sort of one set of emails. There's also the entire question of what was going on at the State Department and you had all these witnesses during the investigation in the house. That came forward word from now. Their names are all going to leave me. Bill Taylor and Robert Hale and David Tale. Excuse me anyway. WHO said you know? I collected all of my emails. Wants this got started as I was directed to Congress and now they're sitting somewhere the State State Department won't provide them to Congress because the White House is telling them not to the same. They're a bunch of Pentagon e mails for which that's you know that's also the case And now with we. I know we'll talk about this in a little bit. But with the revelations that parnassus alleging about what was going on with The removal all of the US ambassador to Ukraine. Ivanovich Marie Ivanovich. You know. There's a huge question around these e mails. What would they reveal about what the State Department in and Mike Pompeo? What did they know about Any threats to her safety and what were the circumstances under which she was removed from that country And so there is still a lot out there in terms of documentary evidence that the administration is blocking that would reveal. You know shed so much On the story so we have to. We have to. We can only make assumptions about what is being concealed. We know from your reporting Psalm. Tom Of of what was in fact. Concealed from the impeachment inquiry in the trial is now underway. And what you learn what is in your. The story is not in the official impeachment record As far as you know. Does that mean that that the impeachment managers just that. This information is not available to them as they try. Try to persuade senators to convince trump or I mean H- how important is it that they managed to keep this stuff under wraps until after her. The articles were passed. Well I do know and it was kind of a you know an interesting moment for me just as an individual and a reporter. I believe my story story was entered into the record this week. That was transmitted with the articles of impeachment And I think that there's a you know. I think that the Parnis attacks that we saw this week. I think there's a record that goes with the articles now. I don't know how that's used. When they're making their case I think outside of the the technical aspects of it from my story you know the New York Times reporting about some really important meetings that took place that summer between trump and his national security advisors You know the new information that's coming out of love Parnassus the GAO report that you mentioned earlier. You know this finding finding that yeah the military hold violated the law All of that in a political sense is giving an enormous amount of momentum and I think you know whether it'll break the damn on Senate Republicans holding trump accountable. I mean I still people are pretty pessimistic. But the pressure is just like Ruben. Ratcheted up and ratcheted up. I think way more than had none of this come out in the interim from the time that the articles were voted on and then if they had been transmitted right away I think in the space that was created by Polisi holding them back and the amount of shoes that have dropped in the meantime have you know. Put the pressure on you know just made it feel more urgent and I think for the trump administration must make them feel incredibly really nervous. Because I don't think they know when the next shoe will drop. I think they know what shoes could drop because they know exactly what happened. But they don't know when they'll drop in like for example today Robert Hyde who's this Republican who's running running for Congress in Connecticut who was the one who was texting with I love Parnasse about possibly serving Marie Ivanovich in Ukraine. And you know whether or not they were like contemplating depleting a hit on her as it sounds like but that they've both denied sense His house was raided today by the FBI. So like who knows knows what's coming next is is how I see it i. I'm really glad you put it that way. Because you're scoop underscored to me exactly why. The trump administration obstructed congress in the first place in by Republicans particularly the Senate have done have signaled that the desire many of them have to keep as much new information from coming to light as possible but also I think illustrated a lesser disgust. Piece piece of the wisdom of Nancy Pelosi's decision to hang onto the articles for a few weeks Like we we tended to discuss that tactic through the lens of weather. It would force Mitch McConnell till admit defeat in some way or or or whether Senate Republicans individually would come out and say you know I'm I'm GonNa Not Vote for any motion. That doesn't allow us to call witnesses. And so you know now that the trial is getting underway and you know sure ince's of that sort have been made You see a lot of You Know Post Game Analysis of this decision. The policies gambit failed in some sense. But I think that's totally wrong right In part because this this flood of information that's coming out is is so unsettling that it seems like like it will make it very difficult for fifty one republicans to vote to shutdown new factfinding But also so because Pelosi kind of created as window right like that irrespective of what Republicans were going to do with their votes or how they were going to allow the trial to be structured assured the there was just this opening she created for people with information to to come forward right like. There's a strong indication that the Republicans in the Senate are leaning towards not allowing witnesses not allow documents To to come to light so in this limited period that Pelosi created stuff has started to come out Do you see. Do you see it that way or did you see it when you were reporting out your story that this was like an effect of of her having created some sense of uncertainty about when the trial would be allowed to start. I definitely didn't see it when I was reporting my story. I was sort of head down and you know oblivious because it's the holidays I'd his own I don't I'm not can't get in her head so I don't know how much I mean. She certainly didn't know in to some extent what was coming down the pike. I mean in terms of my own reporting I can see. That's for sure the partners I mean left parts had certainly indicated before that I believe if I'm remembering correctly like I'm GonNa Talk to Congress and I'm GONNA turn stuff. He might have already turned some of his documents over. So I think that and everybody's aware that this documentary evidence is out there So it I mean. In retrospect it seems like it was you know a wise move move on her part Trying to think there was something else you said but I'm now Oh I was thinking about how you said about Mitch McConnell and the Republicans like at this point they basically have to you know. New evidence has come forward and it now when they if they don't call witnesses and if they don't subpoenaed documents you know it'll look like they're not acting upon you know new evidence that's come forward that you really need you know. Oh you should be required to investigate and it reminded me you know on the one hand you think. Well they now have to do that like how could they their backs up against the wall but it reminded me as you're you're talking of the cavenaugh hearings and you know new. Witnesses came forward. And you know there was all this pressure to open up the FBI investigation. And they did did the sham process and call today so it's certainly not beneath them to do so do the question. What's the political cost? I I guess of doing it right right. The I mean the the Parnasse case. I'm I'm glad you mentioned it. I think it's like the most irrefutable refutable testament to the withholding the article strategy. Like he didn't his lawyer produce these incredible documents to the impeachment. Investigators and I think they like literally within hours of the House. Vote to refer the articles of impeachment to the Senate so like barely in time to be included in the factual record. And I wasn't aware that that your article had also gotten looped into the same factual records. So it you know the there. There is a quantifiable amount of information. That just was not known and to the impeachment investigators after they voted to impeach trump that became known to them before the trial began. And I think that makes it like fairly irrefutable refutable that the strategy strengthened the case itself completely apart from the question of how Republicans will vote destructor the trial or whether they'll allow allow any of this new information to affect their strong inclination to acquit trump. Did Gao finding. Today I mean I would put it in the same category gory it. It makes it really uncomfortable for the Republicans know violating the impoundment contract was not part of the you know was not an article of impeachment mint. But you now have this independent body saying the trump administration violated the law in connection to this story and you see already today today. Republicans sort of saying well the GAO's not that independent. which is you know? If that's your argument gets a losing argument And or you see them avoiding reporters they. Don't I want to comment on it. It's too it's too awkward And so the I will say from the time that the that the House voted on the articles to to where we are a day right now it is different information environment and it's a different a different political environment. I think for Senate Republicans that were already feeling a little bit uncomfortable up with just like cleaning their hands and making this go away as fast as they could. Yeah I think it was earlier today. Chuck Schumer tweeted something to the effect or said something to the effect of like you know. God Forbid Republicans. You know try to see all this information Render judgment against trump one way or another based on the incomplete record and then after they've already cast their votes to cover up whatever equipped trump the the whole truth comes out and not only have they voted for the cover it but the cover up fails retroactively and I'm watching. At least the Republican publican leadership grapple with this essential question. Like they must be aware now like it's like I think that they probably thought once the House House had voted to impeach trump that they would have a lot more control over the information environment Then they did when the house was running the show and the last two or three weeks have proven that they really don't right like there are still they're still foy they're still leakers. They're still witnesses. There's court cases that are ongoing and And these bombshells will continue to drop like in in the middle of the trial after the trial and so they are actually weighing this basic question. It's not cover up or no cover up it's it's Should we let all this information. Come out at once in the trial and then rip off the band aid and be done with it or let let it all Kinda dribble out slowly after we've already communicated with our votes our intention to to not let the public see this stuff. Yeah I'm two things I think they have to continue to obstruct because on you know I the information that's coming out is so damning and I can only imagine the information information that's being most closely protected like the Blair Duffy emails or whatever. The State Department e mails show are even worse. Like that's why we haven't haven't seen them And that's why you know the witnesses that haven't been allowed to testify Mulvaney. Blair Duffy John Bolton you know they have the worst stories to tell and so I can't imagine they take all right. Actually you know just that we can control. It will let everything come forward because it's You know it's like president. The president shooting someone Fifth Avenue. Like it's all GonNa be right there for us to see I think the other thing. That's a little tricky maybe for Democrats. It's not tricky but on the one hand there is plenty of evidence to explain what happened. between trump and Ukraine. And and you know him soliciting foreign interference in the election on that phone. Call the ties between asking for that investigation to Joe Biden and holding the military aid. The evidence is there that said. Is there more evidence out there absolutely so I think there's like this. Tricky thing that Republicans are also playing on where it's like. Well if you don't have the complete clete picture how on Earth Are you impeaching him. If there's all this stuff that still remains out there then you didn't do due diligence and so both things can be true. You can both have enough. Evidence is to move forward and there can also be plenty of evidence that still being obstructed and I think some of the allegations that Parnasse has raised just raise completely new questions like up until now the physical safety and the circumstances of Maria von riches being removed from Ukraine weren't part of the story really and as the FBI raid today shows the that's a new avenue investing of Investigation that cannot be you know just ignored or forgotten like we. I think the American public has a right to know Whether she was being threatened and back whom and where did it stop. How high up did it go? So a couple thoughts on that one is the this talking with the Republicans really have taken to about how this information coming to light just underscores that the house didn't do a very thorough job in its impeachment. Went totally allies. The point that trump has been impeached for obstructing the inquiry. Right like there's a reason. The House's factual record is incomplete complete and it's almost entirely because donald trump refused to cooperate with the inquiry. And so now he's they're going to have to vote on that article of impeachment and you the logic of what they're saying is that basically they're going to they're going to neuter their own institution and its power to compel executive branch disclosure of information. And I'm not sure for the trial will allow the impeachment managers to confront Senate Republicans with that contradiction that internal contradiction. And I'm curious to see like how how individual Republicans Republicans as a whole grapple with it The second thing is that I you know the the environment is uncertain enough that the White House is preparing for defections or at least is claiming to be preparing for defections on the question of witnesses and documents and trump himself after kind of pretending for awhile to want a fair trial. Trial now says that he might claim executive privilege if witnesses appear normally fights over that are resolved by AH accommodation between Congress and the executive branch or by courts. And I'm wondering how you think efforts to conceal information by citing privilege like this sort of last last all the information's flooding in. But he still has this thing that he can use to control it. How will efforts to conceal information by citing privilege play out in the context works of an impeachment trial where it's never really happened before I think where there's an opportunity to sort of take executive privilege to places it's never gone before the trump have been ministration? We'll do so I mean. They've kind of exerted like complete immunity from congressional invest. Oversight is their position and you know and then in a criminal setting they Say you know. The PRE president can't even be criminally investigated while in office. So you know as far as I can tell always argue it as far as you know. They'll stretch the law to its farthest point to protect him from The people testifying and evidence being provided against him In the impeachment setting. I'll be really curious to see how it plays out. And and John Bolton signifying if you subpoena me I'll come forward is just a mystery. You know what will happen there. If he doesn't fact testify justify will he. Then you know come forward but rely on executive privilege to sort of block revealing his most review Private discussions with the president that Relate to this story He he certainly can and you know. I think we'll just have to see what happens there. in closing thoughts for our listeners. any closing thoughts. I think today I mean there is so much going on right now between an you know from where I acidic just security. We're trying to balance you know analysis of The president's strike against Qasim Sulejmani and all of the legal issues. There are and you know all of the information there you know in the decision making that went behind that that we don't know yet to impeachment to the new revelations every day. There's just a lot to take in and you know today. The impeachment trial began And so I think it's just I guess as we're taping like justice assists stop and recognize the historical significance of what's happening in the Senate and You know paying attention to it. It's you know it can get almost. It's crazy that the impeachment of a president can get lost in the craziness of the new cycle and that but but you know it's an a really important moment in history and I only wish that All of the senators you know task task with the decision. There take it seriously as well. Yeah that's that's a good note to close on. Be a good citizen and pay attention Kate Brandon Thank you for joining us. Thank you. That's it for this week next week. Donald Trump's impeachment trial will have begun. And we'll hopefully have a clear sense of just how well or poorly Republican efforts to keep more incriminating information from coming to light fared and if they fared poorly who knows what will have learned. This show is produced by crooked media. It's it's written in hosted by me. Brian Butler Steven Hoffman is our producer and editor. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and reverse wherever you get your podcast uh-huh and.

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The Backstory

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

28:05 min | 10 months ago

The Backstory

"Some of you on this committee appear to believe Russia and its security services did not conduct campaign against our country and that perhaps Somehow for some reason you credit. This is a fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by Russian security services themselves. And there's a story about impeachment that goes like this. Democrats moved to impeach Donald Trump two months ago because unlike the Russia scandal the Ukraine scandal is simple easy for the public to understand if you've heard that story before you may have heard this one that actually there are no distinct Russia and Ukraine scandals. There's just one scandal through two weeks of impeachment hearings. We learned a lot about the Ukraine backstory. The hoops president trump and his subordinates jumped through before he hopped on the phone with his Ukrainian counterpart Vladimir Zelinski. And said. I would like you to do us a favor though but what the hearings left fairly murky is how and when trump came to view the allied government of Ukraine as a target for and partner in corruption. It's not as though trump had a normal relationship with Ukraine before he became nervous about the twenty twenty election and then pick Zelinski is name out of a hat to understand how we got here. We have to go back to the beginning long before Donald Trump became president. You were reportedly the closest political geyser American Political Adviser to victory on a coach of Ukraine. Frayne who is a close ally Vladimir Putin Russia. If you're listening I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing being. There's been some controversy about something in the Republican Party Platform. That essentially changed. The Republican Party's views when it comes to I Ukraine. How much influence did you have on changing that language? Sir I had none in fact I didn't even hear of it until after I convention was over. Where did it come from then because everybody on the platform committee had said it came from the trump campaign if not you and frankly that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama the people of Crimea me up from what I've heard would rather be with Russia than where they were? Let's talk about this new reporting from the New York Times this morning about Paul Manafort and his dealings in The Ukraine with Viktor Yanukovych. He was a consultant for Victor Yanukovych and apparently the times and investigators have gone back and found these handwritten ledgers breaking news. Here more changes at the very top of the trump campaign. I'm told that this morning. His Campaign Chairman Paul Manafort offered and Donald Trump accepted his resignation. Paul Manafort joined the trump campaign in March of twenty sixteen around the time. The campaign came came to learn that Russia intended to leak dirt had stolen from Democrats at the time. Manafort was deeply in debt to a modeling Russian billionaire named Oleg Der Pasta and yet he agreed to work for trump pro bono. By that point trump had already made a big bazaar showing his admiration for Vladimir Putin but Manafort's unexpected arrival on the scene brought someone who had been at the center of the struggle between Russia and the West over the future of Ukraine into the heart of the trump operation seven and he was firmly on Russia's side between trump's deference to Putin and Manafort's lasting influence trump's relationship with Ukraine crane has never really been on the level last year. The Ukrainian government froze all of its ongoing investigations of manafort including its cooperation. With special counsel. Counsel Robert Muller in an Echo of the current extortion scandal Ukraine took that action just as the US finalized the sale of Javelin missiles to strengthen Ukraine's hand in. It's hot war with Russia. The country's president time was pets report. SHANECO who was once a client of you guessed it Paul Manafort and pour a Shaneco who's going to manufacture dirt on trump's political enemies until he unexpectedly lost the presidency to an anti corruption. Political reformer named Vladimir's Alinsky Alinsky or consider the Russian conspiracy theories that Rudy Giuliani pedaled on trump's behalf about the Biden's and Ukrainian interference in the two thousand sixteen election election. The became the subject of the trump Zielinski call on July twenty fifth. Giuliani pluck those from Russian aligned. Ukrainian oligarch named Dmitri for Tush. who was once business partners with again Paul Manafort and where did for Tosh get those conspiracy theories we'll probably from any number of places but the vector who imported that disinformation into the United States needs no introduction metaphors former or deputy Rick Gates has testified that manafort began pushing it starting before the twenty sixteen election? So this question. Why did trump takes such a predatory Oy posture with the new government of Ukraine? The short answer is simple. He wanted to cheat in the election but why pick on Ukraine in the first place that is part of a much longer story. My guest. This week is frank four. He's written extensively about Manafort and Ukraine in the Atlantic Manic. We'll look back at the origins of the Ukraine scandal and how they disappear into a larger story of corruption Russian election interference and the two thousand sixteen election. I'm Brian Butler. And this is Rubicon. frank thanks for being here pleasure So for a while. Now I've thought that the best way to kind of place. The Ukraine scandal in the wider constellation of trump's corruption is to just try to answer the question. How did the Ukraine scandal start? Because when I tried to pinpoint an origin I realized that the DOTS actually extend way into the past and it didn't just begin at random in May of this year when trump I had a freak out about about his standing in the election and having to run against Joe Biden. So how is he as you understand it. Did the Ukraine scandals start so I go back to this core question that critics have always asked about Donald Trump which is is this guy vulnerable to foreign manipulation and and people ask that question because of the wide array of properties that he owned around the world and the way that his business interests were tangled up in places where you authoritarian governments who just weren't abiding by the same sorts standards that that we abide by it. So I think you kind of have to go go back and look at the long history of people from the former Soviet Union trying to manipulate trump in various area sorts of ways and some of the relation is is willing and trump is fully aware of. What's happened a lot of it is subconscious and I think when you have oligarchs from Russia or Ukraine they look at trump and they say oh? This guy is a totally familiar figure. We understand how his mind works. We understand how he can be. He can be influenced and so people were using various channels to try to to sway way Donald Trump. And you know I think the first time. We really started to acutely conceptualize what was happening. I think is with the Manafort Fort Scandal where you said. This guy came from came from Ukraine. He was working for the Pro Russian party. Why was he why did he descended on the trump campaign? But I look all the way through and I see I see you have oligarchs In Ukraine rain who have constantly been trying to figure out. What's the right channel? Is it the campaign chairman. Is it the personal lawyer They're hiring Fox. News commentators as their lawyers are getting columns placed in the hill by by columnist who they can pretty well be sure is going going to end up in Donald Trump's twitter feed and so there's also the sense of they know exactly how to rile him up. It's a look at that Ukraine scandal. You know the the the narrow question that shift is focus on is. was there a quid pro quo. Was He trying to extort Ukrainians wins in order to get dirt on his political opponent. But I look at it and I say if I look at the transcripts now look at the whole narrative of the scandal. I'd say the president was very actively in successfully manipulated by bad actors in this part of the world who who were very very successful in shifting the foreign policy of the United States to suit their aims. I'm glad you put it that way because you listeners. who heard the INTRO Will suspect that I think Paul Manafort is a big part of the origin story of the of Ukraine scandal. And I definitely believe that but there are these episodes is it. Don't quite fit the picture right like after After trump's been elected and MANAFORT's no longer in the in the middle of trump world. There's there's this story about this Ukraine peace plan right that that makes its way to Mike. Flynn who was then the national security adviser but it doesn't come from manafort directly comes uh-huh maybe not for Manafort at all. It comes from Michael Cohen and and Felix Seder. who were You know in league with the same same sort of shady people that you just described but on a sort of a different channel and even I wonder you know and I'm pretty pretty thick and all this like how critical critical Manafort is to the story. Because if you imagined he'd like never worked for trump Trump was still very much in Russia's debt When the election and ended He was singing Putin's praises long before Manafort joined the campaign. He was working on the Moscow. Tower project independently Manafort and and. It seems conceivable to me that we were always going to end up here. Because Russia help trump win and Russia's leverage over trump and so trump was going to side with the store corrupt factions actions in Ukraine rather than the pro-western reformers. No matter what I think. That's I think this would happen absent. Paul Manafort because you you have a lot of people in so I think that the the actually the crucial thing is the development of the relationship between Ukraine in the United States. It's and I'm just GONNA. I think this is a foreign policy story in addition to being a corruption story which is that Russia is a revolution in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen. The PRO Russian government. The Paul Manafort works for gets swept out of power they get replaced by By by a more liberal democratic regime albeit still oligarch kick and the United States starts spending a lot of money protecting Ukraine and that gives us leverage over Ukraine. So you have somebody. He like Ambassador Marie Ivanovich who's in Ukraine. All American ambassadors always wanted Ukraine to behave in a less corrupt sort of way they've always wanted presidents to challenge Ukraine's oligarchy system. But finally we had all this leverage over the government and the government starts taking actions to clean clean itself up and so you got a lot of oligarchs who were suddenly very much on the defensive. Paul Manafort's clients were on the defensive. You've Rudy Giuliani's kind of new clients and the people that he collaborated with in this extortion scheme were suddenly on the defensive and and so they needed to find a way to undermine the US embassy in Kiev and so they see that Donald Trump was a guy who they could manipulate into doing their bidding. They're and they're the way that they were able to entice. Donald trump to their side was to feed him a lot of bogus. This conspiracy theories that he bought into because they were They all adopted the kind of the memes of Donald Trump. They there were arguments about the deep state. They were arguments about how he was. His opponents. Were manipulating things that were arguments about. How Ukraine was the one manipulating the election? Not Russia and so they knew how they knew how to to to to to go him they knew his psyche. And I think it's these guys who were on the crop guys who were on the defensive saw in Donald Trump hope for salvation. The you so you mentioned Marie Ivanovich and I and there was a lot of The hearing with her she kept dangling this question. Why why did they have to smear me? Why did they have to run the smear campaign? Why did trump have to participate in it? That Adam Schiff did a decent job near the end the hearing at kind of tying it all together but you know if you if you strip away the kind of conspiracy theories and the cloak and dagger nonsense you you have this story that these people that you're talking about in Ukraine were proposing in a basic bargain like the worst people in Ukraine could keep looting their own country. Yes with the blessing of the president yet and in exchange they'd AIDS subvert the two thousand election for him But also give his cronies business deals right And it's a a little unclear to me. How winning trump was about that transactional situation that he was in when he was smearing? Yovani bitch rich. When he was sort of trying to consummate the quid pro quo through the middle? Part of this year So hope you could speak to that but I also wonder to what extent Russia sure was invested in the shakedown. Because of those deals that were sort of at stake right leg like if if these reformist faction in Ukraine Gains sustained power. It hurts Russians financial interests because of the deals. They lose the the the looting they would be able to do. Well you know I I think the step back and think about Russian interests this way. It's Russia invaded eight when Russia invades Ukraine The gain a huge chunk of territory but they also lose by occupying that part of it. They also lose a lot if they're leverage over the Ukrainian system. I'm in for one you had you had very pro. Russian parties that Struggled after the invasion to to make a case to other parts to the western part of Ukraine and also just you know a lot of their voters were now in occupied territories. Tories were they weren't able to vote. And so they they go off the lost political power in Ukraine. And they've been kind of fighting for figuring out how to exercise exercise control over the country when they didn't have a political faction that was sitting in the presidency or sitting near the center of power. And and so I think a lot of what they've done is try to find ways to undermine Ukrainian democracy to undermine pushes to make the country less corrupt and so they had a strong interest in opposing in and getting rid of Marie. Uganda Vich as well. Because they don't want the country to take the status that she was pushing for and a lot of what she was pushing for actions. That would damage a lot of key Kremlin allies within Ukraine when she goes after A lot of these oligarchs she's going after people who were handmaidens of the Kremlin to begin with so I say let's never lose track of the underlying geopolitics of Ukraine. Because that's there in the scandal as well how witting was trump about that aspect of it because obviously he wanted help in the election and he thinks about all of this stuff mainly in terms of trees yet. But there's a lot of money at stake steak too. You know. There's money that that I don't so this is a great question. Something that's intrigued me. which is you have rudy? Giuliani's guys going to Kiev. The original Giuliani himself in. And you know messing around in Ukraine for a long period of time. And you've Rick Perry's people in Ukraine messing around trying to get various energy deals and who was ultimately trying to get rich off of those energy deals whose interest I did those actually serve. I think Gordon Sunlen talked about in. This comes up in the hearings and other places that this this Ukrainian natural State Ukrainian State Natural Gas Company. Nafta gas was something that I think Sandra and said was mentioned almost every meeting with the president and that was something that jumped out at me because Nafta gas while extremely important for Ukraine in the energy politics of Ukraine are extremely important for western Europe and for our sense of of of how of security for for that part love the world. It's not really something that you would expect. Donald Trump to be tracking or discussing. And you know at the core of which we on these guys this one of the things that Giuliani's guys were doing when they were in Ukraine was trying to fire the reformist. who taken over the State Natural Gas Gas Company and turned it into a transparent non-corrupt entity they were trying to transform the supervisory board? That was keeping that natural gas company. Buzney non-corrupt so why why were Giuliani's men trying to destroy this incredible accomplishment of US foreign policy policy. Because we were the ones who made that we pushed really hard to make Nafta gas non-corrupt. Why were they trying to undermine that who was trying to get rich off of that and how how much was donald trump aware of that? I have no idea But but like I said the fact that it was discussed so often. It's something that triggers my spidey sense. I mean I would I would even by like trump must have known the some shady side dealings because like why else was rudy working for him. Mm for free right. Well the the fact that there was some you know there were other people like wedding. Their beaks around this question of helping been trump win reelection Might just be it like. He doesn't take any any particular interest in any specific Ukrainian firm or or or by uh-huh but I guess one parallel one thing I keep thinking about is is to go back to Paul Manafort's Paul Manafort Lake Rudy. Giuliani works for the president for free. It was Paul Manafort's game plan. He wanted to become the most powerful man in Washington. who wasn't working for the administration who could leverage the sense of proximity to power in order to enrich himself in order to get deals done? And I think Giuliani. He's kind of criminal justice version of that. He's working for free. He's leveraging his proximity with trump to get all sorts of dubious clients around the world. Sometimes he goes into the Justice Department and pleads their case if they're if they're in trouble You know sometimes people just want. There's kind of a sense of of of cleanliness that comes with being associated with Rudy Giuliani. But it it's he's he's basically succeeded. Were Paul Manafort dreamed of succeeding. Well for now for now. He's got he's got some legal trouble just like Paul manafort ended. Yeah we we we have. We have absolutely no idea how much money Rudy Giuliani. His made off of the trump presidency. We really don't have a very comprehensive sense of his client list and therefore we have only a limited knowledge about the damage that Giuliani has done this past couple of years my suspicion and all this has been that if Joe Biden decided not to run we wouldn't have an impeachment Ukraine scandal would actually end up looking looking quite similar to what it does right now because you have this story that needed to in the intro about about When Robert Muller was still doing investigation the Ukrainian government like shelve its investigations of Manafort totally And and that decision seems to have been the outgrowth of up another shakedown or possibly right like they were it happened contemporaneous to the sale of these javelin missiles. Yep that trump kind of used as a lever over Dolinsky so that happened right. Yeah and that was before Biden ran and then even on the call with Zilenski. Trump's top objective was this insane crowd strike conspiracy theory where Ukraine framed Russia. For interfering in in two thousand sixteen I could actually see world in which basically everything that's happened happened minus the Biden part and because because there's no direct nexus to Democratic Party politics and no you know why trump chasing this dumb conspiracy theory. The Democrats remain reluctant to impeachment about it. But it's still the same. Corruption is still the same scandal is still you know. interference in the twenty twenty election. And yet were were in the dark about a lot of it. Yeah I totally totally by that and I also been what is why did Rudy Giuliani's I start poking around in Kiev. It's because he he's trying he he was he designed himself. The job of writing the rebuttal to the mall report. He was looking data points. And now I think it's kind out of telling that Giuliani is kind of is lazy. Or there's something you know people speculate about other things about the guy but the you know obviously that that that that counter narrative never emerged I guess more somewhat left him put gave him an out for not having to produce that document but it was. He was going the Ukraine to try to find information that would essentially exonerate. Paul Manafort That he was looking to prove that the Black Ledger. which initially contained the the evidence that Manafort's work in Ukraine was truly truly truly shady that that was a fabrication? Now that's that's a It's a wild conspiracy theory that he was he was pursuing. There's all sorts of evidence at the ledger is indeed authentic. And even even if we had questions about authenticity we know that Manafort in the in the indictments against Manafort we can see that he was getting off the books money that was going through Cypress. And it's you know there's there's not even a question about the shadiness in the money laundering. That Paul Manafort was engaged in. But but that's what that's what Rudy Giuliani was initially after and people could affect him anything during that period and he would have taken it. I mean Manafort was in in two thousand sixteen when the first reporting about Russia being behind the DNC hack was published. He was already peddling right the the view that Ukraine actually hacked these emails. And you could. I mean who knows how it is like. It could have fricken prison cell conversation station for all. I know that like the specific line about crowd strike and Ukraine framing. Russia could have just been like a straight manafort to Giuliani thing in some weird way like manafort. You Know Giuliani off on this on this mission that ended up landing trump impeachment Because it ended up intersecting with Joe Biden some somewhere down the line But I understand why that you know exonerating reading Manafort is important to Manafort and why it in the days was important to rudy. Giuliani as as a You know a means of creating counter narrative about trump's involvement in Russian interference in two thousand sixteen Why do you think trump today care so much about the creating? A Ukraine actually interfered in two thousand sixteen counter narrative Like to what extent is it. His vanity about people reason questions about his legitimacy and to what extent is at the Russia. Wants this disinformation out. There to hurt hurt the US and undermined Ukraine independence. And he's just kind of he has to do what the Kremlin wants to do in that regard. Yeah I think it's I. I think it's both of those things and a third which is that It's just the way that he nurtures a grudge that it's it's so it's so juvenile finial and and pathological that you know once you once you decide that somebody is a bad person you just a Ah that becomes the lens through which he sees everything. And he's not able to escape it. And I just keep thinking back to conversations that he has with Gordon Sunland and where he says. It's a country filled with terrible people. And you know it's telling because it's the way in which he takes this one little narrative where where there's a guy is like an ambassador op Ed. In the hill that some wounds his vanity and he managed to spin it into a bigoted in case against an entire country. And it's it's it's a sickness that he goes from the particular to the universal in the way that he does and the ease with which he decides that he'll make these massive decisions about how to direct American four Policier who engage in a adum Dump Scheme that that a lot of grows out of just animosity positi for an entire people. All right I've got to leave it. There frank four. Thanks for joining us. Pleasure that's it for this week but in the spirit of thanksgiving. Here's some food for thought DOC. On Friday the State Department released documents in response to court order the connect secretary of State Mike Pompeo to the smear campaign against ousted Ukraine crane ambassador. Marie Ivanovich. Those documents were only part of an initial production and documents. PURSUANT TO OTHER SIMILAR FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT requests should be released in the coming weeks as well also the House intelligence committee has secured videos and images from Parnasse a former Giuliani associated. WHO's under indictment for funneling foreign money into US elections and who has intimate knowledge of the Ukraine shakedowns scheme? By the time we all get back from the holiday weekend Democrats might have to schedule a few more hearings. This show is produced by crooked media it's written and hosted by me. Brian Boiler and our editor and and producer is Steven Hoffman.

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Donald Trump vs. Windmills

The Point with Chris Cillizza

03:41 min | 1 year ago

Donald Trump vs. Windmills

"Welcome to the point for august thirty. I'm lauren danske co author of the point. I'm here to cut through the political nicole spin to bring you the news. You need to know president. Donald trump is known for his grudges whether it's against people like rosie o'donnell or john mccain for whatever reason then if donald trump feels that he has been slighted he rarely if ever. Let's go which helps explain. Why president trump is constantly trashing windmills technically he means wind turbines the ones that generate wind energy. He criticizes them a lot most recently. He trashed them while at the g g seven summit in france when asked about whether trump was taking climate change seriously he replied. It's tremendous wealth. I'm not going to lose that wealth. I'm not going to lose it on dreams and windmills which frankly aren't working too well. It's a head-scratching response and only the latest instance in which he's invoked his dislike for wind power strangely enough it all goes back to a spat between trump and the nation of scotland back in the mid two thousand trump bought land in aberdeen in scotland on which he planned to build a luxury golf course and resort shortly thereafter he became aware of an opposed to a plan to build eleven wind turbines hands off the scottish coast. I'm not thrilled. Trump said in two thousand six according to the bbc. I want to see the ocean. I do not want to see windmills in. He didn't stop there. You're in two thousand twelve. He testified about the horrors of windmills extensively to the scottish parliament. It is a very very serious problem that we are addressing in my opinion. It is one of the most serious problems that scotland will have or has had he continued telling the scots. I am an expert on tourism. If you dot your landscape with these horrible herbal horrible structures you will do tremendous damage. Many countries have decided they don't want wind because it doesn't work without massive subsidies it kills massive amounts of birds ads and wildlife and there are lots of reasons for the record trump is very big on this bird thing quote. If you love birds. You'll never want to walk under a windmill because it is a very very sad sad sight. It's like a cemetery. We put a little statue for those poor birds. It's true and quote for the record the u._s. Fish and wildlife service does let's say that turbines can kill birds but among things far more dangerous cats power lines cars in big buildings like skyscrapers trump has also claimed wind turbines can cause cancer which is one hundred percent false despite trump's dire warnings. The scottish wind turbines. Were built anyway the u._k. Supreme court ruled against trump's lawsuit to block the construction in two thousand fifteen. The eleven turbine facility was completed in two thousand eighteen in two thousand nineteen trump was ordered to pay the scottish government's legal bills for the wind turbine fight which brings us to the point. This president has a hard time letting go of any grudge even if it's against inanimate objects like windmills and that is the point for august thirtieth twenty nineteen eighty brief programming note there will be no podcast on monday for the labor day holiday today have an excellent long weekend and thank you for listening to the point for more updates throughout the week including our sunday night campaign edition subscribe to the point newsletter at c._n._n. Dot com slash the point. If you like this audio briefing you can get on google home or amazon echo or subscribe on stitcher or apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app so you never miss an episode <music>.

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Donald Trump, Jr. Triggers KMarko

The Kirk Minihane Show

2:36:05 hr | 11 months ago

Donald Trump, Jr. Triggers KMarko

"You guys giggling the boat. Just listening to some parody songs so yeah we got some guys you good good. They're pretty good. Yeah some better than others. As part of my take sweatpants they are so we have donald trump junior in about ten minutes. Yes the source of much controversy in the bar. Yeah I don't know. I talked to Dave last night with Steve. It seems like a K.. Marco issue more than the might be wondering why I was told because he's a liberal stuttering during Weenie. Right the key thing the other day I mean right but trump junior is a friend of barstool kind of not yet but I mean where where are you from. What do you tell you? They would be seeing our praise if if we were having Malia Obama on Sure we can have our on his well fucking have anybody on Ziemba think. What are you gonNa do this hardcore rightwing suck fest? You already have one of those yesterday in Me Boston market and I'm thinking these fucking another one newsmax picture. They put over how he's interview which did not like double shots for like. He's like looking away and he's the trump junior is looking at the camera. And the Mike Treating this guy like you know I mean I'm just coming on and I'll start with him probably where I'll start with like Y- yeah. I think he's going on the view today busy. Yeah I respect you scheduled to. I don't know if like he'll be they'll go on with gayle king like he'll go on with people who don't don't agree with him right. which is now a Republican trait? It just is. They've got They've they've got the guts now. I don't know what what change but he's a pretty big figure. Sure I think you know. He has some name recognition. And it seems to me like having heard Howard over the years and I think he'll play along I have if not just put it this way. If you're looking for like a deep dive in Gotcha moments like Ukraine and shit go somewhere else. I mean really what a what a fucking I mean. What's he going to say on that? It's funny though. I think those guys'll At borstal might think that's exactly what I guess because you're more you're closer to that than any of that that can read the sense. Yeah right they'll do investigate about about fucking arsenal. Thinks you're going to try and blow the guy up. No no no no no. I think they think it's going to be very political. Take Your Tiki torch. Yeah we'll not that but I think it just makes me really political conversation and you know I'm sorry I don't care about fucking horses running in circles. Okay I'll do the best. I can't do that. I mean you the fucking whatever tick Tock We fuck off off K.. Marco I like him and everything came on. Its if it's a K.. Marco was the email say. I was actually text messages. Text message I told him I I told him we were having Don Jr. on because I thought that he would appreciate that and see the value of doing about it. John Judy by way completely had porno back in the thing totally header back. Yeah Yeah Rather his back on the on the thing I told them we're having him on and he said Fuck that guy and okay okay. Let's just have people on you know we should have on a lot. More is fucking Rob Gronkowski. We should have you know we should have Whoever elsom we should hire Johnny Manziel and act like he's a great guy now like Donald Trump? So we should do. Oh Jerry men cells awesome. He's funny yeah he's cool. He said I'll give you the heads up right now so you don't waste your time. Dave won't let that up on the site okay. I talked today last night. Yeah absolutely yeah absolutely no problem with it. So either K.. Marco's full of Shit which is possible or Davis lying to me on the phone last night one of the I mean one is one may be possible a Bali. I always say I don't care don't promote I don't get no charge Steve Crazy. I don't give a fuck by attitude. Like oh I hate that guy. Okay so now Barstool who all we we do is rail against people who say they hate us without real reason they say oh I hate that guy was I have a conversation. Let's ostracize him. It's supposed to talking to the fucking guy. What does does he mean by? Don't let it let it up mode. I tried I tried to. I actually tried to get clarification. I just said Not Looking for a fight honestly just WanNa know what would what the deal is here and cracked Barstool as a whole will not associate with him. But you are free to do whatever you want with him and promote the your channels as much as you want Sparse was a hole. We're not part of Barcelona hole or what he was saying is any. We're not GONNA be allowed to write about. Don Jr. was that's what K- markle this yesterday. We will yeah. I mean we always. We'll we'll do our thing absolutely no issue with it. He came in this game right from Dave. I mean I I think there are lines. Why isn't even crossed? Yeah that's entirely but I'll tell you if if the son of the present who's super active on social media is kind of a meathead. Frankly but I mean sort of. Don't be surprised if he did. KFC radio like a totally non political show to show on. He's one of those guys. Four million million followers on twitter. We're GONNA ask him boat Porno today and he's going to say something that you know I I I thought to be a good fit to be one of these guys are just comes into Barstool. I wrote his book and does I don't know maybe they'll have. I have no idea but I I. I don't understand the I don't know I. I was surprised at that. The enemy hustle. The what are we ought insects. What are we because he's because he's a republican or because he's like what doesn't I mean like even if the headline is Kirkman Kirkman interviews Donald trump junior people know but but get the fucking Bagel guy on another just another New York blowhard race and the other thing? Don Jr. is not running for office. He's not a politician. He might be some time but not not. Officially they've had they've interviewed Tulsi Gabbard. They've interviewed Andrew Gang and they'd had no problem. MM promoting those on those around the block thirty but they did. He interviewed injury angry. They also yeah right blog posts about they add up on the homepage. Well Yeah Yeah right and I mean it's also but again I think it's a thing where same chaps you know A pussy another pussy came. Marco Gotten Dave's era was like his DOC fucking pussy. You sit there and you write this great thing the other day about this asshole from Iowa and you're doing the fucking trump. Junior's whole book is about how the media's the culture triggered now Marco was triggered triggered. Yes book was basically about K.. Mark and we're on the deal with the same people like. Oh you're like Hitler alert for having fucking Don Jr. on fucking Donald Trump Junior. I mean let's lock in flights. I mean we didn't give him a platform I mean he's he's like one of the sons from succession Shen. Yeah I guess I mean we Kinda meet at New York meathead is. Dan Happens to be president. He's rich these interesting. Have a modest. He piece has some stupid shit. I mean I mean what I just understand how. That's not obvious. Who's who who's GonNa? Yeah I'll tell you right now. Don't you four names right now. If Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies who's GonNa me on the fucking court. I want to know right and you'll be unbiased to Jesus. Did you do a collusion. Jesus are you gonNA run from there but I don't think he's going to answer that. I mean Don John Where Hillary Clinton's emails Donald Trump Junior Frank Sinatra junior on. We try to sure by the way they gave they come back with a hard no who Ronan Farrow's people. They did yes he's really he's beginning the UK leg of his tour could stay. Stay there the fuck out of the country could bothering us. They said Asshole the loser looking for twenty years and do a thing. Best friends the God bets knowing I should know it's not a big deal but should aggravate. Yeah like you try and you know I mean that seems like a no brainer. I didn't understand what it seems like. Ah Kay Marco is fine. He's guy he's going out of his way to start shit with us. We're so if your daughter vein successful show fuck you fuck that guy. 'cause I get if K Marco said I don't want this headline like Donald Trump. Junior says his father's meeting with North Korean leader. It's like okay. Well then I guess I mean I don't even go. I mean really care about that but yeah I guess but that's just boring put I love. BARSTOOL DOESN'T DISAGREE WITH OBVIOUSLY KMART DISAGREES WITH DONALD TRUMP junior. I'm guessing politically yes. So what asshole dependent the right. You know like we've never had liberals on the show. For what are we had a great Congratulations about the union ship. Yeah I mean that would be a piece of shit this fucking K.. Marco is I mean. Really fuck him no. I thought I can't explain it. I don't know I don't know why. Ah He would go out of his way to do three hours while he's fucking recipes. People do nothing. I'm sitting here trying one guest on no guests on every we don't ask for a fucking thing not one fucking thing and you do this and fuck that guy. Well now. He's going to be mad at all I said was you can't put it in the headline and Steve made it i. I don't know it seems like it's pretty cut and dried. Jesus well is beyond the into your. So let's talk about simply safe. I A recent American. The survey rather recent Gallup survey shows Americans worry more about burglaries mcglasson than almost any other crime more than mugging more than terrorism more than car theft and murder murder Temperature of the break INS are people. 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Around the clock monitoring monitoring simplisafe dot com slash cartel Kirkman Hanson. You the Kirkman show. That's simplisafe dot com slash. KFI Arc. Let's talk to my guy. My Best Friend Guy. Webb grew with everything politically really the next president of the United States. Donald Trump Junior. You know we were just talking. I is it's versus. Donald Trump. Junior the book is called triggered We were just talking like it's amazing so we wanted to have you on for whatever you know fifteen minute hit. Just talk about your bullshit whatever and when you have somebody now in two thousand nineteen whether it's your dad or you whomever with that last name it becomes inner office civil war about talking to somebody for fifteen minutes about stuff I it's it's you know what it is honestly it's triggering triggering. It definitely triggering. I've noticed that myself because I live the New York City so it's It certainly are you going. Are you going on the view I am. Oh that's going to be now that's GonNa be joy behar. I think may actually just had me explode like we watched her with a Tulsi. Gabbard said yesterday. Yeah Chelsea I mean this this is the inflexibility is unbelie. I mean you not but I think you you like the idea of going into being combative correct. Yeah I don't have to be combated listening to the reality of the world This Day In in twenty nine hundred I mean I can combated with the best of what I do. the only issue is for me going into there. That's that's a no win right. I mean I could be I could it could be well-deserved But it's been me being combative against five women and then you're Campbell because you can't do that because that makes your misogynist you know and that's the problem with damn that's a big genesis the book which is you know the double standard that exists for all these things everyone who wants equality. But you can't Broccoli question that kind of person you you you know you know what to tell advert I mean. I thought that was ridiculous. Terrible I mean and she's actually liberal. She's not like pretend liberal like she's not a moderate liberal as you pretty darn liberal And they still destroyed it because maybe she's not quite as liberal as Elizabeth Warren or. She's maybe not no quite you know a communist like Bernie Sanders like it. It's such a level of extreme Today and it's unfortunate that it's been you know so polarized and that it's gotten that way But we've seen that for a long time. I mean I you know you you've seen sort of in my opinion and I spent a lot of time in the mid West my sort of hobbies whether you know I think fishing shooting having stuff like that I spent so much time in the mid West. You know for real part of the country you know and speak the people all the time and they're like you know you see this notion that the Democrat Party isn't the Democrat Party up your granddaughter. It's not that sort of JFK with the alright cancelled. And he's a mistaken and that person wouldn't be you know he wouldn't be a hero okay. Party I if he was around today And you see so much of that. It's really. It is pretty tough. What's amazing to me is so I mean we show here parcel? When I'm a libertarian? So I mean I really. I don't care what you do in your personal life doesn't matter to me. I'm more economically. Conservative we run over these stories every every single day so you talked about the other day off Gayle King Sore these the story of the day of how the world's ending in every without fail every single time is personal right. You know the right the story. They'll have their opinions. We we ask them come on and just have a conversation. Just have a debate about it. And they won't talk about it. The the amazing thing to me is how the country is sort of flipped now. Where ironically you know thirty forty years ago like you said now the the right is more open to talk about conversations and stuff and I don't know I don't know what actually I do know? Honestly tell us that your dad was elected in for certain. That drove the left fucking bananas but that background. I'm nuts but that evolutionist I'll go to college campuses. I mean I was a college. Campus is in two weeks probably five in the last two months. You know I'll go and speak and I mean I'd have people get him tobacco you know and just literally scream just Forty five minutes. I'm actually I don't know whether it'd be upset or impressed because it's like wow that's like if you could channel that hate towards something else but like yeah. How good are your ideas? If you can't even allow other people ideas to be heard. Have you know you're right and I'm with me by the land. Proper more libertarian as well as from New York I it lived fairly indifferent but then I draw the line and I think sometimes we'll sort of explain that in the book I mean this is a sports show You know in the Trans Women in sports like you just not GonNa get me to buy into it like You know I don't care if they'll play sports. I don't give a crap how you identify. It makes no difference in my life. I as far as I'm concerned. Happy People are productive people but we have got like Fox the fighter That's good it is at a guy. I'll I'll come a female fighter fracture of the skull of might be male opponent in the first round like it's not right when you have women breaking every weightlifting world record Cassim ails Every day you saw two weeks ago it was the the woman. Spiteful Gordon deal world record world championship with 'em like the eminent here. But here's here's the thing so I agree like I I. I'm all for transgender rights. Do whatever you want. That's your life if you're happier great but you know Martina Navratilova herself spoke against this with agreeing with with what you said. Six seven months ago and this is this is a gay icon and they. They took endorsements away from her. No I listen. I grew up with a similar story too. My mother at they both escaped gone right. This is all in the book. I literally use her as the example of the book which she was again on an LGBT activist thirty five years took over. Tremendous amount of courage. Back then I mean unbelievable before yeah way before it was cool to be one and she knew this and they really really accomplish your military unfair and destroy forty years of work. It was like it was nothing so they hit her so hard. You have to walk it back a couple of days later and then you know three weeks later. She started hitting trump. Because that's the way to get back. I mean that's that's your trump neglects to. I say that we grew up knowing her hanging being You know it's such bullshit And it it just keeps going and that's the problem I mean your you're today you may not be woke tomorrow anymore you you you know you're GonNa be all right tomorrow even if you're still saying woke of today right Goalpost Post Luke so much there's a never ending it's like it almost like you have like you honestly like I I do some trouble and I like sort of having a good time with these things that it's almost like if you put a couple of guys in a room and I'm like Okay Dude how how can we screw with people like take it too far they still ridiculous that no one could you know and it's like they're not they're actually serious And again you can be as a live and let live as you want. But eventually I can't tell if I'm reading the onion or if I'm actually seeing real life anymore. It's amazing I in some of the headlines. I'm like April fools if you if you could have one mo one dad's a great Golfer You can have one one Mulligan for your dad on twitter. You get to pick go back and your dad's twitter history. It's One tweet away in your dad's twitter like the time he does. Your Dad. tweeting is fascinating. He's the greatest stuff and he's and he's also like you know when you forget like so. Your Dad is about the age. My Dad would have been if you still alive like my dad wouldn't know what to do with twitter life to pay. I wonder sometimes your dad like old. Does he freezes he another understand it. Does he understand it. Does he get it is he. Got Mark you've always been really good at messaging. I mean and as far as Mulligan Room. I've never thought about this getting actually tell the story about like bring hot myself a so you notice yeah. Didn't you fight the twitter. What he did I mean I got that call one time like you know maybe more than once? I'm like this is the White House operator. Ah President what's going on. You're like you're getting a little hot twitter. I'm like I love you and all but like come up. Maybe this isn't your awake. Maybe maybe we've seen it somewhere before. I learned it by watching you. You know I mean this whole process has been really interesting just you know and it again why I wrote the book as you sort of evolution than if you would've looked at US properly in any of our friends ends you know who would have been like you know Don's not really him in a dead or probably a lot more different than similar and stuff but it's you you put us into war with the BS that we've been going through for a few years whether whether it's the campaign whether it's the muller hoax all of that stuff you know for a few years and it's like Oh Jeez the personality you turn into your parents you know as your dad change. I mean you know you talk about you know you see the pictures of Lincoln and all this stuff. Do you get a feeling i. It seems to me watching him on a daily basis. It doesn't seem like the offices changed him. It seems like he enjoys it. It doesn't seem like it's it's it's eight now. He he likes it. And you know the realities of things I want to say about him like he's really consistent. You know my my the tweet. I'm doing the book But my old tweet for the last year was you'll him on Oprah in like nineteen eighty six being like listen. Our politicians are doing a lousy job. The trade policies are so ridiculous. We're getting screwed. I mean back then. It was like the Japanese. He's doing it by the way he was still right. I mean we have politicians that are making trillion dollars Christian that our children and grandchildren are going to be beholden to that have literally never functioned shinned outside of politics meaning. They've never had you know most of them never been in business. They don't understand how that actually works. They just you know run around people for money to get reelected like these are people that you wouldn't let negotiate like a car league You know but we're we're so I have no trillion dollars an hour ago. How Fun you know It it's. It's pretty scary. I mean he's literally really been complaining about that incompetence for decades The difference than him and most is you know you can only throw stones on for so long before he wants to get into game and so he did and I. I think that's so Donna like a couple of weeks ago. You re tweeted Dave Portnoy because he was getting in a fight with Alexandria Cossio Cortes and now the feds are actually investigating instigating him for saying he doesn't WanNa labor union at Barstool if he gets arrested by the federal government. Will you get your dad to give him a pardon. Well you know we'll have to talk talk about that off the record. I think I think you'll I think you'll be fine but I mean that's the nature of can't even je eh debate and here's what he said you know what I mean like is nonsense but they can't pay tax are insane. I mean this is the same person pitching ninety three trillion dollars every new wonderful fifteen years of us. US government. Read you if you look all of government revenue for fifteen years straight. That's ninety three trillion dollars. I don't I don't agree with her on anything. Basically we'll see but I'll give her this. She's not dissimilar of your dad. In the way that she has rallied Abass at a certain time like Bernie Sanders. Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren Harris. They're all bores like I think she's. She's a loon and I think that's very fair. I mean I you know I just think it's sort of an irresponsible pattern but I've been speaking. You can say what you WanNa might like that. And he's he's done. It created business. Look at the results. I mean you know. We had all time. Low global for every demographic all time high startup is breaking stock market records every a few weeks people's 401K. You know you can say when you want the understands what you're doing the hours ago the other side we would do exactly the opposite. But you're actually issue certainly been able broker Garner a base. But then they they do that stuff. Where it's you know they'll go after the yes vote? You know blue checkmark twitter. You'll start trying to destroy me each. He tweeted out of the whistle blower. I was like literally like re tweeted an article in Breitbart that had the guy's name like in the title he was was on Drudge. Four days ago Drudge realclearpolitics a couple of. I don't think I outed anyone but it was like because I need it. That was the outreach. No I guess they didn't want the name out apparently It looks like because he's not vote with the road people. You'll crying in front of Obama when my dad went to visit when he was just president-elect Alexa his lawyers guys thinks it's January of seventeen on my father was inaugurated impeachments next the coolest started. I mean does anyone believe it goes both hitting Russia. Set up at this point like this guy worked for Brennan the other guy by the Congress of course he doesn't get in trouble because he's one of them. This is the kind of bullshit here. We go another another set up with greer's we had to deal with Russia and that that's the reality I mean I think I wish people just let him do his job. How how can you? So you've swore a couple times this conversation when you're around Mike Benson in mother pence. Are you allowed to drop F bombs s words. All how does it is. Everybody dressing. Puritan clothing is the situation. Honestly I I I probably I probably do consciously kept myself a little bit WVRC city business guy on construction sites and stuff like that so I you know I probably get a little looser conversation than some but like You know I'll I'll say this. I probably we do check myself a little bit more on that but you know he gets bypass against the terrible rap and he is such is such a good guy and we'll talk about. I'll give you some example there. If you you know if something happens in your family my son broke his leg. You know it's a couple years ago Really badly had to get surgery femur back in pins play like it was a it was a mess and like you know the first call. I got like he knew about it before anyone you my dad knew about it. I actually like for second call. I got was Mike Lynch like and it wasn't like this. Was the the White House operator hold for the VP. Pick up the phone. It's like Hello Don Mike Pence. How are you doing there? Is there like fifteen doing it himself. He's not doing it. I mean he's the genuinely awesome human being heater. Great Guy and I know I know people like want to Kreider disarmed us into religious. And that's a sin these days like in this. Nobody you know it's really. They really are good family. It's a shame that the you know the media tries to do that to him. Well if If Mike Pence is one of the nicest guys in the Republican Party Dawn. WHO's the biggest ASSHOLE I? There's a couple people that have been pretty vocal these days. You know You know I won't say because it'll just drive for news cycle for the next Komo. Steve is ironically. St was raised in Russia's. Subtlety has been lost. I was on a different angle but but put this way. Who are you? Who would you say has been most most disappointing? I think it's pretty obvious on. CBS News winning. You know there's like who's your favorite Democrat and I said Mitt Romney you know what I mean like You know guys Lincoln and who. Hey and by the way. But it's a lot of the establishment Republicans who you know get up there on the stump speech and they use our conservative principles and values and then they get a little pressure from the you know the press a Democrat Okay well I'll hold you know the the Republicans oversee three years. No one's been better at snatching defeat from the jaws the victory than that. My main at the first sign of pressure at the first sign of resistance. But the first aren't a bad precedent. And I want to be called pet name so I'm just GONNA give up. I'm like well. What are the principles you talked the Oj? But don't you think so to me like social media has taken away the guts of so many people like they're so afraid whenever the twitter wind is blowing like it's the easiest grabbed the easiest thing for Republicans to do is dump on your dad like you're going to get you're getting the big victory lap one's going to say how thoughtful you are and then nothing nothing's accomplished but you get that day got you that day in the Sun and it seemed that Donald. Could you please endorse me. Did he come to you they win. I don't agree with trump. Give me a break. I hope so. Full of Shit but a chance to fight. I mean they're running campaign ads. But Hey we're GONNA do that. Well I don't I don't know it's you're now you know there's some there's some pressure like you know someone from you know politico is going to call me a bad name. You know I don't WanNa do that. I'm like Christ man that's the reality. Yeah I mean trump's first conservative You know since Reagan but certainly on a Reagan steroids in terms of the level of fight that has brought him. That's actually fought back and that's the irony of all of it because you're in sixteen fifteen. What's probably a conservative company owning conservative? Like you know he's just GonNa fall all these issues like he's actually been the only in modern does it. Actually you know push forward and get those things don't but he's also GonNa Cross party lines of the prison reform and no not exactly a Republican base issue. I'm not exactly helping a lot of Republican voters opportunity zones in the same. You know those district says weren't you know you're not helping Republican voters and Beijing. I did it because it's the right thing to do you know. And he has the guts to actually be able to do that. And you know the the guts to be able to take that and bring it to Republicans and say you'd better vote on this to And again he doesn't get the credit for that because it's so much easier to just be like orange man bad. Why you know like Deutsche? I I think about this sometimes. I do every day because we have these sort of enemies we fight against. If like all of a sudden one day everything woke up and you know peaches in in rainbows and everyone's like New York Times like Oh trump's great in the post. Oh give another chance and it wouldn't wouldn't it sort of not be any fun on anymore. Is it more fun to have these people to fight with. I don't know I mean don't you. That's that's my mentality like. I said writing this. You're not reading this book without that right. No not even not even a little bit. I mean that's that's a big part of the book but I do talk about the pieties right. I'm going to talk about finances and the mainstream media just giving up the notion of you know objectivity I mean you saw last last week. Right I mean Albuquerque. The leader of Isis the guy that is thrown homosexuals off of buildings a guy that's journalists on fire in cages like the Washington reports. The what was it an austere chuck. Todd like he's you know you always knew as a liberal but these people have just just snapped not at. They've lost it so they've given up that pretense of objectivity there sort of making it. Easy for a guy like major just dunk Ghannam so you know and so do i. Don't mind the combative side but again it's not for everyone. Not everyone can function. I love what you've been doing in the last week would ditch bid which you know not being sports a couple of years ago being a political blog and I was like man. This isn't like some crazy stuff. So you know they did. Did they ever respond to afford around on the Butler offer. Because I think he turned it down by way. Of course we tried to have six deadspin people on no known. They don't WanNA fight. They don't WanNa have a conversation. They wave the flag right. I get in. They're not in the position of strength. That's what I'm going on the you'd you like. I'm going in there as the even the Conservatives on the view hate my family and ate my and it's true I'll take merchant and you know what's going to happen anyway I could. I could there be the nicest getting out of the world you back you know very. You'll measure reasonable arguments. And you know that no matter what. I don trump gets destroyed own. You know what I mean. It's like literally no win for me. You know. In in the social justice it's just wars But like I'll do it anyway and I'll keep going on college campuses and you know you you gotta be able to stand up for what you believe in. And that's a big part of this book you it got a mother that escape communist checks spend a lot of time talking about my evolution into conservatives. I mean honestly like I said I'm more like you probably much more libertarian than anything you know but you know this wasn't a mindset that you know you're the son of a billionaire from New York Ivy League school like you're not supposed to be a conservative but I had actual things in my life that sort of shaped my mindset incred- You know and get into a lot of detail in that in the book I get to talk about sort of you know what it was like you know for two and a half years being you know literally at target where you had had happened. Congress literally saying you know we're GONNA throw him in jail for treason and treason carries the death penalty. Really Twenty minute unsolicited me. Like what about Hillary repaying like four and operatives to go in there collector into the FBI the FBI leaks to the press. The press writes the story. The FBI uses the fake story based on the leak To justify an investigation and cost the American taxpayers forty million dollars and everyone in the media bought into it hook line and sinker because it was bad for trump. What's interesting is the perfect example for me is Epstein who your dad new? And then you know tried to get kicked out and all that but you know they talk about cloud that he would like our club and promised like fifteen years ago if you google trump google quinton emptying. Well that's right that's right. That's that's that's right and getting at is that the Bill Clinton Epstein connections much stronger and no one wants to talk about that. No one wants wants. I mean literally on that island like fifty times. It isn't like you know trump like. Yeah he was a party with a bunch of other like you'll palm beach people like all that happens. That's what the nature of social areas. I mean there would be any different in New York. And that's you know there's a group of people and they're going to get the honestly you're gonNA. Yeah but you know when that was breaking out it was it was funny because a good friend of mine was opening in events One of the islands just as opening up a resort is a developer And like when that was all breaking down they got this report what we hear that Donald Trump junior was on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein. Flew Down with him to the now didn't happen. They're like no. We need proof. I'm like well. What was the party like? It was two thousand five like really like I got to like. I literally luckily I literally had my calendar's now here's you. The reporter was show upset that I was able to prove that fifteen years ago I was on the plane with Jeffrey Epstein. They're like I'm like even if I was fifteen years ago before anyone knew what it was like. Hey the false equivalency is so fake but like this guy literally. It's been two weeks and I was like I. I literally had to go track down the FAA laws of my friends who I flew down with To be like listen wasn't unexplained there. Show me a pitcher. No no no we have someone that says as you were on it with them. It was like how about writing a real story now. I like Wine Armstrong Clinton and the other celebrities that are all going down and doing this and he's GonNa sure sure you've never been my thing And I haven't done it like you won't take my word for it and I need to go literally try to track down. FAA logs to be like nope. Okay here's the plan I was on. It wasn't interesting plan but nice try and he was like I ruined this guys like you know. He spent like a month trying to just to be able to again change. The narrative is not about the Clinton one thing we've learned this week is the media would never cover up Epstein story with that would never happen. Well that's the funny thing is now you know now. Now they're outraged now. They're searching for the whistle blower. I mean like I had to protect the lower like we're twenty. Isn't it because about twelve hours ago when I put the guy's already been a public domain for weeks like our Elizabeth. Now they're like well we can't have this guy the news station we gotta find out who gave us the project Veritas. I get them. I mean it's so ridiculous but I think that regular people I mean you know here in New York. You're not gonNA get as much of that. You're not gotta get much objective. It's it's the people that still have A Modicum of you know openness due to the truth of a modicum of openness that. They're not like no no no so if I'm not one hundred percent on board you know it's like the people that are actually like Tulsi or something that works like I could be ninety nine percent pretty liberal. But like I'm not that one percent like you. Yeah I don't care if you try to cancel them those people so well and I but I do think that in in in what's going on it but I do think that's why a big reason why your dad one is. Most Americans who voted order for him looked at the media and civil. I mean this is all complete or shit. They're much bigger issues. Then you know this. I think they look at it and say we don't believe them. We believe this guy. Yeah or or or even even more we don't we don't believe them. I just want to blow up the system and WHO's better to do that than trump and I honestly if that was the sentiment in two thousand sixteen sixteen. I can't imagine that sentiment not being worse than twenty twenty given everything we've seen for the last three years are the books called triggered. I'm sure we'll have you on whenever you want. You know reach each other. We'll have you on down the line. I hope good luck today but let me sure no. I'm sure they'll be plenty of trapper me to bitch about for the next the good luck. Today we'll talk to you. It's not I mean my God is sparse to GonNa not gonNA survive to get going. Go in the go in the other room. Get Mike and bring it back. You say I gotTa tell you about the phone call. I had with Mike yesterday. It was excellent. I mean pulled a prank on hold real quick he was he was excellent. I know guys I went to school like this guy's a New Yorker. He's the fucking talks to businessmen. He's invited me. He's like so totally self deprecating doesn't act like total both New Yorker. It's what he is like. I don't know what they thought this was going to be. I don't know as a Bill L. Like though I did notice. He's too much to run for office. I think like you know I will. I mean he can work on that. Did any of you guys get the impression that we were talking with. A Donald Trump imitator sometimes when he said Isis I did when he was a couple of greats. Where you can't help that I know people are GonNa you know whatever he came? MM across great. Whatever you say my name in the interview and you're kind of famous I like it? That's how it works. Yeah you're not going to try. He's not going to be the the big swing and a miss on both of my questions. Steve is previous questions. DOOZY'S I wanted to throw in DOPP bar still uh-huh comedy podcast. This time. We've just got to a point where you don't ask the look comes over your face when you realize you're not gonNA question it interview. That's what's IT GONNA be here. What was the question I was GONNA ask? You mentioned college campuses a few times. He's obviously trying to get on a bunch of different shows. I was GONNA ask if he's he's dealt with people not willing to have him on because they don't WanNa give him a platform yesterday. That's probably yes but it would be interesting if we heard who as you ask about a good gonna ask you support Dave Dave Portnoy in the two hundred thirty two election against a good question. And I was GONNA ask who killed Jeffrey Epstein. That's another good question. Why didn't you ask? Alas he'll be. Yeah we you'll find your F- epsteins killer between Shit from people ago you had this the fuck again. Which is why I wanted to ask the platform question because people just assume if you have donald trump junior ron? You're racist somehow cares if there's some some liberal nut out there who wants to come see call this right now. We'd definitely have Gordon or anybody different than other like I'm happy to have all of them on. Even the one thing I did say was you mentioned trim on twitter. And he's the best meaning he's funny me to follow -dorsements yeah right. He's he's funny to fall onto it. It's great to follow up so I called up Mike yesterday and I was like. Oh Yeah. So how's that uh-huh Greg. How's everything going that your plan Oh by the way anyways the real reason I'm calling because this interview tomorrow is going to be kind of a more of a serious one. So Kirk says you can have the day off. Who the word? I'm looking for a very passive aggressive. All right I did mention that surprising here this morning. Yes well you didn't need. How did you how long did you? He only he was only second breaker. I tried to I was like no. I'm just kidding. I made that up and he was like. Did you really think that this is what proved US wrong. I really did. I came through. Think thanks questions prepare. Why can't you just do it? You depositing bright in I know just jump right in. I feel weird because I'm not as interrupting you too and your your lack of vision hurts you. Obviously you have to. There's a rhythm to it because a couple of times I was kind of giving you A. Can you even see this now no no. You can't even see this now you're just a blur. You guys are GonNa have to come up with some kind of systems system. Yeah you heart attacks. We've talked about this before though it's sort of I can't do a thing like well. Okay MIC would like to ask you. I understand you just like throw a piece of paper or something. Just start talking talk. Yeah so that's why I have a problem. dyson him guys. That just talk New Yorkers a big top as he's Kinda like dice dice there. Let's take him seriously crissy's I take him. He dropped a reference in there. Will he say he said something. Like one hundred percent are there you go. I had to say st was raised in Russia. I I had to say he's probably he's probably like so. I was talking with Russia there. Steve is like who's the biggest asshole Republican Gotcha mother fucker the subtlety of a fucking sledge. We didn't talk off the air about The pardon for Portnoy so good yeah. That's that's interesting. Yeah Yeah He. He's by the way clearly. Barstool referenced the Butler thing. Oh yeah he's into it so good now. I mean whenever we're GONNA take you can't win like K.. Mart going to be offended by that. I guess so we talked about. It needs to go to jail for outing the whistle blower watch this. The you know what do you have that Tulsi Gabbard stuff from yesterday when he's on the view today which will make news. Because he's right he's right about this. It'll be like You know all these. left-wing swing watch joy. Behar Don trump junior like it'll be it'll be joy behar to saying you're you're me. Oh she should do what. They're what they're doing hers. Actually disgusting led by Hillary Clinton told you is because of Hillary. Hillary Clinton is a woman who could fought in the military for this country so I wonder with Shit Lake that I've probably not at this point but I always wonder if Hillary Clinton is doing that to give tells Gabbard more of a name if there's some sort of no because tells the pretty much done but she's saying that she's a Russian operatives. She said she's had had Foreign policy opinions that run counter to mainstream Democrat Party and also when she was much younger she was anti-gay marriage right like she came from like a very Christian Jin conservative household like Barack Obama. She like Hillary Clinton yes right so she's changed your mind on it. Yeah it would never ever. Even if she was the most anti gay person from the top of her head to the bottom of her feet would never vote anything that way now anyway no so. Who gives a shit like what is it? A- all matters how she's going to vote she might have thoughts. I think they wanted to take her out because she would go. After like Kamala Harris she destroyed Kamala Harris some some women and and the Democrat Party thought that Kamala was going to be vice president or even president. I would vote for either her or Mayor Pete Right now Tulsa tells the Anga I'm a don trump junior guy. That's why gophers call me up. He said just give me a call come on any time. Maybe trump junior vice president. I could see that I could see that. So she's on on yes. She's on the view yesterday. In listen to this vomit joy. Behar this humorless. Is this supposed to be a stint comedian like yours allegedly now. She's like she looks like she's three hundred i. I think she's still very funny. She looks bizarre. All I can I can the feeling I get when I see Joy Behar Smelling Alto. So it's just it's just a joyless room he's been ranting political didn't Barbara Walters make the shop so she's like women talking about like shit the girls talk about that was that was pre trump. Everybody's even become come. WHAT DONALD WAS ON super goal? Okay because they would get they have. I'm convinced no one watches this by the way except for in clips that are posted to social media. You like everything that's the tonight show now whenever you want whatever it is by the way I saw. It's funny. We talked about this the other day the tonight show versus Rogan. The Guy who was the executive second brewster that's nature that day I was reading Left left the job got rid of them. Because they're losing now to Colbert and they're almost losing kimmel now. Two million viewers tonight and I wrote romance more on Youtube. I think so even audio and that's by the way people like some people will just flip on the tonight show. Yeah it's just on like people are going to us going going to sleep after your whatever whatever you're watching on NBC. By the way look from our September October download numbers up. I looked up. Twenty percent twenty five. Yeah Yeah so there you go. People are listening. People enjoying people looming the product. So listen to this. Listen listen to this fucking joy behar of this woman we were getting. We're getting a little bit far ahead of ourselves but Franklin Graham finds you refreshing his finery refreshing rushing Richard Spencer. The white nationalist leader says he could vote for you. This is what someone said they would vote for. What what is it you you Richard Spencer thing he knows who the fuck is if it wasn't for Joy Behar and CNN they take boogeyman and try to make him up into build them up to like some big league national figure and then use him to hurt people? They don't like play this as as vomit assert a costume at least ten times. Why don't you go on Chris Wallace? This is why that's right. She's she's that she's critical of Democrat for going on a Republican show. She's on their show. Yeah she's on. The show was like why. Don't you go up Chris Wallace show. Oh she doesn't want him to ask me why is. Why is Chris Wall? He's also on Fox right. Yeah but he's a little bit more down the middle I know but like why wouldn't you say why don't you go on Chris. Matthews's it's an odd. It's an odd thing to say. She's got like programming complaints about go on this Fox show and so that this show where the people who like you in the last two questions like right here. It's you sitting there good as you. Another people continue to to spread these innuendos. When does that have nothing to do with who I am and then you start back at her boy you call the Queen you double down hold on again? Hillary Clinton basically said she's a Russian operative like the Russians are placing her main charring candidate in like Enjo- fought back at her or for that the question is supposed to say. Does anyone want to disagree with the characterization of Hillary as a warmonger. No look at Libya right now. Supported the fuck in Iraq war. Yeah she's a pro war pershing. She was a total war. Hawk down on the baseless accusations that she made that strikes strikes at the core of who I am a soldier because of the attacks on nine eleven I enlisted in the military to go after and defeat and destroy the evil that visited us on that day served now for over sixteen years deployed twice the Middle East during the height of the war. Were every single day. I saw firsthand. That terribly. High human cost. Why ran for Congress? We actually have the clip of Hillary Clinton just put in context of what we're talking about. Let's take a look at your breaking any predictions. But but I think they've got their eye on somebody WHO's currently in the Democratic primary and our grooming her to beat the third party candidate. She's a favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of you. Know if you put that on the sounds like fucking Alex Jones the entire Democrat Party. She's the Russian so he's really absolutely why are you full speed Hillary's just been sitting around ever since the election. Just like fomenting just like. What are the Russians going to do to me next putting together a third party candidate my other ways supporting our so far? And I'm assuming Jill Stein will give it up which she might not because she's also a Russian she so better asset she's also really. I mean. This is outrageous. This is outrageous and offensive on so many levels. Hold on I if I was coaching. Coaching Tulsi more passionate about this outrageous. Maybe she is a right to tell Jiang very robotic Tulsi like as a kid it ah the. KGB's school always always held. Great Promise. was that great promise. Russian accent as bad uh-huh I've served as a member of Congress now for almost seven years receiving high level national security and intelligence briefings serving on the foreign affairs committee. The Armed Services Committee Committee the Homeland Security Committee working to ensure the safety and security of the people of this country. This is why I'm running for president to continue that commitment of service. Are you surprise though that when people see bots and things and all the things that we sort of been seeing heading your way. Do you think Whoopi Cinnabar knows. We'll be again Goldberg. Senior reports that twitter bots used to be like a comedian. Like Acting Funny Movies Jessica non also sometimes times. Oddly the voice of reason on that show I think she's. I don't know enough about the dynamics of the view. I joy behar's seems like such a when I went to the did this thing for Al Pacino. Qa when they without Pacino at foxwoods we had a we did a bunch of reeds for it. They sent me there. I went and saw no I was like I was actually kind of excited and it was like this is good. The it's a live show potato talks with career. I'll watch joy behar. She's the interviewer she fucking. She fucking knows nothing about the Chino script hater. Ever since you didn't know anything nothing about him. Nothing that's that's actually. The first time I talked to you the first time I interviewed you you were I believe heading there really. Hey I'm pretty sure there you go so she I forget. She said something at some point and she was like Ah in Godfather to right. There's no better than your buddy macklin quietly. Even what do we do. Do you not know that it was something else sushi forgot. She forgot something at some point and he was just he. Oh that's was. He just kind of negotiates for the Irishman even that long ago and she she said to him is accentuated. Have you ever worked with Robert. Deniro your Robert Deniro. He's like well we were in heat and she's a go. Oh he yeah my go fuck. Fuck now eight. Jesus Christ That people have these questions because she's not the only one hillary I don't think is the only once so who else I'd say. What did she say she feels they are grooming you? Four seven has accused now. Because I'm I'm a soldier and a patriot. It's offensive to me as a soldier as an American as a member of Congress as a veteran and frankly as a woman to be so demeaning oiling nation. I'm pointing to the fact that she has this legacy of bees. The world has waged wars costing the lives of thousands sisters in uniform. I'm speaking out against that. Which means that? It changed the serious tariff I served in the war. You are you sensitive war Iraq yet. She championed she she champion to regime change. I believe the lies that were told to us. So did Shane so hold on so one of them is a US senator at the time the wife of the former president she believed Bush's lies. That's defense for killing is some young woman in Hawaii wherever she was says. Join the military. Join exactly the same thing you might find her. She's a woman it's like. Yes I criticize her. You call her a warmonger monger when you are actually fighting and she's she's saying you criticize Hillary she's a woman. Also why would you do this well. I'm critical of you also suggests that was a plant for Russia's uh-huh run for president and the other thing is so fucking idiot Meghan McCain is still on the show I didn't hear from her and so they're outraged by what trump said about John McCain because Oh he's a he's a veteran. You can't say that wasn't asshole thing. This was an asshole thing to say. But you can say whatever you want about the Mulligan. That's what I thought he did. We did not go. Did Not go from elegant. The trump could take anything he probably wouldn't take it back a total. He wouldn't take anything back now. I mean after after how he did the native American War Whoop during the campaign of Warren. They were flying back on trump force. One and trump said. Don't apologize never apologized true as always going to make it work Hammond. You'll never walk anything back. Did you. Listen to Howie with Donald Trump. Junior did not. I did not get a chance to do that if I stole. His mother pence question or not picks up being an all that was good but he acknowledged as. I'm sure it's a very nice guy and everything but was yes. John Featherstone looks like Pencil but by the way so if somebody note that there's a little bit of that the cops the cops was like where's John Featherstone. I gotta I gotTa find it. Just the guys like Mike Pence so he said all right so yeah so they. It goes a a little political talk today. He's happy for the week. We'll start doing comparative Can Songs and we'll do our usual stuff here in a minute. What else yes? We have Simply Safe Oh. We'll do simply safe in the moment do. Do you see the video of the young transgender woman. Who did okay? I heard about this story here. she's a friend of Rich Keller's knock on strike again. We'll try in so cal her put this together. I believe so. I don't know exactly what's going on but I think that he's he's trying to use this woman to soar twitter Christ that's really nice And Dunk on our interns. So why I think he's. Here's the internal tweeted something along. The lines of this is how you get views on a video so I think that this woman is being used by rich Kelleher. That's tied to talk to her. It seems that she's I mean but she's not a plant. What I'm saying? This is not a blind Mike groupie right. I don't think I don't I don't I don't know anything about her if you don't know anything about her. Except for her connections with rich. Are you gonNA reach outdoor outdoor. If that's what if that's what young member the transgender Camis willing to have a conversation we always say I mean I know right. It's more the count her aspect of him. She wants a real conversation great. She's playing some game with rich Kelleher to get him. I mean then we'll just be. I just leave her alone. I there might be a little exploitation going on but my point is if she's comfortable coming then we should talk to her. I mean that will nor Kelleher. Yeah so reach out. We'll see it happens all right all right. What else do we have We have a ton of parody songs to get to at some point you good no. I think it's great. I'm looking forward to hearing something we had from yesterday. Did you see the The review of the Irishmen and that That the criticism is that it's a misogynistic film because the big female lead has ten lines in it or something like that so movie. That Scorsese directing erecting the Niro Pacino and Pashas male dominated yeah. They should've taken a backseat. How how does barely accent anymore get him out of the remaking remaking little women again this is just coming on the few weeks of the women have Mosa speaking parts in that movie or no? This one's specifically though is problematic. I think it's so much more offensive. The the only roles women get remakes of old movies that either either old movies that starred women or movies that we change now to star women. It's like write right. Something original for a woman. Instead of complaining doesn't start since thirteen host busters those suck inevitably. And you know I mean ah so scorcese making a movie. He's a guy he cares about. You know the these stories has never been a female super female friendly director. He just hasn't been as hasn't Spielberg. And these guys nemo he knows these guys make a move with these guys. Why is that bad? Well it's weird. It is weird you got to admit that a Mafia type film doesn't start. That's that's funny story. Set in the fifties and sixties. It's a different time. This is the story from the Guardian seen but not heard why. Don't women speak in. The Irishman Scorsese has created provocative roles for women but only six words in his latest film and a pack INS. Moral Specter is a sign of a troubling trend in Hollywood wh-what confusing the Paklin. That movie she doing running around there. I always said that but those abroad you say tomato. I always said Diane. Keaton deserved a bigger role role in the Godfather is focused on. You know. It's the worst part of the Godfather. Hate to say it barely. She's Peggy Sheeran the daughter of all right. Okay I mean gene so then you then you then you jam in some female character doesn't work. Then would you Jennifer Lawrence. What are you doing your? Here's Spicer Secretary Quip. I don't know who is the one who did the Sean Spicer Impersonation Carson McCarthy show up the woody bartenders. Sandra bullock play an astronaut. Every movie. She she was really good. I I don't know I I. I didn't even think that but that is forced. I mean even by today's standards that's forced. Of course I mean you know if you look at you know Scorsese's I'm not gonNA say what Scorsese's best movies if I had to pick one it'd probably still be goodfellas right. Yeah I mean women have what percentage of lines in that movie Fifteen fifteen percent I mean lorraine bracco is real. Parents got a big. I mean you know. It's not it's only one car that's the only one right. I mean you have some of the wives and the girlfriends but I mean it is really a mother mother. It's really precious mother source easy. It's really about. That's the same woman by the way who yells at Republican from upstairs. Samaan fun fact But you have you've got to ask about the masters which when the masters what year who when the Oh who the masters. Let's say ninety thirty ninety three was burned longer. Okay yes from Germany. You'd be making that name up throwing no I'm not looking. Who won the Masters Nineteen ninety-three Steve Look it up right now Bernhard longer? I think chip beck the American finished second. If memory serves correctly. I'd really like these made up. That would make me laugh. BERNHARDT EARNHARDT link this. Who for the second pink? nope sorry that was the whole house. The Pink Dogwood Chip Beck Finish. Second year I know this only master system press fuck around them But but I guess that's more important that they don't even want just equity in lines in movies. Have you heard of the Bechtel test. What's that it's it's? It's a feminist test for movies where a movie passes the Bechtel test. If two women have a conversation about something other than a man it sounds like a lot of fun. I pointed a female character and say give them more lines more tonight. Not really no different than like Jim. Norton Plays Don rickles in this movie. It's like if I complained like. Hey I'm Jim Jim Norton Fan and I like comedy make that more of a role in this film. Yeah or it doesn't make any fucking trying to think I mean. Look I've seen every scorsese movie. I think is he had a Immedi. The female lead character in the last. I don't know I mean last thirty forty years. I don't think some of his movies than I can think saying he's been a missile impersonators. Alice's live here anymore. That was forty five years. I'm trying to think of like you know I mean there are roles Jayco models wife and their stuff I mean even Economy Center Bernhardt Casino. We know Sharon Stone Senator Bernie a big role in in Kenya comedy. Yeah but I mean. That's that's not what he's that's he's amazing stories. He's interested in tally the stories. You know. Same Woody Allen's Spielberg's seeing with George Lucas same with Christopher Nolan by the way same with these guys Paul Thomas Anderson. Yeah I would say if you've got an issue with women's roles and movie star reading movies. Yeah I know what I mean. It's also I mean. Yeah and I mean I like senator. What was this? Is Sandra Bullock space with with Clooney Gravity yeah. She was excellent in that great ship ship over lines in the movie. Fantastic she oscar for it. You know the help. It was a big hit. Those uh-huh what you know one of my favorite TV show star. Women Really Woke Mike. I'm just saying look. Losing Lake Woke Mike Parody Account. Now do you have gay. Friends is to know he doesn't really stays those. There's a line he's not going after. Yeah right you can have all the voting rights you want. Fine befriends getting married to hang out with Jesus or hogs not playing a very sexual man. Hetero seem very much. Yeah but this is not going to be. This feels like it's not gonNA become a thing this particular store. No I don't think so you're right on it. I mean it is a story. Well I mean it's not like people are GonNa go see this movie because some woman doesn't have enough line's always Tarantino. If somebody didn't go back now go through. All the Scorsese moves. They did this. Yeah Ah Tarintino come on of course and they go through the movies and you're going to believe this. This is really going to surprise you. It's really going to surprise In taxi driver the most flying Deniro get the last temptation of Christ. Jesus true always think you're deniro when I see this movie. Yeah I say it will nice. It'll be nice to see like Pacino Deniro and Peci but they have the fewest lines of anyone performances dominates like I've watched de Niro. Oh Pacino impassioned my whole life. Good fell one of my favorite movies midnight. RUN LIKE Steve. My favorite movies. The godfathers my favorite movies. I really want to see the in the PAC with us. That's why that's why that's why I'm going to see like you know I'm a bigger Anna packwood fan. Where were you when you saw reservoir dogs? I've been seeing the theater. Oh no the memoir was prep school. Wilson North Hampton I was in a Jo rowbottom and Loic Petar does room watching on the VCR. Interesting yes Yup I remember. I was like this fucking blew me away but I remember saying guys know women speak those guys I mean. Why is it only these eight guy? I mean you know because Tarantino never made I don't know like two movies back tobacco. The female like Samarai fighter. Anything he's never had a movie starring a black woman your carry on after pulp fiction. do it everybody would have done. which is adapted small Elmore Leonard Novel into a movie for Pam Grier to do? You know 'cause everybody saying I cannot believe you can you. Can you find but at the same time like I said to my friend. Don Jr. you're like do we really want these people to go away the same time the fuck are we gonNa talk about then right. That's I kind of agreed with what he's out that they don't have a book to say that during the interview I was he was saying I was gonNA trump within their forgot just like trump does like for all his you know these people are trump. LOVES WAS CALLING THE NEW YORK Times writers and be like you're like me. Oh yeah he takes a Maggie Haberman all the time. She'll write a story every nine months or something. Yeah trump called me as what. What is it like what the they also have to respect if he calls up and says hey off the record like he knows how to use the press? There's an attention thing. Obviously so so he wants people to like him as much. I'm always fascinated by the trump late. Trump's I mean these done is it going to be Donald Trump presidential library. Oh yeah asses he right so much fucking gold when he dies in like fifteen years or whatever he's GonNa Lions State. Yeah if people who's WHO's GonNa go that's what I'm always fast. We know that we know presidents there when Bush senior died. That's all I can think of is what will they say when trump I would say think about the way Bush was regarded did when he was still president. They thought he was a war. There was no word but push push George W Bush all for sure but dodge paintings. Yes George W Bush went to college. They wouldn't have George W Bush's enhances now and Michelle Obama and like he's like he's a fucking by by way. I stand by. Hi this much worse. President than trump much more dangerous is responsible for killing. You know hundreds of thousands of people to this day worship going up because of this idiot yeah and now they goes on ellen and fucking dances and did the drawing and trying to fund wacky yeah. I don't have a lot of use for him and I do respect i. That's one thing I respected. What trump he doesn't give a fuck doc? Those people know trump's elected trump won't change when he's out. No no no no where he will be as quiet as George W Bush shes been post president once they're out of power attitudes might soften towards them. I like ten or fifteen years from now. They'll just look back at trump and I think said even I think history will regard him well. A history can be written by people hate him. I don't think so. We know the simply safe. 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Three guys talk. Yeah you're a comedy guy so I'll probably harbison the way. Thank you guys. Just bullshit in the rogue interview was very good. The Rogan to me is never funny in these interviews. He's trying to go. Yeah he's not trying to just a conversation he leads the guests go. I guess I mean how funny can you be. If you have ed snowden like karate either it was seven years old okay fifty. Do you think Harry is going to be karate karate. No I understand greenwashing forcing him to do crowded. It's like anything with parents. What did your parents heavy doing? Your Kid mockery nothing. I did things on my own. Free will what did you do when you were eight years old. I understand tornadoes in the woods. Poke squirrels with sticks. Wishing how much you by the Don. Juniors go in the middle of the country hunting always. I've seen the pictures I understand. But that's a nice common man like angle we needed. Allow them to use a kid but this dad went hunting in the bush. Do you think you think Donald Trump president trump is a big hunter. I remember I asked Eric Trump one time during the campaign. I was like soap. Your Dad does he cook it all you know well. He like steaks gorilla groups mistakes for you guys and he was like. Oh Yeah. My Dad loves meat. Well that can become meathead kind of because Iraq like he's in hunting showing that it's become sort of a Frat Guy Muslim become like a I'm Republicans on the base like I remember Rami troll. You also have to kind of fake fake it. Yeah there also are people who hunt I understand that Steve. It's not a criticism of just thinks that people lie about the two more Macho hunted Spend uh nothing's I moved to Massachusetts actually go hunting when you were in New Hampshire there a few weeks ago. Whatever was no no no did not Stevens of his bare hands? Actually I was hunting with a shovel I was just waiting for. There's some of the story I wanted to get to their before you get started. Yep and maybe I just have too much confidence as a guy. Oh Yeah I really WanNa go through but the story. Was You know what I'm starting to love the globe. Really what we do with I I. She's writing headlines just to trigger us. Is this one. I did not swing on. I saw like I am not giving this one. She gets this earn on her own. You GotTa do better than this because you send me actually saw the day before. He texted me yesterday around noon. Yeah I was like Oh my gosh the about us about that. You'd finally go for it again She didn't as it turned out but she said that the problem now is that men have too much confidence and they should lose some of that. Yeah so in that spirit. You know Harry's been having a good week at school and I said No. No no no no no no no I don't I don't want you to be proud of yourself at all fucking stop. That's good though. It should be humiliated because you have a few. She let them know you love you. Love your daughter more or less. Yes so mostly I do. I was like how are you you. You cannot no more confidence anymore. Okay I want you to feel bad for yourself keep your head down you cannot succeed. You'RE NOT GONNA you're not GonNa because your man it's not you have to. You have to lift your daughter autre up a lot better than you yes. Because she's a woman so the thing that women have suffered for for a long time which I agree is true now they want to do the men yes but just helping raise women's confident. This is like fourth wave. Feminism right the chairmen downs. It's not about making women equal. WE'LL WE'LL Steve. We've been uploading on Youtube. And Steve pointed out that we have a great example of Agenda Confidence Gap and that is my. It's it's true. There is a big gap overflowing with confidence and not just like. Oh Yeah. Oh Oh yeah Erica about this. I watch this. Tut's is too broad shirt off. We're talking here. Here's the situation. Okay Eh for nobody unless you tell me to put her in a place. She's still trying to recover performance. But you get and she spoke to some fucking loser expert. Did you see this and the gas. Yes well the column is actually just a reprint numbering for some stupid business journal. Yeah she she cites reprints. She's like some business psychologist. whose like yes? The problem is that women who should be taking asking asking for. Promotions aren't asking for promotions. Okay that's fine but by do you have to stop. Men from out of their homes. Premise was some woman. Won The her bosses like No. You should do this and she the one that do you Wanna one of doing it. Yeah some woman was reluctant to take a job a nice story. If it's true I mean that's a nice story. Whatever but their overarching points guys need to lose confidence now? I understand the headline is so fucking stupid. Like all them on her Costa's dumb it's fucking dumb. We heard from her by the way we have not know now her concerts and got back to us yesterday yesterday and said that she would review the email I sent but okay. I feel like that's probably going to happen. I feel confident about that. She's very open line do you. It's so fucking coming on all right. Let's get to it with some years. Some of these other stuff with tough to beat. Because it's it's going to be in my head all day. These allies will hit. It's going to be tough to beat. The new Kirkman show didn't start the fire. That was tweeted. I didn't purposely. Then listen to someone we have it. Yeah this is pretty good. Hold on give. The original was Kelleher. That is that that is we talk. It was ten minutes because we wiped off the record. No but that that that thing if that's true but this this transgender girl. That's that's not cool. I mean that's toll asshole but I mean it's great if she's she's a fan of the show but sure. I think. I think that there is some exploitation going on. I don't I don't think it's cool. y'All are some some some tokenism going on. Now what's the fuck I mean. If that's I mean I I mean that's pathetic. Obviously here's this is good some good references that haven't been used. How long has it four minutes? He's rescue nuts to get permission from village openness. Yeah Oh yeah yeah. He called this morning mccarey play red snapper texted main. Do we seek popaginos. Big Papi the most obviously Josh New and Oj's lawyer Bendon thin didn't Scallon. POWs little Alex Joe Louis. CK Some it's a good reference calmed Pino bent on rating from Bark Cannon Daily Keep Devon Jonathan. Talk Tony Candidate. Cut is a three or four verses. It's been brandy love McAfee and Bomba Socks Kirk. Panda Andy Nolan Big Daddy. Graham Thirteen th easy red claws big calf tag by Kansas. The guy says in some references we would never even think of that is funny. Thirteen the red claws on big cat. Take Buckets Mike. I can make me by my Scott Pru. 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We've got six more here. You're the kind of the beginning of Steve's ally ahead on Thirsty Ford all morning beginning is not meet. I don't get pick. We employ the whole thing on the Clinton and twitter. Nobody's on Youtube. The whole things on Youtube Mike they they don't Logan Paul Winter Hat ca-car wrote those books didn't need any thrown. Who knew he had no goals dried no owners in DC students at the heart contest? He was real quiet. I sees the department the Parliament Football Mason as about all michaeline about my brother. That's to disguise got another one or maybe not the term when he had a quarterback ah fourteen he was just made. Who talked about the wool Birdie? Yeah that's great. The those are both credible excellent credible not as good as the ones on the other zero block thirty ones and I mean those are great to. It's easier these are great. Oh I can see kind of just come and dealing it fits the title. Well the writing the neck I do for them and fires unbelievable. Why just picture again Dan? I think this is GonNa work for the live show. We're going to play a bunch of them. I can picture. The crowd is going nuts for shadow wires. I mentioned before the one thing we blew the live show. We didn't do. We didn't do in Olot weird now. That was a mistake bill doing next. Yeah all right. Do these get progressively worse. That guy is save that were there any real stinkers no No not really okay. There's there's some that are just just like shorter. Maybe like one years. There's the concept is good. It's fine but it's you know who's the main target I think listen to IAEA Lia just Branco had morning show Bob Killed Mall back it funds in the shore and Peace Abbey through while it at my extra dot that Russian spy essay essay. Would I really wanted Hugh podcast. Jesus would I really want to hear is a four our show bad radios. Would I need Doodoo your show heads. NYC He said and the breakfast show is gonna blow his load suck magic search search for fifty percents off to stay the one podcast. Jesus would I really want to use his a four hour. Our show Sims brand calls the minivan show will have to do yeah. That's pretty good bed. You know. This is tough stand. That's what I was thinking of songs are always a little bit better but that was the willies. That was good again very creative. Yes that's remarkably creative in case the musical brain man it is I I don't have that's you know I'm more of a writer. Good production. Everything's voice sounds Yes. What do we have next? This one's just called blind. Mike's Tears oh I don't I don't know if you're this and as trobe son home show you get a show malls. Oh starting new mom you keep those in terms of the plan. The alone isn't the biggest pussy and take it. That's a good one. I have no original original composition but I think even more more more skill. Yeah yeah that's a good one goes good good. 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The thing is the blind. See how we come see. See how he comes. He tried to buy now. The wasn't rise. You wanted to do so in my mind. Mike see how we come see how he comes. He's assess proceed across elected by Monday. Lee Nine uh-huh expect expect one. Nearly blind mine wrote the whole song around the close it hereby Mike McGill might be a little crowd favourite. We have to fly this guy in bed bath yes Ireland. Yeah Guy only one nights all right. Well let's do this. Yeah Dear Bye Mike Song. Someone asked me if someone reached out and said they were from Denmark and they didn't know how to get shirt like they wanted to buy a shirt and connect into culinary. It really is. How many more do we have two more? Let's hold them off gets more tomorrow and kind of do them as a group. No uh-huh protocol for some more couple. Every day I think it would be good if we keep the center of the Bay of together and we have a live performance and then if we do two a day between now federal we'll have three hundred fifty of those good for twenty six our show. Yeah yes tomorrow by the way is the. We didn't start. The fire was honor of one hundred. The show that's a tweet I saw. Yes which is tomorrow Mar Right yes. Wow incredible humbly season here for twenty six of them. That's fine that works out flies by. I've ever seen the show. I know that Mike Castle. I guess that's true. It's me I wasn't invited for certain saying but that's what Jesus nothing nothing between what's going on in the world here. Anything interesting now. Just the cream pie was trending on twitter. I don't WanNa fall. I don't WanNa fall into the The the Kelly's tweeting about this girl now is fucking shit just noise and yet you bring him up on someone who want to hear from her though I interesting stuff like I really don't care about him but it is an interesting story. I would just like to know that it's genuine and I don't want to be. Let's talk to her today because I don't want it. He also come in and talk to US fantastic if a real story to tell great but I don't want him they're making a wacky. It's not that someone is you know. Let's let's hope that's that's not what is i. Don't think he would sink to that level but maybe I think it's possible out of the room of possibility absolutely. Yes anything else Steve. No I don't think I have anything else. Anything else swabbing. I just had a bunch of parody songs. I was going to play those. Oh they found the keys from his dog by the way like. Oh thank God yes. I was worried about that. Why am I trying to be? I'm not going to be. I'm not going to be mean about that. That's very nice. I like that's good that she was very wha- do But it's amazing I was with the The dog last night H.. Harry okay. We're having dinner at Mario's Lexington Center. Great Great Italian Joint Little Ola talion like you know so he can get his right. He likes rub. You always had my spaghetti. Fuck fuck all business. Last night there was a two women next to us. We were seated like and you can't see me almost see like Steven our closer than we are like face to face like this okay and they were sort of right next to US same way but it's very very close so you can hear everything. Yeah in this woman was talking to the other woman endlessly about her dog like to the point. I can tell you the woman wanted to be like shut the fuck exhaustion and she was talking about the size of at this dogs defecation bigger lately. That's about ninety people talk with the kids a lot. But I've never been like you know. Boy Harry Shifts depending on the you wouldn't believe the women faint interests like she was. I could tell there was genuine interest. No no she did ninety percent of the talking this was during the trump interview and then she just about the women next to me. The other night was talking about with the gluten to free this dishes gluten free but that other one might have glutinous. I might eat that one but I'd rather have that doctrine doc. Yeah well did you reach over and intervene at any point or did you use it as a life lesson for Harry. I'm he was yapping. What do you feel after the other woman in that? And then you see the couple's now a lot of the older couples who just sit there in silence the whole time or on their phones. Yeah that's that's the other thing is you have two of them on their phones. Respect that though like if you get to the point where you're old enough and you're comfortable enough just to not talk alone meet your book and I don't know isn't is that you do that. I do that I like. I'll go to lunch alone sometimes and I'll sit with my headphones in weird. Yeah it makes me feel the second lunch ago for belly or balancing Assumed it's okay. Yeah there's there's one story we're going to do but I have no idea. So what's the headline today. Guess Short all right Kirkman and a hand steals music from Billy Joel. Cheese is in a new book. That came out that it'll be it'll we'll be talking about for a little while it's anonymous Former trump official said that the only wrote the OP. Ed Awhile ago. Yeah I think so. I don't know I don't know if they've connected to the two I'm not sure Yeah but but everyone's saying right. Yeah no the the real story of the day is forget our show. Nobody cares about our show. No this This around the Horn knockoff on instagram. Kony's putting together. That's what does that did he call talk to you about it. Yeah it's fine on my creative. Yeah I mean it was it was it was a colony tax. There was you know there are some idea hidden behind the words. I was like. Yeah go home up real quick. We'll see with these with his tickets so we know what it is. Or what's a show. Hold on your economies. We're not articulate stuff some of really good explaining what the show can't back the fuck which fucking problem with this. Oh He's GonNa go. Oh no why. Why would he now so excited now? what's the matter. What did I do do you want to answer? That's a cool move jerry business. She not really what the Fox man. I just want to talk a little bit about. What was that? What the fuck is up man? Talk to each other. We talk about. I said what's talk. Criticizing criticizing you dave criticizing Stevo spots. I tweeted yesterday. Hold on I tweet yesterday. I like this idea. I just might not really as usual. What's going on? So can you explain to Mike as best you can give me. You know what this is going to be Co basically around worn for the. We're also I. We did it this morning. Ten minutes. Okay so yeah. Yeah you could see Alex. WHO's The I'm putting you on the Kirkman a hand show social channels outside? Look at your. I mean. We didn't have that discussion so if we have the I assume instagram you idiots. You know 'cause I didn't I didn't want to assume that you just like this Saikia and put it out there so I'm doing a pilot if you liked it and wanted it there. We'd put highland highland around flicked. Alex Ward Littlefield Dave. I always thought that it was going to be on our instagram. I just didn't I just texted you about it because I didn't want to do something out of the balloonist. Go without you guys without you knowing without you knowing about it but I didn't like it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. You think it was it did it. Did it turn out okay or no I did. I thought out a turned out better than I thought. Wildest who. WHO's on PJ Hubbard from Providence? Mary Minihan who was the best out of all are okay in this. The Tony Reality if you will I I definitely definitely. It definitely definitely awkward success on today we get we're GONNA put on the Instagram No Uh no I don't know why what's the fucking talking about because we just want to see what it would be like. I want it to look really Polish. That's not going to be good anyway. Either get a spinal Polish thing with with fucking Steve from providence in Ra Monaghan. It's supposed to be funny and Goofy in messy and stupid okay. Okay okay. I don't care where do you want to tell me what you what you want to be on the grammar. No Steve What. I thought it was going to be on instagram. Can you put it on instagram. I can put it on. Yes so how about. We put it on Instagram We promote it on twitter and it helps you grow the instagram and then we see how it is. Maybe we won't maybe it's goodbye. Komo play tomorrow you know that. Okay I'm I'm all for now we can react to it or no. We put it on there right now in the I put it in the threat for people to watch good. Good good for the fucking one hundred thousand people will say case episode thread running it on Instagram. Dave put it on instagram on on Youtube. Right now you want me to share to twitter immediately just drives me crazy if you want if you want is now still where they just text it to a random number goodbye goodbye. Yes maybe clarify everything now. What's going on in the colony right? I don't think it's the worst idea because it's bad it's bad it's good so I like what the minivan show became with D.. CNN HP. Obviously they do a good job my when I always thought Fangio WHOA. WHOA WHOA WHOA? WHOA facial originally was that it was going to be that that didn't work in like a longer? Ten minutes is the right call and sort of had these guys be idiots and true. Let's face it. This is the wack pack. That's what we're we're not. Yeah pretending it's not what it is right it actually. It actually looks pretty good. You know they just got the four people frame they get their names up there and it's a great thinkers that's what it's called. Yes why's it. What's the plan that from what I think? It's probably because they're not great thinkers inside show reference to weird. Move interesting out here it's probably success with colony hosting it. That's all I care about some great color. The the best thinkers they have not authorized us to say it's part of the show. So we're kind of doing this on her own going rogue but this show is meant to be basically a show for the fans so you guys are here today but streaming hold on hold on. What show isn't the fans in the culinary and has to be in some house was he staged I do things that are for Erica? There's no way he's got Interior decorating great. Oh No God no. He's so he's is like a fake background. It looks like it. Looks like Steve from Providence's in his Kitchen Davison Richard starring Minihan appears to be in his truck. Okay and who else is on there TJ TJ okay guys TJ Hubbard. which by the way? You're all three of those guys. Yes but what I really like. Is Dave same. Yeah we've got TJ Hubbard and Steve Kroft the difference. I know maybe I'm wrong. I love that bill days. We got we've got like he's hosting taste. We've got these guys. I'm here though the engines meet. Join US right. Nearly a minute hand is with us. She she has the best connection. It looks like so. Thank you four G.. From my car and abandoned parking lot I love. It was over with Steve. You're on break. You're here with us. Are you not good morning. Good Morning. Good morning so what do you guys think of the name. By the way when I put that out there on twitter great thinkers in. What are you doing stood out but Kevin from Bris? I think Robin Williams twenty names on us last is calling circle Kirk cars out so circle Kirk kicking. What is is it Kurkin off Kirk? Shame US Minna. Fan Duel Boy. Oh Boy Oh boy if great thinkers was making the most. It's gotTa missing something all right topic number one. I know a Saturday has proposed that they have a discussion Russian with Bob President Shirley hopefully president to benefit the Trans Community. We're talking raising money. I grant partial ten grand. We're talking upwards of fifty grand. Does this happen. Does Bob get involved. What do you guys think? TJ started off. I think you Steve The charity. Not fucking small peanuts if you watch around two point. You're not just just ripping off from what I mean. Bob's not gonNA show up good so go go the instagram. Graham Accounting Finance Kirkman show the content runneth over create. It's a rip off but it's a creative idea. Creative parody songs were scrapped. Well I mean that's that's not the worst idea I've ever heard no. It's good no I like it. That's what I was saying is like the show of Alton something else but I do like the idea of having that we're just fans given their days are really creative. This guy that is the idea from all those pardon my take fans who do their show. That's probably that's probably is going on. Steve just for ripping only friends ends in the place by the way so I got a text message from KFC yesterday. Because I said I texted just endorsed you for Francesa's spot is I call. Oh thanks. He texted me leaders. Like she's I didn't realize there was genuine. Thanks a lot actually means a lot coming from you then he does the KFC radio this morning with Berg they talk about the Francesa thing. They never mentioned me. When did they record the big lead story? It was after my thing. Oh yeah they they. I mean literally I make a case on the show I get the whole thing started started and they talk about fucking some big lead story fake friend. I'm starting to wonder. Call Them Up. Would you real quick errant. He's around right. It's probably not gonNA pick up the phone links so that's interesting. Do you think that big lead story from us. Probably we put it out I. Maybe they're mad about the TURTABOI file story. Well they had a couple well. We didn't have anything to do with that. Hello Yes yes Kevin Kirkman the hand how are you. You're on the yeah. Good I have a minute or two or no I I get Osama happy with you right now. Why that because I listened to your show this one I always did you did the Francesa Ansa segment and you gave me no credit? Because when I recorded that I hadn't listened to you actually fate speculated you could have gone on a AH honestly that kind of can do you. Can you give me some credit. Is You sent me a very nice. We're actually very genuine nicer each other human Dan. Dan Gesture that way because I was like. Oh Shit I didn't realize how real endorsement I thought you were just fucking around and then when I heard it I was like Oh that was actually pretty pretty nice right so let me tell. Let me give them a real. Thanks so yeah. That's fine. Fine just we jump the gun. Have you heard anything from. WFAN twenty four hours. No nothing I supported by heard. You say you wouldn't do it I mean the number would have to be pretty pretty large can do both you can do both I. I wish that would be the ideal situation so you think that can happen around these parts you are. You've got rock but that's my thinking I I know Oakar who is only Dave like who I think Eric is pretty open minded this stuff like that. Honestly no I really don't know I mean. In in my my mind it would be like basically one gigantic advertisement every single day right every single topic. I'd be like well. I read this on Barfoot. Sports and I heard this sports but I I think that they are. They want people to be exclusively. One hundred percent focused on Barstool. I couldn't believe I didn't realize this. I didn't realized we fucked up so much over that SORTA got it didn't realize he's in a panic. Yeah I get. It wasn't even that big of a deal. What what what what filed title Burg? It said on your show the other day his whole weekend it wasn't that big of the. NFL He yeah He. He's he's got mental issues so when I heard that he was like freaking out that you were gonna like try to ruin his career. If I had known that I would have been like. I don't think he's GonNa do that. You relax working. It makes it makes you wonder what skeletons. AWW that closet though if you're that nervous well that's the thing he doesn't like he has always been like. I can't be canceled. I don't have anything there any skeletons by posits and and don't know why he was freaking out over all right. Well I WANNA clarify. Okay thank you but I do genuinely appreciate the endorsement and I will make note of it on many of my recordings. Yeah well. Here's the thing I don't I don't like I'm pretty much eagles. So it's a big deal like I just wanted I just I feel I. What if they would have to you? I think intercom. We'll probably offer that to me Kevin. Yeah I could see. Our relationship is so good I would say I would say go pound sand you. You WanNa talk about that stuff. I couldn't I couldn't put it this way. How about this? If they said Clem in the hand I'd have that conversation. Oh ooh I mean Kirk that would be In the radio world the clancy roles but either way I mean we would fucking that drip Michael K that bore would fucking rupel them yeah now would absolutely dominate. That's why there hasn't even been a phone call. I I know I know I know. But it's crazy they would know most boring. I know I'm embarked. I know I know these people I've dealt with these people the creative idea. They're not going to do by the way you correctly. Call though FRANCESA's producer. That guy is a fucking bigger fan than you are. I mean that guy was ready to drop the fucking a show and everything could. You couldn't do it but he did you graduate did you. I saw you Saturday. You had to make up on the vigil. Did you enjoy that. You had a good time. I was watching from a distance. You guys didn't know I was the one following you. How would you just? How would you describe that event Surreal fogler full blown. Call now. That's not true that's not. I don't know why you why you think that's the negative you. Have you ever call good thing. We're a peaceful bunch. We'll talk we'll so so you're right you've not heard from fan but no no no no contacted off anybody all right. I'll talk you later but I will make sure you get all your credit I I just I thought I made it very nice. Very sweet thing. I said I could buy goodbye. Goodbye sweet that's all you know zito getting credit. It was was nice. It was a genuine time. I think that story is actually I think he did it in realize he fucked up. Maybe that's what I think. Because he text me right away and this was not characteristic actress of our texts. Like hey did you say you know they're really meant a lot to me Michael Wait Times that text APP. You can tell you I I know about what time they probably record them. Every quarter with them right. I do a late morning. That's suspicious. I don't know we don't know when we know we listened to every day. We don't know how it fits into his. He listened pattern. He's soon comes up. Here's a thing with Fowler. He was live. Yeah you send me the file. He doesn't miss a he he's he's a actions ahead of time he knows what's coming up. Next let me see this. I didn't realize a real Two fifty two PM. I've been realized there's real endorsement. I thought you were joking. Appreciate that very much means a lot from you. Yeah it was nice. The the obvious choice would be you and you kind of stepped aside yesterday and said why don't you guys on the Clinton I mean again. We'll make all the sense in the world but not in New York I wouldn't I wouldn't WanNa do fuck in New York. You could do it from here now I just don't I don't did you did you in. Fam Show Yeah you do have to be somewhat you have to care. I guess I just don't care about the jets or the Yankee Pro Francis Ratings would probably tank here if you sport show all two zero. Ah but I don't know they better ratings than Dale. Probably sure at them figuring out what they're doing is not working and they have to change the model and they're not doing doing that because the people who make aren't capable of realizing stern said this in the nineties recreation there's no a lot of talented people have just left radio as an industry. Yeah I mean there's no better bigger I'm not saying there's no bigger radio talent America the me a year or two ago there wasn't in radio. Nobody I'm trying to think of WHO LIKE A. I have no idea I people don't I who's the biggest radio personality America now Rush Alfred says is not. It's fucking losing the Michael. Kay in New York has true rush. Hannity moving I guess but they're on. AM five hundred stations. Plus plus he he has the TV show put this way. Does Anybody Talk Leshan. God turn would start. Have you know. We'll hope we'll get a chance to talk to already bud next week. I mean you Kipa lead the size and scope of what he was. He was number one and number two in every market when all there was was radio this didn't exist so it was that was there was no youtube. There's nothing the thing you had to listen to him or fucking music so I don't I don't know I feel great. I don't I might talk about this. Lacson does interest me. Well even the other options on that list the big lead story it was Kevin Clancy and then it was like Ryan Rococo Ryan Ruko and one of the podcast hostas. I did see that. Well come come on now. That is a good solid fan too will show a moving over friend of the show. I know him on. I would have him on. I wouldn't want to do. WFAN's points points. I'm Mike Allowed to talk to him. I wouldn't want to be part of the interview. We have mom because he does one of the radio DOT COM podcasts. Come on yeah no he would come. I don't I think he may listen to fucking trophy promoted or not one episode. I mean we gave big time baseball. I mean there's only so much we can if you work at entercom and you publicly support our show. So we're GONNA we'll give you a little rock. You know that that that takes that takes some guts. Yeah no no. He reached out yesterday and said. Hey I'm a fan of the show I love it. It's funny. It's glorious great. Yes it's rare that there's somebody that you make fun of whose like it's funny. I just said I agree with you. DOC forces horses. I like that so he was on the list against Ruko and CICI's I see Sebastian podcast though honestly that's probably who the hire they won't. He's he's got the work four hours a day. York part Scott Yeah but to part CC. Matthew made like two hundred and fifty million dollars. I mean it's Bart Scott. I'm guessing did not but he's doing a podcast a week that I think is forty minutes twice a week. Yeah K.. Forty weeks a year. forty-seven whatever it is four hours a day talking with the jets and the giants first of all be fucking awful. Yeah but you're right you're right I mean that's what's her dream scenarios the wind up with you know whoever fucking I dunno Tim. Hardaway did not know really Kevin was on there. There's somebody else. I think there was a couple of women that I wasn't sure that I didn't familiar. That's the other move. They may they may just go for the twitter. Plus it done that before it's failed. Yes but you know Maggie Barton because I think better than radio gossip though Always enjoy the good life. Go take that SPA industry. It's unbelievable unbelievable. It's worse than his uncle. Junior worse than twelve barbers fucking never ends. That was my whole the pitch for my podcast. The was like I want to do a radio radio and media gossip and they're okay and then I had some of the biggest stories the biggest story in front of me. And they're like just don't talk about that. Rob Bradford I said I don't talk about Kirkman. Yes good friend. Good loyal good at that time. It was Ken Laird telling me. Don't talk even better. Be bossed around around me loser. You fucking SCUMBAG But yeah but anytime that happens like when they get rid of Dale at the end of the year. What you'll hear all the fucking candidates or Glenn and these guys when they get canned and it'll be the same shitty people of different spots? Change The fucking in a higher at this point. WHO's out there? Oh Brandon Tierney was the other one yeah music tiki barber. Yeah Oh Jesus Tiki into them. That's another one that's a CBS. Show have had I think have shitty. PODCAST doesn't exist exist anymore anyways right. CBS Radio as entercom means. I think it's within that but but yes in some ways but I keep saying this they should look at people who are gonNA podcast. uh-huh right like I don't know why honestly I don't know why some radio station doesn't say You know I know you make a lot of money off this Joe Rogan We'll pay you X.. Amount a year. You're just a rebroadcast. At night for now he said He. Oh to rebroadcast Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah you could easily cut that up make it automatic. I can't believe that serious hasn't done that with our show. Yes do Raucously Rogan at night. Yeah if people are serious if they had this on from ten to one every night yeah the great it is odd Baloyi been saying that from the beginning. Yeah you're right and I know Erica's thinks that as well to some extent but I don't know why Especially on Barstool radio after seven PM Thursday. They they could just download this file and building. You can build his a small small but you build you know if you get fucking two thousand. People are liking it. It's a win ahead. It doesn't make for free. It's better than replay content. Yeah but for but like Rogan. Like it's massive. It's massive you know that and people like to you know one. Another two days are of competent. The jobs armadas on us is incredible doing on weekends he said. Do you mind if we broadcast some of your podcasts. Will edit the swears out sort of a conversation right. I remember that people liked it. That's a good idea. Yeah Post the usual bullshits sports talker. But that's no one thinks like that. Joe Zarbano as fucking more vision than most of the program directors in America. Very surprising. You you know. That's all you need to know. I mean it's fucking unbelievable. I I don't know so but so. KFC is not. You'll never hear from them now happen. No they think barstools tools evil and they'll think he'll fuck sack you know fucking strippers are so stupid. Yeah I'm trying to think of WHO Kevin Light would be. That would still be a good option. They're not as dangerous injuries for them to go after dangerous now they think because he curses entire boobs. This I'm telling you Casey NBA hit. Yeah be number one but even I said Because that might be a little more expensive pain those three it could just be Kevin and his his version of this is cast Brennan clancy producing and whoever the fuck she doesn't exist exist on radio now anymore. Open after you're gone Yep Howard's gone I'm gone You know picker whatever. They're all gone. Now you have. We've put playing for the last three months. She she chose I mean it's like you know their names are. I've heard that one show. I called Chad Dukes. I've always heard Chandu guy just straight and I'm greg killed right now fucking believe off with his Greg. Here's another one that I thought that's what I was listening. AFC was under the impression that slightly slightly dangerous. Yeah I don't know why I guess. I just got fifties rock station. He's BEEN ON FOR THIRTY S. Good Morning Zoo. Diana Watch skeletons. Do the commercial for the online feed. No good I I don't I don't know who knows but yeah we'll see all big stars on it. I call named clancy see Marshall Trump Junior. Yeah Oh remem similar creates tweet out at all that we were having junior in your honor right now. They want to get fired. Why haven't I realize you I saw you didn't as well so I felt feller said it would shock? Drop what we should do not at least yeah. People are gonNA show every day. Don't care we have on though. No but he. Yeah I guess all of a sudden you know big guest okay. I'm sure he's that's not that's not panicking thing looking at getting listeners. Another visionary he followed a following he was at least he was excited about and he wanted to. He was GONNA promote it. He went right to awesome gives. Great we know we know the lines have been drawn this side. That's the came Marco's the clones the chaps the pussy side Then the people like the gases the followers the Erica's The big cats haven't cabins bins file. I put final. Bergen that side. Yes yeah absolutely. You know. He went on. He likes US I like turtle but that wasn't we got a term. I wrote that story. Is she kind of that Steve. I sort of had them right. That's my opinion No No. He didn't tell me that he was writing a story. I was trying to get him to write about the Offer to Bob was about that yet. We Love Turtaboi too. But I think what he didn't understand this The sword yes Philibert was like yeah. I don't you know I ah play the BURBS defense. Was I'm stupid examples all said punting. I'm done you know so I felt it was Komo News on this story. I didn't think no no. I agree with protective because like filer burke and that's fine him loyal guy but I like Turtaboi twosome the they wouldn't give a shit about that story. It was like no. I don't think I don't know but but boys right. He's like Donald trump gets angry about turtle. Turtaboi was angry because here he. He is a victim of cancel culture. Now that's right. Get on the perfect example kicked off everything and he's just a guy trying to be an entrepreneur granted you can criticize him because he brings some it on himself with the the salacious titles that he puts on stories. I told him I had him on. My podcast I told them I might like I think turtle we've blown him enough. He's the best journalists in America. I'm serious about that. I love the guy and where am I agreed to. They for him but You know when he does. He's sort of. This girl has an whatever like talking about like Eh I can do whatever he wants. He's really good at it but I like what he does the bigger stuff for us. It means working more stories in this state in the two news put together fifty in the last year. Honestly you're saying focus more on stuff panel worked for him. I don't know what gets read and what doesn't get read. Some say you should write about right. I think I am. I read Greenhealth until I read. Oh I wanNA thank and did you still want to listen to the radio brushing something actually. Still Commercials Kennedy's commercial. I'm surprised that. KFC would want to go from the kind of free wheeling lifestyle of just record the podcast wherever you want to be rocked radius. And that's the one the thing I want to ask him about. Because that's tough like we've both we both lived at when you're when you've gotta be like anchored into that broadcast for four hours a day your entire life revolves around that. Yeah that'd be a huge change for their stuff that I don't think I I think Kevin Sentences I cannot swear for four hours but there's stories you would WanNa talk about that they were doing. This is sports station. Let's not get but I would say that. He's not is Dana. I you wouldn't mind talking about the jets four hours. He doesn't doesn't mets pike. He wants to do that stuff. Donovan saying their stuff. He'll bring up just random. Whatever news stories or even sports related stories that they don't want to talk about and it's just like well I don't have to get and I think you're gonNA run into people who have no a would talk about these things and say? Why are you doing this because interesting? Hello we talk about this stuff. If you're good at it you get a loyal audience. What she would get? There's no no doubt now at first at first it wouldn't go well because he corps F an listens. It'd be like what the fuck is this. I think this is the best time to replace Francesa because people are kind of silly goodbye and now people are kind of sick of but I mean the core fan listening listens every day. We'll be like what the but guess. What they'll do is weird? They'll flip the audience be a younger audience than we'll grow you know and your First Arabia's may not be as good as they were a year ago but a yearly probably will be entirely different base to to advertise to which is all fucking matters. They're so dumb. But I mean they're so it is the least forward-thinking industry in America is not changed at all. I've been listening to this podcast. It just I finished it about. I was talking about freedom. Paola in the in the fifties and Alfred's is famous. Dj Right so he took it. It's it's I guess. The American scandal season six worthless. Thank you and they play. Sound here from fifties in if I told you it was bad radio from two thousand nineteen. I believe he's like hey it's a new we've got some. It sounds exactly the same. It's sixty years ago. It sounds exactly the same. There's also the world's changed everything this is must be. I thought this she was only. Fam like they kind of kept a nostalgic thing but you know the jingles. Yeah F W that's around the country. That's in Georgia. North North Carolina in stations are then. I called all month right. We're doing that type of shit. Yeah look up on Youtube. Let me see if I can if you hear if you see any of him. Yeah he's the Moondog. Alan freed moondog. This is from one thousand nine hundred eighty five those amazing when you look older guys got fired for like the grease man like that different world. Yeah I mean tell me something. Different battery my favorite. This jockey I this guy was narrating it now. Radio Joe where. He played primarily jazz and pop music and now he's just he started doing started doing right the pretty interesting stories. This is album the king of the moondog hardy welcome to all thousands of friends. Normal high wants aerial catalog to New York with some different. I mean team minutes from rejoining adjoining moondog networks. The Cleveland area here will be thousands of listeners. Over in New York City and New Jersey fucking same as most Shit iranian-americans Simon temperature fucking crazy. I mean here. Let me hear some good radio though it. He can't be in commercial they don't make that much now. Sorry I close out the talented bucks. A spot I'm you know. Still not our money unbelie. No Twenty WanNa charted nothing. The pre pre roll video is going to play again. Jesus Christ what is it. I think good advertisements Chris Curtis Oh so stop pretending is on drinking. nope this shouldn't be a thing. Chris Evans tweeted. This is awful. Maybe we can get a computer to paint us a new Picasso or write us a couple new John McCain listen that boy stop Jimmy Dean James. Dean's they put him in. That movie just had story. Yeah stop can you believe it but he was only in three moving not right. Oh Okay wow you love that calling now panicking on social media about this guy he totally pockets you still. It's not good. He's fucking freaking out about the other thing I don't know I love it but if this occurs Davies like you want it up right now. It might might take him. It's like yeah the podcast one bit for another hour also like in that time in this world amount not to be Dick Bellingham his bailing on the podcast. Later you worry that it's going to affect your downloads. If we I dropped something too because we have an issue a pause I mean it's it's fine if it does Bring in Ra Minahan. This guy is a electric. This guy's insane wasn't gonNA say something but can't damage. I'm losing my mind. You know that. Forget guys are the discord or write the very word. It should be worried. I try to communicate here. I hear I hear nothing back from them. Nothing never do. What was I thinking of guys? We're talking about You're good to go Mike I think so okay. Yes sure we'll have some song parodies for tomorrow and some other stuff to admit that the rate rated the song parodies are coming in has exceeded. My expectations told me the number of the creativity comes easier to the fans stamina though. I don't know how long this this will last fast. Well I would say we've got at least ten real good. Musical talents turned out pretty quickly so I was kind of believable. I I expected one or two overall that we didn't start the fire is credited Good I expected a lot but I expected the quality to be very poor. Yes I thought maybe like the recording might not sound good or whatever but these were all at least decent and they're fucking believable stuck in fans or install insane and totally unbelievable. They never stopped ever. You know they get their own stuff they do their our own stuff. Some go too far. But that's okay you know we love we. We accept them all but one. That's how I say I want to get to the to the bottom of this this this the story right here. Yes maybe it's good. Maybe he's doing some who knows. I don't know I think Steve Uncomfortable. I think I mean it's like I think may be hit the nail on the head and everything thing is busy always yes yes really. Does everything is about him. So I'm suspicious that he would ever try to do anything for the good of this show right here for the good of the other person in the suspect. It's him trying to get back. Even when I say this I get some message where he's like me totally wrong. You're misquoting today today about this. I probably will harassing interns on. He is the what that you know this like you know. He's he's publicly tweeting at them and he's direct messaging them. It's just it's just a lot. I don't know what he said but my Guy Justin goes text me the other day. I don't have anything to do with whatever Kelleher talking about with the U.. Two I don't even know what he means. But what did you talking to the Youtube. He's threatening people like if you subscribe. I'll do this shit like that. I'm not really. I'm exaggerating. Yeah what's on the Youtube today today. We're going today. I think we've got some so we didn't want to post videos yesterday. Dow We did Eric in our Dini's Steve. My goodness all that I'm ONS versus ants. So then I think going later today it depends the Internet becoming with me so it depends on how much. Oh Yeah but I think I want the the voice mail to go up there morose. Oh yes the Maroshek voicemail here that I haven't heard that in the rich man I don't know if I have it a really off to go back. Interns from early draw from the culinaire wasn't must have been the Monday after the fourth of July has been. Yeah the Tuesday after the fourth of July. Actually because you interviewed Tummy. Oh that's right. Tommy Dreamers yet the my man Martinez put together for me. That's right yes rich Mandarin. I think go today day some others and I. I got a checklist she says. Yeah so you good feedback though. People seem to like the Youtube experience. Yeah people enjoying it. And I think it'll it'll it'll do more or for new people when they're like what the fuck they talking about with onto presents. Oh that's true any of that Shit. Yeah that's what I think it's more important than I do. Worry about people diving in for the first time. Because I know it's happening well we're also putting Kind of newsworthy clips. So we put up the ABC News thing. That's just done for what reason what's the I guess the way the Algorithm works. It'll get more people like people that are looking for that story. Kirkman show might come an interview. This morning probably helped that. Yes I wouldn't want to put the whole interview you up. Maybe some clips from I'm talking about 'cause interview of course of course Algorithm one second. What's that gets? People are searching. Dave Cohen already coleens lanes got a fake background. And I think Steve No no I think he's I think he's in stage. If it is his house say very tastefully decorated. I thank the wife probably has more to do that. But it looks like it looks like home. That's been staged for sale. Maybe he's in the Mandarin studios could be. Don't worry about if you can't I don't have we'll find we'll do it later. All right so yeah we the Donald Trump junior thanks to him thanks to Conan thanks a KFC with a lot of guest today. Just go song parodies. Our friends at simplisafe is free. Sports Book Look Pick Dot Com. What was your level of confidence between the woman here? Twenty two hours. We're GONNA be praising Mike now how does zero chance that that's true but what you're not going to praise him when I mean if he if he went up there and took a shit. We're not saying we're working. We're doing what he's doing. He's not a Russian up. Maybe does that. So people don't think Russia that's the thing it never ends. It never ends with much where to go with him on that. I think he's I think he's I think we're in a slew him job. That's the era. Now you're making a bright one hundred percent successful operation yeah Total values are charging for them and put them in charge. I mean name a blind Mike Operation that has failed Nima Blind Mike operation. What's he ever done? I don't think I kept saying everybody. Mike's Stepdad his mom into album. McCall this guy. He's done this unbelievable at sites. It's so good I'm thinking what the fuck is done. I think he adds a good joke to every interview. We do that especially if there's a funny dynamic to every interview which is he going to be able to get got a question in or not. But if Mike's mom might could see in his mom was not attractive. Yeah what would be his purpose on earth Zim saying to quash rush. Fuck my mother is if it'd be doing some good in this world could be. I mean we're all trying to use some good news for all the roadblocks to get their best we can but we're getting ignored. We're we're getting ignored with our clear. Unbelievable like you say the media nothing still you. You save that guy who's dog died who they've porn guy the guy tweet tweet it out. that his dog died and he said you help them get through it. Oh yes I did last night I could tell his. 'cause I'm like I said Adam said this is issue with came Marco and I said Steve explained to me so maybe some stuffing crossed here. And there's a pause is like I don't know what the fuck he's talking about Steve. The manager it's always every time to call me a deuce bag else. We talked for like a minute happens purpose. I can show you the text. Maybe you might Portland next week to talk about Curto and you said no no. Oh no I said we gotta get Kurt. Atone get Mike on Curtain. Oh occurred out ambush. What am I going to hear about this? What was that two weeks ago? Yeah it is justice I understand but fucking here about. It's so funny how this Curto thing like I'm one of the biggest cities is suing you. The media's care and we're just completely forget about it when you hear the judge that great great judge awesome judges when you hate me. said she was mean mugging you. I thought but she turns out. She's a Romney. So hip American freeze. They all she was giving you that hairy eyeball you think she was. I S. I think it was more like why the fuck is this in my courtroom kind of thing I am. I mean. Shouldn't that be shouldn't be toward a destroyed. Yes or what's his face Mr Kenniston I'm going to give. AJ OF G X A shot here. I'm going to actually re tweet this right now. One of them. That's the name of the transgender engender. Okay I don't know I mean this is GonNa join me this the the we're going nuclear war if this is a prop I will say that I have not seen the video. I don't know play play video. All right curious. I don't typically follow killer on just got tweet I don't either. I just got tweet from people on a platform I I think that it is crucial. That representation is there to be part of that conversation as an advocate for the Trans community myself. And my own story I would absolutely love to go on your show and moderate between you and Bob to have that conversation especially if Kirk you're an ally and you want to use your platform for good for the community in terms of education and fundraising. I think that this is a very valuable opportunity. You to bring transpeople into this conversation. I'm willing to step up into Please D- I'm me. I'm reach out to me if you're interested and I look for in targets coversation on a platform killers flippin cue cards behind the camera. Tag Minute Trans. I'm wondering for tweets which makes me nervous as well Interesting yes it seems like. It's funny if he's on board but teams also Kelleher. Yeah that's also not the tone of the video. Yeah Yeah I don't know she seems she seems nice insincere but does seem and that's where her personal. Yeah yes this is a born I am I am I using AM I. Using her pronoun correctly she was born a man now and now is a woman. Oh always always a woman ornament identifies identifies in lives as a female hobby deuce okay. What are you shaking correctly? Somehow we've gotten ourselves into trouble and what we're trying to have a I know you she can correctness of with that. We get in trouble. I'm just saying at some at some point along the lines. That's the problem uh-huh we'll be talking about. You don't always know where you're going to get in trouble. You just seems pretty cool. You just don't don't talk about the mechanics of it all in a respectful way. She's a woman uses female pronouns. Okay but that's how she identifies the whole battle. She calls herself a miniature. You don't need to know her origin story. She stole him. I think it's part of her story three or something like that and I'm just saying that's that's what do you beat a fucking defensive about still get in trouble man. WHO's trying to learn? So have we love to have run in here story. She's offered some proof that suggests she's been the fan for a while. We'll see this. If you have a young articulate smart remember the transgender community. A fan of our show wants to talk to us. We're not saying no to that. Yes yes that's not going to happen to you. Only real questions asking would a person like that associated with which Keller the only real. It's that's a fair question yet is a fair question. We also have to figure out I was thinking about this. We know the president is DC. I think he's a good solid job because he's a steady hand opposite of president trump. I would say he's he's reaganesque that funny. Yeah well I mean his leadership funny trying times he is He's been a steady hand on are. You can ask him about Reagan at all his comedy or I'm GonNa have to the almost asked. Don Jr. D. Do you think your dad's funnier than Reagan was. Republican will ever criticize Reagan. He'll say no that's that is the one guy he can't you do wrong. How would you criticize Ronald Reagan Pants in the last year presidency because he had Alzheimer's handle the Iran Contra thing swimming? I didn't know what was going on. Well he's the president. It's not a great defense. Seemed like it took them a long time to catch up the social issues around the country as well as a leader on. Yes yes yes and you know. Just say no doesn't seem like a great way to get people doing drugs. There's lots of different strokes. I go back to different strokes again. I mentioned a few weeks ago. This episode dishes different strokes for this guy wants a molest arnold into the paint spilled it was on the other day it is fucking uncrowded. Watch the whole thing. It's incredible Channel One of these cable like random. You and I couldn't believe you flip through is said you know Gordon jump guest stars in the description of basically Gordon jump guest stars as a Is A bike bicycle store. And what's the molest Arnold. That was like the description of it and I was like fucking can click record here. We go the amazing thing. Though is I pointed this out. We talked like there's the laugh laugh. Tracker students getting laugh laugh big aftermath in anyway there was an episode different strokes during the just say no Arrow were Nancy. Reagan was sitting on Mr t's lap so I mean this is I remember those pictures you were a whole lot that led to that. That's a good question. Then Stephen Trumpeting I dunno you can't criticize insight Republicans. Say No am I going to. Am I gonNA Reagan with Artie. Oh no no the the current I. I think we need the full cabinet. Oh Oh right. We need a full cabinet. I think there should be voting. I am open. I'm not saying I'm allowed to vote. You know I'm open. I'm GonNa let the people vote. I'm not saying I'm not saying that. Their vote is going to be the one so you might. You might ignore it how it works. Do you want like a full cabinet or do you want to say which positions there are veterans affairs shot shot chops to say yes to that. We need a president. We have a president vice president. Got Patrick we do need given the wars wherein we do you need a secretary of state we bring back secretary of war we us. We made best better. We had the secretary of war. Because it's always worn. It'd be beaten out well. I don't don't know whether it be. It seems like that's the role fits. I guess my point is I'm I'm GonNa say this. I think we have open elections. Okay I think something if somebody wants to challenge the for the spot they can do it. It should be a vote for that same thing with Patrick same thing. We should have a newly appointed secretary of war. Well does the president vice president run on a ticket together separate separate us at every position advocates. Together that's fine okay but each vote is different. If somebody from the mid cells feels like it's is there time we have to consider those votes. You know this is a great topic for what's that great thinkers true. Dave colonnade colonnade hosts we need the treasury secretary. Probably not maybe secretary of Education will be Treasury Secretary Sir Take Fans and Min sales. I'm saying I think that's an important position that'd be better min sell position. Yeah now we're GONNA have elections. That's generally a presidential appointee. I'm willing like I am so open. Mind I'm willing to have elections for these positions. That people won't give people a candidacy. I mean who would run against DC. That's a tough guy. That beat eat endorsement. I know who try to run against him. But I mean some of these actually within the world okay Some saying it's open anyways. Anybody who wants to try it try you might run unopposed. Oh it step to the always intrigued. Discord darkhorse trying to SASS. Date him right. I certainly hope for a previously potential people. Or maybe that's true. I think we should consider that as well. I think it's time to have. That's that's important and serious and we need to do it cannot occult. This is a bunch of open minded. Free thinkers welcome freethinking here. I think so heavy hitter. It's a democracy that podcast. Jesus manufacturer. Yeah they put out an episode Did they listen to it. We was claimed they. They played parts of the Young Turks. Oh that's right. You responded to. They talked about. The party's D. C.. Review of the younger. Which is the guy did a nice job? He doesn't really a fucking. Hey I have to admit. I'm glad he's changed his mind merchant but I still think he's a fucking asshole right right. I mean like great like he doesn't act like he likes like maniac. Take that's I'm GonNa give you credit for graduation. Do you have an accurate opinion of Allah. And you still hate us. You'll only thing about us like I'm glad I'm glad that the worm is turning the little bit. Yeah that that was the thing. He's been a lot of. It has been a lot of silence overall from that camp last couple of weeks. I've been told only yeah. Yeah hopefully. There's been silence we don't know about. Hopefully there's been silence. We we don't know about Mike Cola. Hold on hopefully. There's been silence we don't know about what do you mean. Meaning what. Meaning he's been silent with regard to our advertisers. That's I mean my understanding. There's been silence. That'd be silence we do know about yes I think so because they tend to get back to people get back to to me. Okay that makes sense yeah. Hopefully there's been silence. We don't know it's almost an oddly. That's almost beautiful. You know what. It's a dare. I say poetic Chris. It was a reaction to your poetry muted really. Yeah got to the end of the show he's a liar was a takeaway. Yeah that's true but also it was so good you know or just like people are still thinking about ready to come to the one that I noticed is what. US citizen and what born and raised. America would title something tails of an American college student. Why would you say American odd awed? Not these odd. Yeah like if you asked me about Gr. Oh it was just a typical American life so American childhood. MHP another fire back. Jay Devon he said haven't finished your poetry yet but it's a little night before Christmasy for my taste. It's a little bit Dr seuss going on. Tenths this add. But that was the whole idea. Johnny Devon's on a rhymer right now. He's not he's more were rhyme. No He's more of a you know a vodka tive visionary. I thought I was GONNA respond to your poetry. He should respond to my poetry with poetry. That'd be nice. Yeah will be poetry readings at the show as well. There's a little rock elections parodies. MHP's he's been through so much since the beginning of August that he should. I don't know take those feelings and put them in a board that rage frustration or something somewhere and it has to be home for that. I would bank the despondents. That's right I guess I duNno boy Dina go see the Irishman and I actually have a window. But I don't think I'm GonNa go see it and you're not dying by Carr's three hours and twenty minutes. It is a lot. Well what the fuck are you going to do. Hang out with your family about bombing. They are at school right now. I got I got things. I gotTa do later to get a COPA. Copa Brandy loves video business lunches. I Dunno Siesta. I'd like to take awesome. Midday shows you know. Truly your your your debate on whether to go. Take a nap or walked Irishman well today specifically because we have things going on today. Obviously but I'm just saying going forward. Do I wanNA spend five hours. That's five hours door to door. True Eighteen Zero Kirkman the hands their forty five year old Kirkman hands Yang Bathroom. Three and a half Mike. Fuck no issue. I'll sit there. Mike sells impedes yesterday day. That's true today. The P no few three four. I don't count. I'm on how much water I drink you. Oh you do understand that. It's unusual that you've never once had to pee during the show. I don't think it is. That's a little strange during a three hour span which is just randomness of it. Like you would think you mean. Drink water during airing it tunnel. No he wants to light to go. Steve Missing if the radio the bathroom appro. I hold it until I get home. That's true recycle my waist at home not so super healthy prostate reservoir. Gary rules all right so yeah Donald trump junior all that so. We'll come back tomorrow. React to that stuff What are you what are you doing nothing? I was putting something on the board putting on what I'm doing a producer thing. What were you doing what you're doing? I was potting down something on the board. What on the board though the computer line why was making noise? No why are we doing because the producer what was it. What did they accomplish? Nothing just had to be potted. Why did you do it? Because it's a habit of being pretty things something if something doesn't need to be open it on the board like you never know doodle like an ad or something could start playing on the computer and then the sound comes out in the first place then because I I was I was I was playing and who could forget creepy though creepy. There's no doubt that's creeping close enough to react you tomorrow. It just gut feeling so good bad. What did you watch I blog it and say Kay mark? Oh well that yeah. I mean it's up to them to click it right. Publish them to public. I mean I think it's yeah. We talked to a portnoy talks about parcel. There's nothing in there. That has a whiff of controversy to it. Donald trump junior wants to know if deadspin writers Porno Butler. Yeah so. Here's the other thing is i. Think Don Jr. is a little bit more a cautious of controversy than his father. His father were just like bulldoze into stuff like you ask him. Who's the biggest asshole? There's no way his father would have said that three things in that interview. That's a hanging fastball. THAT DONALD TRUMP isn't gonNA walk away from but don trump like yeah housing pass on that. I guess trump will never go and barstool. I guess right. That was another question. I was going to ask you if his DAD Everwood. I think he doesn't recognize that he doesn't listen to you. Becky like he likes the Howley's stands radio and TV but I don't know any understands percents twitter very well but I don't know if he goes to the new emerging older radio people feel safe with right right. Yeah I mean other than like what does he go on. Radio was well well. Rush doesn't really have guests. He can exception. Obviously Yeah Hannity right so Hannity. Highly Hannity's huge. So right. That's I mean but it's also my thing as you go on those shows though there anyway. Maybe they think that's the rumor about Barstool People's they would vote for trump anywhere. It's alright alright but anyway trump should power trump. I'd go on fucking you know I'd go on. MSNBC MOTTO. Yeah I mean he did so we get elected true but now that she would not have him on now probably not. They don't want to give them a fucking unbelievable. The great questions I had lined up for done. That's true. I mean if you got a career career shitting on this guy and then if it's fucking that so excuse me together. Tomorrow of Mike's with the interviews between Art Oh yeah this would be an excellent delving me feel excellent Youtube video. That will make you feel good right. Mike Odd Maybe feel great. Good so if you get a chance today You know the podcast. I guess now but if you want to listen to this podcast fine if you WANNA listen to great thinkers I was called. Yes make sure that I I mean yeah going forward now. Great thinkers I think is now does. Now it's stuck doc and we're going to do is change the name because they make fun of it so I'm GonNa Change and it's going to be something worse I'm over on the circle. Kirk was fun. That's fine. It's a fun ref. Over under episodes it was last six. I was going to say six and a half the over under I'll go I'll go under. I'll go I'll go over because now we did it. Only I'll say eight and then there's GonNa be a guy. Yeah Yeah they'll forget about it. Oh Steve from provinces working today or a Minihan is busy and that'll be the toughest part is getting a crew together but these are people who don't do anything but I mean. How many views does it have to get for culinary to get a woody? WanNa do it again. No we're giving promoting the fuck out of it. Yes you might get a woody. Okay I just I just say in America say normally Iraq and things and and Mike Mike repeats it and you go so wacky woody woody. Woody a bone. I know what it is. I understand you say Boehner. You might get a Rod when you say Boehner over a woody I tolls. I spent two week in country now. I- Indoctrinate U word. Kid Us for erection would be repeat would would be. We would be very good now. We move over to raise snapper hotdog competing competition American boy. I told hold fuck at age of fifteen start fucking tale of American colleges to play American game known as football. There's a lot of this. The audience loved

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The House Impeached Donald Trump

The Point with Chris Cillizza

04:28 min | 10 months ago

The House Impeached Donald Trump

"Go to Omaha steaks DOT COM and type. CNN News in the search bar and welcome to the point for December nineteen eighteen. I'm Lauren Design Ski Co author of the Point. I'm here to cut through the political spin to bring you the news. You need to know president. Donald trump has been impeached impeached. It is a point that we've been marching toward for awhile. Officially kicked off by House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi just eighty five days ago. It may have been anti-climactic since and we have known how the vote will play out for a while now but it is nonetheless historic ultimately. The House passed two articles of impeachment against Donald Donald Trump abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. The first article past two hundred thirty eight votes to one hundred ninety seven votes that second didn't vote on obstruction of Congress. Saw One yes votes which to a no vote bringing the total to two hundred and twenty nine days to one hundred ninety eight nays that vote splitting came from Maine Democrat Jared Golden. He agreed that trump abused his power but that his resistance toward Congress's investigative efforts did did not reach the threshold of high crime or misdemeanor that the constitution demands so he voted. Yes on an article. One and no on article two to Democrats sided with the Republicans and voted against both articles. Collin Peterson of Minnesota and Jeff Van drew of New Jersey. Van Drew is expected to announce that he is switching switching his party registration from Democrat to Republican in the coming days. No Republicans voted in support of any of the articles of impeachment and that is a major her source of pride for President Trump. Have you seen his tweets about them. One former Republican did vote with the Democrats just mash. He's now an independent. After leaving the Republican looking party this summer he voted. Yes on both articles. One minor surprise came from an often controversial figure Tulsi Gabbard the Hawaii Democrat. Who is is running for? President and not seeking reelection was the only member of Congress to vote present on both articles of impeachment rather than voting. Either yes or no. She called impeachment a politically motivated process. Now it is up to house speaker. Nancy Pelosi to release the articles of impeachment to the Senate who will then take over the process. We can expect to learn more about what comes next in the Senate by the end of this week before both chambers recess for the rest of the year that brings us to the point. No matter how you feel about trump his name will go down in history as the third president to be impeached by the House of Representatives. And that is the point for December nineteenth two thousand nineteen thank you for listening for more updates throughout the week including Sunday night campaign edition. Subscribe to the point newsletter at CNN dot com slash point. If you like this audio briefing you can get on Google home or Amazon Echo or subscribe on Stitcher or apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP view. Never miss an episode You can still send an amazing gift. This holiday season with Omaha steaks they'll get delicious tender stakes to share air. Remember and love and you'll get the satisfaction of knowing you sent a special holiday gift if you act right now. podcast listeners can get the favored gift package pitch for. Just sixty nine ninety nine. GO TO OMAHA STEAKS DOT COM and type the point in the search bar. You're happy friends and family will open their door and find a cooler packed with deliciously tender filet mignon stakes plus premium meats sides in desert. They'll be excited when arrives and think of you. Every time they prepare the enjoy their meals Omaha steaks fifth generation American family owned company. That's been handcrafting. Incredible state gifts for one hundred two years and every package pige is unconditionally. Guaranteed so you can send this gift with complete confidence when you order right now with this exclusive offer. You'll get four Omaha steaks burgers added to your gift for free. That's sixteen main courses. Plus sides in desert. Christmas delivery options are still available. But don't delay order your Omaha. Maha stakes favored gift package for just sixty nine ninety nine by typing the point in the search bar at Omaha steaks dot com today.

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eps.057 - The Donald Trump Episode

Bitcoin Radio

26:10 min | 10 months ago

eps.057 - The Donald Trump Episode

"You know it is the Bitcoin coin with your host Joe Blackburn here on WBZ. bitcoin leads that cling radio. Everybody Hope everybody's doing well as we lead up to Christmas Day Christmas season. I watched a bunch of news today for the first time folks and I'm like okay so there's so many people that I know oh that like do like Seo or that they. They've made social media part of their their working habits their job in general or whatever it might be social media is encompassed in our entire existence at this point. You know this is how you connect reach people. Tell you you operate how you advertise how you make friends sometimes how you make you know a girlfriend or boyfriend furner. I mean I know people who got married because on social media used to be a joke back in the day make your relationships on facebook. It's facebook official. I guess it's still kind of a joke. But you know the the the social media world has for the most part volved from those early days and today I was watching the news. Okay and in the span of like fifteen minutes they referenced. I probably forty different twitter accounts as like sources very different day. We live in and something else that I recognize. Nuys is that if your Seo Person If you can somehow incorporate the word Donald trump trump the dawn whatever you wanna say president trump into you title. Someone's going to click on your article. So maybe I should do that. That's what we're going to from now on. If you ever see a poster see a title of a show called Donald Trump. You know what I'm doing doing. I bet you're going to listen to it. You'll at least click on it. We need to try that experiment out. Maybe that's what it's going to happen here. We'll call this episode. The Donald Trump episode the power social media The power of of controversy. The power of trolling is at an all time high. It still matters people still take it very seriously but element oftentimes people saying it are literally making fun of you right and I'm guilty as every single person listening to this as every person who's not listening to this I will absolutely bite on those things and where I think it's relevant to what I wanNA talk about. A little bit. Today is that I have spent a lot of time. In the in the CRYPTO social media world. It's my job. I'd do that that for a living literally. Is I watch what people are doing. And and listen and respond in even engaged I create my own content in the form of posts and thoughts and and now that has transformed into mini doing a podcast show etc.. But I recognize that we have this this just indescribable different perspective and expectations for companies. There is no company that can start up. That has a shot with the crypto public. And if that doesn't change people you are killing this space. You cannot be the Donald Trump knee jerk reaction type of individual in fact. I think that we consider ourselves in the CRYPTO space very enlightened. I think what we find ourselves to be awake. At least from the perspective of what is reasonably the future of transactions and that is the bucks now with that being said. You know you've got to kind of grow up. I mean look. I've been the first to admit I've made you know. Oh stupid. Incredibly stupid decisions at different times with my bitcoin. I have believed in projects I saw was witness to the great run. A two thousand seventeen you know and and it gave me a very high level expectations for what you know. Any any purchase of mine might turn into as far as Bitcoin went And now I can sit here and say I have terrible expectations about any of the purchases. I make towards all coins cryptocurrencies in a long term fashion. And and that doesn't mean that either one of those things actually true. I mean obviously twenty seven. Yes we saw things go down but I left twenty seventeen up right. I still twenty seventeen up. I know that's not everybody but I still did personally Not much I mean I it. It definitely came down to Earth. Twenty eighteen taught me. You know. Maybe it'll go back up right and do not believe in hope and dreams. I do have very bullish expectations. Obviously for the Bitcoin in currency space but twenty nine thousand nine gave us some hope. And that's okay. Hope is good especially if you're We're about to leave this year. You know I imagine that. We're in St hundred percent up from the low but folks your expectations in two thousand twenty. They have to become realistic. Not The pessimistic. Not Optimistic Realistic so very different words. Now you can say oh. It is realistic to expect. ICO's avail What what time period are you talking about today? and Are you the reason why people find it to be really a negative space at this point I I really they want. I really want kind of a reset button. I want to be able to anticipate that some companies will make it and some companies will make it for the record folks. That's not I hope. Some companies will make it just like you know net flicks right. I bet people thought they were crazy when they first came out. You're going to get everybody in the world to actually download an APP and watch a movie off of a what off of this. What are you going to do that? Nobody's ever going to buy into Netflix. I'm going to pay the ten dollars a month man. I'll just go to blockbuster. Why would i? Why would I need an APP man? That's a lot of money. I'm not paying that. Well well guess what show you I mean I remember sending DVD's into net flicks. I don't know about y'all but that transform the way people do business the blockchain is revolutionary. And I sit here on the cusp of like of getting a little bit aggravated with reading in people automatically assuming things are not going to work out. Folks don't be the reason why the space can't work not the companies you and you know. There's no not everybody. Listen to. This is the reason. Most people keep their mouths shut. Honestly right I mean the majority of us are not sitting around trolling. But there's this like this distinct toxic doc sick. You know expectations from the from the community and I was just talking to management and I want to give a big shoutout. Everybody a managed just elevated herself until position an sitting next to myself and been barlow other. Men's A. C. T.. We brought her on. She is now an official administrator for the critically trader. FACEBOOK group Obviously I'm very proud. Ought to consider her friend and as I noted in my introductory post to her on C. Steve for the community to read You know there's a lot of great things that many people will say about about Amanda but the my favorite thing about her is that she makes the space better everyday she's in it and The space is better because she's in it. I am proud to be considered. You know a friend of hers and I expect that to maintain obviously but I can't wait to see what she does next. It's it's an honor. Amanda Minister You'll listen to this point probably next year which next year only a few weeks away so I can tolerate that but getting to the point you know surrounding yourself with good. Traders is great and I have plenty of good trading friends. Get advice for them. I I learned from them. I listen but you know. Trading isn't my like favorite thing to do on earth. You know a lot of people were really money hungry. And that's a that's a significant -nificant beacon of of success to also the measurement of success is. How much money did they make today? That's okay I mean to each their own. I personally believe I believe. The trading environment is causing expectations that we will never acts will never be contain those expectations. Unless you're at the right moment right time and you haven't lost your money at so all these new people coming in. I really really really want them to to to to to see the bitcoin culture as bitcoin culture I not as the crypto currency culture because bitcoin cultures so much more healthier and and so much more realistic Nobody even bitcoin owners you know maximalist. They didn't expect probably we're like this is bad. They probably knew this at the moment that the twenty k.. I'm sure they're excited. But there are probably like this is not going to last. This is impossible and the bitcoin culture is what should drive. Live crypto culture Bitcoin has been the standard. And it's been the king for some time and were subjected to the media's interpretation whether that be in crypto media or outside of Krypton Meteo of what things are and we are taking opinions of people you probably disagree with fundamentally in many many different ways anyways as to be the way that the culture of this space is is playing. That's the way it is and that's not true because I can go have a conversation on a significant topic. With fifteen different people get fifteen different opinions and levels of how severe or significant they think a moment in Crypto Bina Bent. You know take a hack. I remember when Crypto Pia and this is a great one because you know although topiary never had the best reputation they were they were often a too many people i. I've never heard anybody say that I mean not not the not Exonerating them or calling them the innocent in in in the space but I've never really heard crypto p. a. b. accused of like just militias or criminal activity. I'm not saying the habit. Maybe you haven't experience. I'm just saying this never was on my raider at the time. This is before the hack. And you know the crypto Peoria communities. There's a lot of I mean that's an it was a New Zealand Company Aussies and Kiwis were supporting the The exchange specifically and you know I I was I never we're headed against them. I thought that they did relatively job. Why people would list their coins on them? There's everyone sat coin in the world used to be on that on that on exchange and then they got hacked right right and then when they got hacked I talked to bring up the reason. Why like my thoughts? I was pretty much impartial. I had no. I really didn't have an opinion Onkar. Toby it wasn't a AH top tier exchange but it wasn't literally the worst exchange on earth. Either I mean I I used it if if it was a it was convenient when Trivia got hacked people people. Tell me that this is. This is literally the worst thing in that. Could have happened in Crypto at that at that point just because there are so many people in Australia New Zealand and Australians who I mean Australia Australia has been a pretty big proponent. They've allowed cryptocurrency and blockchain to be pretty public and and have a significant part. You know as much as they've been able two and their culture and in the government and you know to give the Australian and the New Zealand Citizens a front row seat. If they weren't encrypt already. There were getting a front row seat to a big scam at that point. Big Hack a reason. Why crypto shouldn't exist and You know it was. It was everything that you know. Some people thought was the worst thing in the world for For for the space at the time just for adoption for people take seriously that made sense. Let's I heard that from somebody. He was an Australian. And I listened to and I was like you know what that makes a lot of sense Then we'll talk somebody else. Dude everybody knew that Tokyo was kind of a Janki exchange. Like it's not are you. Are you really surprised. Joe And I'm like Huh makes sense to right. Obviously I have my own opinions at this point now maybe embellishing a little bit about the the actual conversations. But I think that's it gets the point across right depending on who you are. What's important to you as an individual? Why eight you might have a certain level of respect or have no respect for whether it be a company a person an individual a exchange Whatever whatever you know it's all relative to what's important to you just like politics just like religion just like everything else in this whole world if if you're born into a area and people in that area do something you're more than likely going to least find that thing more relevant than what somebody thirty also across the world who you'd never talked to find relevant to them? There's nothing wrong with that that's called culture. That's called realistic opportunities or relevancy or whatever you want to put into that box folks. It's okay to disagree on things because some things are going to matter more for you than somebody else. That doesn't make them wrong. That doesn't make you right. It doesn't make you wrong and it doesn't make them right. Does this makes sense now. The reason why I'm saying this I was watching the news. Donald Trump immediately. Everybody clicked on the link. That's what we're going to name this this episode Donald Trump and this has nothing to do with Donald trump it just literally is because Donald Trump will one hundred percent give me more clicks just by naming the title of the episode Donald Trump. And it's irrelevant. Donald Trump has this episode so we're going to Donald Trump What are you doing to help this toxic environment though? What are you doing change the culture how are you I mean does it? Does it actually. And I'm asking you this question and please respond maximum. I'd love to hear your perspective doesn't matter to you what people are saying or doing with the space. Do you think it's going to eventually work out or use. Are you feeling this toxic Negative undertone that you know. That's just it's just this current that's pulling the negativity out and I've always found the word. undertow you know especially in this context to be really really interesting in the way that it's used and you have a culture that just just pulling you into it and this isn't only with Crypto for the record folks. I mean this isn't a lot of different environments but because crypto mixes politics mixes mixes a little bit of religion. makes us a little bit of money right lots of money. I mean it becomes like the ultimate firepit right. Don't step in unless you ready. Did you get burnt. And it's a it's a difficult place to make it. It's a very difficult place to come and build a name a respectable name for yourself. Face my own adversities -versities and I'm proud to face them. But I would. I would love to be able to go and fix those things and not have to face those things been perfect. Of course. That's not possible and a human being F s right. I mean we're all humans. We're all going to make mistakes and we all shouldn't be judged or be held accountable forever you know and I'm not talking about me here. I'm talking talking about certain people that are trying to do the right thing. If they've genuinely changed right now. You know. Call spade a spade spayed if there are trash if there are scammer. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to call them out either. This space deserves the freedom of speech and and the Not deserves the freedom of speech freedom of speech each is a especially as an American. I feel this way but it's a right. You're born with that. You can't remove that from somebody if you do. That's a human. It's a human rights violation issue. People should be able to think freely also think people should be accountable for four their free thoughts. If you're GONNA say them. There's a way to do that. Respectfully if you WANNA get up and yell and tell people that you hate them and whatever well I disagree with you and I should be able to. You know to defend myself if I feel an threat I feel threatened. Or if you're slandering my name and if you're going around slandering hiring piss somebody and this has nothing to do with again this is actually something that's relevant. If you're going around slandering accompany that you literally have have very minimal amounts mount to knowledge about if you assume that they're a scam because you remember something similar or that you heard something else from somebody. It's your damn responsibility folks to make sure what you say is true. It's your responsibility. It's not my responsibility to make sure what you said is true. The burden burden of proof is on the accuser. Right and I mean. I'm not trying to get legal there that I know that can also be relevant at times but you need to prove your appoint you can't just sit up there and yell scam or best project ever and not have a reason and honest you know back story. Sorry for this like did you do. Did you actually do any due diligence. Did you actually go in research. What's going on here and over the last two and a half years? I have found like the formula that I've been using the most is is credibility. Are these projects credible. That doesn't make them for sure. That doesn't mean I mean that's going to happen or that you're gonNA make any money but people with credit pill. Credibility have typically worked hard for that credibility to lose credibility ability. Now if you have no credibility credibility is doesn't matter it's not a it's not a it's not a valued item and if you have it it is the most most incredible value. It's the most incredible value can have an there are companies that have credibility folks that have earned credibility before before crypto that have earned credibility while in crypto and we'll continue to earn and Respect that their own credibility along with many others others in the space there are credible factors making this space better but can you for one second the sit back and say I've given that company a chance. Why because you've been burned okay? That's great that doesn't mean there. Are Scam Bro. Come on just because you won't buy them does not make them an ethics scam. It does not mean that they're bad and it doesn't mean that so you need to dissuade somebody from buying or four buying like. It's our responsibility to have honest genuine and accountable double conversations with one another when you're not accountable for your actions or what you say you can say whatever the hell you want. It doesn't matter but guess what this space base is still very small and what you say does matter because there's a lot of people paying attention more than you will ever know and they're using every stupid thing you say against against Crypto so whether you're calling something a scam to protect people which might be the case that honestly might be your intent and that doesn't mean that you're wrong I I just WanNa make sure that whether you're trying to get somebody to buy something or whether you're trying to get somebody to understand that this is a scam. You have an opinion for reason you either trying you're either narcissist and they're trying to make sure everybody knows that you're the smartest person ever on planet earth or you're just a troll having fun on the Internet or three you might just get. We'll trigger because someone said something. Now you're in a conversation. Now you made it your vendetta to let this person know oh I'm going to destroy your conversation. I'm going to destroy this argument. I'm I'M GONNA I'm GonNa make sure you realize and everybody else realizes his scam. I've been that person to write. I I've been all three of those people to some extent one way or the next. I'm not perfect. Verdict and something on the Internet has intrigued me. Whether it was in Crypto or outside of the Crypto to have that sort of conversation with somebody okay now is. Is that the right thing. Absolutely after not and we've got to be better at recognizing that we have to be the standard everybody we all. We all all need to be accountable to this conversation that we're having and how we're having it again. I'm not telling you that you don't you shouldn't or that you don't. I'll have a right to or that. This space should never have something like this. No it is absolutely imperative that we self regulate the more we cannot self-regulate the more we're GONNA get the government to regulate right the more that we can't do the more that somebody else is going to do for us and probably in a way that we don't like it so stop being an idiot start being a decent human being I bet you you don't act that way in person. I Bet Atman all trolls you you what what are you doing like. Why do you act this way on the Internet when you don't act like this person I'm pretty similar? So how how I act on. The Internet is very similar to how active person it can be a little stupid for fun right. I can't draw I throw it out there. But there's there's a way to you engage a conversation while throwing but to be accountable for that that conversation I enjoy you know going back and forth and I think I have at least enough enough respect with the people that listen fall in engage with me on social media That they that as bad as I can probably make them or as mad as they make me I mean let's get Real I. There's there's definitely you know I'll give my boy Jason Cohen. A shout out here. I have tremendous respect for him. We have very very different political views. But we've always managed. We've we've not block each other and we're still friends I know he's still showed up on my pos. That's still show one is and you know I I. I think we always go out of our way to make sure that we know that We appreciate the conversation. Even if like we're having the worst time at the moment right then and there were still like were still enjoying you know the company and the perspective even if he's he although he's he's made an impact on the way that I might present information or what. I should expect to have to come back and get from at some point or like as far as is you know if he's bringing it. I better be bringing it to It's I think it's it's allowed. Both of us have a conversation Jason. I know you probably don't want me to give out there but jeers brother and he's not the only one there's several people and there's probably some people were troll me all the time that I'm not. I'm not mentioning that I probably should. They've made me everything I am on the Internet for the record but that that's a different type of conversation. That's not the type of trolling. You know that that I'm referencing but it can always be. That's how how it works and so you can fall back on a on a personal accountability not like hey man. I do this by this person getting on that I do this all the time. Well if you're a stranger ranger how can they know that you do that all the time right. Why should they take you seriously? We take social media seriously and we don't right. How do you make sense of that? Folks how do you know when it's so serious. And how do you know and it's not because you can go have fun all you want but the moment somebody else and boom it is out there. It's so important Horton L.. My Gosh did you see what trump tweeted I mean. I think everything trump tweets is big deal. It's it's he's got one of the most followers in all the world you know but just referencing the reason. Why we're we're calling upsad- DONALD TRUMP right? I'm going to get so many of us. I can't wait to see how many views I get just name. Donald Trump anyways so blockchain cultural accountability within this space has to begin somewhere. Folks I really they do my best. I do my best especially in Crypto none of my personal profile. I'm not talking about how I L. I act like you know as far as if I want if I want to post something on my account that has nothing to do with how I present myself. Socially in Crypto. And if you're not my friend you can't see my profile mine so for those you've listened are my friends. You might like GonNa talk about this all the time. I'm like Yep I do you talk about it with me but we never talk about it on Cece for Bitcoin radio right. It's always a little bit more professional and respectful respectable. Help me out here folks like if if you are not doing your part you could at least not attitude due to the problem right. I mean at worst. Just change the tone. Change the way that you might say. I'm not sure about this project or this project. Project seems really scamming now if they connect obviously but not every projects they connect right. I mean you can't judge everything bit connect there's several companies that I can compare it connector right now but we don't have to have that conversation with folks man like it's not it's probably not connect and just because the project failed failed. Didn't mean that a scam you project and businesses fail every day in Silicon Valley everyday. Somebody's money got wasted. I did not stolen wasted projects fail you go raise a million dollars. Guess what if if that's all you raised your probably behind doesn't mean you can't make it but only raising a million dollars sucks. Sometimes right go raised twenty five million dollars and the project fails in eight months You know obviously relative trying to build a space rocket well twenty five million dollars might as well be fifty thousand thousand dollars but you know as crypto scams go. Let's let's let's try to differentiate between scam and bad business. This can we do that. Can we try to do that a little bit. I'm not going to keep everybody too long today. And I hope that you've enjoyed this conversation I WANNA I know everybody's busy during the holidays. I'm not trying to go in there and push everybody rounds and listen to my podcast. But you know we've got to do something a little bit different. We've got to make the space a little bit more welcoming and we've got to be realistic and being realistic doesn't mean that everything's GonNa fail. Gives us a shop folks work with me all all right eight. It's our job. Take care of the diverse. If I'M NOT GONNA do it. You're not going to do it. Who is it's our job we've got to all do our part? I appreciate everybody W._C.. We'll see you soon.

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You have been in a fight that has lasted five years with an enemy that knows no bounds with no referee no rules you gotta get a little exhausted by now. Yeah. For. Better or worse I sorta figured I figured out that I had a lot more of my father in me and the genetic makeup after thirty eight years you know in business it was different in politics. It's so vicious. So brutal that found when we are backed in a corner, we fight back. It's why I wrote this book because I'm looking at who were running against I. Said wait a minute. The media is giving a guy with a half century a half a century in fifty years. I was negative eight when Joe Biden got his first elected office and they're pretending like he's this blank slate Democrat he's going to save the world is going to do all these things for America I go honestly if Joe, Biden get free can do anything for America like Why did you wait so long? Why didn't he do anything in the first half a century of his career and so yeah, we're in the fight, but I kinda like it. Would you bring up the book liberal privilege which by the way thank you for writing and before you ask me, Hey, chill have you read my book? You know I'm going to read the book. I haven't been able to read it because you've sold so many they're backlogged I did everything right? I got the book. Ord. Spouse to be here yesterday doesn't get here until this afternoon. One thing that I love about the way that you speak. It's very logical. You don't have to get deep into the weeds when you talk about People WanNa take guns but the people making that decision to have armed security or or somebody who doesn't WANNA border but they're living in a doorman building in New York I really do feel that Jamaican. Very good point there when you talk about somebody that's coming in and saying they're going to do change but they've been there for forty plus years of isn't that kind of a tough argument to make. It's honestly it's total bullshit. See Joe Biden talking about race he's going to fix race relations I go where were you with the eight years as vice president who the first African American president you could have done prison reform you could have done opportunity zones you could have pushed for the first step act, but you didn't do anything. You know why? Because the Democrats are full of crap they would rather run on problems. And come to every four years telling you that same victim problem you're the victim of this I'm GonNa fix I'm GonNa do this. I'm going and then do nothing and then they get the comeback in four years in campaign on the same problem Joe's had half a century listen. We know guys right there's sort of better second round fighters they take a little while to get in the groove. Get, comfortable guys go a little bit nervous. No one takes half a century to warm up be like. Now he's at the peak of his game fifty years. Later, he's going to be in his prime. He would have delivered something you know for those people who are on the fence I mean part of it is if you're on the fence, read the book because it tells you the narrative that the media refuses to tell it tells you that stories whether it's Joe Biden's health it's the family graft and it's not just hunter. Biden. Bothers taxpayer-funded office. It's the brother and sister and everyone. It's his terrible decisions that destroyed the middle class that send our manufacturing sector to China that destroyed working class America and he gets the campaign on it like he's blue collar, not blue color Joe. If you've got your I D C elected official office when you're in your twenties and have sat there for half a century ever since it's bullshit and someone had to call it out. Okay. Listen when I give you the compliment that you speak in very simple terms and everybody understands. And this is between you and me and the Internet and I won't tell anybody else. When you saw Nancy's response when she gave an apology for being setup, I mean at some point does that get a little tougher to do you ever sit back? I honestly. Was One of those I saw and again, and now they're perfect example of Liberal Privilege Nancy Mary Antoinette of the Twenty First Century Pelosi. She does it because they set up rules these are Democrat rules I. Mean She's one of the leaders of the Democrat Party is the number one Democrat in the country according to the constitution she'd sets rules but does not have to abide by those same rules honestly like it was one of those I looked at it, and when she tries to then blame this shop owner, she tries to cancel them get them destroy. saw just now literally before we're getting on twitter, she's brought on like legal counsel to deal with this I go oh, my God she's going all in like I was like I don't know whether to be upset or impressed at the level of balls it takes to be. Like none of now, I s to break the rules. I'm telling the forty million people of California and the three hundred, sixty, million people of America to live by a set of rules. They don't apply to me because I am the. Queen and therefore, I can do whatever I want and not have a mask and force a business that we're probably going to put out of business anyway to open up to take care of me but no one else on the block give me a break. Isn't that going to be a little bit of a tough argument if you are one of those business in impacted and you go okay, I saw this and I have to open up I just have to. Isn't ultimately a jury of your peers going to have to side with you don't you have a pretty strong case there that if the rules don't apply to the person that made the statement. I gotta go back into business what you in think. So except for in the People's Republic of California, you haven't it's mentality I mean look at what's going on whether it's California whether it's Portland whether it's new. York whether it's Washington state Washington DC this is the first time in history where you can literally go to jail. Be Fined for opening up your business to put food on your family's table but not be fined and not go to jail for burning down someone else's business this I mean it's literally this election is coming down to Church work in school versus looting arson and vandalism. Obviously the Conservatives on the church work in school but. Think about it. I wrote this book because I couldn't go to work for four months. I couldn't do anything we had shutdown down our businesses in. Put people that some people that have worked with for thirty five years on furlough because you can't run a business, you can't operate. If we have hotels, you can't have an eight hundred room hotel with one person staying at numbers don't work but they hold you to that standard. But when you go and burn someone else's business when you go loot someone else's business no problem NPR national public radio. Literally wrote an article, the defense of looting. These are your tax payer dollar's at work and the people that are writing the case that it's okay to loot businesses because of social justice or something like that. So a minority owned business or a business that has been family owned for forty years gets decimated. It's okay because there's somehow a social justice cause that I don't. It doesn't apply I spoke about injustice in my speech at the mentioned what happened to George Fluid that stuff can happen. It shouldn't happen in this country. We got a call it out when we see it that doesn't mean a that ninety, nine point nine percent of great law enforcement should be should be vilified the it doesn't mean. That you can go luda store. They're logic almost feels like we're honoring the death of George Floyd by stealing a sixty two inch screen and that's bullshit. Sure. There's a joke amongst mathematicians explaining why seven plus five is the same as five plus seven. The joke is that it's so logical and it's so obvious that it's tough to verbalize sometimes is if somebody asked you that why seven plus five same as. The answer is just so in of you, it's a little bit tough sometimes to answer and when I hear you talking about the that's what it feels. I'm out here in Portland. This is a very real thing where you're seeing on TV I've heard some people saying is manufactured by goodness is going on a few miles from my house. It's not getting any better. It's the opposite. It's getting scared when the sun goes down in the moon comes up it's almost like a party to these people unannounced and everybody's invite. These crowds are getting bigger I'm sure that I want you to know that I see with my own eyes. Well, and that's why the media has a hard time when my father went to Wisconsin because they're trying to pretend you see all these blue checkmark journal say journalists they're not really journalists their activists for the left right now but they call themselves journalists and you know they'll go to a park in Portland then they'll take a selfie. A tree in the background see we're not burning down you know imagine a group of like. It's far right. People took over at eight blocks section of an inner-city somewhere the they'd send in the National Guard and they'd wipe them out. But when it goes in these leftist cities in left the stage with leftist governors and left mayors and let this city councils and fifty years or one hundred years in some cases of Democrat rule. It's Donald Trump's fault. Don't forget the DNC the Democrats had one week in that. I. Hate America Zoom Call that they put on to nominate Joe Biden. They had one week with hundreds of speakers to address the violence, the arson, the looting, not one person spoke about it. Not One person spoke about it. The first time they mentioned that the first time they came out against it was when Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon were on CNN the other night saying, Hey, guys we better address. These starting to affect us in the polls because they don't care. If you go out of business, you become dependent on big government that's a net win for Democrats. It's not for America. It's not for small business. It's not for freedom but the Democrats don't offer much. If you believe in those things, they only offer you something if you're dependent on them and that's why there's like a tacit complicity in here I mean you do that with Joe Biden again you go through his health record. If Donald Trump had two brain aneurysms, two brain surgeries explosions in his brain. And then can't remember where he is fifty percent of the time like Joe Biden, this would be a global conversation. People would be talking about it Joe Biden it actually happens he can't remember where he is. You see him on the teleprompter he's a he's reading the byline. He doesn't know the difference. He has no idea where he is because he's like camouflage for the far left the media is going to spend a billion dollars trying to tell Middle America that Joe Biden somehow moderate so that they can get the people who will really be in charge his puppet masters. The Ao sees the world obviously Kamala Harris. All of these people Bernie Sanders platform that Bernie was running on is now on Joe Biden's website he's not a moderate with those kind of people around him. He's not a moderate with those platforms on website, but the media is trying to lie to the American people they did it in Pennsylvania was the perfect example days ago. Right? They go in Pennsylvania Joe Biden goes I'm not against fracking I'm before it because it's a big issue tens of thousands of jobs, the economy of Pennsylvania depends on. His platform on his website says the opposite in the CNN debates he said he's going to eliminate it. He's going to ban it. He's going to stop all fossil fuel production by twenty thirty. The media, let's him lie in Pennsylvania because they know that lie is beneficial to him in Pennsylvania in places where it's not give them the cover he can have the best of all worlds at all times and that's liberal privilege I hear a lot about privilege and I recognize that I am blessed and I am privileged I am the son of a rich guy from New York my family has lived the American dream but my mother also escaped socialism and communism from Eastern. Europe right. I get it. My grandparents made sure that I spent time there as a child I speak the language fluently, I used to go there for six weeks every summer because they wanted to make sure that I understood how blessed we were in America so I understand our privilege I get and I'm grateful for. Liberal privileges the exact opposite because it's as though it doesn't exist even though it's in our face and if you call them out on it, they cancel you. So I had to write the book because Americans have to know what they're actually up against it the media at any other point in time would it take any one of the chapters in that book and say this would be a game ending thing if they could spin in the opposite way against Donald Trump, it would be game ending when Joe Biden does it when Nancy Pelosi does it when Chuck Schumer does it Bernie? There's nothing to see here folks wonderful system. It's absolute craziness and we have to fight against it. Don I gotTa tell you I will be at random times driving around in my car some the myself and I'll have a very good laugh thinking about the last time that you and I spoke to remind you we just left MSG DS fought Mazda. Event and there was a reporter which means he set up a social media account of some level out of the UK, and if you remember that night when you guys came and your father, you guys included the building goes crazy Dana white walked up to said and I quote man I've been in a lot of buildings that I've heard roar I've never heard that before. So the place was crazy you and I were there and we saw it and this guy was like filming it. If you'll remember he was doing like a selfie yelling the word. Yelling the word into his Camberwell everybody's on their feet and they reported it like in the UK and I only bring that to you because there are some things that come back to five plus seven and seven plus five. There's some things that are so obvious. Okay. What people are paying attention? I don't need to actually address this people are paying attention, but the reality is no, you do have to address. That guy I I remember it distinctly because that became the news that everyone else aggregated donald trump gets booed at MSG. I mean we're there with Dana. He's been to what every UFC I don't know that he's missed one he goes that was the most electric entrance I've ever seen at the UFC in twenty something years and he credits my father. I. Mean Listen. They've tried to cancel Dana for speaking at the RNC twice he did an awesome job. You know last week it just brought the heat brought the passion, Brooke. Some facts facts that people don't talk about about business about trump's accomplishments. About the administration about his history with Donald Trump and how he helped the get off the ground I. Mean Dana has been one of the few guys. That's loyal. Most people you know there's a lot of money in turning your back on that and I remember Dana said that to I'm like, wow that that actually means something and so then I'm watching the news on twitter as this is going on I'm like, what are you talking about like? I'm literally there and I've seen that happen. So many times I've been in the room with my father and I hear the conversation there and then gets reported in the news by someone who wasn't there. Well, we have a reliable source that says X. Y. Z. I mean it's happened to meet so many times. It's so opposite of the truth and they don't care I'll tell you good story. It's one I actually haven't haven't really told and. It because it happened to me it's sort of relevant to the Times. You know there's there's all this stuff with Jeffrey Epstein right all the craziness with that sociopath right and you see all the time how they try to link him to Donald Trump now you have to billionaires from. New York. City there's like two pictures of him together with Donald Trump and so they use that all the time, but they refuse to talk about him going to. Bill Clinton, going to Epstein's island twenty eight times getting a massage pictures of him getting massage from a teenage girl that was one of Epstein's victims. You know they don't talk about that. They don't talk about that. Through Epstein. Go, he was a palm. Beach Guy Fifteen twenty years ago because just even just on the rumor said, don't come back. They won't talk about that. But one of the reporters from one of these like left wing rags had someone tell them a reliable source that I was once on Jeffrey Epstein's plane going to some island and I said, it's untrue and they go. Well, when was this was like two years? Ago I win was I on the plane they go approximately two thousand and five I go I've never met the guy I don't know but I don't know how to prove something that happened fifteen years didn't happen fifteen years ago. Now I asked where it was I found out where the party was like I actually was going with a friend down to his development he was opening up an island development unrelated. Epstein may have been nearby or their whatever it was but I didn't and I remember the guy actually went down with and I call them I go you know do you still have the same guys on your flight crew? He goes actually. Yeah go can you get me the records because these guys wanted to write donald trump junior was on the plane with Jeffrey Epstein they the guy was. Just waiting to hit send just to try to screw me over just to try to ruin my life I knew it wasn't true I told him as much. It didn't matter because he had a quote unquote source. So the pilot gets me the information miraculously had I go here's me on the manifest the same days that you say I was on the other plane. Here's the point I'm actually on. Sue Your ass off and it was as though I ruined his life I ask. Why, why do you have no interest in you know Jeffrey Epstein you know and Bill. Clinton. George Stephanopoulos who's on the news every day until Good Morning America he has had dinner with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates and these other guys literally after the guy was already a convicted sex offender. This is before anyone knew about it publicly maybe it was rumor and people knew there was a reason we told him to come back to our club anymore but. Now that it was proven and he'd been the jail. These guys are still hanging out with him. That's not a story but that I was on a plane with him supposedly fifteen years ago was the way to try to ruin my life and canceled me and when I gave him, the proof that it wasn't happened it was like I punched him in the face. He was so upset because he just wanted to ruin my life he just wanted to make that connection, but he had no interest in pursuing the actual connections of other people that are real celebrities. Big In this world that gave Jeffrey. Epstein a total pass after after he was an actual convicted sex offender. That's the craziness of the world in which we live. That is liberal privilege and that is why I had to write the book. You told me I was GonNa like that story I. Love that store my favorite word of it though was approximately and I was talking with Douglas Crosby I heard of doing this piece I. Think it was Mark Levin and he said you know people like to use the word mostly when they're talking about a protests mostly. Peaceful and it's really interesting like if you were to tell that to JFK that it was mostly peaceful he drove through Dallas on that. You're going to see the problems with like there might have been a thousand people there clapping and mind their own business. You see the problem with the word mostly though yeah. Well, Mrs Lincoln it was mostly peaceful play yeah, Yeah Yeah Yeah. I. Mean. That's what they do and the reality it's not mostly peaceful I mean I'm watching mostly people being jammed down my throat as a narrative as they are literal buildings buildings on fire in the background, and they're still selling it Chris Cruise zillow whatever it is of CNN, the other day well, mostly peaceful the image he used it's still pitcher each city on fire like how do you sell that to regular people and you're? The problem is listen. You're into this stuff into this stuff we're watching we're consuming a lot of information but people that are working hard getting a couple of minutes of news a day they're being spoon fed and narrative that's total bullshit and you know what they're busy I get it. They're trying to live their dream they're working hard. It's ninety six percent negative against Donald trump even with unprecedent unemployment numbers, all the accomplishments of the. Administration all the things he said that he was going to do in two thousand sixteen that he's delivered on. Donald, trump has done more in four years than Joe Biden has done in fifty, but the media would have you believe that now again, he's just a late bloomer. Now he's going to start delivering. The Guy can't remember where he is fifty percent of the time I have a feeling he's not going to deliver for the. People the guy can't remember his white from his sister. He can't read a teleprompter. How's he going to do negotiating against President? Gee China how about Iran or North Korea? I mean are we insane? I don't mean to make light of dementia and mental issues and stuff like that. It's not funny. We all know people that deal with these things. It's a really serious thing, but we also don't trust those people with the nuclear codes. We don't trust them with a multi trillion dollar economy. We don't trust them with our grandchildren and our children's future. That's what the Democrats are doing. That's what the media is doing with Joe Biden under the hopes that they can put their radical leftist agenda into the place with fake blue-collar Joe. It's Asinine and someone has to call it out, and if there were any general worth their salt, they do it and I wouldn't have to write A. Book but I did because I just don't see anyone actually doing it. Don You are infectious put me in a tremendous spirit for the day I'm going to have an awesome liberal privilege. Everybody knows about it. We're going to check it out buddy. Thank you very much for your time. Good to be with. You man thanks a lot I like, but you're also the only other person that speaks as fast if not more fast than I do. So it's That's good and I've done a lot of interviews. So I love but buddy thank you. Think that is a big compliment. Enjoy your day PAL guys, Donald Trump junior liberal privilege. It is out there everywhere and I have ordered by the way that was not a stick I was doing with them. I was not prepared for the interview I knew that it was coming. The book is back ordered. It is backward I will have it this afternoon. I can give you a recap because I saw the four which is quite simply that he speaks very clearly and in all fairness. In today's world when you're trying to talk to everybody, there was a very good line used by Michael Jordan and I believe it was nineteen, eighty nine but Jordan. Was Massive. You guys who could be younger and didn't even live through the Jordan era certainly know who Michael Jordan is even today. And he does his best to avoid the spotlight. He did a piece on ESPN. Part special. And I mean this thing did ratings like you would not believe. Georgia's Kinda recapped his career I use that as an example because even if you live through the Jordan era, but you still feel the power of Michael Jordan today, it was a very real thing if I was to compare it to something right now, I would compare it to Oprah. and. There's even a book written on Oprah called the Oprah effect and if you guys don't know about this, she used to record shows ahead of time. And there was people very smart people that would go into a studio audience and they would just see who the guests were, what it was. They were talking about and then they would leave the studio audience very unassuming, very casually dressed and they would go buy stock or invest in the company that Oprah had the speaker on for that had yet to be aired. There's literally book called. The Oprah effect is a very powerful thing. I compare her to that because Jordan had this same kind of influence and somebody asked him at one point a reporter said. How come you don't get into politics not meaning you run for office how come you don't ever discuss politics in Jordan, had a very good line. That was one sentence long and he simply said. Because Republicans buy shoes to. And the reason I bring that to you is when you are talking about Donald Trump and I, do tell him the Capo that he speaks very calmly. You don't need to be on either side of a coin to agree to that point. Now. You can argue if you liked the way he talked what I'm sharing for you is that you will understand the point in very simple terms. There is very limited chance that some piece of you right now. Isn't either her happy with. Shale. Or angry with. A very real thing right? I get it. I know what I just did. It wouldn't change the point that you understood it. I am right on that I will win you over on that and I do look at what Dana had to do. In terms of talking to the world who's watching at the RNC and I was so interested in what his performance was going to be. Performance is a word that people tend to resist and we tied into and I talked to you about characters and persona and perception gained attention a lot. The masses appreciate that but that's a broad stroke statement. If. That's ninety percent. True. Okay. Grid that means that it's ten percent resistant. So, when I talk to you about the word performance. You need to make sure that you're part of the ninety percent that accepts it I mean listen anybody could have sang blue suede shoes. But there was a reason that Elvis was on stage in the blue jumpsuit. And when I talk about Danes Performance and I tell you that I was interested in what that was going to be. He was put in a spot. That wasn't particularly easy. He had agreed to do something. On closing night. Which means he's closing there's no way to to blow a little this way and blow a little bit. That way he agreed to go and do something. How is he going to do that? While remembering in observing what Michael Jordan simply said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, which is Republicans buy shoes to how are you going to do that And he did. And I was excited all day. I was looking forward to seeing this wasn't the mass I knew what the message was buy wasn't as. Interested in the words I wanted to see how he was going to close. Wild absorbing the line by Air Jordan himself. And I bring that to you because it's real simple. You use words that people understand and there's something to be said for the performance. And, a moment ago, I told you. That you're either happy which right now or you're not. But I am right. You are one of those two. There wasn't emotion and I was also right. To Tell Donald Trump junior that he is infectious. You're either having a good day now or you aren't. I. Hope you're on the side of good day. And I hope that you learned something. 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 How Donald Trump changed course on coronavirus

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How Donald Trump changed course on coronavirus

"They today Donald Trump's confusing and contradictory approach to tackling corona virus for the past few months the Guardians World Affairs editor. Julian border has been reporting on Donald Trump's response to corona virus. His statements have ranged from denying it spread in the US to this week announcing he always named or become a pandemic. This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. All you gotTa do is look at other countries but now the virus has taken hold in America affecting every state with many of them posing lockdown measures this week. The government proposed a one trillion dollar aid package trying to an economic crisis tonight. Parts of western New York on lockdown as overly opposing all bars and restaurants beginning tonight California shutting down bars and wineries is taking extraordinary steps to contain the corona virus officials in six counties in the bay area have now ordered a near lockdown just months before a US election which until recently that very positive for the president from the Guardian. I'm Rachel Humphry today in Focus Donald Trump and covet nineteen. What kind of challenges does something like Corona virus post to a a prime minister or President? D Think Julian the basic challenges to lead probably will possibly will. It could be at a very small level or could be at a larger level. What making tough decisions have a political risk but are in the national interest how the Democrats are politicizing? The Corona virus. And this is the new hoax us have to be able to project urgency relaxed doing great. It all will pass a clarity and come all at the same time to combat and ultimately defeat the corona virus. And how well do you think? Donald Trump has done so far on that leadership not very. Well I mean this is not really his forte Jillian. How did trump I respond? When Colonel Virus took hold in China in January? Well the first time he actually gave a response was a couple of days after the first. Us case appeared in Washington state of their words about a pandemic at this point. We're not at all and we're we have a totally under control communist China. It's going to be just fine. Van First Response. Really kind of characterize his response for the next month that there is nothing to worry about calm after become. It'll go away. We're prepared and we're doing a great job with it and it will go away to stay calm yet. It's very kind of confident rhetoric. Is that something that we've heard repeatedly from him? Yes absolutely especially when it is an issue that either reflects on his competence or could have an impact on the economy and this the basic numbers. He watches stock prizes. The Dow then we have become accustomed to this kind of happy talk and after that first case in the US was reported. Was the government quick to react. Not at all really. The first major measure that was introduced to try and contain the threat was the very end of January January thirty first. The trump administration has announced a ban on any foreign national who traveled to China. In the past. Fourteen days. You will be denied entry into the United States for this time. That was the first measure they took. And for some time. The only measure the the trump administration took a couple of days later. He was on Fox News and he was asked. How concerned are you now? We pretty much shut it down coming in from China We have a tremendous relationship with China. Which is a very positive thing. But we can't have thousands of people coming in. Who may have this problem? The Corona virus. You just close that war and the problem itself say simple. Judy knew just of that. One case. And it's it's sold. Yes absolutely and he we you know. We saw another trump trait in times of challenge when they're kind of variety of different data out there different sources of information. He will grab on to the most optimistic now. The virus that we're talking about having to do a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat as the heat comes for a while. He became convinced by people who saying that. It might die out by April. You know in theory when it gets a little warmer miraculously goes away. Hope that's true. He did sets up a response. Unit at the end of February headed by Mike Pence. What was intended to do that was mostly intended to handle the messaging in the days until then the sort of public information the briefings given to Janice were handled by the Centers for Disease Control and prevention the CDC the day before that decision but Mike Pence in charge of the CDC given a alarming briefing. Im I was alarming. In the it was very much a break from the kind of happy talk that preceded it community level interventions that may be most effective or also the most likely to be associated with unwanted consequences and further disruption ahead of immunization. Nancy Sonia was telling the reporters and that basically life is not going to be the same again everyday. Life may be severe but these are things that people need to start thinking about now. She told reporters that she'd Saint Her children down at breakfast. That day and said there's going to be severe disruption to our way of life and of course this made headline news because came such a break from the public messaging coming from the administration the CDC's stark warning came on the same day. White House. Economic Adviser Larry CUDLOW DISMISSED THE THREAT OF CORONA VIRUS. Telling CNBC viruses contained. His remark echoed President. Trump's assessment Tuesday that corona virus is quote very well under control and trump was apparently furious and so his first step was to put a loyalist in charge. I'm going to be announcing exactly right now that I'm going to be putting our vice president Mike Pence in charge. My role will be to continue to To bring to the president The Best Options for action to see to the safety and wellbeing and healthy American people. I mean in terms of controlling the message. Trump himself has when he's been interviewed by various pool. Cost is spread. Some quite misleading. Information about the virus itself isn't he one of the comparisons that trump has frequently made is with a common flu and has repeatedly suggested it is not more dangerous We have it so well under control. I mean view this the same as the flu when somebody sneezes I mean I try and bail out as much as possible and he was also saying much. The same time that going to work wasn't a problem. We have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by sitting around and even going to work some of them go to work but they get better. This was a time when he had his eyes glued on the Dow stock prices. This idea of the economy. I really held in his public messaging until the end of February. You can't be a politician shake hands. People come out where I leave. I'll be shaking with people. They want to shake your hand. They want to say they. WanNa hug you. They WANNA kiss you. I don't care if you have to do that. He's also been pretty slow on the uptake. In terms of not shaking people's homes. He has made a point of being televised going up to rope. Lines checking people's hands. If I WANNA run dawdled check it. Can you imagine I'm going to be with a group of people and they like trump and they come up? Sir Thank you. I can't at the beginning of March. Gd And this crisis arrived on America's doorstep when the grandparent says Chretien was held off the coast of San Francisco. How did trump deal with that particular moment? Most of the expert opinion was getting people out of there and into a situation where they could be quarantined and properly screened. They would like to have the people come off. I'd rather have the people statement. I'd go with them. I told them to make the final decision but he came out against that. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship. That was it our fault. I'd rather have him stay on. So that means the number of cases in in the US would inflate and he didn't want it to be anymore. That's right because I was cases would be counted as American cases. Other statistics would suddenly jump as he appeared to consult with experts along the way or or does he seem to think that he can understand this on his own. You know as with many things. He has a very inflated idea of his own gut instincts and his own capabilities on during this famous visit to the CDC headquarters in Atlanta. He was spent a lot of time on camera saying how impressed the doctors had been there with his own knowledge. How amazed they were At how much he knew about the krona virus. I like are you getting? Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running to personally do you think he really does know very much about corona virus. Jillian everything he has said about her own virus suggests that he doesn't really understand how vaccines work against it. You take a solid flu vaccine. You don't think that would have an impact or much of an impact on corona now how viruses spread so trump's responses ranged from denial to these bizarre explanations but then last Thursday he made an announcement in the Oval Office. My fellow Americans tonight. I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the corona virus. Outbreak happened on March the eleventh. He made what was only the second address to the nation from the Oval Office of his presidency and that was to announce we will be all travel from Europe to the United States for the next thirty days and in which he referred to the corona virus as a foreign virus also made a handful of sensible public health information announcements about washing hands and social events but the the headline was this European travel ban. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you from what you've told me. Julian trump has made many decisions on this with one eye on the markets were impacted. This speech have on them while the markets reacted negatively next morning the markets sank because markets have been expecting some major economic package and that wasn't in the speech from the White House so then the next day trump went out and throws garden and to unleash the full power of the federal that this effort. Today I am officially declaring a national emergency declaring national emergency two very big words and that Chid mocking comp and there was a temporary rally on Friday. Yeah and what else was was promised in that national emergency speech trump promised free testing and a private public partnership in speeding up the delivery of testing. Which is being the main problem. So far. He brought out a string of corporate leaders who each in turn said what they're corporations would be contributing to a national effort and he made a claim that Google I want to thank Google. Google is helping to develop a website where you can find out everything you need to know in one place. It's going to be very quickly done. Which came as a surprise to the Google engineers who had initially only intended it for healthcare workers and suddenly had to retool it to be a a national resource. Was this rhetoric and improvement. Perhaps on what we'd heard from him in the weeks leading up to the speech clearly. This was a sign a VAT. The White House was now taking this crisis. Seriously the declaration of a national emergency is very important in terms of how states respond to the emergency because it frees up a lot of federal aid of lot of federal spending the have been withheld until then Mr President thank you I wanna I follow up on Jeff's question because the person you were standing next to whether you know who he is or not tested positive for Corona Virus Dr Fao. She said this morning while all of this was going on. Reports were emerging that a delegation of Brazilian ministers who had visited trump and his mar- log resort were being tested for current virus. And since then some of them have tested positive although we're still waiting to find out if the Brazilian President Jabal scenario is one of them. Was there growing pressure on trump to get tested to? He was asked in the Rose Garden whether he was going to get himself tested. most likely Most enough for that reason. But because I think I will do it anyway Will you let it fairly soon? We're working on that. We'll work out a schedule. And then he did have a test and that test of negative I think he will remain under pressure to get himself repeatedly tested. Donald trump may have been tested but many Americans if not an it's becoming one of the biggest failings of the administration after this. Jillian will explain where all went so wrong testing current of ours as he mentioned. Julian has been a complete disaster in the. Us Why is that well it started out okay in the CDC very quickly developed a test and began shipping out on the fifth of February but then it emerge. We're learning tonight about a problem. With some of the corona virus test kits sent to labs across the country including here to California the CDC says. Some of the kids are flawed. And don't work properly as a top CD official says quote. This has not gone as smoothly as we would have liked. One of the reagents wasn't working so it couldn't produce reliable results so they had to recall back batch of tests and start again now at the same time there were other things that could have been done. They could have imported test was already a test approved. By the World Health Organization they could remove regulations as stopping private house to hospitals and lamps developing their own on a fast track basis. But they didn't do any of that just waited for the new round. Cdc test to come out and that was held back because by then there was a global shortage of the reagents that are an essential part of the the task kit right now and yesterday. Anybody that needs a desk is there. They have the test and the test of beautiful. How many people have been tested so far? Well as of last week it was only about fifteen thousand. Which is what at that same time. South Korea was doing a day. Koreans have very easy access to our one of the testing centers in could even drive through if they so wish and they would be notified within a five to six hours of testing with about ninety eight percent of accuracy. Now they have thrown far more resources at it. They brought in far more private labs into developing Tests and it is expected to be in the tens of thousands by now. But then there's still a long way behind most of the rest of the world and it really is extraordinary that the US has handled this quite so badly is something that can be blamed on. Donald Trump or the center for Disease Control ultimately this is about has been about leadership and the US response was hampered from the very top in in two thousand eighteen. When John Bolton was then national security adviser he acts the position in the National Security Council. That was opposed to coordinate national support response to a pandemic the global health security team which was set up in the wake of the Ebola outbreak under the Obama Administration. He just acts that from the National Security Council in a stroke that took away that capability of coordinating national all across government approach than the same time they were counting funds for the CDC but this lab is already cutting back its testing and hiring due to a proposed twelve percent funding cut for the CDC and that means reduced surveillance and Reduced Reaction Times to an outbreak as a result the CDC had to cut its epidemic prevention efforts in thirty nine out of the forty nine countries where it had been active. One of those countries was China. And what was the administration's reasoning for cussing that response team in two thousand eighteen at his heart? A reflected a world view of the National Security Advisor at the time John Bolton who didn't see health issues as being a a serious top flight national security threat. The idea that public health be included was not a priority as trump taking any responsibility for this situation light if those cuts he made two years ago no and in fact in the Rose Garden just gets a nasty question because what we've done is And Tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing And when you say me I didn't do it. We have a group of people I could. I don't know anything about I mean. You say you say we did that. I don't know anything about it in a way. The scary thing is that it is just about believable that he is so disconnected from the actual Madison boasts of running the government. This may have been done by Bolton and he may have been entirely oblivious to it trump maybe disregarding the science on this Julian but he does seem keen to find a vaccine. How's he going about trying to do that? Yeah he's been very focused on the the idea of a vaccine when it comes to drugs and vaccines because we're talking about a vaccine maybe a cure. It's possible so we'll see about that but we're talking about a vaccine and then moving along very quickly. All of the pharmaceutical companies are moving. I'm also pleased to report today. That a vaccine candidate has begun the phase one clinical trial. This is one of the fastest vaccine development launches in history. Not even close Jillian. You've talked about how big a challenge this virus poses to any leader especially for someone like Donald Trump with election. Coming up in November. Do you think he's worried about how this could affect his reputation. I think this is a grave threat to his presidency His right to be worried not only in terms of the direct effect and the way it will expose the government's incompetence particularly over testing. And this may be a failure whose implications will become more a more clear over time but also of course on the the economic event. Nothing is normal anymore. Even social distancing at the opening bell couldn't prevent the selloff everyone was bracing for within seconds circuit breakers kicked in halting trading across the board clearly volatility. Absolutely a repeat of last week he was a few weeks ago and seems to be cruising to at least you know a very good chance of reelection because economic numbers were a positive. Now you have a crisis. During which the administration flailing the economy is now very much under threat from this global pandemic and you have a likely. Democratic nominee in Joe Biden and Biden has gone out to present himself as a competent leader and day. After trump's address biden made his own kind of quasi presidential address from Wilmington an which he presented a range of measures of urgent measures. He thought the government ought to be implementing now in a way presenting himself as an already as an alternative president. Is there any sense? During the trump might change his approach to the CORONA VIRUS IN THE COMING WEEKS. Trump has already changing his approach. I mean we are well beyond denial. Now he continues to play it down relaxed. We're doing great. It all will pass but he is obviously very much seized of the threat that it poses to him and his survival in office. And so you're seeing a much more aggressive measures. There's every sign that trump's administration trump himself. Is this much more seriously in the last few days. Gillian thank you very much. Thank you that was Julian Borja. You can read all of his work at the GARDEN DOT COM and keep up to date on the latest. Us Corona Virus News via the lifelock. That's it for today but before I go. We're all living through a strange and very confusing time so in the coming weeks. 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ACS (Part 1): Donald Trump, Jr.

The Adam Carolla Show

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ACS (Part 1): Donald Trump, Jr.

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My Blue Dot Com. That's M. Y. B. L. U. DOT COM from Girl Studios in Glendale California. This is the Adam. Corolla show Adams guest today. Donald trump junior junior with Gina Grad on news ball Brian on sound effects. Dave damages here with good sports and now and his dad is the second most powerful man on the planet. Adam Corolla the AC it on got to get it on a droid take for Kunin and thanks for sharing. Good Day Gina Grad. Hugh handball handball. Brian here we go in busy here because the secret service earlier and it was all kerfuffle but regularly yes seventy the jokes the interest. Funny because my Buddy Kevin Hinch tweeted me and you're GonNa talk that trump he said like you guys both have the same life to live on your Dad's shadow. I said I just texted him back. Has It's like yeah. My Dad doesn't cast a shadow because he doesn't stand up. You have to get off the sofa in order to really create a shadow sitting shadow. Oh I guess it's sundown. Yeah not really what. You're picturing in terms of living under hard to live under. You got to borrow under the so. You WanNa live under my dad shadow. Speaking of Perot parental complaints. I've been I've been really fascinated lately in people's version of life or what happened or how this thing went down now. You know. And I've always known like I've always known some people a little more hysterical like drew. Would you know drew. It always say I was walk into the airport. Woman came up starts screaming at me and I wasn't screaming at you. She said something. And what gives you the right to give advice on. He'd run into these people like I'm from the Foreskin Restoration Society. I heard you talking about circumcision. But they're not screaming now. I mean that's that's true. That literally screams tation chick wire. Everything's kicked up to the next level. So I get the accounts and re accounts of things and and I can't you know there's a lot of that goes on a legal system or I saw the man or but you didn't see the man or he turned his back and had his hands up and he shot in back but he wasn't shot in the back like there's a lot of that but as I go through life and then I also realize everyone's kind of guilty. The era of of doing that. I was explaining August in the next room. I was explaining to someone the other day I said have low self esteem and they went when low self esteem and I went i. I know what I'm good at and I own that stuff but I generally walk around. Nice I before I leave the hotel room I tidy it up. I don't I don't leave my trash or my beer bottles or anything out. I do a sweep and I kind of tidied up up and then I and then I leave all your tub as my move all his house in the TUB. Ireland's US I will I will. I will do some sort of version of I'm going to tidy up and then I will leave. I'm not GonNa make good for GonNa tear the down the bed and I'm not gonNA wipe down the toilet but I will. We'll tidy up the wiring anyway. So it's it's a lower self esteem that's fine a drew has low self-esteem because if fine I it's a good good wiring high self. Esteem is is hurting US thinking about but anyway I was having a visit with my mom. I'm in my Stepdad. I think we hit an all time. Low and the talk about nothing department lower than scones. Well you guys often the graphics you guys tell me you guys tell me I live in a big expensive house and drive cool cars. And I have have lots of three dachshund net flicks that are coming out the next week or so. And there's a book and there's much to discuss sure that that would be interesting. Well we're talk about yard sales and scones and things like that. My stepdad proudly announces a big big sale. Big Ticket item. He sold at a yard sale. I say upper. What was this big ticket item? He says it was a Schwinn bicycle. I said would you sell it for thirty dollars. Paul Newman's win by thirty dollars okay. That's a big ticket sale for them. I said when did you buy the bicycle. He said nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight nineteen eighty eight nine inch so appreciate it. I said what did you. What did you spend betting on the bicycle? He said twenty five what I said. It's a shrewd investor man. Shouldn't you be living your life in Mexico now like you could buy full-time security servants rape five dollars since one thousand nine hundred eighty yellow man is throwing dollar bills the window. Yeah he wasn't bragging like eight dollars. This is just something for us to disguise. You sold a bicycle small talk and you made five dollars more profit talk and it was just Schwinn. And some of those Sh- wins. They get restored and they go for lots of money you know. Once they get restored they go for line again. That's US just sitting there talking about nothing because I have racecars I'm restoring there. Were millions of dollars. But we're going to talk about a win. The could get restore the throw that in to add to his point that restoration we just talk about the Schwinn and a certain point I say and this is where this is kicks accent at a certain point I say well you know Schwinn is good stuff because the first UNICYCLE had was a Schwinn and back in the day there's like a Schwinn unicycle and then there was like wool worse junkie weird Taiwanese crappy now. There's a lot of in-between now. What I'm saying is when I was growing up there was a huffy junk? Or there's a twin Schwinn but there wasn't five things in between lean like there are with mountain bikes. Now you want. We want one for five hundred one for seven hundred. You went one for eleven hundred zero. We'll go up to ten grand. We'll have thirteen bikes in there. It was either either. You got the junk or you got the good stuff. It's the it's the Levi tough skin paradigm. which is there is no inbetween? Now there's a whole bunch of in between Wayne you know there's a bunch of fast food that tastes good. It's not even fast food anymore. Take back the day McDonald's or you eight out at a restaurant you couldn't do an in between so anyway. I said my first UNICYCLE was showing and my mom said Yeah. I remember buying your first unicycle at a yard sale in Santa Monica and I thought this is news because first things first his newsroom. Mattis have no one ever bought anything for anybody. You Got Twenty bucks on your birthday and Christmas Christmas. But no people didn't buy stuff people number one number two if you really think about the process of buying a unicycle before four somebody has a UNICYCLE or knows how to ride a unicycle sumptuous. It's kind of a weird thing to see a UNICYCLE and go. Hey my boy could use that because at that time if it's my I I don't know how to ride a UNICYCLE. So I was sorta thinking about it and I I was three was giving her the benefit of the doubt and I said now how old was I. She's a you're you were teenager and I said well I had a UNICYCLE and when I was about ten or eleven and I know right got a UNICYCLE. I know how I got a UNICYCLE and it was a very just basic story of might go to my dad's girlfriend's house who had a son who had a UNICYCLE and it just was like anuj room and he wasn't around and we just you know they're going to go in the kitchen and cook or something I was just hanging around the board off my ass somehow see that UNICYCLE. Ask if I can take it outside. And they're like in the kitchen. Yeah I go outside and I remember where I was. It was on the west side as a small street sort of around. Ucla and and I remember perching myself on car. Fender just parked out on the street. Just hanging crawling up the car fender and getting onto this thing and and somewhere between three in the afternoon and before it got dark by the end of the day I was able to take like four pedaled uh-huh and when you take your first four pedals on a UNICYCLE. Your bit like it's intoxicating. Oh my God I'm going I'm peddling. I like what what happens. Is You can always take your first pedal and a half to get away from the car. Yeah Vendor it's when you keep going and you just keep going and again it's like four or five petals but it's like oh I did it. I did it was like you stood up on a surfboard for the first time. And then you fell off immediately but that feeling I go up and so then I went home and of course. I was obsessed because I'd have balanced gene. I'd have balance wants imbalance and I was like I need to balance I need. I need this UNICYCLE. Now this Schwinn shop where they sold. The new UNICYCLES was directly in between my mom's house. So my dad's apartment was on I don't know if it's still there on Laurel Canyon by Chandler the Schwinn shop to me as an atheist. That was my temple. I would go in there and just smell vulcanized rubber and see the cool apple crate crate. Slick chick ring the bell all the bikes and apart. Look at the parts department last display case and all that task on the. Yeah I mean that was a big Dale now now. Possibly normal people would've just stopped at the Schwinn shop and spent forty nine bucks and bought a unicycle call but that was completely unimaginable. Out of question. One thousand percent wasn't going to happen but I did know that. GRANDPA AL Lewis the oldest son Dave as I recalled from some years earlier because I was friends with his younger son Teddy had a UNICYCLE and in fact it was a Schwinn. I didn't know it at the time are couldn't remember but it was there and I like when I got to get the whole the Dave Lewis and I'm going to see if he still has a UNICYCLE and sure enough like I call them and got a hold of him. Somehow it was like. Do you still have that UNICYCLE. Michael us to have from like back in the day and he's like it's in the yard it's just in the back it's rushing out. It's got a flat tire. Whatever and I was like would you like to sell it to me? And he was like fifteen dollars or something like that and then I proceeded to like wash every car and my dad's apartment building for like a buck. A Car Mar and I at that point was crazed. I was like a junkie. I was like I gotta get back on this Unisex. I then got my fifteen gene dollars. got over to them. They lived in Van. Nuys got over to GRANDPA's place got the UNICYCLE. The flat tire and the seat was all kind of busted up the fabric on it and I took it. I remember taken an S. t. p. pad the Brillo pad. Yeah Yeah what was it. Called this. Not As steep E. S. S. O.. Asprilla and I was cleaning all the rust off it. I was like oiling. Everything A. and patched it to be no an oil and fixed and even took a piece of gene like from making cut off and made like a seat cover out a denim showed it up. I would love to see this movie. Monteilh I think Dolly Parton written about it. heartstrings it's coming up on yes the the the the unicycle seat of a thousand quilted things so I made that thing and then I then I rode that thing once I got once I had it. It took me about two hours to like really. Just get on it and go go. And then within three days I was writing off loading docks and park benches and doing spins three sixties after topping off curbs and hop. I'd just hop off everything the thing about the UNICYCLE. At least back when I could do it you'd be surprised how easy it is to literally write it off loading docks a bad ass movie man. That's why I would go about three foot. You know like picnic. I could ride off a picnic table. No Problem Oh you the way you do it is you grab the front and the back of the seat you get your feet in the middle. Not Downer is right in the middle and as you go off you just sorta hop a little and then when you land you just land in the middle but off the seat you got hosting like you're right. They ended up with your hold the seat you land then you can ride on Nice do all so anyway. Then I broke my shoulder playing football and had a big a big novelty sized cast on my shoulder. The acid was the stand that held it away from your torso. No I had A. Hey that's that's the real novelty size. What I had is I had a horribly separated shoulder and the cast wasn't there to protect my shoulder to do anything to my shoulder? The cast was the hair to provide wait to keep my shoulder shoulder from coming out because it had been out for four days so I had a big thick novelty arm cast and it looked like I broke my arm. I broke my arm shoulder that was broken and it was supposed to hold it down now. It also came with this like saxophone. String loop that went around your dad's in and then it clicked in and everything. I was supposed to keep that thing clip but after three weeks unclamps riding around a UNICYCLE and playing dodgeball. So just I had the cast. But he's a good use of my arm. My shoulder felt fine at that point and I'd had been riding around with my cast and it may show their parents who who never had rules announced. Listen my mom did the you can't ride around with this big cast on your shoulder because I think it makes her look like a bad mom and it Kinda does you know I get it so I yeah I wrote the UNICYCLE. Fine did made no never mind to me the shoulder in the past and it wouldn't have made any difference but you never fall off you step off it constantly constantly but you don't fall off it but anyway I just wrote it no problem and then she said you can't write it and then the second I couldn't ride it my buddy up the street Chris. Not Chris you know Wanted to borrow it. Of course I lent it to. Of course he kept it for three months. Of course the cast off and then when I wanted it back. This is only part of my childhood that I enjoyed. There was no dogs and no basketball hoops above ground pools. There was just the UNICYCLE. He said I put it in your yard. Put it in your backyard and I said well it is not there. I mean I remember member horrified like going into the backyard where he put it behind the trees at under the the deck. And it's like no. It's not there. His his answer was well. What are you going to do and I should? I'll tell you what I'm into claims court. I want something but I had low self esteem. So there's nothing I was going to do and I said to my mom. Can you speak Chris's mom and can we figure This out because I'm out a UNICYCLE and down one down and by the way that's all I have. I don't have grades. I John have football during the offseason. Nothing I got nothing. I don't have a dog. I don't have anything. This is by fallback plan. This is my fallback plan this this UNICYCLE and then my mom said Yeah and then I talked to my mom unclear whether she ever did it or not but she said Yeah. I talked to her and she I said Hey said he put it in the already. Put it in the and that was the end of the UNICYCLE now. The first ever believed their kids. Because we are moms would have been like you you pay for that unicycle right now where you find a unicycle you bring out to the front yard right now. There are many many who's mantras believes face value. I don't that was just like that. Here's where my mom didn't want to do. She didn't want to get into the weeds with this woman like liar. You Owe me money or I'm GonNa Take Your Kid's bicycle until you return to do any team want to get into a confrontation with her would also have involved her standing up for her son which she had no history of right and then it also would have involved this woman saying her son was a liar. So my my my mom said He put it in the backyard right and their mom went. Yeah my mom came home at the end of that. Better the line and and it's like Hey bitches could've just split the cost of one like we're not talking about a skip loader or round trip to Maui and he's a fucking UNICYCLES got one. We just half a bike. That's half a bike like you to average age. Forty four years of Vegas you're average. You're you're in your mid forties. There is a Schwinn that is shown walking distance. Could it just went. I'll pay half. You may have. Let's get the kid whatever you should want to pay half to make full go way to end the conversation but no UNICYCLE last UNICYCLE. And and that was it in the UNICYCLE department so I found it interesting the other day when my mom was recounting the story of buying me my first UNICYCLE. When in fact act it's quite a bit worse than not buying me my first UNICYCLE? You help give away my first suicide. I never took any responsibility like like well. I was the one who said you had to get off it and I told the audit then. Chris borrowed it then. Chris Dole it and now and I never had another UNICYCLE. There was there was no more of that now. Now I do get that in your brain. This is how you would have liked. Things drove happen like I ate happened all the time. When I chase chase that purse snatcher down the street and Santa Monica with the woman screaming and Blah Blah Blah and got the purse back and everything else eventually when everyone gathered out on the street and the COP showed up and the cops like what happened? There was a lot we heard screaming. So we we I. We know you're you're in your apartment. I was on the street chasing the guy and then he dropped the purse and he jumped into a Rx seventy took off. That's what happened but I know you wish it went down this way. If I didn't have time right so I find it very interesting and I know like I get it like people people get older memories fade and stuff like that memories do fade but what about concocting news stories. Super flattering to you members of all biggest basins. Like you're at the end of the line. You're horrible mom but I don't want to go to the grave being a horrible mom so I'm going to put some stories again. Memories do fade but how clearly I can remember my my my grandpa especially how clearly memory stay of really great moments of light in your favor member moments that are real favorable to you like all this time like can you remember. He's pretty clear when it comes. That's the broken cash register theory. Why ever broken in your favor right that is that is the way I look so look at it so I thought it was very interesting that we were telling the story my Stepdad? He was condominium. I don't remember you're getting I. I do Kinda remember his story. I can't pipe up. 'cause I gotta live with this person sleep and not the same room. Yeah my my I gave my Stepdad. A Buck slip which is then other thing. I'm endlessly fascinated with my step dad pulls out doc pieces of those. I don't know what size the very small note pad paper not pad but the little binder papers are the ones that are like four inches five five inches tall and two and a half three around the sideways over there. You'll pay a little memo pad the wallet size but a little size of a wall. Aw and as a loose paper and for years he's been pulling it out and it's like making. Oh Oh yeah I gotta get new batteries for my hearing and stuff like that and I see him fumbling with it because it's paper. It's like he's trying to write on Origami. You know and it's it's too much pen for his first. I paper and so I said to him like five years ago I go John. You should get a buck slip. You just get a pile of buck slips. They just go online. Or wherever. And just have the. You're right and stuff constantly on this thing. Your your pen is poking a hole in the paper. And it's all crinkled up. You're trying to read your writing w get a buck slip. Get Buck slips. And he goes Oh okay and then at seem like you know six months recital piece papers coming out against writing something down and I'd be like get a buck slip. Oh Yeah and then I sent him seven times and then at a certain point I saw him over the weekend. He's of course he's writing on the piece of paper again. I go. I don't get it why. Why don't you just go online and order stack of Fifty Bucks Lips? Then he goes The Guy The guy said they're out of him the Guy I always do what I do. which by the way if you ever hear me do this Mr Amazon? There's a run in front of a truck like well if the guy said. There's nothing you could do that. I guess that's that there's just no possible way to get bucks and then I you can do. I want the other room and I got him some of my bucks. Oh she can ride on it but I thought what is that thing in life or you just go. Yeah I know you you keep telling me to do this thing but I'm never going to do it. And then my answer will be that guy said now. What about what about buck slips? I wonder if that's the devil. You Yeah no number one. He he knows the paper. That's a system and number two. You made the motion the pocket the buck slips too big for the pockets. Wonder it's just like it's just a simple explanation as hey this fits in. My bucket can't breast pocket. Well if that's his simple explanation he would offer it up. He doesn't offer that up he goes. I can't find it also you you fold them in half and you can slide them right into any anywhere you want but I just I just. It's so weird like people like I like when somebody gives me a tip goes hey why don't you do this instead. Go thank you and then I start the next the next day. Yes Kristie the coffee offie in the in the yeah the shaking up and got all the cream ever that typically she loves it get is Olga still out there. Get around the hot mic. Did she believe Oh bought sunny fans. I'M GONNA fire all right. Well if we're does she go. They went to the store. They're coming back okay when they come back and cream when a comeback well. We'll put her on the Mike. All Right Hey Doug Thirty six Boston Austin as man get it on get it on man so just left corporate world kind of working in the trades now and The walking into some some really terrible houses over the last month or so Some sites I never thought I'd see what some of the kind of maybe the worst houses you've been into Doing construction and that kind of thing me in terms of like coty whatever not shoddy. I'm talking about the people and I'm talking about this stuff. They got in there in the last month. I've been blown away. Well doing earthquake Rahab. Obviously the guy who defecated in five gallon bucket and just kind of kept it. These are all studio apartments with Murphy. Bed Murphy they have those anymore now. I mean I don't know the had them when this place was built in the thirties. There's defecate and the bucket guy. There was the guy who had an entire wall of panels cut out from the half gallon milk containers. -tainer cardboard wants. It had two missing kids on them. Well you were defecating. The Bucket Guy I was. I was a pioneer judge John. CB judged you know. I know they're doing defecating into a five gallon. Bucket and it decorative popcorn ten complete with snap led these are world so having done either one. I wouldn't know I am nobility compared to this animal well to be fair to me. I lived at a garage with no bathroom and I would get locked. Act Out of my house so I could. I could take a leak out in the SHRUB but I couldn't do a number two because I was locked out of the house. These guys had a bathroom he just chose to make can do is bucket. The Guy with the panels man that guy with the panels he was the freakish thousands thousands well. It's like one of those things things were like. He would buy a gallon or a half gallon of milk probably twice a week and over the course of thirteen years he would rinse him. Sit out he would cut just a panel out with the missing kid and stack them. Stack them to the ceiling. I think several those kids were behind the panels. Cut Out the thing we know. He's a serial killer. Yes run away at this whole thing was about. Video is all kids. Oh sorry yeah yeah I like this song. So there's another guy who did bring prostitutes in to his room this. You're all subsidize living people. There's course Shakey Jake. With the shotgun lot of cooking with Lard man cooked with Lard and bad shagged or not a good Combo and very small unit really stays stays in there but as I was thinking you know. I think we're talking about this sunny. Never we're really GONNA have this. Is that the places that smelled like something. Five and dime store had a smell the go inside Schwinn shop the Schwinn shop at a indefinite smell these people's apartments. Everything's kind of Febreeze. There's no smoking anywhere and Blah Blah Blah Blah. But like places that have distinct smells. millicent was the one who managed the whole thing. She had a fat can. She was up front and Lee movie. Yeah sort of I have going into those. People's units is definitely by far the worst. And then there was cockroaches and stuff everywhere. And when you the terror part the wall scattered the kitchen walls. They're all behind in there in the kitchen and it'd be really hot in there and there's no air conditioning or anything it. It was a disaster. Doug you are looking forward to future now thanks. Yeah it's GonNa be really night's GonNa be it's GonNa be awesome What kind of construction you getting into? Well we're getting into Fire alarm installation all that kind of stuff so we gotta get creepy crawly places and all that kind of stuff in there. So I I have a complaint thank you I don't know Max ex-pat you know this about me I put together a plan and then that's my plan and then that's what we do and then that's how it works except for other people don't seem to go along with that a lot. A lot of variables. People here are pretty coached up like what I do is i. Don't know if we have seven. Oh five flight. I don't go meet it shop around six. I just go wheels up six ten wheels ups accent. Whatever that means? It's up to you. You may show up two minutes before we leave or twenty minutes before we leave. I just give the I I say at six ten. Everyone's in the car and we're backing out of this driveway or going forward with Mike oxes backpack flying five freeway. Maybe whatever it is and so I tend to speak in these little short little concise pieces and then I try to convey that to people. Where the ago you know you you? I will be there at so I did a CNN hit on Saturday CNN is doing something thing interesting. Which I think is going to be the wave of the future? which is they have one of those sprinter van sort of Mercedes makes one and I think Ford makes one? Maybe Chrysler makes the Tallboy. The tallboy wants they're Kinda cool. 'cause like the good if you're plumber the tradition but they're also good for doing production auction mobile dog grooming. Yeah and it's like you can get a base model for like thirty five grand and they work and they're pretty comfortable for customizable to yes and they're very it's kind of a very European style. We have the big vans. This is like a smaller van. But it's tall and yeah you could put leather seats and make it a luxury whatever or or you can put racks in it and make it work van CNN. Oh Max you gotta get my phone because I took this picture funny so CNN. Says Hey Saturday we're going to hit with you and I say okay and normally have to drive to the satellite plays ace and get all set up and whatever and now they they bring the mountain Mohammed. They bring this sprinter van the back of it it's diabolical the back of the van and it has a wall between the cab in the back. There's a camera that's on a rail and you can tell it. Looks like he could slided. I'm three inches or move it down for Dr Ruth or move it up for Kareem abdul-jabbar whatever but it's just a mounted rail camera the having the Co Star in the movie together they they have a black chair stool kind of thing but it's mounted. It's like hard mounted. It's like screwed the ground they have behind you a screen. It's not that why it's like four and a half foot wide by like three foot with just la night you know permanently on there or they could probably changed changed backdrop right you. You Open The van the van the rest of the vans all just sort of black and cloth in Acoustic. They have like a little basket with some hairspray and emir hand-held mayor and that kind of stuff you go in there you go through the big slider door you sit down the Guy Clips flips the mic on you. He puts the earpiece in. And then you sit there and you just do a whole remote hit front from your drive. I was not aware of that so oh I wasn't either but it's better than getting up and driving Sinoe at five thirty for him to write on the equipment. They're not using satellite location and also. Oh they know where you are. Let's say find out where you are because you may not show up in Van Nuys satellite location on Saturday addict addicts five here. They know your they'll be there so I go. Okay what's the what's the story. And the reason I took a picture of it and it made me laugh as they're gonNA show up at five thirty on Saturday my house gets royal. At peed on Friday night. At ten o'clock I'm like God damn it and Italian laugh and like everyone's laughing I go the CNN van is going to be pulled. He's not part of my driveway Steeton. He's a park in the street right in front of my house right where the House has got tea. And that's where that's where he's parking and they're laughing even harder and I'm like I don't like embarrassments weird walkthrough dangling toilet paper taper your wedding day or its worst right so a picture Max van now. The picture I'm showing can you is as he's pulling away. He was parked directly under all the toilet paper that was hanging from the tree. Nice job but Adam Corolla caveats. There's many shots as many more pieces of toilet paper hanging for my trees but anyway so I thought it was comical that I got I thought it was comical that I got T- peed lead Friday night and Saturday at six. AM CNN was showing up fan to park under my t. p. tree and do my thing but anyway you talk of it or you. Just pretend like it didn't happen. I walked out. I did the kids these days or whatever I don't know I kind of honor actual. So here's the thing terms of the plan. I I kept saying to cry. I kept saying to Matt. 'cause I know how goes what time do they want. They want you down there at six. Then they're gonNA do like a hit. Mike Check are quick. Hit now at six twenty and Blah Blah Blah and. I'm like okay now. All I've been doing is getting up early in leaving early early early in my whole life. This whole weeks been early. Get up so I was like Okay Matt you tell them I will be at that van at six ten and then I will walk in and then we can do our thing. It's twenty and we'll do the hit at six thirty five for whatever it is but I will be there at six ten. He goes okay. I'll tell him that so at six. Oh nine I go walking walking out of my door next to my garage. SORTA downstairs door and as I'm walking down the driveway toward the CNN. Van I hear I'm like Oh He's pounding on the front door now. Everyone's up there doing calisthenics. Oh no wait a minute. Everyone's asleep so there was a Peleton's looking John Window so this guy's like on the front door I'm down the thing and now I'm having to go without trying to wake people up. It's six. Oh five other going. Hey Hey turn around and he turns around like okay like he's walking down now. My first interaction with the poor guy has to be. I said I was coming to the van at six ten. It is sixteen. I met the van. You do not have to pound on my front door. I have kids. Everyone's asleep this is why meeting with the van. And he's like I know I know they made me. They made me because what they what. Production always does where where is he. Where is he well? It's not six ten yet. That's where he is but they get nervous and they'll go get it. You know the problem is you're an outlier in a very flaky. Achey grew up in the visuals and there is a long long long long history of people being ten minutes an hour. Whatever late and you got US PAT on that door to orbit there door Hatrick? Twenty eight from Denver says mom was the seventeen year old than the winger which she's just she's only Lisa is that of anywhere. Down is not Benny Sixty. I think. Patrick Yeah Hello First Time Long Time pleasure to chat with y'all your mom was the seventeen year old depicted in the winger video. Not In the video. She it's always family lawyer that back in the day when she was a delinquent around streets and Denver She hung out with KIP. Winger and those guys'll and shortly then after They went off to New York and wrote that Song. And all that fun stuff and We've always given her ship but that's a she's seventeen year old. They're thinking about not wanting to Kutch she's gone. Sarin that milk carton. Okay well. Let's do the math. That song was a hit and what year album on eighty eight eighty eight. This would have been presumably a year before that or some period of time before eighties towel. This is your mom now see So I'm adopted so it's a whole long long thing but she was twenty one. She had me. I'm twenty now so she's about turned fifty. I guess a so. She's about to turn fifty so so somebody do the math on the eighty eight eight hundred thirty years ago now ninety years ago thirty one years ago and she's about to turn fifty so that would have made her eighteen. I guess ourselves that song came out so you know they were hanging out before they went to New York. And kinda hit big but let me ask you this. You're you're adopted so do you. Are you in contact with your mom. Yeah I met them at the biological family When I was about I think it was about nineteen? I finally actually met them. My biological sister contact me when I was seventeen though and I just went to college. Is your biological article sister attractive and is your mom attractive. That's always subjective but I show girls. So she's he's a bad guy. You know what you want so lot. This must affect your daily life and immeasurable waste ice right. I'll be in Walmart or some random place and you'll hear that winger song come on and shuttle them out with my mom and video and Good a good laugh about it. Didn't sound said Walmart you know you'll hear it at random places not walmart or you know like Walmart or target or art listened to back on. I got him the. Here's pretty unsavory from side. Well there's always some Muzak the nicer restaurants flute it you know the thing that's weird is in the in the annals of like sorta mom mom in the actual video as the seventeen year old. Great mom abused minor. Bad you know this this could have gone away. Oh No yeah no could've but Yeah no that's Her having a song written about her being a sex object is definitely Louise's traumatizing things childhood. So Oh it's You know I think that was a win do you. Are you okay with the stepparents and adoption and everything now. Oh Yeah No. It's one of the things I kinda. I grew up knowing that was adopted. So I kind of I it's always been kind of the norm and always had parents that loved me and then got meet some other people who You know we're definitely yeah. It's been good to share my life with that. That's for sure all right good. What what business area now? Long Story Short currently unemployed I. I was working and living down in the Caribbean and then the hurricane kind of rolled through two years ago and mash it up and now I've been kind of back here and save kind of getting. It all resorted out. I'm going to tell my son I got a couple of thoughts for him You know my thing is like I don't want to pay for college but I do want the credibility that goes in college so I'm just gonNa tell them drew's college the Lord Chefs Amherst. I'm just gonNA tell them to go to Amer say I went to Amherst are sick memorized. Lord Jasmine Rice the name of one of the buildings till two of the housing. y'All and then you're covered now he's got anymore amherst questions for you and your bus. Did your busted like you work. If you run into someone a cocktail party who worked at Amherst or something. Then there's GonNa be an issue and you're going to be a rare instance one hundred more people who are out of job department like I was working in the Caribbean and the typhoon belittled thorough. I gotta go well. You're just a lazy. That's all which type food. Yeah like you just go in the Caribbean typhoon. Blue there and and I'll go away. Was that you just bought six months of unemployment in my mind you start going out of the car. Wash on shifted stink. Now we data different relationship. And I'm sure that's what did happen. I will judge you much differently for the Caribbean thing with the with the storm blowing through smart all right let me hit this fifty fifty three thousand dollars a year to go to amherst. That's just the tuition schools strategise. The Look I don't WANNA sound like Mr Grandpa here but all the talk student loans and how they're gonNA pay this back. We gotta make loans free free. We're going to pay back. I don't know. Could we bring the price down a little for college. Acceptable investments. Like you're going for that. Whatever that position is wherever that job career or whatever like you know what the costs are? The cost to hydrate is Denison. I agree but I mean with the politicians non stop. Yes sagging on the Bangkok Games alone. Won't bring down a little bit. Like they have huge endowments. It can't massive physically cost that much to have the the kids in school. Look why don't we turn it into a little less of a business and I'll I'll just basically say the same thing to the politicians like your whole thing is like with with the pharmaceutical companies. Like these people are trying to make a huge profit off people. This is like this people's future and they're making all this yeah it is and that's what they're doing but so it was college in the future and they're trying to make a big profit so why don't we just take take the same thing and apply it. They're they're not being taken advantage of like Bayton switch like you didn't nosing causes much of now you know we all know what the price tag is. Chris look that up. Just bring it bring it down. That's all. I feel like it's doable. How can it thank several hundred? I mean you get out of there. I mean that's not with room and board books and everything so you're into three hundred and fifty grand by the time I'm the kid gets out for you. Jesus Christ I if my kid did that was done in the Corolla family rows. Now I'm a Chicano studies made the minor in ceramics. I'd be like no fucking way cut out of that school. Doing three hundred and fifty K.. So so you can work it out various street. 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I seem to be a part of each and every one of them. It's amazing well. I wanted to so my my thing was like I wanted to take psychological dive into that. And how how that works. Because I've been thinking. King approach everything from a psychological perspective and then it turns into a comedic perspective. But I it's psychology and I want to get into this hatred which is different than a disagreement. Everyone disagrees with everyone all the time. How does it spill into a low thing? Do you have other than the disagreement part. Do you have any thoughts about that from a psycho dynamic standpoint. I haven't other than then you know it just seems to be sort of a herd mentality right You know you see it every day. I mean the example. I used that most defines just the crazy that we are living today was last week when they killed al-Baghdadi right. I mean this is the founder and leader of Isis Adam. This is a guy that has doused journalists in gasoline lean and lit them on fire someone who is thrown homosexuals off building raped women Killed people all over the place and you know. My father has a speech with Pompeo. I didn't even know this at the time but I was a speech with Pompeo last week. And he said you know when I was C. I.. A. Director the first thing Donald Trump said. I WANNA take off the head of the snake. That's the guy I want to go. After and so donald trump gets and in the Washington Post where democracy apparently dies in darkness. The title of his obituary is austere religious scholar. Run I'm just like I don't know what to talk about. When when you talk about the psychology but if that hasn't made someone lose their mind that we can't all we can't even agree that the founder and leader of Isis the murdering piece of shit that he is isn't like we're better off that that they have to try to make him out to be you know well here's a maybe he's a little bit misunderstood? That's the craziness that we're living in this day right and I was looking at it and I was exploring the other day and and I sit here next to Dr drew and I sit here next to guys like Mark Garriga's and I realize they disagree with some or half of Your Dad's policies let saying maybe a corner and what's Your Dad's policies are but they're not triggered correct. They're not angered correct. They don't have a visceral. He's a monster he's gotta be stopped. It's something that's triggered and other people like a guy like bill. Omar said he's very thin skinned guy. Mark Garriga's probably politically aligns with bill. Maher but he's not thin skinned correct. Ah I mean you've seen that the the outrage cycle I can't I used to think it was for effect but it's not anymore I mean like trump derangement syndrome Israel. I always joke the only curious four four more years because we really have to reset this conversation because if that can be the response you you you see these guys. They can't even acknowledge that like. Hey maybe I may not agree with the policies not always like the Messenger but the results speak for themselves. I mean are they really upset with all time. Low Unemployment for African Americans. I mean and Bill Maher. I saw the clip was two three weeks ago. What it'd be worth it for America? If the economy imploded if people lost their jobs lost their homes because they couldn't afford to pay their mortgages just to get rid of trump. I'm like so you would really. You're okay just you know. Let's make unemployment numbers rise as opposed to lower. Let's make people lose their job. Lose their homes lose their families just because you don't like trump like it seems outrageous and that more outrageous that people are like yeah. I'm kind of with them on that one rather than like come on man like we're Americans can't we do. What's right for the country and well you know it goes? I don't know if you run into this a lot. But it's like I am I toggle between Hollywood and Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager. No one else is willing to even play that game so I commend you for actually being willing to do that and so few in your position are willing to even take a right wing stance. Because they know they're gonNA get canceled while the thing that's it's interesting. It's first thing I've not changed any my thoughts in the last twenty five years. I've always talked about family of always talked about education. I like like competition. I want school choice or your race vouchers. I know I am. You're you're all right. That's all I've ever said I'm a guy I'm I'm a dumb guy from the San Fernando Valley who never went to college. I work construction my whole life. I never had anything and I've always had these thoughts now. I saw. What successful people did I want to North Hollywood high where he had my loser buddies with the black kids that were bussed in from the inner city city? We have the Hispanics from the deeper valley. And then there's a handful of Jewish kids who lived up in the hills. Their families weren't tact. They made their kids do the homework they ended up going off to Ucla Stanford and we went to a construction site and dug ditches. And I figured out early that was going to be the key families intact attacked focused on education. And you may do whatever you want in this country and honestly there's almost an attack on family structure these days. Yes I mean it's you you say this and I'm like I'm having this conversation with you and it's like if I was in another any other place in time like really having this conversation could that really and it actually is because because you promote family structure well you're being discriminated against those who may not have the benefit of that unlike that is such an Asinine SORTA SORTA ours viewpoint and to be attacked for it. Well it's crazy her stuff. That's that is being racist coming. Well groups CBS can't have families and educations or shouldn't do the right thing. Football is racist today. It's there's the problem with the whole racist thing from the left is sort of stayed in the book which is racism has become the easy button of the left. If I can't win an argument with fact if I'm not doing so well if if the facts that doesn't work out to my benefit racist right and so the problem is this. It's a real issue in this country. It's just not the only only issue. It's not the cause of all of our problems. It's a much smaller thing I don't want to say it's very small because then someone will cancel me for. You're not acknowledging it even though I'm literally saying it's a real problem in this country but it's not the answer to everything and the problem. We do by calling racism on every issue so that we're not in agreement with you do a disservice to those who are actually afflicted because now when I hear it I sit there I roll my eyes I move on and the people who are actually actually hurt which it again. It's a much smaller amount than to believe or they would they would. Have you believe those people are left in the wake of that and it said I have this statement. which is there's never been a better time to be an actual racist? I get full coverage. This is great. Lump thin with Dennis. Prager Ben Shapiro you and me an adventure boroughs incredibly prager. I mean you know all right Neo Nazi Ju I mean it's interesting interesting. It's a it's an interesting. Take some psychology that has to go into that. But I don't quite understand they do the same thing to my father. He's obviously a Nazi with a you. Don't Jewish daughter that works in his administration and son-in-law's man. Thanksgiving's really sucked. My conversation is going to be brutal. I once folks get on a sort sort of verbal at Haman role. That's hard to slow the role and what I say to people. There's a simple thing I've been saying to people a lot and I don't know this comes up in your world. I'm sure where people go like. Listen I don't agree with the thing. Ben Shapiro has to say. I don't agree with the thing. Jordan Peterson has to say. I don't agree with the thing. Dennis prager say but I do agree that they should have the right to say correct and most people go okay but I always stop people go. Oh no you agree about eighty percent of what Ben Shapiro Say Ben Shapiro. You're not willing to say backs. They talk about family. They talk about Communities talk about working hard. He talks about spirituality. I mean all. He talks about so many things that you would have to agree and by the way I know you agree because you live that kind of life as well so this thing of going like. I don't agree the thing. Dennis prager says why even jump off their. Why not say we disagree about some things? I talked about it extensively in the book which is sort of that notion of people have sort of been badgered into like. I can't admit that publicly. I mean we did it. The interesting take I talk about was when we did in our polling like large sample sizes back sixteen. We do online. And we do telephone polling and you'll statistics would dictate your within basis points of each other right. Not even percentage points and when we did our online polling we did fifteen percent better than we did by telephone so right people were by themselves at the computer that can do a little look around like okay. No one's watching trump okay when they were on the phone. They weren't sure where the person was coming from. They didn't want to be called racist for wanting to implement policies that they felt would better their lives or their families or their children's or their American American dream but on the phone. You get answers like Jill Stein over performed incredibly. It was like well. Yeah I'm reading just so we were like what do we do. But how do we reconcile console that that craziness and so we started asking those same people to kind of get to. You're looking at it from a psychological standpoint we said okay. You're writing and Jill Stein. WHO's your neighbor voting for? Oh that guy's for trump. I mean they wanted to say it they just want it. They just didn't want to take all the heat associated with it and get asked where we are. Today it's IT'S A. It's a very human characteristic that most everyone possesses a couple of things first off in the book you talked about being on construction sites as young person. I have said this to anyone who listened in the last five years I go look you have to build something. You have to have the experience of building something to to be pragmatic. You can't just live in this world. If ideas are I know in my heart I I feel this way of us. It is when you build you. Get a kind of a grounding and each just in your veins and you can't make me feel something or believe in something or say something because I have so much building background. My thing is just cow and lateral load and Hold downs and all thread and shear loads and grade beams and how number four rebar is a number five rebar and that's all all my world is so you can give me an idea but if it doesn't make sense it's not it's not going to work and I feel like when I listened to the book the Audio Book triggered. I got this feeling that you and your dad. And sort of the whole trump building side of the family. Family got a grounding in building and the crazy pragmatism that take one hundred percent. I mean I think there's sort of two parts of that right first of all My father was a better builder than other developers. Because he didn't just isolate himself in like a glass tower. Somewhere listen guys that are looking at a spreadsheet and telling you how to build him he actually got down down on the ground with the construction workers. Every day. Like he'd ask them question he'd be a job site at six. AM and hey. How do you think we could do better? What do you think about this they say? Hey this contractors it's kind of screwing you a little bit over here if you did this. You could bypass this amount of duct work. You have more efficiency save some money. So he got real-life expert that allowed him to be better it also translated later on politics. We're like well. How does this brash? Billionaire from New York how is he able to talk to regular people as well. He spent forty years talking to regular people for us for me for my brother. You know we grew. I was younger son of a billionaire. They can drive because they've actually done. I've run chainsaws change out my own borrow on the weekends when I'm doing like we did that and he wanted to make sure. Hey if you're going to be a builder to you better damn well know how to do it. And not just in theory like you're starting at the lowest rung. You're GONNA dig a ditch because if someone else is going to dig a ditch and they're going to charge you for it. You better know how long it takes to dig a damn ditch. And so he made us do those jobs. My first job I was away from home at like. Fifteen is a doc attendant you know in Atlantic City. I lived away from home at summer. A fifteen year old to like hook up electrical systems water systems. I then went into landscaping and running. Running machinery. Running chain sells like he made sure we worked and some of the executives even in his company were guys that didn't have you J. D.. Mba Is there were guys that work their ass off on a construction site want. There's a street smart. And there's something like Fred you got through that without the acronyms behind your name. And he'd give them a chance and give them a little bit more in a little bit more and they continued to excel and exceed. And that's why you had so much of the loyalty with our company because those are guys that know they'd never be where they are today and accompany. It was a typical executive. That just say well. I'm hiring based on X. Y. Z.. Credential and that's all we can possibly do you know he gave those guys a chance of a lifetime and they'll run the wall. We have By the way show listening in the Book and Donald Trump Junior said I can tell the sound I can tell you the difference between in a sauce on a circular saw simply by sound and I thought to myself I think I could too and then I thought to myself I have those two items correct so I told my guys hook them up in the back put a mic there and we will try this. I'll I'll I'll tease it. A little I've so many he thought so. When I knew you were coming in I you know I had? I had a a dinner with a very good friend of mine. WHO's very Hollywood very Santa? Monica very progressive. You now but he respects me and he respects my take on things and I gave an answer to this question and you tell me what it feels like to you. He you know he was saying what's your take on Donald Trump. You know him a little bit. You've been around him. What's your take because I I know everyone Hollywood just thinks he's mad man and I said so you know I think he's a he has a big ego and I think he treats this country like it's his business and he wants the business to succeed succeed? That's what he's doing and I don't. I don't think there's anything nefarious and I think you can also disagree with some moves like you would disagree with somebody making a business decision one hundred percent. I think it's a guy with a huge ego. Who wants his legacy to be? When I was running this this company known as the United States? It did well did well. Is that a fair thing. I think it's actually very fair. I mean you you can see that I mean one of the examples I like to use. It was like you know they're building the new Air Force Force One. There's two planes sort of matching. And he calls Boeing. He goes listen. I got a big Boeing himself right. He's like I know what these planes cost. Like how to seven forty sevens cost four billion dollars. There's right and they're like well you know there's a lot of extra communicate I get that he's like still seems Kinda high. Do it for less okay. We'll do it for three and he's sitting there like like well. How come no one you can do it for three years ago? We wouldn't have good relationships with the government. We do a lot with them like yeah we can do for three and he goes well. Why didn't you do it before it goes well? No one ever bothered to ask. No one even bothered to ask in the years prior a to all of this you know they're used to just giving you've seen the proverbial four hundred dollar caller hammer right well because no one gives a crap. No one's in government so few of ever actually run businesses so few have ever had people's livelihood their families wellbeing depending on their success every day. That's what he had for decades the weight of the world thousands of people dependent on him winning every day that was what was going to feed their families. And so you I will say it's so nice to have. A politician actually signed the front of a paycheck for a change. Rather than just the back and I think that resonates in that mentality of like well. It was a two minute. The phone call. I saved a billion dollars. It's like who's building the aircraft carrier. How many billions can we shave that one? And he's he's just going to pick up the phone and do it and those are the sort of the unsown things that he's literally early doing and I think it's a big part of why so many even the establishment pushback because well we've never questioned those guys because we want to get on the board of Xyz company when we retire here because we gave them a cushy dealing sort of oh it to us later on. And that's the sickness of the swamp We have the tools ready. Let's do it. We also I. I was interested in your background as interested hearing about the book and your grandparents and Czechoslovakia and getting taste of communist firsthand early and often and I was it was funny I was listening and I was walking my dog and I was thinking about your life growing up in my life growing up and they really couldn't have been further apart. It couldn't have been further apart but we did arrive at the same destination. which is I don't like Communism? I don't like any version of it. I don't like freebies. He's like freebies. Not because I don't like people I believe it makes them weak. And you hurt the group you're giving the handouts and you always disqualify five by saying of course when people are stricken with horrible diseases and everything they need wheelchair ramps certain percentage of people. I get it but this sort. If the same conversation you have with of course or some real racist. It's a green new deal and we're going to pay for those not willing to work with not willing or not able because there are. There is a distinction that you're drawing. It's all you have. And I grew up with a little slice of communism in North Hollywood California because I live in a broken down house. That was my it was my grandparents. Rental property was a one bedroom one bath pollen junk bulldozed it since but it was a free house. I got a free house. My mom got welfare and food stamps. I got free lunches at school and I understand just how debilitating numbers never status. My mom couldn't get out of her own way. She was just stymied by. She wasn't compelled to clean herself up and just watch her. Just spiral like she'd literally. We just put on weight and sat in a room and waited for that next government block of cheese to show up and I realized it hurts people. You didn't know quite you didn't help you thought you're helping my mom. You're not helping my mom. You're hurting my mom. And you want to check US Avakian. Boy Tell US interesting again. I have to in twenty nine hundred especially I have to disclaim. I'm everything being like. Yes I recognize that I'm the son of a billionaire from New York City so but I have a mother that escaped communist check slog. She was a good athlete. She was able to do that. She was able to come here. Legally Leanna it's not the distinction. Most people won't make but you know. My grandfather was a blue collar electrician from what was then communist Czechoslovakia at. I remember as a kid seeing my parents. Parents wedding photos like okay. So there's grandfather. There's my mom. Where's my grandmother and they wouldn't let her out of the country because they if they both left the country they're never coming back they would defect factory and so I was like? What kind of system does this end? I spoke to it at length with my grandfather. Who again blue-collar electrician similar background? Perhaps to yourself right it and from that part of the world and he recognized incredible blessings that we have in this country the freedoms all of those things. And he's like listen. He spent the conversation with my father's like he's he's got to the other side and so from the age of five. I mean they were involved in my life. I spoke the language fluently from the age of five. They brought me over there. And my first memory of fear and now have many memories from like five six years old and I don't think any less. Do you know but was going over there and it's not early eighties. She knows pretty wearing Jean Jacket with the Stars and Stripes on it and I remember getting pulled out of line By a guy in a drab you'll communist era type military thing with a AKA over Eddie starting to question me like they're essentially trying to promote American capitalism. Because and I was five I woke five year olds. You read about today on twitter. Well my two and a half year old question me about nuclear proliferation. The Korean peninsula until I remember that and it just struck me so much. Then I go and you know. It wasn't helicopter grand parenting. You're going to the store. I've waited in those bred lines. I've been empty supermarkets waiting for bread. I can promise you. It's not nearly as glamorous as Bernie Sanders would make it out to be and so I I've I've lived it from such different perspectives but I saw that every summer until the fall of the wall and I saw what that system did too great loving what would have been hard working people but when there was literally no incentive to do anything more basically people did the minimum because there was no there was no upside and it destroyed droid people and it destroyed a work ethic and it was terrible and to this day. Sort of interesting my grandmother's alive. She's still ninety three years old and she lives over there and she only get sort of CNN right because they don't have an alternate programming type of deal there and so she'll call me in tears now. This is not some some weak little nothing. She's older frail lady now but you know. She hid from the Nazis in the basement of her farmhouse. For two years. You know During World War yeah to as a you know late teens early twenty s You know she lived through forty years of communism. She's they're calling me like every couple of weeks in you don't you can't let this become come. A thing in the United States always sounds so good it always. It's always free. Everything's always great. It's not I mean this is a woman who's been through a lot in tears calling me me. Her grandson for fear of my future for my children's future. She what her daughter lived that American dream she knows how bad it can be on the other side and I mean this is driving ninety career woman to tears and I always say like these people were. It's no longer a fringe element of the left at pushing. This sort of socialist communist nonsense like these are mainstream leading candidates and I say simple question man. We've seen the debates and you'll get a Democrat at this point you know I shouldn't even say Democrat because the couple's still reasonable ones left although they'd been putting a corner you get a leftist to say just about anything right I say. Why don't they have someone who's actually lived under these regimes? Under these systems like one I mean you have all of Eastern Europe. The former former Soviet Union China closer to home you have Cuba and Venezuela that probably a hundred million people. How come there's not one person from there that lived under it? That's willing willing to come here and say no no. We've got to bring that shit here. This is awesome. Well it doesn't exist. It's scary man. I've a couple thoughts. One is listening and capitalism. And we're both big fans of that and how it sort of. I don't think people understand how important working is to human beings especially if you live in the United States and how just robs you of your dignity and your person. You've lose a lot of your personality. I I started. I started thinking about socialism and communism and authoritative dictators. And things like that. I I said if someone the other day that that are market. Capitalism capital is isn't a system. It's what happens when you leave. People allow correct so these other places are a system that's imposed if you just took one hundred people and put them on an island. Capitalism which spring up correct somebody would just go out and get abalone from the C.. Do a little bit more and eat a little bit more. Another guy would weave a basket and at some point you trade that guy first basket and you'd give abalone like an and then we'd have coconuts and we we use them as currency like some. It's just what is so to to me when you're fighting capitalism you're fighting what is and that's why it can never naturally work out. That's why there is no version of it working out. I think one hundred percent I mean and if you look at the alternative you can point to an example where it's succeeded. I mean I've seen a kill. Hundreds hundreds of millions of people have seen the decimate economy. And the notion that you know. Hey It's failed one hundred times over and over it's killed one hundred million plus people but you know what it's going to work this time like a slippery slope that my grandmother is so worried about Adam. That's the thing that I it always sounds so good on paper. It always sounds good paper. And it's you know dominating academia and all of these things but again where's that person who's actually lived at. Where's that person who's actually experienced it? They don't exist. Well what I always say. I sorta described it this way because I'm a car guy You gotta Jay Leno's garage. And he has Chrysler made a turbine car in the early sixties experimental car and it makes a cool sound. It'll run off Chanel number five or kerosene or anything and it's really cool but it seems like the future but it doesn't work correct. It just doesn't work now. The old internal combustion engine that Henry Ford put witnessed first car. That's what works best and when I hear guys like Bernie Sanders talking. I hear him go. Well we're not GONNA do a turbine car. That doesn't doesn't work we're just GONNA do sort of turbine car and I'm like no. This one works in that one doesn't work in a your version of the one that doesn't work is still not going to work. I think one hundred percent right. And that's what it is but the real problem is because I feel like mainstream media pop culture. Everyone's made this cognizant decision to sort of be the marketing wing of the left. It's really hard because you don't have anyone holding them to account. I mean you saw green new deal. It's so wonderful right ninety three trillion dollars that's fifteen times with the. US government brings in a year in revenue. So if you don't do anything else not erode not a school not at a plane. For the military you may be paid to stop cows from farting and eliminate air travel over fifteen years. And all of the you'll leading candidates in the president or they sign up for it which more scary is the sort of conned into signing onto a plan put out by a freshman congresswoman who two weeks prior didn't know the three branches of government but they're all sort of signing on Mitch. McConnell actually did something goes okay. Let's vote on it. Oh well that's political theory. I was like no no you guys all signed onto this thing. We're going to let you vote on your bill. Isn't that the nature of it and and him letting them vote on their bill is political theater. But grandstanding about how wonderful this isn't it's going to magically pay for itself isn't and that's the problem there is no one there holding people to account I think trump is that guy. I think my father's that guy and that's what drives them crazy. All man like we can't get away with this shit anymore because someone's is going to be there. It's hard to believe because he'll get on twitter and he'll send some fire stuff off but like he's actually adult in the room as it comes to sort of fiscal responsibility with these sort of things and they are not but there's no one calling them out they're just like you know what it sounds good. We want these guys to win. We're GONNA pretend that Elizabeth Warren can come up with a fifty a two trillion dollar plan over ten years that's five trillion a year about ninety percent of US government revenue to eliminate private insurance. That most people. We're very happy with asinine. I want to make a distinction. Dennis prager does it all the time between laughed in Liberal. I think of myself as liberal but I don't think of myself as left and I think prager feels that way and I think you feel that way I do too as well. You're live and let live I'll hundred percents Alvi Alvi. And that means they did you Dave Rubin earlier Devon talking over eight years is a guy like I totally. I'm live and let live to a point. I mean where I use the example I using the book is the Trans Movement today. I think I could care less man. Identify how you want. I'm happy people or productive. People they they will get stuff done. I think that's wonderful. Do what you want. It's when I started seeing guys at twenty five weightlifters this you know what I'm going to be a woman now and I'm going to compete compete against the women and I'm going to break every single world record in a matter of seconds You know I see it with the bike riding world record and it's like yes we're in the thing where we're a feminist where the feminist title Nope but that's my point example using the book. You may not have gotten there yet is Martinez I got there she was. She's a Lesean she's been an LGBT activists for forty years which is about thirty five years before it was cool right. She did this thing. She led the movement. She led the charge. She came out as one of the most most accomplished female athletes in history and was like. Yeah this is ridiculous and like her people destroyed her rush. She was cancelled forty years who've move. LGBT activism meant nothing. She had to walk it back within days. Her career was over so three weeks later. She has to come out hitting trump now. No one talks talks about like we knew her growing up like she had a similar story too my mother they're both check. They're both athletes. They both escape that they don't talk about that. She hits trump. Because that's the penance that you have to pay to try to be welcome back into woke society and that's the thing there is no you can never be woke enough today at them they give you a woke now in fifteen eighteen minutes. Like you're you're right and well you can't keep up with it. I always tell people. It's call the progressive movement. It's got progress in movement in the in the title. It never stops. It just keeps move correct. But it gets to a point where it's Asinine. It gets to appoint like I again. I live and let live as you want but you start taking away a scholarship authorship from a young woman who worked her Azoff for her whole life to be the best in the in in her state in the country in the world. And you know she's being beaten by three returns runners who were men the year before. And they're taking her scholarship. They're taking her ranking whatever. It may be essay. Where where is this? The example I liked was that M may fighter. Yeah Something Fox she kranj. Someone skull fractured the orbital bone of female opponent in the first round of a fight like well. Yeah because she was a few weeks before you know what I mean like that. We cannot even addressed that there are biological difference whether that'd be bone structure muscle muscle density lung capacity Lick Camman. This was basic science. You know about three weeks ago today. It's like no no no. They were all wrong on this one. It's not I WanNa talk when we got the tool to do I. I want to talk about a listening to the book. There's a couple of things I got right and things. I don't think people know about you. I don't think they know how much time you spend outdoors. I don't think they know how how you took a gap year and move to Colorado and worked as a bartender and just went out hunting and fishing also out twenty eight days in a row. I believe Just you jeep and like a rifle. No that's actually a bow but yeah so going out just alone. Twenty eight days is yeah or sometimes with friends but even even before that I that was my gap year I mean I moved out to Colorado worked in a bar so I could have my days to fish and hunt note during the seasons and just make sure that I knew what I was getting into joining the company or. I didn't want to have that regret some Saturday night at two o'clock in the morning when you're trying to close a deal be like man. I wish I did something else so it was awesome but it also made me realize that I was hungry for more than just that. So I am really passionate outdoorsman. I spent all my weekends. I'm not like sort of on that New York City like rubber chicken can dinner charity circuit. Like I'm actually much more at home with sort of just blue collar guys. When we got into politics I'd go to Iowa? You'd see all these politicians than they're showing up with their token friend in from Iowa that they met five minutes before. I'm there with my buddy in the state police who I mentioned in the book as I've been sleeping on his couch during deer season for the life years. But like you guys do you. You know I've always had probably more of that affinity towards you know blue collar America again. It's where I spend my time at again full disclaimer. I get it. I'M THE SON OF A billionaire from New York but like that sort of my happy place. I've been dating kimberly for a while. She was like I have spent more time with guys that are hunting. We don't even know any of your friends. It's just ideal with enough heat on a daily daily basis. Like that's my happy place. That's where I go to get away from it and so you know it's where I do spend my time and all my vacation time. You know I don't vacation awesome luxury resort. That often go to some occasionally but like you know my happy place has put a backpack on me. Give me a rival drop me off in the Yukon. And I'll see you in two weeks like the live. Out of a backpacking backpacking tent. I love that aspect of it. You you mentioned in the book you stopped drinking. Yeah but I. You didn't mention you were so burr were quote unquote. I'm pretty I'm sober like I don't I you know I have you know. My father had that in his jeans why he never drank his brother died of alcoholism awesome. I used to party pretty hard that way and I think the one thing I had you know a strong willpower to sort of stop but I I can't do it partway. It's just not my personality. Meaning I can sort of I have a couple of beers with you or whatever and you know be fine but guess what the next time I have it. There's GONNA be a couple more in the next time a couple more in the next time and it just gets me to a bad I play in so I'm sort of an all or nothing personality for it so I just have to stop where as I was listening to the Audio Book and talking about hitting the campaign trail and there's many stories about sort of being up for forty hours straighten going from one event to the next and your dad's famously. Has that ability ability to stave off sleep and exhaustion and everything else that everyone seems to experience is that somehow in the genes. I mean I don't know. Most people hit a wall after being up for twenty hour straight or working ants amount and. I have a strong capacity to do that. I don't I don't think I have the trump jeans I do. Think there's an element of it. I mean I follow my father around my whole I mean you WanNa wear yourself. Follow him around a construction site. Oh you'll be there at five. Am You're still going at seven o'clock at night. You can't even imagine you've covered it all fifty times. But he's still he's always had that I mean I used to get the call Paul sort of it. You know early twenties starting to work like. Hey why aren't you in the office on my loads five in the morning on a Saturday like it'd be smart asset. Hey why are you in the office. Daddy's like I am. I'm standing in your office right now and you're not here. I'm like Shit. He's always had that. I think I have. I definitely got some of that capacity. I just sort of even in in the book I talk about later. I lost twenty five pounds because I could do a fundraising call or another speech or call into a radio show or could have lunch which I don't have unlimited time so I can do one or the other so I lose twenty five pounds. You know it was interesting as we're on the book tour because you've done this. I'm sure it can be pretty brutal. We're doing that in my publisher whose center street like. There's a big publisher. We've we've never seen someone work that hard on a book tour and it's just sort of well if I have a job to do like what I'm doing I'll worry about sleep later. I'll take care of that when I'm dead now. I think there is. My father has sort of genetic capacity to keep that pace on four hours of sleep. Sort of what is to will in and I have a a couple of questions one is. I'm an atheist but I just feel like I wanna make hay while the sun shining. Like if I'M GONNA get my car and drive across town own. I tell my sister lineups interviews. I'll Dan from the car because otherwise it's a waste of time correct and I don't think it's makes me super-motivated or super for hard driven. It's just I. I'd like to be more effective with my time. Management is that a feeling he. He doesn't waste time. I mean listen. And he's still enjoys life. I mean you you have. No one knows more about sports than my father. He sees that I mean he'll remember guys stats from years before he's got the memory side of that as well but yet there's always is something accretive for him. There's never you know he doesn't lounge. He doesn't vacation when when we were back in the day if he played golf he played at his courses verses. Because he's like well we're GONNA move that tree over there. We can make this whole better by moving to green here and if we take the SANTRAC so he's always sort of tinkering that's his thing. So whatever he's doing his work his vocation that's his passionate. He's not one of these guys that shows up. The work is Shit I can't wait till five o'clock so I can get out of here and do the next thing I mean. It's his work is his hobby and when you combine those things he just wants to do twenty four seven and that's what he does. What is his schedule? If in fact he has a scheduled time does he go to bed. And what time does he wake up. He's generally if he sleeps oftentimes early but then he wakes up insanely insanely early. So I mean I would say it's. It's literally not an exaggeration to say price leaves four to five hours at night. So when you go to bed is one thing. But we'd see that during the campaign I mean it was like you you get the call at like three thirty up your dad just tweet. Let's get you on radio. You gotta go gotta go talk about it. And so he doesn't. He's never needed it. He's just had you know. Sort sort of a a weather blessing curse who knows but he's always goes and you know doesn't has never needed that much sleep. It's not one of those guys that brags eggs about like. Oh it's so great. He's just never has like I mean he'll go to sleep. He's not setting an alarm clock he just wakes up once he's up he just goes like it's not like okay. I'M GONNA obligatorily set an alarm clock and I'm GonNa be miserable all day and sleep through on the campaign. It was incredible like I saw him. Go and like listen when you're on a campaign and you're giving five six speeches day in front of big crowds like you need to put out energy to get it back right. It's not like you know sitting there on a couch watching TV all day. It drains you and I've seen him get out of their finish up a speech at eleven o'clock at night get on his plane. Take red eye to the other coast literally talk with his advisors all day not utilize that four or five hours of flight. Time to take a nap right land and go right into TV and do another day of TV six seven speeches and not having slept at all honestly at the end of the second day you know he may maybe a little grumpier than he was at the end of the first day but like it's not like he's collapsing. It's it's it's it's a little freakish you ready to name that to do it all right now. I don't I don't know which one you know. These are proper or proper like solid electrical not like the battery operated ones. Where you know the sound isn't there because the power is generated? Because I just want to put some disclaimers in here. I think they're both plugged in because it should be obvious. Just from the spin up. You know what I mean the circular versus the sort of reciprocation. It'll be it'll be me obvious to us. I don't know if it's obvious to everybody and I was Gonna I was Gonna mix in maybe an orbital sander or belt sander or or router but I thought let's not muddy said to. He said in the book I can tell the difference between the sauce onto. It's also by the way a brand name it's really separate hating saw and see. I know that read right. I wasn't planning on being questioned. Aura reciprocating saw. That's exactly so even if I blow it now I get a little streak ready. You'RE GONNA get it all right. Don't say right it right this go a and B Dan you write it down and all all right down to. I already know all right and we'll do anyway. I be- sorry. Yeah that well all right. It's easier than I thought I. Would you like to go well. A is obviously the circular in and be is the souls also asked reciprocating. Yes yes all right. I'm saying yes you can tell from the spin up before the the the circular has that spin up while you're getting the relates sort of moving and then it steadies out. The reciprocating is reciprocating. So it always has that reverb. I know I was just walking my dog here in the Audio Book and I thought I wouldn't be doing my job if fight in having those things in play name you're GonNa get canceled because someone could say oh it was easy. You should have come up with some asinine. Jail like the difference between a five horsepower. Horsepower Motor in a four horsepower. Motor well there are that are more difficult and more nuance but those were the two you side in the book. So those are the two I brought well at least they can't say I'm totally foolish. It all right. I think we're getting into a wrap mode here. Let's see so predictions coming up. What do we got for the next election? And what are you thinking. Let's go through. Obviously the nonsense of sort of the impeachment. We saw this the first time around sort of obviously go into the Muller Hoax in the book pretty extensively. I believe just because I think it's safe to say that I was the number two target of that. When you have half of Congress saying they're going to put you try you for treason kind of a big deal? So you'll see some of his nonsense. I think in the end people win economies crushing it despite literally cognizant effort by the media to be like. It's almost too good. Let's Hope Vale you see them trying to come up with any stats. And then the job numbers come out the next day that are like again. They beat expectations by a significant margin. You see them like almost like Gosh. Trump's is gonNA win again like the reality is man. Things are good people are doing better. Jobs are coming back. Despite the hatred the more importantly I think the hatred so overplayed at this point that reasonable people get it The example I using the book is sort of Twenty Twenty when we launched the campaign. In Orlando you know a forty seven thousand people showed up at two to a stadium that holds twenty five right. So I'm sorry. Twenty twenty twenty twenty when you launch when we launched the campaign aim for twenty twenty minutes so back in January. We did that in Florida. And it was an amazing thing. Forty seven thousand people show up in an arena that holds twenty-five stood out there for two days in the rain and thunderstorms. That was worried. We're no one was going to be there left and you get out there. And they're show excited. I introduced the vice president who introduced my father like electric was right after the muller bullshit sort of came out. And it was like Mr Mr Mueller. Have you actually read the Muller reports crickets and I got back. I got done with that. And it was just as warm thing that so many people partaking taking in the political process just excited to be again living that dream that they believed to be substantially better now than before even better than what they had hoped would happen in sixteen because now you actually. They have results to back up. What we're promises and we're used to being promised? A lot of things by politicians delivery is a different story and I got done as awesome. Then I turn on the TV and you see these guys in the mainstream you just did you see those people they were out there in flip. Flops that must be their formal attire. Ha I mean this. This is like mainstream stuff. This is only fringe elements on MSNBC. And there's a level of the disdain for just hardworking Americans yet. That's honestly shocking. It's frankly frigging disgusting. Well and I saw that and it it just makes me so pissed off but they they still don't get those guys see that they still don't get that even even through their filter that's ninety three percent. Negative people are able to look through. That'd be like yeah. This is pretty good like they've overplayed the hand so much that I I think it has less efficacy than it would if they were even a little bit reasonable with and that's the problem people are like okay here. We go again with sort of the now. It's Ukraine the whistle blowers like they outrage cycle. Was Me Outing. The guy like we discussed it was like why didn't out. I'm like it was his names and the title of it and they just no one wants to talk about the guy that he's he's out there with Biden as his guests at a state dinner that he's literally they're buddies with Brennan like guys we've been through the hoax the first time like you want it to be this innocent public servant. But he's not he's a he's a deep stater. He's very well tied with these guys and again. The people were fooled now if they didn't go all collusion where it's obviously there guys like Adam Schiff since we're in his district. I've seen evidence of like. Wow you've seen evidence you didn't show it rob more shockingly. You've seen it and you say it for three ears to the American people then it doesn't exist. There's no accountability. There's no credibility and so like we're just seeing version number two point zero of that. I saw them shift this this morning at. KTLA going pencil. I asked him if he had anything to say to you and he said if he if he did they couldn't print it so to speak like just obscenities. They're giving me the wrap it up so I I shall respect the finger going in a circle. We'll we'll have to do it again and I was. I appreciate it triggered how the left thrives on hate and wants to silence US and yes. Next time I kept promising myself. I was going to get into this long. Deep sort of psycho psycho psychological dive into how the trumps are made up. But we'll be able to touch on it so we'll do it again. Let's do it again. the books great great. I've been enjoying it and I think in summary I will say this. I think a lot of people have an idea of you and they have an idea of everyone. Everyone on the right has an idea of everyone on the left. Has Everyone has an idea of everyone you sit down. You listened to their book or you read their book or you hear their story and you realize oh they're both yeah they had troubles they had trials and tribulations there things they like like cooking That you like to do or camping hiking or whatever and it will ten to build a bridge to bridge that chasm of I hate him. I'm nothing like him. Aid Ground Walks on. When you take a dive into this book you'll you'll realize that Donald trump junior is a lot more human and you may have a lot more in common with him than you think? That's a great endorsement. 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The Standoff

Rubicon: The Impeachment of Donald Trump

31:33 min | 9 months ago

The Standoff

"Wanted to make sure you understood that we have the votes the issue of the appropriateness of calling witnesses. Obviously that is the most contentious part of one of these proceedings and that'll be addressed at that time and not before four the trial again now in terms of impeachment. You'll of keep asking me the same question. I keep giving the same answer. We we need to see that the arena when Donald Trump's impeachment trial begins whenever it begins. The Senate will be divided between Democrats who will demand to hear here from all the I ten witnesses who defied the impeachment inquiry and Republicans who want to acquit trump without letting any new incriminating information. Come to light would. Did you vote to subpoena John. Bolton I wouldn't because I think in my view the our inquiry should be based on the testimony that they took that we. We are acting articles of impeachment. And I believe we should be constrained by the information that those articles based on there are words to describe the process of concealing evidence in order to help others I get away with their crimes complicity conspiracy cover up and while you were enjoying the holidays and the new year a bunch of new information about about the Ukraine scheme came to light which helps explain why Republicans are so scared of a fair trial. An email from a top budget official described quote clear direction from potisk this to freeze aid to Ukraine at an Oval Office meeting in August trump's most senior advisors including former national security adviser John Bolton and secretary of Estate Mike Pompeo pleaded with him to release that aid and he refused. Republicans will go to great lengths to prevent the public from hearing those men testify about what went down in that meeting. There will be no haggling with the house over Senate procedure. We will not suit our thority to try this impeachment. The House Democrats turn is over. The Senate has made its decision. There's just one problem. Every senator will have to take a position up or down on whether they support the cover up or not see unlike when Mitch McConnell stole a Supreme Court seat from President Obama he can't just declare that there will be no witnesses period if Republicans don't want Bolton or others to testify they will have to vote to block them from testifying and they're going to have a very hard time convincing their constituents that they're not participating in a cover up polls show that the overwhelming majority of voters want the Senate to hear from witnesses and obtained documents documents that the administration has refused to turn over only a tiny minority of trump dead enders less than thirty percent want Senate Republicans to complete his cover up for him and after resisting calls to testify to the House. Impeachment Inquiry Bolton himself has announced that he will testify trump's trial if the senate subpoenas him so complete the cover up Republicans will have to find fifty one votes to say. The public doesn't get to know will shut down the fact-finding bar witnesses says who said that they will appear of summoned that means some of the many vulnerable Republican senators who face voters this year. We'll have to participate in the cover up or it will fail. Is there anything they can do to hide from this vote. Well trump could start a war. This is an NBC News. Special official report breaking news in a major esscalation intentions between the US and Iran. The top ironic in general has been killed in an airstrike while leaving the Baghdad. Airport the Pentagon confirming that Iran has launched a series of ballistic missiles targeting American forces in Iraq Iran has confirmed that it has launched. What is conventional strike firing? It says More than a dozen ballistic missiles from inside Iranian territory. But short of that the best they can do do is exploited the arcane rules of congressional procedures best. They can in fact all questions about how the trial will appear to. The public will be settled by how the key players exploit the rules under Senate rules. The trial can't start until the house sends over the articles of impeachment. So House Speaker. Nancy Pelosi has withheld the articles and and essentially said she would send them over only once Republicans announced whether they would rig the trial or not. Mitch McConnell wants to quash witness testimony. But he doesn't one is members seen engaged in a cover-up. So what can you do. Can Democrats Stop Him. Can Supreme Court justice. John Roberts. Stop Him Yes. He has a role to play to and to walk us through. All the Arcane rules and requirements senators will have to navigate as they jockey for witnesses or no witnesses documents. Sure no documents a fair trial or cover up. I visited Sarah Bender. She's a political science professor at George Washington University a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a leading authority already on legislative politics. Sarah Bender welcome to Rubicon Great. Thanks for having me. So let's start with Nancy Pelosi in her decision to withhold the articles of impeachment. Because I think you can see that action has central congressional rules have now become an will remain to the impeachment story going forward so the House impeaches Donald Trump and she withholds the articles which creates a kind of luminol phase where nothing about impeachment Is happening for the press to cover. Aside died from the question of what kind of trial Republicans going to allow. What what will they use their power to do? And there's some you know no backseat driving of her. When she does but kind of works in this environment that John Bolton comes forward and says he'll testify and that we learn more information about how involved president trump was in the Ukraine scheme But it only works because of the rules specifically the Senate rules. Is that right. Well yes yes I just back up a second. So what does it mean for her to withhold the articles. Though what we're expecting to have happened was that immediately. Upon on impeachment there would be a vote to appoint the house managers. Who are the House members? We're GONNA make the houses case in the Senate and she didn't have have that vote in so when we withhold the articles she sort of stopped the process. There's nothing in the rules that mandate when we're GONNA point the appoint the managers managers in so it's it's not that she's violating the rules or breaking the world. She's she's bending she's taking advantage of them and she's playing hard ball. It reminds me in some ways. As of as a leader there are these moments when the Senate majority leader. The House Speaker can serve as a shield from their members by acting unilaterally. When Mitch Mitch? McConnell said we're just not going to have hearings for Merrick Garland nomination to be Supreme Court justice good allowed various members of his conference to say I oppose is what he's doing but in the end he had the power and he said no and Nancy Pelosi in effect is you because she has the power to basically determine determine what happens in the house Various Democrats cannon and they in fact they are registering their you know frustration. It's time for the the trial to get going. But it's up to her and she can. She can do this as long or a shortage she wants. I suppose right well. Part Party leaders in the House and Senate lose power depends on their rank and file in their party supporting what they're doing right so jumping to say a man just without followers leader without followers as a man taking a walk in the park and banner freely was taking a walk in the park right. So that's why he this. This or the beginnings of the sort of frustrations both in the Senate Democratic Caucus in the House Democratic Caucus just at the margin saying well. Maybe now two three weeks later. It's time it's time to move. But yes Pelosi Salonga she's backed by her caucus in and that's really hurt. Quitted the realm here is her ability to marshal that support doesn't just materialize to to make this point a strategic move to a hold dyke put a stop the process and as you said see what happens. It's funny because I totally understand politically. Why some some Democrats are getting antsy because this seems to have fractured the Republican caucus in the center of the conference in the Senate? There are some who seem to think fine. Hold onto him as long as you want like. We don't need to start a trial and you're not gonNA get anything out of us by doing this but others are clearly pretty alarmed by it. And I'm obviously thinking of trump but Lindsey Graham WHO's a pretty staunch defender of the president said The Senate should actually change the rules in order to be able to begin the trial without actually receiving the articles from the house. so I guess what's that about What would it take for them to change those rules rules? and is that just a reflection of their attitude about this. Well I think tha time is can be on one side and on the other party side and I think you get a little glimpse of what. Republicans were worried about as I as Bolton coming forward and say hello everybody. I'm available subpoena me. And in all show up when he previously Obviously resisted subpoena from from the house. So time is not on republican side. Here I think they'd like to be done with it and it's hard to tell what the pressures are still from the White House but I think the president wants to be exonerated in Granite Hill claim. He's exonerated regardless but he wants that vote on acquittal and I think he'd probably like before the state of the Union next month so there pressures on Republicans to get this done and that is sort of Pelosi's strike of genius which is to say you know articles no trial so I think that's what at least initially seemed to be. Some fracturing of the Republicans but of courses McConnell at least so far sort of seemingly regained a little power here because he said look. I've got fifty one votes to run the trial the way Republicans want to run it but of course he's still doesn't have the articles so it's not just. I mean the dilemma for Pelosi in houses first of all bicameralism right house house. Democrats and Senate Democrats don't have neatly aligned interests all the time and you begin to see Democrats. Now fracturing a little bit in the Senate and McConnell just has to wait for for those fractures just to keep emerging right so. He doesn't have to play hardball at this point he just has to wait for that. Unraveled create pressure on Pelosi. To give in. And if she's got to get in but what are. What are these pressures? I mean if you're if you're a Democrat in the House or Senate and you see that this gambit by Polisi is is kind of driving certain Republicans Republicans bonkers embrace that. I mean I. I saw some saying it screwing with our schedules. which seems like the world's lamest excuse Or Lemus rationale for wanting to to snatch defeat from the jaws victory but nevertheless they are fracturing as you said I would not underestimate senators ability to To latch onto things like scheduling predictability. Look some of them many of them. They're out raising money. They have schedules. And if they're holding some block of time if they know they're going to have to be present generally for trial they want that predictability ability and they rely on their leaders to provide that predictability for them in so for most watching from outside. You might have that reaction which is look plus. He's got the articles wanted to let her drive the strategy here. Individual senators deep down even Democratic senators. Don't really want their lives driven by Nancy Pelosi so there. There's some of that that sort of a political slash political machinations going on I think within the Democratic Caucus in the Senate but also I think you may hear a little more in the house side. Maybe look the whole rationale for keeping impeachment narrowly focused and packaging at the end with Nafta two point. Oh and Spending deals deals and so forth at the end was not to make this the story of the Democratic House and so the longer it drags on. I don't know I could imagine pressures emerging to say. Look let's get back on the issues which we're GONNA campaign in twenty twenty so as you suggested into this staredown walks John Bolton and he says you know. I wouldn't testify to the house impeachment career without a court order but the Senate trials different doesn't really allow a lot of time for litigating in the courts. So the Senate subpoenas me. I'll show up without making a fuss I is there any legitimate basis for picking and choosing which subpoenas to honor. The Way Bolton is trying to do well only to the extent that it's proved difficult for the house to try to decide to go after to enforce it right and they knew that that was gonNA wind up with the courts they weren't gonNA get working to get him so that does give power or leverage to the individual although seems odd to think right that we have such a Important Congress they can't find a way But that's been the story of the last year which is the ability of executive branch to pull in to make make it difficult on the house now seemingly perhaps the Senate run to do impeachment Seattle. I see John Bolton's Entrance into this drama between the House and the Senate and then among Democrats as As sort of a plot twist nobody was expecting in the end the if you imagine John Bull now to the story suddenly you know McConnell employees here at this impasse. He says I got fifty one votes to do the trial the way we WANNA do it. Pelosi has the articles and they can't start the trial until she sends them over her. And if you're a Democrat looking at that impasse It just seems like you've reached the point of diminishing returns for this strategy of withholding the articles else but Bolton at at least presents Democrats An opportunity I think to scramble that those assumptions a little bit. If if you know if he's said if push comes to shove my duty to testify not to honor. Trump's instruction to defy the impeachment. Pelosi can end this impasse by doing something. subpoenaing John Bolton would be that thing. How does that change the story story of the impeachment as as we sit in it will conceptually it makes the this question for the Senate trial of weather? And when Howard whether to call witnesses it removes it from this. Realm of abstraction to there's John Bolton right and he's ready to go and this isn't this longer hypothetical but that at least so so long as McConnell leader has fifty one votes behind him to think he can defer the question of calling witnesses is then even with a live John Bolton Sam I'm here I'm ready. SPINNEY IT undercuts right. The ability of Pelosi try to use that as leverage keeping. Yeah Mine. She's still holding onto the article. And I mean maybe this is a question posed a constitutional lawyer or whatever but having said you know in his statement. I've weighed The competing you know commands on me. And and I if if I have a subpoena from the Senate Command from the White House to defy. I'm going to honor the subpoena having said that if if House Democrats now want to go to court uh-huh and say to a judge. Tell him to testify in the House. I mean they're gonNA have a very strong argument. It it would it. Would it would Extend You you know. Trump's agony about not getting this acquittal. Vote quickly and seems to me like you would maximize the chances that you actually get John. Bolton's testimony because otherwise you're kind of leaving up to fifty one republicans to decide whether anyone else will testify right. Yeah absolutely but I don't get the sense sense that there's a house democratic appetite for re-opening What Nancy Pelosi Democrats soda with impeachment. Last last month I don't like again we're in the well of legally constitutionally politically may be possible but I don't see the appetite on the Democrat side ride for reopening their investigation which in essence is what that would do although certainly in legal terms. I thought the idea that an individual's the the one to decide which is the hell subpoenas. Seems like Topsy Turvy. Bolton is you know say what you will about him and he's a controversial guy but he he's. He's a smart lawyer. Earlier he presumably would have some argument to make that that things are different in the house and the Senate. I don't know I just. I agree with you that the appetite is there air in the house to do more enquiring more of the impeachment inquiry. I just don't totally understand why. Yeah I I think it's a bit of a well. Let's let's put it this way again. Expect Pelosi to prolong it by keeping the articles. But I do think she. She still has a commitment to her her majority makers those Democrats in swing districts with whom without whom she cannot keep majority in twenty twenty twenty. I think there's implicitly if not explicitly a commitment to them to say look. We're GONNA stay focused on the issues that are gonna get you reelected and reopening the impeachment investigation investigation or really the investigation. Generally just it doesn't seem to be on the top of their list of priorities. Now perhaps that changes but I I don't get the sense that that's where they're headed. Okay so eventually the trial will begin. We think and it's shaping up to pit Republicans who want to conceal and seal information has already come out against Democrats who kind of want it all to come out and you know Mitch. McConnell hasn't even really been shy about saying that he's not a partial jury. He he wants to get this in and out of the Senate's quickly possible. He claims he's gathered fifty one votes to begin the trial but put off questions about witnesses and documents for future votes. So what does the resolution of the standoff look like from a procedural point of view Is going to be one vote in the future on whether to shut. Shut down the fact finding purpose of the trial or will be a series of votes how our viewers at home supposed to interpret what they're watching on. TV relative to this question of new information. So here's what we know and what we we don't know so. There is a set of Senate impeachment rules on the books and that McConnell has committed to the following because he can set aside whether or not he could get rid of them. But he's GonNa follow this set of inherited Rules now those are pretty bare bones. Own Own they tell us things about motions and who has rights. Procedure writes in appeals. And the the things the oaths people take but it doesn't have doesn't flush out of trial so meaning being. It doesn't tell us how long the managers have how long the presence lawyers have to defend what are the order in which we take particularly different types of motions. So this is what McConnell has been saying. I have fifty one votes for a set of procedures to elaborate the at least the opening sequence of events in the trial and of course. That's what the Democrats have tried to narrow in on which say let's make this a fair trial Let's hear from witnesses. who were blocked in the house and so forth? So what does McConnell have in mind here for this open resolution well I it would be a resolution that would have to be approved by a majority as he said. I I have fifty one. He has said what's fair is fair. Let's use that opening resolution from the Clinton impeachment trial twenty years ago and let's use it. Roughly he said for this impeachment trial so devils in the details here we can pull up an open. The first resolution that was the supplemental amount of rules for Clinton in one thousand nine and we can know what they said but the question is are they going to follow that to a T.. So a certain number of days and hours for each side to present and then this is what they voted on and nineteen ninety nine. There will be a motion to dismiss and then also on that original agreement emotion. Shall we call witnesses in the abstract. Basically so that's that in essence seems to be what McConnell connel's saying I have fifty one votes for but we don't know for sure but but it matters right. Is there a motion to dismiss locked in right and and will there be any republicans who are willing to vote with the Democrats not to dismiss the trial right which will be within a week or two probably depending on how this plays out. I don't hear a lot of talk about that. But in that's why presumably impart why McConnell has told Speaker Pelosi I'm not showing my resolution apparently the connell if we believe the stories yesterday stole the White House so I'm not showing you my resolution so we need to see what's in there and we need to see it in part to know. How does that trial play out? Procedurally now having said that the barebones own Senate Rules do allow any senator to really offer a pretty wide range of motions in writing. Send it up to the chief not to Mitch McConnell but to send to the chief who then reads the motion in can rule on it or allow the Senate to rule so damn could call for a witness long before we get right in the middle all of the presentation. So and then. That's the uncertainty. Here will their votes on calling witnesses even before the call has said he wants to have those so so I want to get to to the chief justice's role in this In a minute Before that though you know we set aside questions of whether this investigation is inquiry is analogous enough to the Clinton impeachment to merit using the same rules But if McConnell is committing to something along the lines of the Clinton impeachment process yes there'd be a a vote on a motion to dismiss but if if that motion fails there were witnesses called at at that stage of the Clinton impeachment is. He not locking himself into a situation where he's going to have to say. Oh well now we have to. We have to veer off the Clinton Process for whatever reason he needs to come up with to avoid. Oh you for sure. He's not committed to them. Self anyways not said he all his all his said for his own purposes. Here is well last question. We're going to defer to later. And the Clinton trial they did another resolution was a partisan version that couldn't get Democrats onboard for it but that laid out a very limited depositions of of three witnesses so those questions yet to be determined But it's entirely possible. We'll see those votes occurring during even before McConnell in essence of what I what I think I'm hearing from you is that there is no way for McConnell acting on trump's behalf or whoever's behalf to guarantee not that the trial surfaces new facts without making fifty one of his members vote to say you know John Bolton thanks but no thanks will will they would need to fifty one is everything right. He can't he can't he. Can't deter a vote on an early vote on a motion call a witness unless he's fifty one to shut it down so on the one hand right we're not really used to simple majority Senate's right right. We all say cough was just fifty one yards could do whatever they wanted but holding together those fifty one. He he may be able to do it. But I think there'll be a little dicey when it gets to particular questions About particular witnesses so I see this batted around. Democrats need four votes. If they I wanNA have a fair trial. McConnell can lose two and he gets fifty one what happens if three Republicans but with Democrats on these on these procedural questions witnesses and documents and we get a fifty fifty tie so I just assimilate this democrats stay together and they will seems reasonable especially on the witness questions. Joe Manchin is the was the sort of wild card and he was like. How can I have a trial without exactly exactly so fifty fifty so there are two issues here one of which is the chief but will come come to the chief second the first issue? What exactly is the motion right? Because because it's a motion to dismiss and it's fifty fifty that stalemate and stalemate vote loses so three defections on some types of votes this is a losing position for the Republicans a fifty fifty on a on a motion to dismiss. The motion fails sales. If it's left in John Roberts cannot. Aw this is the first edition so the first conditions it matters if the motion is calling witnesses depends on. Who wants who? Who which side is looking looking for fifty one so the first issue? What exactly is is the motion at play here? The second issue then is if it's a tie. Hi What does chief justice do as presiding officer in this is somewhere between. What's what's politically possible? What's in the chief justice's Head and then what's technically legally president here so we have episodes from the Johnson impeachment trial the nineteenth century where they were to opportunities where the chief justice is decided to vote to break a tie and after each one there was a senate motion to prevent the presiding officer or the chief from breaking ties in both of those failed. However the chief got the message we think in the next two opportunities back in the eighteen sixties? He didn't break ties he would he would strain with help. So there's no well there's no yes or no here they're right. He could decide whether or not he's going to break the tie dye. Can we divine anything precedential about those. Those two votes and Salmon Chase was the name of the right of the chief justice way back in the eighteen hundreds when he voted to break the tie was in furtherance of what we kind of conceive of as like moving the Senate trial closer towards what we imagine a courtroom trial be like was more partisan than that what it was his So that's a good question. Which would require me to bury renos back in the peach record to figure out what it what exactly they were? I don't believe they were as quite consequential as some of the potential titles that we're talking about here but I need to go back and figure out what precisely those were but the the question here is for Robert urge sent a lot of people trying to discern what will be his his incentive or his motives are his goals as presiding officer. And I think the answer is as we probably don't know yeah I I'll be responsible and just game out the okay. I mean He. I imagined he'll feel cross pressured. Because if if he's thinking about how his actions will reflect on the Supreme Court He's GonNa WanNa go with public opinion. which is I think? Clearly on the Democrat side in these is fair trial questions but he's also conservative and a Republican and it's no secret how his old party wants this all work out in the end So that's why I asked about past Intrusions by the Supreme Court justice and impeachments because if the idea is is that when the Supreme Court chief justice intervenes in an impeachment trial He does it to advance the cause of public information Then Robert's can just point to that and save precedent Kinda binds me here. I am not going to depart from from what past people in the Don. I just don't know the answer to the problem for Roberts on the precedent question is that their presence both ways right there really. Isn't anything binding politically binding legally or or so forth on him. That two point two so one question is whether he's still in sometimes we think he does. I mean most recently gave some speech and he said look the courts not partisan and we should think about the court in partisan terms. Well sometimes cheese we infer partisanship and and policy agendas from the chiefs behavior and sometimes yeah the affordable care act vote. He clearly seemed care about building. A broad coalition and not being the the institution that upset the the the policy status quo. So which John Roberts is going to show up at that trial could depend as you said on the the impact of particular rulings at a time. tie-breaking vote of his would have could be doesn't WanNa make himself the story but it could be. He sees an opportunity to plant. Elliot straight down the line which you know. Sometimes he's got a record of having done that so I think that's why it's difficult to game out. How the chief? We'll we'll see his role in these particular instances so Do you have any closing insights that you'd like Rubicon listeners. To hear before a cut you loose and we await the start of this trial in the coming days. Well it just think it. I guess I'd leave with two thoughts. The point that there are a lot of procedural hypotheticals that that could happen but politically. It's in the hands of a simple majority the Senate and I think to some degree. We're just not used to seeing majorities the Senate partisan majorities in the Senate. Having to take responsibility for the votes they cast because typically they duck behind super majorities. We could do it good. It's the other party's fault. Well we'll know who to hold accountable here this time which is somewhat rare in the Senate not least because they don't do anything in the fitted anymore so for US Congress watchers. Who've Kinda decry the fact that the Senate is the senators don't seem to want to be there or no one wants to run for I know wants to be there This sort of the spotlight is on them. And that's it for this week by next week. Maybe even before you've listened to this mm-hmm we hope to know what Nancy Pelosi chose to do with the articles of impeachment. Send them to the Senate keep them on her desk. Hold them all the house. Subpoenas John Bolton incision will determine when the trial begins and thus what next week's episode will be about. This show is produced by crooked media it's written and hosted by me Brian. Boiler Steven Hoffman is our editor and producer. If you enjoyed this episode please subscribe rate and review US wherever you get your podcasts

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Right man this is like the stuff that as a kid started formulating my opinions toward socialism and communism and all of these things one of my earliest memories in the book. I talk about it quite a bit. was going over there because again he had that conversation with my dad. Like your blessings here are saying when you have to see the other side so you don't take take anything for granted so you don't just assume this is normal like you said and you know I I'd go over there and my first early memories was the first sort of afraid was going in line and you know this is early eighties right so I was. I was pretty cool in my like Jean Jacket With Stars and Stripes on it and stuff like that was five right now and I remember getting pulled out of line Going to customs. Is there a rival the first time. They're you know Guy Soviet type of drab communist uniform with an AK over his shoulder and I was like I mean they literally started questioning me he like was I there to spread the great word five years old it so I just remember that system of that first time having fear because of this being told you can never wear that here because it represented American. I was trying to figure out what I didn't even know what that meant at that age. you know but now as we see in sort of evolved often you know I know this is obviously less political but sort of cultural and for me is I see sort of the mainstream laugh star going toward socialism and communism. And I'm like no no no like my mom escape from this. I had those experiences growing up. I've waited in those bred lines that everyone thinks so wonderful and I'm going to show you. They're not because I was a young kid. So guess what. My grandfather was an old school guy. It's like yeah you're going to. You're going shopping not me. You'll go get it done in those experiences are just compounding on me and to this day a you know I see it because my my grandmother still. She's ninety three she's still alive She's a tough woman tougher than most of us. Maybe not you but Certainly tougher than me. You know. Spent her early twenties hiding in the basement of her farmhouse from the Nazis during World War Two Then live through the communist occupation in an and all the tears of of that you know at least economically in a motivational And so then she got to experience. Your daughter broke out of that it and live the American dream and got to see all of that and now she's over there and they only have CNN over there and everything socialism's a wonderful idea. We should bring that shit here. I mean she literally. This is a woman who's been through a lot and she's calling me in tears. You can't let that happen. She doesn't know that I'm kind of like I'm sort of Vogel about the. We're fighting hard but I mean this is a woman again. been through a lot but she's in tears because she's worried about my future. You know her grandchildren and children. You'll mike hit her great grandchildren. She's like you don't understand. It always sounds so great Everything's always free. Everything's all is wonderful. And then they get you and and it just goes downhill from there and that sort of my motivation. You'll being out there and it's a big part of the book because it's sort of a long form take you know I'm not supposed to be your conservative or even a conservative activist. I'M THE SON OF A billionaire from New York. I get that into Ninety League school. I get that but these life experiences throughout that sort of took that mindset that I'm supposed to have and really alternate greatly is interesting. Just a quick segues. I'm from Canada where you have like. The you know. The universal healthcare the government government pays for the healthcare. It's great if you have you know if you're hunting and you slash your finger with a with a with a hunting knife. It sucks if you have cancer or go. Wait in line for nine months. Maybe we'll see you in. The problem is right. If you're wealthy enough you come to the US and you get it done yeah. I didn't see Bernie Sanders running to Canada when he had a heart attack for the For that wonderful healthcare and I think that's the point. Everything sounds great on paper right. Yeah but it's not always reality and the reality also pay heavily for that. I mean you act rates are incredibly high. So yeah it's there but I look at the plans I mean Elizabeth Warren Plan you over ten years. Fifty two fifty three whatever it is trillion dollars. There's this let's call it five. Trillion a year less government brings in tax revenue everything about six trillion a year. So take. Let's call it ninety percent of that. You know what I mean like an well. That doesn't fix a road that doesn't build a school. It doesn't pay for our military replacement. Policemen you know. Law and order is another one we can get into. Because that's you know. Oh gone by the wayside from the other side but I mean that's not responsible. You know what I mean you. You can't just throw that out there but because of the narrative and because of the uneven playing field it's like this is a wonderful plan on the mainstream media but right it's not responsible man. There needs to be an adult in the room saying that you know you can't do this. By the way you eliminate private insurance which is so good for. So how many Americans and this allowed them to do that. You know like like the you know the notion of Reagan. Yeah that's Kerry's words. You'll ever heard her. I'm here from the government I want to help you know what I mean like You know you can only go downhill from there. What you're talking about writing a book I've written four of them it's funny because Hash? It is your publisher and I'd think three my books with Asha Great Great Company but what made you decide to write the votes it's triggered is the name of it and we're talking about like just reading reading reading through it you obviously. You're very opinionated. Weighted towards what you believe in which is part of the trump charm and part of the trump hatred. It works both ways right right right. So what made you decide to finally put all these thoughts the book. Yeah you know it was interesting. I mean for me the experience I've had over the last four years you know. Obviously there's the life experiences that growing up sort of you know a while it went to a boarding school I get. That was elite school. It was in the middle of Rustbelt Pasta Homa firestone tires You know the first girls I ever dated. Were from from town radio so I I knew a lot of those people from those areas that have watched sort of their American dream. Just get exported You know it's been our only export as a country for so long and you know bad. Trade policies politicians making deals feels that have no business making deals because all been politicians. They've never done these things in in practice or in the real world and so you know the people for years right Tom. You've got to write the business spoken like in all fairness like come on like my dad. Got that Congress like I do. I'm writing the book that I learned about the stuff from my dad is like it never felt right it was like it. Just sorta seems like a a it cheap way to write a book. I don't need to do that. You know what I mean but it was this experience both the campaign and everything that happened to me afterwards and and you know continues the news that was like you know. That's an interesting story because I got to be. It's a tip of the spear of the greatest political upset in history. You know I got to go around the country and my hobbies as between hunting fishing a competitive shooting sort of people in Middle America. I actually consider them much more. My friends than sort of the I booze live in New York because it's easy is to walk to work but like I don't spend my weekends here. I don't vacation like that. I don't do the BS. Rubber Chicken dinner like charity circuit like Tuxedo thing. That's like my idea of hell. Aw again I'm unlikely. But like my real friends tend to be from Real America And so in seeing that and being that tip of the spear of the greatest upset in history history and then being really the number two target after my father you know junior ozone Muller's investigation have of Congress sitting there being like he committed treason and I'm like Mexican I like. I took a twenty minute unsolicited phone. Call from a guy we had looked at doing a business deal before because we were actually business people and like that's the problem. But but Hillary Rick Clinton going and paying a foreign operative foreign agents to go into those countries to dig up dirt to then give to the FBI leaks to reporters the reporters then write a story those same FBI FBI then use the story of the leaked information that they give them to justify spying on the duly elected president and his campaign in putting those people. I mean this is scary stuff. Say like if you weren't sort of a conspiracy theorist before like two thousand sixteen I get I get it right if you are now. You're an idiot a- and you know I got to be part of that. I was subjected to have of Congress. Throw you in jail for treason pretty seriously. It's mostly sure. Yeah now we fight back a little different I certainly I guess I certainly realized I got my father's fightback gene that whole well you know. Maybe it's an under developed sense of self preservation. I don't know but we're not gonNA take it lightly and y you know throughout life a lot of people would have said. Hey we're very different It was once you've put us in a sort of a corner and said Hey we're coming after you. That's when we realized no I stood up. Let's go that we were probably a lot more similar in. It's been an interesting experience and so in the book I get to cover a media bias. You know the hypocrisy that I see on a daily basis. I cover social media bias against conservative but even not even conservatives politically but people who have whether it's Christian values your weather it's the second amendment crowd whether it's people who are just getting Vogel you see the differences and you know it's one thing to do it in sort of a hot form you fast tweet one hundred forty characters less boom. Let's drop a bomb but to be able to take the thoughts and the lessons and experiences learned the last four years and to actually put them out in long form. I actually hope it's something that both sides can see recognize if they don't already know it we're pretty divergent path and it's not fair or fair path right now. Now you've mentioned a lot of things Don WanNA touch on many of those as we can starting with Your Dad's ads presidential victory in two thousand sixteen but before we get to that you know that traits and genes run in families. He can tell you. Look just like your father. Everybody shares jeans with those closest to you them. It's elementary school science. That's why ancestry has induced introduced a cool new product called ancestry. Health as health allows you to discover how your DNA might influence fluid certain health conditions and the steps you can take with your healthcare provider to chart a healthier plan forward for you and your family. Some health conditions can be influenced by genetics and knowledge is is power so if you're able to identify diseases that run in your family. 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Certified Laboratory partner and with oversight from an independent Clinician Network of board certified physicians and Genetic Counselors while that's a mouthful ancestor. Health is not currently available in New York. New Jersey or Rhode Island is a bunch of things that you mentioned that I won't get into but the thing is just right off the top of the reason. Why why you dad one donald one to me is is he's Rockstar? He knew how to work a camera. Same reason why Obama one beforehand. It really made a lot of people. Vote for him because he knew how to talk to people through through television from all that experience. I think that's fair. I think it goes beyond that though. I don't know that that gives him enough credit in the sense that yes he he definitely understand stands for the showmanship aspect. I mean you got that sure in your career and you know the guys they could do a lot of acrobatics. And then there's guys that connects out fired up in connect with the audience. Audience has that ability without question. But but also don't forget. This is a guy that's been a builder his whole life. This is a guy that built half the New York skyline right but he didn't do that just being like I like that design. I'll work with some you know European architect and you know have an executive Across the thing. Tell me everything I want to hear. I mean my hi dad made. His career was better at building because he spent time on the ground. With the guys you he was the guy that you know a five o'clock on morning on it you know. He's walking those job sites knowing the guys guys show up. He's talking to them. He's not just sort of. Oh Hi how are you. And then you know leave he. He'd listen to them like. Hey we're building this now. How would you do it better? How would you save money anyhow? You make it more efficient and so for years forty years. He listened to those guys and it wasn't like okay. I'm listening you know. He took their advice in many cases. Now how he's GonNa make up his own mind. I think we've all seen then but he listened to everyone so when they're like oh he's just a showman that's why he knows how to talk to these people know he knows how to talk to those people because he's been around them for his entire life uh-huh he spent time with them. I mean you know he's head it'll guys like that working class Americans. Their families be dependent on his success each and every three day for decades talking about job creation in theory. He's done it in practice. He signed the front of a paycheck And so I think it's some of those those differences. He was able able to go to middle America and connect because he's been having that conversation forever. Here's something that he's done. You mentioned this in the book. Just taking advantage of social media more specifically twitter four hundred forty characters two hundred and eighty characters Never been a president that ever use twitter as much as as Donald does More I mean obviously is to start over the last ten. Here's what Obama. I don't recall him. Being much of a twitter trump tweets every day and once again very polarizing figure but he uses that that that social media media very very smart like like like like someone entered like I. Do you have to use that to get your your your ideas and thoughts out there. One hundred percent. Listen he uses it. It drives lives a news cycle. It makes a point but it also allows him to circumvent The filter of today. I mean I don't think anyone you know anyone anyone let let alone. Your listeners would disagree with the statement yet. The media is always probably been left leaning today though they don't even try to hide it. It's just like hey. I'm the marketing getting wing of the Democrat Party. They've basically said that and so for him. It's allowed him to play. Sort of monkey in the middle of his message is going to run through some filter. That's GonNa take what he said totally distorted and then spit it out. Trump said this. I mean I saw this on the campaign. Donald Trump said this all right on a win yesterday. Okay I was is with them yesterday. Where in Michigan where in Michigan? 'cause I was at the rally. Go wait a minute you mean on live. TV in front of he said this vis well. Yeah you know admit number one. He said this in minute number fourteen. He said this on a different topic on minute number thirty seven. He said this but if we combine them together right this is the all you know. Yeah he said those words not in that order not in that context not no one in their right mind that was there you know would see it that way. But you're right you put those together. You change a question mark into an exclamation point. You take away his sense of humor. You've seen that one. Written all my God. He asked them the Russians to look into Hillary Clinton's emails at a rally on TV. In front of it was it was a joke. Everyone knows that it's a joke but the media trying to sell it as though it was fact it's it's sort of scary. It's sort of sad. I think they've undercut their credibility. Somebody I mean listen to I can point examples. I mean I go into great length in this in the book but like just last week. albuque- Daddy The leader and founder of Isis. A man that is a known rapist murderer you know he threw homosexuals off buildings. He doused people in gasoline in cages and lit them on fire. The Washington Post Right. I mean this is not like Ah tabloid right this. The Washington Post he's an austere Religious caller he just likes watching soccer. And you know maybe something happened along the way because trump got him because trump was. That's the guy I want to get it when trump does it they try to pretend like this guy is great. I mean you know when my father said hey like the mainstream media. They're the enemy of the people. Honestly you see a headline like that about a guy that there should be no one in the world. That doesn't say the world is a better place that that guy is is no longer here. Well because God I'm no no no we're going to try to make him out to be not so bad he's not so bad. There's a reason he was this way. Come on man. It's not. It's not fair you. It's not right but again I I believe there are reasonable. People that are seeing this and saying Oh my God this is nuts you saw it with. You saw it with the New York Times. They fact check the medium the medium that he put up about putting the puppy dog medal of honor around the dog that went in the cave. And I mean they're calling the whitehouse too serious like to try to do that to jump on anything that he does. It's a little bit frustrated. Who posted something on Instagram? A couple of days ago going into the fight in the garden and and people are cheering. And there's a one guy in the corner kind of bullying. They're going into his phone. He's GonNa boo all of their all. Booing him yeah. Trump gets out of MSG. And it's not really what happened is it's like the chew sides of the coin and there's always the point is you know but then the main the BBC British broadcast. I promise you they weren't at the. UFC fights right but they see one person writes sampling negative immediately. Blue checkmark twitter. This is what happened without a doubt trump no hey still conservative going into Madison Square Garden in the heart of New York. Take a conservative place politics aside. It's you know it's not you know. I don't expect everyone to be cheering him but to try to make it like we got him now. We own like so. I put out a video and other people started posting these videos. And you could see like even in New York even at MSG. I mean Dana. White looks at me and he goes man. I've been doing this for twenty I five years. I was the most amazing entrance I've ever seen. But even he was sort of surprised that it was so welcoming reaction he got blue Mark Twain. Trump is booed again. Everyone hates. I don't know maybe you gotta get out of your cubicle at the New York Times and like meet some people who aren't just in your echo chamber who earn just in your bag. Maybe you learn something. What was the relationship with the media that your family had prior to Donald being elected president? I think it was always you know probably a little controversial but I think my father in the media. I think it was Fred. No one certainly no one in business or real estate That sort of had a symbiotic relationship with the media. As like you know they're gonNA take their heads at times but they'll also blowed because they know he knows how to make that show and how to make a statement to make an entrance so it was great for the most part before that I mean you know. It wasn't so many things in pop culture. I mean I. There's like a hundred and fifty six rap songs with Donald Trump and he was the most you know wrapped about your guy in pop culture and now you're conservative. We must hate him and it's weird. I got pictures with all his Alma. Maters it's like. How can we were hanging out here? And he didn't have a problem then it's really interesting. You know one one of the interesting book. You'll reverend Al Sharpton. I mean. This came to me when he needed a reference and a place to find to get a place to live like you know he used to be around all the time and now conveniently we're the enemy and it's this because it's all nonsense and it's all it's all literally connect and you can see that were. We're so terrible that if you're years ago when you're looking for a new place to say you called me to help you out like come on like sell it with a straight face or at least the other half of the story. Where does the controversy comfort with the the fact that like you mentioned earlier that now Donald has the freedom to give his own news and the gatekeepers don't really are in charge anymore? If you're talking about I think that's that's a combination I mean I think he's taken on the establishment really on both sides right. I mean he hasn't had pushback from some of the sort of the WASHINGTONIAN elite. You know that. Have Down there a single thing that they've done that's all that good. Maybe it's top secret but you certainly don't in the results for the country in any of the economic numbers until now and you know but you know there's pushback no one wants to have someone come in from the outside and threaten you threaten the dominance that they've had all their buddies are getting rich. That's different been a consequence to being wrong as a politician. Can you sort of losing election. You become a lobby is go back and do it again you know. I think it's a little different so I think there is sort of a an attack like Oh my God. This guy's threatening the thing that we've built that's been so good for us. The only problem is it hasn't been good for anyone else outside of the beltway and DC. And I think that you know that mentality poses a threat and we pose the throat you know you attack. I get that one of the funny things I told the story. We're leaving my father's all right upstairs from here on June sixteenth in two thousand fifteen And I tell the story the last thing he said to us as we're going down in the elevator before he walked over to the escalator and we greeted him down there to announce I'm running. He just looks me in the eyes and he just it goes and now we find out who are real friends are And like it was sort of amazing because he just understands human nature he knew but more importantly what makes it so much cooler as that he knew it would be brutal. He knew it was be vicious. He knew people that were friends. Would all of a sudden pretend like that never happened Because he was going to have to say the things that needed to be said to to actually win. Just give you your the talkers from our side and you know I believe in this. One hundred percent He doesn't. He's a pragmatist makeup so his own mind okay but more importantly about that statement was he knew how vicious it was going to be and he did it anyway. I'm sick of it. It's time to step up. I mean if you look at one you know the pin tweeter. My my twitter profile for so long was literally him on Oprah in one thousand nine hundred eighty six having the same conversation. He's were making bad trade deals. We're getting taken advantage of. And he's the first guy to actually take on those things like why why warrant those issues addressed over the last forty years no. Why did no one disgust? Why didn't know one take on this? Why did no one do anything about prison? Reform it's not a Republican issue. Stop benefiting his base humanist. It's a human issue. It was the right thing to do but no one talks about those things because God forbid you can't give him props. He is the enemy to the the lifestyle and culture that we've established in DC because let's talk about how your Your Dad's presidency is suspected you personally as his son bearing the same name I WanNa talk about the pros and cons of being Donald trump junior but I I need to take care of another sponsor making this show oh possible and that sponsor has really helped travel for a e W dynamite every week helping for full gear this Saturday Jericho versus cody is going to be huge. This is quickly become one of the most on my phone. It's time with the atmosphere weather APP. It does exactly we think it does. It gives me a detailed weather report hour by hour for the city. I'm going to so I'm in Baltimore. Tamar Maryland tomorrow for full gear and thanks to atmosphere weather. I know it's going to be cold in the forties and possibly rainy. I also know that it's not going to be very windy. And I got all that information at a single glance on one screen. 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I say I'm the only son of a billionaire who can drive a ten caterpillar because we actually had to do those expense brother and I and like made his run chainsaws and we weren't like he worked as a bartender. I like that was a fun conversation. I graduate of the Wharton School of Finance where he went to go. Move to Colorado. It'd be a bartender promoted to break that down. It was over the phone and it was a yeah it was one of the. Let's call it less than awesome EH conversations. I've had with him in my life and it was like okay. But congratulations that you're on your own. I'm not I'm not buying yell place. The Community Bar and grill figure it out. I sorta lucky. They forgot to cancel my gas card. So gas cards. I was like you know. I guess my dad gave me a guest. Kennedy Credit Card was gone. I gotta go figure that out on Marino's and hostess. I made it like a lot of gas. No one no one thought. Ah So I I got. I got a little subsidy. They will unintentional but You know I think throughout our lives again. I probably on paper wouldn't be that but again I relate more to probably just regular people because of sort of you know. I think I got quite a bit of that from my grandfather and my mom growing up with those backgrounds in eastern Europe and spending the time over there it was humbling. I think taught me not to take anything for granted now today in this environment. Hey I'm out there fighting as much anyone because frankly we need more people willing to step up and willing to say the things that they may be unpopular and you may not get invited to the core person party but it doesn't mean it doesn't need to be said doesn't mean it's not true and and you have so few people that are willing to actually step up and say those things even if they believe it. I'd love to see that change because you get a lot of hot water from what you see because we are in the meads do they. They say the snowflake society that we live in and address a lot of that in your book as well. I hit it all and it's funny. I get so many people I met you. I agree with what you said. That was like well. Why don't you say that they're whispering it to me like you're one hundred percent right on this? I mean we have to start being able to say those things publicly like and if you're not I think that's what brought you trump. He's the guy that's willing to say the things that so many are don't want to be so but won't vocalise for fear of the repercussions like there's also another a great chapter but Jesse small. Yeah and that's interesting because I had heard about it but didn't really delve into it and then reading your book. It's like what a ridiculous. What was his endgame in? Trying intention it was to get more salary was to be you know a leader of the woke movement but I think the point of that chapter and I got killed on it when I was first I got to like you. I was the first guy with something to lose. Jesse SMELLY was the guy that said you know. Hey you know I went out a rich actor right on a on a show on empire right. It's it's an African American like rap music sorts. Whatever he goes out and says you know two guys two guys in Maga hats in downtown Chicago? This was mid February on the coldest night of the year. Two guys were walking around down to Chicago. Maga hats they happen to have a noose in a bucket of bleach and they poured it on him. And I you know listen in. The media was like Oh this is the greatest because it was like the perfect rating tax brackets this attacking a gay black actor industries of Chicago wearing a hat and chanting Maga country like I've been all around quote Unquote Maga country. Okay you know what those people call eight hundred what they call it. America I've literally never heard the term Maga country until Jesse SMELLY and I've been all over what would he would have deemed Manga country. And so I was sort of the first guy to be like. Okay wait a minute. And you're telling me and immediately they say everyone every major TV person this happened own my God guilty to hit trump and just like step back if it happened. Fry them throw the book at them. That kind of shouldn't happen in this country at all. Those people deserve the worst. That's come into him but I said it just seems a little odd to me and I said first of all how many guys white guys would be dumb enough to wear a Maga hat in downtown Chicago. You'd last four seconds before getting shot a day starting off a little bit weird how these guys. Obviously they're carrying bleach any news made of twine right like a thin twenty of beg your hair braided together. How many guys would walk around downtown Chicago in Maga hats with that on the coldest night of the year that was actually documented at two in the morning hoping that a really rich actor would happen to want and have an unsatiable craving to get subway? Sandwich give me. I'm saying it just doesn't do the got thrown off instagram. They cancel on my post. They said it was really one hundred percent. Wow for only asking a question which was like has anyone even thought to maybe question in this but no no no it was. It was the narrative that the other side wanted so there was no questioning. So I. I'm I'm spreading conspiracy areas. I'm creating so I just I don't see it man like you know what a really rich actor does at two o'clock in the morning if they get a craving order see most. They're not going to subway. Give me a break. You know. Then he won't turn over the phone to the cops he still wearing the noose forty five minutes later like this is not the way a reasonable person would behave so it started sort of crumbling and these guys are going after me and I just stuck to my guns but like again it so many people are like you're so right on this but we can't say anything 'cause we're going to get cancelled. I'm like well you guys like he had to be able to ask a question these days. Obviously the whole thing turns out to be ridiculous. You know what I mean. He was just doing it just to to to doing it to you. Know he wanted to get a raise and he was an activist for this sort of stuff and so this is how to get attention and everyone was going to jump to his side you know in the really like how many white supremacists quote unquote. How many of them are watching empire laying an african-american like this makes sense dumbest? Like he may be a good actor but he's a really shitty storyteller because like no one would come up with a story that dumb or that bad but like that's going on and then you see you you know people just uncovering these sort of fake hate crimes. Because they know they'll get the coverage they'll no they'll get whatever they want and yet when when actual people a couple of weeks ago you know. They were a trump supporter that went to a trump rally in Minnesota and they come out and they're literally beaten in the streets. No arrests no this media total silence right total silence. But you know someone doesn't mean that was. I was speaking a political conference and in a back room somewhere. Someone showed me M- that was like it was like cartoon cartoon where they replaced like CNN. Little emojis depicting violence against the media. It was front page on the New York Times. How terrible is this? There's a billboard. There was a billboard in Times Square with a guy strangling my father trying to sell clothing like no coverage of that but the mean depicting violence a cartoon. MEAM that gets front-page outrage our age. The New York Times but actual violence people getting beat in the streets while the trump supporters. Maybe they deserve it a complacency that complicity. That's just it's truly disgusting. Busting and again. That's what was great about the books. I sort of call out in a tweet and I can even show but to have three hundred pages just for humans. That's been really important to me because that is right right. They're like well. You didn't neglected to say there's like four minutes in an interview. You'RE GONNA ask seven questions like I get excited to make my point. You did the best I kid but you know to take it through there. You know I talk talk about that. With the Biden. The Hunter Biden controversy versus Donald Trump. Junior I was like in the book. I can explain the difference. Is You know in the media. They're like what you're the son of a rich guy to go. Yeah but like we did that as private private businesses like we were international business. People Chris for decades. Of course I mean we stopped doing any new deal going forward when my father want. Okay now we have deals that. Were under construction from two thousand twelve like you gotta finish. You have a contractual obligation to finish. But we won't do. We wouldn't pursue new deals internationally going forward just in in case now one hundred and he became magically an international businessman. Eighty three thousand dollars a month board seat in a country. He doesn't speak the language of business. He knows nothing about because his dad's in charge like he was literally making money. Because of the power of his father's tax payer funded office. We stopped up doing any of those things that you guys are the same we're not he magically became an international businessman. He went on Air Force two with his father to China and came back with one point. Five billion dollars from the Chinese investment. And if I did that the media would explode your son of a rich get us. I acknowledge that I am enlarge part far who I am and where I am because of my father. I can't do anything about that and I don't bring Greg Hunter that but don't do it under the guise of his father's a humble public servant. You know humble public servants son WHO's getting eighty three grand a month for the no show job in the Ukraine and then on camera saying you know if you don't fire that prosecutor investing less investigating my son's company. I'm pulling your aid. And then they said well your father said it's like yeah and the day after he released the transcript all of the nonsense all of the showmanship that's going on now is literally people's opinion most of them and I put out a tweet about this weeks ago. Who wants to bet that all these guys are somehow tied to bidoon the left wing? And it's turning out to be true because we figured out this game but again it's that false equivalency the that they put out there so for me the book to be able to sit down and be able to be like I got three hundred pages to make my point. It's sort of awesome. I think I can get that. I think again because anything thing I say. We'll go through that media filter the outrage. We'll go you know. Only one way. I think it gives people who are willing to read it and people objective again. There's going to be people unless I never. I do nothing nothing. There's nothing I could do to satisfy them but there are people in the middle they can read them to okay. I get the difference and I see that mainstream media and all of the coverage has very selectively neglected to give me all of the facts. They're giving me a select subset of facts that really works to drive home their narrative. Not The whole picture pitcher. So you're talking about your dad. Obviously you one of his right hand man and I'm wondering if you agree with all of these decisions and ideas all the time or if you sometimes call him out on things before you answer that they'll let me take a quick minute here. Thank another fine talk. Is Jericho sponsor time. What Diamond Dallas page and his? DDP Wide Program. I've got the DP. Why now APP on my phone? I use it all all the time usually to do a stand up workout. Still my favorite. And if you haven't tried yet you really should. And if you're a military veteran remember you can try the DP why APP and the DD DVD's for fifty percent off right now. That's fifty percent off for past and present military members because every day veterans day DP Y DOT COM own. Your Life Start today and if you are currently or have in the past served in the US military do it for fifty percents off at d. y.. Dot Com. Talk Jericho's also sponsored answered in part by O'Reilly autoparts trust the friendly knowledgeable parts. Professionals that O'Reilly auto parts they're professionals. Know what it takes to get the job done right. Professional technicians have have counted on a reilly auto parts for years. Come see for Yourself O'Reilly auto parts better parts better prices every day When you're talking about your dad obviously one of his right hand man? Is there anything that he's done where you went. Dad Come Twenty Chris. I've never had that issue. No we get asked that all of course yeah you know. I wouldn't be a trump if I didn't disagree with people even if I agree with them most of the time but I will say this sort of respect more every day. Frankly the way that he handles it and I understand people. He doesn't have to be that aggressive. Hey when they've spent years trying to throw you in jail and they they literally attacking your family Hunter Biden at fifty. Doing all of those shady. Things is totally off limits. Family's off limits didn't stop them from trying to put me in jail for two and a half years it doesn't stop them from literally this weekend at the attacking Barron Barron trump. WHO's thirteen? You know. It doesn't stop them because they because they didn't go to the world series so maybe his father and all of the nonce doesn't stop them from attacking attacking my sister. Tiffany was twenty five in law school. And you know didn't ask for any of this stuff but one hundred fifty is getting all the he's off limits. You can't do that. That's not fair. It's like give me a break. More things we were talking about another chapter the last couple of books about twenty two thousand eight and trump in two thousand twenty no intentions of not continuing on on. And what do you think I mean. Obviously the chance of very good in your opinion but you mentioned a lot about the. The Democrats really isn't a strong contender. Shall we say a strong strong field again. You know you you again obviously. This is probably more political than you're getting you stupid sort of life but some of it's cultural as well but like you know. Joe Biden wouldn't be a viable candidate for the Democrats. If it wasn't for the fact that trump's their meaning Joe Biden half the time he doesn't remember what state he's in just google it and that's them covering up for him. I mean yesterday I saw a picture of speaking to a group of twenty people with teleprompters. I mean come on man like that's fine right. That's great now. How are you going to do when you're one on one with trump for six months like I wouldn't recommend it Elizabeth? Warren I mean you know. This is a woman who got rolled into taking a DNA test because her entire life was based based on being native American. You know she's a minority native American. She gets rolled into taking the DNA tests but more importantly that increased imagine imagine having the judgment to getting back that test. And it says you're one maybe maybe one one thousand and twenty fourth Being like Holy Shit this win like we got trump I if I was fifty percent native American and tried to go out there saying they destroy me she had the judgment to be like one one thousand and twenty four. Th You know in a room of a thousand people maybe one of them somewhere was one of her ancestors was native America. But you know she got tenure. She got jobs she got you know boosted throughout her entire career taking advantage of of this when it could have gone to a an the actual minority. That really could've probably used the help she does that in. It's like Oh yeah no. We're totally good with this one. One Thousand and twenty four. I mean it's crazy. So you know I like Dr Oz Certainly paper when you look at the accomplishment all time low unemployment numbers African Americans Hispanics. Everyone's way wages going up from the lowest level. Not just you the rich guys at top. That's important because real people are finally seeing some benefits you know. Joe Biden two thousand dollars that the average American. That's nothing you know. Nancy Pelosi was he said it was crumbs. He said Oh it's negligible a lot of money to the average American family and it's sort of sad and what does it say about our political class that me me. The son of a billionaire for New York get that but they don't all home. It's a lot of money for the average American. I mean that's that's all that's game changer. You see blue check twitter. You're running around. Hey we've done a really good job convincing Americans that they haven't seen any benefits from tax reform even though ninety four percent have I mean. They're literally joking that they're like pulling the wool over the actual people's eyes and doing it on purpose as ally. If we were doing those things it would be the end of the world and so you know the hypocrisy is the big part of that. I mean obviously the message in the social media censorship. You said it my father has figured out how to get it to the people but you see actively use other examples. I just smell it but other examples. Those were you guys are like Donald tried liking opposed to a picture of you and your kids and they're sending me video taking the time to do that. And you see the heart goes and it disappears heart goes on disappears. Third Time. You've been the out of your account for twenty four hours seriously for liking a post not like one of my hot post either right. And they're they're sending it to my. I don't know people I follow and the writing long long paragraph shit sending video on the hope that maybe I read it and I do because I like to stay in touch with those people pretty well and I see you'll. Hundreds of examples managed a one way street. They've never heard of left complaining. Planning about being shadow ban De monetize censor out of there until you get conservative religious groups. All of a sudden they're following media matters like left wing organizations that they didn't and sign up to follow. I'd Kimberly my girlfriend. Donna had to follow you four times this week. I go pissed you off that much. You know listen I get it I can. I can be a fanny the as like you stop following me now. I didn't when they stopped following you for me And so you see those kind of things and so on paper I would say twenty twenties over over by now. But you're not because you got that up pop culture Lebron James Out there you know. Trump's terrible trump about China. I don't I don't have an opinion on that. No no you don't have an appointment you don't have enough. You can talk smack about America for five years but the the well-documented atrocities of the Chinese regime. You don't have a problem with it. How about this man up and just say hey? I make a lot of money there. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa bite the hand that feeds at least I'd respect that I mean I don't necessarily agree with the opinion but I respect it because that's what's actually happening but you magically pretend you all of a sudden don't have an opinion and hide behind that. I'm not educated enough on the matter. Hey Lebron Steve Kerr it in quantum physics physics okay. This is no surprise Both sides of the American political. But I get it. You want your sneakers. I understand just own. That don't bullshit. Me Is the possibility of impeachment. Legit is that something you guys. I don't think so I mean was in the house will keep trying. I mean because they said it I mean. Hillary said it to other people in the house. Well we're not gonNA a beat him so we got her impeach him. I mean they're literally saying that. And then you have this. Sham democracy dies darkness according to The Washington Post. The you know the Amazon Washington Post it dies and darkness but they don't have a problem with this impeachment inquiry where Adam Schiff who's been talking for three years about how he has evidence that no one else has magically seen you about collusion and all that. There's no accountability. There's no this. He's judge jury executioner he decides who the witnesses are he doesn't allow Republicans to ask questions and then he's GonNa say well then we're going to just call it so he's literally basically guiding people find out who's GonNa Tell L. him when he wants to hear and then that will be the person that gets called publicly and these will be the questions that he's allowed to answer it's a sham and again I do think the American people get it. I mean I think the American in public is so much smarter than the liberal elite would like them. It would like to believe that they are. I mean I saw. There's a level of hatred disdain from the media I think the best example I saw. We launched launched twenty twenty campaign back in June down in Orlando and we went down there and forty seven thousand people showed up for a political rally. That doesn't happen. Yeah I mean that's that's that baby. WW WRESTLEMAINIA and forty seven thousand. Two hundred twenty five for two days there for forty eight hours a day. It's raining. It's hot humid. Thunderstorms not one person left. It was beautiful. I got to introduce the VP. Who introduced my father? There was a big love festival in the it was amazing and I go back and on Air Force One flying back with my father and we turn on the commentators afterwards to see what they said about the rally. Did you see those people. People people that are into the political process for the first time seeing president has delivered for them. They were in their flip. Flops that must be their formal attire. ha ha ha I mean are they not the enemy of the people I mean. They can't stand these hardworking Americans. They can't they want everyone to be there. Little Newark Works City bubble. You know and again I get it. I'm the guy from New York City I. It may not be where I spend much of my time or where I hang out but I'm from there but again I know people on both sides like to a have that sort of hatred for just hard working Americans who just WanNa live there American dream. Who have the goal? The goal to want their kids to live that American dream to you want their kids to benefit from their tax dollars. You know rather than sending it to some country in far off lands where they hate our guts. They hate our freedoms they hinder values like monkey me a break like that done unreasonable. It's not even a reasonable approach. And so you know again. I talk about that aspect of the culture in the book and and it's been an awesome. Experience is kind of Cathartic to write it again. When you say that the sort of hell again I I realized I probably have a different sort of fight or flight response to again again? You know being in the crosshairs of Congress and the Senate and House intelligence committees and these kind of that kind of but it's been an important lesson I think trump's taught people people. Hey you can fight back you own turning the other cheek is nice sometimes but like when your values and your principles are on the line like what does it get. You gotTa push back last thing to talk about. There's been a great relationship between the WB. Vince McMahon and Donald Trump for years all the way back to Wrestlemainia Ford Five in Atlantic City. At all I was there I was just GonNa ask you. Were you there. I remember that I was little. I mean this is this is really early on in you. Know he's done such an amazing job and bill such credit it. Linda McMahon literally runs the. That's right this trump super. She works trump. And she's done anything. She's one of those unsung heroes. Josh no the Small Business Administration for us and again accomplished woman just rockstar does incredible things name. A story oriented media about Linda McMahon that was positive during zero now. Trump's misogynist really. He's he's allow women's running the pro-trump SUPERPAC. I think charge like the the boss. The women's running the small business administration you more than that funds all the small business that my father said he's going to grow a woman's doing that not not an article not of this. But he's a terrible he. You would never employ women So that's why you know people just got to have to get through that sound bite. But now the McManus have been. Ill Been Awesome. And they've been friends for a long time. I'll tell you what your memories of Wrestlemainia I I mean. It was awesome. And when you when you see that going back more recently in the last decade back I've seen some of those things I mean I went out. There may have been Minnesota. You know when when my dad. Vince McMahon the battle of the hair. You know watch my watch. Don't call you'll give. My Dad was pretty one of battle of the billionaires. My Dad come off the ropes. On Vince McMahon and it was like this is one of the greatest thing ever I mean I I would say that is another it is a first any last any the. US President now or anytime hall of Famer he's in the wwe hall. And I. It was amazing to see that stuff and it. It's it's such a cool thing and it's you know I grew up watching it and you know through college. A couple of guys on my team are like even even today. I'm like avid fans and watchers. I don't have as much time as I used to be. But it's an amazing thing and even my kids sort of just watching that story line over the years. It's been incredible. Do Do you watch assume luster time. Do you watch any shows outdoorsman. Right so when when I I actually for you know for all the call you know sort of manly stuff that I do. Whether it's hunting fishing shing shooting like I. I don't watch much sports in these days. I mean part of it. I think you know now that I'm not in college. SORTA recovering from a hangover on a couch. It's a little different. I got young kids ads. I tried to get them outdoors. Try to make sure they experienced more than a New York City life out there riding. ATV's and out there. I'm a big again outdoorsman. Hunter fisherman every week and I'm doing that and so I I literally when it when it's daylight and I'm not working whether it's you know at the office or out there politically sort of you know fighting for my father and the Republicans that are that are doing that for him. I sort of do the exact opposite of that I. I'm I'm in the doors. I'm doing something like that. You big fisherman big ever been candidate I have. I've been all over candidate fishing. I've been up in the Yukon quite a bit mostly hunting. I mean my my idea of a vacation as you know. Throwing on a backpack rivaling getting dropped off in the Yukon ten days as no base Cam. No nothing living out of a tent and you know that's what I do on my vacation time. So it's not the idea of a luxury resort on a beach somewhere as my idea of hell well I like sort of getting snowed on in August. You know what it's like up there and so I've fished all over Canada. I've hundred all over Canada. You spent a lot of time in in that part for the world and it's just it's awesome when you go up like that. Do you have to have a secret service guy can with you. It's not easy to take people into when you're literally going into the wilder if you're not into that if you're an experienced mountaineer and all of that stuff and again this is not like hey you'll base came. We're going back to a lodge. This looks like you're carrying sixty pound pack and wherever you stop walking at the end of the day you're setting setting up a tenth. I've figured out the ability to be able to sign off on some of those trips to say. Hey listen I I. I got to be able to do that. I'm still forty one year old man. Yeah I'm sort sort of set in my ways. It's a little different and so you still need to be able to live that life again high. There's times when I need it. You know and this year the number I get the according to them I get the most second the most death threats are second only to my father in America which is wonderful. So there's definitely a place and then I've started figuring out that system where you know some of those things. I'm probably a much more endanger of bear than a lab rabid liberal. Oh Yeah Man Moose. Again in the most dangerous can have their awesome up there too. That's just a lot of fun. Going going up there on the rivers and getting that done. Do you're very charismatic guy learning. I'm sure you get asked this all the time he aspirations. You know honestly everyone I I do. Enjoy the fight like I I sort of. I like taking the Mike and going around the country and seeing these people who are benefiting from that I mean when you have these people that literally tears in their eyes being like you know. Thank you for doing doing this. Like you guys have changed my life for the. There's no better feeling in the world and that I like the fight aspect of it which frankly probably the the part you need to like. Most because it's it's it's brutal in his vicious especially on our side. I don't know that I want the day job. You know dealing with the five hundred and thirty five members and now that doesn't mean that doesn't change in time. I sort of never want to rule it out but right now and today my only focus is four more years. You know the election making sure my father gets to do that. 'cause I think you can get the country going back on the right track what I believe to be the right track because you know not. Everyone's GonNa agree with that but again I don't I don't think there's an economic metric that you can point to that we're not better off today than we were three years ago there uh on college campuses and they're like come on give me one you may not love I mean I love the vessel. I understand that but I think you know when when you then put yourself in his shoes and and you see the attacks and the vicious dislike the Conservatives always take some hits but like no one's had it like this no one's had it this bed and you know again. I try to I try to do that in in middle America going to people who are Don if if if my grandfather knew. I was voting for Republican. It'd be rolling over in his grave and I get that. I understand the history of sort of Democrats being the party of of the working class by go. What happened to that party like us that today's Party and they I mean they they sort of vote robotically out of that tradition and when I asked to go so what do you think the top five issues are for the Democrat Party? What do you think your grandfather would think of those? And that's when the light bulb goes off and they're like yeah you're right and this isn't my grandfather Democrat Party. That party has been taken over. It's not even I don't even say Democrat 'cause people like you're in some on Salting Democrats. I'm not really like I have a lot of Democrat friends. I have people that you know they get it. They're American as as as anyone but the leadership. Leadership of the Party has gone leftist. It's no longer you know John F. Kennedy I'd say AB viewed as today. He's all right. He's a neo. Nazi scum and the Party has has left the people not the other way around and I think once people recognize in the label goes off and I was like wait a second year right like the things that are big deal for them or are not a big deal. They're not gonNA help me and my family anymore. Donald Trump was the guy that recognized that void and filled it and has done a great job executing since then we'll ever decided to run. My mother-in-law Charge Malone told me tells you vote for you find your book I appreciate it starts. That's one that's one. I need three hundred million probably only about sixty five million more but I WANNA win them all from a good one. Thank you so much. Thank you all right. Donald Trump's trump's junior new book triggered how the left thrives on hate eight and wants to silence us out. Now it's available wherever you get books. 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Donald Trump vs. the Democratic House 'Squad.'

"Here the extraordinary secrets of how to thrive in disrupted world the old rules of management and already correct anymore so what works making was heavy to the future will I am and Omar App Bosh subscribe. Wherever you get your podcasts from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal? This is Potomac. Watch Donald Trump takes on the squad the so-called squad the four left-wing members of Congress Democrats who've been fighting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi about the direction of the Democratic Party. Was this a political blunder on trump's partner. Is this a deliberate strategy and what is going to be the political fallout welcome. I'm pause you go with the Wall Street Journal here to talk about <hes> this latest episode in our crazy trump era bill mcgurn high bill. Hey Paul and Kim Strassel Kim. Hello all right so the <HES> <hes> House Speaker will offer a resolution on Tuesday evening condemning the comments by Donald Trump over the weekend and tweets in which he <hes> attacked <hes> the four Democrats <hes> Freshman Ashman members of Congress you know them Alexandria Ocasio Cortez Ilhan Omar <hes> and two others <hes> <hes> who <hes> have <hes> been feuding quite publicly with Nancy Pelosi about the direction of the Party saying it needs to impeach trump now for example saying it didn't they voted against the hub funding bill for the border humanitarian crisis at the border and trump injected himself bill all right in the middle of that debate they were fight Democrats. Were really at each other's throats in a way I haven't seen in a long time and Donald Trump said hey I wanna I want in and some of that action and decided to tweet that <hes> <hes> they are <hes> so interesting to see Progressive Democrat Congress men congresswomen who originally <hes> came from countries whose governments are complete and total catastrophe the worst most corrupt wrapped up anywhere in the world if they have a functioning government at all now loudly in viciously telling the people the United States the greatest most powerful nation how to govern government to be <hes> is to be on why don't they go back and help affixed totally broken and crime infested places from which they came and come back and show us how it is done bill well. I think if <hes> some people pointed out only one of the congresswoman is foreign born right but however the crime and you know the the places that are dysfunctional could apply to neat you know Cossio Cortez's <hes> New York City look the tobacco up a little bit. You mentioned this tweet. I think it was Sunday that the president twenty morning squat plot but before that I mean we had this really curious <hes> twenty four hours maybe thirty six hours where trump had defended Nancy Pelosi against the same people who accused him of her of attacking women of Right. That's that's what Ocasio Cortez said accused her singling out women of color for attacks and then <hes> Donald trump the white night came. Maybe should use white <hes> came on his horse and defended Mrs Pelosi and on Friday Eddie was telling a scrum of reporters on the White House lawn. This was disgraceful and that put Mrs Pelosi Really Awkward Place where she was defended by Donald Trump and attacked by our own caucus the Sunday tweet gave <hes> gave if the Democrats to cover to unite well whatever our own disagreements <hes> you may be a lesser racist but we all agree and they're doing now that said I'm not sure in the end where the fallout the which side will benefit politically. I I Davis sneaking suspicion that even in the mess <hes> Donald Trump may benefit from this well Kim. I I really do want to hear your take on this. I you know I in my view is that <hes> present United States shouldn't use language about anybody nobody and certainly not members of Congress. It says go back to where you came from. I mean I've heard that as a school yard taught <hes> more than once and of course it's been used against immigrant groups <hes> all the time throughout American history but the President President shouldn't be saying things like that and yet <hes> <hes> you know the so I'm in my view it was it was nativist <hes> as a statement in my view it was also a politically unwise <hes> not to say stupid as Brit Hume <hes> called it because it was it. Did I think <hes> stop the Democrats from feuding with one another and when your opponent is your opposition is fighting among themselves. Let it continue yeah. Yeah you asked in our opening. This was a blunder or a deliberate strategy and my first thought was can't it be both wow so explain that well. I do think that I mean there's there's no question and to certain extent. This was deliberate in that why Donald Trump wander into this debate it's because he wants these four individuals to be the face of the Democratic Party and he wants Nancy Pelosi to have to defend them to unite the party around these folks that are very <hes> their comments in their positions tend to be very off-putting to a lot of really important voters in this upcoming election in particular <hes> independence and the white working class us and so he wants them to be Democrats but as you said one of the consequences of this is that he stumbled into them already doing that fairly well all on their own <hes> with a statement that you know look I wish he hadn't used those words either <hes> because it does bring up a lot of history and it's an allows as so often happens with Donald trump his critics to take his statements and turn them into the most you know extreme the way they describe it so there was it nativist probably was it racist. I would argue maybe not but of course that's how the entire press corps is describing it and so so suddenly he becomes the story instead of them <hes> so I don't think the overall strategy is wrong in that you know these people are a new wing of the Democratic Party. They are very radical in their views <hes> and having them as the face probably helps Republicans <hes> but you have to think of ways to do it without making yourself the story to just on your point about the strategy Kimmel just read another trump tweet <hes> he issued here in the last. I think go a forty eight or seventy two hours. The dams were trying to distance themselves from the four progressives but now they are forced to embrace them that means they are endorsing socialism hate of Israel in the U._S._A.. Not good for the Democrat mkx rats so that suggests that there was in fact a strategy by trump yeah. You know it's interesting you read that. I'm just reading David axelrod's tweet from day ago. He said with his deliberate racists outbursts Donald Trump wants to raise the profile vist targets drive arrived to defend them and make them emblematic of the entire Party. It's cold hard strategy so he agrees <hes> an axelrod was a Barack Obama's strategy so you know I mean look what's going to happen. Is You know they're gonNA have a resolution denounced ounce donald trump. I think when it's over they're going to go back to attacking each other. Biden and Pelosi Budaj has problems you know out in south bend after the killing of a a black man by white police officer and I think I think they're going to get back to it so you don't think that <hes> <hes> this was necessarily a political mistake by the president in the sense that has Kim pointed out. He's being denounced again as racist <hes> no president really would like to be attached to him or do you think that that will have a piece in today's paper saying that Donald Trump's opponents are crazier than he is by Bobby Gentle if I'm Robbie Geno governor of and the reason deliberate is right. I don't know how deliver I I think president trump is media savvy and the way say Madonna or lady. I don't mean that is insulting but more in six. I don't know how fought out these things are whenever he does something like this is <hes> supporters say this was genius and he planted <hes>. I'm not sure that's true but it may be that in their excess. Look Republicans are tired of being called racist and we have the it's overused at us and they don't they don't go after Joe Biden when he when he smeared Mitt Romney with that charge thing he wants black people in chains <hes> they don't go so we have the game now as Kyle Smith for National Review pointed out where we're gonNA spend the week asking ever Republican. Do you agree that that the president is racist. That's the media part piling on so I don't know what the ordinary American makes of it. I'm not sure it will be as damaging to try. I agree. I wouldn't say what he said. I you know it's it is unpresidential. I've I've heard variants reince across my life and so forth so I wish he didn't say but I'm not sure it's GonNa hurt him because his critics do seem to be crazier than he is Kim. Yeah I would just look I I spent a lot out of time and around people who are trump fans and I think it's worth noting that while that particular phrase go back from where you came from obviously has a historical context not all Americans. Are Aware of that historical context and <hes> I think for many many folks out there when they saw this -rupt what they saw was donald trump. He actually just came out with another tweet this morning where he said our our country is free beautiful and very successful. If you hate our country or if you are not happy here you can leave and I think a lot of Americans that's kind of what they heard. In the first round which is it was a throwback to all of those people remember every time a Republican is elected. They go. I'm going to move to Canada or I'm leaving for France. <hes> and I think that never leave never doing but that was what he was. I think that was what he was trying to list. I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just saying I think that was the attitude but that is certainly the way a lot of people ran three a famous bumper sticker. Love it or leave with a an American flag and a lot of that's how a lot of people feel and also some of the context which of course the media doesn't report is some of the stuff these women have said about America like like just just take one likening our border patrol officers to concentration camp guards is just really disgusting right and they and when and that happens you don't get the press going people saying wasn't that a disgusting thing wasn't a racist thing is only one. It's a Republican we're talking about Donald trump versus the squad and you're listening to Potomac Watch from the Wall Street Journal here the extraordinary secrets of how to thrive in a disrupted world old rules of management and already correct anymore so what works making heavy to the future will I am and Omar Bosch Subscribe I but wherever you get your podcasts from the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal this is Potomac Watch welcome back. I'm Paul Zhigo with Bill mcgurn and Kim Strassel talking about wow donald trump versus <hes> the four <hes> progressive women as he calls them and puts the progressive in quote marks <hes> the WHO <hes> <hes> he's been feuding with and <hes> what's going to be the fallout cam in your view from this resolution house resolution condemning Donald Trump's comments Kevin McCarthy the House minority leader Republican said the president's comments were not racist. I will be opposing the the resolution I assume most Republicans will will also oppose it although this is an attempt by Pelosi to essentially mouse trap at least a handful of Republicans and make them choose between trump and <HES> and opposition in a way that might hurt the election yeah well since we're quoting trump tweets he had yet another one today said those tweets were not racist. I don't have a racist bone in my body. The so-called vote to be taken as a Democrat con game. Republicans Republicans should not show weakness in fall under their trap. This should be a vote on the filthy language statements in lies told by the Democrat congresswoman so he's sort of setting it up to as we'll either trying to give comfort or sort of support to Republicans. We're GONNA vote. No I would wager that most Republicans in the house will vote against it and we'll have plenty of press stories that say what does that actually mean. They'll probably be a few senators. <hes> thinking here of Mitt Romney et Cetera who will vote for it <hes> and that we'll give another round of headlines but I think for whatever political gain Nancy Pelosi might get out of that vote <hes> and I'm not sure how much it will be. She's also putting herself. She's got a separate fallout which is the she is now. In a position of defending these women who just a couple of days ago <hes> the Mo- more moderate half of the party we're having real issues with <hes> and she's also got at least two of the women in this situation then <hes> Ilhan Omar and Rashid slave are now saying that trump's language is worthy of an impeachment boat and you're going to have. I don't think that's likely to happen but you're going to have renewed pressure on Pelosi to to get tougher on trump and do something the thing in the house and that's not somewhere Democrats want to go on the political fallout <hes> Bill I would note that <hes> axios The web publication had a story pointing out that the polls were showing that it especially among swing voters before the tweet <hes> barrage <hes> Alexandria Okaz Your Cortez and Illinois Omar were defining the Democratic Party in the eyes of some of these swing voters in other words. They were getting the impression about the radical nature of the Democratic <hes> of the of these people in terms of <hes> essentially open borders Medicare for all green new deal and so on so my question. For trump would be why. Did you want to insert yourself into into that. If that's the impression that they're building on their own right I agree with that. I think what you're referring to. I think actually got its hands on some internal Democratic Pole. Yes in the one I remember was a Alexandria. <hes> got got. The congresswoman got seventy four percent of these people they were mostly white working class. I think two years or less college education they knew who she was the which astonishing backbencher fresh pressure and congresswoman astonishing and but then it said actually like her twenty four percent so that was happening and I think for Illinois Omar it was a similar thing was something that fifty three percent knew who she was only nine percent percent liked her so I think the president strategy the idea of linking these people to the speaker is not a bad strategy. The question is did he need to do what he did the way he did it to pursue that strategy because you mentioned the vote look the votes kind of in a week it'll be forgotten right and people say Okay Democratic House in a few Republicans but it does put some it puts Republicans needlessly on the spot. I think Joni Ernst I expect maybe Mitt Romney to criticize trump. He's criticized but Joni Ernst said it was racist but she's senator for Senator from Iowa right running for reelection this service so you needlessly put this on your own people <hes> when you do that so I think the strategy may be sound but that doesn't mean the method chosen sound Kim. I got a lot of of <hes> <hes> emails from <hes> Friends of mine who are <hes> leading conservatives over the last few days income income personal conversations and they were really unhappy with this with the president's tweet one of them <hes> tweets and one of them said <hes> that <hes> these are never trumpers at all <hes> these are <hes> you know solid conservatives and who <hes> <hes> who would like the president to actually be reelected and their argument was that this was his version little too close to call declaring a lot of people namely immigrants deplorables and that that is a very bad strategy didn't work for Hillary and it's not going to work for trump. Well and trump should be careful there because he has used that deplorable line degrade effect and he's been right when he talks about how demeaning it was and it probably played a significant or an important role in his election and I think those emails that you're getting the reflective of another political reality you know we were talking about the polls that had to do with the white working class. These people were very instrumental to donald trump being elected in the White House very much is on a strategy of maximizing that vote and that turn out keeping those people on board and getting even more of them out for the the twenty twenty election but there's an equally important view vote of which is those swing voters in a lot of <hes> you know <hes> outside of urban areas <hes> their college educated <hes> they were the people that handed Nancy Pelosi the gavel in two thousand eighteen and you know albeit on the backs of some conservative or or sort of center left more conservative centre-left Democratic candidates they certainly did not run as progressives aggressives and this is Nancy Pelosi's problem. Is there a better face in this election than the progressives are but he he needs to keep these people aboard he needs to bring some of them back and they care very much about these media thaddeus stories than the claims of racism and question of immigration and so again the smart strategy is how do you make these people to face at the party without turning off a lot of these swing voters you need in the end and they want the president to be if not what an entirely unifying figure bill at least somebody who is <hes> reasonably admirable and they wanna be able to say that their children. That's the United States. We're not unnecessarily. Divisive is right and I think the president is shown moments moments. I thought you know when he did that parade. They were all attacking GonNa make it about me right and he gave a great speech really rousing speech a lot of people moved so there's an idea that you know the president came in with all S- noise and turmoil and that maybe he has these moments where he is presidential is given some good speeches that would be the way to solidifies move. What I wonder is if the president agrees with that what I wonder is if he's not calculating <hes> look? My negatives are still pretty high my one <hes> the last time because I drove Hillary's negatives up more than mine and if he's not planning that that's a strategy this time that he that the only way for him to win people aren't going to like them. They're not gonNA come around so that the only way to win is make this really now. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA find out in the next month so his strategy is I don't know that it is but it'd be make sense to say rather than be the kinder Gentler Donald Trump. I'm going to be the Donald Trump. I was last time well. This is the it's.

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