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Episode 135 The Danbury Raid

American Revolution Podcast

28:20 min | 8 months ago

Episode 135 The Danbury Raid

"Hello thank you for joining the American Revolution Today. Episode One thirty five the Danbury Raid Danbury Connecticut was a small inland village about twenty miles from the shore. The British had largely avoided Connecticut which was filled with Patriots. It's and did not have any strategically valuable cities. General Washington always in need of towns nearly action to serve as supply depots thought Danbury would be a good choice since it was not on the coast. It would not be subject to a naval attack. Its location was close enough to the expected fighting that would take place in upstate. New York later that year it was more than days March from the British lines. Around around the New York City area once it became a depot. Of course it did become a target for the British as we've seen over the last two episodes is in the spring of seventeen seventy seven. British officers were restless to begin offensive operations again. They had already rated peekskill New York Mark and bound Brook New Jersey now. Danbury Connecticut was in their sights leading the expedition was general. William Tryon we of course have heard from General Tryon many times in our story so far a quick refresher although his father was not an Aristocrat try and had come from a good family with connections to aristocracy in Britain he purchased a commission in Seventeen fifty one and served with distinction action in the seven years war. His wartime exploits allowed him to rise to lieutenant colonel by the end of the war after the war he was able to get an appointment as Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina thanks to family connections through his wife a year later when the North Carolina governor died tryon became promoted to royal governor himself. He almost immediately got into a conflict with the colonists as he attempted to enforce. The Stamp Act is conflicts with the colonists eventually led to the battle of elements that I discuss back in episode thirty five a few years after that. Try and got transferred to New York. Where as Royal Governor of that colony he got into even more conflicts? He took a hard line against the land dispute in the eastern part of the colony in doing so. He attempted to capture and execute the green mountain boys who were active in that region as we covered in episode thirty eight Governor Tryon had to return to London in seventeen seventy four when he came back to New York in seventeen seventy five. He found that politics had become so poisoned in the New York City that he had to live aboard ship in New York. Harbor Arbor. Patriots had taken over New York City when the British recaptured New York. In seventeen seventy six general. How kept the city? Under- martial law leaving little for trying to do as governor. Although he remained the nominal row governor of the colony try and return to his military routes to be of more use he helped to raise a loyalist militia and received a temporary commission as Brigadier General in Spring. Bring 1777 how gave him a temporary commission as Major General of the provincials in preparation for his new mission along with tryon general how signed to other Brigadier Generals with more regular army experience to support the raid. General James. Agnew had arrived live in Boston. As lieutenant colonel a few months after Lexington and Concord. I haven't really been able to find much information about agnew before. He came to America in seventeen seventy five. His grandfather was a barrier net but his father made the mistake of not being born. I and ed did not inherit title or lands. His father did get a military commission rising to the rank of major and James followed in his father's path off by joining the army. As I said I haven't been able to find his military records but having risen to lieutenant colonel without having lots of family we money or political connections must have meant that he was a pretty impressive officer. Agnew did not get much chance for distinction in America until the battle of Long Island a year after he arrived sometime after that he was promoted to Brigadier General and assigned command of his own brigade the third general for the mission was William Erskine like agnew he had a grandfather with title in this case a Scottish Scottish Lord and Pierre also like agnew his father had the problem of an older brother getting the family title and Land Earth kinds hinds father did manage to get a Gig as deputy governor of Blackness Castle in Scotland he also had a military career rising to Colonel Erskine joined his father's Regiment at the age of fourteen in time to serve in both the war of Austrian succession as well as the seven years war for service erskine rose to lieutenant colonel by the end of the seven years war and received a knighthood as well he shipped out to America as a staff officer with General Clinton in early seventeen seventy six after the battle of Long Island Earth's kind perhaps realized that Clinton's feud with General. How meant that serving under Clinton meant being sidelined in unimportant posts? He got himself transferred to serve. As Lord Cornwallis as quartermaster. Mr Erskine Accompany Cornwallis to Trenton. After the Americans captured the town he developed a reputation as a fierce fighter during the Forage War in New Jersey over the winter. Erskine was not in agreement with General House. View of treating rebels decently he developed to reputation of engaging in fierce combat and taking no prisoners in April. Seventeen seventy seven about the same time General Cornwallis Swiss preparing his raid on bound brook generals trion agnew and Erskine nine prepared for their own raid against Connecticut. Earlier general well how had received intelligence about the supply depot at Danbury from an Indian agent Guy Johnson. It would take at least two or three days to March British soldiers from their lines at New York City at another two or three days to March back that would give the Patriots too much time to react and organize an an attack on the column so instead they opted to cross the long island sound land at Norwalk Connecticut. And try to make a one day they marched to Danbury from there. Although General Tryon was really supposed to be the head of a provincial army the British were not really ready to trust. Trust the provincial forces with this raid how deployed about fifteen hundred regulars drawn from seven different regiments and another three hundred or so provincials essentials from the Prince of Wales American Regiment led by Montfort Browne. You may recall. That Brown was governor of the Bahamas captured during the continental continental navies raid there in March. Seventeen seventy six. He had been exchanged for captured continental general Lord Sterling and was now a colonel final commanding a regiment of loyalist provincials. Over although how had probably three thousand provincials under his command at this time the fact that he sent only three hundred on this raid to supplement the fifteen hundred regulars indicates the typical preference to rely on regular As much as possible with support the entire British contingent numbered over two thousand. They used twelve transport ships to bring the soldiers across Long Island. Sound along with a hospital ship at a number of other smaller ships. Long Island sound. The waterway between Long Island Island and Connecticut had been a problem for some time. Patriot raids across the water from Connecticut. had been a regular headache for the British. Also the British had fostered a black market trade across the sound trading hard currency and manufactured goods for food and raw materials. This trade was not allowed by either side but since the British needed the supplies they tolerate it. The trade also led to a group of outlaws. It was in pirates in the area. They controlled much of the coast. Any British raid would have to be a large one if only to prevent smaller groups of soldiers from getting attacked by criminal gangs on April twenty. Second the fleet left New York City. The British sent another fleet up the Hudson River as a diversionary force to confuse the Americans. If the British hope the movement by sea would be faster than marching to Connecticut they would be disappointed appointed. The fleet sailed up the East River to hell gate on the edge of Long Island. Sound on the first day there. The troops waited later to board ship for two days for strong headwinds to shift in the right direction. They finally set sail again. On April twenty fifth landing landing on the Connecticut coast between Norwalk and Fairfield around five pm that day it took hours to disembark all the men and supplies. The troops finally began their night March at around eleven pm by midday the following day. April twenty six. The column was at reading about nine miles from Danbury. The men were exhausted. They'd been aboard ship for nearly three days. Where sleeping was difficult at the best? Then they marched all day and all morning meeting even those who might be able to get some sleep aboard ship had probably been awake more more than twenty four hours straight and had marched about twenty miles already. Some accounts indicate that they may have arrested for a short time that night it but if they did it really was only for a few hours. The speed and surprise of the night March paid off with the fact that they had only face small scattered resistance from a few local militiamen. Nothing that really even slowed down the column. The town of Danbury itself had only about fifty continental soldiers and maybe a hundred militia in the area no match for the column headed their way by late afternoon. On the twenty sixth except the British reached Danbury the Americans had attempted to evacuate stores from Danbury ahead of the columns arrival but given even the short notice large amounts of supplies and lack of manpower. They had removed little before the British got to town. The British quickly scattered the Americans that were there seven riflemen inside a home. Attempted to hold off the British. However the regulars rush the house burn it down with the men still inside? They then set about destroying whatever they could find in addition to buildings. The British destroyed eight thousand barrels of food as well as tense shoes and other military supplies. They also burn at least ten personal homes by late that night the British had destroyed most of what they sought to destroy. It was dark and raining. The men were exhausted. The Army Camp Camp for the night with plans to complete the destruction the following day as the British had gone about their destruction that day word spread spread quickly across Connecticut. Patriots attempted to respond but most were too far away even as far away as peekskill New York. General Alexander McDougall deployed his continentals just in case. The British column attempted to March back overland to New York City for for the most part art the continentals and militia were too far away to react at Danbury. The largest group of soldiers nearby was at Fairfield a few miles up the coast from where the British landed the local militia commander General Gold Selleck Silliman of Connecticut militia received word of of the British landing during the night hours after the British had begun their march. Inland General Silliman quickly assembled a force of about five hundred militia and and one hundred continentals and set out in pursuit of the column later that same night probably more in the early morning hours of April twenty sixth word reached new haven where two generals received the news. General David Wooster. You may recall had been a commander at the Quebec. Oh Beck campaign. His continual battling with Benedict Arnold Philip Schuyler and other top officials had embittered him when Congress failed all to promote him or grant him command. It left Quebec to return to Connecticut putting aside his Continental Office of Brigadier in general and operating as a major general of the Connecticut militia. Also in town that same day was his old adversary Brigadier Media General Benedict Arnold. Arnold was also embittered having recently been passed over for promotion to Major General as several more junior brigadiers moved right past him up the ladder to Major General. Arnold had returned to Connecticut to deal with few personal matters by most accounts. He was then on his way to Philadelphia to tender his resignation to Congress. Whatever resentment these two generals harbored against each other or the continental congress on hearing the invasion both leapt on their horses and galloped towards the enemy the two generals caught up with Silliman and his soldiers? There's some time on the evening of the twenty sixth about the same time that try and his regulars were burning Danbury. The Patriots reached Beth. AL L. around eleven pm about two miles south of Danbury there. It was pouring rain. The leaders decided not to attack that night but planned a response for the following day Arnold and Selman took about four hundred soldiers to Ridgefield there. They would set up a defensive defensive position which the British would have to contend with on their march back to the coast. Although the Americans did not have enough men to defeat two thousand British British. They hoped at least to delay the column until more militia could reach the area on their way to Ridgefield. They met up with another hundred militia heading adding to the battle giving them total force of about five hundred. General Wooster took another two hundred soldiers to harass the enemy's rear as they marched back toward the coast back in Danbury General Tryon received word of the Patriot camp -ment and prepared to face them the following morning. The British column got on the move early knowing that delay only provided more time for Patriot militia to join the fight after the column got underway booster and his harassing force attacked the rear of the column they managed to capture about forty prisoners and escaped back back into the woods as the column approach. Ridgefield boosters force struck the rear again this time try and had supported his rear with three cannon that the British carried with the column. The Connecticut militia took cover and were reluctant to charge the Cannon General Wooster chastises men saying come on my boys never mind such random shots a few seconds later worcester took a random shot into his stomach democ. He had to be carried from the field and back to Danbury where he died from his wounds. Five days later the British column pushed onto Ridgefield. We're they encountered Arnold defensive force remember. The British still had more than three times as many soldiers as the Americans. tryon tried tried a direct assault on the town supported by artillery and with overwhelming force he had sufficient men that he could send flankers on both. Oh sides of the American lines at the same time Arnold remained on the front lines encouraging his men to hold the British targeted Arnold. They could not hit him but they manage to shoot his horse nine times. Has the horse collapsed. Arnold found himself trapped underneath his dead or dying Horse as he struggled to free himself a British soldier rushed up and said Arnold was his prisoner. Our responded not a yet and pulled out a pistol and killed the soldier he then managed to free himself and escape. The Americans rallied a few miles to the south joined by two militia artillery units. who had just arrived on the scene? The march became a smaller version of the return from concord where the British British column was taking potshots from behind every wall and tree more and more militia were arriving on the scene. Make it harder for Tryon's column to continue. Its March to the sea when they got within a few miles of their ships the naval commander waiting for them deployed a few hundred marines to assist west with withdraw. Arnold attempted to rally the militia to charge the marines. His attempts once again made him a target of the enemy. The British killed his new horse and also shot a hole through his jacket collar. Miraculously though Arnold himself remained unhurt. Seeing this horse Falbo convinced most of the militia to flee the field. Arnold had to get away himself to avoid capture with the Patriot Patriot militia scattered. The British column was able to reach the coast and board the ships where they could sail back to New York City. Although the raid successfully really hit its target and returned the British lost one hundred fifty four killed and wounded as well as another forty captured. The American suffered astimated twenty killed and eighty wounded. The heated response was enough to convince how and his successors not to attempt any further inland inland raids into Connecticut. One of those American deaths as I mentioned was general wooster who died a few days after the battle is last words were allegedly. I am dying but with a strong hope and persuasion that my country will gain her independence with that. He went from being an unpopular general to part of the honored dead in June. Congress voted to build a monument in his honor. They never got got around to building the monument though it would be nearly eighty years before the state of Connecticut caught around to making good on that promise. General Arnold's performance also rows support for him in Congress. They finally promoted him to Major General while the honorific was nice. It really didn't mean much in terms of command. Arnold went from being the most senior Brigadier General to being the most junior major general it. It did not change anything in the chain of command. Congress also awarded Arnold Ainu horse on the British side try and success led to a permanent command as Major General in America as well as a full colonel see in the regular army he also took command of British troops on long highland generals erse kind and agnew rejoin house main army and would ship off with the rest of the army as how began his Philadelphia off you campaign a few months later next week we will join Benjamin Franklin as he finally arrives in Paris. Hey thanks for joining the American Revolution podcast. After show this week I wanNA thank Tyson France once again for his part of the show. Tyson is now my longest supporter at the Robert Morris Circle Level and I very much appreciate his patronage Tyson. Jason Runs Liberty and company which sells all sorts of American revolution and founding of the country. Themed items if you're looking for t shirts magnets mugs classes whatever checkout liberty and dot co for some great items take advantage of free shipping adding and use the Code Amr of that's a. m. r. e. v. to save twenty percents on your order. Tyson has also volunteered to to help out with the logo and some other assistance for history can't Philadelphia which is coming on May second twenty twenty if you WanNa meet up with other history enthusiasts in the Greater Philadelphia area. You should plan to come to history camp. I will be volunteer speaker at the event along with dozens. Thousands of others giving great talks on a wide variety of history topics. Go to history camp dot org. For more details the Danbury raid that I covered today was another of the fairly minor raids that I've covered for the spring of seventeen seventy seven because they had a significance beyond the rates themselves selves. The Dan very rate had a particular impact on two generals that have discussed a great deal in our story so far. One of those generals is is David. Wooster I've been a bit down on general wooster. In many of my past episodes. He did not seem to get along with many of his fellow officers. There's and did not seem particularly happy with the way he was being treated. Never got over the fact that after being named a Brigadier General at the formation Mation of the continental army he never got promoted to major general although he was ranked number four in the continental army at its inception he watched thirteen other men get promoted past him even though he thought he should have started the war. As a Major General I've tended to portray wooster as a bit arrogant and perhaps thought better of himself and he really was. But that's probably not hard to say about any of the generals. He also did not do much. That was particularly impressive but one could probably say the same thing about many of his fellow generals who did get promoted promoted past him. In any event it's hard to attack a guy who regardless of the politics was willing to jump on his horse and ride bravely into you battle when needed even more so when he ended up fighting bravely in battle and in doing so gave his life for his country at the end of the day. You just can't be critical of a leader who sacrificed everything and remained loyal to the end. I wish I could say the same thing about the other brigadier ear who fought that day for the Continental Army General Benedict. Arnold was also frustrated by his lack of promotions. He certainly did have an amazing amazing combat leadership record but also saw himself passed by many arguably lesser generals like Worcester Arl also jumped on his horse. I and road bravely into battle that day just like he had many times before and after even despite his complaints with his fellow officers had arnold died at Danbury like Worcester did we would've remembered arlt as one of the best combat generals of the war. His heroics on this day would result in him finally getting that promotion to major general and he would go onto perform many more heroics that were critical to the outcome of the war as he would fight in many more battles in the years ahead but Arnold did not die at Danbury or in any of the future battles he fought in he would go on to commit treason at the highest level and go down in infamy as a result I hope. That's not a spoiler for anyone. In any any event Danbury was another one of those great battle moments for General Arnold before he reached his final and very disappointing conclusion. Asian in any event. If you wanna read more about the Danbury raid. This week's book recommendation is call to arms the Patriot militia Russia. In the seventeen seventy seven British raid on Danbury Connecticut. I Stephen Darlie. This is one of the few books around that focuses just on on the Danbury raid. It's not really a narrative it's more a collection of biographies of the People Involved and short stories about the events events that surrounded the raid. Much of it is also reprinted. Primary documents such as pension applications of the men involved in the raid. If you're you're looking for some gripping read and exciting narrative this may not be the book for you. It's more a compilation of records with a little commentary. The book is relatively short at less than three hundred pages. Total and was first published in two thousand fifteen the author Steven Darlie is as an amateur historian. Who spent most of his life working in another field and took up writing in retirement? He's written two other books involving the revolution. All three involve events where benedict. Arnold was a key player. Mr Darlene is also active in several historical organizations in Connecticut. So if you're looking for more on the Danbury raid take a look at call to arms for my online recommendation this week. There is an older e-book on archived dot org called an account tryon's raid on Danbury by James Case this this is a short booklet from nineteen twenty seven presumably released for the One hundred fiftieth anniversary of the battle. It's only fifty six pages pages long and includes a biography of general booster. If you want more details than I gave in this episode today but are not looking to buy a whole book. This is a relatively short and free e book. That might be a good solution for you. You can look up the book by searching. For an account of tryon's Ryan's raid on Danbury on archive dot org or simply use the direct link on my website at am REV PODCAST DOT com. Well that's all for this week. I hope you will join me again next week. For another American Revolution podcast.

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Coronavirus and the Democratic Primary

Trumpcast

39:37 min | 7 months ago

Coronavirus and the Democratic Primary

"Hello slate listeners. Do Favor and help us make a better slate by answering our survey it'll only take a few minutes. You can find it at slate dot com slash survey. You know the idea that Donald Trump said just several days ago this was the Democratic Cokes and wedding God's name talking about what in God's name is he talking about has he no shame the idea that this is not a pandemic that this is not worldwide. That is not going to get worse. Doesn't mean we're GONNA die but it's GonNa get worse is absolutely bizarre. You know we're dealing with involving situation with dealing with clearly an emerging infectious disease that is now reached outbreak proportions and likely pandemic proportions. The administration has had months to prepare for this. And it's unacceptable. That people in my state and nationwide can't even get an answer as to whether or not they are infected. Hello and welcome to trump cast. I'm Virginia Heffernan. So Mayor Pete is out the great. Amy Klobuchar is out and Elizabeth. Warren is. Let's face it. Powering down warrants too good for US anyway. We Americans schmucks with our sick. Dear Leader. Rally is are surging. Racism and are weird tweets. We just don't deserve a real leader and we're not getting her. That leaves us the Geezers Biden and Bernie on Super Tuesday. You know I was thinking today. Wish there were less data and more like those folksy mid-century axioms in today's election prognostication like the whole as goes Minnesota so goes the nation or you vote for the guy you want to have a beer with or maybe something more intense like. Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods or an election is immoral horror as bad as a battle except for the blood a mudbath for every soul concerned in it or maybe. Abe Lincoln elections belong to the people. He said it's their decision. If they decide to turn their back on the fire and burned their behinds then they will just have to sit on their blisters yet tell him EIB I know we have one. Maximum that's foolproof. This time around. It always always works in American politics and this year is no exception ready. It's really melodious and rhythmic. Never elect the woman just never ever elect the woman. I can't remember if it was Chelsea handler or H L Mencken. Who said that? Or if it's just the wisdom of the ages but I know that when the mayor of the fourth largest city in Indiana gets more votes for president than to jaw dropping Lee accomplished and charismatic. Us senators well. Gender is in play and when an ancient do-nothing shouting revolutionary gets more votes by far than the powerhouse Elizabeth. Warren will you know how I feel about? Bernie Still California if you're listening vote. Joe Biden my guest today to talk about none of this but just pandemic preparedness and actually he does touch on the relationship between corona virus. And the primary is Dr Greg Dworkin. He's a daily cost contributing editor and the chief of pediatric pulmonologist and medical director of the pediatric inpatient unit. At Danbury Hospital in Danbury I can think of no better person to talk to about corona virus. He has an excellent bedside manner. I'm going to ask him on. Trump cast basically to come to the side of the bed of the nation. Wipe eyebrows with a cool cloth and give it to US straight DOC. Welcome Greg thank you It's a huge pleasure to have you. Here I only really know you. From the Deafening pounding music that plays in the nightclub that is twitter. It's a great place to meet people and You know it's it's wonderful because it just allows you to touch base with experts so it's an incredible learning machine. It really is. I had the honor of having my German corrected by the former president of Estonia today to invest and. I was just like you know in that. This website is free mode That I can't believe we can all go to twitter dot com and meet people like former presidents of Estonia. And you dem from Connecticut. Not only a astute opining on politics but also the chief of pediatric pulmonologist it Addenbrookes Hospital in Denver Connecticut Which is kind of awesome combination in quite Apropos for our conversation today about Corona virus. It is an interesting conversation And I have a lot of different hats at one point A decade ago. I was working very hard on pandemic preparedness with HHS and CDC hand At times I'm a doctor at times On politics at times A media critic and it turns out all of those things are relevant right now. That's right so you're the ideal guest. Maybe I can just ask you. An open ended question. Sure what are we? We're among friends. Okay exactly just just between us. What should we make of this? I'm one of those with a tendency to under react to threats of disease and that has as many downsizes hypochondria I might add. But what should we do? I've seen everything from crazy. Lists that say. I need a lot of canned goods to treat it like the flu. Don't do that okay. So let me try to put this in a little bit of perspective and my feeling always is no meadow kind of numbers. You give people. You really have to give somebody narrative. I think you'd appreciate that being the writer that you are and so let's talk a little bit about this situation and references to things. We already know if that sounds fair and I wrote this morning is that we talk a little bit about flu when we're talking about corona virus because flu is something we're familiar with. Corona virus is different. But it's not that different and humans need a framework to compare so corona virus influ and it turns out. Seasonal flu is pretty bad actually but people kind of prices in to their normal average every day risk assessment. Ica You may remember president trump saying. Oh my gosh sixty thousand people. A year die from flu. I didn't know that. And that's actually a pretty normal reaction when you tell folks that yeah because sixty thousand people a year die from flu and you didn't know that either and yet people price influ. I'm used to flu. It happens every year. No big deal sixty thousand. But I'm not one of them so you know so what It turns out corona virus. Isn't knocking off that number of people yet but it might because it's easier to catch them flew and It's probably a bit more deadly than flu. Although it's not the nineteen eighteen flu pandemic which is the other end of the spectrum that you could compare it to so the way I like to think about it. As first of all the doctors and the scientists in the public health people look at it one way and the public looks at it a different way. But if you're in charge if your Tony FAO CI or if you're what Mike Pence role is supposed to be you have to look at it both ways you have to look at it at the way the public health experts look at it and the which is but you also have to look at it the way the public doesn't so you have to balance letting people know that this is something that's GonNa get worse before it gets better but it's not so bad that it's going to be the movie contagion. Okay got it. That actually does kind of clarify for me started the scale of this now as for the sixty thousand people. I think I've known that number at various times but I've known that on a narrative level because periodically. You know someone I know knows someone or it's one degree of separation from someone who's died of the flu and then it brings it into into great relief when I always tell people. Look what makes it? A bad flu season is if you get it right right. If you don't get it it was a. It was a great flu season. Care with numbers. Every yeah yeah I mean that's interesting that you say that you say that it's baked in. Or what did you say it's factored in I guess for decision-making price then yes and that brings me to the market so it does perpetually surprised me that the first response we have to news of a pandemic Or maybe maybe the second response after it gets out of China is not to hug our loved ones or even to wash our hands but to sell all are stuck. I don't think this happened during the black death. You have to have stock to sell stuff that's rate but little lots of US have 401k's or small investments and among the things. That would seem to be proactive to do kind of messing around with your investments. I it just. It's this kind of The election of trump would seem to augur more about end times than the appearance of SARS lake new virus. And yet we're acting like this. One is much more significant than even all the bad things that have happened in the past four years. Okay but again. Let's put this in perspective Imagine if you will that you're not looking at the effect of the market on predicting the end of the world but rather and I'm not getting stock advice I don't know anything about it but step back and say look the people who are trying to figure out how you companies are GonNa do apple or a cruise lines Are Trying to figure out what it means if there's disease overseas and how does it affect my company my earnings so if I am a airline company that sells airlines? That may or may not have any impact. Because we're talking long term but if I am a travel company I have a feeling right now. cruise ships to. Iran are not a popular thing to try and sell. Yes so if that happens to be your company you're GonNa take a hit. But what if your apple and you make stuff and all this stuff is made in China. There's all these stories and pictures about the Long Beach California and how it's empty now. The container ships usually come there. And now they're not and so that's going to have an impact on your company so when you think of it that way. It's not surprising that the stock market which has nothing to do with the actual economy Is going to draw. Yeah I mean that that seems absolutely right I just read this morning and maybe you can tell me if this is disinformation. Should BE RE checked but not only are you know. So many consumer goods made in China but eighty percent of the ingredients in our medicine here are made in China if the disease and the cure exists you know in China. That's troubling but you're thinking about it logically okay and I'm going to use a different analogy. I said that he sometimes have to think about corona virus like we're the flu because at least fluid something. We're familiar with now. Let's talk about predicting the future and I'm going to compare this corona virus story to the Democratic primary. Okay that's weird. Why would you do that? We'll look at it this way. Last week. There was a front runner this week. As of Saturday is a completely different narrative. Now talking about Joe the comeback uncle and things change but what about all the stuff you said last week. Isn't it like are you? Changing your mind will snap at him. Changing my mind is at things changed. Things change over time and The results from South Carolina are not the results from Iowa's once you have that information it's good to change your perspective about what you think is going on. We've moved from the very beginning. Where Joe is the front runner to Bernie is really strong position to it's really situation where? Bernie's and strong position but it could be a brokered convention or a or a contested one and nobody knows nothing. And we'LL HAVE. It's true and it's not because we got it wrong last week so if you're thinking of okay what are the numbers of Corona virus? Here in the country. How many cases do we have? Is it last week? You said that trump said in his His A press conference. That was only ten. But actually now there's well over seventy yet. There may even be estimated hundreds if not thousands of cases including Washington state. Where a lot of this is going on. And why are those numbers changing Well again let's go back. The politics ever seen a poll. Have you ever seen a poll in the cross tabs? Have you ever seen somebody take the same numbers in interpreted differently? Have you seen those polls change over time? The numbers inform our narrative but then narrative is really not fixed and so the narrative has to change and keep up. And so. That's what we're trying to do with this corona virus situation and I hope that makes sense. It absolutely makes sense. I'm I'm going to add to it. You said that you know the the numbers and form the narrative the narrative form sour reading the numbers. Or what happens to the numbers? So for instance as with the primary the predictions become part of the event. So whatever You mentioned Anthony. Fauci right He's the American immuno immunologist. Who's an expert in in in many ways on expert infectious diseases and not CDC? He has lent his voice to this and other more responsible or informed people have talked about this and then of course. There's been sort of Gobbledygook from Mike Pence and Donald Trump. And the idea. That if you're speaking you're supposed to be reassuring markets or ensuring your election and secretary as our don't forget him yeah so yes exactly or You know taking a nice opportunity. Like Don Jr. to take a big bite out of the lips or whatever. Those as motivations for speaking don't tend to generate excellent data. You are absolutely right. And that's one of the things that's frustrated me so much about the if you will risk communication that the trump administration is currently the Wednesday press conference. The Saturday press conference were awful. Wednesday was an F. Saturday was probably a D. minus only because it wasn't as bad as Wednesday. But you can't have somebody like Mike Pence who has no not to tell the truth and get out there and try to convince you stuff that you know is wrong and then exp expect that you're going to believe any else he says and so that has been a problem for example at a major issue which was challenged during the press conference on Saturday. I'm recalling this right and everything blows together when you have the events One after the other but he was challenged on his record on public health in Indiana which wasn't great in terms of not approving in a timely manner needle exchanges to help repented age. Hiv AIDS epidemic in Indiana and That's the kind of thing that makes him not the Best Messenger for this further politicians Look look at what they do for a living. They tend to exaggerate and make promises. They can't keep so when you have a politician in the situation of telling the truth which is what you want here. Right there suspect. So how does that play out it makes? Hhs Secretary as are a little afraid of trump's wrath if he sounds alarmist so anybody had CDC like Nancy Messenger or or And shook it. Who says look? This is an if it's when it's going to be and we just have to see how bad he gets mad at them doesn't allow them to speak and cuts them out and pushes as our an HHS to make decisions based on that narrative of it's not that bad we're going to contain things and the end result is we have terrible decisions about the testing and mistakes made in terms of Not Seeing that. We're not just trying to keep the virus out and therefore we have beef up the borders. We also have to do surveillance to see what happens when it's here and we're else it is. That's exactly a situation where the narrative pushed the numbers and the numbers were artificially low because it fed a narrative if we take out the voices of self interested parties. This is impossible but this is an effort to imagine us as people as purely biological instead of anthropological and we track every epidemiology. It seems has more predictive power than some other discourses like political science And we know something about how move. And if they indeed as Dr Phil says turn into pandemics and quote outbreaks. So what would happen if we did? Virtually nothing if we went about our lives. Treat it like a bad flu and you know would it. Spread to everyone and three percent of the of the population would die. Would it what would happen? Well what would probably happen to the best that we know is that over the next year and these numbers come from Mark Lipsett? She's a wonderful epidemiologists Who Works at Harvard and has talked about this over the course of the next year. Forty to seventy percent of the population would probably get this virus but it would be really mild like people get the colds for most people. It's just that when you're talking about that scale. Even if the case fatality rate of two percent those who get the virus do present die even if that's too high and it probably is And it's lower than that Seasonal flu zero point. One percent has already talked about that. Sixty thousand deaths a year. And that's a lot so if it's higher than that that means more than that per year in this country and that's to me kind of a big deal even though it's not panic time There is a burden on the health system. When stuff like that happens. Of course it's going to hit the poor the hardest. They don't necessarily have healthcare even if you do if you're afraid to go because either somebody's going to deport you or because there's a copay you can't afford. You may delay care so all of these things snowball and the bottom line is emergency rooms become overcrowded as it is with flu season. If you'RE GONNA add a second worst flu season to the already bad flu season then you get emergency rooms. They can't cope with the heart attacks and and car accidents and the other stuff their bill to do so it has a ripple effect throughout the health system. They just hurts everybody. So that's why it's a big deal although a death or are another second death like in Washington state is far more dramatic than those sorts of numbers so speaking of emergency rooms and I think about the way kind of wealth the way after nine eleven or the way during aides that that during the height of the AIDS epidemic that sort of new kinds of ways of taking care of people Emerged and You may have seen sad. Some family pride thinking through the Spanish flu the F- The the first influenza almost exactly one hundred years ago My grandfather was in the navy for World War wine and stationed in Bermuda. Where you can imagine? He didn't see a lot of combat but he did set up a hospital very very religious. Catholic duck doing good. They're exactly he. He set up a hospital to treat every people with with influenza. The story goes basically everyone got it except him the doctor and the nurses they were protected by God. Some some of it is amazing to me how doctors like yourself move to think about how you can help. And there's something strange that happens where doctors seem. Maybe I'm just being superstitious. But they seem disproportionately not get the thing. Is that just because you're super cautious? Is it because General? You're in good health or am I just do. I just have my numbers wrong. Well you know I it depends upon the illness if you think about SARS which really hit big in Toronto in a user correct somewhere around two thousand and three that was a nosocomial infection that is to say it went through hospitals and it was the healthcare workers in particular. They were hit hardest. Oh and that was a corona verse. And why did that travel most in hospitals? Will it turned out? It wasn't all that infectious but it was infectious enough and at the beginning if you didn't realize that this is something you were dealing with something. That would not have a two percent fatality rate but a ten percent fatality rate needed and realize that. That's what you were dealing with. You didn't take proper precautions and didn't use the proper personal protective equipment. Ppe's in the trade Then you're GonNa get exposed and you were going to expose other people and the next thing you know you have a hospital based infection and that's bad hospital ban so What happened with SARS is? That's how kind of worked and so it was the doctors and nurses in the front line. That were that were the most exposed other illnesses are Look if you take normal precautions. Universal precautions we call them and wash your hands a lot and you know do those sorts of things. You can protect yourself. I'd like to tell you that doctors are better at washing their hands than regular folks. But that's not true. Nurses are And so what happens is if you take those universal precautions you can decrease your risk a little bit as pediatricians we get because we already had everything right now because it doesn't seem to be and we don't know why kids aren't getting that affected it doesn't mean they're not infected it just means that they're not getting affected and maybe I mean here's a complete speculation without any data. There are other corona viruses that caused the common cold. And maybe kids sick all the time in that Protection last couple of years so the kids get it but by the time to get to be an adult. It's worn off and so you get very sick at just one explanation but if the kids don't get it then the pediatricians don't get when the kids do You know schoolteachers have had everything that is incredibly interesting especially in light of the fact that people have called attention to the closing of schools in Japan and that the possibility that the schools will close in the US or maybe an affected area slip. And not just that. Yeah all right. Let's go back to two thousand nine. Okay the pandemic flu preparedness. We were doing for that pandemic that hit that year. Okay and the way the federal government. His organized is kind of different mindsets. There's the National Response Framework which really from nine eleven and two thousand and one kind of dictates how you respond to emergency but different agencies had have different mindsets. This is something people don't usually think about. But when you get exposed to it it kind of hits you in the face. So there's The d h s kind of thinking which is more military football you know. Everything's organized chain of command. Who is the incident commander that sort of thing and then there's the HHS which is much more the the individual loan Doctor House? Marcus Welby and the and if you stick them in the military. How does that work? What do you get get Mash right right? And and and so to a certain extent the interface between those two mindsets is difficult to manage. Unless you've practiced doing it and so what happens is for a big giant response that the government plans that kind of interface needs work and so back in two thousand seven two thousand eight two thousand nine. We did exactly that happens. If we get a really bad pandemic would he would schools and turns out. That's a very difficult question to answer. Which is a long way of saying? Maybe Japan's not doing it right. We don't know for example whether or not kids are getting sick. And they're the vector and if you close schools that means the parents have to deal with the kids who are home. Would you do with them? If the teenagers they go to the mall so it's the same thing what have you done? And if it's little kids you gotta stay home and take a day off of work which you may not have the ability to do. Maybe you don't have a family leave or sick lever or or this or that so closing schools is a really fraught thing and we know this not because the doctors figured it out but because the emergency managers help to figure it out and that's why you need all hands team approach to try to figure out how to approach these things now. That Japan has done this. That's fine but was it really the smart thing that it really do anything. We don't know it's certainly going to affect the economy if you do something like that because people again at worker going to be affected if you can do it social distancing we call it and as name. That's a great thing but everybody's in that situation and so if you can do what's called containment which is not to stop disease but slow it down. Then you give the work force including the employers a chance to figure out. What level of social distancing are they capable of? And what can they do so that when it comes to something like that we are a little bit better prepared and sorry for the soapbox but that's the kind of stuff we ought to be doing now. That pence and the guys speaking aren't giving people a chance to do it. Keep Minimizing A. When did they find out things like you just mentioned this idea that the kids might might or might not be a vector in which case schools could begin to drive or drive corona virus? When do we find like I know that? So far as you mentioned the disease has seems to be less severe in children or the virus is less virulent children. But this this idea of children being a vector how to how to epidemiologists even begin to to figure that out and also as you say. We're rolling along. We've got an economy we've got to that. We have to get free getting their education. You know I was thinking well I might be able to take the day off but I definitely cannot home school and so things are rolling along. We should find out at least if you know if school is before we even imagine social distancing or figured out it'd be nice to know where transmission is happening. You need the data and in order to do that. You have to have proper testing and surveillance right now. The testing that we're doing as little as we're doing and it's inadequate has been for diagnostic purposes. But it hasn't been surveillance it isn't you know how many people in this community you're sick and how many people are well. It's you look like you may have symptoms. I better check you. Yes you do no you. Don't that's not the same thing so we're just now only getting up to speed in how to do the diagnostic testing but it has to be expanded beyond that to do surveillance that we have a better idea of. What's happening in the community? And that's where the epidemiologist and the CDC teams really come in and try to put the fire out by figuring out case contacts. Were who sick right now. But then they expand beyond that and say okay. What's going on in the community and we're behind the eight ball because we should have been doing this a month ago when it was clear that China was having an issue in the first place. The very first moment that happened we should have been starting to prepare for it. So what I? Sometimes I just want to skip all the tools of of prognostication and just get to. What do you think is going to happen? Like what are you? What's your what's your theory of the case. My theory of the case is that it's going to not burn out and turn into a fifth corona virus that we get every season we already have four and they caused the common cold. Nobody cares but the maybe fifth went. There may be a flu season that that happens between September and April and that may be what we're stuck with an era too. Yeah it occurred to me during hurricane. Sandy in New York. This is the This is the new normal. Exactly and that there's that it's that it's seasonal and we can. We don't know that that's our hope. But we don't know that that the two thousand and nine pandemic started over the summer and hidden September before things even got started when it came back in a second wave. Eighteen eighteen came back and waves. It's flu it's not corona virus this corona virus waves. We don't know so. Is it going to go away and warm weather? We don't know and there's so much that we don't know that it's very difficult to look ahead and say well. This is what's going to happen. We can certainly talk about what could happen. But then again we can also talk about what we do know and what we do know is we need to do better surveillance that we can start answering some of these questions and we need better. Data from countries like China whose numbers. Frankly we don't completely trust because they have a a good record of telling us stuff and a good record of not telling us stuff and so we don't know that For example I we getting all the numbers out of China including the people. Who aren't that sick or only only telling us about the sequence we don't know right And there's there's some recent data today suggesting maybe there's a lot more people there who were ill so it's a much bigger infection and yet they're not as sick and that'll bring the How many people die number down which is good and we don't know or is it early and so we don't know what the death rate will be because it takes a while for that show up. That's what's happening in Korea right now. South Korea so we don't know with a new infection. What's going to happen a month from that? We want to just like we want to know the results of the primary tomorrow. We WanNA know it today. And that's why I keep using the political analogy. There's a lot of uncertainty that we have to manage and that's one of those uncertainties that we're kind of used to so. I'm just trying to put that in perspective but what. I'm trying to say though. There's a huge framework for this and a lot of this work has been done Tony Fouled. She was absolutely right when he said that. It's not that we're starting from scratch. We did this ten years ago. We have a pretty good idea of the framework. But there's a lot of the you know it's like having a good plan for the football team but we didn't have any practices and so on that first day everybody's GonNa look a little bit awkward. Yeah I maybe have been the only one but I was somewhat reassured by by Michael Bloomberg relatively fact free ad which is basically to say he'd be much better at handling something like this then the current president but just because he listed the diseases that had come to New York where I live where when he'd been mayor just even being reminded of West Nile. Re being reminded that we've done this before. And that if you read decent sources if you talk to people use scientific method up to and including admissions that they don't know right that there's gaps in what we know. I don't WANNA be reassure rate like the market or a trump voter. I don't want a simple reinsurance. The truth right. Yes you want the truth. Just tell the truth. I'd also like to know and I think our listeners would to how we can not to get too corny but be of service in this time so I I mean is there. What are you and your colleagues? Doctors Doing Addenbrookes hospital and and and what are other professionals planning to do? And do you have a setting? That's like SARS is coming and this is why we need new protocols. Well the professional Response is a little different because a lot of it is invisible. It's standing up these emergency operations centers. Remember I mentioned. There's this national framework that the. Hsen so what you have is a operation center which is staffed by professional emergency managers and part of their job is to interface between the docks and the first responders police and the Risk Management Risk Communication Messenger people so that messages can be crafted that therefore will help. Let me just give you a quick example. my friend. Jj mcnabb is reporter. Who follows a lot of the three percenters and and militia folks? So I happened to follow her on twitter. Given example of Experience she had with one of her friends just like in the last twenty four hours. This was in Maryland. And what happened? Is that Some people felt a little ill and will worried about corona virus and the message they got from there. provider was We don't have the facilities to test for this virus. Go to the hospital and the message from the hospital was if you're not that sick don't come here. Go Talk to your provider. And that's common. That happened early on in two thousand nine as well see you have to stand up that Operation Center. Get everybody in the room and say look. This is the message we're going to have. We're going to tell everybody. Don't see anybody if you're worried. Well you don't have to go see your doctor. Just get sick in the waiting room and if you are sick. Here's what you need to do. If you have shortness of breath cough fever and feel bad enough that you have to see somebody go to the emergency room but call ahead so that they'll know to expect you. Don't go to your doctor. They're not equipped to handle it You know that kind of thing but that has to be system by system in other words. Your system has to agree that that's going to be the message and everybody has to say the same thing. And that's how you help the public by whoever you call everybody's going to tell you the same thing and that's a really helpful thing. What's bad is if you call and you get nine different messages now. You don't know what to do now. You mad at everybody and so you have to anticipate that and fix it in advance so that that doesn't happen. That's what you have to do. At the professional level at the individual level go to social media. Find the reporters you trust. I can name names and follow them and then go ahead and look at the CDC and reputable sites. And don't get your information from Bob's corona virus page or are from Who's the you probably saw that the Jim What was his name. The Baker that you know the televangelist who went to jail for all is selling a You know kind of panacea that will cure all corona virus for ninety nine or whatever. Don't drink bleach. Don't drink the stuff that's not going to help you go to. Cdc and other places like that. Go to your local health department because Remember Public. Health is a local thing. It's a state and local situation In Seattle King County and the Seattle Group or one of the best in the country with New York City Mayor Bloomberg can afford to say that because his New York City Health Department is one of the best in the country. Yeah you say his because you think the mayor's do have an influence on well. They credit they take credit. Yeah exactly The it it does seem though that now we're in a mayor friendly period of thinking about governance that local local politics local that that mayors are you know are maybe be good to turn to. They tend not to be climate deniers or purveyors of misinformation. And they're familiar with the with the hospitals So one's local mayor mayor's office in news maybe Another place to turn I. Have I know everyone is is recommending the CDC site? We'll you away one of my fears if I'm not a HYPOCHONDRIAC virus. I'm a HYPOCHONDRIAC. Disinformation and we know that the CDC has had a all kinds of very useful language purged from it including vulnerable and and language associated with. I don't know what to say with humane treatment of people suffering from diseases. How about that and And that worries me because I mean why do we know that the CDC is giving out good information so let me just Answer a question with a question because I was raised. And so what kind of information are you doubting? Is it statistical information? Cdc probably has the base data. There you can always go to European. Cdc CDC in double check and see if it's the same stuff that's one way to do it Or you can just use European CDC altogether or the British health service or something. You know it depends. Are you looking for information? I'm saying to your listeners. About whether or not peril or other brands of Hand sanitizer actually work. You can find that on C. D. C. They have a whole page about the science of whether or not to use hand sanitizers and the answer is if it's over sixty percent alcohol. It should help. But you're better off washing your hands. But that's the kind of information reliable science information you can get from. Cdc Okay if you're talking about What is the latest number of people who have been affected slash infected? That's going to be very slow. You're probably better off getting that from the media and the reason it's low is because things have to go through almost a committee in order to get on CDC pages and in a real life situation where stuff is breaking and happening all the time. It's too slow to look at that to get up to date information and feel confident about it so it depends upon what kind of information you're looking for the two two things. I strongly to take away from this era. We are yet. We'RE NOT TO END TIMES. But nor should we nor should we not wash our hands? How about washing? Your hands is a great thing to do. Even you don't have a pandemic and if you just get a little bit more Here's what I would suggest Next time you shop pickup something extra. Maybe an extra peanut butter maybe to keep one for yourself just in case. Donate the food back because they're going to need help to. These are great ideas. Thank you so much for being here. Greg. It's it's really really great to talk to you voice to voice. It's been a pleasure. Dr Greg. Dworkin is a daily cost contributor and a pediatric pulmonologist and medical director of the Pediatric Inpatient Unit at Danbury Hospital in Danbury Connecticut. That's it for today's show. What did you think? Let us know on twitter. We live there part time. It's like a time sharing condo. I'm at page eighty eight. This show is at real trump cast and then go over to slate dot com slash trump cast plus and become a slate plus member. We love our advertisers here. But how great would it be not to get ads at all just to let trump cast an olive? Slates PODCASTS role. On free of interruption. You can get that all the slate podcasts AD free and so much more for only thirty five dollars for the first year festival. You'll have that moral high ground. 'cause you're supporting our work. Go TO SLATE DOT COM slash trump cast. Plus our show today was produced by Phil Circus and Melissa Kaplan and engineered by Merit Jacob. I'm Virginia Heffernan. 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Computer Talk 4/27/19 Hr 2

Computer Talk with TAB

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Computer Talk 4/27/19 Hr 2

"And. This is computer talk with tab hosted by Eric Semel of Tom computer system interact with Eric Ed his guest by phone at five to two WTI one eight hundred nine six six WTI mail them in the studio at get help at Tavak dot com or get help anytime at computer talk with tab dot com. Now, here's Eric good morning. This is computer chocolate tab. I'm Eric and I'm Bob in Baba's. Bob Cherie is an MCSE tab comes in and helps me out with your computer problems comments questions and concerns the full board here this morning. So let's get right to your calls without any further ado as it were. Let's go to Danny and Glastonbury resident groupie what's up, Danny? When I got my tablet, my my s to it just had the regular Email on it. I guess it's the Samsung Email. And so I put up my Email address. And when I set up everything, and then I realized what I really wanted was g mail like I had on my old tablets. So I got a g mail, and I put the same Email address. So for a while ever since I get an Email if I Email goes to both accounts like duplicates. Okay. So back on the sixteenth of this month got a Google security alert. And it says Email Samsung Email was granted access to your Google account checks activity, and then when I did that it said someone logged in granted access that was somebody near Danbury, Connecticut. If do you recognize that click? No. And then they told me that you know, somebody had gotten into my Google account through the Samsung Email. So I followed the procedures for that to get the the take the account back. And then I got a security alert that's up that your password was changed. Well, that's because I followed the first step and change the past where he asked me if that was me, and it was and then it says your Google count. Then again, another one you Google account with recovered successfully. Okay. So now after I did that I thought I was all right, but three or four times a day. I would get to a little ping and then within the same minute. I get another ping that somebody tried to access my my Samsung Email, and you know, apparently, they didn't didn't. 'cause I changed the password they were going through the Google account, but I can't receive or send any emails from the account now. From the. Yeah. From the this the fam- sung account since the sixteenth of April. Nothing's been able to send or receive a just just disable the account. Samsung account, you don't need to use that. So you're Danny at Samsung dot com. No, I'm something else will have been saying are you at Samsung? No, I'm I'm a different name at a g mail, but it comes to this. It's it comes to the Samsung account too. Let's just the Samsung mail client, right haven't Samsung doesn't have a mailbox for you. I didn't think that a mailbox. All right. So you're at g mail. I'll mad g mail. Okay. But it comes to this device female that was on the tablet load on tablet, 'cause when I looked at in the settings it can't uninstall, I can only disable it can disable the Samsung Email, you want us one run the g mail client. I think you're just talking about. We've got two things confused. You're not getting E mail from Samsung, you're using a Samsung mail client, right? Okay. And then you've got a little of the red M, which is your Google client right for but both are for the Google account. So you wanna make a very difficult passer for that g mail account. What was it? That. So I think you're good. Would you should enable us to factor? Now. I don't think you have a cellphone. They're do. All right. So if you ever get a cell phone, you can add to factor in -cation phone, but it's a fourteen year old Motorola whip foam. It doesn't get text or anything. So that won't work duct taped on g Google does sell these little little keychain devices that can allow for two factors. Why security things you could try that? If you want to add more security or just again, make sure that your password is really really worried about the security 'cause I haven't seen anything weird happening anywhere else on my thing. I just thought I'd disabled this just so it wouldn't be 'cause they still get these little things at somebody's still trying to access it. Right. And would just, you know, just say, no. Close the door on that. Now works for me too. Yeah. Yeah, you're good. Okay. And with the Elon Musk you were talking about earlier about tesla and stuff I just bought some more tesla yesterday at a rather Friday at two hundred thirty one dollars. It's been down a ton. But Jack up ten after I bought it. He's going to recover. You're good. There's a lot of folks that are kind of tired. Gun in for him. He's kinda he's kinda like the Barnum. Bailey of the Barnum Pt Barnum of the world here. He promises a lot over promises under delivers and people getting tired of it the big starship. He has done in Texas areas. Spaceport? I mean, here's the thing. Kind of thing. That's basically a bunch of tin cans put together that he says is the the big rocket with a motor on it. And he's done some some power tests. But it's really just like a mockup simulation of imitation of the body of it. And yeah, he does have the Barnum and Bailey in them. The best. Yeah. The the the stock became a bargain fest couple of days. We'll see what happens. Good luck to you. Emails that I never read does that take up any space on my tablet. I've never opened them. And I just didn't get rid of him. Oh, it does. Okay. All right. Thanks for his broad Lieven. Thought he was moving out account. He will be he's he's ready to go. Go tomorrow if you could. You mentioned that. And I wanted to not yet. The go, right. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. Thanks a lot. All right. Let's get on to Ed in wallingford next morning. Ed. Good morning. Question Mark recommendations, I want to get rid of the Comcast modem, which cost thirteen bucks a month. I know isn't it? Frees pets ridiculous. It was Hanan than I was on the phone with them yesterday. And they said, oh, it's thirteen. This is a big profit center for them. You do not need it. Basically, you just have to go to within Staples. Or any of these big box stores or best buy or whatever or even online. They'll actually have modems that'll say Cox ready. Your Comcast ready? Told me she says make sure it does that and I did a search on Amazon and a whole ton of them came up. So I am as far as I'm concerned with Amazon you in the old days, you don't WalMart used to say it always was American products. And then they went and bought everything in China. Well, it was on the same way. Amazon's like, oh, we're the lowest price, I'm not finding that anymore. Maybe I'm just a bad online shopper. But Amazon's prices are the exact same as everyone else's prices these days. Okay. So recommend like best buys just pop in the car and get the modem. Yeah. I mean, you can get right away. We have a best buys guy an era surfboard for thirty nine ninety nine. Yeah. Paper itself in no time. Okay. Thirty nine ninety nine at thirteen bucks a month. What's that four? Yeah. It's a no brainer. Is what it is. But how difficult is it? Just plug and play the way it's it's so plug and play you're going to literally rip theirs out plug years in and call them, and you're going to give them what's called a MAC address, which is on the bottom of the modem. Okay. And they're going to say, okay, go without a return, the modem or. They're going to continue to charge. You. Absolutely. Have. We have the one down in north even here the Comcast. But the girl that I talked to I highly complimented her because she's the one that really suggested. The not to stay. Hope they're calls recorded. Everything I've com. Comcast recorded what I call them, the cable, pigs and everything. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They went up sixty bucks my cable Bill in the last Bill. I got so I called and went to war with them. And then they brought it back down again about it. I was kinda thinking about it a little a little while back. You have people talking about putting solar on their house. Right. So you have a energy Bill of two hundred bucks a month fear for your lecture city. But and so you put you borrow twenty thousand dollars to put the cell to solar thing on your roof. And you get a redo your roof before you do it. There's another five or eight grand all to say take your two hundred dollars. Let your Bill and bring it down to forty people take the recoup. Well, there's that. But how many people could do that instantly by this by buying a thirty nine dollar modem cutting cable, and streaming over YouTube TV, you could save as much money without a twenty thousand dollar outlay and your roof being mangled, and then just saying the equivalent is so mazing how much money you can recoup equival so quickly. Mike, you answer my questions. It's not a big deal. It's not a can of worms that. I'm now. They actually are hoping you think it is. Okay. And it's not well, I appreciate your advice. All right. Good luck. Thank all, right. Nice. When you drop off that modem. I'm call many names. We're going to step out for a quick break. Mike, bryan. And Dave hang on. This is computer talk one line up for you. We'll be right back. That look at me wrong on solar is great. I just think of solar shingle is the way to go Yulon promise that few years ago. We're still waiting for that he's got a great example house. But that's about it house all the shingles. The, but I would do those batteries to wall panel. That's a great idea too. Because then you take the wa- the power off the the sun put it in your basement and just hope it doesn't explode. Lithium ion has some issues. Let's go onto Dave in Marlborough next day. Dave Morin guy. Good morning guys. How you doing? Are you big fan? Listen to you every week. You guys are great resource in the speaking about blowing up. I have a question about windows seven I have a desktop HP pavilion and back a couple of years ago, when they were, you know, Microsoft is trying to make everybody go to windows ten I was able to dodge that bullet nights continued on, you know, windows, seven premium and everything's been hunky Dory. I got a thing from Microsoft when I logged on this week saying as of January first twenty twenty no more support for windows seven starter that warning message. Right. So for me, the question is the reason why I never converted was I didn't want to have the problems with the interface and drivers and everything. What are we gonna do? Do a great question. Dave. So in our business. We're busy converting everybody to windows ten because for business people. They have no choice you need the security updates. And you know, it's the only business where they can kind of hold you at gun point and say, we're not going to support it anymore. You've got upgrade in and you have to which correspond makes it so distasteful in your case. You can way that. So what it means is you're not gonna get quote unquote security updates now when X P was expired about six or seven years ago. Now, I think Microsoft said the same thing we're no longer going to quote, unquote, support X P and then about a year and a half later they had to release a security update because of the massive hole that was in it and the massive amount of people who still ran XP. So you can can is far as I'm concerned for home as long as you use our antivirus product, tools that we recommend your web to you know, the open DNS I would contend you can go awhile with windows. Kevin understanding understanding that Microsoft says they are not gonna fill or basically when they say the neck support it. They're no longer going to patch. The problem holes issues with their software. They're they're saying they're no longer going to quote, unquote, support it as long as you understand that for a period of time. The longer you go though with windows seven the more of those vulnerabilities will be made available to the guys in the Czech Republic. We're going to want to remote into your machine and try to hacky, right? So eventually, you're gonna way that and say, well, I probably should upgrade. How old's your machine that's about five years old? Okay. I'm thinking I mean right now for security. I got the Microsoft essentials and have the male where bites, but I'm kind of getting from the way, you're describing it eventually if I'm for whatever reason forced to go to windows, ten don't even bother trying to upgrade my machine because it's. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Seeing thing in my house. I mean, my house my machines about the same age as yours. So I'm not gonna upgraded L replace it through committee pretty easily. But six years is what you want out of your system. So be now, I would say windows defender is really not after January one. I don't think they're gonna update it anymore. Well, it's it's the Microsoft essentials the famous defender much yet. So again, you want to get a professional antivirus tool if you're going to stick with windows, seven past January one, okay? And in naval open DNS. Okay. All right. Very good. At greasy. I thanks much. Looked at the nearby, but again for business if you're a manufacturer that has to deal with eight hundred one seventy one this compliance or def- ours because you're dealing with military. Great parts, as we do here in Connecticut, a lot you have to upgrade your machines to get them to windows, ten by January. I if you're a financial planner dealing with financial data counting firm, again, if your systems are not being updated. Those are those are more vulnerable even with security tools that we provide our customers. You should definitely make sure you can upgrade you don't be current with windows ten systems. Now, we have an article that we could bring up today that act talks about the I think it was a may release. Bob of the updates broke all the antivirus heritage. The folks at Microsoft who want to warn you about your windows, seven not being supported for those of us who are on windows. Ten. We also have the fact that we are supported by Microsoft Gs thanks you guys. And you've updated your April twenty nineteen patches. And you've literally wreaked havoc on PC's causing crashes because of folks who are running so FO's antivirus avast antivirus are being just hammered by this update Microsoft assigned a saying dude ones from them story. No, this is supported software. Thanks, microsoft. I'll put a link up here for you. But these guys are just October was the Bockel now APRIL's at the Bockel. These are supported operating systems. So when they kind of it's kind of funny when they say, we're not going to support your windows seven. You're kind of like you almost wanna say who. Great. Thank you. But it's not the right way to think about it. But it is kind of feel that way. I'll put a link up here for you can read this article about just what a mess supported Microsoft, offering systems can be keeps us in business. We're both just shaking our heads. All right. That's gonna break. Your mama lost. Arrogant. Let's go right to then Brian in the car next. Hey, Brian in the car. Hi, guys. How're you doing? So I'm just following up with what that guy said about his Samsung, Email and his g mail. It's not I don't think it's virus. Because the same thing happened to me on my Samsung galaxy like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. It was just that the application that I used to do my Email on my phone wasn't connected. Medina for some reason. So I did say thanks at someone's tried to access your account, and I was all worried except the location shows the location where I was right. His case showed someone else. Right. I reset it. Anyway. And it made me even when I reset it. It made me give him some, you know, permission to my team in order for me to use it on my phone. Sure. I like that. The thing is about like Danny said, it was showing him being Danbury, right? Well, you know, when you get the eight CPI from Comcast for these providers, it can be anywhere because I've got a static IP. Right. And everywhere, I go. It says that I'm coming out of Massachusetts. Not because you know, Comcast's has registered those IP's on site in Massachusetts, I live in southern ten in my coming out of Meriden. But it's interesting. So I mean, I have a galaxy to I don't run my Email on the my galaxy. I don't wanna look at Email while I'm on that device. So why Samsung wants to connect that way as little bizarre. That sounds normal because that was a little worried about that. But then it it wouldn't it wouldn't allow me to use my Email. Nice phone unless I granted. Samsung permission. So I don't think that I don't know what what have Samsung have any right to access your Email giving them permission. I mean, you're running the Google mail app on your phone, right? Is this? Is on the home. You know, this was pretty loaded. I think it was whatever application was on the phone, but I'm using g mail. So I don't think so I think I'm actually using a Samsung application to run d-mass. Let's stop doing that. Us. Excuse me, use the use the Google app. It's a rhythm. Download that onto your phone and stop using Samsung. I mean, they really shouldn't. They shouldn't have any right to give them permission to do. Anything? You need a little red M G mail app. I wouldn't use a third party Samsung app. How would just use a g mail up? All right. Thanks a lot. You gotta brand by. That's just weird. You know? But a Samsung need to be part of that equation just an app, but it's free. I know it's ridiculous. We're going to step out for a quick break. We're going to be your eleven o'clock. So don't lose steam here guys. We get three lines open for you one hundred nine six six WTI five to WTI. Is you wanna talk about cutting the cable if you have pretty get online with that. You only need I promise you fifty megabytes. You can do little more if you want, but for our family of five three boys fifty megabytes streaming like crazy is plenty. That's all you need. Don't buy too much. It's not worth of your ever. This is computer talk. You're going to be your to eleven o'clock the offer to get online than Dr Lucille becoming in for healthy rounds. So give you a second opinion on your health advice. Stick around for that we've got Mike and Hartford up. I it's going Mike, Mike you there listening. I love that seven second delay or whatever the delay is Mike there might go once. Mike go and twice. Sounds like you have to wait seven seconds Mike there. Mike in Hartford come on man areas. Good. I knew you'd come around. What's up, sir? What can we do for you? Okay. I was listening to something here that you were saying about streaming getting cable from getting cable for free on YouTube. You said put you so what I got. So how do you do that? You don't want to do that in. I was telling you why you shouldn't be doing that. Because it's a it's a risk. It's a they're using people using what are called jail broken, Roku or jail, broken fire sticks that they're buying a flea markets and plugging plenty of people don't do that. Because you're literally inviting the dark web into your house. It's not free. The dark web now is in your house and is going to try to figure out when you're online doing banking, or when you're whatever you're doing. This device is doing more than just giving you free movies. It's capturing your whole network infrastructure. It's capturing access to your not just your Email. Anything you log into the username loggains pass passwords, and also it's capturing like see if you have cameras in your house, and it's all sending it out to its home base. Yeah. So don't don't do that Mike for trying to not to do it. Right. So it's a big brother will be watching big brother uncle and not even not even a relative. It's a bad guy. Yes. They away from it. Mike. Okay. So. Big brother. I got. Well, you know what? I mean, the, okay. So I got one of those fire sticks jail broken. It's brand new league. Right, right. How could how do we lost instructions? What do you do you plug that into your what you've got to have a smart TV? If you don't have a smart TV, it won't work, right? The thing that you bought the fire. Stick makes any TV smart. Okay. So you plug that into your HDMI connection or wait a minute. Let me write this down there. Wigan put a link up for you on the instructions. Okay. Maybe your website because I had trouble, which what is your website W, W dot computer, talk with tab dot com. The name of the show dot com, which also works you can type in the name of the show dot com, and that would work or computer talk with tab dot com. Both of them work, computer talk with. Dot com. The name of the show dot com. Okay. So explain to me in case. I can't get on the computer because I've been having problems with it. So explain to me see what I have is. I have frontier. I don't have the internet. I just have frontier with with their modem. The internet though, you're able to Reich right? Eight megs speed tests. I'm getting six six point four, and you have no TV operates far you have no TV with them. No, you've already cut the cable. Then right. So yeah. You just plug in your fire. Stick configure, Netflix or Amazon prime or YouTube TV, you're gonna pay monthly cost for Netflix and YouTube TV, or Hulu whatever you wanna do. I am not sure if fire Amazon fire stick supports everything, but they support a lot and. You then watch your TV so YouTube TV's got like ridiculous amounts of channels. I wish they had a smaller package. Plug it in how much is it. Just plug any HDMI in a plug in the fire. Stick into the. Theam? I. Will you have to get it on the network? Should you know, you have to configure? It's wireless connectivity to your network. And then then you choose that HD my connection on your TV and Tada. You have streaming. I just gave Mike some links for how to settle the fire sticks. All right. So there's links out for you. In stream Netflix Amazon prime. Youtube. Yeah, go crazy. And what's you know, what they're each one charges star. You somebody used to be free, but another all charging right YouTube free YouTube wants you to charge onto YouTube TV is about fifty bucks. Netflix is like nine. Yeah. Netflix is like nine to thirteen Amazon prime is like one hundred bucks a year. That's got a lot of stuff. I don't buy things online like do now shopping, but we're talking prime users YouTube YouTube TV, not YouTube, so there's YouTube TV, and there's YouTube, but yes, YouTube TV is fifty bucks a month starting next month. Go they're like back in the old days. HBO was the was the best used to have to get cable right now, you'd have to pay Amazon or HBO fifteen bucks for that are pop of their tests on top of whatever service, you're gonna use correct? Right. Okay. So I guess is a free trials you can go on. So but YouTube to you know, how you you got a smartphone? And you watch you. Okay. And that would be how much a month. Really YouTube is free. You can choose the premium when we have the add get rid of the ads or you can still do you to for free. That's still free Mike, and they still it's sort of free the premium premium won't pay for it. I don't pay for premium YouTube yet what you're getting YouTube. You're getting it's the same as on your on your smartphone. This great got everything on her if things on there. Yeah. But you don't have TV. You don't have like NBC thirty years CBS or that calmness. Yesica through you to you would have that close like that like the light detail. You just said he get net. Flicks for free is you want it for free. It's an antenna. Only a digital antenna. And what on sold these channels, though, these things that I go through the far stick I could get extra channels with a ten. It is do it through in China. You're going to have in in will be your regular TV. And then you go to your streaming when you want to go to the first. Right. So let me get this. I know what you just said we have fire sticky on these Netflix or Amazon YouTube now, if I have an you're talking about the square and ten is that you put on regular digital TV's without the antenna that you don't get any chance Santana. Channels. How many more would I get with that depends on where you're antenna reaching? You. Walmart pickup I deaf. And and plug it in see if it works doesn't work return. It do you know about are low. The cameras yet. They're wireless that was told that it won't work on what I have on the frontier because the it it's only got six six megs. You need you need. Comcast is what is. Now, Mike, it'll work our level work. I'm sorry are low will work on your six make connection. Do you know the specs on that? I don't up my head. But I know with a work even on because I got the the lowest speed. No, I know you'd have to check our love for any respects, but a eight megabits will be fine for your camera. Before I buy you can't bring that stuff. So you can bring it back. Okay. So. Because the frontier DSL it says eight Meg. But like like, I said, I did a speech this. I I only getting six point four. That that enough. I would recommend go to Arlo site to get your spec. Double check it. We'll put the link up there for you. The other thing we're task, you know, how you have automation with door locks and smart plugs. Can you will that work on a through frontiers? Six point four, which is Martin can you control it with a smartphone? What are you doing? Why you want to go so crazy with the automation did? Oh, no. Where are you gonna like yourself out of the house? I'm sorry. Now where you're going to lock yourself out of your house. I remember I remember what you had said that was funny. The guy he'll work all the time. I would I would recommend. I get used to. It streaming is in a fire stick before you start automating your locks to call. But I haven't done it. I haven't done it with that low of speed. Will it work six? What do you know the lowest of will work on? Probably work on k it's just going to talk to work on k it should work it should work. It's just talked to the cloud and say, hey, someone put in a password or someone swipe through the app unlocked the door, it should work with any internet connection. There's no bandwith requirement on that small amount of data moving the thing with the smart plugs, which will turn a lights out. Yeah. It's just a little bit of a data sing on or off. No, we understand what same level. Now. You control it with any smartphone that you have. Maybe it depends on the each of the automation devices so summer hang on their if their link lets you link up some are, Android. Some are apple some are going to do both. So we're going to do both at work in a built platforms. I wouldn't go there. Mike. Are you get the streaming down understand that I? Right. Right. But you think you can do cameras with your smartphone? Right. You can Arlo does that. Right. And if okay. The all right. Good luck with it for a quick break. John, Robin, Kate, hang on this, computer talk. We'll be right back. And we are back. This is computer Jonquet tab, Dr less. He's in the green rooms around for that healthy round. He'll have a second opinion on your health advice. Stick around for that. Let's go to your calls your nice enough to join us on the Saturday morning. We're going to John and Ellington next. He's been on the longest. Hey, john. How you doing? Hey, how you doing? No, not too bad. I have a problem. I keeps yelling at me. All the time. Oh, welcome to my world. We have no life. I you have no wifi. Yes. In the household. And I'm in Ellington, so we don't we don't have any connections at all. I've had direct TV since ninety five. Okay. Yeah. 'cause we have we can't have an order for somebody to give me cable. I had to dig up my lawn g gonna put in a line two hundred feet long get about it. So you have no internet. So I got used a couple of years ago. But using that works great for the first five six days. And then everything just dies off. So what about have you tried DSL? If you find out if if DSL's in the area for you like frontier. No, you're that much in the boonies over there in Ellington. Well, it's not that. We don't have anything that can go underground. I don't have no phone lines. I don't have anything off the grid. But basically, yeah. And I'm right in the neighborhood and everybody around me has has cable because they put it in. When they did the house refused. You put your foot down. Now. No wonder your wife's yelling at you refuse. The the guy who owned it was a state cop. And he didn't put anything you want to be off the to. All right. So you really only have like a cellular option which is going to be expensive T mobile is coming up with a. Option for you for the suburbs. I'm f- suburb for the rule right rural areas, which Ellington is I mean, you can smell the cow patties from here. They're just they're just now defrosting, and I would say that if you call t mobile and see if you could get on that there's a pilot program where you can get fifty megabits of cellular wifi for fifty bucks a month. I think. Okay. That's about the same price. As what I is. What you want? We'll chat again T mobile may not be there yet using that is is that another cellular service. Yes. Okay. I never heard of that one never to use that. Millie? They've been around for almost ten years now. All right. So they have an option. That's great. If they exist because he Mobile's is not really available yet. If they have a souther problems, a speed, you try to watch TV if I want to watch something on Netflix or something it just dies out. But you have direct TV every. Yeah, I know, but I'm talking about for Netflix porno, watch Netflix every two minutes dies. Well, you're not getting a band within from Usenet you need at least. If you need a good fifty megabit or twenty five megabit connection using it might not be giving it a band with. Well, Hughes net we're getting fifty. Well, we can't y you cannot watch Netflix. You're gonna watch it for about three minutes. And then it stops you reload. I promise you, can you can figure it, right? So this is Hugh's net. Not use net Hughes. It's hughes. Right. Hughes net. Okay. I was thinking I was using it. Yeah. You should be able to do it with fifty megabits if you can figure properly unless they have a limit to their bandwidth if they have a limit to their bandwidth where they kinda throttle you after X number of gigabytes, then that's probably happening. That's the problem. Whereas T Mobile's not gonna throttle. You h- using that is so you can't get past. That's the whole problem with cellular right now is that they have all these unlimited limited systems where they throttle you after X number a number of bites you need to be able to get a terabyte of data, which is a thousand gigs. Magin your cellphone service having a thousand gigs. Yeah. That's that's the plan you want, which is what T Mobile's offering for fifty bucks. Eventually. It's a pilot program. Check it out. I was using a Verizon jetpack that was working that was working fine until they throw you until now until two years ago that can't. Yeah. They're going to throttle. They don't they don't then allow unlimited yet. Yeah. The problem with Verizon was the cost. I mean, I was able to cut my Bill in half by switching. Well, actually, I didn't have any choice, try Google fi. It's even cheaper. But that's a whole different different concept. But I think your only options going to be t mobile out there. Your wife's going to continue to yell at you. Welcome to my club. Okay. I'll I'll look into T mobile. I appreciate that. You're welcome, sir. Bye. Bye. You're out in the boonies like that. You're kind of stuck. Let's go to rob and Cheshire next. Hey Roberts up. Hey, thanks for taking my call. It seems like a lot of the calls today have to do with the phone phone and TV and internet at home in my. So I was out doing my lawn and Cox guy came by because I haven't had Cox and forever. I have the frontier system and. The Cox guys coming by shortly. And I just wanted to be brain with respect to the fact that I don't want to cut the cable yet. And I like just being able to turn the TV on TV and internet and phone because I have a fax machine at my home. And right now, you know, I don't watch a lot of net flicks. I haven't been account, but immigration and right now, I'm paying two hundred fifty bucks a month. Oh, my yeah. Yeah. So I'm figuring I'm going to be able to get a better deal. You know, I'm not downloading actually emailed you. I'm downloading like one point six or uploading one point six and downloading like sixteen or something and Cottam says they're going to be able to certainly beat that. But I'm not having any issues with speed. Right. So I would assume that I just need to get like a minimalist deal with respect the internet speed. A union the minimalist minimalist when that guy says he's gonna give you a five hundred megabits or two hundred megabits. You're going to say I need fifty or less. You're gonna say I haven't doing great with DSL which is like eight megabits, and you're gonna tell the you're going to tell them, look, I want your cheapest lowest nobody's gonna tell you their cheapest one is one hundred megabits for eighty five bucks. Is what I'm gonna guess they're going to tell you. All right. And they have the wireless robbers. You would suggest that I tried to get my own router. Yes. You buy your own modem, and your own router is if you don't it's going to cost you more. And you don't need it. You don't need to have them rent. You the stuff you buy your own? It's like thirty nine dollars. Bob set for the modem. And then a router, you know, eighty bucks ninety bucks thou. Get your wifi, and then you can configure with open DNS nice and secure and your all your advice, so far, and and I I've been pretty clean with respect to having a l let me ask you another question. So I have windows defender. And and malware, do I do I need them. Both know bites running. You if you've already paid from our bites is at a paid service yet well idea, I upgraded 'cause I'm nervous. So so when does the Fender probably isn't running because on our bites would have shown up and windows defender would have said, oh, I see you have a a good antivirus. I'm not gonna run. So you probably don't have the little greenhouse in the Reagan corner, right? Well, I have I have a shield, but you don't have a little greenhouse mill. No. I haven't shield with a check Mark. Yeah. You're good. You're not running both windows defender. That's what I have actually been their security center. And it says it's got all the green check marks on it. That says everything's running right and references references Mauer bites. Right. As your viral, your antivirus this should reference. What you're running. Oh, I didn't check that. So I'll have to check that check. It most likely. It says that's what's running. Okay. So so fifty would be at I don't need anything more than that. Call call us back, and let us know what they offered you again, whatever they're going to offer. You is just a short term teaser. Maybe a year service, whatever they're gonna offer. You is going to go up wildly the aware. Aware. I I know they're boy, and I have so I don't have they're going to have to put cable. I mean, I I had cable and that's cable running around my house somewhere. But right now a lot of what I have is wireless connections. They they would offer that same service right where I have to cook cables back up to my TV's right there. But they're going to charge you for the devices. Right. So that's the snag here. So they want to charge you for the modems. They're going to charge you for a little digital converters all monthly so you could pay fifteen twenty bucks, depending on the number of TV's. You have just to connect the cable to get TV. So each TV need box a modem, but a box digital box, and they charge you for it. And that's why streaming doesn't have any of those costs. And if you just did streaming did you TV or some other streaming service? You could just by Cox cable like this is what I did. I cut my cable Bill from to eighteen eighty three obviously got pay for the streaming services. But right. There's a lot of added stuff. Yeah. All right. Bravo. Running out of time. So right. I appreciate your help. You're welcome. You guys are joining us on the Saturday morning. 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BONUS CAMPAIGN - Trinyvale Ep. 13 - Jungle Judgement

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BONUS CAMPAIGN - Trinyvale Ep. 13 - Jungle Judgement

"This is a head gum podcast. Welcome to Trinity Church New. ooh Like rain wrapping the windows. I let in the rain soaked with adventure a world we're hidden cities lurk in magic magic jungles guerrillas talk more eloquently than humans and everyone gets along super well with their Stepdad. No It is a true adventurers paradise. Today story begins in the guerrilla city of Nicholson guided by the village silverback. The turn of L. Trio. Okay a the cruel makes their way to another stone. Toll Booth at the edge of town carved on this stone is grill with his arms raised in a stop gesture sure the silverback breathes deeply then places his poems on the statue his eyes and back glow silver and then the stone descends into the Earth revealing an overgrown trail winding deep into the wilderness beyond can our heroes become jungle masters or will they remain bungled bungled disasters. Only time will tell and so without further ado let's rejoin retrieval team twenty two and begin chapter thirteen gene of the Trinity Vail Adventure Trinity More Rain Storms. A Common Dan. Coyote moons out once more. Hello friends and welcome back to the table I am. Of Course Your Dungeon Master Aka Dunkel Caldwell Tanner and I am joined by Jen's Lindell's Dell Star of Trista Graham not a fan of my Stepdad. Ron Thank in God go viral beetle. Boys got it where it counts onyx lumiere master of disguise guys with a red gorilla but and a beautiful smile. Keep the red but yeah wonderful they could hold in your pants and of course I'm bringing silver back. And that is the end of their total party. Kill is dead okay. No you're all ready to four twenty trail blazers it but I have about a quick recap. Let's do it fantastic. When last last we met you three had just finished? You're tuned ritual deep within the Golden Society Secret Headquarters afterwards. You were informed by Onyx is revenue mother that she had discovered the location of the peripheral a subterranean realm where the interact crystals were first forged. It's also the place where vs on XS former demonic patron is currently currently imprisoned graffiti revealed that the location of the periphery was deep within a cave at the heart of the ran afford valley and so she loaded you three up with AC boosting gifts gifts and tearfully sent you on your way. However as you make your way towards the jungle in your airship you noticed a suspicious site in the floating city of Vena Das massive did billboards bearing your faces claiming that you as well as Z and blacken were wanted for kidnapping the vending machine tycoon? Mercurio delauro to throw the city off your percent on exit tempted to obscure faces with a massive sharpie but unfortunately you attracted the attention of a group of silver wing guards. Let it didn't didn't work did not work unfortunately specifically remember it working time has a funny way of changing your memory of events this thinking fast. Onyx yes you were able to use your mantle of the moth to instill fear in one of the guards while Jin's used polymorphic to transform another into a fearsome shark landlord you then out ran the remaining guard and at long last made it to the Ramaphosa Valley once on the jungle floor. NYACK lead you three deep into the forest through a magical toll booth to the guerrilla city of Nicholson inside the city. Nyack Jen's got into a bit of a brotherly squabble F- which was quickly interrupted by their parents Ron Insana who were hard at work doc. In their nearby barbershop after a quick family reunion and an even quicker trip to Dr Dan Berries Office to get nyack stomach parasite checked on you. You three then headed off towards the large silver tree in the center of town to speak with silverback. who had mysteriously shut himself inside his personal quarters using some impressive magical fucker you three alternate invisible and flew to the top once? They're on ext transformed into a stunning medical monkey assistant. Which allowed you all to pass unnoticed? I into the silverbacks study upon seeing you. The silverback revealed that he had recently been contacted by the God of sages and starlight and was told that twice of two in parts of three John. My sign atop tree. You then showed Him Your Team Twenty Two colin coin which convinced him to help you with your quest and so you send it to the base of the tree and began making your way towards the forbidden cavern known as Mama's Ma and that is where where we are now Humid air wraps all around. You like a blanket as you walk along this jungle trail. I guess before we get any further further. was there anything else you wanted to do in the town or are you ready to embark on your quest towards Mama's mall. I wouldn't mind some kind of short rest but I don't need. I need to do that. Yeah I guess we'll take a little short rest I guess. What should we pop into the store just to see if there's anything if there's like potions or something? Maybe I think I'd like to Journal at Brewster's Stirs Pab Journal at Brewster for my short run you get like two steps into the trail and haven turns back says that was. It's very presumptuous. was there anything you wanted to town journal. Oh you've got of course. Yeah you gotta take time for yourself. I wouldn't mind freshening mullet bipasha absolutely Lulu and we'll get into the store but I'm gonNA walk around really casual light so I can get a short rest. Okay do a slow long stretch you stretch. Stretch it out. Yeah I've really stretch it out all right so your journaling. It brewster's you're going to your dad shop. I may also have to stop by Dr Dan. Bury's my nipple. Apple has swollen around going real constitution. Check on your nipple. The twelve twelve yet owns got a little bit of gangrene. Seriously you had to. Dr Danbury gives you an antibiotic yeah you're really racking up a big medical bill but your parents have to take the wings doctor. I wouldn't dream of it. They're beautiful now off to get my haircut. Tell Ron and don I said Hi. I'm sitting at the Bar and trying to make a big scene about journaling but actually actually like really like sighing chewing on my pen looking around to see if anyone looks at me You see the Bartender Brewster's like Oh journal in Yeah Yes it's really. It's so important. That's great oh you beautiful penmanship. You would. I'm looking for someone to do wedding. Invitations might my son Norwalks getting married. Just trying to find someone you might make good at Norwalk ORLA. Yes I would be honored to do his wedding invitations. That would be lovely. Yes of course. I let me draft something up right now. Okay Yeah you you get to work on that I would love to see its Norwalk and Zo. GAFFER's France both of them. What you get a honestly? I introduced them true. I'm the reason they're getting married. Yeah you know y Gosh drinks on the House House. What do you want thank you so much? I'll take seven beers. I the game. RIA starts pumping out seven years for you. This of an outdoor. Yeah he does everything you want for free you want. Some of these is to go and use what he has placed. Actually get your growl. How's that sound both? Thank you both you say yes okay. He brings out three little mini kegs. Once you can get for like holiday parties just sets them. I'm down and you see the brewster. He's a bit of a druid and he's got a little bit of magic on his fingertips. Any cast a float spell on each of them so that they will be easy to carry a thank you so much your magic stupefied. It leaves me speechless. Unless you know what I'm looking at. The cursive script over there and equally stupefied was F-. I don't even know where it's going from there. Air and fuck me. That's a good all right okay. I stopped reading it so you continue and journaling and preparing some wedding invitations for nor Watkins's nuptials upcoming get excited about that one shot and Jin's you are Headed to the General Store Jervis General. Yeah all right so you walk in to Jervis General You see that. It is a pretty standard general store. You know kind of they've got everything it's a little dusty. Some areas are up kept better than other ones like all the drinks and stuff look pretty fresh produce good but then like. There's just like one bag of chips just like yeah like a real some dusty can the oldest can of pringles you've ever seen. Oh I didn't realize that they made barbecue and in parsnips chips. They're actually they're not pringles. They're made of plantain so their plan. Goals that slowly. Put them back. Doc You know help you yes. Do you have anything in a health potion limit chick you see that Jervis runs into the back. Doc Yes you're lucky I've got just the thing and he pulls out a very old bottle of what looks like a discontinued energy drink. Oh Oh my good. Good Jarvis ooh this do the trick. Can I inspect it and see if that would kill me if by drinking yes please boy. That's a big eight for me hates. It looks sealed so so you think it would be okay to drink but it is pretty old and it was discontinued for a reason. So you don't know okay. Well perhaps Kanaya could try it for me. What is your? I'm so sorry. Usually I shop at higher end places. What is your finest wear era? I don't know what do you sell here will. We've Got Bananas Okay. Plan goals a wind spirits. And of course you know feminine products I take out one of my burner phones and I'd thanks Jensen and say pick me up some feminine products I just showed that I just got general feminine products. I don't Oh no what she prefers. I guess I'll just get a smattering of. I don't know if she uses tampons. Just one of each shug. s you see that has prepared box called jervis jumble. Oh okay yes got it all in there or anything else for you. Is this like a Deli wind situation. where the wine looks really bad? All the wine is pretty bad. And then there's one bottle that's like forty forty dollars for some reason though yes well. We're not going to buy that. Yeah you know what L. by the energy drink and these sir go when you're right. You All have money from your benefactor so you know oh that was like a couple of gold your find too much about that cool. So you've got this energy drink. I'm going to say for this energy drink. I'll be fully honest with you. I did not have anything prepared for it. So maybe I'll just do a role and if you get above ten it'll heal you. Get below ten funnel happen right. Great great all right. Let's cut back to Nyack. You are at the barbershop now. Yes all right. So Ron is giving you a trim just a little off the top and none off the back as a boy after my own heart you see that he bends over and starts like pulling out your hair with his teeth. Brilliant an artisan. So how things going. They're going all right dad I I hope I didn't disappoint you by coming back before I was ready to to be a leader. Maybe I was born to be a follower nyack. Whatever you want to be me be happy with what you is me only want you be happy that easy me very simple man need be happy no matter what you do but also you good boy Nyack eh you see best in people even when they being real shit head to their mom you see the best in people and you're talking about onyx behaved admirably Lexin have another kid that may not I know about I think we have triplets me so happy happy to please talk to Jen's for me we feel bad that he not happy I think it's the cigarettes they give they give people an attitude it true he got real bad boy vibes? His Dad was decapitated. No no no I understand that. He's Uh it's GonNa take some time but he's a cool dude. There are more than one way to lead Nyack. You need not be in front of troop you can lead by lifting others. You can lead by simply being there. You find your runway Nyack. I also really wanted to cut the ribbons around town. Okay you need to be very specific leader to tell your dad you ought to be a race car driver. He just like you can be whatever. You WanNa try Dr this race GonNa Order Dr. Jeff Gordon's racecar really want the giants users popping me me talk to silverback if you can get internship thanks dad. Of course we love you love you snipping your hair all over his face and I couldn't possibly. Have you eaten the salad that Dr Danbury gave you. Oh no I haven't take a leaf. Okay I also want. At the general store that I bought like Simone Crewman. Dinner's so is there going to be so bad for his stomach. Frozen food needs to fill up history. You GotTa get a base first before you can help you. Eight nine lollipops at the doctor's look look give me a constitutional constitution saving rule. Seventeen seventeen I'm going to treat this like a death. Save Dave three successes. I'll let you raise your constitution by one gets through. Failures goes down by one. Dies really treating it. Yeah you fucking die. You get internal bleeding by parasite wins. I have to play the rest of the campaign. That's my parents. Ah I will banish that Peirce go my voice come home listen so you choke down this salad and you see sonic comes out. Slaps Ron really hard on the ASS. And Says Oh my baby boy Monkey Man Eating Your Greens Ray Monkey Momma. She gives you tinder little kisses or anything else you WANNA do or are you already already. Yeah had I finished my wedding invitation going. Give me a a performance check or what would that be oh sleight of hand sure performances. A lot better I think it's gotta be sleight of hand unless you're minor losing it. Ah I will minor lose of it actually. No I I want them. I WanNa have a good invitation for them. So fourteen fourteen brewster looks at them and sees that they're not like pinterest quality but he also runs runs a small bar and a very small town. Probably doesn't have a ton of extra money to spend on it so I think he's very satisfied for what he's being for. These are great great good actually. It's a first draft so you'll be getting a second draft. Oh sure absolutely this is just for. You approve proof of concept. This is fantastic contest. Okay great okay. Great Yeah another one's coming is going to be so happy on. Got Your Feminine Products Loading Fear. Oh okay jumble. Yeah just got all of them. You were very vague trying to sell it almost the whole thing via via weird nutrients I feel kind of fool voting cake of beer. I couldn't possibly. I got you a lot of those are going to say I could possibly here. You can act. You'RE GONNA eat dinner every night and also you're gonNA going to carry my bag. I bought a bunch of things the bag of all this frozen dinners. I make space for it in the Glove Satchel. What's in the corn unknown? Eaten coal us. You see that haven walks up to you three and it's like okay. Are you ready to go. I really want to get to the bottom of what. What in the DOS has in mind for you so whatever? I can do to help sorry about that. That was weird of us. That's weird but honestly it's GONNA pay off. It's going to be a little bit more. And they have to spell slots every short understandable the dos moves in mysterious ways. And you've gotta just follow their. They're women in their wills jets. Take off running Jason. You're headed straight towards the okay. So are you ready to head deeper into the forest away. All right cool so you go. Well you tell us about up Mama's Ma. Oh yes it's a dangerous sort of danger. Showy you see that haven is so thrilled to talk to you you about the history of the Ranna for and of the guerrillas. It seems clear Nike. Notice that haven. Before they were the silverback was a schoolteacher. You know of course they worked with Mr Duplex Bronstein and Mrs Hamdon and they were elected to this position to to serve and lead and teach the whole troop so any chance they get to kind of go back to the roots and just talk with people about history in the world. They really relish it so they say oh you want to know about Momo's small. Yeah I want to hear about the danger and the history of it. Well it say incredibly dangerous cavern. It's actually really a living cavern. It's been sealed up because anyone that did stumble upon it might just get swallowed up whole or tricked into performing some sort of task for this cavern so we had to seal it off and make sure that nobody was able to get due to its because also in addition to being duplicitous maw. It's also the entrance to the Perera. which as I'm sure you know it's the great chaos the the world within the world? I have heard apparently the DOS themself imprisoned the Lord of chaos versus in there years and years ago. Yes I have heard that rumor. Yes it's well it's it's a fact it's not a rumour history. That's what happened right. Yes it's just so oh big it again from rumor. Would you like to hear a little more about in the DOS and like the history of of the ran for while while we walk absolutely wonderful so yeah as you venture into the wilds. The silverback explains a little more about the origins of his power. It's clear that he gets a real kick out of this so he kind of quizzes throat lights say a little. Bamboo joins JEN's was disinterestedly reading an okay magazine while talking but then start smoking. Oh Okay we should probably stay sharp. You know you don't know what's going to be waiting for you in the my cigarettes are good for you. We're picking UP NASTY ST habit. Okay this calms my Glaucoma. Oh I see I see okay. That's your medical for me too. I gotta deal with Aziz called Ron. You're smoking menthols preserve your smoking. Do Different is herb versus at mostly poison. I'm fine I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. You know. That's the beauty of a democracy. So let me tell you a little bit about the dos and how the silverback came to possess their power. Legend says that long ago before the Godless era I'm known as the Violet sorrow Nida's gifted a sliver of their essence to five people. They thought exemplified the necessary aspects of rule for a time these aspects ruled in Iraq during the God's absence but eventually the seeds of the DOS began to flourish within their host instilling them with unforeseen power some use this power to rule with benevolence while others were corrupted by its influence eventually the aspects began warring over control of Iraq. It was during this period that my aspect the aspect of Lore fled to ran a for the silver back there a granted her sanctuary and when she reached the end of her life she passed the dos power onto the silverback and it is dwelt there ever since any questions. No I am just wrapped. Oh thank you yes. It's been so long since I've got to. I mean I think it is a testament to the fact that you are the megaphone lar- absolutely yes. Why were the other aspects? Well the ones ones that are known to history are Lor Mirth craft and tact. There's one more but its name. Aim has been strangely erased from history. I could really use craft right now. I show him the first draft of my wedding invitation. Oh it's a little rough yeah. I drafted Japan. Hokkaido Walk J. U. Z.. Beautiful thank you. This is positive reinforcement mayor silverback. Hello Hi Oh wow oh you're a year daas was talking to you and there was a riddle with a two three. Does that have anything to do with. With the five of which you speak the DOS was always the most curious tricky of the gods they often spoke in et language all their own while the other gods were interested in more earthly pursuits. They were the god of sages starlight in the skies. They always their thoughts. Were always in the cloud so it was always a bit hard to decipher Nida's Dasa's whims and desires. And that is one of the roles of the silverback is to kind of interpret what it is now dos wishes for are the people of ran for Do you think Nida's would ever wish for when you close the store that you would tie the ribbon then so it would be a ribbon. Closing is the ribbon ceremonies. He's in our town. And of course that would attract new business because people would see that there's a ribbon outside and they would know that they could move in and start a new business there now yeah. I'm very very say they. You are all getting very excited. But don't you think that might be really offensive. And hurtful to the person who's business just veiled and they have to the difficult decision to shutter their doors. I love that we are opening the discussion. I have many ways that do you worry. That the ribbon in cutting ceremony would lose some of its zeal. If we were just doing them all the time. It wouldn't get cutting it would be a tying. It's true winless door closes the ribbon in ties before you. Regardless tying and untying it's tying and cutting it's cutting thing and tying and cuts I gave having trouble with tirelessly the devastation of the shopkeepers. For their hard time you quitting adventuring to become ribbon cutter. Is that what I'm hearing invested. Ribbons have a large pair of scissors ron due to you shake him a have dreams. Did you take a pair of scissors from the barber shop. And you have a bag of Ribbons Jin's previously established has a bag of ribbons that he uses ribbon. Dan Don't you cut those Nyack. I won't do anything I might tie if you if you want to tie a ribbon that's fine fine to come to. Yes in the very unlikely event that you need to cut one of my ribbons. I won't do it unless there's a ceremony brother. I do like what you're saying though you know. I don't think it would be perfect for any time. Astore close but say that business was closing because the couple will retiree retirement. They had served the community and they wanted to move on and do something else beautiful where they were moving to a bigger store and they needed to close their small store. That's great I think if you're going dad more ceremonies you're going to need more invitations. You wanted to open up stationery store. I would honor to cut the ribbon I just wanted to be. You started your go-to person for making stuff for the parties to be your social media vantage Virtual ribbon we can cut. This is why the DA since you to bless my town with new business enterprises I believe leafs. Oh yes maybe one day. I think your your first task lies in the mom Osma so that US proceed deeper into the jungle. Do people have theories. He's about what this fifth this fifth aspect is. I am sure that scholars have written about it at length. Oh yes well you see the five aspects kind of served just as a small council for the DOS. I should explain. There was a period in our history. As I'm sure you're all aware known as the violet sorrow where the gods grew restless and left this world to explore the the universe and the planes beyond two so their divine celestial steal oats as it were and in that period they created the Giner at crystals to serve as kind of a permanent well for power because without the presence of the try and there can be no magic in this world it flows from them kind of like a three prong modem router so they created the Giner at crystals to kind of preserve this power in their absence and the dos themselves deputized these five aspects to serve and guard the crystals in absence. So people have speculated that it could have been someone whose position was more of an authoritarian position designed signed to preserve peace someone in a justice position. Perhaps even someone who was there to oversee other aspects of society righty people say. Perhaps some dance dance. Yes I we do know for a fact that Mirth was there to oversee kind of the cultural aspects of society. Heidi the the lighter side of living and life but we don't quite know what the last of the aspects was in. It's a question and that is puzzled scholars for a long time Do you have any ideas. No I will keep my heart open. That's what I like to hear three wonderful new citizens. Edisons of Nicholson. I can't wait to have you a great place to live real estate's cheaper you're GONNA love it. Moving real estate's very cheap or who. We are as as well quite expensive. We live in the city and my roommates rent. My bank account hasn't really been hurting from. You should move here. I want you all wanted to live together in a little tree. No that's very nice. Yes think on it so the Silver Beck wraps up his lecture and this is story yes of course a lecture such a stiff word at sign history history is a story. It's alive he starts gesturing like you can just see him wearing a blazer with elbow patches. That's like way too small for him. Because he's a guerilla nyack. You never took a class with him. He was the silverback. By the time. I was bored. I see. I'm sure it would have been a great pupil. Nyack thank you. I'm glad that teach you and all your friends. Every every day is a teaching moment I have that written on a pillow somewhere. Look we're here on what a fascinating tale. You wove. Yes it did really helped the time pass. silverback comes to a halt and points. It's at a large cavern rising out of the earth. The entrances blocked by a criss cross of jagged stalactites and Stalagmites Lag mites clinched in an eternal bite on the outside of the cave in small clumps of Moss furrow like fuzzy judgmental eyebrows. That's the silverback. Stand your path preventing you from entering. Welcome to Mama's Ma now to awaken this cave. I'm going to have to call on all of my power as an aspect of net us. So whatever happens next. I unfortunately won't be of much. Use Afraid I'll be kind of sapped of my strength so however you should know that to into the cave you will most likely have to complete a trial of some sort. The trials vary depending on what the mall is into it any given moment so be ready for anything. She's ferocious and it's never the same challenge twice. Komo is ready hair. May I ask askew. What are you going to be doing because I want to know if you are in danger? Oh no I'm not endanger. I'm just going to be channeling. Net us the the the sliver of there being that resides in me. So I'll be basically just using all of my power in this one moment to awaken this in this cave that I had previously sealed off. Okay so I won't be out of commission fully. Just be needing to take. What do you call? What a short rest? Something like that over there I understand. I draper ribbon over the teeth. That's very lovely. We can cut that later. Perhaps once it's open for Business Open for business tells me those teeth are going to cut that. That's very efficient. Cut Your own ribbon. You know. That's a beautiful intimate intimate. Maybe you could sell that on a book or a bumper stickers once again rob's of my glory there Nyack you'll get there so the silverback kind of gets you to stand back a little bit. And then he holds up his hands to call on all his strength his eyes and back glow silver once more you see fine sheets of missed begin swirling off of his back and out of the sockets of his is eventually eventually. The midst grows so thick that it forms into a swirling liquid cloud and inside the cloud. you see a face disappear not just any face. But the the`real soft featured face of DOS for moment The FACE LOOKS WCHS expressionless. Like it's focused on the task but then it looks over at all three of you and it smiles this this kind smile with just a tinge of sadness to it and then it's gone you see all of this missed. Focus into the silverbacks hands. There's this big flash of light and all of a sudden he deep falls to his knees and as soon as that happens. You hear this loud rumbling. Is it the salad you ate. There's lettuce was too well. Don't lock romantic. We don't like Romaine so nice to be a wee you look up and you see the stone teeth of the cavern slowly creaking open. It's mossy eyebrows. Lift revealing to glowing purple hunks of Amethyst that seem to stare directly into your soul Augusta hot missed belches out of the cave mouth and then did it begins to speak. Momo's more those who wish to gain intrigued. Entry to the river must first prove themselves worthy by completing three trials if if you accept jr please step forward step forward a step forward. I try to pretend and like I stepped forward as fast as them. I was first detained. Competition UH EH thank you. He just been a ONS since I of feasted upon the flesh of the surface realm and so your charlotte shelby to prepare three creative yet delicious dishes. That highlight your talents as both warriors and chefs chefs. This is cooking. Mom All the caves big AH stalag tight mouth twisted to grin as she says contestants all you ready I am ready. Everything but food good for my Honda is infinite and that brings us to the cooking Mama challenge so for this instead of a normal battle. You're going to be preparing dishes to feed into Mama's Ma instead of damage will be dealing flavor damage which will weaken her taste taste buds to the point where she is so wrapped with the ecstasy of cooking and creativity that she opens her mouth for you and allows you entry You see that Mama is smiling wide so excited to have contestants wants more and she cast her. Amethyst assist is on you and says your first trial is the pocket challenge each of you must create a dish using items. You currently have on your person in ready set go everybody role initiative fourteen eight seven. Okay cool so the way this is going to work is on your turn. You will have to prepare a dish and as opposed to doing normal attack roles. You're going to three roles you're going to do a history check for your knowledge of the recipe. A slight of hand for your preparation of the recipe and then a performance check for The presentation of the of the dish. Let's see ginger up first. You approach the mall. She says well well well. What will you be preparing the off? I challenge well. My brother carries all of my things. So if we're talking strictly by what's in my pocket. Would you like the ask love brother brother. I would like my other gloves and also I guess some of your hungry man dinners and the energy please who who is going to Houston begrudgingly gave the clubs and the hungry and the energy drink. I'm going to be making king. You a heated up hungry men dinner drizzled with an energy drink sauce the constitution. That's been so long since I had sad man stew on so excited to try it so I'm GonNa need you to make those rules but I I I'm going to do a d twenty role to see if your energy drink is healing. Drink or a poisoned drink. I believe a zero to ten or one to ten. Then it'll be poison. Eleven to twenty. It'll be it's just going to be a drizzling. It's just drizzling. That's a net twenty Holy Holy Shit since you've got an twenty I'm GonNa let you roll one of your three roles with advantage. I one is history I history. Oh boy I need advantage on that one. Yikes that's an eleven for history eleven for history twenty-three for sleight of hand. Oh the twenty four for performance. Okay now I should add all those up. That's going to be. What seven eight? So that gives you a total of fifty fifty eight. Walk me through your process for making sad. Man's do okay. So in order to make sad man stu what I like to do. Who is I cast like a little fire can trip over the hungry men dinner? Get it just hot enough so it gets an even burn even on like the Brownie Brownie or meatloaf. So it's not like on the inside but it's not too hot either. You don't want the gravy to be too hot. Believe me. I know this personal experience. That's what makes any meal extra delicious. And then I you have to use your the hands. Of course I use my hands on the energy drinks touch and just do a sprinkling of the energy drink Over everything keep it a little pep and then I I played it. I take it out of the platter and I played it and I handed over to Mama a stone tongue emerges emerges from the cavern. You place it on the tongue it takes it in all. That's a fantastic bake. I'm quite tasty. That is thank you can roll radiates of flavor damage seventeen. Okay do seventeen points a flavor damage. Mama is beaming. She's very proud of you for your sad man Stu uh-huh Yeah Janice like starstruck. He's like somebody who like really is all about the Paul Hollywood handshake thank you. Yeah the the tone comes out and gives you a fist-bump oh a Mama fist-bump okay your sad man. STU has made this mall very very glad. Thank you That's going to bring us to Onyx. Okay I'm going into the mantle of the moth. Is that made from like moth flesh. I'm it's got some flesh on it still probably from from like a hide yet. It's a hide okay are like to cast elemental weapon to carry my weapon into a So that it does fire damage torch going and I would like to make a butterfinger. BB dusted beer braced moth jerky jeff gets fantastic of never had more jerky Erkki before. It's such a delicate creature. You have to crisp it just right and I am going to do just that. Okay go and make your rolls what is this sleight of hand history sleight of hand and performed performance thinking. Oh my God I really bad for all of these okay And Twenty one for history. Ace genza smiling for smile in the background. Like ingratiate like frame. The person who's probably going home ground while someone else gets good news. Genza says an empty smile. I think I think she's going to win. Momo's Angel this week then a twenty first stealth sleight of hand and then a twenty one or performance. Shit I do not have good buffs all that I wrote a sixteen seventeen and in eighteen heads. Amazing you roll a sixty two. It's critically delicious. What does that mean? Pat Broderick clapping really. Because for me Nyack for you brother unacceptable for me for Onyx. Uh I'm happy. I'm happy for her club. fist-bump yeah do you need you to go to the bathroom. You look quite enjoyed. I don't ever as Asia. A rumor going around to the bathroom understandable the muffled screaming. It's times like this. I wish I had fingers so there are lick them because that was delicious. Thank here I honestly. As my first time making it you made it with a professionals touch despite being an amateur. And that's what baking is all about you get to do five eighths of flavor damage twenty four twenty four damage excellent Keeling Novo but how delicious. That was. Thank you so much I will add it to my recipe job onyx. Jane's it's my fire is really trying to congratulate ethnic not normal honestly. I don't need I don't need approval way. You doing jobs exclude that. I've normal one. Let's not says his rallying cry. I'm normal trump chef. You shout it well then the kitchen listen preparing a dish and that brings us of course to Nyack. You honor me you say you miss licking your fingers. Here's our do their buried deep underground. I have just the thing. Oh I feel a glove Toms uh-huh and I dip each finger into a different jam. Jammie Tomtoms of take the pfister flavor. Oh Wow this is the fist of flavor. Another shot of Janzen the background. Aaron Jen strange. Dead Shark is with a big smile. You do see. See a little lemur holding a camera for some reason this is being filmed for someone. Okay go and make your owl's Oh the first one is what history all right. So that's seven anything. No okay okay no I do not the next one is sleight of hand. That's thirteen and the last one is performance which a a minus one That's a four. Oh that's going to be. I use the brother. That's good competition with each other Jan.. You don't know that ECU definitely use the ascalon Utah this into the Mar.. She choose use it for a second well the jams but all all. That's quite bad. I've given you Giardi Mama you've itself. You've done yourself a bit of a disservice there. I'm afraid I'm afraid I might be sick. I'm so sorry you hear MHM Boateng's rumbling. You would think that would prevent this. It wasn't enough. NYACK wasn't enough. You hear this big rumbling and and you take all done through this is how NYC dies. uh-huh God please don't bomb it. Not Not other ribbon. Thank you take seventy points the damage your shirts slashing David. Unfortunately no the we do do glove that you put into this caves mouth caused her to have a bit of a gastric reaction and she vomits comet's up acid right onto you for seventy points of damage still up. We don't like that one bit Better luck next time. That's truly unfortunate but you know we all have our down moments in the kitchen. But you got to get back in there the next day Cook Roast. Because it's Sunday. I'm quite surprised. You don't want to outright kill me. A- opportunity to redeem does he have to go home now out. That's that's just the first round. We are not in competition with each other. Not Brothers not let me explain how. He's the weak link. Clearly the finale. It should be you and I. They've been alley. The finale is all three of US getting through. Let me let me explain how the game works. As long as you remain standing you are still in the game if you fall. You are eliminated. You need to be standing into into at the end. So the only rule is that as long as you are alive. You're on cooking Mama. Mama May heal my stupid brother or is that against the rules you know what cooking is a collaborative. You may heal your brother. Hari can get over here. Thank you brother. I'll do a second level cure one. Great Okay Twenty awesome. Nice okay so you see mama reaches into her mouth and her tongue comes out with a little like damp cloth on it and she dabs up all the acid terribly. Sorry about that. Let's move on to our second round challenge which is of course the hunters. This challenge. I'll need you to hunt down and prepare a dish from a monster chosen by me and this challenge. You'll monster. Is There Amelean Ryan you see. She barks these three animals out of her mouth. They kind of land look around confused. You see it's like a Gecko but with massive rams horns on it kind of start licking their eyes and going. And then they kind of menacingly pawing the ground and we're going to keep the same initiative order but I'm going to roll for their millions. Okay Hey cool so this is just a normal combat round but once you defeat your Emilian you will need to cook it and prepare it as a dish for Mama three okay. So these three million start running towards you ready to fight Jin's you're up first sweets. I will make some attacks. I attack is a twenty two Q.. I'm also going to do a defensive flourish. A D ten to my attack and then that'll go on my AC as well love a spot of sport. That's eleven damage on the first attack. Okay and then I'll make a second attack. That's an eighteen to hit that hits as well sweet ten damage great and then I'll do offhand attack. twenty four hits ten damage. Nice yeah you take a real good wack doc at one of these millions okay licking the wound with. Its very long tongue. The area sure you want to eat them. Oh the delicious okay. They must be there because they are delicious. To look at sea as I'm as I'm trying I indicate I still have the dead smile and cry this beautiful darts your is to try and wipe the tears away. You and I were alone in this world. Are you making a connection with the food no okay. That's the Iran Ramilia turn. One of them is going to go other. Each is going to go after each of you. I believe okay They're going after Jin's first one mrs his second attack hits I have twenty one. AFC Right now defensive flourish. Oh Shit. That's still only one of those attacks. Hits with that defensive defensive flourish. I'm going to cash shield. Oh what does that bumpier to twenty-six that each of those attacks Mrs Great Way to go who who cool that brings us to nyack. Let me take three hits at you. You're going home nyack competition the first one MRS second one hits the second to attacks hit. We're GONNA use their claws here a nineteen damage nyack. Okay now. They're going after onyx okay. I attack Mrs. Second Attack Services. Yes third attack. Oh Hits Shield your shield. Yeah okay. Great that Mrs all right Nice Nice a good either burn slot but it was. Did you use your obsidian. Shield or your slots shield. All right. They go I use my a little war horse. You don't need to say anything. I don't think that thinking breath. All right I ended up of that. Ah That's dreadful. Cook that good. We could never however using heat and he's producing a lot of milk. I really think we should made it. Is that so. They produce milk the males the moon according thing. Okay wow I see the sax right under their their prominent. Yeah okay good to know you learn something in the kitchen. The kitchen is a classroom if you make it so onyx that's going to be your turn. Okay I'm going to wield my fiery elemental weapon to torch this little creature grit. Yeah go for it. It does a sixteen hits. Yes okay now I have an extra two D four and plus two to the damage because of my elemental weapon. Then Nice. I attack is seventeen. Wow Nice are you attacking the one that was attacking you or the one that was attacking Jin. Do we do Cleveland this. Yeah okay I will attack the one that was attacking Janse. What's this collaborative thing? We're not sending people well home brother the best me. I don't WanNa have to go home. Another person makes aside. I don't want to have to go home because of this. That's all I'm saying. Sort of a friendsgiving deal this. You know there's only the only lose those that die. Yeah this is like sort of a potluck thing. What is friendsgiving? That's so sad. You recognize the second part of the word but not the verse bar like a Thanksgiving for friends. Do you know what Thanksgiving you. Yes thanksgiving yes. Your family has nice to have you over. What is friendsgiving obligated to have you over? What are you hang out with your family? What are you please as Mama Do? Not Listen to this this will be upsetting to the stomach. We must get some love in this kitchen for this sad sad stew of a man back. uh-huh did you seventeen damage going okay. I'll take another attack of that. Same this is the one that hit another Daggett. Get that same one. I am guessing. A twenty-seven is going to hit. Hit Big time this one is mine. I marked it brand it. must you ruin it another seventeen great. It's starting to bleed a little bit starting to pant one of its antlers hanging off but it's still got some fighting experiment it and I'm going to hit obsidian on the side. So that obsidian accidentally squirts milk at in. Do you WANNA enroll attack for obsidian. See The splashes milk on it as a base the milk Mrs and lands on a nearby flower which wilt instantly potent milk lots of lactic acid in that one. It's basically the yogurt. Okay that's your turn Nyack. That's you I missed. He flipped over to where the milk a wilted the flour. It did did my Arrow in it and I fire it. At what is it called the Reptilian. Three million million million go ahead. I'll let you add. Had a extra poison to that sweet. I was also going to declare it my show. Oh Nice so you get advantage on it. That's right so that is a twenty one to hit that hits ten Davidge tin damage a dollop of sour cream. Green right into this Romanian. And all and I'll fire a second Arrow and that is a twenty two twenty two we'll hit are are you firing at the same one. All teaming up on John's hurt one yet. Wow disrespectful cooking is conversation not a solo. I can't disagree. Eighteen damage. Eighteen damage on the second grade. Okay Yeah it's looking real fucked up. The milk is not helping everyone. Dip your weapons are weapons in Obsidian. Nectar AH NO THE ACID UTAH at the steel. Hold on all. Why don't you roll? Initiative for Obsidian will roll to see if they produce milk as seen sixteen all right there at the top of the order. Now let's go ahead and yeah enroll just doing a normal role and if it's above fifteen they produce poison on the attend dry nips animal. I animal and he is unpredictable. Truly Jin's your turn take my swings. That's a twenty-seven hit that'll hit the seven damage on the first attack. Second attack is a twenty six to hit twelve damage ooh it's looking real. Her majestic beasts looks like it's on its last legs so sorry understand. God uh-huh diligent raw. I'm just a mimic like a pair. It taught me these specific phrases That seems cruel. Eighteen that hits Jin's go ahead and unless you got less than a to go ahead and finish this romy Leeann I- I covered asleep. Put my hands over it and go. This one's mind and then I slit his throat. Kill a clean kill here. It's just knocking the bell circle of life. Yeah I oh I did try to. I have an idea for dish ha so little. You don't understand. Cookie works this is the millions. Turn the two remaining ones I think both of them the I guess you got the credit you wanted. This is Michael. He said okay. Okay so yep twenty. Six we'll hit you and they're going to. Yeah they miss on their Claude tax but they're Hornak hits and in place of that Hornacek. They're they're going to breathe some fire at you. Do I make a saving throw. Oh yes sorry I need you to make a fifteen thirty save easy eighteen gene half damage then so I guess just three dates fourteen damage. How Eh and then the next one is also going to attack you? They're going to miss their horn if the hit with their claws. Let's see okay okay One clause going to miss but the second claw will hits I'm GonNa Catch Shield twenty-three yes mrs great okay. Cool you avoid this. Swipe of justice and that is the Ra- millions turn in and you were very good at dodging when you bring us to Onyx. Okay I'M GONNA go after whichever one hit Jen's harder thank you. Oh I'm sorry whichever one I'm going to go after him like a faint and then go one that such etched dishonesty rotten players finale as you and I on Exceed Twenty eight people wanna see. It's it's like a comeback story rather the first ever villain on Great British Bake Off Gentlemen Dell three twenty three damage. Yep Great again. Twenty six twenty six hits twenty one. ooh Damage Image. GOOF big licks. Yeah you get some nice shops in using elemental weapons so every kiss of my mall is searing that Oh aw it's like a very extremely raw steak yes I'll just kissing on the outside lovely nice enroll inside and also throwing some crusted. crusted butterfinger do it sweet and savory I love it is that your turn. That's my goal Nyack do you. Are you going to go for the one onyx late into or are you going to go for the one. That's at full health. I leap up in the air and do a three sixty I shoot my arrow straight up in the the air and they come down on the experts going. Can you chartres if he rolls low. Yeah that is rolling advantage spinning so much. So that is a twenty four to hit twenty four hits and that is fifteen damage. twenty-one hit hits fifteen damage fifteen more damage. This one's already starting to look hurt to make a meal of me to be yes. We are just fake animals made by the mall. Don't worry it's guilt free and yet it makes me question. Shen what your existence is. It's free horace but beyond me said well. That's me proteins. This is growing something in laboratory leaning far beyond okay. Dark ritual brought us here. We die and I returned to Mush and then we are born again of meat this worse than what I originally thought it does seem like a terrible faith be we constantly through. This is our way to die to be eaten die again. This is the way the way. Is that your tax. Yes okay great. That brings us back around as a city baby. I try to show obsidian a picture of like a sexy Muna corn. Ah We had that mass now. Govern goodness is that right. That's a blood creature on the five dusty nips so dry August came out of convinced. Milk comes out okay. That's pretty good on their James. It's your turn. I heave that it's nine damage. Okay Greg Second Attack Twenty one yup damage okay. And then my offhand attack check sixteen hits yeah eleven damage. Jen's your claim all the credit. This looking real hurt as well. I see that it has been dusted by Vivey romance around this one and cut it's throat this one's remind it's still hanging in their saliva. Yeah just bleeding everywhere got. Oh Yeah you didn't hit the jugular freaking out. I was not. What do you call? When there's there's like butchers who do it humanely kosher? Okay okay. That brings us to. The Romanians is the one whose neck you just cut. It's got to try and buck you and then I guess just gouge you with Horn. Let's see here. We'll deserve twenty four is going to hit unless you're going to do some bullshit Nope K.. Twelve damage how. It's one an hour and let's do to follow up claw tax fourteen. Mrs Thirteen misses all right cool to MRS and of course the the other one sees its friend in distress. No we promised we die together. We will become one large lump of Debbie consumed. It tastes bigger. We will be squeezed out of the Tube I will turn you into paste. Just lay down your weapons okay Nineteen is going to hit. You need Claude tax miss. That's going to be eight more damage. You all right and that is millions turn one is looking extremely hurt. The other is mourning the fact that they won't die together as they had planned. Okay I'm going to attack the hurt. Romilly specifically avoid the gaping wound in the neck. Yeah because I think that is inhumane. Does they twenty one hit that. It's I'm going to serum for for eighteen eighteen onyx. Finish this Romanian. Okay I think I like to just Chris the entire outside side so that it's like a nice charred but like soft on the inside Louis of you. Thank you for the assist like a like a Cajun blackened. Charred Dr Jen. Yes I Jim Black and thing. Yeah Okay so you prepare a Cajun or Amelean. Jin's how did you prepare your million that you killed I o boy you can take a moment to think about it while Nyack attacks tech. Oh okay you can cleave onto the next one. warm-up them up for Nyack yes please does. Eighteen hits hits for seventeen okay. Is that your turn. That is my nitrite nyack. You're up I shoot my Arrow and miss that is twelve that does miss I shoot another Arrow okay and I hit at the nineteen that hits. Please make me Mersch. I don't know if I want to damage cool. We must be marsh rush. We must be okay once again city in turn. Can we make that milk. Okay I can I give him like some like but scratches but like the kind that make animals like feel confused the next stop it. Thank you to Al.. Why does he have performance anxiety? Ryan Horny Tell your horse to run away. Helix are you shootings in heat. We've free you OBSIDIAN is eight. I'm not being much chows very proxy owners friend. I free you James. It's your turn. Swedes scoop up a little obsidian dust could stab. ooh That's not very good. That's thirteen Mrs Ding second attack. Yikes that's twelve that MRS stoop great tax. Aw Yeah I did a bad job. I will say when luck the way prepared. My last one is through a combination of hunger. Men Dinners The rest of the energy drink and the feminine the feminine products. Just I just I just need a feel I I mea diva diva but I use a Tampon. I do like a duck in okay okay. Took a sauce and you put it in the Tampon off. Squeegee over the meets a thank you I do that. Yeah so it's a hungry man. Dinner with slabs of Romanian steak on top and then a drizzling I guess like gravy blood sauce gravy Tampa Notre Dame four fits the yield brother. I am the master okay. So you've made sad man Dan stakes wandering with temp on gravy interesting. I was just using as is an applicator. Never seen that before so I guess points originality as it were thank you big smile and shark is this is the the shark landlord is ah AH polite contested. It's clearly devastated. Their Amelia Mr Moore. You know who they're attacked twenty two F.. I'm GonNa Catch Shield twenty-three AC see now. All right they're gonNA try and swipe with their clubs. Get out of here thirteen and seventeen. That's this is they both missed eight eight okay. So there's one million left onyx you're up okay. I will attack this or a million. I got an at one. But because of my elemental weapon I get a plus twelve. Thirteen is going to miss. Okay I miss does an eighteen hit his. I hit them for twenty two. I see him since also. Maybe I put the weapon through its body so that it's getting seared from the inside. Oh warm ended up on the inside you know. See Your no fear. Is that your turn my turn Niagara to you baby. I will fire both of my shots at once. Beautiful ooh that is a eighteen and a net twenty cook a meal thirty five damage. Wow Okay it's looking hurt. Nyack this one has got your name on it. I want to set it free and give Mama a salad choice but unfortunately it is Pity and turn and let's see if they choose to make some milk. Okay I train. OBSIDIAN is on Nyack. S He's doing this impressive. Maneuver the milk. You honor me issues forth you catch it in a new thing. I get it on my blade. How it's laid is on fire so I really couldn't do that so I just take some diva cup? True Diva I bet to Jen. So Jen's you know of a Diva Cup of rancid milk and milk on my bleed perfect. This is my life smile. Swing wink still smiling. Shooting outside of the box cooking twenty seven please blink brother game just tweeting smiling extra for poison. Yeah do poisons weeds. That's fifteen damage on the first Senate and ice Second attack that is twenty five to hit Hits as poisoning just on the first Yeah we'll see. You could have it on both. Oh great sweep that is I mean it was full watt. This is a big. This is an exce l.. Fourteen damage teen damage image. Diva milk damage. Japan's finish this Romanian. I look at Nyack and I go brother. Would you have me free him. Yes brother I laugh at. You're going home the right choice. I love it not usually usually a villain shows the camera to make friends to cook. Doc I want this but not this way and you defeat it Nyack. Do you want to prepare this dish. Ashore you abstaining miserable. I'm going to prepare but I have got some tricks at my sleep. Okay so we have sad man stakes from Jin's Cajun remedial alien from onyx. How would you like to prepare yours? I have the leftover the remnants of a wilted salad is that leaves left up. Okay I'm GonNa mix that with some obsidian milk cream spinach Make a beautiful a cream dream if you will and I I beg you to eat this dish without the remediation meet at promise. You won't Miss It. I beg of you the let them stay in thereafter life. I will get a double meet my subway style. Do you allow Jin Scoop your leftover meat. You can do whatever he wants his ticket home. AH GETTING HEATED TRAUMA Can I see if this makes if obsidian is impressed by this. Move by NYACK DOC. I was curious. Yeah say Xanana Performing Obsidian so that really devastating. Why don't you all roll your three dice simultaneously and then just give me the number fifty four fifty four H. E. AT forty one? Forty one thirty two you. Can I jump on. Okay here. We go I'm going to read. I'm going to slingshot. Doc Grapes into his mouth. All in case he gets agitated So you see mama kind kind of goes down the line. She eats the sad man steaks and says despite everything I know is in this and and how you applied the gravy which I watched you do and it was. It was filthy. I don't know how else to say it. It was disgusting acts interesting interesting. Note the meal taste fantastic. Thank you you can do. Thirty eight of flavor damage. I would love to so much advocacy opportunity. I honestly don't know how you do it. Fifteen full of Shit. He just waited till the after show. I wait until the reunion show on X.. Onyx York Occa-. Hey Jeremy Million Was a brave twist on a classic and I enjoyed it tremendously quite good to of flavor damage. That's going to be eleven eleven damage wonderful and that brings us to nyack. You try very hard. But they're certainly certainly ruins a grow with your cream dream. You get to do one eight damage but for the biting comments comments. She's made I'm going to be taking a bite attack at you. That's three. She looked sad it what she's had to do. Let me go ahead and take a bite attack. Was I going to be. What are you? Add nyack twenty to retrieve triple-team style. I really want to give you a gripe now you take seventeen points of psychic damage from those biting comments comments to make friends now. I know that temperatures are running hot. And that's the way we like it because because you need a hot oven to make delicious food and that of course brings us to our final challenge. Contestants are already obviously not. I need to speak tonight back real quick. I grabbed nyack shoulders and I pull in close and I go look. Everyone knows it has to be you and me in the finale. I want to play ball. I kick in the he'll the collapse back up and pretend like it didn't happen. You Talk. People love drama. They loved the two brothers each other brother. I knew it was all a game. It's all a game. I came down again. I give Nyakabuye tickets and then I will cast a third level cure. How we okay that that is twenty one Nyack and then you've got a D. Tab of inspiration to us on your skill checks hopefully will oga throwing up on this time last? Up of course is off finale challenge here. It is using only the ingredients found in the surrounding Environment Make a delightful show-stopping cherries jubilee but with a modern twist contestants get to it okay obsidian I'm GonNa need you to produce the guys seventeen cities make talk so yeah obsidian was first in the order they produced Milt Jin's that's going to be your turn now great. Do You WanNa Make Cherries Jubilee. What are you going to use to Make Your Cherries jubilee? What is it cherries? I looked at it before and I believe it is actually. I needed double check. It's basically like Cherry on ice cream team. There's one more ingredient hold on. Oh I do need is definitely take I will definitely take up several diva cups. I yeah well. I'll take a diva cup of us. Tampon applicator. That I have to scoop up some citizens milk truly so while. I'm sitting in the milk and then I am going to do. What can I do to raise? I guess look out into the I'm going to cast friends and even though I don't really need to. I WanNa make him feel really guilty if he doesn't help me do this. I'm casting friends friends on Nyack in Hawaii Cherries. Oh the alliances strong. Does he have to make a save. I think also just to clarify cherries. Jubilee is Cherries in Liqueur Flam. Baid put over ice cream. Okay Oh good so I do. Have my Miami flames still going elements. We have alcohol alcohol too. I'm casting flask. I'm I'm going to send Nyack off. It is just a charisma. I wait for the duration. You have advantage on all Christmas extracted at one creature of your choice. That isn't hostile towards the spell ends the fluence the mood and be host hostile to talk it out creature prone to violence insult attack. You Niagara around to it's happening. I'm just as for a minute. It just works so I just magically adjective influence to to go pick up some berries I brother try to find US Jerry's but if not just some other kind of non-poisonous Berry will do just fi you. You didn't even have to ask. I know I did NYACK. Why don't you give me a nature? Survival Check Ziv. You can find some berries the type of Barry it will depend upon your role nineteen nineteen. Yes Fuck You find some cherries you some big juicy Mira Chinos just dangling. I'm from a tree. Brings them to us. You Got The cherries. What else you you put in there? I guess Jerry's Emil Milk. I used just some like try to use them like magical energy to try to freeze the milk and and he's a little bit of beer. Maybe sure yeah. That is a pretty close approximation of Cherries. Jubilee I'm not GonNa make you roll with disadvantage or anything go ahead and do your three roles a great okay. That is a fifteen on history. Great Oh my Lord that is a thirty on sleight of hand forty five so far and then performance and that is a a twenty and performance. Shit again Jin's despite watching you put this together using a diva cup full of rancid milk that you froze into what is essentially an ice cube of milk. This is the Best Just Cherries jubilee. Ever tasted thank you so much it is critically delicious. Thank you though. It's an honor that you get to do. Five eighths of labor damage. Well Twenty three twenty three. Wow Mama's looking overwhelmed by just the Symphony of Flavor in Your Cherries Jubilee. She's so close to the edge flavor. Please take her there. onyx okay. I'm going to do all the same stuff except I'm going to try to forage for Vanilla Wolves. I can add it to the the milk. All right yeah go ahead and make nature or survival if you do well enough. I'll let you roll advantage on one of your compositions to send Nyack out to get eh happily seventeen seventeen. Yeah you don't Find Vanilla Nila plant you find of Manila's hard which is a little Gecko guy. Assume he's in heat so I try to stroke them in a way that makes some vanilla just bleeds out of him. She checking off. I'm just humming to myself. Um Out there for fifteen minutes. She's in heat. Go ahead and roll with advantage on one of your goals. Okay what okay. That's going to be a atom. All things about shit should've checked. If there was a desert in the hungry man. looker Stale Cookie Little Brownie. There was a breading there. You mentioned that before fifty five fifty five. It's it's not critically delicious but this is a fantastic cherries jubilee. I think that what you went for with the Vanilla Zahed was lovely But unfortunately it does taste strongly of come protein flavor to it something about the Coyote Moon. Coyote Moon Big Halloween. He's going to church. I'm sure that's three eighths of labor damage thirteen thirteen okay. Oof Yup You can see a little stones crumbling off the side. It's almost like they have. Meat sweats but in Rockford sweats. Sweet swear he brother Nyack. It's up to you you remember. This is a Cherry Jubilee Nouveau. I'm making it a cup. It's a little bit more of a milkshake. We have rancid milk. Vanilla Cherry term regular cherry a Brownie covered in jam scorched just a bit. It's sort of a crystallized sugar caramelized. I love it advantage the role all of your days of advantage a good Lord remembered add some bargains brazen at the end. Sixty four the Momma. Aw is overwhelmed. Crystal Tears leak out of her eyes as she just takes Bite after Bite of Your Cherries Cherries Jubilee. Nouveau gradient was the come tell. How did you prepare that come so well? How did you get the come flavor out of the age just a little bit? It was new. Come when you used it and I scooped it from the ground. Me dander smile vile as bombers brace nyack. Your decision to age become ever so slightly. So that could ferment in the opener. Game your dish. A yeasty flavor things. I experience exemplifies the beauty and delicacy and passion of cooking that I love to see chef eyebrow. I name you the cooking Mama Middle Angel Chef of the year. What's whole brother other ships coming Tom? He doesn't know what friends giving. You seem even though our friends. Our friends on I really sorry rights and that could you be mad. Add rather leads a minute later. Why did you sorry elemental weapons? The last two hours I mean for an hour does eight. Thirty hit yes. Ah Get all fighting for L.. For Twenty the whole time so hurt fourteen lower take a big event and then give him a great. Thanks does that give to me. Yeah I appreciate it Mama wipes tears from her eyes with her massive stone tongue and says what's an amazing being challenge. There were a few ups and downs. Laughter tears lots of bloodshed overall. But you three prove that with enough patience effort and love anyone can make a dish delicious enough to say the Infinite Hunga of a curse cavern. Congratulations I grant each each of you permission to enter the peripheral trip ends on the way fall and Bang Hang my head that Mama opens her mouth Super Wide Open. Aladdin style like the little cavern. Oh Jaffar yeah absolutely once again. The style is Oprah Ladan as Mama opens her moss super wide it it freezes in place like the Cave of wonders the stalactites and Stalagmites retract enter Amethyst ICEES glow you can now enter the peripheral. You hear wow that was a that was the weirdest challen she's ever done normally really. It's just you know she tried to fight. You lasers on the finale so much take into account the first two challenges. You love finale all the fidelity so I guess you'll be entering the cave. Yes is this as far as you go. I must return to my people. Now that you've helped lift this cloud Dasa's put over me. I can return to a to serving the people of knuckle ten but I look forward to seeing what you find in there. I will grant you your privacy about what you're looking in four. You seem like good folks and this is clearly. What the DOS wanting me to do? So this is far as I go and I wish you the best of luck go go with my blessing as well as all the people of ran a four and the DOS above all we thank you haven classes shoulders. You you helped us so much and you also taught us so much thank you. We teach each other every day. Cooking is a classroom. Oh you think that I was listening. It's really catchy. Real quick haven. Do you have any kind of healing capabilities. This those lizards were only attacking me and then onyx. beat the shit out of me sore loser because she came in third I gave them another the great and also kick his new. Unfortunately I'm still a pretty zonked out from summoning Mama so so I have no heels to give but I can give you a piece of wisdom as you depart. Okay Pinch your shoulder and cast cure wounds on you as thank you. I know that change can be difficult. Seeing your mother with someone else and seeing honestly too much of your friends can be a little hard but if you trust in yourself off you'll get what you need one day. I truly believe that. Smiling and weeping whatever good luck in there and keep your wits about you the peripheral has a funny way of getting into your thoughts hairy so the silverback clasps you all on the shoulders gives you a big gorilla hug ruffles mullet Nyack and then it's back into the jungle back to Nicholson village. And you are left with this massive cave facing can you as you start descending into it you hear a familiar laughter and and this time all three of you hear the voice champion. You're so the goal Ooh for which you were chosen now. Chaos your hearts and bringing the crystals to a it. And that's where we'll in our session you you bastard Lou probably a champion. So Sherry's school win win situation. Uh Yeah ooh boy. Wow that was is a fun when you so into the show Greg of obsidian being in heat it was so exciting to roll and then also here obsidian reaction houses kicking my legs out. I was. I don't think I've ever been more on the edge of my seat than when I was waiting to see if obsidian the and would produce milk no was worth it when finally thank you all so so much for listening. I want to give a quick shout out to Daniel Ramos for redoing these sound mixing on the show and providing music. Of course you can find them at Dr Schubert on Instagram or Daniel Ramos Dot Com. Thank you Henry. A for the Dandy beyond subscription that he used to plan these sessions and of course thank you so so much to Jens Christian T. You are of course Mama's little star Baker every time no exceptions. Of course composes. Some of the music you heard in this episode. Thank you all all and thank you all for playing in my fun. Little Cook and Sandbox has done. Yeah thanks let me be on great British bake off screamed. 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Close is. You know zoom has now become like the way to socially interact with people and I want to keep a different every time, and that's why today I'm in what is to be outside? Yeah. This is from shadow of the Colossus. On. You know they just did a re master on ps four you haven't. I'm sorry what it's a video game yesterday video. Card Carlos said it earlier I? Got It. I. Thought you were like an ink and ruin instead of. Really tunes out my vote. I want to ask you what was the last video game that you remember playing. tetris yes. You really just went from the Old Stack out gotta say if you said Pacman than you know your. Mail, ran for me. Thank you very much. Yes. Not. Okay. But I had tetris on my phone like I downloaded the APP me and my sister and we were like I mean I was just getting too obsessed with it like it was like worse than like even getting on. INSTAGRAM. Might. Thumbs. Felt like I had carpal tunnel like every day because I was just going so hard core but. Entree Yeah. It's a great game you ever played. So you never play candy crush now I stood away from it. Did you guys ever play? Can I stayed away from it to I mean In general are just addicting. You know. When I fell addicted to which you never talked about it maybe. Yeah, the the family guy won the quest for stuff. I question idea hard in two thousand, fourteen way. What are you joining if like the simpsons? What is just like a? Mobile game. You're just like doing stupid things. There's no point to it. There's no games like you keep building the the city and you get questioned stuff. It really is if you get involved and you start paying for it and I got. Well. No. If you want to speed up the things to gain more. Freedom otherwise how they get paid. Game that you can pay like ten dollars play like with this new system you end up spending more than three hundred dollars without even noticing because. Invested you're like I'm going to keep putting money. I JUST WANNA hurry up I WANNA get this question I wanna do this thing and they got me anything that you chose family guy over Simpson's I mean. Claim both I started playing both at the same time for some reason I just ended up switching over to family guy I. Don't know how. A lot of free time. The? Like raw and wrong is an American dad game because I play that I think I think it's incorporated in time. Sure. There is. Also that Roger Alien yet it okay. You guys success ex I can't no more no more games no more game November thought. Related. Nation though yes. Tony always has the best way to like get that transition I love it. Okay. Yes I. Am Lake Super duper debris excited for this guest. We've we wanted to had her we've wanted to have her on for a while and she is legit up first Disney'll Latina. Amy. I. Don't know why I'm waving this. Growth. I had to ensure you with that specific. Royalty. Greenspan Miami. On. Aren't they all that's right. That's. Right. I'm sorry are. On. Lease I honestly. There's some episodes that I think I personally can. Say. Many times and I'm like I get. A phone. That's part of the appeal young. Online. boosy ratchet at the same time. Okay. I'll. Michigan. Hand in hand. Can you use your powers to sort of make the first Disney Miami? Let's say Oh. My God I only I would love to. You know obviously I have no. Pol- at all Disney or the powers-that-be. They don't WanNa take my suggestions but but I think like a perfect. So I'm from Kendall. Yes baby. Yeah. The listeners. For the listeners that don't know trying to find a good reference to like it's not I don't think it's technically a suburb because it's still the city of Miami but it's sort of like has a suburb feel and for the most part it's majority Latino let the Latin x people and They're very prissy. You know. Part of. This and is sort of like if you were from. Like whatever part of Jersey everybody does their nails and and like you know everybody looks really like put together all the time and the kids go to private school made they go to Catholic school So it is a place where a Miami Princess would live. Beyond. And she would have her perfect little town homes in front. Know it next to next to like the movie theater and a target I. Don't maybe they don't maybe even like horse country you know that part. Yeah. Go to school near Horse. She has to have her. country's. Staple Plate like, oh, my gosh almost impossible to describe but horse country is a part of Kendall that is I think traditionally was a lot of farmland and rural rural land, and now it's like a bunch of ranches and early exotic plant nurseries. But then there's also like a random like castle school. Yeah. In the middle of it, that's where I went to School Holy Cross Academy. It's not there anymore now it's something else always up there. Now I remember doing sports on because I went to earn paw. Like we were in the roads and you get all across the the foreign. I remember like we would get in the bus or whatever. We brought his places so far like sweaty. So every time by the got there didn't matter what season it was a Miami late crew sweating well, when people think of Miami to. South beach and who could blame them when people think of La they think of either Hollywood. Or whatever? But Miami is actually really sprawling place and there's little pockets in every pocketed. So different in kind of weird like every pocket has its own sort of weird little. vibe but yeah so. If, there was going to be princess in Miami she would absolutely be from Kendall Valley? Yes. And so we okay. So we usually do okay eka in the first half of our episode and we're super excited to have you on this episode for the full time and I kind of told you like if you wanted to pitch something and. Amy Get the begun located. Bachelor. I'm not well. I mean, I think people people are so sick of hearing people who I am, but the people who follow me on instagram. Toes of listening to me talk about politics but truly that is like the number one thing I will always speak Spanish. You know it's just such a cluster fuck and and so yeah I would say like that's the general. Beka. Situation Brom Top. What's that umbrella topically yeah umbrella? Yeah exactly I mean that's that's so good. Sorry. I'm like I mean okay up but I know I was GONNA say like. That's that's a good a topic honesty to kind of always talking about. But all right now, it's really like you know we just had like we were talking about earlier like the DNC just started the this week and there's a lot of stuff. You know we just finally heard that we have a VP like. Like they've named you on things like that where it's like stump people like I know a lot about the stuff because I like do the research. And educate myself but I I like we're all still learning even adults in our thirties like you like because it's well, and because we grow up if you grow up in this country, you're sort of sold a little bit of a bill of goods right? Like immediately you're told we are the most special exceptional country nothing but nobody can beat us nothing bad can happen here. So we grow up a thinking that we're the best would just so fucked up be thinking that it will always be this way. Right? Nothing can threaten our democracy our way of life. So those two things combined really makes for a populous. That is sort of apathetic to politics because they think well, it doesn't really affect me you know. everything will be okay. In the end we're all be fine. No matter what happens and I think after two thousand sixteen. At least I realized, I was like Oh new. So actually there is no calvary. There are no grownups that are gonNA come come over and clean up this mess. We're the grownups we are the ones in charge of we don't show up then then then this was what happens you know so. So Yeah I. think that I understand why people are so daunted by politics and it's by design they don't want you to understand if they wanted to understand people people would be you know per protesting in the streets even more than they are. Now they want to make something that is relatively simple if you are taught in school properly and are the proper history, not just this whitewash colonial bullshit that we learn. If you actually are taught this from a young age taught to participate. Then it's not so hard but if you're trying to play catch, wait wait wait. You know I thought I. Thought this or this is what I was told in. Columbus was a good guy. He's a bad guy. You know if we have to we have to deal with all this revisionist history that has been taught to us an ingrained. So. That's why it's kind of you know like a fucking mission to kind of stay on top of it because it is a whole world, it's like. If somebody tried to explain like fantasy football to me, I'd be like. Like Fantasy football you have to start when you're like four it's. GotTa start when you're. Young. Never get it and that's or any sort of fantasy leagues and that's how I. Feel about politics. It's if you're not immersed in it from a young age, then it's just kind of like this thing over your head that you don't want to deal with but I think you mentioned something that was that I think is truly the biggest issue with politics right now, which is that. We have to start questioning the things that are being taught to us. As individuals instead of accepting everything is reality, right? Yeah. That idea that you said. So well, like Oh, Christopher Columbus is a bad guy like that's not the way that I was taught in these like going to school in the US, you know what I mean like I. Think because the way that politics are taught in schools is so simplistic and sort of like if benefits the government to teach this watered down version of poems. Purpose exactly. So people questioned, don't question it at all and are like, oh no, this is my limited view of politics and that's fine blaze politics that you're talking about the actual real political like feeder of it. All is too complicated for me. So I'm just GONNA stick to my rudimentary like beliefs of politics and keeping that simple and I think people need to want to learn the complicated relationship that we have with our political government in order for us to be truly educated in the gray and. Oh sorry. Go ahead. Please note go say at the very least not get upset when the revision is like when you talk about what really happened now people says people get. Tied there yeah. Because of that, it's because of that a thing that we're talking about the exceptionalism this idea that lying if you're taught, I mean think about it if you're like you know. Seven years old and you're in your first civics class and you are taught this idea like amid the American experience. The American dream you know weep will the world out of World War Two. Sleeping giant we can do no wrong. So on the one hand you're being, we can do no wrong and then when. So then later when you're asked to be like owner no, actually it's more complicated than that. There's really fucked up shit that happened. Then you're not because somebody told me we we're perfect and so it is it is hard and then it becomes a part of your a becomes a part of yes. So many Americans is identity exactly you know. And also, no sense also like to piggyback like you. Said like we also, then we learn these things in school super vaguely right or whatever it is that they're teaching us and then we go home and we have parents and depending on what their views and what they think. It's also then then that gets affected on like your, you know on how you grow up thinking about politics because you know like I had a super duper duper liberal mom and I have a super-duper conservative father and you know they're both alive now and they're both the. Same in there like liberal. Party idea you know what I mean. So like I've struggle like sometimes talking with my conservative father. Yeah. Not maybe not sometimes every time literally every single and I love him, I love him so much and all of that but it's one of those things that it's like damn like I grew up thinking like everything that you said was right like I was okay with that and then I was like a wait. No I can have a choice like I haven't been. Yeah. That's huge razor. The idea of our parents influencing us here's what I'm going to say to as people who are working class lower middle class like. Especially, lat next families who don't have the time or the privilege to learn about politics a lot of times they just don't know about the way the government works especially when it comes to like people just trying to survive working. Three Jobs Yep like twenty hours a day like they don't have time to educate themselves young political. Just political knowledge. and. Now I mean it's yeah but it all because it also breaks contract to. Immigrants are are, are they come here under this idea that you know in America, you will find for freedom. You will find the dream right and and then they're like, well, I'm doing my part I'm working hard I'm paying taxes I'm you know I'm sending my kids to school I'm working busting my ass and the contract is broken because then the government. Is Not doing their part. So now it's like not only gifted your part. You also have to keep on the government to their their part and I think that's a huge huge deterrent and why people are tired and yeah right and also piggyback off of that. There's I mean the question is, why are there so many let Nex Republicans up there, 'cause. They exist they're real and there's a lot of them. And I think the idea is exactly what you were saying. That idea of like, oh, we fought hard to get the opportunity that was quote unquote promised to us. Yeah. So then you have other people who are asking for handouts so it's It's this weird mind game that the government manipulates working class next people. They have the mentality of like rich white people. Rug Alling to and yeah. Little they have. They're like I. Don't want anyone to take the little. Better yet they make 'em gatekeepers. That's what makes it even worse because that's the same thing about turning around be like, no, you have to do it the right way like I. Haven't even a thing. I remember the when Bush one of the things my mom who is an immigrant from Columbia voted for trump. And I was like, why did you vote? Why did you vote for trump and the only thing she said to me was well, he speak Spanish Oh my God yeah, and honestly for a lot next people that is One of the things that I think is is important to consider especially I'm from Miami and there are a lot of like Republicans there whenever trauma it was that they left you know move or whatever persecution or whatever political unrest. Latin. X immigrants left so take Cubans. For example, you know in the in the late fifties early sixties you know in their mind they. You know they. They've brought in Castro as the you know the savior. For for this authoritarian government, and then under the banner of socialist communism or whatever, and then when they, what they got was very different from communism is as it's written right so so then they moved here with the trauma of old, they will I will never live under a list or communist government, and so every time they smell it in the air. There's A. That's a good way to save smell. Voice like it doesn't matter what any like. Even there have even been some conservative. republican like. A political people and I'm like and like I've heard like Cubans tell me like none on hundred and book easily. Dunham like. An early? Yeah. If any damn like every damn is like a socialist. Trigger took. Yeah, it's crazy but but it's important to know that because it can maybe help us find a way out but i. but also traumas inherited. You know I I I think we're making progress but I have friends who are my age who are like You know very, very, not just conservative because now that's become like a whole different thing but public like A. Repeal. And it's it's scary people in their early thirties talking about like. It's it's weird and I know like I. Know You said earlier like all people are probably sick of me like like we'll sick of you dial politics but I want you to know like. Those people because I think that everything like like I think I think everything you're posting and everything you're seeing is not only like You're you're putting other people's information but then you also like break stuff down with everything is really important to like breakdown in a personal level and then a like like relate to like the ladder next people like women or women of whatever that is I think it's so important because I repulsive repulsive repulsive and that's right than me repulsing then also putting some personal implants to like let you know why I believe in this why I think this is right. Why? We shall defunding police why whatever that is you know what I mean like all these things are so important and like you are someone that people do follow for maybe a of are like anything else that you you know you shoot or you're doing or you're writing Belykh it's so nice to know that like, Oh, I, I like this girl for this call like Hollywood me but also like your like she's so smart and also vocal about what's going on saw. Yeah I think ultimately I think are doing the work that. Our government should be doing, which is making information accessible to be out. And doing. Exactly considerable. That's what it is. That's the big divide that we as a Latin excavation have that idea of information being assessable to people who desperately need that information so you're doing it in the best way. Possible. and. There are a lot of great. You know there are a lot of new politicians out there like Alexandra Customer Cortez who does who does that kind of outreach egos on live and she like she teaches you how to make a cocktail. It's also going to break down the the you know the democratic. National Convention nomination process she was like here's why I nominated. Bernie Sanders even though I'm supporting job eggs and she when she breaks down and that's I think that's what people really want and not yeah. Yeah definitely I one, hundred percent agree Tony You have something to say oh Stable. When you said cocktail I went. Got Eighth All right now. I lose an Espresso Martini ever had one. You're so good. Delicious and imagine if they made like Ecolab Martini, they hobby. In Miami in this. And I think it's a ball and chain I. Think they how? On chain. Chain. Guys. State Senator Jose Rodriguez. Celebration Democrat at ball and chain and Yes. I? Am You know what I miss Muslim coyotes sorry I. I want like I want a really good like Cuban toast like. Like not one high. But you know that large bread. That's what I want, and it's almost impossible to find. Okay we allow is I'm Puerto. Rican half Rican Pennsylvania. We need to we need to take A. Break and we're GONNA have a Laleh some cocktails and some on. The car. Take. A quick break. What have you had the opportunity to hear compelling firsthand accounts about the often leiper or states of unchecked biases and bigotry? Would you listen? 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But like it was like very funky designs and they highlight those smooth like bathtub like in the room in the middle of the bed, I've ever been to him what I remember like. Younger when this was like a thing. But I remember hearing about it and losing fixtures the. I bet it was full for like Prom. Season off. I. Hope Not. Tony. Like. Where did you? Where amy where did you go for Prom? Like where was your promise? Oh my God you guys. So we had our promises going to sound very fancy but I need you I need you to also remember that I am not from a wealthy part of Miami so like this but like. Like minus many many class points. Okay. Wait where. Where'd you go? Yeah I I went to Archbishop Carroll High School and Archbishop Curley, which is another scorch carols deep Kendall and. And we had our prominent yacht. and. Let me tell you this boat. No God I don't know if that ever people were showing up drunk. The thing with Miami is now the culture around. least when I was growing up there, the culture around drinking was. So fucking weird like I am going to clubs like I was going to clubs when I was fifteen I said I say like everyone says that race? Yeah. No. It's like when you go to like like Italy this weekend like they were doing beer pong and playing like they were doing like this like like all these games like vert whatever and I was just like, yeah never played any no I. I don't know like I was going to clubs when I was fifteen. Bats I it. That's not weird in Miami. One Bats and I. Look we're not going when you're fifteen you're not going to the clubs that like the heat players are going to like you're not going. Only. Seventeen you're going to lay like in couch or like you're going to like like the just the grossest clubs that you can possibly get into. This is what you get. You get in because you go with your girl. There's like maybe four five or six girls and there was always like an older sister not older by much. But like maybe she's seventeen she's got a fake id right and then you so that sister goes in I. Oh, by the way, if you bring even one guy, it's not happening. Ria De. Bottles they got by bottles or they have to know the promoter and be layup bringing in this one guy bring they gotta bring in will girls and he literally like twelve girls around. And they better be wearing heels and. And they. Yeah they have to look like a ten in there is of Miami, which is different. I know it. You guys it was just like the worst and so so then you get in and it's like a four by six room and they're playing like whatever music and. All your only goal that evening is to get some due to buy you drinks without having to make out with him or without having to like you know like bootie dance with him, which is the worst case scenario. And? Your listeners. She wanted to do. Right Back. This ass. Booty dancing because I had to introduce the word. Buddhi dancing on another episode be cap it's called. And I'm like, yes, I'm like sixty nine boyz uncle luke like what are you talking about? Booty dancing yes. Because yes, it's working but also like I I don't know maybe I don't know enough about working or I haven't seen working in the wild they've only seen torquing on like Internet videos. But bootie dance like you may contact like you literally up on the guys shit like some grinding action. fucking. Life When you're in fifth grade, you're on, it's disgusting and like and like I remember going like say Nita's and like this is just hope people danced. In their parents like killeen. Like there is really grinding your. Fourteen year old kids Boehner. But ANYWAY THEY LEAN Donor. Battle. She's doing research. Okay. She's going to be premed. She back, Lord okay. She's got into or same Brenda y but but anyway, so we went. So we had our. Yacht whatever so gross and then, and then our parents actually rented a hotel rooms for us. The, after party for the Party. Yeah. So we I was at the fountain guys I didn't A. Friend like for one minute in in high school and. Wish I had no, I had no boyfriends and. I went with like my cousins friend like poor guy and he like left me immediately after he was he like, let them with a case of beer and I'm like what? Year old girl drinks beer but anyway so we were renting our rent was at. The fountain, Blue Hotel. and. My Prom night was literally this is what it consisted of I was like trying to sleep wasted on some bullshit like the hulk or like not yeager but something's Damore and Mike trying to sleep while trying not to throw up, and then there are actually people having sex in the city next to me in the same room there was like ten of us in the room to go having sex sober. And that is you know all you need to know about growing up in Miami. Man This is a crash course that I needed. Aim So happy to have. Like fellow Miami girl on because I feels. Vindicated. I bet people don't believe you talk about this. All my boyfriend. Okay. So my boyfriend is from Lake South Central Mexico and I say things and he's like, no, you weren't like no, and I'm like. Why I will. have to make it listens a yes. Making less and you know another really shocking thing about growing up in Miami as we grew up thinking that like pot marijuana was gross like we thought that was like gross in cheap like if it wasn't cocaine, we didn't want it. Would you? fucked I still think that getting. I feel like the California culture, even the teens like in the early two thousands of the nineties like we're like very like into we'd and very into cannabis and it was like a perfectly acceptable party drug or not a drug but whatever it was perfectly acceptable to like light essence substance at a party if somebody was like lighting up some fucking, we'd Miami. I it wasn't a blunt. Yeah. They didn't want it. It had to be black. And it was just very low-quality. Maybe we just got really bad. We'd in Miami I don't know. Yeah. Just wasn't the drug of choice people were jumping. Out there. The. Craft. WACO PUSHING DOWN WE. It was an array. What is now like you would say like regular weeds was rags knows like so when you will go by weight ability to rigs or do you want like like the good stuff later was just like the good stuff like rags but like you're on a budget, I only have this. And I'm like good but you know why you're Oregano also. Looking fifteen year old girl wants to smoke blind. Ask. Blunt. I to be able to roll them like we used to go to the to the corner store and get the the the single payment for whatever. For what he switches. Sweet. Sweet es and I could fuck you roll fat ass blunt by the time I was like sixteen for like whatever dudes. But I was like I don't want that England coke grow. Am You're doing. A little bit of weed as well. Listening. Nineteen. The Coke Lake was not even it was also such a like normal thing because. I would be like in like literally like religion glass and Yes. Oh. Lasalle and like I'd have like my girl on the text me on my like Nokia or my. Had My nokia a golden. Okay. I'm whatever. I'm like whatever was both on and it was like it was like, Hey, girl wanted take a bum in the second floor. Or whatever and I was like you know yeah ballgames and here what? Year year we also I. We know some I. was there two thousand I was classic, two, thousand, and four. Oh Yeah. We gotTA talk after. Old We know what I was GONNA say it's not only the coke. It was also like the thousand. You would show up to like A. L. A. Bar. Or, they were. Saying in high school. Yeah in high. In High, school. Palmetto no. There were doing listen. You down. Okay. Amy broke down the like like going to the club thing. I'm GONNA break down the like weekend thing when you like like saw Gatti's yeah we'll get or like going on a boat was like regular being got who's bowl? Are we going on? We're going to go on another thousand bowl. Okay Great, and then we have out from Berlin. Oh. Ver- Does young yeah. You get on the boat and like he wants to make sure that you only bring like these girls in. Like because I I was never like a bully or anything like that. But like I think backseats I'm like Oh my God, I was a monster. Lake I had to say, okay I can only pick these three girlfriends. And it's like why and I can only bring cotto 'em and cuddle. Say Michelle is going to get mad or like it's not my fault she was scattered she was scamming with. Last week. So she. You get on the boat and then it'd be like, okay like what do you guys want want Drinks Malibu? Do you want like on the mouth you want? Do you want the coke? You want the We'd do you want the news just like a hoping and you're like, Oh my God I am fifteen whole different experience when i? That do comedy from like the Mid West they're like, no real. Doing wits and shed. Serious I eat. Cleaner solution. Going off. Your. Normal weekend for us which is yeah while it's so wild because I believe. I'm so much older and I'm like I want to go on a bowl but like my friends that had both like now they have families and. They all have kids. there. Yeah they lost their Oh God looks at the first to go in Miami. Sorry guys I'm. seriously. It's like on Q.. Let Yeah. Yeah in college start looking a little. And then. They turned twenty seven they go bald completely no hair and have like why Betas on which is like GRANDPA's. They're all like boys leg. You know now I have a daughter Lake hungry. And you're like. Listen I still with my mom. And My? They don't like whatever like. I how rope you're? So there's this guy that I went to high school with who is just like a typical Miami Guy Nice Guy. But like you know kind of whatever and he said and he was like one of the first people to get married and every said in to a group of people was like, yeah, like I have a daughter brought lakes can you remember like like back in the day like all we were worried about was like you know like getting getting drinks and fingering installed. In that order. fingering that was like you're. Hurting. Drinks before we figure. Our biggest worry was like drinks fingering now I have a daughter I'm like well. Yeah. You. You wouldn't have a daughter. You know what? I mean I know. I always say that like the females like in Miami I always feel like our way like I. This is like such a superficial thing blake I always feel like the guys are not as q in Miami as their way more attractive in La and then like, but I think like. From Miami. Yeah like in Miami like is just lake. They're also they're all really pretty I. Think Miami's also one of these places where it's like you do have your superficial where the makeup to all of that you have a lot of like don't wear makeup just go out. Just. Like very like chill especially now, button definitely not when I was growing up I mean we go and have your heels on in your tight dress if you wanted to get into a club. I don't know man. It's also circles you run into you know like I'm sure that there were really cool. Low Key people that I just didn't know. We never did any of those both. Tony was bringing all. I really was closeted queer child in the church were you were you? Did you ever? Did you ever do drama club at your school at all my ego? Drop like a troop. Yeah we did and then I left that to be involved with the Catholic Youth Group Blake across the street across the street from the school. I weep for that me. Very Catholic as well and I and I would go to like you know we can retreat. This is really involved. Yes. So it's a weird kind of place for that. But like run one weekend, you're like you know like like marching pro-life. Oh Yeah. Thanks but then the next day. You. That I would go out to a club come home at like five am because you don't go out until like. One you know and so right. So you get five am reeking of booze and cigarettes because back then you could smoke in nightclubs and then I would be at like you know the Good Shepherd Ma I like. Seven Mass you know singing hymns in Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's a Miami is a whole visits. The Miami tour. Listen. Listen I jotted down notes I'm ready to take that quiz don't. Plan me. Okay. So I do want to talk about though Elena of Alar. Lor Avenue. I'm sorry. Listen I'm quoting eat. Out But How how how I mean? How was that was that? When you when you got when you found out that you got it like what like? I don't know because I think like Oh damn like she's like we've been dying for. Like it's like American girl I never got to see a I met when I was little I never got a lucky now American girl and now there is one like I didn't get one when I was little. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's. It's so funny what we get used to raise kids right. So like the only princess that I could ever be like you know dress up as for Halloween is jasmine she was our. And even Jason Not in the nineties. So for a lot of people, they didn't even have her you know but I grew up. My uncle is an an. Engineer, which is he's. Young. Won't drop the. I started with that Oscar Disney podcast. About imagine. Than imagine ear, he's amazing and so we grew up going to Disney often because you know he had the hookup and so we would go whenever we'd go visit my the Puerto Rican side of my family in Orlando would always be in the park. So I just Disney is a very big part of my upbringing and so when I got this audition, I was actually in Dominican Republic at an all inclusive resort like two sheets to the wind. So I got this email and I was like maybe now is not a good time. But to be fair I didn't know Disney is famously very secretive about their projects and their characters and everything. So they weren't like advertising. This is the first Prince Latina Princess. So it was just like an audition and I put it on tape and you know the process was lengthy but I found out I got a job I didn't really know what job I just knew. I got the job and then the press release came out the next day and my uncle who was in Orlando who gets the emails all and it was like you're the the new Latino princesses like now and I looked at on variety and I was like, Oh, shit you're like, Yeah No. I absolutely, and we have the same last name. Got It. Also, he was reading this. Daily newsletter that they send employees and he was like Oh my God. That's my knees. So. Yeah. That's sort of how I found out that it was. What it was the first princess princess and it's been so wonderful and I and I. Voice acting is not something that I ever. Even thought about doing. which fogging it's so annoying when people say that like I just fell into it. So, obnoxious but it's definitely one of those things that because I didn't know what I was getting into because I didn't know the importance in the weight that this was going to have I was very I was confident and I was relaxed. Confident. Because he didn't know the expectations of some exactly. Exactly. So I did my thing and entrusted that the people that hired me. Knew what they were doing and and that was my experience just learning on the job and having people be super super patient with me and really kind and you know I've gone on to do other animation. So I was doing I did share and the prince's of. Finger Net flicks and and but but Elena was my first and the thing with that is it's opened up. You know a whole new side of my career that I never really counted on are expected to be a part of and one of the great things about animation is everybody involved I've yet and I've been in, you know in animation in one way or another for over six years now may have yet to meet an asshole like literally never met. Like. A nasty person at all in any of my experiences. So because it's so hard to get information off the ground. So when you do get it off the ground, it's because you care because it's you've worked your ass off. So everyone I've worked with is just been such a delight. How many people ask you to do like voicemail for their kids? Yeah. A lot of. THEM DO YOU HAVE CAMEO? Do you don't I don't HAVE CAMEO But but but people used to ask me when this first came out there like can you do like a video and then quickly I realized that those kids like the kids that are young enough to enjoy Lena for you know like that are intended audience. They don't WanNa, see my my face. To Them Lena's Elena. So then we started doing the voice memos and I, and those are obviously much easier for me to do to to just do little like. It's Princess Elena calling whatever. I I. Actually, we had a comedian Rob Hubel on his daughter I BABYSAT for him a couple a couple of times because my friend babysits them whatever and like his daughter loves eleven like she likes. Them. Yeah. And it was so funny. Yeah I. Remember we talked about it on the podcast and it was just so cute. Those like. She loves. says. I watched so many episodes during the holidays with her because because she and it's so funny because she would just be like, no that one again none of. Although songs to sticking. Ever, my husband sometimes will be humming like songs that I. Like years ago because they're just like ear worms. That's part of what Disney does so well, is that the really just Kinda Hook it. With the songs. But that's one of my other favorite things about working on this show is that they got the music. So right so like one day, it'd be doing a that the other day I was doing this like super fascinating. GAM like a white guy wrote this like. Music Boom be is. Really really well done and and so we're headed tour towards our series finale on Saturday and And it's just it's just it feels so good to complete something that you can really stand behind to be proud of I. Think everybody on this podcast knows what it's like to sort of like do jobs air like wool Lino hoping. One or you want to take for the paycheck on, but it is so nice when you get to work on something that you really believe in that, you could go to you know go to town with your proud of. Yeah and I remember I think the the first time I watched you was I stumbled upon young and hungry. And literally, it's so funny 'cause like we've talked about this before I it's interesting sometimes when you watch a show and you have the two leads but then lighten the like. Ram Bear. But like you you guys like were the best. For me like it was all not just as it was a diverse group of like regnier but it's one of those things that when you watch the show and it's like Oh, yeah. This show would not be an like what it is. It wouldn't be as good without like you and the sweet and the other like to POC like, yeah you know stars that were on it and it was I don't know I just I. Thought those are really close show because it could have been all white and whatever you know and I think it's really nice. They never really push the Latino Superhero. Yeah. But like I told you had like. Because I'm from Miami. That's when I literally was like wait a minute who and I was like wait. She's she's from Miami. Put. 'cause like sometimes I'm like Oh. No one. Wrong. Girl that has a weird. No but. Like the Miami accent is so specific. pull it out of. It could be in a room of people screaming and if there's one person that's started talking like this. where? We fall into a it's like it's like, Madonna she was in Lia for how long? She's Everybody can you? Like. Like if I ever moved to Australia for a movie or something and I, come back, you know trying to like us an accident please. Same. Someone. A study abroad first semester and came back with an accent you're like. So like so fucking Miami like when people are like, I went to a studios for a semester. But I will say the interesting thing to Miami is like there are so many like, yeah obviously as like so many. Cubans buds then like now like I had so many Colombian friends I got a bunch of innocent. He knows you know like the Bolivian Peruvian ahead like death. All I was actually that was like a group even though it was like a mix of like all these countries like we would just call them the Colombians and they would lay sie. Cubans. Lifting and like you know, you'd go you go to the parties and key Biscayne and with the key rats and whatever, and the Colombian excuse me key rats. God He key rats. Yeah. That's the thing Alex Camaros like here at a key rat. Yeah meeting. Their. Let's backup. So in Miami there are you know very sort of wealthy areas that are stuff of legends if you will and key Biscayne is one of them and everybody that lives I mean people live in key Biscayne are well to do you know they all go to Gulliver or or ran some and those are like four times forty, thousand dollars a year prep schools yeah, and Those are the people that we kind of like would meet through sports because how else are you don't really run in the same circles them or maybe third like drama club in my case and and those. People with boats and Shit. Yeah But so yeah. So people like from keeps gainer called key route hockey rats and they just because you also you have to go over to purchase. A whole Tolan everything. You're staying like key largo key, west all. Asking for however no. I'm Mile Marker fifty to rant. Money. was going to say. Beyond like sometimes like I will be hanging out with them so much at the pig like. How they were talk and I will go home and my dad will get so pissed he's going to go on knowing me. And I would like, I don't know I'm Bob. I. Say Oh and he would get. Mad But I. Don't like the whole week and. The whatever. So. What we were just talking. It can happen in it happened. So quickly. The moral of this episode is. Madonna isn't weird. Look at that bringing it back. Con-. Revisionist history is on. One. Thing about Madonna. fucking right. It's like Bryce beers everybody everybody was like villain her when she had her, you know very public mental health situation and everyone's like him and now. Brittany Hash Britney. And rightfully. So so we can. We can take on our mistakes. Better. Next Adler. Yes. Yes. Valley Amy, thank you so much of this was so fun. Having me. Yes. I love the the Miami accent just like may feel maybe maybe feel like real like I'd be missing my family lowery now. Is Nice like have data lake. Okay. I know I totally feel that there's my friends and I we did A. Did a youtube video called Shit Miami girl say. Oh. Yeah and a lot of people are like watching the video so much but also we have a podcast that is not professional like literally we do it like once every four months it's very sad but our episodes I think are pretty funny. So if you if you miss it and you wanted to like listen to some Miami, people talking all play characters to it's like it's like very it's Improv like comedy whatever. I. Realized that I know those videos. Tell. ME. A DJ last. Tweet the other. My gun whenever DJ or or WHO's the other one that he works with a girl Oh my God i. Louis. Lopez. When Lucy Lopez retrieves my shit I'm like. Girl home but where can okay. So can you plug your podcast and also your handles and anything else that you have coming up so the thing that we have coming up is the finale of the series finale of Elena. Z. We play. You can also find it on Disney plus I'm not sure when this comes out but I'm assuming it's going to be after the finale. Also sheera on Netflix. It's a great great show. A man. I Love I. Love that show so much and then you can find me on amy career on twitter and on instagram. And I would also going to say, Oh, and then if you're really desperate and you want to know more about Miami the Miami girls say, Edba, cost is available to. Really set the bar so. So. Good. They love it. Yeah. Definitely. Follow Amy especially on that twitter in on that instagram because she is hosting the stuff you guys need to know again, registered a vote and vote blue. Yeah, you can register to vote and and here's the thing if your state has mail in voting. I know everybody's like you know rightfully, very worried about USPS and what's happening there. You can actually get your mail mail in ballot and your state might have an option where you can actually drop it off at a specific like ballot box. And Yeah. Exactly. And there you can just look it up Google Real Quick Steve Your state has dot. Yeah. Vo Dot Org. It might be like just around the corner from you can drop it off early or if you're like Oh my God I'm so rushed I. Didn't remember to send it out three weeks before and I didn't drop it off at the thing they you can go on election day to your I, think any polling place and literally not have to make the line. You just drop it off and give it to them and you will be counted if you're worried about Malian. Kellyanne. Perfect, all the new them, my new IT I. 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"Hello Mouse Keener here are your news headlines from CBS to New York. At least four more people shot overnight in New York City amid the ongoing surgeon gun violence. One of the victims, a twenty, five year old woman the police was shot in the head early Saturday in the melrose section of the Bronx, her family tells us she was a mother of three police are searching for suspects. The MTA is warning a vandalism spree could slow down train service to more seven trains had windows smashed overnight forcing the cars to. Be, taken out of service police say in the last several months, vandals have targeted dozens of subway cars on the seven two and three lines. The MTA says it has replaced more than four hundred windows at a cost of more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. New Concerns about a spike in Corona virus cases in Connecticut health officials say at least one, hundred, seventy, eight new cases have been confirmed in Danbury in the last two and a half weeks the spike is being linked to a recent domestic and international travel. Patients are being urged team for fourteen days and to cooperate with contact tracing efforts. Now, our weather a chance for isolated thunderstorm Saturday after mostly sunny day with a high of eighty, eight low of seventy four. The chance for scattered storms lingers into Sunday, but mostly sunny with a high of eighty seven lobes seventy four don't forget. You can get the forecast local news headlines on our streaming service CBS new. York just go to CBS new. York dot com or get it on the CBS News. I'm Alice Gainer CBS News.

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How Pro Athletes Use Cannabis for Performance

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How Pro Athletes Use Cannabis for Performance

"The, class of two thousand twenty deserves a proper sendoff, which is why Iheartradio and Doritos brings you commencement the podcast, featuring speeches and dedications from icons. We admire most here from Halsey. A lot of things we will never injury pit bull guys a generation. Go change the world, Becky, G, cashew, and many many more check out commencement the podcast out now on the iheartradio, APP, or wherever you get podcasts with a special Doritos of Alec Torian episode where Doritos takes graduation speeches to another level by naming five Valedictorians giving them each fifty thousand dollars in tuition assistance in sharing their speeches with the world. Guys the bobby bones I host the bobby show and I'm pretty much always sleepy, because I wake up with three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later on my friends together we get into a room and we do a radio show. We you're alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can, and we look through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music to so wake up with a bunch of my friends on ninety eight point seven W. MC in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP. What's up, everyone? I'm all Fulton. And this is best podcast. wondering why sound Little Brat. I literally just walked back in the door. Running. Rookie out. Which I did. After I took inedible. So today's episode is covering the overlap in two of my favorite things. We'd and sports. We decided to try working out while high I have to say I feel a little less sore. A little more focus, maybe and for some reason listen more Bob Seger, but I think that might just be a coincidence. So anyway. I'm talking to former NFL player. Eugene Monroe. About how he uses cannabis to manage chronic pain and his advocacy for cannabis in professional sports. We talked to Dr my cart. Who helps explain? Oh, cannabis can help physically and mentally people with lifestyles I also ask him about my own edibles experience to see if I'm. Full of Shit or not. And finally I talked to Floyd Landis who use CD to help them recover from years of depression and substance abuse. It's a really cool stories, so stick around for that but I I'm talking with former NBA Pro Al Harrington and how he got into the cannabis industry, and why he thinks it's time for the NBA to loosen up their own rules around cannabis. Here's our call. I need to go get some water. I also need to be in better shape. thank you. You're joining a call with one other person. Hey, what's up? It's from thorough list. Good. Can you hear me okay? I have to admit first of all I. Am I am a big Fan. I always loved watching. You play Unfortunately, I'm a big Knicks Fan, but you were bright spot in those couple of years. You played for us, so I always loved watching you. Great. Dog! And don't have. About right now, but. One day we coming one day one day. We got a hold on, so I want you know. I feel like after you got done playing you retired in twenty fifteen, you could have got involved with almost any type of investment opportunity. So why did you choose the cannabis industry something? That might be a little bit I. Don't know riskier than say opening up a car dealership. Coney of learning I. Kind of feed in contrast I think in two thousand and. Then the negative know. My grandmother came to play in the first season and we got. Pretty much. Act allows taking so much. Old Mister thing you bill away and they went instead. Look out with rock. So she got home and just having three days before. The New People how candidate. Location you know medicinally. About it and he was. You're right. You know very encouraging interested. Candidates so finally all the candidates and sort of marijuana. Even though she called the of course this I. A A can help me. And you know. Shut down for the next day. Shoot around about eleven o'clock in the morning and she. Actually make your kitchen complained about how bad her? Grandma wanted to track record your. Legal you know the docking prescribe it with. My single store. Richer and She would recommend so he came back with a string called. Vietnam Chris. Rock, look at a try it I went to the neck I laid on it. We'll check on her. And you know when I walk in the room. You know backwards. Looking down and Actually. Got Put on my face, and I'm not knowing how am I gonNA react. You're smoking smoking today coming. Seventy nine years old right when? He was crying you looking at me, Alum Hill, and I haven't been able to read the words of my by going over three years. and. What happening from China candidates for the Very Kerman? Five meter learn as much about ten about candidates about the. And that's why Ryan today. Because of you know the way they. Benefited my grandmother that that. That's awesome, so yeah, I mean. Of course. The company called by which is my grandmother's name so. you know when it came down to naming our company, you know we assign it Neymar coach now Dan, category We decided to name the company the person that. You know big leap of faith and very jumpy industry. You know obviously you were professional basketball players, so you know what it's like to operate at the highest level possible at least physically How do you think athletes can use cannabis to help heal their bodies especially when compared to something like. Painkillers like opiates, just speaking from your own experience. I mean you know athletes? I mean for for a very long time. Then you can enjoy. There's not a brandon thing. Right when you look at you know what candidates have done. Athletes and especially you know athlete for color. No, you know guys moving career. Scholarships all these different things you know because they enjoy you candidate or they. You can't even for different back. CanNot be diagnosed at that time. You know what I'm saying like. This guy's ragged. You think GonNa Inventory Mkhori too because the different thing. Go out to that. Game. So i. just feel like you know at the end of the day you talk about you know what best players and when you talk about you know quality of life, accurate sports different things like that I. Think they can be something that you guys can definitely use. The prolonged careers, and obviously like I said the transition out of the game and feel better have a resume. Very safe for them to maintain. You know pretty much for the rest of your life. You know what I'm saying to be able to live comfortably and you know you know when you think about alternative their for God because you need something right i. always tell people I you. KNOW WE BILL BODY TRAIN OUR BODIES UP. You know to operate a compete for our that a lot of times when we come Titian being by a thirty minute competition to competition if you slam. Everything like that. Your body on edge, and you're trying to figure out how to calm down out of time, but you end up doing you know trinket liquor all these other things where I feel like you know in the third is already realize that cannabis into play and they can. They take, they can take a cat or. Maybe they need a smoker. Know what I'm saying? Allow them to just relax and you know. Allow their body to recover. You know and you know for the the all be the next day so i. think that you know professional sports need i. think that you know what people don't realize actually already using already in when you look at you know all. Like all sports on the ride. You know what I'm saying I don't want sport. Walk, you say is on the decline. production-wise the play. You know on his good or not any better than he's. Getting better and better and better and better, and I'm telling you for fact that candidates is a part of their lifestyle. As so right now. The NHL and the MLB will be have removed cannabis from their banned substance lists. The NFL has softened its stance to in a lot of ways. I've always thought and I still think that the NBA is maybe the most forward thinking of the big four American sports leagues, but it does seem like in this issue in cannabis specifically. They're a little behind. Why do you think that is? I think it just a stigma. I think that they were right about your section. you know at the end of the day like you know. NBA Athletes Probably on the most recognizable. Out of all sports. Understand where they're coming from right because I. had kids right and you know they look know a lot of guys. Role Model. Then you know what I'm sure I don't WanNa, see I. Don't want my kids to see them in a commercial smoking weed, or whatever like I, get it right, but you I think the cool way to do it like Lbj, saying. For Terry done. You know what I'm saying that the end of the day you know they don't cut some alcohol you. You don't touch them for use like you know what I'm saying. They don't test for. Like, it's the same thing. Just get off the banned list I think. Also think that you know we just have to understand and give. The Guy would would've been more than what they give them. Just knowing that they are professionals. Right and I don't see anybody trying to you know. Get stoned before a game against. Kevin Durant. And it just doesn't add up. Trade athletes we already struggle when we're sober. Garden each other. Side to get high. And then try to guard you know what I'm saying so I think guys have way more respect for the today gang than you know in. The craft that they would take a very serious I. Don't think that they would abuse it when you think are are going to be good again. They airing wellness. Having the locker room. When get my talkable when they get my by? My To in the locker room. I think that's when you know. Everything will turn. You know pushing the day. By some stuff for the guys take great. Recover quicker. and go out there and play the game that they love super high level. Will you send him some? Okay all right I have a good night stay safe and Yeah, good luck with everything. Thanks? An it career at Gd, it means owning the opportunity to play a crucial role in transforming how agencies operate. 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Mike Physician in Ontario Canada and he's emerged as one of the leading medical voices in the cannabis face. Here's conversation. Hey well. Hey, Dr Eric. How're you? Doing I am good. Yeah, I guess the question that we really want to ask you about. Cannabis is how medicinally it can help athletes on a professional level, and also just an amateur level, just people that like to jog and work out and just live and active lifestyle you know what are some of the benefits of using candidates? And how can people do it safely? Sure, so it's a great question. You know a lot of people who work out all the time especially as you get older You know you're going to get some eighteen and sometimes I can prevent people from going out and exercise, and they don't WANNA exercise because they're afraid that either during the size after you know, they're gonNA have to deal with. A ton of pain, and one thing that a lot of people find to be affected for pain control. You'd be oil, and so you know I had a lot of patience. That'll tell told me that you know just by. You can see if allowed them to go back to Jim and even it's not necessarily going back to Jim like. Walk Their dog longer you. Let's say you have to be a professional athlete. But, that's running on professional athletes. I is a lot of athletes who know having advocating for. See The oil and you know a lot of athletes. Professional Athletes Amateur athletes everyday people is sleet and sleep is so important for your recovering sports. You know we know that if you don't sleep without. Going to drop the next day or just not GonNa, have you know the energy the that you would have if you get a good night's sleep just from physiological standpoint. What does? Actually do to you know you talked about? Reducing, inflammation helping with chronic pain. How does that actually work? So once you get a reduction, you overall intonation and you're gonNA. Get a reduction in real painting. like a most conditions that lot of people used to be before our type of are a type of arthritis so anytime you have the word. In a word that needs inflammation because that's you know osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis easier, all inflammatory condition, and that's why we can AFFEC- at the, both because again it takes away some of the inflammation, and that's what you know. non steroidal anti choices, so drugs like Adele approximate all these different medicines. That's what they're doing. Well, the non they're they're reducing overall. Information wants to get a reduction the information reduction in the overall paint. THC You though however that does work differently, so we'll because she is like lack of does. Make you a little bit high. What a lot of patients tend to say to me is yeah. I can still feel the pain, but it doesn't really bother me, so it's like the team was like dissociate from them. Because if you have pain, your the pain action. Is You're? Actually a signal that telling your brain that you're in paying about what she? She is blocking blocking that signal. People can of still feel the pain, but the feeling of their brains because that's associated with that enact. Why not can be you know such a potent pain medicine I feel like there's so much just misinformation and conjecture about what CBS thc. Can do you mean you have people saying? It's like a panacea like it's a wonder drug. It's good to hear from you some specific examples about how it can actually help especially in this context. Yeah Yeah. I definitely think that this way too much of that in in the industry, unfortunately and what we need to do, you just need to treat cannabis like any other medicine, and hold it to the same standard in yellow medicine, and if we do that where we are going to tease out all. The benefits other and we also you know real. Find some side effects You know that being said you know it does seem to be you know a very good medicine in terms of the fact that it's it's very applications that can be. Affected for a variety of different conditions compared to you know some other. Pharmaceuticals it does have a lower safety side effect profile does have less side effects. But you know like you said it's not an and it's not going to cure everything and we absolutely no need to use it based upon the best evidence available, not just the bond. You'll antidoto evidence, or what, from said, on on the Internet so you know. I did my own experiment I. Definitely partake in cannabis recreationally. I've never really thought of it as A medicine I've never really needed to but I do run occasionally I go out running. And I did a little experiment on my own where I ate an edible before I ran This is very scientific by the way as you can tell, but I. I ate an edible before I went running. and I went remote with. Yeah. I guess fifteen milligrams because it was half thirty. And I had a better time running. You know I was listening to my music, I. was I was I was going hard? But I do feel and maybe this is a placebo effect, but I do feel like I felt less sore the next morning. And do you think that that is possible, or do you think that was just in my head? And you need to you know beyond a stricter regimen or or do something different than simply pop edible before you go work out. A lot of things definitely affect recovery, so we have to take that into play but you know like it may. Have helped you, but you know. A lot of people are reporting the same thing that your reporting as well so it's something that I think it's. It's worthwhile for you know when someone has an experience like you had you to to like. Repeat it again, and if your appeal again, and you got the same results anyway, I want you to fifteen milligrams out of you know before I run for the next day and we'll have more joy experience. It sounds better. You know I don't really seeing Herman. Continue doing that. Yeah, and as far as just consuming cannabis in general. Is there a safer way to do it? I mean I have to assume that. smoking it is not as. Healthy as taking edible, it's vaping somewhere in between your. Say Jeff candidates would be 'cause you knowing thoughts, no long damage when you do that and that would be the way that I would know them to start using cannabis in terms of You know with spy illness. So in terms of Actual marijuana smoke. Tobacco smoke. We know that marijuana smoke doesn't cause Devon 'cause Kantha like tobacco smoking have the cancer causing agents tobacco hat? But it can still damage your lungs. You can still get chronic pulmonary disease. So because of that I. Want to stay away from smoking as much as you can, but nor do WanNa make the point that it doesn't cause lung cancer. When it comes to the. I did see one study that showed that dating versus smoking the people they actually contract it less upper respiratory tract infections during cold season. So know we're not talking about the krona biased, which is actually a lower respiratory tract, infection reductions, calm, cold, upper respiratory tract infection. You'll people who seem to have have lasted that and then I just WanNa to make one comment on this. Just in case you know some people are wondering about you know the baby almost. On to scare the kind of stay the past few months, basically, what they identified will not is that everyone who's hot and dry mysterious thinking. We're using A. Vitamin. Day identified. He's got culprit of why these illnesses were occurring, so it's really cool to hear this from a medical perspective and appreciate everything. You're doing and thank you so much for making time to talk to us. Or thank you so much for having me on. Each. One thousand, nine, hundred four Michael Jordan's the most famous person in the World He's reached the pinnacle of his career as one of the best basketball players to ever play the game. And what does he do? He leaves the sport altogether to try his hand baseball. Then something funny happened Jordan Young Baseball. Career gets cut short when Major League. Baseball goes on one of the longest strikes in its history. and Michael Jordan goes back to basketball. The story could stop here, but as we all know, it doesn't. Jordan goes on to win and other three championships in kickstarts what economists call the Jordan effect generating billions in revenue and re-energizing a struggling NBA. I'm Sean Braswell and I want you to check out the new show presented by ozzy flashback and find out how some of the best laid plans can go horribly wrong or war proved unexpectedly magnificent. Listen to flashback on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Eugene was a first round draft pick played seven seasons at offensive tackle NFL after he retired more became one of the first professional athletes to speak out on the benefits cannabis, he helped spearhead research discussion around how athletes can use cannabis safely in place of drugs like opioids, another painkillers. Here's our conversation. Hey Gene! This is welcome thrill list. What's up? Hey? How're you doing today? I'm thirty good. Yeah, I know that you really one of the first NFL players and also one of the first professional athletes in general to start the conversation about cannabis and bring up and say you know. Maybe this is something that we should rethink as something that's medicinal. That can be beneficial Arjun came from the perspective of you know. Being on a continual, really chase for information or I wasn't a big time on a user when I did understand that people using it and using numbers for a lot of issues that professional athletes deal with whether it's page dress. Keyed Information the the to You know reason why Athletes News Pharmaceutical Drugs including sleeping medication So I saw an opportunity to for the professional sports particularly about to. Become. Much more than being on their policies each year. He played the NFL. You compile new injuries and the older injury. Come chronic. So what you find is the players age in the League They're taking more medication and require a lot more care to deal with pain, and that's what. In cannabis really show promised Danny athletes that new and started to ask questions about athletes that were in the locker room, setting at least locally route candidacies, which you know, we always talk about the benefits of of the cannabis. They were concerned and and really you know was only conversations about how how they needed it how they could leave the civility after stressful. Day and you know feel better at night and have a better time with your family. And really help them recover and be ready to again the next day I still believe that is you know at the very least much safer than the opioid jobs that players are customer to receive from that doctors. Yeah I. Think you know it goes without saying that football especially at the professional level is a brutal sport. So how have you been able to implement cannabis into your own recovery program? I mean. Do you suffer from chronic pain? Were you using painkillers that you've substituted for cannabis in some form? and. You. Want take. The brunt of the punishment and damage every single pray your job is to crash into. Guys yet. And bigger than you and it's an all out fight for the entire day. Let alone all of repetition that pile up or practice. Rather it's withdraw work. or the plays that Iran So yes I. I mean I'm. I've been injured quite a bit I've had multiple surgeries on my shoulder and these and and the number of questions as well so so yes, I I do suffer from chronic pain and have dealt with it on a daily basis. Especially using In many different forms options for everyone you know. Versus the cocktail of celebrates or industry and You Know Hydro Code on that was the recipe. Near the, go? You know, we are much healthier options. So I know that recently. NFL owners have these. They've softened their stance on cannabis use. What is what is the state of? Cannabis the NFL right now were. things are positive We've had mastered move that in Outwear, skin, concerned baroness and you know not be as concern. I have been in years Rules are drastically different now. There's no suspensions surrounded for positive worry. So when you look back, just a couple years for example shocked Henderson wasn't prayer suffering from currency and had an off season surgery where a percentage of the. Intestines were removed as a result. You Know Sean. Trout Cannabis, which is one of the best treatment methods for. Removing intestinal inflammation and he was suspended for ten games for using candidates, although had A. Pilot with a wreck effect on his health condition. You guys exploring you. Guys are getting their medical cars We're having a family member. Get a medical card because they think the NFL might find out about it and have a problem still with the rule changes but you know it's becoming much more open. Environment and discussion in a taboo was I love your insight and I'm so glad that we were able to Get you into this episode. thanks for having me Arner thanks for covering this you know although rules have changed I think it's important that you know the focus isn't isn't. Isn't taken off because you know while the NFL has changed the rules, we do have egregious novels sports where you know. We know prayers Aweso. Explore Marijuana and those players are subjecting ching the same physical and mental perils as NFL players, and I've got ferns who are played college football with did not go onto the NFL level, but are still dealing with a lot of the same symptoms. Because you know, a the same traveling for everybody is well. Yeah definitely well. You know hopefully that will change soon. Remand. Thanks for having me again and. Just reach out anytime I love. Austin Jane thanks so much in it. Take easy to help you and your family. Stay safe. Are Preaching there and take care. Land is a professional cyclist who use cannabis manage chronic pain and his depression after some pretty tough years. He's opened up. A new company called Floyd's of Leadville, and he's become a major advocate for cannabis use in athletics. Here's our conversation. Floyd this is welcome thrill list. Are you? So for you were one of the world's top cyclists in the two thousands, and I feel like a lot of people out there recognize your name rank from Your Tour de France win. That was subsequently stripped and your evolvement in the PD scandal followed. You've been pretty open about the years afterwards dealing with that fallout dealing with a pretty severe injury, also in your early thirty S. Yeah, well along. This is a long journey getting getting out of well I should survey him. You know most. Or many athletes at least when they retire struggle little just trying to find some kind of. Replacement turned whatever you know. How do get from? You Know Bilo. Competition and training and things like that and. Focus on. The case was compounded by the fact that you know like trays cut short early and. all ready to give it up and. Then I had to deal with. And, everything else okay. What the doping story so? For me, it was. Particularly difficult for a few years So I. Did you know whatever? I felt like I can do to try to stay sane. Replace that and actually drinking a lot alcohol. Things that aren't necessarily good for you in the long run. I was. Four or five years ago when legalize it in Colorado. Before that you know, I kind of. A little bit and. Going to help me with the things. In Pain Management and Is it does have real medicinal. Real real value for quality of life for people are trying to. Manage pain or anxiety and I was dealing with both of those and so. For me. Now wish I discovered sooner, but. I'm glad I. Did this for shirts? Definitely and you know when you when you talk about using cannabis to help with. Both you know your depression and some physiological your injury problems. What actually did help with? What did you notice? That CBD in cannabis was helping you with as opposed to traditional painkillers or therapy or anything like that? So! I was prescribed to narcotics. Viking in norcal on or things like that over the years when I had. Injuries and particularly after I had my hip replaced and those those work really well initially league. and. It put the problem is if you're going through anything else in life? That? Causing stress, you realize pretty quickly if they also help her that. Temporarily Right. And on a more just everyday management level. TVD and and And even small amounts of tweets here very good placements for over the counter painkillers that. Aren't aren't natural and. and. It doesn't have the same effect on everybody. Our one out of twenty people maybe come back to experience any benefits from it, but. Most people get some benefit whether it's painful from inflammation has been that or or just anxiety and helps combine and helps them sleep, really not not because it makes you tired because. Trying to help you sort of you know congress thoughts and fall asleep naturally. so yeah I I. Don't you know I don't use any? Pharmaceutical products or over the counter painkillers any more. Much happier for. Totally so. As someone who has performed at one of the highest levels possible for professional athlete. Would you personally recommend? The use of CBD chronic pain for depression towards younger athletes might not want to get involved with us for whatever reason because of the stigma attached, or whatever pain feels worse, or it bothers you more when you're not. You know. Manic stating your more depressed state. and. So in that sense that they're all connected. That's the sense that it's kind of. Subtle thing it's not magic because there's all kinds of crazy clanking made about what CB doesn't where most of them are unsubstantiated, but. There's. Enough people to try something and most of them are are even skeptical to begin with, and then they come back, and they say look stuff does really. Do all this then you have enough information that it does help people on some level, but. I. Try not to oversell I'll try to say look. Just try to. There's a bunch of things that it does forgiving. People doesn't do all of these things for all people. But it's we're trying. It's not a huge cost an. Far As we know there's. A reasonable doses. There's no risk so. That that would be my. Guidance that I would, too. Much any athlete when? I know everybody dance with pain. Over the counter medication at some point, right, okay cool. Thanks document I'm glad that We got in touch with each other. We'll, we'll be around hopefully Crawford again. I. Hope so when all this is over, we'll go for a bike rider. Okay! Bye. Okay I'm about to go up for another run, but before I do thanks for listening everyone I also WanNa think people that helped make this episode happen. Producer me a fast. Jim D'Amico make curse Fret Kushner. Emily Feld may get shot to couture from IHEART radio and the excellent Dan Danbury who in mixes episode fee all next week? Please stay safe. Here's something. 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Night of the Living Dead (1968)

Horror Vein

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Night of the Living Dead (1968)

"The fear Film Studios PODCAST network. All Right Ladies and gentlemen welcome. To another. Horror Vein. And Robert Mazzetti. And This is a special episode this week. Danbury excited about it. WE'RE GONNA be talking about. The! Living did. But before we get into that. WE'RE GONNA go over a little bit of the news that was happening this week. I know you're little excited to hear. That the quiet place. Writers are doing. Another movie. Produced by Sam Raimi. That's. The. Yeah? That's pretty much it. It's They don't have a title on it they don't know what it's about, but they just at Sony. Picked it up and thinking to be making this movie so pretty interesting. they don't have a director yet. They just have the writers. You so they're they're. They got the same writers from a quiet place that are doing this. sci-fi movie that supposedly has this This really cool ending, but that's all the information that they had in Sam Arabia's producing it. And I had found found that because of the There's this new. Website that basically you can watch movies on your phone I'm trying to find the information right now. But they, they're doing that that TV show called fifty states a fright I. Don't know if you saw that trailer. It's on the horror vein, facebook, page and twitter account. And I wasn't. I had heard a lot about it. But then I saw the trailer and I'm like really excited to see this It looks really good. and. What's really? Interesting or kind of weird? Is that this new. You know Kinda like a new netflix's, but it's not like your typical Netflix's. It's actually designed to watch movies on your phone. And that's. I thought was kind of. Weird, But I you know I know a lot of people that watch movies under phone and I'm like I'm not a big fan of it. Because I'm a filmmaker and I want people to see a big screen and you know, get the full effect, but. I know people are busy, and sometimes they're at an airport and they want to watch a movie and you know makes sense. It makes real sense and. but You know, but then I to have an actual platform designed just specifically to watch movies on your own was I just thought was. I don't know if that was innovative, but I was. It was weird, but that's just me. Yet and that's the only on this platform and I can't remember. Yeah. So. That was a big news this week. so it's called Quimby Q. U. I. B, I. but this was the big thing because Sam. Raimi's producing this. And so in the and those writers have a couple things in that from a quiet place. And the trailer they show you know bits of all these different segments. And I was like. Wow, this looks good looks really good. It. The only way it differs from Netflix's is that you can't get the APP on your TV. You can only get it on your phone or your IPAD. That's it. Yeah. But it's like four ninety nine a month, and you can watch all these different shows. TV shows on there and stuff like that and. I know that I was like this interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess came out in April. April sixth and. Fifty stage fright. So check it. Out Folks. Yes. If everything goes right. Everything goes right if our leaders get everything straightened out who who knows if that will ever happen, but you know. But. You know there's a lot of movies now. They're saying that they were supposed to come out in the theaters. And now they're releasing on video on demand. the biggest surprise, and this isn't no horror film, but. Rises skywalker came on Disney plus. I was like holy cow. And they released the final episode of clone wars and I was totally blown away on that and. It was a great fourth. I was. Totally blown away. But that's enough about that. Moving on here. and then I just wanted to go over movies that came out today and blu-ray since since it is Tuesday, but by the time people listen to this, it'll probably be Friday. I've haven't seen any of these movies, but Gretel in Hansel Netcom. I. Don't because there was another movie called Hansel and Gretel, about the to. It was an action movie. With the guy that Freidan, guys name, but it was. It released like years ago. But it was an action movie. This movie is more of a horror based more on the you know. The the stories the fairy tales. So. Yeah. People said you know it's. In it looks really great. It's wasn't. Like the best horror film, but had some had some cool stuff going on in it. and then the lodge which I didn't know anything about That just came out. And then they did a steel book. Edition of Tigers. Are Not Afraid. I guess it's a foreign. Films Dark Fairytale. never saw any of those movies so just to let people know. That's what came in on Blu Ray. Helen Hunt. Wow Yeah. Gotcha. Maybe I'll try to check it out, too. Couldn't. said. Yeah. Never Really Seen Helen Hunt in the movie in a while, I think I think the last movie. The last movie I seen her in was twister I mean. Yeah! So I'm I'm assuming you know. She doesn't probably doesn't look as cute as you used to, but you know. It depends on I guess it depends on the women some. Women Age well and then there's other women that really don't. They turned into men. Like somebody's the you know these women. You know that you see these older movies. They're so hot and then you see him today and you're like what? Happened did they get hit by a truck or They take male hormones because they look guy I'm sorry. Wow Oh, my goodness gracious. Well. Thank you for that time. We appreciate that. You're so informative nounce. Kagan go. You sounded a bit. You know skin. I gotcha all right. All right sizzle just come to. So this week. since there is that too much in. Horror, going on this week, we are going to talk about in length about the film. Deutsche. This and this just so happens to be fishers favorite. Horror Film. Of all time done or is this like Perfect. So so just to give people a little background, just in case I mean I can't see anybody not knowing about this, but. You know just in case. Nine living dead, this was made in nineteen, sixty eight. independent horror film directed by George A Romero. Co written by John Russo. And Head a budget of only one hundred and fourteen thousand dollars. Can you believe there and that film gross twelve million domestically? And eighteen million internationally. Earn more. In Two hundred fifty times its budget It gained critical acclaim was selected in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety nine. By the Library Congress for Preservation in the film Registry National Film Registry. As a film deemed culturally historically and aesthetically significant. Wow? Led to five. Films between seventy. Eight and seventy nine also directed by Romero. As barreled, several remakes most known the nineteen ninety. Remake that Thompson meaning did. So Wow. This is you know what what and I'll let you talk a little bit, but I you sent me this link about this behind the scenes of them, Interviewing Jorge, Romero and You know a lot of people that made nine eleven dead and I find that really interesting how they just started. To come, you know. They said they wanted to make a movie. They've been doing a lot of commercials in Pittsburgh. And they did decided go. Hey, let's make a movie and originally were going to do a comedy. It was when they originally wrote the script. It was called like Oh is called, was originally called the monster flick. And they're going to turn it into a horror comedy. And then in an interview it was interesting, said they were thrown away, throwing around ideas, and this is the one idea that everyone liked was a horror film. and then they got ten people together to give six hundred dollars each, so they originally had six thousand dollars. And then they found out that that wasn't enough. They got some more people, and they got another six thousand, and they said that wasn't enough. And then eventually they raised one hundred, fourteen thousand. which they say is the equivalent of approximately eight hundred fifty thousand. In today's dollars, so that's that's a pretty big budget for an independent film. but it's still small. So. That's delete in and I'll let you. Talk a little bit about it. Oh so you didn't know about it, okay? DVD's through rings. Nineteen. Testing. Experience. Yeah? Right. Well before we get into more of the making of it Tell, tell me when you first saw the film. Well. When when did you first see the film? Do you remember? I I remember I was very apprehensive to see the film. I know it was around everywhere. when I was in college, my teacher. Had I was taking a film and history. and. My teacher was a huge horror fan. So, he would shows a lot of horror films in the class and the one horror film he showed was dawn of the dead. And I was familiar with Jorge Romero, but I really wasn't. And it never seen the debt, of course that was because the hype around the Gore in these films. never really interested me and I was like I. Don't Want Gore movie. And I didn't really think there was anything to it until I saw dawn. And I went. Yet gory, but there's more to it. Than just you know zombies going around. There's there's more to these to film. I really liked it. There's a lot of. Insight to what's going on in the world and everything else? and then. So that led me to go. Hey, I WANNA see neither living dead, and that's what I saw and I was like. Wow, this is just as good. As Dawn, you know. I saw dawn I jess. uh-huh! Cases! Oh so okay, so it's not. Did you, did you? Did you have any apprehensive? I mean obscene the film. Would you interested in seeing it? I mean it was. Oh okay, so that was. That's so surprising when you saw it. Your Just. Yeah. Yeah! Yeah. And that's and that was one of the things that got me. It was like okay. How many times have you seen this before you know? Someone's getting chased by either a killer Zombie but what's surprising about the film is like okay. The she gets to the house and you're like okay. She stuck there, and then you find out that there's people downstairs. And and it really answers new dimension to the whole films because these people downstairs, and this is where the film gets really interesting. and. I mean. Yeah. I mean there's the characters are so right are so thought out. it really takes a simple story and really makes it interesting. And it's and it's not about, and then you have the Zambia's on top of it and and then you find out that the film's not really about. The monsters outside of his Arby's I mean they have something to do with it. But you find out that the real monsters are inside our. And and it's a typical situation that anyone could find themselves in in a life and debts situation. and. That's what's interesting about I. Think all of George. Romero's films is that he kinda. Tackles that in different ways. I don't think other filmmakers ever. Attempted that it was always about okay, there's a monster. And Station you and that's it either get killed or you survive and there was nothing more to it. and that's why I think it was so in a film that was really inspiring to. filmmakers and into the audiences, and that's why they love it so much because of that. Yeah. Yeah it's just full of ironies and. The one. The one thing that really gets me in the film is They're trying to fill up the gas tank in the car which they keep that which is. Just you know simple things that make it just genius to create. In the in the in the story. So they. They're trying to find the the the. Gas Tank out back. Oh great, but it's locked Oh, we don't have the key we don't have you know. We can't find the key the looking for the GIG find it. They get there and then you know being an idiot. Oh, shoot the thing. He blows everybody up. And and it's not until later in the film that the main character finds the key starts you know. Yeah Yeah! Yeah. Because, you have to remember. Yeah, but you have to remember the sixties that I mean they showed a naked body and then they're showing what they say is cannibalism. with them, eating and drills and stuff like that but. You know a lot of audiences hadn't seen that. It was like I mean look get psycho. They had never shown a toilet and that was a big thing in a film. Right. Risk. Yep Six. Yeah I. Could. In. The. Yeah Yeah. which were talking about last last week about movie scores and That has a lot to do with it I. Mean really sets the tone of the film. I mean I think even with a a mediocre Sonatrach. The film would still be fantastic, but. yeah, that and that's kind of a running three themed through all of Georgia's films. He's these weird soundtracks. That really Kinda. Make you feel off kilter the film already. I mean I had the pleasure of meeting. Bill Hinson He. Would've really nice. Really, nice man. They're all wonderful. Yeah, and you could see that in the pitchers and behind the scenes stuff and BUT YEAH BILL He was I mean I'd seen him a lot and. became a staple at at a horror convention down here in because He would be there all the time. He would just talk to everybody he wouldn't. You know take pictures and. Yeah. Yeah. He would always be dressed up. Yeah, always always Kinda, as a cheerleader for George, and even when George, finally did show up at the convention and Yeah I was was really cool. And and George to I mean. He look, and it's a shame their. You know their past, but. Let me, tell you something here. Here's a guy that is. Everyone knows his name yet. This guy still had problems in his tire career to raise money to make more movies. took him ten years to make it to raise money to get dawn made after the success, he had with nine eleven that. You know the guy did not. You know when he passed away. He wasn't a rich man. You know and I I know a lot of filmmakers like that. You know they're. They've had success, but you know they're not rich. You know they're not. Swimming and It's a shame really is a shame. So keep going down. What what else did you want to talk about this? I mean I. Mean This is just. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But you know it really. The ending really makes sense because it goes along with everything in the film, because the whole films like that, there is no bright side to this film. It's all it's all down. It's all them trying to overcome. They try to overcome and then when they overcome. It's still not enough, and then he tried to do this and it's like. You could relate to this film in any situation. Even relate to the film to what's happening now. It's one thing happening after another, and it's it's this. This monsters coming at Ya and you're going. Okay, I think the best way to handle. It is the do this. And then when you do it, you find out that that doesn't work. In, they're trying to get to another location and it's like. Is that really the solution? They don't know, but that's what they're told. Yeah Yeah. But you know it it it. You don't really even need it, and it's you know it's good that they have that back story in there. But that's not really the that main issue of the film. There really is no. and. This is with all the movies. There really is no bright, happy ending. and. That's what makes the film's intriguing as that no matter what you can do, it's like you might have a high point and you may have done this and he'd done that. But is it? Are you really ever safe? and that's why the genre has lasted for so long and I think you know the TV show Walking dead while Brain Fart I, mean they they kinda. Go into the fact that you know this is what it could lead to. But. Were life gets back to normal to where it was before. But it Wa- it, but the whole main thing. Is that all these movies? There is no happy ending. Yeah. please. I. Accident. In. Right, and and the and the struggle for the basement, and then he ends up in the basement, and and it saves them. Until they come until he comes up. which is all this irony in everything that happens in the film? it makes sense. He's like arguing about off. We stay up here. We got room to move and we can get stuck down narrators to go. But he ends up Donner. No. Given. Because, he donated ample. It. Is Yeah. Yeah Yeah. Easy. He's. Taken His. Anyway. Well Yeah, and I don't think they were looking at it that way. and in the in the thing is that I know that the script They weren't crazy with the dialogue. And they were pretty much at living the dialogue throughout the entire film because they didn't like the way it was, it was Written yeah, so they would just put themselves in the situation and. and. I me being a director. I kinda like that, because then you're getting an one. You're getting anonymous performance in to. When an actor's thinking as in character, they'll come up with something different that you probably couldn't even come up with while you were writing it. Right and Exactly yeah. But the put the you get the the feeding off each other effect and that worked so well in a film. especially, if you have talented people, and obviously, they had the talented people. and. Yeah. Right. Right. This. Family pays. Imposing. TV. AP Three. Against Him. Himself! And they had the movements for the for the zombies down and. I can't tell you how many movies I've seen. Were they had zombies and they just can't get. Movement does and it takes me the film. For whatever reason? You know whatever George direct the actors and make them do what they did. really worked. And and that's it. Right, and and there was no, there wasn't like I. Think this is what probably helped with the doors in any films that go let me watch another. Zombie Movie Yeah! Right. Know I I. Really I can't imagine the film and color. I really can't. I think it was a great I think a great choice for him to shoot it in black and white. It adds to it and really. Yeah because they use use corn, syrup or not used POSCO's chocolate syrup is what USED POSCO's trumpet. Yeah! Same. It's the same. It's the same type of of film. In in the way it was made, it was lobe low budget. And look at the class. Look at the classic film that came out of it. You know that's another movie that made a lot of money They didn't have a lot of money to make it, but it made a lot of money and it started everyone's career. And, and it really went against an IT's set the tone for all slasher. Movies were nine a living dead's let set the tone for all Zombie movies and everyone and look what happens. Everyone Jumps on the bandwagon. Any see all these other movies come out just like it. There isn't anybody that went. Let me try to front. Let me try to do something different, and that's what John Carpenter did. And Look at how look at the success he did. Look at what George did. No. But those are different. And and that's the thing. They're different movies. They're not. They're not trying to be a continuation of night. A living dead. It's a completely different movie, a completely different situation. That's why they work. You know, there is not a sequel. Yeah. Really. Yeah! Thank. Designers. Stephen. These different things. Between the character. In and that's an interesting observation. Where if you look at people that are into horror films? They look at the movie differently than it's. Let's say something. That's not a horror fan. Because, they're going into the movie already scared because they're not horror fan because they don't know what to expect, and they're gonNA concentrate on the most terrifying things and that really look as at the film as a whole. Because of the preconceived notions that they have about watching horror film. where? A horror fan going into see living dead is going well, you know. I've seen zombies before, and then all of a sudden. Get this interesting story in her like Oh. This is cool. Son Just about design. These you know I like it because of the zombies but. Yeah! Gets. And you're all in your excited about it. Yeah! Yeah here's the play Pong. Oh, absolutely. Well, it's like. Yeah. No. No it's it's like I tried to tell people like classic monsters or like Nas for auto. You look look at for at the silent film black and. It's white, but they colored certain scenes, but. You know there's no sounded people owners. There's no sound I got to read subtitles, and but what is this? You know you look at their Classic Monster Movies like Frankenstein Dracula. Dracula's very. It's very even that kind of a silent film. There's a lot of space where there's nothing going on us here. Sound soundtracks. And, and then, of course they're black and white, and so all the preconceived notions of Oh I've seen you know the remakes of all these movies in color or nets. That's this is an old film I don't WanNa Watch it. Yeah it's like come on. You gotTA open up your mind you gotTA. Look at the film for what it is, and you may actually like it if you open up your mind a little bit. Oh the. Yeah Yeah, the bats looked fake, but yeah. They're not. They're in a castle and. Yeah. I keep saying this. As a kid. Right. Yeah absolutely there were for me to. Practical. was. An. I. Think I didn't back and try to improve the film. They just left it alone. Oh. No I haven't seen it. Oh really. Was it originally filmed, or they filmed it after. Okay that's the. Why does why would even do that? And then and then the fact that They go and get a distributor. And the films originally called was at night of the flesh eaters. was originally called at and then change the name tonight a living dead now they, when they originally had the film nine, Living Knight of the flesh eaters, then a car copyright notice underneath it. So the distributor chew when he changed the name? Just, put nine living dead on it and didn't put the copyright on it, and that's were came into public domain. And it was a mistake by the distributor. Hobo did they ever? But. I think. Because it was readily available that more people got to see. The film could appreciate it more and I. think that really. Inadvertently helped George. In his career. So. Kind of an IRA and ironic thing. About an ironic movie. Yeah, I just feel really lucky to meet. Georgia felt room looking to meet Hinson. I didn't get a chance to really meet anyone else from that film, but you know. It's What's cool? I don't I mean. I mean. It's it's it it it. The thing about the film is that. You. It's one of those films and it's hard to explain unless you see it. But you can tell it's a low budget film. But it's so intelligent. That you look right past it. He. You look at the film's obviously has some flaws in it. But. The the the the story in the way, it's written in a way. It's acted and all the situation illegal right past it. It's it's really it really is amazing. Key. Susan! Cute. Yeah Yeah. Humanity! It. Succeed. because. You you see this coming any on spur. The beer is chasing old Stephen. Again take initiatives. Very Interesting Because I mean when they when the when bill Hinson comes in, as is the first Zombie that you see. He ends up killing her. Her brother. And they do this. You know typical horror thing with the lightning on his face. Yeah. And obviously it's not raining, or it's about the rain, or whatever it just as cliche thing and It's like okay. You're like oh well. That's not real, but it. The movie grabs you again. And your your following her any forget about it and it's. That's those little things where you go. What the Hell's that? But then the movie just takes you go here. Look at this, and then you forget about it. I'm just talking like little cheesy stuff where you go. You Go, that's cheesy. But Then you're you're you're wisp back into the film. And then you got to look at the fact that you know here, you you you. You make this movie in probably didn't really have a lot of I mean they thought about it and didn't think it was going to. Do Anything. But. Then you make this classic, and then there's that that pressure of okay. You made this classic there when talking about successful. And then you're GonNa make another movie. So now it's like. And I know I. Know How that feels. So, and then you look at dawn in a lot of people say don is really good, and some people like it better than that are living dead and. You know it's a matter of opinion. But you know he. How how do you deal with that pressure? Same thing with carpenter carpenter makes classic. The guy still talented and still makes these. Other classroom was he come in the fog right after it. Another great movie. You know. So when somebody's got talent, they have talent. And then it just continues to coal. You know it's just it's amazing really. I think it I. Mean believe me I've seen. I've seen night a lot. I've seen dawn of the dead a lot I've seen day that that a lot. And I like all three of them I'd say. Night is my favorite. But Donna. The debt is really a fantastic movie as well in the mall. There's some there's. That's the movie where they're underground. Which I heard that they're supposed to be turning that into either a television series or another movie. I read about that. Why? Why don't know but? And then you look at land landed the de I. I I went to I went to the premiere on that. again he. You know the pressure of trying to make another great. Zombie movie. obviously not his best work, but it's still a really good movie. I like it a lot. I own fell. So. I think I think you would have a really good even more appreciate a the the other films as well. Isn't you this film because it's. It deals with a lot of the same issues. Like dawn of the dead, there's a lot more going on in that film and you have to watch it several times a really. I. Think appreciate it to same thing with night. It's like you know the first sitting. You'RE NOT GONNA. Get it, but. The more sittings that you go through you go home. You pick out things you. Oh, wow, look at that, and this really works and Blah Blah Blah. I mean even the you know the remake of it at Thompson any did. It's different. It's the same it's different. and there are certain aspects of that film that I liked better than the original, but it still doesn't come close to original. but it's kind of refreshing to see little. You know improvements in little things that they added to it whether it works or not is up to you, but. it's still as a whole works really well. I like it so. Yeah. No, I get it I get it. Absolutely and I trying to take that away from you. Yeah! Yeah. Yeah. I think because. I think it's because the the premises so simple, but they make it. Like they said it's, they wanted to kind of documentary style in it. And like and it just everything makes sense. You. Know when you put. People that different situation. It really makes it interesting. And then the then the ad, the zombies in there and everything else and it just. Yeah and they're different statues. Well you got you got the different you got. Yeah, you have the different like the guy in the basement has a lot of money. You know The. The lead actors just just an average Joe, and then you got the the people in the farmhouse which is they don't have as much money as everyone else. But then they're. Opening up their house to all these people. You know and one guy has taken over, and then he's like well. This is my house, you know. Who Do you to say that your basement? It's not. You know. That's what I liked about that, too. Is it all of a sudden steps I'm. What are you talking about? That's not your basement is my house well, it's not your house. It's your uncle's house. WHO's dead, but? Right yeah? So. Things. But. But. But there. But you know every in would really cool is that everyone thinks they're right in there all wrong? That's really what the film's about. They're in an impossible situation that they don't know that they're in. They think they can get out of then they can't. which is the irony of the film? Is that when when help those arrive? Everyone's dead in the one sole survivor gets killed because they think of his he. Totally, believe that yes. But then you can look at it as a racial thing, too. So you could debate that. Was it was it was the south, but? I don't know it. That's what makes the film so interesting. You could sit there and debate that film. For For days. Yeah Right. He's. To there. Yeah Yeah, and it has to be right. Right This. Yeah Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. took. Yes. It's just. You see some. Might. Consider. It just goes back to the fact that money doesn't take care of making a good movie. It's. And I tell I tell people this all the time and a tell filmmakers. I say they go on I'm trying to raise a budget to make a movie. Did you work on your screenplay? Well, you know we did a couple? Make sure your screenplay is top notch because that's what's going to matter. About, how much money you have kind of camera equipment! You have if you're script sucks. Your forty million dollar movies going to suck. Your ten dollar movies GonNa Suck. This is total proof of it. I mean you know? Obviously George knows how to make a film. But it really comes down to the fact that if you don't have a good screenplay, if movies not GonNa work at all period. It just like everything is relatable in the film. You can relate to the guy that you hate in the basement. You can relate to the you know the average Joe that's running everything to relate to. The girls can relate to everyone in that film. You could relate to it, yeah. And then and then the dynamic right. And then the dynamic of someone has to be in charge. Like I'm the boss period boss? There you know, but we're in a life and death situation. We need to have all our options, but of course he doesn't see it that way because he has to be right. So now you're putting everyone in danger because you're an asshole and. So it. Works so. It's. That's basic. Basic screenwriting. It's that conflict the conflict. It's it's. It's people trying to survive this. Event! In. His house in. This. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what they were trying to do. They're trying to make it a documentary, feel and they. They really accomplish the -CCOMPLISH. that. Yeah I was about to. Yes, a must see. Even if you're if you're not a horror fan, if you could, just, you can close your eyes during the gory parts are the zombies but. Right. No. This is not the wizard of us, okay? So night at a living dead. Don Fishers favorite movie of all time. and. Favorite horror film of all time. So if you haven't seen the film, see the film. If you have seen the film, see it again. If you don't own the film by. You have it. Can. CHECK THAT OUT Confined. Resentment. You're. COOL AWESOME! He can't tell it all down. It can't tell it all. Can't you can't tell so? No, no. No, it's God. It's awesome. GIDDY school. No Dawson. It's that good. So. So Ladies and gentlemen. hope you enjoyed the special edition of Horror Vein, as we talked about night, a living dead. And obviously can tell Don's enthusiasm. and. I am I am. About this film to I, it's it's really good, but If. You continue to want to listen to this program. We would appreciate if you come onto. the apple podcast page and you know. Give us a review Tell us what you think. really does help us out. and of course you can. Come and check us out on our website at horror vein dot com. And you can contact the stair if you have any questions or if you want us to. You Know Review will movie that is your favorite movie and we can sit there and talk about that. So again Don Fisher calling in from. CHICAGO ILLINOIS! 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Chris Lopresti's Monday Morning Update

Boomer & Gio

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Chris Lopresti's Monday Morning Update

"Great to have you with US twenty, seven on the fan and CBS sports network I. Am in for Great Gm Nadi I am in the Francesa Studio boomer boomer and Geo Studio, and in his living room, his name is Chris Lopresti. Not Wearing able to press D T shirt this time it says something about smalls on the movie and so he gives us. All the sounds sites weekend, what's up Chris Good Morning? Fellas so it was a bit of a letdown over the weekend no subway series of course. Thanks to the two positive corona virus tests for the mets the one player, the one staffer left behind in Miami along with others who were enclosed contacts with the bad news that four met games were postponed. We've heard wire. I was GONNA, say I not seen any names attached to that yet? No, and I I guess unless those individuals. That'll be the case I'm not gonNA speculate. Gary. D. Sarsina. Coach, and I will say the Squirrel. Squirrel really how by you Eddie, who do you think it is Can we still blame? Cessnas yes. It was. Somehow got involved in this I. Thank. God I'm sure Al knows the mets roster Al who do you think it is? I'm going to say was Pita Lonzo appeal no way. That guy's the polar bear. He's overcome anything I'll tell you boomer leads still test positive even be like strong about it. Yeah Moss. Karate. Info about what a great time they were having down there in Miami so I think I think he meant what they were doing on the field offensively but hey, you never, why do you suppose they didn't play yesterday i. Today why can't they? They've played today just an abundance of caution just to make sure I think both the mets and Yankees will resume on Tuesday. I think at this point that I that. Three. doubleheaders this week though and they might they're gonNA have a lot of baseball this week and we might get five games on the weekend. How about that? About that? How about that? So Yeah three-game set maybe for the mets at Citi Field beginning tomorrow unless they attack on the makeup game from Thursday as for the Yankees, they had to sit around all weekend with nothing to do and Aaron Boone Wa wasn't a big fan of it. I don't have anybody to do anything rather be playing right now and getting back out there. And do an off day or two off the losses. Welcome back boom right and you got a lot to say you gotta get it all out. Think of this thing is he's right. When do you think was the last time Aaron Boone had a summer Sunday off. Good question I'm looking ahead like a normal boone family barbecue all star weekend. If they weren't involved some everybody's got that every year I'm talking about a random weekend, your professional baseball player those don't exist. So I they wanted to play but take advantage of your time. Go play to next week. Can I can tell you that between margin July they did exist. They did different time though this is in season now where you don't expect it. So you get a little family barbecue together. Well can't really do that either Kenya. Why not? Have you seen what's going on in Danbury? Connecticut. I have not. So. You could. You can look that up why? Why CEELO's finishing up I just google it. This is where the boons live in Berry. No I don't they do not live there but I'm just saying there there's been a covert outbreak there. I'm pretty sure he lives in Connecticut or at least Westchester Remember he and Garrett Cole were getting together during the layoff catch on cold front lawn they were living up there. I'm pretty I'm almost positive Kohl's in Connecticut. Maybe boons in Westchester far from Connecticut. So I I hear here's comes up when I put in Danbury Connecticut Danbury. Connecticut names sewage plant after John Oliver. That's the first story. That's one of the stories. Yes. Should have been on our show sheet this morning the patch isn't this the newspaper that the story on you l.. Well, the patches. A bunch, a local news websites, they call themselves the patch so. Danbury resident hit the lottery right Here's what? Okay. Yes. Serious outbreaking corona virus and Danbury. I. Didn't see that was two days ago. So they stop literally baseball they stop. Is Because of travel baseball or travel sports, and because of you know family barbecues and get togethers that's I don't think there's been any protests there but So I picked that that's what they're blaming it on. Yeah I'm reading it now I see. Okay. boomer how does it feel to have jerry sitting in your lap this morning. He's throwing me a pass. Yes. Is that what it is? I'll kind of interest. From from my Better. Than, Phil that's all I care about. Oh well, that's that goes without saying. Without saying. All right. One more from Boone here. He's talking about the fringe benefits of not playing this weekend. We've been able to get good workout days in here combined within the middle of all this a little bit arrest obviously as we get ready to head into a stretch where we know we're going to have some doubleheaders and things like that. So I, guess they didn't have the family barbecue they were at the stadium working out and getting their work in getting ready to stay sharp for the Windsor and this has nothing to barbecues boom. This says this is from recent domestic and international travel. I've been hearing all sorts of things but I'm not sure if you go deeper into the article, you'll say. All right. Let's get ahead. One Yanks will head down to Atlanta for quick to game set with the first place braves and look for Aaron Judge to be activated from the ten day I L for tomorrow night's opener. It's our job already on the roster it's our job. Judge Gioja that's just. Yes That is defense he's having not his faults technical. Here, we go already talked to Tony Assam ready to go you know whenever you need me open to be in right field every single game. So just looking forward I to get into the game in Atlanta and then know back home against a mess and he's been itching to go since late last week he took live at bats against Jordan Montgomery over the weekend Garrett Cole Will Start Tomorrow's Game Masahiro Tanaka Wednesday other injury updates for the Yanks Labor tour is expected to miss two to three weeks left quad left hamstring strain double gives there but he says he's was feeling much better over the weekend almost normal but they'll take it slow with him Zach Britton Dj Lemay reported improvement with. Their injuries, James Paxton, the flexor strain in his pitching arm, he expects to be back throwing in Games in September lot of hoops to get to. Now, let's quickly hit the nets who were blown out by the raptor Sunday one fifty to one twenty two has Toronto completed the four-game sweep just not enough on Brooklyn's roster especially in the final two games without Joe Harris Toronto putting up one fifty yesterday mostly with their bench in any event. Here's Jacques von on their experience down there in Orlando. Thankful for each and every person in that locker room from whether they made a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich whether they get a uniform ready whether they made a free throw and widespread it pretty your. Record in this series who did what the raptor set a record in this series, they scored over five hundred points the only team in the NBA to sweep the series score over five hundred points in those four games. Rest starters along the way must be nice. They're in good shape I hate you, I hate you. Okay. Member too. So while the nets swept, Yeoman's work done by von in a tough spot and feels he showed what he can do as a head coach I hope every man and woman in that locker room. said that I was authentic with them. Honest with them. Hell guys accountable and his team definitely seemed to respond and carry problem. There's a problem Monroe Kevin durant careering Langham well, Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving weren't in that locker room they were not because they got paid to watch or. John Walker Who the next coach will be they I'm sure they will have a pretty good say into who the next head coach will be. You're probably right won't be checking with Rodica roots on who they want to have is the. Timothy Luau Cavero. He doesn't get a say I guess not. Here's Karen Vert. Maybe he gets to chime in on this and now he endorses Vaughn for the full-time Gig. He's very deserving with the job. Great doing. Winning with less on. Everybody saw that he brought the together. We fought each and every night. That's the audio quality from nineteen. Seventy four times. They did play well before the into this series with the raptors and there was some good basketball in the series but just their overmatched. into. They had their moments and then didn't go their way and Joe Harris. Had to leave that was pretty much the end of it as as we expected Luca, Danni on full display thus far against the clippers trying to get it to Luca they do but wait outside Jackson switches ought to get it away and timeout step back does Canada Mavericks. Get Dodge, it's thirty, four, hundred a win at the Horn and the series. At two games apiece Hukou cooperstown all. Heard this where it actually sounds like he's in a studio. From that series. That call right there like listening to Carino it sounds to me like they're they're they're not. That would actually sounds like he's in a studio I think Carino capshaw. I'm not mistaken were in the Arena Barclays I'm pretty sure I'm. Doing it and how I ended in the beginning I don't know if there 'cause he's done game for TNT right but some of these guys I think are legit in a studio or at their own. Yeah they might be. So it does have that sort of it sounds like they're in a closet a little bit. Yeah. They're bet a couple of them when. You guys sound right now how? Fantastic okay. I'm in a studio. Yeah. You got your headset on those still. Yet because for some reason, I can't use the microphone I don't understand. All right we move on. Game winner for Donncha. One thousand, five, one, thirty, three atop the clippers and as Chuck Cooper, Stein said there it's a two series forty three points seventeen rebounds thirteen assists all on a sprained ankle not too shabby emotions running high at the very end not only window. When I see the whole team might twenty. One of the best. Got The best of quiet Leonard in this one the clippers not helped by a shooting slump for Paul George Three of fourteen and one of seven from three in. Ten for his last seven in the series. Zingo right. Yes and he? He was questionable for game three and played after he got the ejection game to didn't play yesterday and was going to go for an MRI on his right, knee. So the. Again. Yes. Five status TB Jewish. Boy for the Yankees. That would be quite yes. I'm not sure the pinstripes with look so great on him you know. Honestly when you see some of these players like porzingus leave and he'll have his moments and he has had his moments, I can't believe the Knicks made the trade. People tend to forget how much of a pain in the ass brother was. You don't forget that I'll never forget that you don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. That's what I say how about Trey Burke and Tim Hardaway Junior given the Dallas good minutes there in that series well I mean we see X. Knicks all over the place Marcus Morris for the Lakers Clippers. I mean so I, I look what they're all over the place I they're going to have to somehow convince free agents to come here because this is not a group that is going to develop players, I Mitchell that your guy. Yes, morally right. How about Fred Vanfleet than lead? Yes. Big. Mike. Makara. wrote a big story about that I believe over the weekend in the post. Jerry. Davis Oh okay you're not getting. Jerry mentions Donovan Mitchell. He joined some elite company last night and hang in there with this one because it's pretty long lobster topped. The dot of millsap comes to close can get a little sweet revenge on the same play five and the clock Donovan through the legs rise fire three sweet revenge talk now Paul Millsap Talk. Now, what are you gotta say that's a three ground Paul Donovan, Mitchell you are something else forty six with the kid do talk to me says, Donovan, don't talk to me. The fired up David Locke on jazz radio taking it personally I guess fifty one points seven assists for Mitchell sending. Utah Past the Nuggets One, twenty, nine, one, twenty, the jazz now up three games to one and Mitchell joins Michael Jordan Allen. Iverson. The only players in league history to record a multiple fifty point efforts in the same seven game series. So something's going on I. Still I I think it's a shooting percentages got to be better. Well don't they always like when the college players go into the stadium environments for the final four and they say it's sufferers because the depth perception. So they're in a much smaller environ down there in Orlando Right. So maybe maybe because of that, they're having some more success, I haven't looked at the stats to back that up. But some of these marquee players obviously are putting up I know initially initially. Initially they were. They were shooting better and if I remember correctly was significantly better especially from three point range and from the free throw line. All right I mean, I. Don't disagree with you. I don't know the answer to that. Let's say so I'll put nuggets jazz here. The nuggets last night from three shot dot com seventeen, forty, four, thirty minutes event abysmal shooting performances as well. The Lakers game the blazers were horrendous from three. Depends the jazz shot. Forty eight percent from three. To me it just it just seems like the scores are high. And of course have been high though on the NBA for the last couple of years but. Like. This one fifty for the raptors yesterday. Well, you know look at the lineup the nets are running out there. Yeah. But still I mean you're still putting up one hundred and fifty points. They were twenty two of forty, seven from three just a tick Nettie seven percent shoot threes. I hope not they were nineteen, fifty, thirty, eight percent not horrendous from three. Good it's not terrible actually. Yeah. They just I don't know possessions attempt. Jamal. Murray had fifty came to. This nuggets jazz series has been pretty insane now back to Mitchell for a second here, he is on his big night. Is the first round guys you name it made it to the finals of Michael. Jordan's. Player of all time. So I got a lot of work to do to catch up to those guys. I'm honored to be in that category. In the first round, he's good Lori to have you know I he's not gonNA. Put Too much stock in it also you had. The Celtics finishing off their sweep of the sixers who were just you know basically left for dead one, ten, one, zero, six, the final there. As the sixers who got Tobias Harris got hurt in that game he did come back but they they pretty much had nothing left to give as Boston finished his. Simmons. Yes I'm saying, yes, exactly. It's far the coach Brown gone. The writings been on the wall for him for a couple of years. Now feels like about the writing on the wall for the owners and the general manager to put this Wacky team together. Elton brand. I mean, look at him they could've kept Jimmy Butler instead they went and got Al Horford right what what I'm GonNa. Do I mean Jimmy Butler finisher he's A. Pain in the neck, it's like he is, but but I also got a great commercial the right now that he team playing well, he's a grinder man that guy that guy comes to play every single night and it's like he's angry every night good as he should be chip on the shoulder right to work out you guys mentioned the issues for the NFL and this New Jersey lab hate to see you know. Negative reputation here for New Jersey but this lab in particular, not getting the job done. That's what ten eleven teams had. These false positives show up over the weekend. The jets were on that list ten of them as far as the false positives go force them to cancel. Saturday. Nights scheduled walk through. They did practice yesterday without issue. Here's Adam gays all part of what they're dealing with right now such an unknown. Everything so day to day right now and understanding that. Things can change very quickly and we gotta be able to adjust and I guess the players were maybe a little ticked off by all the jets had themselves a little bit of Brouhaha on the field yesterday I know Jordan Jenkins was involved with one of the offensive lineman. So things getting fired up as far as the performance of the quarterback goes Sam darnold did throw an interception at one point. Drills not to make a big deal out of that case you just led with it well, no. No. I'm not making a big deal out of it but. If, we could rewind the tape you just said from the highlights from yesterday Sam, darnold threw an interception, your thoughts I'm bringing it to your attention because gaze was asked about it after after the practice Santoro four, you didn't help themselves there all we did have a little league I wanted to bring leakage to your attention. Now before I play the second part of this I wanted skit your guys thoughts on what you think. He means by had a little bit of leakage there as far as quarterback throwing an interception in the training camp rack boomer played the position. Do you ever leak on the field? No. You start about offense of line leakage past -tection leakage Americans wanted to make sure we couldn't slide that one pasture here was the rest of the answer from case when I saw throw it I I kinda was one of those were. Really. Sure. Would've got this off to road game s and penetration their penetration. True that like they have to test all the reporters that cover the team and it seems like that. Keeps coming up positive I, give them away from the team I had not. Heard that? No No. Not sure. Okay. I thought maybe he would be one of those false negatives, false positives or whatever. I don't know that over and over and over again. Sorry acupuncture of. These are these tests are these the spit tester testers these the swab test swab tests really. I don't know why they just don't do the testing that the NHL and NBA or doing. It seems like that seems to be going to spent working out very nicely when I when Matt told me initially when they were here on Long Island and they were going through their pre practices before they played in their plan series against Florida it was a saliva test. Now up there in Toronto Saliva, test. Swab in the nose, but it's not the uncomfortable swab. So one the swirl it right in there. Right in there and they get. On their growth whatever I mean as long as we get a good response, I'm happy I. Think some guys probably come out with some green bugs and stuff you think yes. I would think. So yeah probably get some other colors coming out of there as well. I'd imagine I would just I would just knows lewke right into it. Into the put the. You know what does it test to right in your one nostril holder of the National League is The ultimate. It's not rocket. Just, do those things. Why did you say? Goes back in the day who may yeah you you got that Renault of your forehead. Onto other players probably. Would definitely do that right. When they re Young Union breathing on your the pile I used to do it here with Craig to. Why am I not, surprised? Islanders flyers tonight game one of their series seven o'clock start by the way the NBA allowed what families and friends to come in right wants to play started. That was never on the table for the NHL. I think it may be on the table for the conference finals and the Stanley Cup at this Daily Cup Finals for sure. Families Trends father-in-law's and right and I do believe. that. The Cossacks. Both conference finals and the Stanley Cup finals be Edmonton I was just GONNA ask how they decided which bubble they were gonNA. Do you know? What here's what I would say I would keep them where they are what why mess with a good thing everybody's testing negative everybody's where they are y why do you WanNa? Put Two teams on a plane and go play a conference final outon. Final with you obviously Stanley Cup final, they don't have a choice you team coming from each bubble. And and whatever but I would just leave everything just leave it alone. The way it is man everything is absolutely perfect. 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#112: Dan Gingiss  The Experience Maker, Customer Experience Speaker

Wild Business Growth Podcast

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#112: Dan Gingiss The Experience Maker, Customer Experience Speaker

"It's getting the right product into the hands of the right person at the right time. Hello Welcome back to the wild business growth podcast. This is your place to hear from a new entrepreneur innovator, every single Wednesday morning who's turning wild ideas into wild growth. I'm your host, Max, branstetter founder podcast producer, and Max podcasting, and this is episode one, hundred and twelve. This week's guest is Dan Gingas he is a customer experience keynote speaker and coach and. His book has been called at one of the best customer service books of all time. He knows a thing or two about how you can make your customers happy and he spent some time at some of the top brands in the world. He also hosts a super cool podcast called experience this let's hear what Dan the man has to say enjoy the show. Already, we are here with the chief experience officer, the King of customer, Experience Dan Gingas Digi. Dan. How you doing today? I am doing great. How're you doing? Max I am doing great. Had I tried to say that just like you? So, we're going to get into the thick of customer experience but before we get into that, I want to go a little bit into your background and there's so many speakers out there and obviously as the pandemic has gone on so many speakers looking to get more and more virtual and you've done seamless job at that. But before you even had more of an ultimate focus as a speaker. You've had some touch points some stops along the way at some of the biggest, some of the most well known brands and most impressive companies out there. I mean discover Humana McDonald's you had such a lineup of amazing experiences there. What's the biggest thing you took away from a customer experience standpoint and just a marketing standpoint overall. Well thank you and I do think you've hit on something that makes me mostly unique in. Speaker space. In that I spent most of my career in corporate America and you know to me, it gave me experience and I think that's so critical to being a good CX person it. What I mean by that is I've had rolls over my career in various different marketing channels, online and offline. I've had domestic and international roles, B. TO B. and B. Two C. roles roles in companies that are regulated like financial services healthcare. Rose and companies that are super find like fast food and every one of those experiences gave me a different viewpoint in a different kind of Arrow in my quiver for when I'm coaching or speaking to audiences working with companies to be able to lean back on a piece of my background and I think this might be applicable here and it kind of reminds me because I had the opportunity to lead four or five different social media teams and almost always there's a young person on the team that I've had sort of mentoring discussion with and I've asked him what they wanna do with their lives and what have you. And the conversation invariably leads to you need to get out of social media and you know usually that makes them very sad because they love social media and I remind them, there's no vp of social media at any company that I know. And not only that you gotTa have other experiences so you can get better at what it is that you love. So I've spent time in direct mail and email, and even like package inserts, you know those those little bucks slips that you get in a package that try to sell you something else. I've I've run that channel before the Sunday coupons and all nothing I get. Makes me a better marketer in digital channels and so I've really appreciated the opportunities that I had in cuts in corporate America to get a variety of of work experiences that I think collectively helped me do my current job now a lot better, and for me eventually became, you know my joke is I like working for the Dan, better than liked working for the man. and. Anything that rhymes signed. I just got to the point where I felt like. The problem with big corporate America was it was too big and I wanted to move faster I wanted to innovate more quickly. I. Didn't WanNa, play politics and so going off on my own has been. An amazing experience, a great new chapter, very different than what I was doing before and one of the things that I've learned is that regardless of the financial success or not. What I do know is I'm having a whole lot of fun and that that is a piece as I was growing up in corporate America that I never thought about a lot. I always thought about you know higher salary higher title bigger bonus all those things in an never on that list was enjoying what I'm doing. Or waking up every morning and being excited to go to work and what I have found is is you know look I had a twenty plus year career before I figured this out that stuff's just as important and so for me to be able to make money and do what I love is really put me in a good situation at least for now in and we'll see where it takes us. That's spot on I think. So, many people. It takes those years of different experiences for it to really click what matters to you most, and what is the best role for you. That gets you excited to get out of bed in the morning and not wake up every morning and be like Oh, my God it's it's starting started workday already. is totally different, and so it's it's a neat that you've learned that along the way you said that you've worked in so many different lines of marketing or promotions. When you look at the social media world, you like direct mail, you look at email the Sunday inserts. What would you say is the common thread that Should be a focus as you are marketing across any channel out there. What ties us together as. The key success factor. It's getting the right product into the hands of the right person at the right time. I'll give you an example of that my my first job out of college I worked for a collectibles company called the Danbury Mint. So they do high end collectibles, plates, dolls, Betty boop figurines We did a lot of sports collectibles did because they had dan in the name did you like working or not? Yeah, exactly. No, I. Did I love that job actually I worked there almost four years and true story I I guess they call this I don't love the term because suiciding I applied to to business school and I only applied to one. which is Kellogg which is back in my hometown Chicago and. I decided if Kellogg let me in a business school I was going in. If they didn't I was GONNA stay in continue to collectibles and Kellogg let me in. So that began that part of my career. But I really enjoyed I loved learning about marketing from the collectibles business because we sold hundreds maybe thousands of products and you could look at the list the products in look at most of them don't. I'm not interested in but then I might say what college did you go to and you tell me some big ten school and I su- about a replica of the football stadium and you're like Whoa yeah. I want one of those. So what I found was. Not all of our products were for everybody, but there was something for anyone and the best example of that was one day the Practice Altman team came to the marketing team. Miss. We got this brand new product were so excited about. They put on the table and not making this up. A Hand painted. Porcelain Red Barn. Complete with some haystacks and some miniature sheep out front. And I'm like what? The Hell is this a barn with you want me to go sell a barn you kidding they're like, yeah, this is going to be a great seller. Okay. So I go and do my research is a good market or would start finding out I start looking at mailing lists and I'm like hope calories a lot of firms in the United States when I look at farming magazines in the subscription lists and I'm like, maybe even heard of this magazine and has forty million subscribers. PS The long Jordan, it is not only did the red barn become one of the best selling products in the history of the company it turned into a series of twelve different barnes. Winter Barnes we had spring Barnes and fall barnes and barnes with cows and Barnes pigs in. This whole series became a crazy bestseller because there's a ton of farmers out there who apparently have a lot of space on their fireplace mantle to put these things. And it was a product that obviously was not something I was going to buy but that really sort of lit up my is in terms of marketing to say, wow, it doesn't necessarily matter what it is. I'm selling I just have to figure out and I and I do this for future products I would literally sit at my desk I'd stare at the product and I'd say who wants you and how do I get you into their hands right. So I'm you know it's a some figuring or whatever, and I Wants well, probably somebody who likes dance whatever it is, and then that would help me to find the segmentation that I needed to go put this in front of people and you said, what's the common thread I think that is true in every marketing channel and social especially facebook and Google have made it so much easier to do that because I was dealing with and log marketing not digital, and now we have the ability to pinpoint people down to almost a street address if we want to with all sorts of different demographics, psycho graphics characteristics, but it does continue to come down to. Write person right product right place, and one last thing I'll say about that and and this is actually got a spent to it is. It's also really important a matter what business you're in to figure out who isn't your customer because if you can get your salespeople to not waste time trying to sell the people who will never buy from you, and if you're not investing in digital media that's putting in front of eyeballs that are never going to buy from you, you can become a whole lot more efficient in your marketing but a lot of times companies make the mistake of thinking that their product is for everyone and unless you are a giant company like Disney or maybe even a McDonald's it's it's not likely that your product or services for. Absolutely and I should have known that this was going to happen but you have made me want to purchase a barn collectible. Congratulations on that. I could hook you up. So. Let's dive in more into the world of x or customer experience. So when you think back What is the clearest? Memory that you have of a brand that when you were a customer had phenomenal CX. Wow. That's interesting. What's it? What's interesting about that question? The reason why I'm hesitating is that I. Don't think even the terms or customer experience is much more than a decade or so old I'm not sure that's how we thought about things in the past and you know I host a podcast called experience this and might my dad listens to it every episode lessons to it one hundred and two episodes and he's heard them all and he was a business owner. In the seventies and eighties and you know he loves the show. But what he often tells me is I used to do some of those things not all of them. I wish I had done some more of them, but there wasn't a name behind them i. we never talked about customer experience wasn't even a concept at maybe customer service was a concept but not customer experience, and so that's why I'm hesitating on the answer to your question in terms of early memories of brands I'm not sure that I thought of them that way. So if you frame it a different way. What's very pleasant Interaction that you had with the brand that comes to mind before you even started speaking about this topic. If you look at probably of the most popular brands in the world right now. and. You ask yourself why does everybody talk about these brands? One is Amazon one is not flex. It is because. They understand experience. I was one of the first early early subscribers to Netflix back in the DVD days and one of the things I love about it. And they took us away which sort of air tatum me was that you could. All of the movies that you've ever seen. And then you could go and see like all the movies I've ever rated five stars. Here's the movie's GonNa, hate it and. Somebody would say, Hey, did you did you like this movie will hold on? Let me check in you go in there was my rating yeah. Thought it was a four out of five or whatever. and. It was just such an interesting way of thinking about movies, which I I just hadn't thought about him that way. Now, of course, folks so much more than movies and In it's all streaming DVD's have gone away. What have you but I think that was definitely an early one for me Amazon. The thing that I love about that company and I I'm a believer that Jeff bezos is genius. You might be an evil genius I don't know, but he's a genius. They never rest on their laurels. They continue to make things better and better at every time think that they can't deliver it faster. They introduced something that delivers it faster. You know it started at three days and then two days announce same day announcing our if you want I mean it is unbelievable and. Every kid. Tell you how many companies have consulted with that look to Amazon prime and say, how do we do this? How do we make something that you could raise the price every year and ninety nine percent of people will never even questioned whether they should renew it because the value is so high. That it just hits their credit card and they're like Yuck. And they move on. There, there's so few examples of that. Anywhere I think the reason for that is they just continued to out value to it and you continue when I first signed up for prime minister of any any video of any music they didn't have any of this stuff. Very, easily could have monetize by charging the extra and all that I. You know the experience I had with Amazon ordered two pots and pans, and one of the lids came it was a glass lid and it was shattered and I called him up and I said look I just want another live and they said, no, just keep the whole thing a throwaway Illich, keep the rest of the set we're giving you a refund. Wow and the amazing part was you go? Fast mentality went from will crap I got a broken lid to who free pots and pans right. About the LID. and. It's amazing how you can change somebody's dot crisis that quick re just by being generous and by by being customer centric. So I when I was a kid I loved getting mail. So I always I wrote to companies all the time. Because I, love getting mail, which is funny that I that my the collectibles company was basically direct mail business but I do remember I have this recollection of writing to the Fine Folks Danan yogurt when I was a kid probably. GonNa Positive for a second yet another company with the Dan in the name. Oh. Ooh I. think There's a trend here. Max. You're identifying something I did not know about the I know a Dan. Interested in a Dan company when I. Wow I'm GONNA see if I can come anymore I can main before this is over. standalone. This ten and yogurt and I wrote them because. When I was eight or nine years old their containers of yogurt were too big for me. I couldn't finish them and I always get in trouble because you know my mom didn't like that I wasted. And so I wrote them a letter and I said, could you come out with a kid size because you come out with a smaller size? And to this day I believe that they stole my idea but you know it's okay I'm over it but they did send me a letter back and they sent me some stickers and they sent me some coupons and nine years old I just felt like I was on top of the World Because Danan Yogurt wrote to me and and you know and so I've always sort of. been a brand fan since then just because of something simple that they did with respond and they didn't have to and you know they probably knew the letter was from a kid that's probably even though I didn't know that was customer experience at the time. That's probably the earliest memory I have of just being attached to a brand because he did something nice for me. That's awesome. I mean I'm just smile to my face as you're talking about it, I think any brand that makes you feel like you're on top of the world obviously the doing something right there, and it wasn't like they built amounted and put you on top of the world. It was just the fact that they. Reached out to you when they didn't have to and made it. So personal that you felt connection there. What is the easiest way to distinguish between customer experience customer service in the traditional sense? Sarah so I'm stealing this goal for someone. I don't even know who it's from. So apologies will we'll call you anonymous but the quote is the customer Customer Services. What happens when customer experience breaks? I think that's an awesome quote. I think it's generally true if you think about it. Call. Customer service or email or tweet a customer service were having a problem for the most part and I've done this You know this kind of little riff in contact centers before. To, agents spend time on the phone and I said, you know raise your hand if you've ever answered the phone and it was someone on the other line, just to say how great job you're doing and everybody laughs right 'cause that's happened never. So we talked. So we need customer service when something is disappointing, it breaks said Mrs our expectations whatever. So. Customer Service therefore is a subset of the experience. The perfect experience you never need to talk to customer service because everything delivered on time everything is super convenient to exceed expectations it seamless. It's easy but you have to talk call center customer said becomes a piece of the experience. But the experience is really every single interaction that a customer has with your brand and how they feel about it, and so every single interaction generally starts with marketing marketers. Fact I think they're new job is to promise an experience that they know the company can deliver on. That's what marketing does they new business with us by our product or service whatever become a customer and you will feel this and then. If we're do it right. We then deliver that and more and we exceed the customers expectations but customer experience also includes the finance department even though they don't think. So because we send out invoices or receipts or you know what have you statements and those statements may be difficult to read or they may have confusing language on them or they may be incorrect and have errors, and that's all experience. And so that's one of the things I love about experiences that it encompasses everything and therefore there's so much opportunity to play around with both eliminating pain points on one side and then improving in creating memorable moments on the positive side. So I like that distinction there between the pain points in the memorable moments if you're a brand or even if it's even if you're more of a Solo preneurs consultant entrepreneur that's on your own. Where should you focus your time along that experience journey? Should you spend time focusing on making those memorable moments or avoiding and substituting something in for those pain points? While the answer Max's Yes. I mean. Arena. You SORTA have to do both but let's start even a step backwards. The one thing that that companies tend to mess up and I'm going to specifically pointed B. to B. Companies and even more specifically at SAS companies attend a mess this up. Is. There is such a focus on sales. I. New customers on New Logos. that. They ignore what I like to call the leaky bucket and the leaky bucket are the customers that are walking out the back door because you're not delivering an experience to them that they think is worth paying for. And some of them are walking out the door and they're telling you and some of them are walking out the door and they're just ghosting you where what do you think they're going by the way they're going your competitor because you haven't delivered what they want it. was I mean I was at a to be the? Literally the sales team had to for every million dollars net sales they had to sell like one point three million dollars to account for the leaky bucket. Now the better answer is to focus on plugging the leak in the bucket and to change the focus to instead of being about always growth in new sales. Let's keep the customers we have. Because after all, they're the ones that are paying our paychecks, keeping the lights on making sure that our business is continue as a going concern without customers, we don't have a business and so. The what I always advise people no matter what size your business is start by focusing on the customers you have and making sure they stay with you. And that's going to give you ideas on how you might attract other customers. Also, when you create remarkable experiences for existing customers day tell other people, and so they become part of your marketing department they share on social media. Their studies have shown that people are far more willing to share positive experiences. The negative experiences on social media. The problem is as consumers we don't have very many positive experiences to share. Nobody ever said, let me tell you about that perfectly average restaurant that I went to last night. Right, it's gotta be something that's great or something that's horrible and unfortunately, and I'll ask audiences this. When I'm on stage you know who remembers the last time they were disappointed with a brand. Every hand goes up and remember the last time they were so excited about an experience, it could wait to tell their friends family like three people raise their hand. There in lies the opportunity. So I would say, I guess if I had to pick I would say focused on. Creating new memorable experiences but the problem with only doing that is that customers have less patients than ever before and if you screw up and especially if you don't owned his own up to the screw up and are not willing to fix the screw up, they're out of here and sometimes all it takes is one bad experience and customers gone never to come back and so if you have known pain points, if you have a difficult application process confusing website whatever it is. It's a big risk to to keep going with that because you're feeding that leaky bucket because people will get frustrated middle leave and so a do honestly believe you have to focus on both in order to really have the best kind of experience. Well. It makes sense because you can't obviously ignore the leaky bucket. Is specially with that metaphor. That's a very vivid metaphor. But on the positive side, it's kind of a fun challenge for anybody any brand to think. How can we create? Moments stops along this experience journey with customers that are truly remarkable and truly one of a kind. So I think that's fun. Kind of inherently has some brainstorming aspects to it. When you are considering what makes a remarkable moment? What comes to mind like, is there any particular touch point with the customer that you should focus on when you're? Working on these magical moments as a throw confetti in the background and we've my magic wand. Well I have a sort of a formula that I've developed for creating a remarkable experiences and it has an acronym that is that is called wines. The W stands for being witty, which is not being humorous. Not telling jokes because what I find humorous you might find offensive in advice versa, but being clever about budget language and being a little bit different, Funky, friendly, unique, and not just going with what everybody else goes with the is immersive and that's about creating experiences that people feel in their bones and that are consistent throughout the journey. So. There's a great example that I love to share a liquor company called Cyp. Smith Jim and SIP. Smith is the london-based. Gin. And when they do tastings instead of like your typical, they hand you a little plastic companies supposed to Chug it which courses, not how most people drink when they're out of college. Will most people. I'm not judging. By, but these is will set up a basically will do a pop up bar. They have this beautiful wonderfully dressed bartender and the first thing he asks you is what kind of tonic would you like now I'm actually I know you're GonNa ask me later for some hobbies but I'm actually a licensed bartender and I did not know that there were different types of tonic and so he explained to me that there's Indian tonic and their citrus tonic in their Mediterranean tonic and all this need describes me. All right. So I picked a tonic to go with my Jin he then sends me over to the Garnish bar. Now, a good tonic is usually gin tonic and a squeeze. But this ernest barbasol from having lines had lemons, oranges, strawberries, rose pedals, black pepper, all of these different spices and seasonings. unbelievable choices. and. Actually did the math there were over a billion different combinations that you could make in terms of the drink with garnish Loma a gun. Then, they send you to one last station, which is where you get a little note card and a tiny little clothes pin, and the idea is that you give a name to your direct you just created and you use the closed ben to in the name to Your Cup and then guess what happens next. Everybody takes pictures of it inputs on instagram. And they create the Cheryl moment. and. The reason I put it under immersive is because if they just just go back to comparing to you, they had your little plastic cup and say try Arnie jet. Okay. WHO's good. Wasn't good. I'm off to something else but instead they had me go through these stations and participate in make choices and make it my own personalize it, and it was so immersed I watched people and legitimate especially genesis liquor that people don't care for. It's not where they don't know anything about and I saw people coming in that I mean heard of they're like man I only drink vodka and this is really good her. But. Whatever. And it was opening people's eyes because they were creating unexperienced around it. Not just handing me. You know little bit of liquid, the S. Which is related to that is a wise is arable, and that's about being intentional about creating moments that people want to share that moment where you put the the little sign on your drink they don't tell you the Sarah to instagram. They know you're going to do it because it's a terrible moment, a friend of Mine Tyler. Anderson once that I I love this he said if you have to tell people, it's a Selfie spot it probably isn't a selfish by you know. So if you have to tell people what to do with a Hashtag, you are probably not talking to the right people it's about creating moments that people wants to tell their friends about. The and wise is about being extraordinary and for me extraordinary just means a little bit better than ordinary so that perfectly average restaurant that nobody talks about they don't have to change every facet of the experience to get me to talk about it. They could just do what a steakhouse near my house did when we brought our son there for his fourteenth birthday picked out for dinner. They knew that we were having a birthday celebration we walked in the door and the maitre d' handed him a signed birthday card. I was blown away and then he sort of winked at him and said, we got something for you special later and I've sat down and I thought to myself. I. Know What it isn't it's not a slice of cake right? Because that's what everybody does and sure enough they came out with a box of handmade in their own kitchen chocolate bonbons in this beautiful box on a plate and they had spelled out with cocoa powder. Happy Birthday and instead of a candle that sparkle and I'm telling all the done was taken the candle and made the sparkler like that was so cool. The presentation was unbelievable and of course, what is my fourteen year? Old Son? Do he hit snapchat I hit instagram and maybe facebook and like of course you take the picture that in you share it and that gets me thinking that one of the key things about extraordinary is We spend so much time being ordinary. So think about that birthday thing how many people max? How many companies? How many people just back in the days where you traveled in you went through an airport and stayed at a hotel how many people know your birthday? Times of companies know your birthday is you showed them your driver's license or they've asked for your birth whatever. Now, how many companies recognize your birthday almost not? And why they have the data it's a simple thing to do we all have birthdays and it's one of those things where when a company does remember that it's your birthday. It makes you stop and it's not a hard thing. It's not an expensive thing to do doesn't mean they have to send you a you know a nice watch for your birthday even just remembering your birthday and saying happy birthday to you is enough which cost absolutely nothing. So that's about being extraordinary and So those are the to me the four components of how you create remarkable experiences. You don't have to have four, but the more you have the more remarkable, the experience will be. I. Love that acronym it's why is literally wise but it's it's clever. It's witty in itself I gotta Say I the experience of hearing you detail. These is so fascinating because. It's such a good mix of the background, as well as real life examples in every single example is so personal and so clear like son's birthday a birthday example or personalized cards personalized meal offerings, things like that. It's Just, crazy when you think about it because. As you said so many companies out there have the opportunity to do these things but so few companies will actually take that step and do it. So I feel like that's where the magic happens. Or they'll do just like everybody else does it and that is ordinary and and I'm not saying you should stop if you're a restaurant, you should stop bring out a slice of cake because it's very nice and frankly people expected at this point but. I do think you can. You can rethink or imagine that experience and think about how to do it slightly differently like I said I think just addition sparkler was pretty freaking cool. You know because if those things look neat and everybody adults think they're cool and and so it's just about reimagining some of this stuff and trying to be a little bit different than the guy next door Let me give you an example That's the. Right now. We all got these emails. When Kobe I hit we all got these meals every company that we've ever even heard of let alone done business with that. Basically said the same thing they said, you know our safety as your utmost concern. Here's what we're doing to help our employees. Here's how cleaning offices better, and here's a link to the CDC. We delete we ended up deleting mock the coming millions of. I got an email from Charles Schwab, which is the brokerage firm and I work with and Charles Schwab. See Mill was completely different. Charles, Schwab emails started with we know that you must be nervous about a volatile stock market. So we WANNA share with you the resources that we have to help you through this difficult time. I was like. They know this is awesome like, yes, that is exactly what I'm nervous about Charles Schwab. Thank you very much, and by the way Charles Schwab is the company that I would expect to talk to me about the stock market right stock if starbucks emailed me about the star or the stock market that's not going to make a whole lot of sense. But that's exactly what you'd expect from Charles. Schwab. So it's on brand. It is empathetic because they understood the emotion that I. was going through which was fear and nervousness in helpful because they provided me with resources to address the emotion that I was feeling that I want to correct and so I thought that was awesome and you know what they didn't do. They didn't talk to me about how were cleaning their offices settled care cleaning offices sorry as just not that important to me but instead they focused on what was important to me, and so I always you know when I talk about wise. I try to use the three filters because I know that there are people listening here. That are in all sorts of different size companies. Summit have tons of budget summit are one man show or one woman show. And I always say that the the answers should be simple practical and inexpensive. So when I talk about making an experience extraordinary I'm not saying that you got to go you know hire a fireworks company shoot off real fireworks for somebody's birthday. Ridiculous it's tens of thousands of dollars. That's yes it's memorable. But that's not what I'm talking about. Simple practical inexpensive Charles Schwab e mail did knock cost them more than email that talks about the cleaning procedures right and so it was simple. It was practical because it helped me and it did cost them more money. It's why one of the places I'd love to look for any company. There's a physical location. One of the first things that I look at is their sign age. How do you communicate to people in and around your building whether you're a restaurant or a retail store or what have you are a hotel? How do you communicate to people are your signs fun to read our they interesting they witty or do they just check the box in the information? Can have fun with science and. That's simple. It is practical in it's inexpensive. So I always try to run through those filters at. So the people in annual note I appreciate you noticing that I that I share lots of examples and I it's very intentional because I don't. I don't want anybody to think that I'm sitting here telling you what to do because who am I I'm I'm just a guy I've I've had some experience. Yes but I'm just a guy. So don't do it because Dan says so do it because there's great examples that will show the Asian inspire you and be will show you how other companies have been successful. I love sharing those examples but every example that I share is meant to be simple practical and inexpensive or is meant to have a takeaway that is that. So I'll admit the SIP Smith example they put some money into these Baba bartending things like. That's not I wouldn't put that one is inexpensive but the whole concept of creating an immersive experience and creating sharable moment doesn't have to be expensive and some of the things that they did like allowing me to personalize the name of my drink for example, that's not expensive and so you know sometimes I'll often tell audiences maybe it's a whole to be audience and they'll and I get this question a lot. So now I'm proactive about it they'll say well, out of the examples you shared were consumer businesses so I don't know if this applies to me. And My answer which I try not to sound sarcastic is to say, well, that depends it depends on whether your marketing to humans are not. And they pause and sort of look at me and I'm like everybody that you are marketing to is a consumer in real life and so that is how they're judging their experiences from a consumer, Lens it's what we know and so the the retail store if I go into a bookstore. And last night I had a really great waiter at a restaurant who gave me awesome recommendations on the menu who I trust completely the next day when I walk into a Bookstore I kind of expect the person behind the counter to give me awesome recommendations and helped me right and yet that has is your expectations. It totally does and so it your. Being, judged on the you're being compared to every other experience at your customer has had as a consumer or as a business person and so even if you look at something like six months and say, well, I'm not the alcohol business, you can dissect that experience that I described and you can take pieces out of it and apply to your own business. Let's apply this to a new podcast for your business. What would you do to take that podcast from being ordinary to extraordinary? Email me at Max Max podcasting dot com to bring that extraordinary podcast to life now back to Dan, the man. GINGAS. So. Let's switch gears a little bit. Let's get to a segment on inspiration and creativity and you alluded to this earlier when you talked about hobbies. So I have to dive into it. Now, how did you become a licensed bartender in what? What was the biggest thing you enjoyed about that? So while I was at the Danbury Mint Hawking collectibles I went to bartending school at night It was two weeks and like two hours tonight it was some of the most fun I ever had and I did it just because I wanted to learn how to do it. I didn't really have a whole lot of interested in becoming a bartender although I spent a little time bartending, but it was mostly just I wanted the skill and it's funny as I was. Twenty three when I did that and my whole life I'd used that skill and it's one of the things like playing the piano right when when you can sit down and play you know you get to any piano and play it. I could go to anybody's house in, go to any buddies bars setup in figuring out how to make drink out of whatever they have, and it's just sort of a fun skill and I loved it. I just had a blast. I don't remember all the drinks that I learned after all these years but just the technique and and that sort of thing I thought it was fascinating people must be very fun of you when you come to their parties and happen to have this talent, I've I've been asked Multiple Times at parties to service the bartender and I'm always happy to do it and yeah, it's just one of those skills that comes in handy quite a bit. Kinda happy. I have at one skill I have the does not come in handy except for my own entertainment is I am a a secret pinball wizard I love can really I have five machines in my basement and. Well I grew up with two of them and and when my parents downsized I I. swooped in took them. But yeah, that's always been a hobby of mine and I've been enjoying watching the resurgence of ball little bit around the world I'm assuming you're a big fan of the song pinball wizard into. Who of course? Absolutely absolutely I think between pinball and bartending you're like the ultimate host so you've clearly worked. got. The game room and the and the bar. Yes. So rest of the House forget about it. You also have an endless list of party tricks and stand up comedy routines. I got a pretty good selection of eighties music to if you enjoy that. When you think about it, what activity are you doing or or maybe it's just you know certain part of your home that you're in at the time or going for a walk what are you doing when you feel most creative and I'll shout out our mutual Buddy Ryan fall into actually introduced us for this interview. But back in his episode, he talked about it can be as simple as looking up like going outside and looking up can be such an amazing thing for clearing your mind and help you be more creative when. Creativity strike. You. A for me, my grandmother may she rest in peace had a wonderful phrase that I think about a lot that she she used to refer to airing your brains out and and that means going outside and just joined the fresh air or and I just love that term and so for me, it's usually taking a walk I adopted his dog during covid an older dog and so I ever a friend to go on on walks with which has been really fine and I just I. I think the the fresh air up prefer summer even though I live in Chicago but even being out the fall air or what have you I I think that generates a lot of. A lot of creativity flipping through a magazine or I. Still Am a Sucker for print like I still. Love sitting reading the Sunday newspaper like the actual Sunday newspaper. So I can find inspiration there as well, and also read a lot of books. With business books, I. Tend to be a little bit more of a skimmer her and tried to Kinda fines. If you just a couple of takeaways that'll help me, it doesn't really help me to dog year seventy pages and highlight all this stuff because I know all never go back to it. So I'm kind of looking for that one or two pieces of inspiration that I can Go do something about. But even the but the pinball thing to the I the reason I loved I love on started really in high school and college is a it's a stress reliever for me it just you know in a way that I guess some people see in video games as well but I love the physical like the physics of pinball. Visit Physics Yeah. Sorry. I didn't sound great but no, that's but. The fact that it's that it's real. You're not scaring screen. You know there's you know I'll go beat up machine and just get out a lot of energy feel really really great after that. So it's a stress reliever as well and I think we all need whatever it is that you need to relieve stress and Kinda resod. Yes. Definitely might as well have some fun play some games while you're doing it. Okay. So let's get to a fan favourite segment called the wild business shout of the week well business out of the week. So fan favourite Dan favorite segment while business shadow of the week. This is where we talk about a brand or campaign that caught her attention and not that many people have heard of starbucks Nevada mean everyone is Sorta starbucks but you might not have heard of what they did related to zoom you mind sharing that example. Absolutely I loved this example. starbucks sent down to its customers I believe the ones that are on the rewards program in a whole series of virtual backgrounds that look like you're sitting in a starbucks and they took actual pictures from a of starbucks all over the world. They even took some that I have motion in them that you know like there's a nitro cold brew sitting next to you, and you can see the the bubbles rising and that sort of stuff and so I wrote a blog post on my website called how to work from home from starbucks and I just think it's brilliant because it's just so in touch with what people are going through right now we all wish we were sitting in starbucks like yet were also all playing around with virtual backgrounds and and what have you. So what I love about it is it's not something the tries to get you to buy more starbucks. It's not a sales. Technique. It's just honing in on something that people are feeling and experiencing right now and then inserting brandon and a really creative way. So. Mike urge you to check out the different backgrounds. I think the way they did it was really clever and again it didn't feel like they were trying to sell me anything. So I just loved it as a marketing campaign. It's funny when you think about it because you hear so much about this concept of the third place in kind how starbucks is really tried to build that as you have your home, you have your work, your office, and then the third place you kind of have another place that you could go and hang out. It's kind of like inbetween and that a starbucks now obviously in crazy time, all those have been combined into one but how can you? As a brand that is that third-place insert yourself still be sensitive to what's going on, but still come up with something clever and that was totally perfect as you pointed out the idea of being at home but also being quote unquote at starbucks at the same time. It's pretty crazy but also really really clever or witty going back to your wise acronym and I think it was totally well executed as a personal. Preference because I've seen people go back and forth about this outside of even the starbucks example are you someone Dan who enjoys using virtual backgrounds zoom or do you prefer it without? I generally go. Without. It's I mean, they're fun and I do think it's fun for people to be expressive right now. I think it's important in we're all we're all having fun with sort of meeting people's kids at meeting people's pets in I know I have both a dog and a cat my cat seems to always know when I'm on video because he wants right across the keyboard right in front of the camera right on cue. And so in that sense, I think you know that virtual backgrounds are fun for people and and you should use them. I have played around with them and if mostly gone without but I you know if I was going to use one, I'd probably use something like the starbucks on because I just gets. It's pretty fine and it'd be funny to like have somebody do a double take and be like, wait you how you at a starbucks right now. That would be fun. Yeah have seen people be very clever with them. I'm Kinda. I'm in the same boat like I. Don't think I've ever put on a virtual background just kind of like that more personal natural feel of being just wherever you are. But I have seen people be very very clever with them especially when you can use any image that's under computer or kind of you can kind of make memes out of it now basically and zoom form. So so it's a unique opportunity to do something like this and starbucks nailed it. So let's wrap up with some rapid fire QNA you ready for it. I'm ready. All right I'm ready. Well. Let's get wild. What is your favorite Chicago Food of all time or maybe? Chicago restaurant. It's gotTa be deep dish pizza have to make that argument. Any of my New York fans you must really be from Chicago. I know but Dane Cross that you fold and the and the grease runs down your arm but. Dishes words out that argument cracks me up because they both taste really really good. They do I like I like New York painted. Yeah, exactly. It's like. Not There's no losers here. I'm happy taste tests. Any different type of pizza out there? Do you say Popper Soda? Depends on the audience because I'd like to know my. Okay. I'm from Cleveland originally, I would say prop. Nice Cool Yay. Cleveland is considered mid West Right. Yes. Absolutely. Eastern time zone but not not too far from Chicago yeah, I grew up with pop but I when I spent time on the East Coast I adopted. Soda. Don't understand the people that say coke no matter what it is that one confuses me yeah, that one's right unless it's actually coat when it's different ones, it's. It's is absolutely crazy but I've had the same experience grew up saying pop and thinking soda was like the weirdest sounding thing ever now that I'm living on the East Coast you hear Soda. So often that pop starts to send a little bit weird but. In my heart is always pops. Oh, but if you say Poplin get looked at like you're alien. So right exactly you've got to look. Like you're drinking pop crazy but what is your favorite cocktail to make? I like making a traditional. Gin. Martini I think it is one of the most sophisticated. Drinks, and when done well is Is just the perfect. Drink. And to continue the trend from earlier does that have anything to do with the fact that your last name has gin? Not But. Great Call Man I. think There's a Lotta subliminal stuff going on here. God Yeah I never I never thought of that but. I feel like I'm like introducing you to your own name throughout this interview I know. I know I. Am I am familiar with the fact that Dan G. Spells Dang so if I say the word Dang, a couple of times you to call me on it. There we go. That's pretty hard core. What is your biggest pet peeve? People. Who cracked their, knuckles. It's linking yes. Like. Nails on a chalkboard to me not even ooh that man that's a double. Nine we're going to go there and what is your? What is your favorite type of cookie of all time? Good old chocolate chip toll house chocolate chip. There you go. However, I'm going to share with the world. My family's secret tollhouse recipe you ready yes. Made the toll house recipe on the bag. and double the chocolate chips. You're welcome Oh. Okay. All right. We got a new recipe we gotta try perfect. All right that yeah. That sounds like a pretty good good mix there quite the ratio. Well Dan, this has been awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your first name. Your Latin. Sharing all your stories and examples and amazing lessons from remarkable customer experience really appreciate your time and sharing everything. Where's the best place for people to connect with you to buy your book and anything else you WANNA shut out? Max Dang Nice to talk to you and I hear your listeners got maximum value out of it. All my God you're GonNa. Bring a tear to my eye. You could catch me Dan Gingas dot. com. It's Deanne G. I.. N. G. I S.. my blog, Zehr bug podcasts everything you need to know about me is there and I'm also very active on twitter at digging as and also in Lincoln. So be happy to connect in practice what I preach. So if you ask me questions or or shout I will respond to you because that's what I teach others to do. So I will be a response absolutely with maximum as well. Final thing here I don't think final thoughts. It could be quote just align anything you WANNA leave us with us off sent us home here. In this strange world that we're living in right now. Customer experience has really never been more important because customers are we were consumers as well. People are looking for calm and comfort we want and confidence. We want to know that things are going to be all right and I believe that one of the places that can provide common confidence for us as the companies we do business with, and if they're common confident, then we're going to be as well. Harding piece of advice is try to think of ways. To make your customers calm and confident right now, and they are going to thank you when this is all over and they're going to stick with you. And be your customers for a long time to calm. because. You'll be one of the few companies that's doing that. Dan. The man G who is calm and confident himself. Thank you so much Dan for sharing your story, your first and last name probably some middle name nicknames in there as well and they well listeners for tuning into another episode. If, you want to hear more wild stories like this one. Make sure to subscribe to this podcast on your favorite APP and telephone about the show, and you can find out more at Max PODCASTING DOT com. Until. Next time who let your business run wild. Goes.

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#2009: Saddle Up

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#2009: Saddle Up

"Took the car talk from National Public Radio with us. Click clack the tapper brothers and we're broadcasting this week from the repercussions repercussions. That's not cussin' here at car. Talk Plaza yes and this is the repercussions on that puzzle of yours. In fact this sent to us by Dawn Hutto see. Maybe we shouldn't have mentioned his name and the subject of of the of his email was your damn puzzle. Tom And ray usually your infantile puzzles. Take me no more than fifteen minutes to conjure up the correct answer but last week's was driving me crazy and has caused unexpected problems. I'm in my kitchen last night. Which happens to have a double light switch. And I'm trying to figure out prisoners and the light switch puzzling as I go through the various scenarios I flip the switches testing. My different hypotheses soon is a policeman at the door asking me. If anything is wrong. He tells me that various they've is have seen my lights blinking in strain sets of twenty three and I was signaling a distress call. He asked if I would stop until I could tell my neighbors what I was doing so they wouldn't call nine one one anymore. I agreed but in two minutes after they left. My house is full of concern. Neighbors asking me what happened. I've got the same look from them as I did. The police officer they all left mumbling. I think it was something like swing a shame. He was so young. We always thought he was normal. You was though I mean. I'm sorry I mean the guy was trying to use the empirical approach and he's flipping switches. They have a hands on approach. Always works best for me. I have to say that this is one of the few puzzle is now that I think of it. That you didn't fuss gate or unclarified it and have was free. And that way out of the box free unclarified. You actually went out of your way to make it understandable. I thought I did. Yeah so unlike you. I know it is well. You'll see what happens today. Anyway if you have a question about your car or anything else that number to call is eight eight car talk. That's eight to two seventy two five five a lawyer on Car Talk. Conrad toiling from Barre Massachusetts. Hi What's up? It's a red eighty six hundred civic It's been sitting out in the wintry cold cold weather for about three months. I went to draw that day and the The emergency brake was frozen onto the cost. my question is what am I supposed to do to get it? I see well I mean you can wait for the spring thaw drive it. No even that's not going to do it. You know what what happens? Is the shoes the brakes when you put on the emergency. Brake handle This eighty-six civic has brake shoes in the rear. Which is the only breaks at the emergency? Brake acts on the rear brakes. And those shoes get pushed out by the tension on this cable. That you've tugged on against the against the drums and they have rusted in place If you tried to move it at all good underneath it with a hammer busted up yeah. That didn't work so we hit the gas tank hitting the brake shoes with hammers. Oh you did. Did you see the cables while you're under the I didn't know I didn't have the brains look for the Well you want to crawl under there again and find the cable shake them yeah correct grab onto it and just. Yank it but I'm going to suggest that that's not going to fix I. I agree because probably not because the shoes have in a sense welded themselves to the drums. We've had some warm days and if it were the cables that were frozen. They would have thought out by now. It's rust what we doing with this car that you could sit for all these months we well. What were you doing with it? I was trying to avoid at Meditation. Center out here in Berry. Yeah and Meditation for three months. You leave your car out in the Fox for three months during the winter really nirvana ship. Pay There's always a price to pay is going to suggest. Yeah I'm going to suggest the saint well How far are you from the closest Gas Station about three miles three miles. Well you do a front wheel drive car the worst case scenario you could just drag the real wheels. They raise them up off. The ground escapes Roller Skates. Jack his is what you should try to do. You should try to run rock the car back and forth as best you can in other words let the Clutch Show. Try to go forward. It won't throat it in reverse tried to go backwards and hopefully you will free them up But when you can't you can't get onto that. Walk down to that gas station and boral their oxyacetylene torch. I have have them. Just tow it over and the and they're going to have they're going to have a devil of a time getting the drums off to And they're going to tell you that the next time you park it for the winter do not set the handbrake and don't forget if if nothing works you won't care breaks compared to Nevada. Yeah exactly exactly I liked diddly squat say he by One eight. I wonder if he met only on auspey overdose while he was in his translate. Stay everyone meets only on us. We owner later exactly for those of you. Don't know that's Tommy's alter ego imaginary friend. Omi on I think I don't really know I had an imaginary friend called Fred Mopey. The same guy might be the same guy. One eight eight car talk. That's eight hundred reach the Vanni. You're going to have a name. You can't be thread. I am. I'm the Dalai Fred. I always thought that was unusual. Dali Lama Fred. You'RE GONNA only on US be overdose have to have a mysterious name. Yeah I guess that's well. That's why Fred and I parted ways. Eight eight eight two two seven eight two five five lawyer on car talk. Hi This is pat from Danbury Connecticut. Pat How are you? I'm fine how are you? I'm so excited? This is great. It's Danbury the Perogie capital of the world. I don't know it's hat city. They used to make hats and the hat capital. Okay Yes yes. Yeah he lives there. What's up well My husband wants me to put this to you. Very objectively. We live about three tenths of a mile from the bus. Stop which doesn't seem for but when it's really cold out or raining or snowing or really Wendy. He walks my girls up there that our daughters stepdaughters and he won't drive them up there. Even though it's really cold now they go to parochial school and they were killed two knee socks. They can't wear pants and he says he's from Maine. You know how those people are and he says you have to drive a car at least eight miles or else. You're only getting two miles a gallon because it's only running on gas and there's not the oil's not going through the engine whatever. Yeah but he doesn't think he should have to drive them to the bus stop. Well he's nice enough to walk them to the bus stop. Oh it is. It's great. He's a wonderful man. I love him journey but he just has that New England thriftiness you know needs it phrase. GonNa ruin the car skin eight. He's not a cheapskate. But he thinks he's going to hurt the car I want not. I mean it's ridiculous to ruin a car when you know it can last for fifty years. If you take care of key said he said now when you talk to them you be sure and tell them that. I want the car to less. They'll tell you you can drive to the bus stop but then the course not gonNa Laugh. We're all we're on your husband's side. What's his name? You're kidding Jake. Jake is one hundred percent correct. Uh-huh food drive the car. Three tenths of a mile. You will wreck. The car is a girl's mind walking. Sometimes they really mind walking and they say we asked Jake. If he'll drive us to the bust up I have to ask him and then he goes. What's the matter you know when I was a kid? I walked ten miles through. That's right in Maine. No less bank. Danbury Connecticut is close to tropical well compared to appear to Maine and when he was a kid he had to walk ten miles to school and back then they didn't have any legs even have any schools or data to three days and the kick isn't the way life was hard and he's not a Wuss. And we we have turned we have become a nation of wusses driving car three tenths of a mile. Unconscionable what how does this hurt the car? It's a long story. Kale things happen. When engine is Cole? The gasoline that gets injected doesn't get combusted completely. You get washed down of the cylinder walls because a cold engine causes condensation of the vaporized. Gas Gasoline gets into the oil the oil so the oil becomes a poor lubricant and cylinder walls. Get scuffed and your mileage gets terrible. Which is the least sauce system gets rotted away? Rotten story here PAT happy ending year. It sounds terrible. So they're going to have to walk and just be called Kid. They wear leggings. Well you know they. Can you know how kids are they could but then they say well we get to school and you have to take them off? And I don't have room in my book bag because they have to so many books Jacob Jacob carrying them home there we go. That's an idea. I think we may be onto something office. Problem Girls Nine and twelve twelve. Yeah Yeah they're hopeless at that age right asked by the way my son lived with you for a year sixteen and I'm going to kill him. Sixteen year olds in my house. Sixteen year old males and sixteen year old male. It'll be saving his life. Oh well it would be like altruistic. Wouldn't it we'll have to talk about this pictures? Okay thanks a lot one. Eight eight eight car talk or one eight two seven eight two five five zero. You're on car talk. This is a job from Newark. Who joff Jawf as in Jeff Jeff? That's how it's spelled yet really. I liked joff better. I never I never heard of anyone pronouncing Jawf Joffrey It was a nickname from when I moved from Michigan to Newark. And you probably had some teacher who didn't understand how to spell Jeffrey and saw it written and call Utah For us about J. O. F. F. R. E. Y. CHANGE E F F. All right mutton awesome where are you from Newark? Newark New Jersey. Now that would be Newark. I'm from Newark. Commodore Fighting Blue Hens here in Delaware. No Kidding Mark Newark Newark. Two words frontward spell just like Newark Newark Delaware. Yep Yeah so. Go ahead joff Yeah problem I got is a nineteen ninety. Toyota pick-up trucks Scott a four speed manual in it several weeks ago when I got up to the fourth gear seemed like the clutch was slipping yourself knee. I could hear the engine rob but the speedometer didn't really seem to got much speed. Doesn't look good for you joff Brad. I figured if it was the clutch price should have noticed it. Like first second and third years to no not really touches most prone to in the highest highest gear under the largest load the way we test clutches for slipping in the shop and make otherwise good clashes. Begin to slip when we also want a new clutch. Is You put the thing in high gear highest gear that it has your set the handbrake we pull up to. Peter's toolbox over anything doesn't work. He loses his tool box. And you try to drive the car away giving it as much gas as you want to almost and letting the clutch out all the way and the idea being that if the clutches sound in the car can't move because the handbrake is on or you're up against a tree. The engine will shut down if the engine doesn't shut down then in fact you. Clutches Gaunt is the engine turning in. The wheels aren't so what's turning the clutch slipping. Okay yeah that makes sense but Kinda stopped doing it. That's possible it's possible because you haven't really duplicated the conditions. Okay but I mean if you if you try to climb a hill there any Hilton Delaware. Now that's that's the problem that's the problem you could drive around for us with a bad clutch and you wouldn't even know it or you know it's time for new one. Well I mean you can perform this test yourself. Pull it up against a tree. Put it in fourth gear and let the clutch out and give it gas and see if it slips but that one takes the last little bit of a clutch. These right next to the repair shop won't make a sound clutch will suffer no repercussions from this test. Because it was stalling the engine will stall abruptly. It's like someone just yanked the Plug Bang. It'll shut right down and a week clutch. You'll hardly know that the thing was in gear. Keep running and you'll say oh that's funny. I mean fourth let me see thirty five hundred RPM. I should be doing this book. Limited says forty miles an hour doing about sixty five miles an hour. But I'm not moving and that's how it could be but on the other hand if you don't have any trip any plans to take a trip say from Newark to Newark or anything of that nature. I would simply forget all about this you will you will forget we had this conversation. Yes joffrey off your falling into a deal falling into a deep your eyelids a heavy want. You'll be known as Jeff when you awaken. Forget everything we've said here. Today you will forget about the clutch and I will get stranded somewhere someday. Oh yeah well you could but you probably have some warning you. Every once in a Whi- Jeff had the warning. No Jeff Joff John House you name. You had the warning jobs. Let's see it doesn't matter he had the warning doesn't drive that he had the warning wise when it forget all about the conversation. Because we've instructed him what called but get the clutch replace. You need it real soon. Okay Seal Guys bye-bye Okay Tommy. You're week's puzzled by any chance. Why remember last week's puzzle or not even the foggiest no? I didn't think it happened. It involves like our previous caller a failed clutch in a nearby all night. Diner was based on an episode of happy days. No we'll be back with the whole story and more of your calls in just a minute so please stay tuned. There's nothing in the world that can make me be like I do. And now diamond. Rio Down the interstate ninety miles an hour with three hundred hoses and at ten P. relieve all the smoke you stay at their claws to get stranded. Tomlin Tony on some time. And we play the game just to win base all her their pets all down on real spend time to carry forty one tonnes and she turns on and even though the FCC ads people to the weekend shift whenever they hear us say it this is NPR. This message comes from car talk and NPR SPONSOR. 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Click and collect the tablet brothers and we hit it talk about cars car repair. And of course the answer to last week's puzzle and this was one of those puzzles that I had to kind of rework a little a little. I guess I had to completely rewrite it. But the colonel of the puzzle was sent in by a Fella named Jeff. Inherit is good buddy. I wrote late one night and it was. It was so late in fact that when we get back to the parking lot my car was the only one still there. At the time I was driving and otherwise very reliable. Honda accord anyway as I was preparing to start the engine. I stepped on the Clutch Pedal. And it just sank to the floor. I could start the car neutral but there was no way to shift the thing with the engine running now. The fluid and the clutch master cylinder had been leaking out slowly. And I've been meaning to get it fixed but I just didn't have the time I'd I'd been topping off the reservoir every two or three weeks with this can't of brake fluid. I had in the trunk and I guess I just forgot so I opened the trunk while I reassured my friend that just a few ounces of fluid and a few quick pumps that clutch pedal to remove the air in the system and we'd be back on the road in seconds and we wouldn't miss the late late movie which was Bikini carwash well. I found. We can't break Florida but it was empty bone dry. I guess I must've left cap loose or something anyway desperate. I started rummaging through the contents of my trunk and I found the you know the usual stuff Jack a spare tire deflated football. My High School Diploma picture of my mother-in-law. She's getting there a can of oil some antifreeze jug of water. Well I knew I couldn't use any of those things especially the liquids as I was afraid contaminate the fluid that hadn't yet leaked out and do damage to the other rubber parts and seals. It was still okay in the clutch system right. Yeah what to do. I tried scaring the thing back into working by flashing. That picture of my mother-in-law didn't work well then just then I noticed that my pal was jumping from one foot to the next and I said Hey. What's the problem and he said? I need to find a bathroom so directed them to an all night burger joint across the road while I stood there hood and Mouth Agape and pondered pondered my fate ten minutes later. I guess he really had to go. My friend returned with a spring in his step and something in his hands claiming that what he was carrying would solve our problem and get us home. The question was what was he holding in? How did it work? I got and the hint was. He didn't buy anything he stole the keys to somebody. I'll quote exactly. What are the employs lifters keys in the washroom and he walked home in minutes? It's that kind of thinking. Yeah that's almost landed in prison a few times. Well it's outside the box. You know what I mean. Yeah we'd be inside. The box would what he brought back a soda Straw. And with the Sodas. Strife you remember back on page eleven. I mentioned that it was a can of brake fluid because the break in the clutch use the same fluid. Yeah well this brake fluid that hadn't leaked out. It's in the brake fluid. Reservoir reservoir had no fluid but how to get it from one to the other. You merely stick a soda. Straw off the suck anything up. You put your finger on the end of it and you move it out. Move it over. Take your finger off in. This stuff drips into the clutch master cylinder. Do it a couple of demand for five times and tell us that it's not enough to make the brakes not work unless you are out of brake fluid in which case you'd be dead in the water and it's not enough to cause any problems with the brace because they have a reservoir which is designed for this exact purpose you can steal brake fluid from it when you need it. Do we have a winner? The winner is gene. Sager from western South Dakota and for having a correct answer chosen at random and the garbage bag full of correct answers that we got and as soon as they choose a lot of the ice yeah if they can sizzler out of the ice. She's GonNa get a twenty dollar gift certificate to the Shameless Commerce Division. Yes you heard that right. Foam twenty six dollars and with that gift certificate. Gene you go to the shameless commerce era of the site and pick out anything you want as long as it's on the cheap side but we're real big spenders anyway. We will have a brand new puzzle coming up in the third half of the show. So don't go anywhere in the meantime. If you have a question about your car give us a call. The number is eight car talk. That's eight eight eight two two seven eight two five by the way I wanted to mention I got A. We got all kinds of emails and letters we get we get stuff regarding a show that we did a few weeks ago. An came from a fellow named Jim Betts and he said on on the show a few weeks ago. Tom And ray mentioned that. There is soundproof. Glass around the booth. They need to replace it. I can still hear them. Thanks Jim Call. Eight eight eight eight two two seven eight two five five lawyer on. Car Talk. What do you think of the shower? Hello Are you watching? I am Washington. Who's this this is Martin from Franconia New Hampshire Mara Meharry? What's up well? I have a twofold problem to fold. Yeah go ahead. Our tribe Will expand from a family of three to a family of five any day. Now Oh really heavy with child. I am happy with two. Two girls really cool and we're looking for new vehicle. That'll fit three car seats. Plus the rest of the circus and the problem is I'm morally opposed to SUV's and my husband would rather drive a horse and buggy than a minivan. Oh well that's the satellite. Really I tell you. I think he might feel differently. If you test drove the vehicle that we're GONNA recommend and I'm I'm not even going to mention and I'm just GonNa scribbling on a piece of paper here and my brother is going to recommend the very same vehicle. Okay wait a minute. How do you Spell Caravan with a k? What did you write? I wrote Honda Odyssey. I wrote Honda Odyssey. Also the second part of the dilemma. Is I love old cars ninety five. Yeah I'm thinking of a car like a VW Besser to Bang Bang. Yeah we'll stop thinking about that because you got three little kids and you can't put them in a deathtrap like an old. Vw Microbus Right. My husband wants safety and reliability. I want something with a sole Mar- you gave up your soul. The day decided to have kids. I mean forgettable just smell. It's too late now. It's not about you anymore for the next twenty years. It's about those three kids and that's it right and by the time dig rob your husband. We drooling on himself and then it'll be him get what you want a minivan go for it. You know I'd prefer I'd rather drive. A Horse and buggy myself minivans. I'm curious to know I'll tell you I have had several mini vans That's why no one speaks to you anymore. We all know you went. You went WORC- on us. I'm just love the utility of a mini van. I mean the fact that you can see six or seven people if you need to take the seats out. Reconfigure them to make room for you. Know that load of spring manure the strawberries. I mean there are all kinds of uses. That a mini. I mean. They don't handle great and all that but you know what would to. We're falling for the advertisers. Who are telling us. Don't buy this. It isn't cool car primarily a device. Which GETS YOU FROM POINT. A. TO POINT B. and we shouldn't lose sight of that. I understand that it's practical. I just have to believe that the Dalai Lama's at the vehicle world there has to be a compromise between being the epitome of like soccer. Mom to just having something. That's kind of Funky but What's important to you not having an SUV? Or not having the haunting. So that's that's that's priority number one. What about an old Volvo with well you know the truth is you can fit three car seats in station wagon? The back seat of a Volvo will take three car seats. So if you don't want to go the route of the mini van. You could go on the wagon but you know what it's real tight it's real tight and Yoga and you wish because don't forget right now you've got one cow. Well does the kid you got now. She just turned three. She just turned three. She's got terrible too. It just almost thinking that you human and all of a sudden you're gonNA start all over again and life I and life is going to be very very hectic and the least the last thing that you need is more aggravation and so you're going to in six months when you've been driving this odyssey around you are going to love the fact that you constrict those kids you can separate them when they start sticking their fingers in each other's eyes you can do anything and you'll still have room in the way back to put groceries and all kinds of junk and you're going to love the utility of the thing and you will forget that it's a soccer mom car because you will have painted and with flowers all over the outside of it. There's I think what you have to make it less of a boring thing by doing something to it. And the truth of the matter is the Odyssey I think is the least boring of the mini. Vans that go and check it out and your husband and if you need someone to straighten out your husband on this Give us a call and we'll come up and let them know we have to will well. He can get the Kit to put the flame decals on the sure. I mean. He'll be so busy. Reconstructing this to make it into something cool so that you don't have to go around hanging your head in shame that you succumbed to the mini van philosophy. And don't forget you use you basically when you had the first kid you said minivans are on the horizon and that's it I mean what can you do? That's my somewhere. I mean you can't go around in a MIATA anymore. Let's it give it up. Give Up Blah. See you later again. I still remember the words of Mrs. Whitten who lived in a condo building that I lived in Brooklyn and when she saw that Joann was pregnant. We were at the Mailboxes. One day and she said what are you doing joints it on bought a month and Mrs Wooden. I didn't know she was such a deep philosopher. She said you have no idea how much you'll lives will change. Those words have come back. That was forty five minutes ago. Words come back to US day after day. Yeah yeah sure. Don't want one my wife about having kids. I told her it was bad. I one eight eight eight one day when things were going especially bad. The kids killing each other. She leans over and she whispers in my ear. You're right hit the let my kids hear that. No no but I mean you can have kids would fight over your estate with him on one. Eight eight eight car talk. That's eight eight doubled to seventy eight to fifty five. Hello you're on Carson. It'd be Royal Tenenbaum's see that movie the Royal Tenenbaums. I used to think that the best gravestone said. I told them I was sick and so I saw that movie on. Tv again the other day really. His gravestone said he died valiantly attempting to save his family from a sinking battleship. That's pretty who is this. This is Peter from West Milton Pennsylvania. What's up here? I got this thing. I've got this terrific three bay two story garage and sometime last summer. I left the garage door open and Bat Scott in and I know that since their pooping all over the place. Oh so what do you think of me? Starting all three cars closing the doors with the remote and idle for about thirty minutes. I suspect that first of all it's a cruel and unusual treatment and secondly I probably won't work really well because it's such a big space. It's a big garage on. How many bats do you have in there? Oh probably about a half dozen shows wish we. I wish we had contact with our our bat expert on our staff. We have a bat expert. Actually a friend of a friend has appeared in Batman. -nology solved. I don't know what it is. What Italian word for BAT EAT BISTRO PEACE THREAT LOW? Be Be Still. Let the The cards in there for an hour. Let THEM IDLE. But you what bath. Probably don't WanNa live in your three bay two story garage. They would rather live in a cave. Once you build a cave alongside the girl you might want to build a by a bat house. I have a bad house and it's mounted on a telephone pole. Okay and they took him a long time to find it. Yeah I like that idea and putting up signs by the way to the while they disband should remove the screens from the sky lights and just let him go out. Let him go out exactly. Oh you haven't done that. Well I tried. It just doesn't work. It seems like more. Come in. Yeah yeah well you know why they found the cave but you know you might want to call the the local extension service you know and tell them you're dilemma. What's an extension the? Us Department of Agriculture has all your giveaway trees and whatnot and tell them you got bats in the belfry there. And that's what they'll do for you. Have you ever tried putting a radio in there and playing it while our show was on all the time? Whenever I'm working there it's always on usually that drives out everything. Bagel Saturday afternoon. Opera will do it. You can do this to you. Could call the We have a great veterinary school here in Massachusetts. Tufts University has a veterinary school. You can call the Wildlife Department and find out what they recommend recommend running the cars who knows we don't know but we don't recommend it. We're already in enough trouble with everybody. I think I would be too and you don't really want to get rid of. They do eat their weight in mosquitoes like every day but they poop on the cars on the cars. And that's what I don't I mean you can convert Bat Guano into into a goal. Yeah Yeah so you won't be able to run the cars on it anyway. Good Luck Peter. And in the meantime cover up the cars because you'll never get that stuff off all right. Good bye bye. Wow Okay Look. We have to pause right now in take a break. That's good because I spilled orange soda to calls. We don't get up now. This is GonNa be permanently caramelized but it will break. Mahar headed to California. 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Click and clack the TAB brothers and we hit a discuss cars car repair and The new puzzle this game. This guy named Steve Boyd. And I'll just basically read. What do I see all the notes? -cation he is a way of introducing the puzzle. He says the puzzle for this week was so bad. I felt I must suggest a truly automotive puzzle. He says when I bought my nineteen seventy three beetle about ten years ago and I bought it from these hippy guys beads and long hair and all that he told me that the eighty thousand on the dominant were original miles. Well I didn't believe him for a second because when I took the car for a test drive I noticed there was rust. All over the body that the the breaks would barely stopped the car. I had my heart my throat when I stepped on the brakes and the clutch was beginning to slip anyway. I negotiated the price down to four hundred bucks and felt pretty proud of myself that I had gotten the car for that long. That's cheap. I gave him the four hundred bucks and drove my my yellow. There was yellow my yellow time. Bomb a time warp home about a year later. I got around to buying new tires when I called around to get the best price. A tire vendor told me something that made me think maybe I've been told the truth about the eighty thousand for original miles. I know what it was. What was I told now if you think you know the answer right on the back of a twenty dollar bill by the way the sale? This is very significant. If you don't send US twenty six we can't send twenty six bucks to the person who the winner who wins. So it's so it's just asking for twenty. We'll be a buck ahead every week. Then there's one crazy person anyway. It only takes one twenty. Six justice will break you and your answer. The Puzzle Tower Car Talk Box thirty five hundred Harvard Square Cambridge Cambridge. All of this. I wasn't paying it Cambridge. Our City Matt zero eight or you can email from car talk dot Com GonNa say that to say right now if you have a question about your car or anything else. The number to call is eight hundred eight. That's eight two two seven eight two five five. Hello you're on car talk. Hey who's this? This is Aaron in Santa Cruz. How you doing Alan well? I have a Toyota tercel. Let's say four-wheel-drive station wagon. It doesn't always start and it's not battery related It's as if it floods itself. Notorial is just the facts Ma'am right. You've watched dragnet. Don't give us this sort of pseudo diagnosis. It's not battery related. Flooded will be the judge of that. Doesn't start what happens it will chug Chug if I turn the key on and then once it eventually starts at ten out of white pufus smoke. That's certainly not better related. It sounds to me like it's flooding these problems that you have starting at a mostly Encountered when you go to start it first thing in the morning after it sat overnight. Is that true? Oh wait a minute. So when when the day is most likely to happen? It doesn't various times during the day. Oftentimes it doesn't more when I've been driving short distances in turning it off and then getting out and then getting back on and turning it on and then you know going somewhere else so most of the time it will start finding in one of those times you get in to turn the key and it goes but does it just krankl difficult poem postponed. Boop BOOP BOOP boop it doesn't do boom boom boom. I'm going to tell you what you let her. Answer the question. What DOES IT DO ELLEN? Laughing Yellen serious yet to selves fate wrestling in our hands. Here what is it doing? It won't start. It does the second one component pom pom and then it will start yeah boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. Yeah no that's that's interesting. And how long does it have to be resting before it goes into this? I mean if you drive for I would describe to you a typical hour in the life of your car. And then you're gonNA fill in the blanks. Okay you got it you start out driving style first thing in the morning you turn the statue right up. You drive for a half an hour to some destination secret rendezvous during what time it is run beautifully so far so good. Who's The win? We'll get we'll get back it up. We'll stick with the off. You Return Five minutes later ten minutes later. That's a quick. You Return with ten minutes later and you turn the key. Okay am I and when you turn the key. The starter motor begins to crank the engine but it goes. Ooh Boom Boom but box doesn't turn smoothly Sounds like it's going to start now so it doesn't go. It doesn't go slowly. Yup Zero every proposal you have made so far. I mean take it. Hit everything that you've said so far. She has said Dole to give it up. Never not that is not the head gasket. No I need to believe that. Oh antifreeze are you using any antifreeze? No I didn't think he triple okay. Yes somebody a friend of mine told me this. Trust them when he looked at it was that and I'm not sure if this is the right term is that he said it was hot soaking and I should change the gasoline that I was using that worked for a little while a hot Tub. And you should do right. He was he was in the heat soaking. Have you toned up lately yeah? That's totally irrelevant. Song for time actually migrate when I did tune it up the The Spurs were very Black Bracken crunchy. You like this problem. I do like that by still. Don't with black and credit when you headed tuned up now. I'm going to guess that perhaps you choke is not opening all the way. Yeah I guess. If the Schroeck weren't opening then at some point you would end up flooding. It she was right. What did she say when she first called? I think it's flooded out the battery or the or the other star motor. We made the mistake of saying just a foul. Here's what you need to do. I don't know why it's flooding. I suspect that the choke is not opening all the way. And that's why it's running to rich. That's why it's difficult to start when it's hot. You may have what's called a percolation problem maybe the For whatever reason that the The what Yuma who uses the The carburetor is inventing properly to the CHARCOAL CANISTER. I guess you have ninety or one hundred thousand miles on this. Okay so you may need to have more more than just a tune-up would you need to do is take it to the mechanic that you go to downtown. Santa Cruz now does if you can make do this price if you if you can make do this and you should drive it take it to him. Shut it off. And say hey. Let's try to start this and you tell me what's wrong with it? I tried that one. Or you're more than once didn't work perfectly. Oh of course that's why you have to try it more but having just checked a choke after it's all warmed up that you've driven for half an hour drive into the shop and say just check the choke and make sure it is open all the way that would be the first step. Yes that's it know. She knows what it is. That's good you see that way. We'll at least have another week so you go check that and if it still doesn't work you can call us next week and we'll we'll come up with something new and different. I think it's flooding. I think so too. But that's what that's what Ellen said when she called if you if you remember. Yeah I know that well it took a while to come their way of thinking. Ellen thanks for calling. Bye-bye didn't help her at all one. Eight eight eight car talk or one. Eight eight eight two seven eight two five five. Hello you're on car talk in high. This is David calling from Bellingham Washington. Hey David what's going on well my friend and I We have a little disagreement. Get back from a day of skiing and we want to get. The car warmed up as quickly as possible now. One of US thinks that we should turn off all the assessories. Turn off the lights off the fan and just let the car run and the idea is that that will be saving energy and they'll be diverted to the engine and we'll get warm quickly the OLIVERAS. You WanNa warm the engine as quickly as Barlow. You WanNa want me inside of the Kara. The second is correct but we don't care about Engine Very Colin Cranky and we want to get work. Okay so you WANNA know. Will the inside of the car get warmer faster with all? These accessories turned off or turned on. That's correct. I want somebody wants to turn them on. And what accessories are we talking about lights? Well anything we can. Oh I see so. Your theory is if you're sucking a lot of juice that will require that. The engine works harder works hotter and therefore gets warmer faster. That's my take on. I'm with you Dave and sold brother. I mean unfortunately I think it's only gonNA help a tiny tiny tiny bit. That's right you know the engine is is is going along and how much is it slowdown and how much extra work is being asked to do when you turn on the lights and all that stuff not much not much considering that the engine primarily designed to move with three or four thousand or more pound vehicle so it's really siphoning off a tiny tiny fraction of its power to run all this stuff and as such it is going to make the thing warm up faster because as we know an engine it's under load run hotter than one that's sitting there idling so that means then that if you look up the fastest get in the car and start driving up hills. Fact drive up. The ski slopes but theoretically you're if you're if you want to go on a theoretical basis. Yeah you are right. Well I'll tell you that both of us now. One of us is an engineer and the other is absolutely a mathematician. Also who's mathematician you on the mathematician? And he's the engineer. Shame on him. I I told him to. What is he? Well he's an electrical engineer. Stayed on know Diddley. What he he should. This is exactly what he should know. He didn't power electrical engineering. So who does he work for? Don't forget Wayne No. We're not to tell a story when my wife and I were first married I was I was responsible for renting an apartment forest. She let you do that without seeing she was in New York you know and she was buying the dress and hiring the band and all that stuff find us an apartment in in our fair city Cambridge. So I I do in. This place was real bad but it was always could afford anyway. We will list the help of my dear friends of my brother to help paint the walls and ceilings and the people who had lived there before us were hippies and they had painted the walls black in the ceilings purple and the landlord said no matter. How many coats it takes. I'll buy the paint. Knuckleheads provide the Labor and we finally did so on Saturday afternoon. Ever others says hey guys want to help me. I got the paint. I got the role. Ism We all said sure pal and the day gets. Where's on. We finally get to the last room. Which is the deepest purple and imaginable? And what's hanging from? The ceiling is alight. But it isn't wired in one way. One pair of wires is attach and their two naked wires if you touch them together we'll make the light light up. There's no switch kind of light. That has a pull cord but we know the two wires coming out of the ceiling alive and now five guys who have gone to. Mit Three of intellect to two were electrical. Engineers debated this for about a half an hour whether or not it was one of those well just climbing a chair and hooked up the Suez all. I'M NOT GONNA go hook up those two as I'll get. I'll get electrocuted get electrocuted. Because you're only touching one wire and that doesn't mean anything and we say what if you jumped in the air while you were together and before you rip the whole fixture down from the ceiling? If you manage to make the connection would this work. So we debated and debated and meanwhile it's getting docker docker and the fellow who lived next door. Wayne who I don't think went beyond eighth. Grade comes walking over and he he introduces himself and he says what the Hell. Are you guys doing painting the dark? And Without Breaking Stride. He gets up in the chair. Grabs the wires twists them together like on he gets off. The chair walks away. There's a lesson to be learned there. We won't divulge the name of the other participants. Stanley's One all. We even had a mathematician. Oh Yeah we we had the whole there. It was pretty sad and they will all wrong. I think we're all chickens. But but Wayne was no theory. He just knew he was running by the thought process. Anyway all right. 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Advice on which Banks Give the Best Service (Hour 2)

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Advice on which Banks Give the Best Service (Hour 2)

"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions. Broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show data's, dawn, cash is king, and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW. How's the status symbol of choice? I'm Dave Ramsey, your host. You jump in. We'll talk about your life and your money. It's a free call. Triple eight eight to five five two two five. That's triple eight eight to five five two two five. A man dozen Danbury, Connecticut. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Amanda thank for taking my call. My pleasure. How can I help? And I just started baby step number two about two weeks ago, and we have a rental property that we do generate income from about nine hundred fifty dollars a month. But if we sell it, we know we can profit about sixty thousand dollars. We were wondering if we should hold onto it or if we should sell it. And how much debt do you have not counting your home's one hundred forty seven thousand dollars. So you get throw sixty at that and what's your household income to twenty-five? You got a great income. That's cool. So now that you're concentrating, you probably could not get out. All right. Well, here's the thing at the end of the story. That you're in the first few pages of the book. Okay. But at the end of the story, we would tell you to be a hundred percent that free houses, and everything you probably already heard that, right? That we're going to take you there. It may take you five years. It may take seven years. I don't know what you own your personal residents, but you got a great income, and you can plow through this. If you'll just stay on game. Okay. And that is your shortest path to wealth building. And then the only question is, do you want to end up with this rental at the end of that story? I, I personally like the rental because it generates income, we're making in some on every month. My, my husband goes back and forth with it. He he's leaning more towards selling it. So. Debt or because he doesn't like the rental. It's far away about an hour and a half from our house. And he wants to get out of debt quicker. Long distance landlord is tougher. It's tougher to be an efficient long distance landlord. I own a bond to real estate. I love real estate and having you at the end of your story, owning a paid for rental property. I love having a paid for rental property, an hour and a half away. Not so much, not that interested. Matter of fact, you didn't buy that as a rental property. It's rental property by default. It's something one of you got some other way wasn't it? We actually we did buy rental vacation rental. No, my husband just wanted to be a landlord about five years ago. And we got a really good deal on it and do that. An hour and a half away. No, we, we lived closer at the time. Okay. Okay. I'm gonna something changed, because it's just a logical people just don't get in the car and drive two hours. And then go buy rental. Just doesn't happen. Okay. All right. Cool. Well, here's the thing. What I would tell you. You're just starting your journey, why don't you? Let's put that decision on hold until all make up a date. Oct. And just work on your debt snowball real hard, and let's see how you're doing and see how you feel okay? Number one. It's an hour and a half away. I don't like that number on the con side of the equation. Number two, it's not making nine hundred and fifty dollars a month. It's grossing nine hundred fifty a month. But by the time you have vacancy and repairs. You don't net ten thousand dollars in the year netting. More like five or six so you're not making a ton of money on this. You're doing okay. But you're not like cleaning up. It would be an okay thing to own long-term, but it's not as great as it feels like when you look at the gross profits on it rentals, never are it's just part of the equation. But on the good side, you make a lot of money you're paying attention. You're both having an intelligent discussion. You're communicating about this. If you chose to hold onto it and plow through it. I think you could do it either way. In terms of I, I would be finally doing either way. I'm not sure you buy this house today if you had sixty thousand dollars sitting in the middle, you wouldn't make that as a down payment on a rental of this type an hour and a half away in the situation that you're in today. So I predict you'll probably salad in the fall and you'll by rentals later with cash after you get everything paid off. I think that might be where you go. But for now it's okay to just table it and let's see how this goes for a while as worked worked the plan. Good question. Thanks for calling in open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. Brett is in Denver. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Brett. Hi, Dave has a going better than I deserve. What's up? I got a question for you on where tithing fits within our budget. I am self-employed and my wife has a separate income. She is employed. So sea tides. And then typically typically I'll try to fanatic, what the numbers and come up with something that makes sense, the tight on. It's very important to us to ties we've really been blessed when once we started doing that. Are you doing the settled books on your business? No. If it's really something that I've only recently started take really serious. Let's let me stop you second way to answer the questions. I'll lead you to a different scripture, which says to be diligent to know the state of your flocks and herds, and you're not being diligent on running your business. Well, because you don't have an accounting system. So all you need to set up a separate checking account for your business. All of the income from business goes into that account. And nothing else goes into that account. Okay. The only thing that comes out of the business account are business expenses. Okay. So if income goes in and expenses, go out by definition, what's left in that account, your checkbook, register would become your profit and loss statement, what's left in there is your profit. So if you bring in ten thousand dollars on a job and you have eight thousand dollars in expenses, you have a net profit of two thousand dollars. You follow me on a particular job? I don't know what you do. But I'm just making this up, okay? Then if you're going to take money out of the company in air quotes, okay out of the company and bring it home. That's when you would pay taxes on it, and you should set aside, a fourth of any money, you pull out of the business account that you think is profits to bring home, and that's your tie the bowl amount. That's before taxes. So let's say you had that two thousand dollars in there. You're going to bring two thousand dollars home out of your business. Checking account you're going to tie on the two thousand dollars. You're gonna set five hundred dollars aside for taxes and write a two hundred dollar ties check on your gross before tax amount. That's what I've done for thirty seven years running this business. I would not pay taxes at my business account. No, you pay you withhold on yourself businesses, and taxable shouldn't be taxable should have an LLC assessor sober product ship. None of which are taxable. They all the taxes pass through to you. So set aside a fourth when you bring home money. And when I bring home, money set aside, my taxes wanna bring home money. That's tied is still in the business account, it might end up being expenses, and it's not tied the blower taxable. Then that's a technical answer. When we get too caught up in it. But that's technical tactical answer of how I go about it. 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You know, lots of people save eight nine hundred bucks a year, just by using any LP to shop among several different companies and get the best possible deal. Daveramsey dot com click. E. L P, click insurance for E L P endorsed local providers. Their insurance people in your area that are brokers, and they shop among many different companies. They're not a captive agent to one particular company, Julie's in Dayton, Ohio. Hi, Julie, welcome to the Dave. Ramsey show. I dare for taking my call. My pleasure. What's up? Okay. So I believe in your system, I'm working hard at it. I've listened to it for quite a long time. But, you know in phases you go in and out. But I'm back. Right. So I do pay for everything with a debit cards. I don't own anything except for my car in my house. And this is my dilemma. So I'm the gate when tire sometime soon. You know, five six seven years, who knows. But I'm a realtor so I'll probably work forever anyway. But regardless, I wanna be set up. I did work for AT and T for fifteen years. So I do have like two hundred thousand dollars in, in my, my IRA, and I do have security because by put my thirty five years in, you know what I'm saying, so, you know, the twenty three hundred max, of course they pick insurance out neck. So it gets down a little bit depending on the age. I get that. And then my I'd like to downscale to pay cash for our house. I went to them for a while probably eight years, and I hit it pretty big. I had about a hundred fifty sales there and kept that cash, but some in my IRA, and then paid cash or whatever dilemma, what's my as we bought a four hundred and fifteen thousand dollar house. And I put two twenty five down on it. Probably two hundred thousand I am person. Well, that's, that's the thing you can't pay it off. Overnight downscale now two hundred thousand dollars a year. You have a great house only oh two hundred thousand on it. You fifty fifty eight by the time you're sixty three have paid for. Okay. Yeah, I've been I've been worried about that. 'cause like. I love my house and my husband's older. But he's a great shape and everything and his income is guaranteed, 'cause he has the social security and union. I work very hard for it. Very, very young seventy seven. Okay. And when he does all this money does. Right. That's, that's right. Okay. That leaves you with three fifty and -sume no life insurance, correct. But I have the three fifty plus a another hundred plus my plus you make your household income's two hundred as long as lives. Okay. Right. But I also have my I have two rentals so anyway, in my house. What are they were together probably together about one hundred thousand okay, well, here's what I would do. I would work diligently to pay off your home and to end the both of you agree on that and say, okay, five years from today, he's gonna be eighty two you're going to be sixty three when he does think paid for if we do not. And he passes away, you may want to downsize. Well, and I can downsize one of my Reynolds because that was our home before we went to this home. Maybe not I don't care about that. But the point is, you may not you don't mean to be sitting on a big mortgage if all of his income leaves now. But you can always make that decision if he were to pass away, if he lives five years, and you live five years in the house is paid for your set. Right, right. Yeah. So let's not sell it today unless you just hate it. No, I do love it. I wanted to sell it. He doesn't want to live there. And he can live there as long as you live. Get to stay in the house is stay alive. I'm getting old, so old jokes are working for me these days, but. But I've been feeling bad about it because I wanted to make. I want you to pay it off. Okay. And I want, you quit spending money on a bunch of other stupid stuff, and you don't need another car. Get that car paid off. And then let's start then you. And he together go, okay, there's two hundred thousand here, five years. That's forty thousand bucks out of two hundred out of two hundred thousand you need to be doing that or more. If you fifty thousand a year, extra on the house out of your two hundred thousand that's years. The house is paid for. All right. That's a great way to look at it. By the way, I'll drive I drive a Jeep Cherokee. I know what you. I know what you then. You're fifty eight now pay it off pay it off. And don't you dare go buy something else on payments? Don't you? You haven't got time fall off the wagon again sister. You need a ride the wagon now route at all the way out. Okay. But that plan of work for you. You're doing good. You guys got a great income as long as he lives. So you know in you, if you get a pinch, you can always sell it later, and I'm going to stay there. And see if this works. Good question open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five eight is in Nashville. Hi, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi, dave. Big fan of the show. Thanks for having me on my pleasure. How can I help? Yes, there, I just graduated high school. Not actually from national from out Julia, but I went through your foundations and personal finance. Oh, the curriculum. Awesome. Yes, sir. I'm a big fan of that. A whole lot of stuff that high school students need to be hearing, and that, thank you, sir. Yes, sir. But I've some questions today about college. I'm going to be starting college in the fall, great where you're gonna originally. I had hoped to be going to liberty university four years. And that would have cost me about one hundred thirty thousand dollars right now. I have no income myself, I'm unemployed. But I'm getting a job in the next few weeks. All my income is from my parents, they both have annual income collected about a hundred forty thousand dollars. We're completely out of debt, we have paid off house no payments on any cars and right now they have saved up for me about a hundred and two thousand dollars. Now with scholarships. I could have done for years at liberty without loans without any student debt. But the thing I'm thinking about doing is taking two years for three on the Tennessee promise. That would save me about sixty thousand dollars. And then. Transferring back to liberty after those two years for an an additional three years. And that would set me up instead of just to be FASt, but with my master's as well, and my parents are letting me keep whatever's leftover from that fund after I'm done with college. What are you studying? I'm gonna be going into music. Okay. Good. A good place to study that and a masters what you'll need depending on what you're going to do in music, especially if you're going to teach so yeah, I, I love your plan. The only thing I want you to be very careful that your community college ours are accepted by liberty. Yes, sir, that each of the cart credits lineup with what you need for core curriculum to knock your first two years out. And so, make sure that, that the community colleges is connected. Exactly one for one trade off. And that you don't you don't you know, you don't need to be going even the classes free. You don't need to go take a class that liberty is not gonna accept towards your major. So just make sure that, that does and commute what he's talking about folks for the rest of your on the country's Tennessee. Currently has one hundred percent community college free. She can go first two years, free to community college in Tennessee. So it's excellent wonderful program. So, yeah, I definitely would do that. And I love the idea that you're, you're just you're lying in this up your thinking it through your parents are obviously debt free people. They're thinking through with you. You've got your field of study laid out, you know exactly what you're gonna do and how you're going to do it. And your way is for a guy your age Iraq in it. I'm proud of you very well done. I would do exactly what you laid out, thanks. This is the Dave Ramsey show. For joining us, America. We're glad you're here. Open phones. Triple eight eight to five five two two five question that comes from blinds dot com. They have a one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee means even if you miss measure, pick the wrong color, they will remake your blinds for free. You get free samples free shipping, new promos every month. You save even more. Use the promo code Ramsey to get the best possible deal. Today's question comes from Joe. In minnesota. What are your thoughts on a credit union versus a Bank? My wife and I recently, married, both currently use a Bank for our debit accounts. We've talked about switching to a credit union with our joint account. Are there any pros cons for either? The community Bank a small town are regional Bank or a good sized credit union, either one are just fine. What I would never use is a super super small, like a one person operation credit union, because they don't have enough features to do your banking. Well, with in most cases, be very unusual. But there are some very good very sophisticated credit unions. Most of them are, and I never would use a megabank never would use fifth third Bank of America Wells Fargo. I mean, I know why in the world anybody does business with them as beyond my magic nation, you're treated like a number there, crappy and everything they do. It's just awful, so no. I, I don't have any money with any of those things. So either one, you will find the community Bank in the credit union to not treat you like. A number. They will know you if you go in there physically, even if you just go in there once or twice she'll meet the, you know, the president of the Bank, or the credit union or the manager, the branch or whatever like in the old days when we did banking, he do wanna make sure they've got good online stuff because most of us do our banking online now. And so you wanna lay that all out. But yeah, I what I'm looking for here is just a level of service, and where they're not just so hell bent on shoving credit cards and Car Loans down your throat because as soon as you walk near a Bank, when you get home, there's, like four preapproved offers in your mailbox and they just I mean, it's like you're playing with snakes all the time, and you're just going to get bit if you're not careful so stay away from the big guys. And look for a little guy that has a good enough level of sophistication oftentimes credit unions by definition are not for profit and all. All that means is that the prophets that they make are ploughed back into services, increasing services or free services. So you'll often find things like free checking slightly higher interest rates at credit unions on your savings accounts, slightly lower interest rates. If you were to borrow money, which I don't tell you to do about you'll find credit unions, a little bit cheaper on a lot of things most of the time, even the good community Bank, but always cheaper than the big megabanks because they're, they're going to, you know, they have one goal in life at the megabanks that's take your money. That's their mission statement, take your money is much of it as they can get is what therefore it's they're very reason for existence. You can read their mission statement and it isn't serve the customer. It's maximize shareholder return, this take money, make a profit as much as they could possibly squeeze out of your head. So just don't do it. Now. The credit unions are, you know. Don't be fooled by the fact they're not for profit because everything that's not for profit makes a profit. Not for profit is an accounting entry. A not for profit, that doesn't make a profit closes. So charities, churches. Anything that runs as not for profit is an allusion at that is an IS designation. It all brings in more than it pays out, or it closes. Pretty simple. Okay. So there's nothing inherently holy about a not for profit versus a profit, so you don't get that card with credit union, but the banks all gripe. And they go it's not fair. They're not for profit, and they. Well, all you got lower your profits, and you can compete with them. Do you know it you know they've been provide services because they're not for profit. Well, they plow their profits back in so that they didn't make a profit and they gave extra services to the customer. You could do that as a commercial Bank. But, you know, your dad, gum focused on Milkin the cow all the time. So. You know, you just got to think this through that, all that to say, I'm ambivalent between credit union small town local Bank community Bank regional Bank anywhere in. There's fine with me as long as you can find somebody that gives you the proper services, and that gives you the conveniences and you can develop some kind of a relationship with I have a local banker here, that is a personal friend of mine that has had my personal checking account for almost thirty years. And she's a friend of my family, and when she changed banks awhile back. I opened accounts with the other Bank. I followed her. That's what you're looking for is that I have zero loyalty to stupid Bank. I lo t to her because when I'm out of town and something screwed up. She jumps on it fixes it right? This is what you're looking for is somebody actually gives a rip and doesn't treat you like a number. And that's just unheard of stuff, like Wells Fargo or chase or Bank of America fifth third. They don't know how to do that. So that's what you're looking for. Good question. Good question, Joe. Thanks for emailing that in Nicole's book with us in Milwaukee. Hi, nicole. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Dave. Thank you for taking my call. My, my question is my husband and I this year opened an HSA with his company and we're protein the threshold where you can begin investing it. And I was wondering one is that safe to do while we're in debt should we just contribute to it or should we invest it? And if we should invest it, how much I wouldn't put it in putting when your baby step two okay, there's no Nate you. You don't need to be putting money in your 4._0._1._K. And you don't need to be funding your HSA, the HSA covers only health insurance, the duck doubles. Medical costs is all it covers it won't fix a transmission on your car. And if you're in baby step two you don't even have a fully funded emergency fund yet. Right. And you need that, before you find your say, so really all the HSA is for you guys today. And when I started it was the same way for me was. You just you just using all it is hot inductive, lower premium health insurance plan later on you'll do the actual savings part. But I would only do that after you had maxed out other stuff. You know, I want you get into baby step four or five six before we start talking about putting money in that thing. Do we treat an HSA when we get to, you know, saving fifteen percent for retirement, the HSA count as part of that I wouldn't? Okay. Because it can't be, you know, the only way it gets used for retirement, if you don't spend on medical. Okay, the purpose of it is to pay medical bills. Now later on like when you get to step seven all the way out, and you're maxed out everything to keep the government's hands off of money. And you're putting everything into every retirement thing, you, can, you max out your HSA, then I actually have done that for many years, I've got, like two hundred and some thousand bucks my stupid HSA, because we'd never get sick knock on. And so I'll always done. Is it just as another account that's growing tax deferred? And it was a tax free or tax deferred entry into it. If I spend it on medical, it's tax free. And if I get the sixty five I can actually pull it out like it was a stinking IRA. So I'm just gonna I'm just loading the thing up because it keeps the government's hands off of that little bit of money every year I can put that much more in something else. That's another IRA for me. But that's after you get the baby steps seven after you've got your house paid off and everything else. And you're just trying to maximize tax benefits of different plans to keep the government's fans off of it. So you get to keep your own money weird. How much time? We spend trying to keep our own money. The weird world. We live in this is the Dave Ramsey show. Chris's in Nashville. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Chris begi protecting my day having a blast I am. My question is my wife and our own step. Three thank the Lord, and I'm kind of a planner. So we bought a, a home back in two thousand sixteen before we started the, the total money makeover and got a thirty year fixed. So I'm jumping a little head of myself here going into step six, and this is probably a stupid question day. But it would it be worth. Refinancing it to fifteen years, or paying extra principle, as if I was paying fifteen year mortgage has the exact same effect. Yeah. If you pay a fifteen like thirty thirty fifteen meaning calculate your fifteen year payment, principal and interest compare it to your principal, respondent on thirty the differences, two hundred fourteen dollars and thirty two cents or whatever the number is. I just made that up then you would take that amount and add that as extra principal payment every month, and you'll pay it off in exactly fifteen years. That. Yeah. And you don't go through the refinance cost to do that, to convert thirty to fifty the only reason you go through refinance causes, if you get your money back by a lower interest rate. Now, if you drop your interest rate, then we'll talk about refinancing. And while you're at it do a fifteen but in order to go from thirty to fifteen is your, your interest rate competitive. What is I mean, four point two five? You're saving, you know, saving fool wet. Right. That's about what rates are right now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much, upper, here's, here's what's going to happen. Okay. The reality is, when you get to baby step six, you're not trying to pay extra like a fifteen you're trying to pay extra like a seven right? You're just chunking money on this thing. And you're trying to knock the pay the whole stink in debt out. It's not a systematic thing to where you're doing actual fifteen. Now, if you want to. Convert to a fifteen you know, in your mind as your first step in baby step six, I'm stepping steps here. But you see what I'm saying while you're doing four five and six. If you wanted the first thing we're going to start paying fifteen we're going to put fifteen percent of our income away. We're gonna do kids college. And then when we get extra money were also gonna throw it at that, you know, that's fine. But the reality is, you're probably gonna pay off your home in seven years, if your typical of our listeners, okay, so let me okay, so if I understand you correctly, I can I can I can pay like, I'm like, I'm paying fifteen mortgage now while I'm going through those six put everything on onto that is that what you're saying when you're in baby steps four five and six what you're doing is fifteen percent of your income going into retirement by step four, right? Correct. Yes. Kids, call edge is five and extra money's going at the mortgage right now that can be extra money that looks like paying it off in seven years. I don't know why much extra. Money. We got right or how irregular your income is if you get, like a ten thousand dollar bonus at the end of the year, you're gonna chunk that on that mortgage, probably because you probably got your, you've probably got the kid's college going on rhythm. And you're just any extra money. So it's gonna end up being a little bit of hodgepodge. There's probably going to be very few months. You actually only pay it like it's thirty year mortgage. On you because the overflow past four five and six run simultaneous in the overflow overflowing past four and five is always dumping on six. Does that math? Make sense to you yet, third does. So you're, you're gonna wash right out man. You're doing great. You're gonna kill it. Congratulations. Levitt open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five. Thank you for joining us. Andrea says with us in New York. Hey Andres, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hey, Dave, thanks for taking my call. Sure. What's up? So my wife wants to start a business in a little bit hesitant about it, because they would pretty much eat up all our savings. Okay. Much saving you have. It's hundred forty K. Whoa. What kind of businesses she wanting to start daycare? Okay, does she have anything going in that area? Now. Well, she has a lot of experience. She's been doing that for about seven eight years for other people. Right. For other people why does it cost one hundred forty to open a daycare? Now it doesn't. That's just the amount that we have. And the they care that she wants to open up the location, would probably cost around sixty K to keep float. So it would be sixty can't expenses every month. Who would you not make more than you have an expensive, not? Of course. We, we might. But, you know, nothing certain I mean, this is after if we have eight kids, let's say because it can hold max a hundred then we can make, you know, twenty K a month profit. However, that's all if, if you get grown to that. Right. Right. Well, I'll tell you what we do around here, when we were on a business here, obviously, in, we launch a new project. It's kind of like yellow launching a new project there we try to take we try to take bite sizes, rather than gulps and what's scaring you is, this is a goal p-. I'm gonna find a way to cut this up a little smaller and start this thing, little smaller, and grow it, even if I have to move it started at cheaper smaller building that I rent, and don't spend a bunch of money on and get thirty kids or fifty kids, and then I might move it and try to get to one hundred but to start ground zero up to a hundred. Right. I don't think so. Right. That's I mean, originally this money was supposed to be for a house, but. Well, I mean I'm okay if you as a couple if you decide to open a business instead of a house, that's fine. But the only reason you would do that as if it made, you more money. Right. Right. And the only way you're gonna know that if you do some trial and error, because there's three rules of business everything cost twice as much as you think takes twice as long as you think, and you're not the exception. Those are the three rules and what she's looking at is only the fully loaded daycare, the full upside potential of this. She's not looking at all the downside the time that the coats inspector came in, and it costs you an extra thirty days to get open because you're screwing around with bathrooms, you know, and that's, that's the reality of opening something right? And so take your time start smaller, and let's, let's what's what we call proofed, text it, which means put this in the marketplace as a smaller project and prove that the marketplace is going to respond, and let's get that profitable. And then we'll grow. Let's walk before we run. This is like signing up for a full marathon. And you never run around the block. Right. Right. And that's what's scaring you. And that's wisdom on your part. It's not you're trying to kill her dreams. I'm not trying to kill our dreams. I wanted to do it just wanted to do it more incrementally. Which lowers her risk substantially and your risks substantially. But if she can make this profitable and can make twenty thousand bucks a month. That's two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year dang, dang. We wanna do this, right. Definitely, I just, you know, I'm just if just doubtful that that's going to be as easy as it sounds. Yeah, you're right. It's not just aren't whether it's gonna be eight screaming kids, this nothing easy about this. Good. Lord shoot me. Lord bless people who wanted to stuff like that. I'm just thankful. She's on this planet because I ain't doing it. Oh my gosh. Oh, yeah. To take an incremental baby steps, and that will give you wisdom to do it, make it make money. And then make it make the you can plow all the profits back in easier than in clean out your savings. Every profit dollar can use to grow the business. There's nothing wrong with that. I've, I've put a large number of our profits back into this business every year, growing expanding adding team members and ING whole new product lines in all of that was just profit. We just dumped it right back in. We didn't take it all home and eat it. You know. And so you can do that with this thing you don't have to take it all home. So I think you're right to be hesitant on the big gulp. Let's not do the big gulp. Let's do the small bite, and that's how we do it around here. And that's really good business acumen. As a matter of fact, hang on. I'm gonna send her a copy of Christie rights book business boot teak whipping women to make money doing what they love the whole business moat movement around Christie is absolutely amazing. Oh, hey, Madison Astor if she wants to come to Nashville to the business boutique event in the fall, we'll give her a ticket to. Okay. All right. That puts this hour of the Dave Ramsey show in the books. Jack and Madison filling in for James and Kelly who are both not working this week. Abused them to know in while they're here, I'm used them when they're here. So there we go. Hey that puts this hour in the books. 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179: Feedback Friday | How to Really Help a Hoarder

"Welcome to feedback Friday. I'm your host Jordan harbinger. I'm here with producer Jason Filipo here on the Jordan harbinger show. We love having conversations with our fascinating guests and this week. We had beau lotto talking about perception and how our brains create useful illustrations, like our senses and other things that we think are real. But are not and we had Michelle later men talking about types of networks connectors and the spectrum of superconductors, and of course, how we can become a better connector ourselves. I also write every so often on the blog the latest post is about how to stop blaming other people we go deep, it's a great topic. And the solution might surprise you because it's not just simple accountability and taking responsibility for ourselves. There's a lot of good takeaways in that one as well. So make sure you have a look and listen to all of that. They're the articles, of course are on the website at Jordan. Harbinger dot com slash articles. Of course, our primary mission is to pass along our guests and our experiences and insights along to you. In other words, the real purpose of the show is to have. Conversations directly with you. And that's what we're gonna do today here on feedback. Friday, you can reach us Friday at Jordan, harbinger dot com. Try to keep them concise. If you can it really increases the chance your question, we'll get answered on the air. So since we did the Clinton watts show. I've been getting bombarded on Twitter by Russian troll Botts and people actual people. Not just about I think not just bought. Yeah. They're real people, and I asked Clinton about this. And he said, yeah, they're real people. They're just not who they say they are. And and you look at the profiles. And a lot of them are like hashtag hands off than Suada sovereignty hashtag freedom, and you're like freedom from but not from oppressive dictators that kill their own people and starve their own people, you know, freedom from foreign intervention from the pesky imperialist United States and a pig dogs. Yeah. And it'll be like just a Russian living in London in them. Like just a Russian living in Moscow more likely or up at four o'clock in the morning routinely. Yeah, it was the internet research. For those guys. Yeah. And there's just tons, and they it's weird because you can it's really amateur sort of manipulation where and they don't care. They're just trying to convince dumb people, but they were like oh Jordan had Clinton on the show. Therefore, Jordan is a racist because Clinton hates Russians therefore since Jordan's races. That must mean, he's a Nazi. So they're all like your Nazi. And I'm just like a short throw to Hitler. Yeah. It was just like they just jump right to it. And I'm just like this is really dumb, and they're like, I'm reporting you for bigotry, and I got an Email from Twitter. That was like don't worry. We're ignoring all this bullshit. Okay. It would be nice. If you could get an IP address for every tweet it really would. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was really funny that Twitter sent me a note that was like, hey, I know you're getting your account reported. But we don't care. It's you're not doing anything wrong. And this is par for the course from these people. So like, they're they're totally aware of this. Yeah. Probably in part because a Clint. Yeah. It probably yeah. Yeah. I noticed one of the people that tweeted at me that was really the most like one of the. Original sort of aggressive people. She had ninety eight thousand tweets, but she had joined in January twenty sixteen that's a lot. So doing the math, and I'm getting the I'm going off memory here. But doing the math she had something like her. She had tweeted like every eight to ten minutes since joining Twitter. Yeah. That's twenty four cents up. Yeah. Twenty four and I was just like, hey, this seems fake. You've tweeted ninety thousand times she's like seems fake. That's ridiculous. You're being your Nazi? It was just like. And I thought there's no way this is one person controlling this. It's gotta be an army of people that they see a tweet come in, and it pops up in their custom software as needing a reply and then the versa vailable internet warfare person in the Moscow station hits a reply. Yeah. Just bounces around between terminals xactly whoever's whoever's up next gets the gets the tweet. Exactly. Yeah. So interesting such an interesting phenomena, and then they gave up after a while because I took Clinton's advice and dislike didn't gauge much don't feed the trolls, man. Bill, the trolls, they got bored, and they probably went onto something else. And we're back in L A doing stuff in person. It's going to be a fun week. I'm here for the week, which is always fun. And I'm we're here at shade. Jason as right back into hood back in crib? That's right. That's right shade. Jason do shows doing shows put my candid co dot com slash Jordan liners on your brand new desk. Appreciate that. Thanks for swapping spit at. No, well, I don't think we've really swapped spent swapped it with my furniture. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Just to be clear your people. Anyway, we've got some fun ones. We've got some doozy's as always I cannot wait to dive into this. Jason. What's the first thing out of the mailbag high Jordan crew, I'm in my late thirties? And since I was twelve both of my parents have been hoarders. My dad was a firefighter in fire marshal. He used to collect model and Hot Wheels cars, which are now piled floor-to-ceiling in the basement. Well, my mom and ex school teacher saves every newspaper she's ever seen and saved most of my clothes and everything else since I was born she cleans her recyclables incessantly. And even tears up paper by hand into microscope pieces to compost, which is a new development over the last year. In addition, we've had many deaths in the family over the last few years, and she's accumulated, their papers and useless things to the newspapers are piled up all over the house up over the windows and some places in our legitimately blocking exits she's filled up every room upstairs with junk to the point that you can't open the doors. I once bag seventy bags of newspapers when I was younger, and she wouldn't let me take them away before she looked through them all so I put them in the garage thinking, it would be a motivator, and she would get rid of them. Of course, they filled that up to she hasn't slept in their bed in years because she covered it up in sleeps in a reclining chair in the den downstairs. My dad has had three hip replacements about fifteen years ago and has been addicted to Oxycontin ever since it's led to massive pain depression in him sleeping, most of the time in a bed in the living room. He has trouble walking using a Walker to get around. There isn't enough room in the house to use it because of all the piles which he constantly knocks over. He still has his credit card vice tons of coins from the Danbury mint in similar places, nonstop my mom complains, but won't take his car away. The coins aren't even worth the money. He pays for them. I'm going to be left dealing with these thousands of dollars of Hot Wheels cars shells, and Roxie collected over the years. I'm worried for the weight despairs on the house and their safety because if something would happen, they wouldn't make it out in time. I brought this up and tried bringing my mom to a psychologist years ago, but she played controlling mind games and refuse to go back because they recommended OCD meds. My brother bought her to his psychologist for his own issues. But she wouldn't never mention this to me, I've tried to clean the house with her knowing and behind her back, but it costs so much stress in consume so much of my time. It wasn't worth it. When I was in my teens. I cleaned out. All of the garbage in the kitchen. It was excited to have her come back to clean house. She basically ignored me for days because she was so angry and obsessed over what I got rid of. She's okay with me taking my father's things out. But she's still so controlling an overbearing about everything. It's not worth the effort of her passive aggressive. I mean, behavior and mind games, as you could imagine is a constant worry and turning into a serious issue as my father's health declines and the combustibles pile up. I would appreciate any advice. You can give buried under my parents issues. Wow. It's serious business. I mean, it's it's really sad. I've seen that show hoarders of as have we all and that I feel probably oversimplifies the problem. They almost turned it into like a cleaning problem. Yeah. And it's not a cleaning problem. It's it's really a serious mental disorder. This obviously is a legit hoarding. I actually googled how to tell if you're a hoarder, and there's a picture rating scale one through nine, and it's like what is your room? Look like, what is your kitchen away? What is your living room? Look like, oh, wow. And anything above for his hoarder status. And let me just say a lot of people that you don't think are hoarders. According to this are absolutely hoarders, including every teenager pretty much. Yeah. With all their piles of t shirts on the floor. Yeah. It's it's it's almost like. A little bit skewed in one direction, but hoarders, feel safe and comfortable with their attachment things. That's what that's what this really is. It's an OCD related issue. That's why your mom didn't want to go back because she was probably being told some uncomfortable truths. And at this point in their age. There's just not much you can do here unless they're willing to get help for this. And it sounds like they're not willing to get help for this. I mean, the fact that your mom is sleeping in a recliner cat. It sounds so uncomfortable. Yeah. I mean, I've been in a lazy boy before and fell asleep or had a couple of beers too. Many asked out and your back is killing you the next day. So what this tells me is that they're aware that this is causing problems, it is causing them, physical pain almost for sure. But they're not able to control the compulsion to collect things in pack up stuff. So it's not just like, well, this is a really negative habit. I mean by the time, you're spending time sleeping in the living room on a chair your long past the whole ability. To rationalize that this is normal behavior. They know that something's wrong, and it's important to encourage them to seek professional help. The earlier a person seeks help with something like hoarding, the more successful the treatment tends to be now that said it sounds like we're we're in loss caused territory here. Some people believe hoarding tendencies are related to inherited brain patterns. So keep an eye out for this and other people that you're related to they're often related to anxiety OCD for some hoarding begins following a significant trauma event as well. So there might be something in the past year. I was surprised to hear that one in fifty Americans actually have some form of of this in only fifteen percent of that seek professional help. That's crazy. So here's some do's and don'ts when it comes to helping a hoarder so first of all in Yardley tried this don't remove things from their home without consent. It seems like, hey, look, if we just clean everything up while they're on vacation, they'll be better off. But it doesn't address the extreme emotional distress caused by the idea of losing valuable or important items. It really. Just it causes more anxiety throwing things away getting rid of them without their permission. This is not a long-term plan. They're going to revert back to their old behavior and on top of that they're going to be upset with you. I mean, you saw this with your mom, and this then this damages your relationship which damages your ability to encourage her to seek professional help. Also, don't enable the behavior it doesn't sound like you're doing that. But a lot of people when it comes to hoarding, they're like, well, my mother, and I bond over going to yard sales and her buying trauma full of you know, that that happens don't clean up after them sounds like in this case, it's not even possible and don't expect the cleaning process where the healing process if it does begin to happen overnight. It takes a long time for hoarders to get to the point of having a house that is literally unsafe, and I feel for you. I mean, you're imagining your house going up in flames with your parents inside it. It is sad. It is sad. But you cannot force them to do is what you should do is encourage them to seek professional help. You can't force people to do that against their will as you know, but you can find them resources and make them. Available. Take the time to learn about hoarding, the TV show thing is kind of like the pop culture version. It's not a it's not a correct picture of hoarding, and how to help orders you need credible. Sources like mayo clinic National Alliance on mental illness American depression and anxiety association of America, we can link to some of those in the show notes do help them if they ask for help during or after receiving professional treatment a lot of times hoarders want assistance. You can call one eight hundred got junk they're great for this. My my friend who's been on the show, Brian Scudamore more. He started that company. They see this stuff all the time. He said and do listen to them. I I know it's hard not to judge them. I know it's tough not to be like you have asthma or you have a problem in your hoarding, and you're making it worse. What the hell they know that you know, they know they just can't stop the compulsion. And do recognize even little bits of positive change. Hoarding doesn't happen overnight. So it doesn't get solved overnight. And so if they're trying to take small baby steps being courage. Ing your supports. Be instrumental in getting a hoarder sort of on track. But there's not a whole quick solution to this. Unfortunately, best of luck with this one. I can see how this would be frustrating and worrisome. It is a bizarre sickness that develops over time and starts out innocently enough. Right. I like matchbox cars that dot why do you have eleven thousand of the same one. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely, especially if this has happened is whole life. I mean, it's got to be tough. It's going to be tough. And I can see how it's unsafe. Like, you have hey of eight thousand copies of the same newspaper and they're on the garage. It's a tinderbox. Yeah. That stuff doesn't get less flammable. Overtime. Right. Exactly. So keep us posted on this. What's next? Dear j cubed. I'm currently an internal medicine resident at a big City University hospital throughout residency I've dealt with a negative perception that I don't care or I'm not enthusiastic about my job. I'm a strong critical thinker team leader from loving and playing football. I'm also someone who many consider a nontraditional individual where I enjoy. A lot of life hobbies and interests outside of clinical medicine. I partake in many leadership innovation and quality and process. Improvement groups have had great success. I look towards having a career mixed with clinical and innovative work in consulting informatics and design. They will propel me towards future leadership roles. You can some me up by saying medicine as part of my life, but not my whole life. I don't currently jive with the current workplace workflow where individuals are lauded for faking it until you make it in by just being extra. My approach is to take a step back in learn before jumping into action while I try to stay cool, calm and collected. My peers seemed to run around frantically which really makes for a stressful workplace environment. Unfortunately, I've received feedback that it looks like I'm disinterested. Because I appear so reserved for example, I've been told that my bosses feel like my resting heart rate is sixty while there's his one ten this doesn't mean, I don't take things. Seriously, misjudged critical situations. I just focus on tackling situations in a cool and collected manner. Fortunately, this has been noted and. Applauded by medical students who rotate under me, I've sought advice from other mentors at my hospital, especially those whom I've worked with and they say that my personality is great, and I do strong work as a physician, so they don't think I need to change who I am yet. This has caused peers who don't like me to make up multiple unprofessional high school drama s comments a right evaluations. That have raised red flags to my program director who can't separate the subjective data. I don't feel supported or even accepted it really caused me a lot of moral injury and burn out which I've been surviving with therapy support from peers, innovative work, friends and family, I only have three months left. But is there anything I can do about this? Now, how do I curb negative press in perception in the future? Best of luck and continued success with the show signed column under pressure. So the first thing that stands out is the sentence. Disinterested. Because I appear reserved. It sounds like code for not doing anything. I don't know about that. Because I tell you what you know, medical situation. I kind want the comb guy. Yeah. It was like the, you know, like looks like he knows what he's doing. And remember, they the old miss atrributed. Abe Lincoln quote. He's like if you give me five hours to cut down a tree, I'm gonna sharpen my axe for four hours and then cut for an hour. I want somebody who is common. Reserve isn't gonna make everybody panic. So I think this is a good trait personally. Yeah. I agree. I definitely don't want. The doctor's like, oh my God that looks awful. We do that. How do we plug that whole? Yeah. It could be maybe stepping back too much in. There is perhaps your peers feel like there's more that you could be doing to help or contribute to the team. Maybes quiet. I I don't know there's just not enough infiltrate because it all sounds like very positive traits for someone working in a hospital or emergency environment where there are curve balls and unexpected situations left and right. And I think this trait combined with action would be looked upon positively. So I I'm not sure what I suspect in this is just a hunch. I've no data here because there's nothing in the letter about this. I encourage you to dig a little bit deeper because you might be calm and reserved, and maybe that's what's happening here, or perhaps, that's a scapegoat behavior for something else. And people just don't like you for some other reason, you know, maybe they're afraid to to put that reason in the paperwork like, oh, we don't like this guy. He's a third, you know. And he's a know it all jackass like, maybe no one wants to say that. So. They're like, oh, he's a doesn't help out his peers. And then when you give when you ask for clarifications, they're like, oh, yeah. You seem like you're not really contributing. They're just looking around at each other. Like does he not know that everyone wants to punch him in the face? And we don't really know has anyone else said anything to you like, maybe you're not super well liked in the unit or something. I suspect there's something else going on here. We're not getting all the information. Because even you don't have all the information. So I would find some people you trust and ask them what's really going on and just be unfiltered book. Don't put it in writing. Just tell me people not like me, what's the deal. And if they're like, oh, well, you know, you keep talking about how your dad, but you this Ferrari, and everyone thinks you're a dickhead like who knows who knows what's going on. I I don't think you're really doing anything that bad, obviously. But you never know you could rub one or two people the wrong way. And they decide they've got it out for you. Or maybe everyone goes and hangs out after work, and you don't because you don't like them. And they've decided you're the odd man out who knows man. He says he's got a lot of interest outside of medicine sago, you know. Yeah. Like, they're dedicated. That's all they wanna do. They just go home. Get get all together. Get drinks and watch ER rerun. Yes. To become that person. And he's just like I'm gonna go play botchy ball with my buddies. Yeah. Maybe they resent you for that. Like, you don't know at the end of the day, if you don't figure it out, and you can't get any further details than screw it. If it's not actionable feedback at some point. It's just like whatever. But I wouldn't I wouldn't stop trying to figure out what it is. Because it's gonna affect your career. But at some point, you just can't do anything about it. This is feedback Friday. We'll be right back after this. This episode is sponsored in part by better help. Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from shaving your goals? Of course, there probably is unless you're super happy and achieved all your goals, by the way, we can all use a little help better. Help online counseling is there. Few in a lot of you have been using this. I actually give it a shot Jason to use this forget, Yep. I've been talking to my doctor all the time to go over some of my issues, and it's really helping me out. I've been doing we text a little bit. And then we've done a couple of phone calls. I haven't gone down the video yet because I've got a face for radio what's causing anxiety. She's jason. 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It really helps us out and helps build the show family. If you want some tips on how to do that just head on over to Jordan. Harbinger dot com slash subscribe. Now, let's hear some more of your questions here on feedback Friday. All right next up. Hey, guys. How do you respond to the small talk question? How's business when an old neighbor or acquaintance easy for the first time in a while? And that's what they open with. I don't wanna seem annoyed. But is this the best? They have to offer. What do you say? It's great. When it's really like Dow Jones up down up down down up down depending on the day, or do you tell them that you're struggling due to the real life forces of competition, mental fatigue and loss of passion? I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer, or if being brutally honest and saying, you know, I really hate that question because dot dot up is the correct response. Thank you signed not a fan of chat. All right. Well, I'm also not a fan of chitchat. I think the intention from people is to show curiosity and to be polite though. So I get that. If it's not someone you care to be close with something. Like oh businesses. Great definitely had some challenges. Like everyone else. How about yourself? Just just reflect it back to them that keeps it vague. It doesn't open the door for anything else. I to find some. Mm small talk questions. Annoying. Repetitive. But I also realize that they're being asked because people are at a loss for what to do here. Otherwise. So if you don't like small talk take a page from the chase us, Jordan, harbinger corporate training in what we're doing here is for executive protection people, aka bodyguards. Nope. We don't use that word in the industry. We don't use that word you so fence, we're training Facebook team Microsoft's teams about a specific as I can get there at some other Silicon Valley titans, but we have a conversation formula, and I'll get into that detail later on. But basically if someone puts in some input like says, hey, how's business you can give to little bits of feedback? And then close it down and the way that you do that, you know, they might say how's business, and you might say it's good had some challenges. Like everyone else looking forward to some of the initiatives. We have coming next year. What about yourself and you reflected back or if you want you can cut it after one input one reply. It's. Little bit terse, though, it's great like everyone else, or it's great had some challenges like everyone else, and then you can reflect it back to them that will really cut the conversation down the more input. You put in the more likely. They are to continue that threat so one input as a reply is generally going to cut conversation short because it requires and forces the other person, the other party to put energy in and it gets exhausting, but they will eventually stop trying to engage with you because you'll see really boring and an energy drain. So be careful with it. That's why I recommend to replies. That would sound like it's great. We've had some challenges ups and downs. Like everyone else looking forward to next quarter or next year. How about yourself that way? It seems a little more friendly and anything beyond to now you're in a deeper conversation. That's the conversation curve, and we can get to that later on in another episode of people are really curious about it. But it's something would do during corporate training. So it might be a little bit of a time suck here. All right. What's next? Hello. To the Jays. I'm gonna crossroads. In my career. I've been successful in an office job for years and decided to take a life change since doing this. It's been difficult to keep a job and keep on track. Successfully I've recently applied to become a police officer. It's an interesting turn of career, and I've passed the most difficult part, which is the fitness test in. I'm waiting on the psych part to come back before the next stage. I have a young family and would have to make a big move to make this new career work. My dilemma is. Although I would consider myself a fairly well adjusted human being I've never had to deal with any real trauma or violence in my life. And I'm worried that I would feel overwhelmed or burn out too quickly being a police officer. I want to help people and feel that this could be a way to do that. But I'm worried that I might be throwing myself into the deep end, should I be worried or should I jump in and make the most of what could be a rewarding career change regards. Why Cup of Kappa? Nice. Well, congrats on the big career change, assuming that you get hired and complete the police academy. Then your concern actually is quite. Well, founded the Los Angeles port police just had a senior officer commits suicide, unfortunately, and another officer friend of mine is also on the edge of being burned out himself. My advice would be to do ride alongs with departments. See what the job is in the area that you wanna work and also find it apartment that has a culture that you'd like bigger departments mean. More diverse jobs, so canine dope, homicide, air, support, etc. So it's easier to move around. And maybe not get burned out, by the way. I got this advice directly from a police officer. I'm not just making this up. So that you guys know I'm not talking on the wrong end here ultimately unit understand that no matter where you work you will have to deal with trauma, burn out. There's a host of other issues that always come up in my advice is to have friends outside the job. A lot of cops will only hang out with other cops. They go to cop bars, they got cops in their family. You just can't get away from it. Right. I've seen blue bloods. I know what's going out. Okay. I haven't. So I'm on. Behind the curve, yell Sep to have some good hobbies and preferably not like video games where you're a cop or bowling with cops. You know, you can do that. But like have something that's not that. Remember, it's only a job. I know it's a very serious job. But it's only a job talk to a therapist when you need to and talked with their episode before you think you need to absolutely if it's in the back of your head like someday, I should talk about that. That's when you should go. Not when you're like, yeah. I'm constantly drinking five nights a week. And you know, taking three different types of pills. That's too late. I will say it's already good that you're considering what happens when I burn out. What are these things going to do on the job? How are they going to affect me? It's better to do that than to think, you're invincible. And I got this advice from a lot of cops look realize that this is going to affect you. And it doesn't make you not tough. It doesn't mean the job doesn't suit. You doesn't mean? It's a tough job. That's what it means. And every cop goes through this. There's no such thing as a person who's immune to this except for people. Who are extremely dysfunctional in their real life and probably have other things going on. And that that, you know, like the cops that turned into the crazy ones. Yeah. Over the years. I've known a lot of police officers some were friends somewhere not for him. But the thing about it is everybody is traumatized the first couple of years on the job and a lot of people just leave. They they can't take it. But he's thinking about this now, which I think is actually a really good thing for sure he's going to see some stuff that's going to mess him up. There's no two ways about it. And even if he works in Mayberry, you know, he's going to see some stuff that's going to mess him up. And he's going to have to have the tools ready to deal with that kind of thing. That's right. Even even Mayberry PD got shot at I saw those that Ruth. He had you know, Barney fife had his one bullet it's round special. Thanks to officer Timothy della penna for the help on this one as well as the other guys that contributed to this one it it's not an easy job. Man. Somebody's gotta do it. I don't think I could do it. I would I would do it. And then I would turn into a bad person. Because I'm I get affected by that. I would be the person who's like pick up that skateboard. Oh, yeah. What you're not gonna look me. And I wanted to do that carrying any dope. Like, I would turn into like a crazy aggressive guy. You'd be the bad Lieutenant. I would be the bad Lieutenant for sure. Yeah. Alright. Be like, you know, we don't get paid enough for this. Give me that. Gimme a dope. I I know where I can sense this. I I'd like to say that I wouldn't. But there's no way I would stay like, I I my brain does not work that way. What's good that you're self aware enough to to know that and to stay out of that? I mean, I don't think I would turn into a blatant criminal. But I would definitely skirt the rules a bit. You don't need that dope. You're going to prison who's going to rest me. I'm the Kappa. Yeah. That's right. I'm taking this home and making sure it's real real dope. Yeah. We'll be right back with more feedback Friday right after this. This episode is sponsored in part by brother. It happens to the best of us right before big deadline or just when you're printing handouts. For key presentation. The printer runs out of ink tired of the frequent expense and hassle of replacing ink cartridges with an internal Inc. Storage tank? 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Supporting the show, your support of our advertisers is what keeps us on the air to learn more and get links to all the great discounts. You just heard visit Jordan, harbinger dot com slash deals. Now back to the show for the conclusion of feedback Friday live from garage in Los Angeles. All right next up. Hey, triple J's, I'm in over fifty five women with disabilities in a US citizen living in California. I'm currently a poster child for you're not digging the well before I need it. But is it really too late for me? I'm an inside sales professional. I was trying to get settled into my last job when I had an injury that snowballed after several surgeries. I lost my job and found myself put out to pasture on disability. I don't have family in work friends disappeared during my convalescence, leaving the variously galleries of my dilemma side, it's too late for lawyers, and this is the real world after several years of recovery. I want to reconnect. But of course, the whole world has changed. I'm no longer viewed as skilled I'm only viewed as old I tried going to temp agencies, and this isn't the easy in especially with an old resume. I thought I could volunteer events for companies only to find after I'd worked for free that they only mentor and hire young people. I was viewed as a joke time for creative thinking, I see companies who'd benefit from my input and. Like to offer to consult with them. I feel my age inexperience will be seen as an asset. My pitch. I'm already familiar with billing and specifying the scope of work and revisions in a contract. I'd like your input with a how do I frame my request without giving my solutions away in be how to set my fee within the L A business market. Sincerely, beaten is for eggs. Well, you should not be discouraged by volunteering for free. I know that you're probably in your mind too old to do this. And that's an intern thing to do. But you did not dig the well before you get thirsty. So you don't have a whole lot of leverage here. A good way to get a leg in with those companies that you have in mind is to offer free consulting. I and you don't say, hey, I want to consult for free, but you can try to sell the gig. And they have nothing to lose by trying it out. Well, you can also do is pitch it as I want to do this as a free engagement, but I wanna get recommendations. And I'll go over that in a minute. If you do a good job with one company the relationships that you form there the experience that you get the referrals that. Come from that that'll be worth it. So it'll be worth you'll be compensated in that way. And I would use what's called the briefcase technique. They still need you to implement things if your solutions are so simple that just a few sentences give away all the value. Then there's not enough value there. So I know you're worried about giving away your ideas, your ideas, are probably not that valuable. And I know that that sounds mean, but the truth is if you're a consultant in all, I need are your ideas. They're guaranteed to be written about somewhere else, or I can get them from ten minute conversation or Email. There's not enough value in there for me to hire. You there really isn't. I need people who are going to implement. I need people who are going to be able to set up the systems. So show what you'll do make projections about the value that you'll bring and set fees. You know, look ask for what you need. If you come in a little bit, low fine. Just tell them you're coming in low, but you're looking to build a referral base in a testimonial base. So you'll ask for testimonials and. Letter of recommendation after the engagement, and you get them to agree to that upfront. So that afterwards, you're not like, hey, can you send this letter of recommendation? I don't know that's your compensation. They have to get that to you. Right. They can't dilly dally. It's considered part of the engagement this way. It makes sense your fees are lower, and you don't look desperate. Look, I'm charging you less. But I want you to write a letter recommendation. I want you to be I want to be able to drop your name, and my marketing that kind of thing it's a trade off that way, it's not a trade of services or barter. It's a trade off and you'll get referrals. You'll get testimonials. You'll get marketing materials from the engagement. Now, the briefcase technique is really good. It's amazing. It's probably gotten more people hired by me than any other set of tactics. Individually that I can point to I'm also going to link to video from my friend Ramiz safety about this technique. It's an older post from his website. But the info there is still amazing. And that'll be linked in the show notes as well tax season is right around the corner. We've actually gotten a lot of questions about tax planning. Financial stuff. I can't give advice in that area. But I thought it prudent to bring on one of our sponsors, which is into it. And they make great products for this actually started off using turbo tax QuickBooks, a bunch of the stuff that those guys have made over the years has been super helpful not just for the small business elements, but for the personal element. So we got a we got a little got a little tape here with Jake from into it. We're speaking with Jake Whitman from into it makers of turbo tax QuickBooks mint and turbo to give us some tips for tackling debt taxes and finances, but Jake I I was shocked actually to hear some of the statistics that you guys have on offer here. I didn't realize that a huge number of families literally can't handle a four hundred dollar emergency. Like, that's that's a little terrifying. Because up here in Silicon Valley and some of my entrepreneur friends like that's a sushi dinner, not a family crisis. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of it's it's shocking in a bad way. Yeah. I mean, these are some of the macro problems that we you know, that are super important to talk about their very real statistics about how many people are really struggling with their finances in one way or another. You're worried about your next four hundred dollars because you got to pay for a medical emergency in somebody else's wondering where to go for dinner for twice that amount of money with their family for a special occasion, you're going to have different ideas about how things should be managed. And I know that of course, the American dream is achieving prosperity for yourself or your family. Tell me a little bit about the business stat that half of small businesses fail in their first few years 'cause I hear that a lot and yet, you know, being surrounded by entrepreneurs all the time we have a survivorship bias where we're only hearing from successful people. Most of the time. There's no doubt starting a business is hard. And it takes a lot of hard work in a why grit and determination to be successful in, you know, a lot of people I think do come into it with a highs of mindset night, and they get into it in. It's. It's a challenge. And so, you know, a lot of what we try and do it into it is help those people succeed. One of our core beliefs is that you know, everybody should have the financial tools that they need to start running a successful business in. So that is the core of of so much of what we believe in his accompanying what we're trying to do with our products. I know that we live in a nation that is famously debt heavy and finances are top of mind for a lot of listeners business owners not because taxis in is in full swing. So I would love it if you'd speak to that a little bit because I I was raised, you know, pay off your credit card Bill and don't carry any debt other than student loans pretty much in a mortgage. If that tell us what you are seeing at into it because you have obviously you have a unique look a lot of people's personal finances. First of all shirt, so one of the set of stats that we look at it as the average debt persists in more than fifty nine thousand dollars. So, you know, there are a lot of people who are living in data around the world. You talked a little bit. Earlier about people living paycheck to paycheck over seventy percent of Americans actually are living paycheck to paycheck. You know? We have this between a four hundred dollar in thousand dollars emergency more than sixty percent people can access thousand dollars in the case of an emergency. And so, you know, you're right. These are it's very different than living in Silicon Valley. I think there are a lot of people out there who are trying to figure out how to maximize their financial. So that they can live the life. They want. You know, we talk a lot. You can tell you mentioned the word prosperity earlier at into it. Our mission is power prosperity around the world, and we talked to so many people small business owners entre preneurs, people working hard to buy their lives. You know, we find is prosperity means different things to different people at it's not a consistent thing, which is part of the beauty of the mission. Because really what we hear is universally means being able to live the life, you want whatever that means for you. So what about for entrepreneurs and small businesses? I mean, look you're supposed to manage your day to day finances. Guilty of kind of not doing that slash handing it off to Jen. Who's my wife, but I know that into it creates these products because of course, before I had a gen to rely on. I was Mr. turbo tax. And I was entering my stuff manually in quicken back in the day. Even when all I had were tacos transactions generally tacos and beers. You know, those are my initial transactions are important transactions. They exist. That's for sure. Yeah. And frankly, there some of the most fun transactions that I probably had especially back, then the rest was tuition, but tell us a little bit about how this looks, you know, from into its perspective, we have several products under the QuickBooks product. If you're self employed, we have a protocol QuickBooks self employed, which allows you to track your income the duct business expenses do things like mileage tracking figure out estimated taxes. We all those things that when you're first starting out, especially if you're self employed, you may not be thinking about them in tax time comes and you realize that. I need to do a whole bunch of stuff to figure out what I spent over the years. And I wish the spent the time trying to fake trying to keep these things organized in in one of the beautiful things about this product. Is it works directly with turbo tax. We have a terror attack, self employed products make sense, right? So yeah, when it's time to file taxes it sinks directly with turbo tax. So as long as you've been saying organized throughout the year through QuickBooks, self employed is almost a no work kind of kind of action, everything sinks, the turbo tax your expenses in the Duchesne's are all of your denies for you. And you can go ahead. And file he I think this is kind of crucial. I know when I first started the business, I really thought like all Handel this later, you certainly do not want to do that. You wanna make sure that you are tracking everything week to week at the latest because there's there is no greater nightmare. Then coming back and going. Yeah. You've got to go back through all your credit card transactions. Make sure they all add up, which by the way, they never will. And then find out how what each thing was for. And then God forbid, you're an audit, and you tell them. Yeah. Just sort of went and spit bald it at the end of the year. It's like you are going to screw yourself. You know, it's your point preparation really is the best way to stay to get ahead and stay prepared attacks time right keeping track of taxes determining your elephant expenses and deductions ahead of time. So, you know, it's really knowing what to expect, you know, using a tool like turbo tax will help you keep your tax history organized because it keeps your history euro per year over year, and it helps you understand how to get your maximum refund. Each year the other thing that's really cool that we're doing now from turbotax perspective, and this is relevant. Whether you're in individual or you do or if you are self employed during entrepreneur small business is we have this new service of terror attacks live that lets you talk directly with the CPI make sure thinking about things correctly. So we actually allow we actually have a product where you can schedule a time with a cert. Defied CPI the tonner platform, it's on one way video chat. So you can do it from your pajamas on your couch while while they're in their office in they're ready to provide personal tax advice. Tax prep services on the man's as you move through the process. It's really meant to give you confidence that you're doing everything correctly to your point earlier, you know, when you're starting up, and you have a small business there's a whole lot of potential uncertainty as you're getting going. I think another idea here that is important that was clutch for me in that. I didn't do initially was you should not only sort your business in personal expenses separately. And if you're not sure what a business expenses, you should ask somebody, but you should set up a business checking account immediate -solutely because if you start mixing funds man, and you know, this you start mixing funds if you ever end up with an accountant who's confused or worse and audit, you are just asking for so much trouble. Because once they create that nexus. Between your personal funds and your businesses funds. Basically, they just cracked the whole thing. Open like a nut treat the whole thing like a business, and then suddenly there dipping into your, you know, your remodeling the house fund or your vacation fund to pay off that tax Bill because you have no protection, and that that's a nightmare scenario for any business owner. Yeah, there's no there's no doubt that setting up a business checking account early on is extremely important. And and to make sure that you're keeping everything separate Jake. Thank you so much, man. Thank you very much into it. Powering prosperity around the world, proud makers of turbo tax, QuickBooks and mint financial tools. They give you the power to prosper. Learn more about our financial products at Intuit dot com. All right next. Hi, Jordan, Jason Jin. I've been in a bit of a slump. I'm about to be twenty eight in April. And I'm one of those people who stressed about where they currently are professionally and financially about three years ago. I started reading self help books business books. Listening to podcasts like yours in watching YouTube videos, all in the hopes of gaining knowledge to impr-. Prove myself. The main reason I'm writing in is because I feel like I'm constantly reading about how to improve myself in. All this information is fantastic. But the reason I'm frustrated is because I have all this information. Seriously. I know a lot about behavior change in habit formation, and yet I still face these ups and downs and ebbs and flows of motivation to help the silicate these positive habit. Formation's like diet finances exercise at cetera. I'm one of those guys who's in Namur with people with nice bodies and a lot of money not because of the aesthetic, but because of the consistency required to achieve those things. I'm jealous. I'm writing to you. Because when I hear some people's questions on feedback Friday, you always seem to surprise me in a good way. With a new perspective that I would have never considered any help with my consistency problems would be much appreciated. Thank you very much inconsistent consistently. Nice. So you're envious. Yes. I know. And that's a distinction jealousy. And envy, we learned that distinction from Robert green earlier on the show? This is a great letter. And we just did a deep dive. Five on why self-help makes us feel bad. So please go listen to that. It's episode one sixty and that will shed a lot of light on this. Also, you're not unmotivated what I think is happening here is that you don't actually want the things that you think you want. You don't actually want the things that you think you want in my opinion. This is okay. What I mean by this is that all the posts about, fitness, and money, etc. Are affecting you. That's what they're supposed to do. These types of posts, by the way, our marketing from these guru wannabes who are just trying to get you to feel less than so that you then by their crap you're not ripped enough by this crap business not taken off time for my insanely overpriced mastermind and Florida not sure what to do next. How about a self help seminar getaway with other people that we made feel horrible about themselves at some guy's house in Hollywood hills. Yes, we take credit cards in your shoes. After you. Listen to why self-help makes us feel so bad episode one sixty I would sit down. And write down the things that you think you want make a list of the things you think you want then start writing down why you want each of those things then right down. Why you think that's why you want each one of those things? So that's kinda like why? And then you get meta with it. Why do I think that's why the more you dig the more? You're gonna find out the reason that you want some of these things is because you've been told that you should want them not because you actually do six pack. Abs oh, yeah. I'm supposed to want those. So I'm attractive. I don't give a crap. But it took me a decade to figure out that I didn't care, for example. I go to the gym to the returns a week. Maybe depending if I'm on the road. I walk a lot. I'm not ripped. But I am trim. I'm in decent shape used to be two. Oh nine and I was ripped. Now. I'm one seventy not ripped at all. I realized a while ago. I don't wanna be huge jacked and want to be respected. That's what I that's the value. I was looking for. So I went about a more effective way to get respect which was becoming better to other people developing skills. Said of just developing my body that actually solved the problem. So I didn't have to work on these little accoutrements of respect or what I thought people wanted to see in me, and I used to think that I needed to make a ton of cash, and then I thought about why turns out part of it was respect like before. So we solve that. And the other part was that I wanted cool experiences. So I focused on how to get those experiences without just cutting a check for them. Now, I have rich guys in my inbox. Asking me how they can take part in experiences all the time a lot of which I'm getting for free or as a side sort of shovel because of the job in the the network, I've cultivated that gets me those experiences. The network has gotten me more experiences in more opportunity than the money ever would have in all this is not to say that you shouldn't be working towards what you want. Of course, what I am saying is that I'll bet you don't really want a lot of the things that you think you want, which of course, leads to a crisis of motivation because your feeling brain knows. You don't want those things. And then you're thinking brain is being bombarded with marketing all the time twenty four seven it's feeling less than and trying to motivate yourself temporarily to close that gap between what you have in what you think you should have. So you start doing it for a while? And then you lose interest because you're you're actually know that you don't want deep down. You know, you don't give a crap. So you lose motivation do that journaling exercise. It has mentioned. And I think you'll find that you're not as interested in a lot of this self help BS as you think you are. You're not as interested in having a bunch of money and being ripped in all the stuff as you think you are you just want some other thing like to be liked or loved or respected. And once you figure out how to get that without going that side route through buying supplements. And all that crap you'll be much happier. Long-term in it'll be easier. Honestly is there a lambo supplement? There's no. But there are no Lambeau supplements. Okay. Because you don't want that Lambeau you just want people to go. Wow, cool car and reason you want that. That is because you want people to think that you're cool. And the reason you want that is because you want love or whatever. All right. So just just love yourself. No, don't that's that's not the solution. That's part of the solution. Just not like that. All right last, but not least gerbil j which is also my favorite Austrailia radio station interested in your perspective on Lincoln networking. I get frequent linked in connection requests from people who I haven't previously met or done business with many requests come from those in the same industry similar fields or where there may be an opportunity for indirect collaboration in the spirit of building a robust network of professional contacts. I accept pretty much all requests that look legit. Almost all of the random connection requests. I receive are not personalized in after accepting. There's rarely any follow up by the request with a message introducing themselves even with people. I know I always personalized the invite. And then send a follow up message when they accept so in most cases, I take it upon myself to send a message to them to establish a conversation, but rarely get a reply or. Anything meaningful back. Well, some of these people probably think this qualifies is quote, unquote networking. I also suspected a fair number of these people are simply trying to get their connection slash follower. Numbers up to help establish credibility rather than endeavouring to establish meaningful professional relationships. There's a part of me that thinks I should subsequently remove random connections. If they don't engage within a reasonable timeframe is I do want to try and maintain the integrity of my network. But there's also a part of me that feels doing so would be petty on my part, and then I should be more focused on the long game. You never know. When that connection might come in handy. Grateful for any discussion around this. Thanks, not a lazy networker. So I like triple Jane Australia to we actually have some of their swag because Austrailia have notably our friend met night have been sending us triple j swag. There's a picture of the three of us on Instagram. That's right. So they can go check that out. That's right. I was also in the offices awhile back, and I was also at was at triple aim talking about interviewing and stuff. They have. Awesome studios. FM stations are awesome in triple m has so much cool stuff. And so you'll rooms. Yeah. I was like, wow. I could get used to this. I did. I did like podcasting course before podcasting with podcasting get KCRW. Yeah. Up in San Francisco, and I think that was KCRW, and it was so much fun though. Those rooms are so cool, and I took radio in high school. So I knew how to work the board and play with the carts and everything that is so much. I miss those as now they just have a laptop. It's not cool as it used now devoid her dope. I'd never took radio an ice. We didn't have it. Yeah. We had our own radio station. It was alright friend of mine had a radio show in high school, but he had to go to another high school to do it in the morning. India school starts at like seven thirty dude etiquette up at like four, dick. He must have loved radio. I hope he's famous now. His name is Brian Grant hit the Brian Grant show. So hopefully Bryant is a hopefully all that work paid off Brian. Anyway, Lincoln is different for me. I I've got forty five hundred requests that I started with like last week. Or something ending open requesting. Yeah. My god. And I also message everyone I rarely get a reply back. I think I've thirty eight hundred more to go something like that a little more. Okay. We're taking your Lincoln account away from you because you don't have time for that. Nobody got time for no, no, no. I know. And I even emailed Lincoln, and they replied, and they were like you have a lot of pending requests. And I was like is this normal? They're like, no. So they changed some stuff in my profile because they thought that there might been like some automated happening where people ending me. Anyway in your case. I don't blame you for removing people who don't reply they're never going to provide anything if they can't even be bothered to answer their Lincoln inbox after they've added you they're they're going to be takers at best timewasters mostly they're going to pitching you for their stupid sales calls. Hey, do a free session with me. All that BS. It's all automated, there's no point in connecting with those people. They're just mining linked in for Leeds. Having a lot of connections. That are useless. Does nothing. It's always better to have fewer but stronger connect. And of course, it's great to have a lot of strong connections. So you could just accept them and move on. And then once you need to reach out to them later. The problem is then you're going to want to check your message history and see if they're just adding tons of people or if they're the real deal, and that's what I do because I'm not relying on these connections for anything. I figure they're show fans. And if somebody's profile looks really goofy or doesn't have a photo I deny those but everybody else, I'm just kind of like, I assume, you know, me from the show. I'll talk to you. If you don't reply. I don't really care. I'm not using Lincoln for anything. Yeah. Me too. That's the that's the other thing that is linked to really matter nowadays because everybody is just using it as kind of like a social proof mechanism to show their connection accounts. Yeah. There's it. Can I do use it occasionally to reach out to somebody? But to like, hey, I wonder if I know anyone at quarter and I'll search for it. And then I'll be like, oh, hey do. I know you and they'll be like, yeah. I saw you speak at hustle, and I'm like great. I'm having this problem on Cora. But if their message history is me saying, hey, how do I know you, and they didn't bother to reply. I'm like, oh, great. This is just automate. She uploaded her ole hole g mail inbox by accident or so. Yeah. So I don't worry about it. So you're gonna have to filter at some point you can either filter now you can filter later. It's up to you. If you don't have that many open, pending requests filter them. Now that way you're just not connected to the people that are not man in the ship life. Pro tip of the week. This is a good travel tip for people who drink coffee at least Starbucks Coffee when you're leaving a foreign country, and you've still got cash in hand. Like you still got Mexican pesos? You still got tie Bhatt take it to a Starbucks load it onto a gift card, and then you can take the car to the UK USA Canada. Australia Mexico wherever you are Republican violin, you can use the cash on the card, and it will auto convert to your local currency. So you don't have to go to a Bank and exchange it. Yep. Now. This is a great tip. This comes from my friend, Marc Rowan feld or you might know him from Boeing Boeing. Oh, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Known Mark for years and this comes from his recommend oh newsletter. Like every week him Kevin Kelly and another person. Put out six tips each each person does to tips, and I found this on the newsletter. And I thought this was genius genius. Yeah. So I I have little ziplock bags full of like currency that doesn't even exist anymore too. 'cause totally got those. I went to Europe in the ninety s and I was like cool. Deutschmark oak frapp. Yeah. You know, exactly. Stuck with it? Now, I just keep that for fun because it's just fun to play with. Yes. Sometimes sure sure it is fun to have that currency. But some you don't need like four hundred dollars of it. You know, there's a lot. That's a lot of Frappuccino is right there that you could get. Yeah. I still though, I've totally use it. I don't think gift cards expire. No. They don't like ten years. It's illegal to expire gift card because they're they're considered cash. I've got a four hundred dollar British Airways gift certificate that. Somebody gave me in like nineteen ninety three that I can still cash in which I'm waiting for some that was like an actual flight to the UK nineteen Ninety-three Preval. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it was supposed to be. But I just never got off my butt and went classic Jason. That's right recommendation of the week, man. I'm obsessed with a theranos thing. I know I told everybody about the dropout podcasts. And they also did a dropout. I don't think it was called was a called the dropout who was on twenty twenty. Yes. It was the drop. It was also the dropout podcast was spun out of the the twenty twenty TV thing there were combined together the same team did both of those. Oh, I thought the dropout on twenty twenty came out after the podcast video came out after the podcast came. I it was like a six part podcast. And then after that the twenty twenty special came out then after that, the inventor out for blood and Silicon Valley came out. So is basically you had your Elizabeth homes trifecta to go through. Yeah. So look, I I recommend start with the dropout podcast. If you like it, I loved it. Then go watch the dropout on twenty twenty. And then if you like that, then go watch the inventor out for blood in Silicon Valley, which is on HBO. And if you don't know about Elizabeth home, she was the CEO of theranos this used to be a multibillion dollar healthcare company. Founded by Elizabeth homes, and then and she dropped out of Stanford. She started this company it was going to revolutionize healthcare. It was valued at nine billion in two thousand fourteen which made her the next Steve Jobs. The youngest self made female billionaire in the world two years later third dose was cited as a massive fraud by the SEC the value is less than zero. And now she's facing prison time couldn't happen to nicer crazier person. She is completely nuts by the of it. Yeah. And I think you nailed it with the order of Wichita what to watch and listen to because I think the podcast definitely like gets you the whole back story. And then you get nuggets going once you start to watch the video, and then you can really see like her crazy is and all that stuff is like a dog or a robot. He talks like she talks like as it buffalo Bill or the guy from silence of the lambs. It puts the lotion in the motion in the basket or it gets the hose again, that's how she she talks like that because someone told her that she needed to have them deeply registered to sound more credible. And it's just you you cannot talk like that in a bunch of media without a a complete lack of giving an F about what other people think and or just no self self-awareness at all. I was talking to my roommate about this. When we started watching the twenty twenty one she's just like, oh, she's just a poor girl who just got too far down the rabbit hole. And she started to believe her own press. And then got to upside down and didn't think that everything was going to be able to. And then by the end of watching the HBO, and she's like deputy was crazy. Crazy crazy. Exactly, exactly. That's what that's exactly what it is. Like you start reading I read the book, bad blood. Carey you. And I was like, oh, you know. I can see how somebody our age would just get so swept up in it. And then try to sweep the bugs under the rug. And then you're like, oh, wait. Nope. Con artist straight up fraud chirons like there's too much to ignore. I want to know how many people Walgreens got fired over this because that should have never been available to the public yet. No way. Oh my God. It's so crazy somebody for sure got Ben over the barrel. Hope you all enjoyed the show today. I want to thank everyone that wrote in this week as always don't forget you can Email us Friday at Jordan, harbinger dot com. What you get your question answered on the air. And we'll always keep you anonymous. That's how we roll a link to the show notes for this episode can be found at Jordan, harbinger dot com. Quick shout out to a couple listeners foreign wide Benjamin Forero in Mexico City. He's a law student sorry to hear that he works at a law firm in his city. Look, I hope you'll love it. He listens to us every day on the commutes and offered to take us out for dinner in Mexico City. So if I ever feel like getting kidnapped again, I'll take you up on that. Not that Mexico City's that dangerous. I mean, it is. But that's where that's where I get kidnapped the first time, so I'm not just trying to make you look bad or your country. Look bad. I do like Mexico, and I really had a great time in Mexico City other than that little field trip. It'll side-hustle trip there. That's right. And on key Hilla Haagen, which is a very Norwegian name. She is in Norway. She says, I swear I'm not a stalker, which is what all stalkers say. But if you guys are in Europe during the summer come visit us in Norway. She's got a house on an island. And it sounds very peaceful, no electricity or running water, but they have solar panels. And we're no one can hear you scream. Yeah. No, no. It's come out to this place where there's no phone and no running water, no electricity. Jordan puts the lotion to the best ever seen. What does that misery with Steven? Yeah. That's I feel where that's going. But thank you on key for the invite. I might maybe we can just meet at a nice public place. Instead next time. I'm there go back and check out Bo lotto and Michelle later episodes from this week if you haven't yet, and if you wanna know how we managed to. Book all these great people. I manage my relationships with thousands of people I've got systems, I've got habits, I've got consistency. I'm teaching you. How to do this for free over at Jordan? Harbinger dot com, slash course. It's a six minute networking. 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Patreon Bonus Thursday Teaser (w/Megan Batoon!)

If I Were You

18:26 min | 2 years ago

Patreon Bonus Thursday Teaser (w/Megan Batoon!)

"This is a head gum podcast. Another thursday. Another bonus patriot version of our podcast now ponies bonus patriot exclusive other. Other another Thursday. Another bonus patriot version of our podcast video episode only, no audio available at all. That's not entirely true. We do release the episodes as audio files as well. Really? Is that why we're in the podcast duty? Oh recording. This is what you're talking hammering. What the fuck? We wanted to give you guys yet another taste another sample about fifteen minutes of this episode, just so you get a taste of what the actual episode is like what you're missin over on our patriot. And if you like what you hear you can listen to the whole episode, and you can even watch the whole episode at patriot dot com slash Jay. Correct. This was a fun because Megan Betouni was our first video guest. That's true and make cool, and she's a dancer, so you better believe things got very physical dance. Yeah. We danced a lot. And we moved a lot of the three of us who is the best answer on the day on the cab. It had been Megan while I was just wondering is wondering if it was me, and you're just a light hobbyist at best. Well, yeah, appreciate they shouldn't. You're calling me light. Now. I was saying you're good at Danbury. No positive. Right. Yeah. Light is really complimentary. Where I appreciate this was a fun episode said it for you guys. Said it for you guys to a sample of it. And again, if you like what you hear just go to patriot dot com slash j to listen or watch the whole thing. All right. Let's get into it by three to one action. Wow. Nice. That was fun. That was classic. You know, this is being videotaped. I do know that. Tapes in the camera. Making. You're our first guest on our patriot only exclusive video if I were you web series shot on Tuesdays delivered on Thursday. The fame really undercut all of the uniqueness. Sorry. Now. You are. I guess aren't patriots. Thank you so much for coming by the way, and since we are video video recording this we're trying to be more animated like with our talking and acting out, and you're a dancer, which is why we want to clear the table. Okay. Yeah. Then terp dance type question. And I know I'm sorry for springing this on you. I know we didn't actually bring this up yet. So for each question. What are you going to say we're going to do a choreographed dance answer, sir? Yeah. So the answer will be choreographed as a dance, and it'll be me Jake and you answering together separately. But no talking just a video is herb Danish. And lead we follow. Can I have this for my real? Yes. I'm in cool question. David dancing, real I used to. But no, that's cool. Imagine that a dancing real. You have to you have a dancing. It's called your camera. Roll sucks. Yeah. Mine's a lot of cabbage patching. It's a lot of running man's tried to go stride your whip out of Shrove my car off a cliff. So it's like you shouldn't have done it. Do you love? I put it in neutral, gently moved it towards the cliff. But I thought I'd do like the full rotation again in the car maker ride have you ever ghost wrote with? No is that that's that. Yeah. That's that. That's that. I thought that's that. That's that. I felt like maybe there was when you put it in dry, but then you put your seat back so far that when people went by they didn't know that there could be too. But but no that's not that. That's that. Is that? Okay. More than anything. Go striding should be called that when you're leading back so far that it looks like a ghost is driving. He other things should be called else. Like a ring around the rosier. Would it be called bring around the rose because you're doing a ring around the car not going around the car you get out? And then you do a golden Dacian. And then you get dance next to it. I'm fine with that. Because it could should be called ring around the roads Z. That's good that. Okay. So better puns. But you still don't go around the Kaleen all the way back. So you're doing the ghost writing thing. And then when somebody's like, oh, let me take a look in. They open your front door. You've already done a backwards somersault out of the opposite passenger side backseat window simply. Then you can start doing the ring around the roads e right, which we also brought up so you could do the ghost ride. And then you could do the roads e thing, and then you're doing a full revolution around the not the roads eve at like, let's say this is your car. Why are your hands? Let your hands are so uncomfortable. I was just trying to they're they're broken in vascular. Oh, yes. So people can be listening to this episode as a regular podcast or they can be watching for those watching. I'm doing a little hand signal regen, hand wise is this is this an average man hand. Well, my fingers are thick and small. But like the way the way that the way that they're positioned is fine. I desecrate have you ever seen the way they're positioned is the worst part of your of your hand. Yeah. But they're also thick in small. They're not thick. They're not small they're wires, except for the way that you're holding them there, wiry and wet. They are what their pale their payload. Than the rest of my body by onic for some reason. Yeah. And the front looks like the back. So I have the lifelines stuff on the back of my palm. And I've hair on their sopping wet, but also cracked dry, how is that possible because they've been dry for input any lotion, and you done that kY scaly, and like, you know, when you put your pruning in the way that when you put your fingers underwater for a while. But like like that all the way down to my wrist. Let's question, but. That's why we're here. Yeah. And that's why we should do it. That's exactly your computer died. Yeah. So I have no questions to ask. Okay. We're back. All right. This is a question from a lady sorry from a man who's in a relationship with his girlfriend who's great. But there's a wrinkle why don't you give this guy a fake name? We can help Mansor is always a great relationship except for one thing. Yeah. Great except. So what's a good name for a guy? That's a great relationship. Gem. Awesome perfect. Spelled G YM. Exactly amazing. So he's jacked too probably because he attends the gym spelled j I. All right. So I have an issue. I'm currently in a relationship, and my girlfriend is great. But she is very insistent on making this weird platonic relationship with her ex BF from high school, we're both in college. I wouldn't care, but it's pretty obvious. They had strong feelings for each other back in the day. And they broke up in an amicable way. I trust her. But it's a shitty feeling when she texts her ex from time to time she acts like it's not a big deal. But she knows it bothers me we occasionally excuse me. Looking at your hand that thirty donuts came out of my mouth for those of you just listening not watching we occasionally Spar over this. And I'm not going to tell her that she has to stop communicating with altogether. I'm not an asshole LOL. However, we most recently were looking for a text on her phone together. And he came up in her reasons, it's just weird. And I don't like it crazy for thinking this. What should I do? Thanks love. Jim with do. I am. Yeah. What is Jim do? Tune. Do you have a chance to say dance? It. Music. Your make. That's perfect though. Should I just kinda charades? Good. Good good. No way, absolutely implausible. So what does he do? I concede your point. To nailed it. Next question. Do you have laconic relationships with your ex PF's? I don't think. So if your man did would you be confused alarmed scared betrayed don't say. Does that the music the music? I wanna answer quest. Please stop the muse your car running you over grant around the roads e. It's on my neck, put it in neutral and push it. The guy leaned all the way back seat is just revving the fucking wheels. Oh, yeah. You're beard gets caught in the fan belt. The lower your face off. Joe style you shouldn't have rung around the road. See that day. XP Ephron tech ex-pm texting. Because that alarm you in any way. Can we call that exciting? That's really good. Thank you Lutely, you've heard of sexting right thing. You've ever said really by far. Yeah. Everything has been really bad. But that was fine from like zero zero zero the Rosie joke was contrived and also to blue. And then that you just said. At ten which is your zeros and ones I feel like it's cool. You're doing up hurting my feelings because you're insulting a lot of other things. I said so just edit this part out now just said, and then I'd have now give you the dab clean. So you have it. See you want the X thing. That was limp and stiff at the same time when your hearts broken do it the other way, don't you? Another thing I ever said was funny ones in zeros. So I'm crying little bit. Anyway, I'll just try to get it clean. So we can edit all that other bullshit out. All right. 'cause it was hurtful, and it was spiteful. And I was mean to say it, and you said it in an angry way say that you needed to actually I'll say, why don't we call it exiting? The best thing you've ever say. Oh, thank you have preciado. Let's just edit the entire exiting thing out. Neither of us will say it's getting muddled. Controversy fine making it don't they call it exiting. That's brilliant. Don't dab. See this is the video shit that you don't get on the right getting to this. Oh. Throws him. I'm scared. How do you do this? Jake's good the wave through his body starting with the right hand, actually, pretty good. I'm not kidding. You do it like actually. That's really like you have so much control. Like, I can't do this. Megan made it like a small way this mall the harder to pull off Jake's doing like he's getting trying to get out of fucker. Yeah. You do it. You little piece of shit. Do it sucks. So much. Fucking. Do it perfect. We should edit it into it looks like nearly head on my perfect sign. Just give making your shirt. Everything below the neck. All right. Here's my attempt at it. Ready arm wave by Phil. Can you even see you have a bad angle angle on afraid? It's going to be awesome. And you're going to be like that looked fine. He'll be able to see if it's good. Yeah. It's true. And it is going to be good. Is it on camera off a little bit? I'm on camera angle towards the camera. Trying to original your. It definitely feels three to one pretty okay? It was like better than really bad, but not worth the build up at all. Just fully average being made the best two years was the worst. If you on I one before I actually was like Dave too much of a good. And if you could go back and review the tape that Jake's first one was the goat. Tune put that one to shame admittedly, and then my subsequent ones. After seeing the true go the greatness of tunes than the sort of paled in comparison you elevated above my shitty ones. But it wasn't as good as my first one the table. I think that's an accurate rating. Thank you. Sorry. This guys. Oh. My elbow. Really, this is the most we've ever like you have to watch the video version of the best one you did. And then the dab having four that if you cut right before the dab like actually, pretty good. You know, the phrase realize realize realize so what about visualize visualize real lies? It's weird that she texts her. We, but how much is it? And what do they sent? It's recent. It's constant it's ongoing. Let's day our friends now, I think there's a difference between an amical break-up and wanting closure and then keeping the line of communication open. Yeah. Not real. Sure. Oh my God bomb raw. Sorry. Let's keep going. What'd you stand? I've never heard this before go on pray. Tell never it's it doesn't anything that somebody wants closure. They just wanna see you again. Yes. Somebody's saying that they want closure. I do a that's like, that's that's prolonging keeping things open do believe that like closures pasta. Like, you can have it personally. Yeah. You can give yourself closure closure is time in another word. They're sitting up. Yeah. So one time closure is something that you give yourself over over time. Maybe sometimes you feel like you need to say something. But I don't even know if that ever actually if saying anything ever means anything except to the person who is saying what about the idea of finding the reason somebody broke up with you. I just need to talk to you and understand why this is ending. That'll give me closure. Translation, that doesn't really think. That person's actually saying no one's telling the truth though. So it's like, I just wanna see you again. Exactly. Right. Let me pry. And also like if you say, I just want to know why you broke up with me. I feel like what you're secretly saying is let me know the reason. And then I'll show you that that reason is invalid like, oh, you're controlling well, actually, I'm not and I show you approve. So that's I think most of the time what you want to know why somebody broke up with you. It's because you wanna change for that person of for that person specifically not like going forward. Yeah. You what construct? Criticism from an excellent it's kind of like an exit interview. How am I how do I better myself going forward talk to your friends about that and talk to yourself? But a lot of the times. It's not like a thing. You did wrong. It's just an incompatibility. So it's like, yeah. You should still be who you want to be. And then someone will love you for that. But the person no longer loves you for what you are really sad stuff here. Dep. All right and second. He didn't didn't have to. You dab the Mike into your. Shrine soft. It shouldn't hurt. It has. Really off this softer than that. My blue flannel. Flannel really? That was it. We're gonna stop it there. What an episode if you haven't heard the whole thing you haven't heard the whole thing. Yeah. Motherfucker you ought to listen to the last twenty or thirty minutes of that. And again, everything is at free on our page. No, no, we should lie. So it hold on. Just edit that out, right? When you were like last twenty or thirty minutes. Yeah. And this is a four hour long episode. But we talk about some really crazy shit misleading. It doesn't have. But then. They'll building they we have the cash then they'll they'll can we can run. They'll get mad. They will be I'll tell Fred they'll actually really like that with. We were Bates and switched we won't. We won't get in trouble. Trust me. If you listen to the very end of the final four, th our subscribe to the patriot. I give you money that we don't have to lie like another twenty thirty minutes of ad free. If I were you action. There's a treasure is nice. And actual treasure doesn't need to watch Frazier map. If you watch the video I reveal treasure map to real life. Very treasure. Absolutely real life buried treasure. I've talked about controlled into blooms. We true pirate's booty. I don't want people to think that. That's what happens episode. Okay. But if you want more of what you just heard head on down to patriot on dot com slash Jay. Thank you so much everybody that's signed up already Yar. Maybe. Juden treasure. All right. We'll be back on Monday, hit it. And I'll tell you exactly where wait. Podcast.

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The Boys S1E4: The Female of the Species

Nuff Said: The Marvel, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and Comics Fan Podcast

35:17 min | 10 months ago

The Boys S1E4: The Female of the Species

"This episode of Nuff said is brought to you by tweaked audio get awesome headphones. Good tweaked audio dot com and use the coupon code southgate get thirty percent off free shipping and a lifetime warranty not or you can get there through the link on our website. Southgate Media Group DOT COM EH They told me hardy to see in my head are host. I fear Captain Sally Professor Esser and with me as always is niece Threat it's MAS are oh back to the season one episode for full stream ahead. Tonight's episode we are discussing season one episode four of the boys and Amazon prime the female of on a very special episode of the boy and our gutter balls roles airplane hijackings madness ghosts and one very interesting female. Oh and lots of heart but in the sentimental sense ended the gory this week. Is Frederick. uh-huh coy as frankly Or toll of its yield. Why Craig Rosenberg it's written by. Couldn't this week Eric. Kripke developed by. He is very well developed Based on the time and and they're Robertson. Oh okay so Remember how does one opened from this. One opens up with that the golden tinged memory of Butcher and I'M GONNA assume is Becka in bed now. Absolutely loved loved loved this scene for single little moment. Where they're just goofing off joking looking teasing each other and he turns around and he says to her You love it and she goes do I. I love that because she's not asking that in a teasing playful way asking the question whether or not she does rather. She's asking him to confirm that he understands that she does. That's so deep what Such a beautiful way within like a couple of seconds to show us how deep their love was. I thought that was really really well. Well done although and remember this butchers memory either way. However he sees it whatever we need to see as his motivation or the genesis of his vengeance engi- or you know to sort of mayor him with Huey or whatever? But that's the place where it comes from and and I thought that was such a cool little tiny thing that they did the told so much and it is it is really lovely. Although you know what I have to say the joker just ruined me for all these things. I there's no it's this more than needs. The I O so yes. So that is that is the happy memories he's of of Happy Memories that you fade away and This episode really centers around this quest. Yeah 'cause we do we get that. Basically all she knows is that when which is also so I found very interesting. 'cause prior to this moment it always seemed like popcorn was the supplier of the but in fact it's actually a chain fire. Yes I always got the sense that he was just stashing the drugs at his girls place. Y- what would that. She was hanging whatever it was. It seemed like she he was the one holding. You know right to her right. And maybe it's because he couldn't have it on his person he couldn't get caught with it maybe right because because maybe maybe maybe even doesn't like the compound be being used outside of approved moment that is the thing and and so they figure out that he you know that. Okay those this chap and they essentially essentially fine You know through a lot of research because they confirmable yes because they figure out where with a noodle shop is and they realized that they go into the underground you know Yakuza. You know Chinese gangster gangster quite sure the Asian gangsters that are running a little operation out of noodle shop. You know there's obviously some kind of gambling. In their possibly some sexual and Kapros women the female indicate and of course for Frenchies Pat French. Beloved in the Romance. Like oh Frenchie no French. You know it was even in about you know a romance. That might have been romantic view of justice or fairness or You know the thieves code or that sort of thing. I don't know you know He. He's an idealist despite being a criminal you know yeah is he. Well you know and like like he says with his I still you know it was so fascinated woman at it. Is You get the idea that you know. He is haunted by the choices had he is. He does live with his own demons on stop and that is probably why he is reaching out because he sees let there. Is someone here sure that he wants to connect you and now of course the joke of it is is that he really can't connect with her because they don't have a language it needs no. We communicate unspoken language. It's really think so. I do love when he comes in. And he's like look out and then the guy's you're not supposed to let her out. Yeah now what. I'm wondering is whether she was a super powers or whether they were just keeping this woman captive and pumping her full of V.. And this was the result of it I got that basically she was pumped to be right. Okay it went horribly horribly awry. That's what I was thinking too and you know they're trying to where she's going because she does escape obviously and you know when they get to the when they get to the Nail Salon of course you know after she is killed the I who brought her over With Kelly and of course that's how and again Frenchie Joe his work. He finds the Nail Polish and he knows this because he's the one who realizes she's trying to go home. You trying to hit her for her hip back. Some also sees that you know they also find that the box at the compound came in was from Samaritans promise which is the Cooper Christian charity organization that is apparently also running the southbound and their associated with the seven right. Because in this you also get like that Youth Christian event that homeland or at starlight are part of why I got a feeling with. Yeah it's called this American right. Yeah he actually is. He is one of the seven in now. One of the seven. Although I see I'm not sure we see what's he hit. The people living. Whatever he is he may be his own gang maybe he's outside of the seven buddy's still a high ranking Guy 'cause as we will see there are other other groups of heroes that has also produced right. They're all far-flung a different cities. Because you know we see in that military Process that you know they. Their plan is to have every every in every state of the Union. has its own dedicated superhero team to start sending superhero the war to show because and of course this. This is what's important. This creates that superhuman arms race which Vauxhall's ten cash in on both sides. Because you know they can sell both the legal compound the Amdi under the table compound in and one wonders. If maybe that's sort of what What the female was a test subject of the under the table? We also in this episode would have The hijacked plane hijacked plane and this I thought was an interesting aspect because there you you have this idea from homeland earlier where he's talking about when he and may were just fly off somewhere and he sees his romantic the entire time. She's like. Yeah but I'm freezing my off the whole time. You know because you know. She's not a fire and ice. Cold up in the upper atmosphere capacity's resistant Danbury. But it's still feels no then she's offering many skirt me now. It's not as much fun for her but again. That's not the kind in the guy like ever. I love that. They had a conversation conversation about the physics of trying to bring a plane down. Is Maybe you fly pat it and it's like yeah but you can't tell the plane start doing cartwheels. You know it's like wow I. I never thought of that but yeah that makes no sense. Does he like you know. Let me put it this way. It makes it does not make sense what he said. It's really just topping out. You just want to admit that his he's the one that screwed shut lasers and he'd look because the fact is heading not the and again. This is a situation where both of these people are bulletproof. If the guy had shot them it would have had no effect them literally blowing up blowing them. Up with laser vision was again homeland or making a dumb mistake. Yeah Yeah now and then you just have this idea that you know. They're just going to let them all the time now. And that was that was that was rough and it just shows how sort of What's what's the word where you lack empathy psychopathic sociopathic momentum? Kendall yet I guess but yeah but man it just like it wasn't even a thing to him and do do you think. Do you think it was his plan all along. I guess it wasn't he. He screwed up and then he just sorta saved himself at the end. They're thinking Abo- and we only says to me another with them with me and the woman statistic my daughter which won't say any acre now. Yeah and then. It's like you know no you can fly. Everybody down can do this. We're and again. It's just a cop out 'cause he could have you know he's not going and that's really what it is in season just not going in and I mean you know you think about it from the start of it like the smart thing thing to do would have actually been you know to go in through the front window. Then you know even if you if viewer actually superman and you're dealing with this there were a lot of different ways you could go about this other than opening the door from the outside in depressurize. The cabin hurt which even even though that they had you know. Sort of squeak by and that didn't screw up the whole situation. He could have just uses xtra vision to look through the door instead of waiting to open when the door and confront the guy where he has to turn around and now he knows. You're there laser through the Walter was brain and the guy falls down in Europe. Good well exactly and that is the idea is that you know just to history. Yeah he's really not a good superhero at all. No He is not is his superman. If supremacy editor's job. Yeah yeah he is. He is don't people into the burning buildings like I. I'm so I think you are. What a great image to move into Louis or when they do the Nyborg on that's the desert rabbit. The people from that burning building buildings aren't going ETA Larry's your well you know it's it's not a homeland is not good at his job. I think that is one thing. We can set scary because he is so powerful and he is not good at his job. Well also sort of I guess as an opponent as a foe he definitely has weaknesses. That are there to be exploited. Well we hope I mean his ego his arrogance and his laziness. You know but you know when you're bulletproof. Does it make much difference. I mean if he was on point he would definitely be unkillable but these are the only avenue we have our his his personal shortcomings. Yeah we're lucky to have them. I think when they say that really wolverine or deadpool probably aren't identified as everyone thinks because they just take all the damage. Don't they Perry or all they just take it and stabbed right through you. And he's kind of thing where it's not even that he's that good it. What is that? You can't be overpowered. And obviously this is not a world with Cooper Milin. You know that you know much like me which this is also interesting that we actually have never seen any villains yet. Because I think we've just dress them up as a superheroes and they really are the super villains. Their aim is to take over the world. They aim is to infiltrate military. Their aim is to have control over our differences area or they defense that either way but is that is whether or not you know you're working for Hydra or not if you're working for Hydra you're working for Hydra on. I mean so I think because we don't we do see superveillance. which but they're dressed up as superheroes? Yeah and well but it was one of those things where you always wonder. Why didn't they create a super villain to is the just to give their hero's something? Well exactly exactly. It's an messy. Then they've got the they've got the they they've got a paper trail that they got it right. I think Madeleine's a real superior because she's keeping all these people in line and managing their egos and making them not go completely bonkers. I that's one way of looking at it. I guess you know it is interesting. How it all plays out And you know this you know and the whole idea of and I you know I love how the entire plan is to go into international waters I because now they can save the plane and then when it goes bad they accuracy. We could have saved the plane leave because we didn't have authorization authorizations waiting for the bureaucrats authorization which is just such a baseline right but but a beautiful PR play. And I love that moment. Where where Madeleine is at her desk and watching this unfold and all of a sudden? She's a what is happening. I did not know he was capable of this kind of thing and for the first time she sort of looks at him with a with a modicum of respect. Well Yeah and to be fair he was he was he'd been put me in coach marine place and she's like maybe does have something. Yeah and I think he I think he definitely cells that are and how you know and That's a good thing. That is a very good thing that he is really unpleasant with entered really going in there at he knows what his end game is you know and again. It's interesting that he really wants to go and fight in war zones or is it literally just that now being asked to do so might as well do that now. AAC Right. It's occupying somebody that otherwise would probably try to become a super villain himself or just you know. Walk around sending out against the convention and now he seems to enjoy killing people will be also loves the adulation. Yeah that's the thing it's like. Oh you know an and to be fair. Every time he goes until someone he is angry about interesting. You know it's always this is just an latching out because things things aren't going the way he wants them to you know he has found himself in a position that he's not controlling he's upset about it and it is bothered so intriguing does go to the nail salons and comes in as the Superhero on the scene. Oh at the game you know I it gang activity and the good NAPA incompetent cops. You can't have a world superhero Unless you're cops are really impacted. That is the one thing I think. We've all learned from years of Gotham. PD that you know if you're an incumbent cop or if there's a superheroes you're just not asking me that much you know it's like well we got there's Batman mostly we just filed paperwork. Read or donuts you now and wait for him to tie. The bag is up so we can go arrest. I know what is yeah. That was a joke. Oh smeeting once. It's not like Commissioner Gordon. Totally like it out. Just turn turn on the light for no reason. I feel like the guy's standing warrant it just to see what he brings the single path but he's not he doesn't work Grosso. It's all legal. You know the other Seena that that's important here is hugh e and starlight have their little bowling date. Yes which was. Yeah way which was which was really kind of adorable because like you see the two sides of him fighting He's having a wonderful time whether they're getting along they're being honest with each other and then all of a sudden he sees the ghost of Robin and he has to again. Make that decision. Does he make the sacrifice play and he says no no. I said whatever it takes. He acts her phone. That was an intense moment. Well Yeah but you know what it is what he would do either. You know I mean he's reading if you want to but you know what that's what he's there for and at the end of the day you know this is something. I think it will get a a little bit later. Is You know as much as he wants to. Connect with a superhero. His ability to connect with the Superhero is limited by the faculty. Ritchie is African Superhero. That is only so much anyone ever can do in these situations to connect beyond just the basic stuff you know and so you know. I think he really wants to connect with her. You want to be able to have a human live with their but at the the same time his he his girlfriend is still the ghost onset liberal ghosts by the way I just know just is a figment or just you never know you know well. That's US too who But I- Kudos to the actress Chris Paying starlight for you know not immediately making it a parent what he should do by making us fall in love with are just as much as we did with Robin in that I five minutes of the series. Yeah well it's awkward. Because no and this I think one of these aspects of that you know you never think about how how alienating being superheroes you know about how separate from humanity a superhero is but you almost never think about what that means that superior because literally. There's a great scene in Esa you remember with the risk of heart attack. Who is just such an amazing actress actress? I Love Mercy. Everything's he does You know She's talking about why she doesn't the she says because eventually I have to tell them to do for a living and there's two reaction there's the guys who get Kinda freaked out 'cause she works Svu and then there's the guys get a little too interested ha one of those guys that she can handle you know because if a a lead in a really only more that is that a guy to be around the guy who can't because it's a little too overwhelming is you. Yeah no it I guess the solution is just. Tell them you're on the CIA that you can't talk about your job yes well exactly uh-huh that's sort of where starlight is. Because he's a No. This guy is a superhero right. But he doesn't doesn't doesn't seem to be and she seems to be enjoying that and she sort of not ruined by the fame just yet to be so jaded that she can't allow what she's being presented wanted to be the truth. Although we do see that you know she does. This is the promise you on the other end of it which is at yet. She doesn't want to show him up playing at Bolan because she's afraid of few shows bowling that he's not interested in seeing her when he presents the alternative. And says you know. Hey I want want to see the real you. She allows him to see the real her easily as well so you know and she was open and vulnerable to him in that moment to a uh easily like giving Lee you know and that again then feeds into our question is is doing the right thing. Exactly you know because because you he is making this choice based on you know like we'd say his own his own mental illness about his dead girlfriend. His own hurt his own pain. It he's got a girlfriend and he's about how this girlfriend is dead and he owes her something but she set up Miller in. That's the thing it's like. There's only so much he can do there. we do get on this mother's milk and Frenchy and and which avoid when they realize that she's going to Penn station he wants to get the Laguardia. Wants to get back to you. Thailand or where we're from and in the mall down there in which I did love because you've been there you the on location but that's definitely I mean. They did a reasonably good approximation. It had the same feeling inspired the same feelings. That obviously wasn't it but they did a decently good job. That has a New York. I can sign off on those decent. Yeah it was it was nice and I like you know and again again you know Frenchies intuition. Here's the you know and cracking down the connection with AH cotton and I'd say he's telling her his life story. Yeah that she could not possibly comprehend is basically on Barbara Barbara Barbara in Nice student cones. And maybe getting that okay. Now he's saints something that's sad. Had He doesn't know if he's talking about or that you know once I got married I mean I think she might have been on the precipice of giving in and saying hey. Maybe this guy doesn't want to hurt me. And then the channel changes and she's just on such such high alert that all of a sudden every fiber nobody screams danger and run so it's not even something that she can help she's not in her base mindset to be able to react to something to I think he was close. I don't think he was terribly misguided in his attempts. No and You know I do love and of course the spice girls and what's Ginger doing you know what's what's what's babies do. and Ed you laugh but you know he makes a great point about you know how ginger has been doing all this great stuff all the other ones are kind of floundering but you know when they were together they were the spice girls. We're the spice girls. You know now each of us were lost and we're floundering but when we get together week synergy is into something the more which is the light fall? And as I said last episode. Ginger is the Mike Nesbitt of Spice girl she was real high end Musician and singer in that way she still has a career as as what actual name is but as ginger spice outside of that I I mean to you know Jerry Falwell Right Jerry Howell. Yes yes anything else no. She's you know she's the album she's still working. You know anorexic You know making clothes for anorexic which is a dying business. I love that that was hilarious. Well there's always there's always more comfortable conversation right right. I mean specific to maybe more specific to our country. I think he's not tell you. You always want to say about that. You know that you know American influence. I don't know if it is. I think this is probably a lot of people where Cillizza this this idea of. This idealized idea. I don't think it's necessarily comes from one place. I think it might even be much more from Auriol and I think people like I think these these you know in some in when it comes down to is what it comes down to the idea that in many other cultures there's just there was so there was a great episode of Sex and the city. One where I believe. It was Cynthia Nixon Scherzer was dating a model catalyzer within a womanizer but they only date models and they make the point that in most that models are this rare magical Michael brief but in most parts of the world they are they are contained. They only Magazines don't rain but in running the models the right I think how he also maybe how I took. It was saying she's making closed for anorexic girls. But everybody's getting so fat that that's a dying business. Oh really oh that's how I took it But that's an interesting way to look at it too. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah okay so that I am dying the right to the Dutch and the other thing that I think is interesting which is kind of I guess. The goofy ended into this episode was deep with his psychiatrist. Oh intimating how. His feelings got hurt when his teammates. suggested that he has Romantic relationships with dolphins. It all seems so ridiculous and funny until you you get to the end and he goes to ocean world and tries to rescue Someone awful close to him then and then the conversation leads sue because if if I just touch it now I don't know if that was a male dolphin or a female dauphin I don't know if it matters but it just was aid matter does the Dolphin. Yeah it was. It was sexually adventurous speech. Yes and You know they they They they are problematic. And I'm going to say is I don't think he ever I don't think I don't think I think he. He's not troy McClure. Okay At the deep dive Simpson's or it's really actively I will not let me say that often rambles but you know yes you know a uh but nearly you know he. He actually likes dolphins. Does he talks funny. The great people but the conversation sation really really sort of gave hints at they had a previous relationship. Oh I took that just to be. The Dolphin wanted something and he was like the man. I like you as a person in Dolphin. Alright alright alright. 'CAUSE 'cause he yeah okay fair enough because I thought like they used to get it on on and he and the Dolphin misses it and he's like we can't do that again dolphin. That's the VIBE. Maybe I'd never gotten. It was anyway. They were there you know. He wanted his dolphin-friendly be crea- killing them. Anyway and now he's in trouble with the law. Gosh so we're back to sex. Might have to go on a special secret commission. Yeah Oh boy you know This is why you need stupor. Vincent who's GonNa leave leave. The deep was mind controlled now. This Athens don't have a super villain. Yeah but that was. That was beautiful Shall we go to our parties for this week date You know what since you reminded me of I actually after you give my Hardest Working Akron show businesses. We do the deep Doo. Oh Oh chance Crawford because he is dealing with so much nonsense and just having to go through this and My my my best. Supporting Hardy Goes Frenchy or best for hardest. Working supporting actress definitely is actually let me reverse that French. Did you get the hardest working actor. This week The deep gets hardest wooden supporting actor. Because it is a supporting role. And I WANNA give Karen Fukuhara Definitely a hearty for hardworking access this week as the female I think that she she I love. I love a role that doesn't speak but still has to communicate. I ate in many ways react. What she's doing where she has to react in such a way that we as the audience no she does not understand what is going on but can interpret that also see how crunchy you can interpret that the oh you understand you got a lot going on a great degree here? HARA brought my hardest working lady in Children's Party this week right on I'm GonNa give the hardest person. Show Biz today the writer writer for this episode just for the opening scene and that moment between butcher and Becca in his memory. I thought that was such an expert bit of storytelling. Whoever's responsible for that moment whether it's the writers or the director or whatever but that moment was perfect and that's why I give my hearty to and if I had to give a supporting I'd have to to give it to starlight for her performance on the date with Huey? She was so lovable. And so open and honest and it really forced you to feel that moral quandary laundry as Huey does so that that would be my pick the opening scene for the writers and for starlight in that scene with Huey Rosenberg who has written by this week. Craig Rosenberg Unser. Well done Okay Oh mighty AH. We're landlubbers find Jay. If they sodas I can email me at the Mas Manzoor at g mail dot com or find me on facebook under Mas Manzoor. That's M. O. W. M. A. N. Z. W. O. R. N.. If you'd like to follow me on the twitter's along along with Mike squawky Indu so charlie assert. Let's see H. A. R. E. S. T. are looking the two e's in the middle for quantity he are and of course the Muslim said many years ago as Superkid mckinney blogging dino that time that superconductivity blog Woodward at that Oh okay Levers stay tuned in keep an eye out for next next week's episode of steam ahead are.

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America is Not a Christian Nation

The Thinking Atheist

33:31 min | 2 months ago

America is Not a Christian Nation

"Thinking atheist, it's not person. Symbol an idea. The population of this country is going through the rule rejecting faith. Challenging the sacred if I told the truth, it's because I tell the truth because I. put my hand on a book and Mehta wish and working together for more rush in all world take the risk of thinking feel much more happiness fusion wisdom. We'll come to you that way. Assume, nothing. And start thinking. This is the thinking atheist podcast hosted by Andrews. There's video of what you're about to hear. In fact, this presentation started out as kind of virtual video speech that I gave for the fellowship of Free Thought Dallas, and so I use them graphics that help supplement what I'm talking about. But I think it works just fine for the podcast audience, and it is a subject that is to relevant today, America is not a Christian nation. Now when you're done listening to the presentation, I wouldn't encourage you to take a deeper dive into America's founding fathers. It's a lecture series at the great courses, plus it's taught by historian. Dr Alan Gals Oh. Everybody's been talking about Hamilton right? The hit musical Hamilton will Dr Gallo gets into the history, Alexander, Hamilton and a lot of the other founders. We don't often talk about Wilson Rutledge even James Madison, and he gets into Jefferson and Adams, and all those people George Washington the chorus gets into the birth pains of a new nation and. And the struggles that surrounded the establishment of these United States. America's founding fathers is just one of thousands of other lectures on a host of topics at the great courses plus streaming to your computer, your laptop, your tablet, or via the great courses plus App such good stuff I love this as a resource. I think you will love it as well. Don't wait any longer. Now's the perfect time to sign up and start exploring with your free trial at great courses plus dot com slash seth, the great courses plus dot com slash seth. Allow me to begin by saying. Thank you to the Fellowship Free Thought Dallas for hosting this sort of online virtual presentation, I would have given the speech normally, and I was scheduled to to give it in person. In, Dallas, Texas, and of course because of the covid nineteen situation and the fact that public gatherings have become very problematic. I'm doing this speech here. Online to be broadcast I two F.. O. F., and then after that to the rest of the online community conversation I've been having a lot recently. The conversation about the United States as a Christian nation. This is a claim that we hear so often from even casual Christians that was going to say the Theocrat, the Christian nationalist, but even the casual. Christian will say when pressed we'll. Of course we're a Christian nation. We are founded on Judeo Christian principles. We hear that term used quite a bit Sean Hannity at Fox News and Todd starnes at Fox. News and I've been talking a lot about the Fox News Irs because of my new book. which deals with the theocrat the Christian nationalism and sort of the right wing ISM in relation to a specific religion? Christianity the book is called Confessions of a former Fox News. Christian and I get into the origins of Fox News where it came from the power players behind it. We get into Ronald Reagan the Reagan years the Reagan revolution and his ties to the moral majority Phyllis Schlafly, and they sort of activists theocrat who were dancing over the state church line into politics and the effect that has today we get into right wing radio. We get into the gun culture the abortion debate. And Chapter Four deals with the pledge of allegiance the chapters called the pledge of allegiance, loyalty oaths and the freedom of speech. And you know we get into. Where did the pledge come from? And why under? God wasn't originally part of the pledge and the fact that it was written actually by a Socialist christian-socialist and had these sort of Nazi ask. actions that you were supposed to perform with it that had to be replaced during the Second World War for obvious reasons and We get into the idea of the United States under God. One Nation under God on the money in God we trust which constitute many of the arguments that we hear and see from the Christian nationalist well of course gods in the pledge God's on the money. Thomas Jefferson. This is somebody who's often embraced by the thea- KRANZ as an obvious believer in the God man Jesus Christ. And we in the atheist movements or the secular movement, the Church State Separation Movement talk about his letter to the Danbury Baptist will throw a quote. From that letter? But where did it come from? Who are the Danbury Baptist wait a minute? Let's get some context and find out exactly what he was talking about. So that we can have that information in our discussions that Danbury. Baptists were a smaller group of believers. Whenever Thomas Jefferson was elected as president in eighteen. No one the Danbury baptists were nervous. They were nervous that the larger group of Congregational List the larger denomination of Congregational, essentially going to sort of put them out of equation right, the larger tribe was going to marginalize the smaller tribe, which is the fear of minorities everywhere. We look right. Wait a minute. Those in power are going to. To, push us away from the table and and they're not going to allow us to seat. And so they wrote this impassioned letter to Thomas, Jefferson the Danbury Baptist said this our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty that religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals so essentially. They're petitioning Thomas Jefferson. Don't let us be kicked out of the party. Because, we are not a majority denomination. Thomas Jefferson as president wrote a return letter a famous letter to the Danbury Baptists. Where he said these words, he said believing with you. That religion is a matter which lies solely between man, and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship that the legitimate powers of government reach actions. Actions Only and not opinions I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law, respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise, thereof, thus building a wall of separation between Church and State Thomas. Jefferson actually used those words in his letter to the Danbury Baptist invoking that wall of separation. They realized when they sat up. The United. States they wanted the American experiment to be protective religious liberties individual rights to practice a religion to believe whatever you want, but they also knew the government was not a church. The government was not a church, and as I see the theocrat constantly talking about the faith, Thomas Jefferson, the faith in Jesus, Christ as God I am curious if they are aware of the famous Jefferson Bible. Thomas Jefferson sliced out. All of the supernatural events and Jesus is miracles including Jesus's resurrection. And he sliced them out of the Christian. Bible imagine this sacrilege. If a governmental leaders, certainly a president had taken the Bible God's perfect word, and if you look at the major Christian denominations in this country, the assemblies of God the Southern Baptist Convention, and you look at their mission statements. They say outright overtly that the Bible is perfect. divinely breathe from the mouth of God into the ears, and the writing hands human beings. It is without error in fact. I think many of the mission statements of the popular. Christian denominations actually say it is without error so here. We Have Thomas Jefferson going in and just slicing out. The supernatural portions of the Bible, relating to Jesus and Jesus's resurrection and you can see this Bible. It is on display today at the Smithsonian National Museum of American history. There's a famous letter written by Thomas. Jefferson in July of Eighteen nineteen, where he actually admitted. When it comes to religion, what is my personal faith? He said I am of a sect by myself. As far as I know, he wrote a letter to John. Adams on August the Fifteenth of eighteen twenty, where he famously said when once we quit the basis. Basis absence, Asian all is in the wind to talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings to say that the human soul angels God are immaterial is to say they are nothing's or that. There is no god, no angels, no soul I cannot reason otherwise, but I believe I'm supported in my creative materialism by the locks, the Tracy's and the stewarts. We talk a lot about this document. It's called the Treaty of Tripoli. The Treaty of Tripoli was essentially document assuring the nation of Tripoli which is now modern day Libya a an overwhelming Muslim nation. And we were sort of doing I run thing. We had shipping lanes in the area. We had previously enjoyed the protection of Britain against piracy, but now that we were independent of Britain. We were kind of doing our own thing setting up those relationships on our own and Tripoli was nervous right? A largely Muslim nation was nervous that we were gonNA. Try to come in and occupy and convert the whole nation to Christianity, which is something they had seen done in the past, and so the United States because we were. Were using the shipping lanes in that region and needed, the ally decided to reassure Tripoli that. No, our purpose is not to colonize you not to convert you not to come in and try to win Jack Whatever we're doing into what you're doing. We want to assure you. We just want to use the shipping lanes, and so the Treaty of Tripoli is the document that said so, and there's this famous paragraph, says as the government of the United. States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. As it has in itself no character of emnity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of in this means Moslem, as the said states never entered into any war or active hostility against any Muslim nation it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. This Treaty of Tripoli panned back in Seventeen, ninety seven signed by none other than John Adams. Himself mentioned John Adams to a casual Christian or even in a Theocrat, evangelical pastor type, and they will say well. John Adams was a man of great faith. John Adams was a Christian yet John Adams had signed his name to a document saying we are not a Christian nation can't. Can't be any clearer than net James. Madison opposed a bill that was proposed back in seventeen, eighty five, which would have used taxpayer money to fund Christian classes in Public School. Right taxpayer money, promoting a specific religion and James Madison strongly and publicly opposed this. He called it a dangerous abuse of power because religion or the duty which we owe to our creator and the. The manner of discharging it can be directed only by reason and conviction not to by force or violence. You push this stuff on our school. Kids in that is not the purpose of school. Anyway now notice. He did invoke the create tour, which a lot of the founding fathers did, but as with Jefferson and potentially Benjamin Franklin and some others they were invoking ads tick God. God Not a specific deity with a proper name representing a specific religion, and some of this was just simply part of the etiquette and the vernacular of the day they invoked to creator I think they mentioned God in the Declaration of Independence or the Creator rather in their declaration, but they purposefully did not include any mention of God, not one in the United States constitution. We're going to get to the constitution in just a moment Thomas Paine much like Thomas Jefferson likely a diest, he wrote the age of reason a series of pamphlets that he published from seventeen, ninety four to eighteen o seven Thomas Paine strongly attacked the institution of the Church, strongly attacked organized religion in the age of reason, he said this the study of theology as it stands in Christian churches is the study of nothing. It is founded on nothing it rests on no principles. It proceeds by no authorities. It has no data. It can demonstrate nothing, and it admits of no conclusion. Benjamin Franklin. He may have believed in Jesus, but there's no evidence. He believed in the God man Jesus the Supernatural version of Jesus. He actually wrote parodies about Puritan intolerance. You know they sort of dogmatic puritans who were foisting their religion on everybody else, and he is on record. Actually saying that he had some doubts to Jesus Christ's divinity, he was also more interested in sort of humanism, human behavior, human goodness he said publicly I think vital religion has always suffered when Orthodoxy is more regarded than virtue. Wouldn't it be refreshing if we saw this kind of language from the theocrat in power today more interested in human virtue. Goodness actions that are good for their own sake, instead of assigning this sort of Christian narrative to all acts of goodness, trying to co-opt all acts of goodness for a specific religion, promoting a specific God for specific reasons, saying that this nation belongs to a specific faith of course, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution disagrees with that Congress shall make no law. Law Respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise their off the United States was never designed to be a church. It does protect an individual right to believe and practice your faith or non faith, but it is not a Christian nation, but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. One of the most popular arguments among casual Christianity today is the fact that we see in God. We trust on our currency. It's God on the money. Of course this nation belongs to God even a cursory look into the history of our national motto reveals that in God. We trust was not the original motto of the United States. It was a pluribus unum, which means out of many one. But there was a religious resurgence right after the civil war remember a time of tremendous tragedy over six hundred thousand American lives lost in that war, and there was a spike in religiosity, and they added in God we trust to coinage right after the civil war. and. The Mid Twentieth Century we saw devout Christian. Presbyterian Christian Dwight, Eisenhower who infusing a specific religious belief into his office, and into the language of the United States. This was against the backdrop of the Cold War, we saw godless communism right those evil Soviets used to worship the state, the rights of the individual which are God ordained stripped away from them so to position the United States as morally superior as righteous as God's country against God less communism, we began. Began using God's sort of weaponising this invocation of God and we did so by including it on our paper currency as mandated in the mid nineteen fifties, and also including under God in the pledge of allegiance, these words did not exist when the pledge was first created I written by Francis Ballot me back in the late eighteen hundreds Francis Bellamy wrote the pledge of allegiance in eighteen, ninety, two for a publication called the youth's companion it commemorating the four hundred. Hundred anniversary of Christopher Columbus landing in the new world, and so he wrote this pledge, and it was shared and shared, and it caught fire, and became part of the national consciousness and adopted as the pledge of allegiance, but his original pledge didn't have the words under God in them now, what was many decades later when the words under God were added almost two hundred years after the founding of the United States, this language was not the intent of our founding. FOUNDING FATHERS WHO established a state church, separated secular government on a secular constitution, there are other examples, but run any of this stuff by the theocrat who are currently waltzing in and out of the White House, and enjoying time in the spotlight. People like this Man Pastor Robert Jeffress Dr. Jefferson is pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, Texas. He is also on Donald Trump's evangelical advisory board. Why does a stay church separated government have an Evangelical Advisory Board? This is an important question. Dr Jeffress gave a sermon back in twenty eighteen. It was publicized and advertised on billboards, and it was broadcast on line across the nation. The sermon called America is a Christian nation. Where Dr Robert Jeffress said things like this. America was founded as a nation. That is neutral toward Christianity. America was founded as a Christian nation. Dr Jefferson was selling the narrative that we belong to a specific religion. The Christian religion. The invoke Thomas Jefferson during his sermon, saying and this is slippery. He said that Thomas Jefferson did not support a governmental religion, but he did support a government toll faith. I'm not sure what the differences, and of course. What specific faith is Dr Jeff talking about? It's not Islam. Certainly it is his specific religion. Christianity Paula White. She is an evangelist. She serves on Donald Trump's evangelical advisory board has a lot of access to trump and the Republican party at the White House, and the halls of the United States government's. She gave this invocation and join our nation to your purpose, thy kingdom come, that will be done. The psalmist declared. Let your favor be upon this one nation under God. Let these United States of America. Be that beacon of hope to all people and nations. Dominion, a true hope for humankind. The religious language continues among those in this administration energy. Secretary, Rick Perry called Donald. Trump, the chosen one. He said he believed that Donald was sent by God to do quote great things. Rick Perry doesn't see a representative government doing the will of the people he believes that government and its leader or leaders are actually here to support a specific religion to do God's good work at the inauguration. I mentioned just a few minutes ago. Evangelist Franklin Graham came forward to the podium. He believed that even the weather affirmed God's choosing of Donald Trump to be president of the United States. Mr President. In the Bible rain. Is a sign of God's blessing. And it started to rain Mr President when you came to the platform. And, what's more likely they'd God used though weather to affirm the presidency of Donald Trump or that? It rains nine thirty days in Washington D. C. in January. I'm just say. But we see the theocrat continuing their tap dance over the state church line. People like this Guy Dallas Mega pastor, Jon, Hagey. He declares we are a Christian nation. AGGIES A Christian Zionist. He believes the establishment of the Israeli state Jewish. State is actually part of a biblical narrative, which is a precursor to the return of Jesus, Christ and the End Times essentially this is part of an end of the world narrative, and this was affirmed by Mike Pompeo. United States Secretary of State Peyot did an interview last year on CBS the Christian Broadcasting Network at that's very telling righties on the Christian Broadcasting Network doing an interview friendly interview with the host to. To ask the question of maybe trump was being used like the biblical Queen. Esther was used by God to help establish the Jews to protect God's people in Palm, peyot responded. Yeah, he thinks that's highly possible. Trump had recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel Jon Hagey and Robert Jeffress went over to Israel and gave a prayer as Jerusalem was acknowledged as the capital of Israel. This is bizarre. Because Jaffrey's is on record. Essentially saying the Jews are not going to to heaven, because the Jews don't believe in a literal Jesus Christ why would Robert Jeffress go to Israel and lead a prayer for those people he believes are going straight to hell. Well I believe. It's about power I believe it's about power and influence and control, and Christian Dominion Ism I'm GonNa show you a resource just a few minutes, which goes a lot deeper into this particular subject. Our Secretary of Education Betsy Devos has said that education reform can in her words advance. God's Kingdom Attorney General William. Bar gave a speech recently at the National Association of Religious Broadcasters. He complained about militant secularists who were attacking religious freedom. Freedom we say that religion is a private exercise, not a governmental exercise. People like William Bar say it's an attack on our religious freedom. We say that there's no place for a ten commandments monuments on state capitol grounds in Oklahoma Texas Arkansas, and elsewhere and people like bar say you're attacking religious freedom. We say we should return to the original motto of the United. States E. pluribus unum out of many one instead of a religious motto. And the Christian nationalist cry religious persecution, you're attacking my religious freedom express concerns about project blitz, which brought seventy-five bills and more than twenty states and twenty seventeen and twenty eight bills, which promote the privilege of a specific single religion Christianity they want bibles, and Christian prayers in public schools, religious excuses to discriminate against non Christians Gays Moslems at Cetera. Biblically informed prohibitions on female reproductive choice and the embedding of specific and single religion into a nation that is supposed to separate the church and the state while representing people of all faiths and none. We are seeing right now. A United States government, which is a betrayal to the very notions, principles and ideals of the founding fathers of the United States. It is a government that is acting like a church giving favouritism to a specific religion when it should be acting constitutionally on behalf of all American citizens. Now here's the good news in the United States we are seeing a decline of religiosity metric after metrics. Metrics statistic after statistic, we are seeing people who are not going to church as much they certainly not as dogmatic as their parents and their grandparents, and their parents were seeing people who aren't interested in discriminating against their fellow human beings, who might be different or think differently, you know they don't want to deny service or human rights or the right to marry it Sarah to lgbt people. They don't discriminate against. Against someone who might hold to a different faith or none, they might be less inclined to identified as a specific religious faith, and perhaps they hold to more of a DA. Stick opinion. You know I think there's a god out there somewhere, but I'm not involving myself in the activities of the specific church, not necessarily getting what I need as a human being from the church I'm not saying there are necessarily. Necessarily more and more atheist like we're not seeing thirty plus percent of Americans being atheists, that's not statistically true, but the rise of the nuns, the non religious you know what I may be spiritual, but I'm not religious. Those numbers are hugely on the rise in this country, and it's my hope that we will see one day soon. Those who represent them in the halls of power reflecting that lack of religiosity. This explains the mad dash. The power grab the scramble by the Theocrat by the Christian nationalist who see the writing on the wall. They see the rise of the nuns. They see that their stranglehold on power. Their monopoly is fast going away. It is certainly under extreme and imminent threat, and so they are trying to stack the courts. 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Remarkable phd study of bellringers pay and habits : Gareth Davies

Fun with Bells - bell and handbell ringing interviews

34:57 min | 7 months ago

Remarkable phd study of bellringers pay and habits : Gareth Davies

"I think the thing that would surprise most people is that out of the ten thousand occasions. I Fan when the bills were rung. There are none whether rung for Church. Services. That's not strictly true as one occasion. Rut At the end of my period when they rang. Fool the service for the assize judges arriving but for regular Sunday services changing was simply not a part of what happened. Hi Welcome to the Fund with bells. Podcast where I- Kathy Booze Interview Novices? And some of the most famous ring is in the world as they reveal the mysteries of this heard but often hidden art before today's fascinating interview. I'd like to know more about you. What you think of the podcast so far and if you have any ideas on what we should do differently if you could please fill in the short survey. It's at bit dot L. Y. Forward Slash F. WB in capitals twenty twenty. You can find this on the show notes. So that's again bit dot L. Y. Forward Slash F W B twenty twenty and now on the show. We're going to be talking to my guest today mainly about his PhD research which will be of much interest to bell ring interested in its history. Garrett Davis started ringing tower bells in his teens rising being master of the Cambridge US under the winning team for the National Twelve Bell Contest. Three times at the turn of the century life took over for a bit with the rival of children under flock of sheep but about ten years ago he rekindles interest in. Bell and hand bell ringing. You said you were very slow in your learning to ring. A lot of my listeners are in the early stages of learning to ring a might also feel their slow learners said. Can you elaborate on that a bit? Because it doesn't sound like you're slow at the end of your learning to ring. I suppose I was lucky. In a way I learned to Tara Danbury Essex where they had an extremely good band of the time but I found BELL HAMLIN QUARTER QUARTER STRUGGLED. Start with it seemed to take ages to get the hang of bringing two strokes together an authentic style was particularly good the chaffee tool me describe me at one point as being like a jellyfish on a piece of elastic. And that's certainly what it felt like to me and I think not having a very good handling style did help me back quite a while and in fact I used to go to a another practice. The captain there in the end got so fed up of my rather pulling style. He he kind of reached me which helped enormously. But I still don't have a fantastic style have to say but being in a winning team for the trial bell contest you must've improved somewhat to get there while I was very lucky. I think with my ringing because once I did get the hang of ham laying ringing some basic methods I was bringing with a band in Essex and university who could essentially ring anything and they were very generous in that time in helping to develop and of course you get obsessed with these things as well so so you put a lot of time into it and wanted to move onto your PhD research. What is it about? What's the title of it to begin with so the title of my face? It keeps changing but I think the final version is something like the business of bell ringing. How important was it to Cambridge? Ring us to get paid. Why are you doing it? Well I suppose partly because retired a few years ago and I wanted to do was gonNA keep my mind active but also because I'm genuinely interested in Toronto understand will ring was like in the past. We tend to assume that it was like it is now so most people don't think about getting paid ringing except for the occasional wedding. Possibly but it's for my research is it. Seems that if you go back one or two hundred years actually. The payment was quite important. Reason why some people rang. And how much did they get paid? My researchers have been looking at Cambridge from about seventeen twenty four to nineteen thirteen. And what it shows is that the start with. They were charging as a band about ten shillings. Hoffa Guinea full ringing and that gradually increased through the eighteenth nineteenth centuries until by eighteen eighteen. They would be usually charging about five guineas time. I'll say shared between the band. That's quite a lot of money in today's money isn't it? It was the combination of how much they were paid and the number of times they were paid. That was interesting. So part of my research has been to try and identify how often the bells were rung. I'm just looking at the judge Mary's in Cambridge and so far. I've identified bouts ten thousand occasions when the bells rang and more than half of those with a page ringing. Wow so they got. Hey quite not then set to give you an example if we take eighteen. Oh which is about in the middle of the period. I'm looking at in the currency of the time that total income that year was just under ninety pounds. Now if we convert that to today's money a straight conversion suggest that surrounded about just under six thousand pounds today but that would be just in terms which purchasing power converting from eighteenth century currency to twenty th century is quite difficult. You can look at what it bought but equally it's about how much the money they earned would have given them status so if we imagine looking at a scale of earnings earning that amount of money in one thousand nine hundred seven would be the equivalent of earning about eighty thousand pounds today so it's pretty substantial. It was yes for some of the battened depending on how what kind of jobs they had in the hammers they end from other sources of income. See what did they spend the money on a variety of things so the way that the ringing worked in Cambridge right through the period. I'm looking at his. They practiced three times a month so initially on Thursdays. Whoever that led to change to Monday nights and they'd have three Monday practices in the fourth week. Whenever that fell would be that club nights. So there'd be no ringing that evening but they'd go to that clubhouse which is always a pub in Cambridge Changed Felli regularly where they went sometimes. They were fortunate enough to have an in Caper as one of the band and they tended to go to that particular in and they had a private room. They have where they kept that bulks. We had the society's accounts and essentially they'd have a jolly evening partly paid for for the money that he collected and they'd hold business meetings whether decide how they're going to run the society that happened every month in one of the reasons why I'm using Cambridge's as the example of looking at this is the ring is from seventeen. Twenty four hundred woods kept very detailed records of all the amounts. They and an older ringing that they did so. We have a complete record of every financial transaction between seventeen twenty four and the end of the period. Nineteen thirty you see. You've got your information mostly from those records. Then it's a combination so they're fantastic source of information they don't tell you everything about what the ringsted the Church wouldn't accounts give records of the parish. Painful those payments. Don't actually appear in the RINGERS RECORDS. And the reason for that is because they pay nothing cash but in bear so there were a number of parish ringing events every year and these tended to be the ones that was celebrating. Royal Events. So they'd be things like the diversity of the King's accession King's coronation most of the period every year the twenty ninth of May was celebrated as the restoration of Charles the second to the throne in sixteen sixty and they also regularly rang full bonfire nights gunpowder plots and all those who paid for the parish but the money was paid to an inning. Cambridge and then the ring is could go drink the beer whenever they fancied so it wasn't unusual for the bells to ring for Political Events. Not Tool no no in fact the bills would ring for anything pretty much the ring painful so one of the really interesting elements of by research up discovered. Is that after seventeen twenty four the ring. His began to ring more and more regularly full parliamentary elections. It wasn't a new thing after seventeen twenty four that they rank for elections before that but they also worked out that it was quite a lucrative source of income after that and in the first up to about seventeen fifty four. They rang occasionally after seventeen fifty four. They rang almost for every election. That was held in Cambridge and Cambridge is a peculiar place because there were three constituencies there were. Mp's elected full the town there are other. Mp selected for the university which had two seats until the nineteen fifties and the county elections rules. I've held there and eighteenth and nineteenth century elections could go on for quite a while several weeks sometimes so there were lots of opportunities for ringing when the candidates came to town to canvas when they held dinners. Felicia's and when they were elected during the voting process so those years when there were elections were the most lucrative for the ring is was it the political parties that were paying for the bows then absolutely and the rings were entirely unbothered. Which party was they would often ring for both parties on the same day and it does make me wonder how people in the town you which was being run for. It's not always clear that they were being asked to do this. One of the peculiarities of eighteenth and nineteenth century. Elections is the way that things got paid for so essentially. If you provided flags for the candidates all the favors ole you rang the bells. It was quite possible to ring first and then ask for the payment afterwards whether you'd been offering or not so on a lot of occasions it's pretty clear that the bell ring is rang and then they presented their bill to the candidates committee afterwards and they nearly always got paid. What happened if they didn't get paid? I think quite cross this wasn't a political one but in in one thousand nine thirty to the British Association for the Advancement of Science held. Its annual meeting in Cambridge. And the ringers rang for that and got paid for it and then about ten years later this. Saudi came again and the ring is rang but the society refused to pay them which resulted in them writing a letter to the newspaper complaining that if they weren't going to get paid for their labors than they probably have to hang up their ropes. When did payments? Like this? Stop why did it changed the way? It is today so ringing for elections as quite an interesting one because that came to a grinding halt very very suddenly in the eighteen eighties that being quantum lot of concern through the century about bribery in parliamentary elections have been all kinds of measures taken to try and stop bits and for a while. It looked as if ringing was going to be included. As one of the things that was regarded as as bribery so paying the ring ring was going to be banned but in fact it was never banned but what happened in eighteen. Eighty s was that they introduced very severe regulations on the amount of money that could be spent on parliamentary elections candidates and the result of that was that all expenditure on anything. Unnecessary disappeared so pretty much immediately after eight hundred eighty two. There was no more ringing. Parliamentary elections simply because the parties went to pay for it and the ring has stopped ringing the moment they stopped getting paid. You mentioned earlier about them spending money on beer whether any other things that they spent money on yes so they were interested in making sure whether they were ringing was not take part in so in fact they bought some Oak paneling in the eighteenth century and had the ringing chamber regret Samaras panel which had come from one of the Cambridge colleges and you can still see that today if you get to grips at Mary's ringing chamber they also spent quite a lot of money on having peel bullets recording that Pales and then there was a kind of Mu practical things so they're at least two occasions where they bought a chamber pot for the Reading Room. Which gives you an idea. Both of what it was like in an eighteenth century ring criminal so possibly why they weren't any women ring as at the time the rest of the money they distributed monthly in dividends to themselves so they received payouts from the surplus money that was received and for some of the ring is that was quite a significant contribution to their income. They were quite interested in money. Actually that was a huge fat of taking part in lotteries in the seventeen eighty s and the ring is did actually spend quite a lot of cash buying lottery tickets win none of that tickets one but they did get paid to ring for successes of other people in the town so there was a pub called the boot where seventeen regulars got together and booked lottery tickets and they won quite a significant amount of money nearly twenty thousand pounds which is a huge amount of money at the time and they paid. The ring is to celebrate their success by having the bills room. They were called the boot society. Has there been much academic study of Bell Ringing Surprising. Not a huge amount but an interesting kind of range of reasons why people look at it so one of the most interesting ones has been an academic called David. Cressey has written a book called Bonfires Bells which looks at the pattern of bell. Ringing to see whether Bell's Rangel noughts indicated how popular the King or Queen at the time. Where so it was almost symbol of support for the monarchy or opposition to the monarchy. And that's quite an interesting kind of measure of what people felt about the monarchy at the time. What was the conclusion that so his conclusion is that there is some indication through the sixteenth seventeenth and eighteenth century and research really stops in about something twenty but he concludes? It was Kinda huge popularity for Queen Elizabeth far less popularity some of the stuarts and then conserve renewal of enthusiasm after Cromwell's disappearance and Charles second came back so it's an interesting way in which academics look for evidence of what people are doing to make a case for that particular area of interest but thankful of used evidence of ringing all kinds of things so they've looked at it as part of the kind of ritual year the way that the calendar is organized. They've looked at it. As an aspect of seventeenth eighteenth century recreation along with whole range of other activities and it got a real boost after the nineteen sixties. When people started thinking that it would be interesting to research what places sounded like as well as what they might have looked like so since. Then there's been quite a lot of interesting recreating the sounds of historic periods. And Obviously Belle are fairly loud. Part of the soundscape of historical periods in one research says the three loudest sounds that would have been heard in eighteenth or early nineteenth century town. Were Thunder Cannon Fire and Bell. So they were very distinctive part of urban life. Certainly what is the most surprising thing that you found? I think the thing that would surprise most people is that out of the ten thousand dual so occasions. I found the bills. Were run there are none working for church services. That's not strictly true as one occasion. Rut At the end of my period when they rang. Fool the service for the assize judges arriving but for regular Sunday services change ringing was simply not a part of what happened so every church in Cambridge employees sexton or sometimes a specified bell ringer. And what they would do. Is they would chime a single bell before services and thinking Cambridge Sydney Great Saint. Mary's that doesn't seem to have changed until about nine hundred. Twenty eight so when we talk about bell ringing being part of the service of the church actually. That's quite modern view of what they were for. If you ask people in the eighteenth and nineteenth century they were kind of announcement so secular activities. What caused that range partly? I think there was a change. In the Church of England in terms of it becoming more concerned to be seen as immoral overtly religious organization. I mean Peres. In the eighteenth and nineteenth century had lots of civic responsibilities in addition to their religious ones and boring seems to be part of that kind of civic responsibility rather than their religious one. And there's quite a lot of talk about the BELFRY reform movement in the nineteenth century. The idea that ring is in towers were these terrible. Drunken people who smoked in the CIA never went to church services and generally behave badly. And that's probably an element of truth in that but it's really will. That's probably. How boring is it always behaved? And actually nobody had found that fence evil strange. That was just a way was. They wouldn't expect it to ring purchase services. That wasn't part of what they were there today but as the church changed so the expectations aren't bring his changed. And you said the Bell Rings didn't ring in the period studying for Church Services. But what about weddings did weddings was a very lucrative? Form of ringing for the ringers. Interestingly they don't seem to have started ringing for weddings until about seventeen fifty and it built up very gradually but then peaked in the eighteen twenties and they rank for a lot of weddings but one of the things that after understand about weddings in the eighteenth and nineteenth century is is that they were hardly religious events they went regarded as Sacramento. The church and it was only because legislation and required people to be married in. Church that a lot of people did get married in church so it's hard to see them as religious services and the other thing. Is that the ringing that took place for them which was frequent. Didn't actually happen as part of the service so all ringing weddings and Cambridge happened to sit Mary's even though there are thirteen parish churches so it was people anybody getting married in Cambridge in whichever church. They were getting married if they wanted the bills. Run they would approach the steeple. Keep rates at Mary's and the ring is would ring the bells for the wedding early in the morning. Probably at about six o'clock in the morning weddings up until eighteen hundred six could only take place in church is between nine o'clock and twelve o'clock so the ringing didn't happen either in most of the churches whether weddings happen or at the same time the wedding was happening and in fact about a third of the weddings of the ring is ranked four in Cambridge. Wedding wasn't even held in Cambridge. It was a cambridge person getting married to somebody in some parts of the country. So how did people get to know? What wedding was being rung full? Well that's a very good question so you wake up in the morning and you hear the bells ringing and what are they ringing and I can only assume that people would say what were the bells ringing full this morning and somebody will say oh. I think it was Joan Smith. The attorney little getting married. It must have been done by word of mouth because there was no way of knowing. Necessarily what's ringing was full and a typical year identity but there is a typically but how many times the bells rung again it varied with time but essentially the there were probably being rung somewhere between once every three days and once every four days throughout the year so there was regular ringing four payments at least twice a week and sometimes more frequently than that. I mean when they rang for the elections in eighteen o seven. They rang thirty three times in ten days at two Guinea time. Now the interesting thing about batter causes that you needed people who were available to do that ringing and it was clearly quite an onerous task. Remember the Cambridge's because the way the system works is they employed the steeple keeper at Mary's essentially to activate their secretary that paid employees drumming up business. So if I want to the bells to be rung I would go along to the steeple keeper at the time and say can you ring my son. Who's getting his degree this afternoon. And the STEEPLE KEPA would toll out in other words. He'd ring a bell to warn the ring around the town that they needed to be staple within the hour and that they would then be ringing to be something and then be on them to leave work wherever they would do to turn up. It sounds a bit lot being a volunteer firefighter. And then they'd ring and go away now clearly if you're going to be able to do that and if he didn't turn up you find you needed to have kind of employment that meant you could down tools and gave it any any moment. So we find that interesting collection of occupations among the people who are ringing because they were people who could leave works. I was self employed small tradesmen or they would gentlemen of Leisure. Who had enough money that they didn't need to have to work so one of the things. I'm quite interested in is who these people were that were doing. The rigging and they're quite an interesting collective group of people I think. One of my favorite one solo rather sad is a chap called. Joan deeks now. There are records of John. Jakes before the Cambridge's was formed in seventeen twenty four. He was employed by the church. For example the pick up shots bell metal when the bells were recast. Something twenty two and he seems to be a Condo of Jack of all trades labor. Getting any work that he could he rang in the first peal. Cambridge's rang in seventeen twenty seven so he's obviously a reasonably good ringer but he left the society about six years later and I was wondering why and then I discovered four newspaper reports over about forty years in each of which is reported as having broken his leg. Oh my goodness the same lag. The first time he fell down a ladder while loading ship with grain and then at about ten year intervals than the newspaper reports breaking a leg again and by the time. He's become quite the notable character in Cambridge but he was clearly guess as a result of his injuries on able to rig so he he loves the Kennedys. But it's interesting that the ring is of touch with the people who've been member the salty and captain I out fool them because there were various occasions later where they actually give him some money because he's in need so that acted as kind of pension of is almost for some ring is so he's at one end of the social scale at the other end we get people like Charles Mason. Who was the Professor Fussell's University and Joan battle in the late eighteenth century? Who was the university book binder and he came from humble origins but he he developed quite a trade and when he died he left seven thousand pounds to Brooks Hospital in Cambridge for the building even of a new wing so we had the whole raft of people for the poorest of the pool to really the richest of the rich in Cambridge old taking politics bringing during the nineteenth century. Why did you choose Cambridge to research? Yes it's partly Cambridge's Novus one because I live very close. It also has the best set records for the thing I'm looking at but it's also not just directly in the ring. Has It will say as a rich collection of materials from the churches in university whose accounts exist because the university paid for a lot of ringing events also. The town corporations accounts show the things that they paid for. And that's a pretty good collection of newspapers. Going back to the seventeen forties doesn't quite go back to the beginning of the period. I'm interested in but so good collection of resources local interests from a and I suppose because ringing Cambridge. It's the natural place to be interested. In what sorts of coverage in the papers. Bowring gas. It depended what the ring is fancied telling them so the the report so ringing in Cambridge in the newspaper. Stent to to silts if that was a major event going on like the coronation of king whatever. They often be kind of extended reports on what was happening in Cambridge. To celebrate that event and quite often it had mentioned with the bells ring and the same with Major Events University. They were pointing at you. Chancellor for example that a huge interested in that it'd be people coming from all over the country to take part in it and there'd be extensive reports on that and quite often it would comments on the bells ringing day not just marriage but across the town so that's one thing and then the ring is actually quite liked to blow their trumpets as well so when they rang pails or something that they were proud of all they were invited to go and open a new ring a bell somewhere which is something that happened quite regularly set in the eighteenth century. They almost certainly submitted their own reports to the newspaper and sometimes the newspapers would print them and interesting thing about them is. They never rang anything. That wasn't perfect if you read. The reports they rule is the most fantastic performance mistakes absolutely regular rhythm and judged by expert here is to be a prime example of the art of changing so they liked blowing their own trumpet. Which makes it a difficult to know how good they're bringing actually was just occasionally you get a glimpse of it perhaps wasn't quite as good as they'd like you to think when the bells at various an edmonds were in the seventeen ninety s the Cambridge ring were invited to go and bring them on the opening ring. And I think it's fairly clear that the bells turned out to be more difficult to ring than than you'd expect from a new ring of bells but there were reports in the newspapers off towards the ringing had been terrible in Cambridge had not really been very good at tool which they felt obliged to send a reply saying that it wasn't ready to. I felt it was the fact that obliged lots of ring. Us mother places to rig with a rather than just sticking to their armbands. 'cause they were they were very very proud of their reputation and went to great legs to defend it. Yes I described you`ll. Pat Overseas Covering Cambridge. Just out of interest. Do you have a feel for whether that Patten would have been the same era around the country or no? I think there is evidence that certainly in large towns that may well have been a similar patent research that's been done in. Norwich for example shows that the ring is were regularly paid for reading. But I don't think that's quite the same depth of sources that to be sure exactly how much they were paid. But I'd be surprised if it wasn't something similar. Cambridge is slightly unusual because the university was quite a big soul. So income for the ringers and oversee at the time. They're running to universities in the country so it may have been similar in Oxford but really alternating is more research to see whether the things I'm finding Cambridge are replicated in a in a in other parts of the country. Maybe that's something I'll move onto the next. It's I was going to ask you when you expect them to finish. What do you plan to do next? Well I've got a deadline to finish by July and then the plan is to turn the research into a book which may cover a longer period than the one my pitch days covering two thousand twenty four will be the three hundredth anniversary of the formation of Cambridge's so they'll be some Beijing celebrations in the fetus. I thought it'd be nice to have a book about the history of ringing Cambridge ready for that. So that's part of the plan but the research is also made me realize that there are kind of huge areas of bell ringing history. That's really under researched. And if you're listening to this fancies doing some research that's highly recommend it. We often hear about bill for your fool Tokyo earlier. But actually there's been no serious research into Belfry full more. What it meant will white happened. Maybe not scenario time another. Look at can you just briefly describe what belfry reformers? Yes I can try. So in the about this eighteen forties. There began to be some concern. That Bell ringers were a rather disreputable group of people. And they weren't church services and they were behaving badly and getting drunk now. This picture of Bell ringers was largely Conde promoted by a relatively small number of Cheshire England. Clergyman who world sarunas. So it's difficult to know whether their assessment of what it was like was really very accurate but what they tried to do was to reorganize bans so that they had a more direct connection to the service of the Church and they introduced rules full bands. That involved no swearing no drinking and Soham and it also indirectly led to the formation of lot of the county associations have bring us from the eighteen sixties. Most of them had as part of their aims. Belfry fool to try and improve. The standing of the ring is and see make bringing more partners. Church difficult to know is whether or not the publicity that this relatively small group of people got was actually an accurate reflection of what was happening and for my view whether anything really changed as a result it was a lot of talk about Belfry or fool. It's not always entirely clear that anything much changed from the towers that you regularly ring at. What's your favorite ring of bells on? Why well this is a difficult one? There are so many Nice rings bells. But I suppose you always have to have a Econo- self spot for the tally rang at so so I suppose I'd have to for Debris Essex where I learned to ring and what remarkable things happen to you. That wouldn't have happened if you hadn't taken it bell ringing. I think my whole life would have been different. I certainly wouldn't admit Leslie. Yeah that's probably the defining moment ringing career so I think everything everything closed from that we wouldn't we wouldn't have met apart from bringing in our show. That's true of lots of other people do it. You Take Party ring. Thank you to my guests. Gareth Davies for fascinating insight into his PhD research. On how important it was for the Cambridge ringers to get paid. So what do you think about this? Podcast it'd be great if you could answer the short survey. It said bit dot L. Y. Forward Slash F. WB twenty twenty F- WBZ down for on with bells. So that's a bit dot L. Y. Forward Slash after you be twenty twenty to help us know what we're doing right and to let us know if you have any ideas on what we could do differently in the future more information photographs and links can be found in our show notes at www dot fund with bells dot Com. I'm Cathy booth. This podcast was put together by team. Special thanks go to Anton St Thomas and John Gwynn Leslie. Belcher Sue Hall Nick Boyd and the Society of Cambridge us for the recording of their ringing there are openings for other roles within the production team. Contact me at fun with bells. 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Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

Cross Examined Official Podcast

50:00 min | 1 year ago

Major Moral Argument Mistakes (Part 1)

"It does truth exists because you have faith does that make this book does God exist so when someone says there is no truth if you apply the claim to itself what should you say is that true they don't think Christianity through their talked out of it about what happened last week politically with regard to Bego Rourke who is a Democrat candidate for president on CNN last week or earlier this week saying that churches who are not toeing the line who Ben Shapiro wrote about it at Fox News over at Stream Tom Gilson wrote about it. Here's what Shapiro said failing are God's commands based on God's desires are they based on God's authority or something else and can't evolution explained nonprofit status should be removed from churches that refused honor same-sex marriages work simply said yes and he then went on to explain this here's what he said there can be no reward out by the way I'm reading from Ben Shapiro Column and now this is a candidate who admits that he will seek to bankrupt virtually every tradition tradition galaxy do changing views on morality mean there is no objective morality because our morals changed generation to generation in some areas Christians that are GonNa take through this program another question can human beings construct an objective moral standard independent of God Additional Institution Religious Institution in America when asked at a CNN democratic townhall regarding L G P D Q issues about whether or not spend arm and removing those weapons this is a candidate who suggests that abortion one day before full-term is a constitutional right and and what about moral dilemmas today show that morality is relative and there are many other questions that were posed by a letter this attorney wrote me the an email he wrote me and we're GONNA get to it a little bit later in the program but before we get to those questions we have to at least say something who who will who will not agree to same sex marriage can no longer be considered tax exempt if he's the president in fact many people wrote about this rush and for some reason maybe as Hispanic blood on his mother's side I don't know but some some people thinks he he's Hispanic whatever but anyway he came out and the benefit no tax break for anyone or any institution any organization in America that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us on right and wrong I got an email from a retired attorney that suggested that any fact he suggested many other quests I don't know where it comes from I don't know why that that name Beta where it comes from but I think his name is Robert Francis or something like that he's he's obviously it appears anyway I pain is on the precipice of collapsed Bego has banked on one policy radical honesty and that means he's now saying the quiet part of the Progressive Agenda Attic presidential candidate Baidoa work by the way saying he's failing because I think he's less than five percent in the polls is raging against the dying of his political light desperate at alone is oh cloud this is a candidate who openly claims hill the hill come take America's guns although he then pretends this won't involve the police acting as an and so as president we are going to make that a priority and we're going to stop those or infringing upon the rights of our fellow Americans Unquote Shapiro goes on to say this state with Doctor Frank Turek does the moral argument ladies and gentlemen depend on everyone a green it is insanely radical it suggests that the mere presence of religious institutions that dissent from the left's political orthodoxy the show editing of marriage is based both on historic natural law and traditionally religious precepts but according to a rourke the the social left's political orthodoxy cannot be tolerated it is not an infringement on rights for free associations of religious people to deny the I think Shapiro has to in fact here's Shapiro says in expectation of precisely this sort of logic I endorsed libertarian position on same sex with almost everything Ben Shapiro says I don't agree with this why here's why why does the government need to be involved in marital may ask you this ladies and gentlemen marriage get government out of the entire business of marriage in March two thousand thirteen two years before the Supreme Court case now let me stop right here. Instance of such institutions amounts to an infringement Shapiro goes on to say this move by a rourke was utterly foreseeable in fact I've been talking about this for for years to force that man to pay for his dependence and so the government has to be involved in marriage to protect women and children so as nice as it sounds exempt status religious Americans I predicted this is Shapiro speaking we'll be forced into violating their beliefs or facing if a husband decides he's going to leave his wife and six kids and not give them any support he's gonNA run off with the secretary or something do you think the church legal consequences by the government the first amendment guarantee of religious liberty will largely become obsolete at the time this was considered over the top now it's a mainstream democratic position and the column goes on you can read about it just search for Ben Shapiro sure the synagogue can enforce them to pay child support and alimony. No the Church and a synagogue can't do that only the government has the power result states being forced to recognize same sex marriages public schools being forced to teach its morality and religious religious institutions losing do is a violation of that First Amendment in fact the the oft of quoted separation of Church and state you know is to say well let's just get get the government out of marriage and that way we won't have these conflicts it doesn't work in practicality because only the government can really churches at the threat basically of bankruptcy that if you don't agree with us we are going to hurt you you say well nobody nobody is guaranteed Beta will rourke wants to bankrupt virtually every traditional religious institution in America this was dated what was it dated let me see the seventeenth in of Church and state it was a one-way wall that prevented the government from interfering in church precisely what Beta will roy wants to do he wants to tell force people to live up to their commitments. Anyway here's what Shapiro says I wrote at the at the time that any federal cramp down of same sex marriage tober anyway yeah now this is what is going on now the First Amendment protects freedom of speech obviously freedom of association much for partnering with me on this welcome back to cross examine well actually in the constitution it's in a letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists because the Danbury baptists were worried that the government was going to infringe on the had the right to tax exempt status I'm Gonna I'm GonNa explain what Tack Wide Churches have tax exempt status right here after the break but the point here is that in freedom of religion these things are protected by the First Amendment now to say that the government is going to force a religious institution to do what it wanted ladies and gentlemen can you help me with something can you help me get this podcast before more people not only tell your friends about it but go up to I tunes and put a five it might actually do that because look their religion of sex as I've been saying for years is a religion of the sword in other words if you don't agree with what Baidoa rourke wants to watch the US government power to infringe on religious belief and religious practice that is a clear violation church not that the church was going to infringe on the government the founders wanted the church to be the moral conscience of the government they wanted religious people of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and this is why some other Democratic candidates who are a little wiser than him said we can't go there but it'll be interesting to see view don't adhere to what we believe if you don't attend our same sex wedding as a florist or as a photographer as a caterer if you don't do what if if other Democratic candidates line up with what a rourke says a couple of them have said no they don't but who knows if they become president quite a bit normally we're talking about evergreen topics actually this is an evergreen topic the first amendment but we're discussing it in the context of a current event being updated if you want this podcast you have to get the I don't have enough faith to be an atheist feed or you can just get the cross examined APP two words in the APP store but you can go back and listen to shows that are five years old and they're still evergreen because we're most of the time we're talking about evidence for Christianity or attacks against he wants you to do we will hurt you this is not live and let live friends this is you see it our way for we will hurt you you don't care about this be made to Care Ladies Gentlemen that's what's going on now why churches and other institutions tax exempt why is that we're going to talk about it right after the break and then later in the program and now we're talking about tax exempt status why our churches and other charities tax exempt perhaps the biggest reason they are tax exempt is because US examples it has all the podcasts on it and in fact it even goes back way before the itunes feed goes a two days from now what is that October twenty first let's see October twenty first Monday night now it's going to be late if you live on the east coast because I think we're starting at six you a list and this is not an exhaustive list a list of benefits that churches and other religious institutions the Saints Do Ministry we get a lower crime rate a lower suicide rate less abuse less abortion less homelessness less loneliness watch it or you can go to our youtube channel you can go to our facebook page you can go to our website and the stream will be up there when you wake up in the morning so if you WanNa see any of that you can for military families pregnancy care adoption orphan care HIV AIDS Care Pornography Addiction services personal and family counseling as they serve the community more effectively and more personally than any government program ever could let me just give because people are in community church less hunger we alleviate problems for the poor these are all things that churches and our our calendars up there you can watch when we stream event in fact going to be up at the University of Alaska at Anchorage Monday night this Monday night Christianity and how to cross examine them and refute them so get our APP The cross examined up there's a lot on there there's also a quick answer section the TV show is streamed religious institutions can do better than the government can so by forgoing the government or by by the government for now calling this podcast I don't have enough faith to be an atheist because it sets Mork and if you've noticed that the cross examined feed on Itunes is no longer problems they couldn't alleviate these problems like the church can what else do churches do will they provide mental health counseling they provide substance abuse help they provide healthcare education assistance thirty anchorage time would be would be like ten thirty eastern time and of course QNA will probably start around midnight eastern time but if you're an INSOMNIAC you can in tax taxing churches they get a much greater benefit than if they tax churches and tried to use that money themselves to alleviate the children they have literacy programs they have prison ministries and re entry into society they care for seniors they have drama art music events faster relief how many people right now over in the Bahamas helping disaster relief churches and Para Church organizations are doing that for some or some organization that goes in helps people like that that money gets right to the people this is why the government says look tax money can't do it as effectively as ministries and churches can when you give your money to a church or Samaritans per star review on the I don't have enough faith to be easiest podcast if you do that it will help us move to podcast up charge so more people will hear it thank you two info didn't want was the government to influence religion Gordon influence churches that's why he used the phrase the separation the churches do ladies and gentlemen the government can't do all these things and they can't do it as efficiently as as churches can employment workshops premarital counseling fitness these are all things that church's provide and it's a great reason why government says look we're not going to tax you because you do so much some of the reasons that churches and other religious institutions and educational institutions get tax exemptions in fact did you know that most private those moral questions back this is going to be a two parter we'll continue this next week I'm frank turn you're listening to I don't have enough faith to be an atheist on the air for Talk Radio Network back into they've outcomes because they have a doctrinal opposition to same-sex marriage are you kidding me you shouldn't Akkad goes has shows on there that are two three four five years old and look most of the shows we do our evergreen right now we're talking about a current event we don't do that Community Sports Leagues single-parent Help Factors Church I was at not long ago the head autocare for single MOMS and widows the all the all the Oh Grams Homeless Care Housing personal coaching in personal training for the homeless and persons in recovery camps for intercity and other needy youth a lot of liberal churches do these things to and Baidoa rourke thinks that it's a good idea to stop all these PAS The saints to do ministry equip the saints to do ministry and Win The Saints Do Ministry who are the saints those are people that go to Churchill's or Christians actually bring to civilization other than salvation and discipleship right what what is the purpose of church according to a Fiji for efficient for to acquit it's much more efficient and it's much better for our civilization to give churches and other organizations tax exempt status churches elite community cleanup initiatives they give legal aid they they help alleviate or help prevent sexually trafficked women that he's GonNa stop all those positive effects done by churches in fact I'm not just talking about conservative churches a lot of chemically inclined men would come to church and if you're a single mom or a widow and you had a problem with your car bring it there that day and they'll see about fixing it clothes closet weddings they wanna do they are going to hurt you I mean what was it ten years ago Oh we just what religious sects we just want marriage equality now ten years later anywhere near the White House friend it's crazy absent it's it's just political correctness run amok funerals seminars that strengthen marriages help for persons with disabilities meals and food services for the poor mentorship for students these are all things great ministry ministry programs that they're paying for because they got to pay Uncle Sam really know very bad idea which is exactly oh encourage education has politically charged as some of these universities are most of them are the government still says it's okay we're not gonna tax you good that we can't do that it's much more efficient for you to do it it's a good thing also to provide religious and moral instruction that's the reason and that's what this is this is futile thinking but the religion of sex must have its way it's a religion of the Sword Ladies and Gentlemen Tax Free to churches giving would go down which would be a double whammy they couldn't pay their taxes and they couldn't pay their staff and they couldn't pay for their building and they couldn't pay for all these gene property taxes on churches I'll tell you a lot of churches in urban areas would go under immediately they couldn't they couldn't afford to pay it and especially that if people couldn't give money for the common good and yet Baidoa rourke thinks because at church doesn't WanNA recognize or participate in a same sex marriage I says and he's not here to defend himself so it's makes no sense for me to give you his name but here's what he wrote an apparently he's a believer because he starts at this way even to be salt and light not tax exempt okay so well if it goes away it goes away it's GonNa make things harder but still you're called to be salt and light not tax exempt Russian explain morality what about changing views on morality does that mean there is no objective morality and what about moral dilemmas you put somebody on a life raft a bunch of people a matter of human opinion so we're not talking about God just saying do this do that what we're saying is there's a standard of goodness righteousness and justice yes and that's God's nature God's nature doesn't exist those immaterial values those immaterial of virtues don't exist now since sorry for that rant I had to say something about that now let's get into the questions that I started with does the moral argument depend on everyone agreeing on right and wrong has a believer I have difficulty following the argument you often make that non-believers have no objective standard for asserting moral claims sure a believer can point what the Apostle Paul says in Romans chapter one that if you suppress the truth long enough due to sexual sin you're going to be engaged in futile thinking remember ancient Israel got the old covenant everybody else got the New Covenant and as we've talked about on this program before many Shen but his moral commands that comes through the New Testament and natural law which by the way are meant for the entire world not just ancient Israel feeling to authority. Here's here's what I'd like to say about that authority is not the heart of the argument goodness -Is God's nature nick it can only hold four people and if you keep five on it they're all going to die what do you do Oh moralities relative then is that really true well here I got this letter from a retired attorney authorities but his goodness in other words he's not pulling rank and saying and do this merely because I said so he's saying he's he said the ground and standard of goodness righteousness and justice without an external standard beyond human beings everything is merely here's the problem atheist materialism has no standard of goodness I mean if all that exists are molecules as the atheist claim that's all it is now look if the government decides at some point it takes away to take away your tax exempt status remember one thing you're in public universities are tax exempt as well now there most of those are leftist organizations but their tax exempt as well because the government decided that they want human beings construct an objective moral standard independent of God are God's commands just based on God's desires are they based on his authorities there's something else there based on can't so much wrong with this that's going to be hard for me to cover it all before the break but I'll start first of all the last sentence he says the logical fallacy of there's no answer to that why because justice is not made a molecules but if you're a materialist at you believe in justice you have to somehow explain it by molecules and it can't be then how do you get something called goodness righteousness or justice you can't that's why I ask atheists debate how much carbon is in the justice molecule here and you're just appealing to authority when you say God said do this and do that in my point is no we're not just appealing to authority of course God has God but to a non believer that's no standard at all God doesn't exist the nonbelievers will say the believer has simply moved the opinion I'm going to read this letter this email in stages and I'm going to respond to each stage now I'm not going to give you the name of this gentleman because I'm going to disagree with almost everything this the laws of the Old Testament were just for ancient Israel they were not the ideal for all time however his natural law and the laws of the New Testament are Mike articles online courses free downloadable materials event calendars in more at cross examined dot org coming up one level it's your opinion non-believer would say that God exists and your opinion that God's decrees providing objective standard for morality to a non believer that's all non Jio network and of course the podcast and by the way thank you so much for putting the positive reviews up there on the fate to be an atheist podcast sense the believer is simply committing the logical fallacy of appealing to authority in this case to an authority the non believer doesn't even believe exists all right now authority but that's not why he saying do X. and don't do why he's not saying don't murder because I said so he saying don't murder he and his the first section of this email was trying to say that well God is just an opinion of most people I do this because it is good it's an accord with my nature and as the greatest being who knows all things it's what's best for you and Mike Creation I tunes page or wherever you listen to podcasts that really helps us move it up the charts where more people can hear it okay we're talking about a email I got from a retired attorney nations growing your knowledge of God and become a better defender of the Christian faith also don't forget to subscribe to our Youtube Channel where we have hundreds of videos and wait what would happen to many churches if states and the Fed started taxing the state started Leveille easy for me to say Levy all time anyway let me restate the sentence because I didn't finish it his moral commands it comes through the New Testament in natural law aren't derived from his it is the greatest of all beings he is all knowing and he's the Creator and sustain her of everything that exists he has authority over all of his create one hundred thousand subscribers that are part of all nine family finals by searching for Frank Tarik or pros examined the search bar you can find many more resources welcome back to I don't have enough faith to be an atheist with frank curricula in the American family radio and it's you find value in the content that is podcast don't forget a follow on Instagram facebook twitter join our online community to have great you know why because they've never been talked into it cross examining skeptical and view welcome to cross examine Blaine that's why he is a world view that cannot actually explain why reality is the way it is all right I'm Frank Turk don't go away we're back in just to stick materialism has no standard of goodness atheist like all people know goodness but they have no way to justify it in fact because a human being is made in my image and is inherently good and so you shouldn't kill innocent people on the other hand atheist APPs thank you and God bless aac made when atheists say or nonbelievers say that they can explain morality without God they confuse knowing morality which is a pissed Amal Adji with the actual existence of morality or standard which is oncology and times before I got it maybe ten times before I can teach it repetition is the mother of skill most of us if you listen to something quarterback throwing an interception in other words someone set the purpose of the game and the rules but if there is no purpose or rules the goal of the game you know there's a purpose to the game if there was no purpose to the game you couldn't say that touchdown was better for your team then here is there is no ultimate purpose to life if God does not exist and even Richard Dawkins and other atheists will admit this moral things but they just have no way to ground what goodness is this is what justices if there's no god everything's just a matter of opinion I mean if all that exists materials how do you explain goodness righteousness and justice you can't they're not made materials so atheists can no you go man that was good but I can't remember what was said so repetition is important let's say a football game here's the illustrate then you can have objective morality you need purpose for objective morality to exist let me give you an illustration of this and I've said this before doc goodness righteousness injustice they just have no explanation for why those things exist right so that's my first thing I'd like to say to this Asian how do you know that your quarterback throwing a touchdown is better than your quarterback throwing an interception you know that touchdown is better than an interception because you unpack this later let me just briefly say it here atheists can no right and wrong they can be good people in the sense that they can we'll say there is no purpose we just dance to our DNA in fact Dawkins has famously said there's no good there's no evil there's no justice there's just blind was he is goodness and he knows what's good for us and atheists have no way of grounding or explaining why goodness exists the second thing I'd like to say his eddy listen difference and DNA just is and we dance to music so there's no right or wrong and there's no ultimate purpose but if there's no ultimate purpose are no good or bad plays there are no good or bad place from a pragmatic perspective or good or bad place from a moral perspective if there is no purpose gentlemen's suggesting that we're just appealing to authority no we're not God is in a thorny figure but the reason he's issuing commands to us is not just it's not just because I said so it's because percent unless something really hit you like an impact event then you might remember it forever sometimes there's a Ha moments which you never forget but the rest of it it's and I'm going on a tangent here but it's important if you listen to to something wants within a week of what you listen to you might remember two percent of it for all sorts of different things but there's no overarching purpose and what happens if your purpose interferes with somebody else's purpose how do you are assist as even atheists will admit there's no ultimate purpose to life enhance no right or wrong way to live now that's not to say you can't come up with your own personal purpose of course can people live there has to be a purpose for you to say this is good good behavior and this is a bad behavior here's the problem if God doesn't in fact I say a lot of things several times somebody say well you know you're saying the same thing if I do say the same things over and over again why because repetition is the mother of skill I need to hear something five or six is goodness righteousness and justice so why we can come up with our 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Vaping Sickness, Teaching Science. Aug 30, 2019, Part 2

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Vaping Sickness, Teaching Science. Aug 30, 2019, Part 2

"Science friday is supported by indeed dot com. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using being an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash podcast. That's indeed dot com. Slash podcast science friday is supported by ibm. The m smart is open. Open is smart i._b._m. Is combining their industry expertise with the open source leadership of red hat. Let's unlock the world's potential. Let's put smart to work learn more at i._b._m. Dot com slash red hat <music> listener support w. n._y._c. studios. This is science friday i am i replied oh coming to you today from the studios a. w. s. h. u. In fairfield connecticut over ten million american american adults vape or smoke electric cigarettes and in fact e cigarettes are also the most popular tobacco product among teenagers in the united states. Some of them are marketed with bright colors and fun on flavors like chocolate cruelly and mint or they're advertised as a healthier alternative to regular cigarette smoking but last week doc one person died from a mysterious lung illness linked to vaping and across the country and dozens of states from utah to wisconsin to illinois illinois. Hundreds of people have been hospitalized because of this unknown illness. The c._d._c. is still investigating the cause but the illness is raising questions questions about the health effects of growing smoking trend and how it should be regulated anna maria barry gesture is a senior correspondent for kaiser health with news. She's been reporting on this illness and the vaping industry and we want to welcome her to science friday. Welcome thanks for having me. Can you describe the illness forest. What are the symptoms. How does it progress yeah. It's a little bit different in different patients but right now. We know that it's a very serious illness as you said somebody when person in illinois illinois died and it can take on a variety of forms of several people have been ill for many weeks by the time they're presenting with pneumonia like symptoms in trouble breathing things. Some people have lost incredible amounts of weight. You know ten twenty forty pounds and had incredible <hes> g._i. Distress before they before they even showed up with problems breathing now. What about the treatments. How are they treated well because the so far all these cases don't seem to be infectious. They're treating the most successful treatment has been with steroids sort of essentially to reduce inflammation and treat the pneumonia. We'll we'll some people have permanent lung damage. That's unclear you're some people so far do continue to have reduced lung function. Other people seem to have made pretty miraculous recoveries so it'll be some time before we know exactly what the long-term effects we'll be and what we when was the first case of this report so this outbreak is being defined as cases that started in late june until you know the present wasn't there have been cases reported in the medical literature in the past that sort of appear to be very similar to what's going on right now dozens of cases in journals and medical all conferences that sort of thing but this particular outbreak is <hes> starting in late june and what do investigators know about the cause of this so they haven't said much just this morning. The c._d._c. gave us a little bit more information. Several of the cases are linked to vaping cannabis products that were sold on the black market others others. Don't seem to be other people have reported just vaping nicotine base and products so there's a lot of there's not much clarity. There and people are are pretty anxious for more information on that front and have we ever seen something like this before. I mean these products are very new in a sense so the they've been around for a decade or so in the united states but the the trend of kind of mass usage that we have right now is only a few years old as i said there have been cases reported in the past but we haven't seen something like this with many many cases at once and how is vaping regulated right now. That's a great question and it's very complicated. It involves multiple administrations lots of lawsuits <hes> right now according to the commissioner of the f._d._a. Scott gottlieb who sort of the last person who had the ability to regulate e cigarettes. They're regulated by companies must label them as potentially addictive. They can't be sold to kids under twenty under eighteen in two thousand one in some states companies must comply with manufacturing standards but it is sort of complicated regulatory history originally the f._d._a. Tried to prevent them from being imported to the united states several e cigarette manufacturers sued them said these are not drug delivery devices there for you can't regulate them a judge ruled on his side and said that site excuse me of the companies and said that if they aren't selling them association devices tools to help quit smoking then then they must be regulated related tobacco products are there. Are there any cities or states taking action on preventing more of these cases while the cds investigating. Yes many and i should should add that companies are being required to submit market applications basically to sell these products by next year so there is a is a regulatory process. That's now underway. There are places all over the country that are looking to do their own kinds of regulation so san francisco is definitely one of these other parts of the bay area. There are other states as well and it. It has created this very weird situation where there are places in the country where there's limitations on e cigarettes but not tobacco so you can buy you you can buy traditional cigarettes but there's limitations e cigarettes. It's it's a very strange and complicated regulatory space right now. We're in unchartered territory of this well. Thank you very much for taking time to be with us today. Good luck thank you anna. Maria barry gesture is a senior correspondent for kaiser. Health news hit a tell us more about the health effects of vaping and answer. Your questions is dr frank leoni. He's professor of medicine and the director of comprehensive smoking treatment program at the university university of pennsylvania welcome to science friday. I thanks so much for having me. Let's just start with the basics about what vaping is how it's different than you know cigarette smoking walking in general right so the device actually uses a heating element a across which you draw a solution of various organic ganic chemicals including nicotine and other flavourings the heat causes a chemical reaction in that solution and aerosolize is the solution <hes> you breathe that in some of the <hes> constituents of the aerosol or absorbed by the body <hes> and then you're x._l. The remainder out out into the environment that exhaled a bit is a concentrated <hes> <hes> propylene glycol which actually gives it the look of artificial smoke and so how is it different. How is this smoke different from a traditional cigarette and its effect on your lungs right the traditional. All cigarette uses <hes> the sort of solid tobacco <hes> you combusted at heat through flame. The heat releases a lot of the constituents constituents in both vapor and particle form that you inhale that the one of the <hes> sort of promising elements of electronic cigarettes. When do i introduce was that you don't have to use combustion and generally speaking the products of combustion are highly variable and there's a lot of carcinogens is in in combustion products. <hes> the hope was that by not relying on flame but instead just simply applying heat beat you would end up with a lot fewer of these toxic elements. Um that's turning out in some respects. That's true this far fewer carcinogens in in general on average in electronic cigarette aerosol <hes> but there's a lot of different chemicals and a lot of different sort of physical attributes of the aerosol that are coming home to roost at this point unintended unexpected consequences. That's right <hes> how could vaping causing illness just like the kind that we're seeing now. One of the lungs primary responsibilities is to protect us from the outside world right. The lungs are one major organ in the body. That's indirect contact with the outside environment and so on the lungs are highly vascular very rich and blood supply and when on <hes> bits of the outside world enter into the inside world and become a threat to the inside world. The lungs have to respond by allowing by activating activating this inflammatory cascade. It's a complicated set of responses that include recruitment of white blood cells to the area leaky capillaries is to sort of trying wall off the part of the lung. That's being exposed to this potential toxicants and so what we're seeing right now is the lungs essentially a protective active response that the lung <hes> is using to try and keep whatever's going on outside outside and not let it get inside the the problem is is is that the you can imagine that this inflammatory cascade has to have a sort of the gas pedal and the brake pedal has to have a pro inflammatory <hes> set a components but it also has to be able to regulate how far that inflammation goes and in some folks a lot of the variability that annamaria was talking about about is because some folks don't have <hes> the brakes don't get applied soon enough and so this unregulated or <hes> unopposed. I should say inflammatory cascade that ends up causing illness. You know speaking with you now you. You don't seem surprise then to <hes> yeah yeah <hes> i'm. I'm really not surprised them. I'm disappointed wish it weren't happening. I feel bad for the children. The patients and their families who are surprised but this is the syndrome that <hes> annamaria described as actually reasonably common response to all kinds of things all kinds of attacks from the outside world at the lung has to endure so at the opener you mentioned <hes> you know infections bacterial infections pneumonias house we sometimes see this kind of response <hes> in <hes> with pneumonia or a viral infection for most of us when we deal with these threats threats. It's self limited. It's more or less trivial with as a bit of a cough may be some shortness of breath louise and we get over it <hes> but if the the amount of toxic is you know if there's a big bolles of toxic and that's introduced into the long and the long is in the wrong place at the wrong time. The potential exists for this <hes> inflammatory response to go on unabated. Some people have said that this illnesses pop possibly related related to <hes> t._h._c. cartridges. What do you think of that explanation. Well you know. I can't say that the t._h._c. is not <hes> related did but a point that a couple of things people have been aerosolize ing t._h._c. in the former marijuana or vaporisers really for a very long time and and and we don't see this syndrome purely in response to t._h._c. so if the t._h._c. is related it has to have something to do with the way the t._h._c. the h._c._c. interacts with this device the way the device heats up the t._h._c. the the solution that the t._h._c. has to be deluded in <hes> <hes> the size of the particles of that are delivered to the lung the temperature of the particles all those things matter <hes> and so. I think think it's first of all too early to blame t._h._c. There's a lot of cases in this cohort. That's being described now that were not exposed exposed to t._h._c. There was no discernible t._h._c. in the blood so that's number one but number two. It can't just be about the t._h._c. It has to be about the device in the way. The t._h._c. is deliver. We're talking about the health effects of vaping with my guest dr frank leoni he's professor of medicine and director of the comprehensive smoking treatment program at the university of pennsylvania. You can tweet us at scifi s._e._i. F. r. i if you'd like to <hes> uh submit some questions <hes>. This is really interesting stuff <hes>. Let's go to some reaction that we've gotten from the web. Oh meat from iran asked asked this question through our science friday vox pop since i'm a non smoker i want to know if they ping has any bad faked on my health yeah can you can you internet. Yes oh so far <hes> all we really have good sort of observational series. There's no words we watch over a big group about thirty five hundred people over the course of several years and look to see what happened to their health in one of four conditions either people who didn't inhale anything tobacco or e cigarettes people use e cigarettes alone people who use tobacco alone people who use both and it turns out that of course as you would imagine the group that had the least symptoms either respiratory cardiovascular symptoms were those that didn't use anything folks that used electronic cigarettes were next up they were less than cigarettes but more than nothing and folks that use both were the worst so some somehow it turns out that a lot of adults who use electronic cigarettes are also using tobacco at the same time and that's probably the worst situation the <hes> exposure to both the tobacco smoke and the electronic cigarette aerosol seems to have some sort of synergistic or additive effect affect a are people who are around it secondhand smoke from smoker they just as vulnerable yes so there's nothing different about <hes> vape aerosol that <hes> you inhale either primarily through the mouth piece or secondarily from after it's been <hes> expired tired from the user <hes> the <hes> you know we don't have a lot of information is not a lot of good data on on people who are consistently or in high concentrations exposed to sort of secondhand <hes> aerosol but <hes> there's nothing different front about roy so we were in effect because we use you know we don't have enough data of doing a long-term giant multimillion person experiment right here with people who vape that's exactly correct. I think that there have been a lot of <hes> folks who have been on either side of this debate <hes> either either for it or against it and have adopted significant sort of advocacy positions in either direction the the problem problem i see from sort of a community or societal point of view is that we are smack in the middle of a large population based experiment and the tragedy will be that someday we will have these answers and it will come down to epidemiologists like those from the c._d._c. wisconsin and illinois to give us the answers says rather than trying to figure out what we're dealing with in advance so that people know have informed <hes> have information with which to make the decision to have another listener question. We got on the science friday vox pop about aping health issue. This one is from jacob in missouri of heard. A lot of people talk about vaping can cause popcorn lung so my question is what is that and how likely are you to get it from vaping leoni so popcorn. Long is an interest it was an interesting epidemiologic kind of events many years ago in the when you go to the the movies or when you open up a package of microwave popcorn the stuff that they used to create the butter flavors not actually butter. It's oil with a compound compound called di acetyl in india seato gives that buttery flavor in that buttery texture <hes> and that smell that we all like so much and what <hes> ebadi meteorologist notices that people in the popcorn butter industry were developing <hes> scarring illnesses in the lung they were developing a lot respiratory symptoms chronic respiratory symptoms and evidence of lung <hes> scarring and destruction and they were able to identify the the exposure as has that dia cdl and it turns out that a lot of the flavor ins- that are used electronic cigarettes when they cross that heating element that we talked about about actually produce pretty significant amounts of dia seal and so even though they haven't been on the market long enough for us to identify popcorn lung in these folks folks. The chances are pretty good that with <hes> consistent long-term exposure. We're gonna see some scarring events. Do you think we need. We need some regulation elation. Oh absolutely yeah. I couldn't agree more with annemarie as point of view. I i know for a fact that the f._d._a. <hes> is there of the right mindset. They want to regulate this. They're smack in the middle of a pretty complicated bureaucratic process. I think that part of the complication has come down to this. <hes> imagined risk benefit ratio you know maybe we can help some people by leaving electronic traffic cigarettes on the market if it helps them to not be smokers that sort of risk benefit calculation i believe is probably changing as we speak and <unk>. Hopefully this series will add some urgency to the regulatory process. Hell we do hope we inform people and they can make informed decisions but dr the only we've run out of time. I want to thank you participant great our thanks so much for your interest here. You're you're welcome. Dr frankly only is professor of medicine and director of the comprehensive smoking can treatment program at the university of pennsylvania. Hello podcast listeners. If you're a woman and you've ever considered making your own podcast or if you do make podcasts or if you think about podcasts or if you're starting a podcast you should come to work it. W._n._y._c.'s podcast festival for for women. The smartest women in podcasting will be sharing how they come up with story ideas how they make money podcasting and how you can do it too. It's all happening on october. Third third and fourth in los angeles register now at work at festival dot com. That's w. e. R. k. it festival dot com one of the biggest problems in marine biology. It's a very basic one. How do you study ocean life. Well some of the oceans most delicate creatures. You have brittle coral miniature squid squishy jellyfish. They can't survive the journey to the lab for further study ready so marine scientists are looking to bring the lab to them and this week scientists report making progress towards that goal with a six fingered fingered robotic gripper. You gotta see this thing. The soft robotic can can can gently catch and release something they'll get as a jellyfish which is ninety eighty five percent water do this without harming it here to tell us how this jellyfish gripper and other software botox or making it possible to build a future underwater water lamp is david gruber professor of biology at college at the city university of new york. Dr gruber welcomed signs friday. Thanks so much pleasure to be here the you're welcome so you're a marine biologist wise it so difficult to study things like jellyfish. I think <hes> we're we do our work. <hes> sometimes a kilometer salaam eter under the ocean so when we're working down there it's really hard to stick our hand out of the submarine and set up on a bench so we've been working over the last several years of designing something with the dexterity of a human hand that we could use underwater and i watched the video of how this was working. It's sort of like a long fingers. You describe it to how it works. Well these these specific sof robotics ultra gentle and they're known own we call them lovingly in the lab as as fettuccini fingers because they look almost like a a piece of fettuccini and <hes> but when you could touch just something with it. They are one tenth of the pressure of the human. I ended resting on the eyeball so they're they're just incredibly gentle. Wow so this allows you to then sort of gently. Hold the jellyfish underwater so you don't have to take it out and then you can study. It studied them that way. Yeah that's exactly correct and this this is a longstanding clever and with the the harvard micro robotics and showing a video at national geographic using in this hard metal claw and i was i was having a hard time working with a sample and rob would who heads that lab kind of came up to me afterwards and started peppering me with questions about what i use to interact with animals and he ended with have you heard of sof robotics and the answer was no. Why can't you just put a jar in there yeah. Why could you okay so what's the drawback to that well. I mean you could put a jar and there there's something known as a a d. Sampler essentially the jellyfish would just fall into the jar and lid would come over and close up on the jellyfish but in that scenario we would still we'll have to bring the animal to the surface do any further work and i think is a marine biologist i i got into marine biology due due to a really deep love for marine marine animals and <hes> an empathy and working with them and something about bringing these animals from the deep sea where they're incredibly beautiful and have this his form and then seeing them as this blob on the surface dead wood is really not satisfying <hes> so this this is a way to to be able to interact and work with animals in their own setting and essentially. We like to not kill them. It's a little bit like giving being them a doctor's checkup where we would come in and we could swab them take their d._n._a. And take physiological measurements we could even three d. scan awesome and print out an exact replica the surface and essentially then open it up and let this jellyfish swim away. It's really amazing have you. Have you gotten to test this new jellyfish gripper out there in real life yet we i feel a little bit like a q. and james bond working with <hes> working with the harvard mike robotics lab where where i tell them a scenario and and i i particularly chose jellyfish just because they're so difficult and when working with this knob i like to to give them just incredible challenges so this animal that almost falls apart in the hand asking them. Can you develop me a soft robot ultra gentle robot that can help me study this animal and not hurt it and we started out at the new england aquarium and we we did our first test there but there's a whole suite of of delicate sof robotic devices that are that are coming out of the the mike robotics lab that are allowing us to to better understand seeing life and and let's talk about this isn't the first robot you've worked on right. There's another underwater the water gripper that also catches delicacy creatures. How does that one work yeah well one of them when we try to come up with the nice names for them so the first one was just called squishy robot fingers and then the next one that you're mentioning with something called a rotary actuated dough decky he drawn which it was kind of a mouthful and what that is it's essentially something it's origami inspired so it starts out as a flat sheet and with if one rotation it turns into a sphere and in this scenario we would approach a jellyfish and we would enclose the jellyfish inside inside this this red device said say as a way to keep it in place and then once we have it in place now the goal is to use these fettuccini cassini ultra gentle fingers to go around it into swab jellyfish and to do any other physiological measurements since four and sort or would you be using these tools during the same dive yeah this. The idea is essentially to one one of the real goals is just to not stress southie animal and to into not hurt it and we try to use tended as many things as we can on the same dive so it's like <hes> it's been a real stepwise process even on the first dive when when i was working with the with with with this laboratory we didn't know if the squishy robot fingers occurs would implode death at depth so we the first one we actually just brought one of these down with us in just took a a camera just to visualize what happened intern and it was fine and you have enough funding for this and people can support it. They make practical yeah. This started out in is a a national geographic innovation challenge grant so it started out as a really a small grant. We we now have an n._s._f. Grant were next year. We'll we'll be going to see an testing this out with the schmidt oceanographic institute so <hes> we're doing okay and it's and what we really love is. Is that how it's catching on that marine biologist really we were using tools from the oil and gas in the military to to do heavy construction underwater water and there's not been a real big effort to design incredibly delicate tools for us so we're slowly seeing this being adopted opted by by other members of the marine biological community. I'm on plato elissa science friday on w._n._y._c. studios. I'm talking david gruber presser biology at the college at city university of new york about his way of <hes> gently catching jellyfish. I'm glad you're getting funding because i don't wanna see you on shark tank trying to get those sharks to protect your jellyfish so see what i did there. Sorry <hes> what are you. What are you most interested. <hes> dr gruber in learning learning from the jellyfish i mean jellyfish are interesting to me just because they're this animal that everybody's experienced everybody. Everybody's seen a jellyfish but we we all have different impressions. Some people reminds them of being stung at a at the beach and it's ruin their vacation. Other people have it as their screensavers enslavers so there this really kind of mysterious alien life forms but they do have superpowers <hes>. There's a molecule by called called green fluorescent protein that was discovered from a jellyfish in the sixties which led to a nobel prize in two thousand eight and that's really revolutionized <hes> experimental biology. How we see the inside of cells we see gene expression. There's another thing about jellyfish. Now is that i'm thinking about about the oldest animals on our planet and jellyfish have they trait and you may have heard of the immortal jellyfish where they once. They're an an adult. They can actually have the capability of reverting back into youth so these animals that are kind of right under our nose just have some of these just incredibly remarkable features that that we can learn more about the features or could it be <hes> some of the biochemicals they have in their bodies that might be of interest to us everything and and it's in it's really about how you know. I think one of the real premise of this of this work is is about how we we approach life and even something as as backwater is a jellyfish is something that we should when we approach and we encounter after this animal that we should we should value it and and try not to kill it as we study it has been around a long time so yep five hundred the million years so so that's the other thing i think of the state of where where humans are and how we're bringing on our own extinction event and here. Is this this mysterious drifting animal out there that has so much to teach us so you think they're gonna outlast the human race what you're saying absolutely you must be working on the next product you know then. You must be working on an improvement. I'll bet there's always i think that's with working so i did this fellowship at it harvard radcliffe fellow where i got to spend a year as a biologist to be a fly on the wall in this robotic lab and it's just include completely impressive in how they work in the dedication and it's build and rebuild and build an even with this ultra gentle fettuccini finger we went through several iterations nations of of fail until we were able to grasp the jellyfish crackling has is most people in science. Failure is an option. Thank you david gruber. Does your taking time to be with us today on your next project and on this one thanks for having me david gruber professor of biology at brooklyn college at the city university of new york. This is science friday. I am i replied oh. You can feel it in the air. The days are getting shorter. There's a break in the heat and everybody body is going back to school and that includes science friday we have a whole team devoted to turning the great science you learned from scifi into resources for school classrooms and other educational settings and this year our education team has been hard at work with a group of dedicated passionate science science teachers and educators crafting a whole set of new classroom resources inspired by science friday interviews articles and videos think of your favorite science lesson from school then imagine hunting archaeological digs for clues about passable relations designing ways to get plastic <unk> out of the oceans were exploring pod digestion complete with simulated poop. Oh yeah these are just a few of the things students can learn hands-on john in new resources from the science friday educator collaborative here with me today. Let me bring the bring them on and rail arosa science teacher at and westside middle school academy in danbury connecticut and a member of this year science friday educator collaborative welcome hi thanks for having me and areas which are education in director for science friday. Hey hey there well the era. Let me start with you. It's that time again. We have our educator collaborative partners. What are they been working. So hard on these educators are like all educators creative <hes> ambitious collaborative people <hes> and so what we've done is really just invited them to work on something that they think would bring science or math alive for their students so they've gotten full creative autonomy the editorial in public and promotional support of science friday behind them and then we just let them free and we let them we got them create whatever they want to for their students andrew when we set you free you decided ready to tackle digital and analog signals and the difference between them which i find really fascinating good. Tell us about that. Is it a difficult topic for an eighth grader to tackle. I don't think it has to be <hes>. They use technology all the time. It's just a matter of them understanding how it works so that's what i really wanted. Let you focus on in my resource is to take the idea of how these signals entr are transmitted and stored made it make them accessible activities for the students and teachers long. Let's talk about how how do you help. Health great eighth graders understand these concepts so for example. One of the first activities i did is just a a simulation activity in which the students actually transmit digital and analog signals. It's a lot like a game so it's great for the eighth graders. It's like as if pictionary and telephone had a baby so that's kind of the game that they're playing and the first person is given a little analog alien so all of the lines around just like an i analog wave would be and they try to copy it as best as they can pass it to the next person they make a copy of the copy and so on until it's been copied about five times and then they get to see how this signal is distorted and how it changes and then they do the same thing with a digital signal alien which is on laid over over a grid so all the lines are very straight at right angles and their co the drawings quantity kind of just like the digital signal so it has has to be on the line and they can see that the transmission of that signal is a lot easier and with less noise and distortion so they see the advantage of digital signals. Yes that's what we would like them to see any anything useful about analog signals showing this. There's also another kind of claim. I'm evidence response activity where they get to think about if there was an endangered bird song that wanted to be recorded would they choose analog or digital so so there's really no wrong answer for that but they need to give me the evidence or give the teacher the evidence to prove that maybe analog is better in this situation because it has to do with sound recordings and you want to maintain the integrity of the recording for the endangered bird you know as as someone who's been doing this for decades and going through the digital age and starting earning the analog age i'm still i'm still mischief are mystified by the beauty of an of an analog signal the way forms that kind of thing do they do. They understand that also the did they see that we do a little bit of <hes> waves for they look a little bit at the digital analog waves but they don't really do you. There's not a lot of sound integration in that area. What what are some of the other things <hes> do other kinds of things. Teachers put together this year. Our students really going to make a pod poop in the classroom. Oh yes we sort of lean back. Nick van acker is an educator out at <hes> lansing michigan at michigan state university see museum and he said no we really can we can we can simulate the entire sorer upon digestion digestive tract and students are gonna use evidence from a variety of existing listing vertebrates. Try to form a hypothesis for how that digestive system is going to work and then they're gonna do it and i said oh no. That's way too gross. Nobody will ever do and he's like no. I've just done it in you. Know we <music> all of our educators test their materials students before we publish so all of them are vetted and he vetted it and he said you know the technical difficulty be had is making sure that we allowed for outgassing thing of some of these bags had that had a simulated digestion going on inside of them so so yes. That's one example. Some of them are trend much more pragmatic matic in this idea of okay well. Let's students real climate projecting data from multiple federal agencies and ask them to establish where they would want their house is to live okay so peter nuts and created this resource and he's <hes> he's really having students go through authentic data to try to make predictions about where mortgage which would be responsible after climate change has had its way with coastlines severe weather drought et cetera so <hes> you know it's it's it's all or nothing. All of these teachers use authentic experiences. All of them are using really robust modeling in their resources. All of them are n._g._s._s. aligned and what <hes> you know one of the things. I loved about andreas resource. That's a great example sample. They're all easy to implement and lukasz to implement so her resource injury. You didn't use a whole lot of computers are expensive analog digital signal signal according to admit use news paper. It was a fully fully offline activity. That was totally rad. I wanted to make it accessible for everyone and in fact these resources that you're making are free educators haters who want to use them right. That's right all free to access on science ready dot com slash educate so and that's that's true of all of our educational resources. They're also low cost to implement and they're designed to be super adaptable adoptable so these teachers have thought really hard about what educators look for when they're adopting your resource and they've made sure that they're going to be easy understand and easy to implement entry. Tell us what a day in your classroom looks like so. I think it's a lot different than what most people may be experienced when they brin school. There's not a lot of lecture anymore. I don't do a lot of notes. It's really about the students and the students learning through activities and learning from each other and figuring out how these processes work on their own so i do a lot of projects in my classroom and a lot of activities where the kids were playing with stuff yesterday was the first day and i had them just play around with these little fortune fish and they got to do many experiments and it just got them thinking and that's really what i want in my classroom i want my students engaged in an activity and thinking about the science behind it. What if a student is engaged are the tools techniques that you you can use. I have a i have a specific student. Who i i really i had him for two years in a row and it it was a struggle for the student to get engaged into science and at the beginning of the last school year i told my students. Let's get a classroom pat. It has to be low maintenance. I don't want it to smell. It's gotta be real easy to take care of love and so they all came up with ideas and this one student came to me he ran to me before school even started and he said missile rosa. I think we should get axel auto. I think that would be a great classroom. Turn pat and i had one of these as a teenager and it is really easy and i said you know what that is. An excellent idea. That's the one we're gonna get and after that. He got really engaged into science. It's mostly for the law but also was just something that he owned it was he took ownership of his learning in the classroom for that but he couldn't do that without you know i'm i'm serious. I i always believe in. I had i had an eighth grade. Mrs feffer kept me interested in science but it was the teacher you who took care of the student and stayed with the students students in i think as a student i understood that and i tried a little harder for that reason you think yeah what's the same thing as being on a baseball football team the coach yeah i i. I want my students to be. I want them to be excited and we have a lot of people who tweeted us about their favorite. <hes> ventures in school with their teachers james sandra writes in high school. My physics teacher had us make roller coasters out of cardboard and tape it had to have one loop two hills and one hundred eighty degree return than stop. We had to do all of the math so that could be built in a real world scenario. That's a nice project. That's great yeah. <hes> of what subjects to students seem to gravitate to the most andrea i again. I think it's anything where they get to play. We're starting with. I unit is physics and we're going to be playing with rockets and we're gonna be playing tug of war and they're still kids their thirteen year old thirteen thirteen years old so they wanna play a. and learn just as much as any other child. I think that's what they gravitate to when they get to be active and they get to be part of the process. I heard that you wanted to start a coding club as a result of participating in the cyprus educator collaborative that's an extra bonus to the program so after doing this coating activity and the technology you know it really is a a topic that we need to prepare students for especially our female students so i am starting a girls who code club this year at westside. I'm really excited about it and i'm kind of jealous of the kids who get do these experiments and activities. I was once skin. It's a long time since i was in junior high school but <music> are there. Any classic experiment that we did that are being taught anymore. Oh boy there are a number of them and i think that's what's been so fun about working with teachers in now right. Is that teachers today do come with a critical lens <hes> to ask whether some of those secret cow experiments that we've carried over through the generations in rations are worth it <hes> and they may not be worth it for a number of reasons one because they're passive so an example or these you know whiz bang demos which can be fun for a moment but they or not enough you know having something explode or having a volcano with baking soda erupt. They might look cool but maybe nobody learns anything. There aren't ways to test hypotheses with that. There aren't used to collect data with that and so i think as we've seen some of those get retired it leaves this gap and curriculum that that innovative teachers are now filling right so they're working on and making sure that we're practicing engineering skills that were practising scientific process skills as we're doing those experiments and that is you know that's a win <hes> right so you i the volcano is my favorite one to get on the case about just because there's so many cooler ways to model lava model pressure and volcanoes. You don't have to do like that but unloads other. We've <hes> we've heard about this. <hes> this chemistry rainbow experiment that should be outlawed right because it it's this idea that you poor <hes> essentially poor accelerate on a bunch small flames with different colored salts and make a rainbow flames. We know this is incredibly dangerous. Besides not really teaching and on anyone anything so <hes> you know we've transitioned to a safer versions ends of experiments where students can explore through inquiry. They're not just watching the sage on the stage. They're really <hes> thinking for themselves driving that experimental process themselves i got a tweet from <hes> live says i almost switched majors due to dr piglet you i w he was so passionate and fun made all the difference <hes> you know then i uh other tweets coming in i had two professors and college who just took us into the woods told us the name of things and now i have a plant biology. I'm a entry teaching different teaching science different than it was when you were in grade school. I think the enthusiasm of the teacher hasn't changed and just like the people who have written in. I'm here because i had a great a._p. Bio teacher and great college professors who were enthusiastic about <hes> science and about learning and i think that's that's that hasn't changed about science education but a lot of the other mechanics have a little bit <hes> <hes>. Do you think it's harder to teach the concept. Students are required to learn now area. That's an interesting question and i you know it kind of goes back to this issue even if technology and how scientists advancing thing really quickly scientists advancing faster than it ever has before and so they decide notion that oh we're going to have to keep up and teach more and teach harder is is is a is kind of misguided. I think is <hes> as we discussed rate like it's it's not about teaching them content. It's about teaching them how to think about information how to process information dan and how to how did it go through this process of collecting evidence to justify a theory an idea hypothesis so you're what we're seeing change and and what's really what's really exciting about teaching right now. It's this. It's this totally different approach. It's let's teach them how to think not teach them what to know about. I niagara f- later this is science friday from w._n._y._c. studios talking about teaching science and this is science fridays educator collaborative. We're talking about. Here's a here's a really interesting tweet that came in. I had a chemistry teacher in grade nine that made a supersaturated solution of copper sulfate and then dropped a tiny crystal so of same in and it all came out into one big blue crystal before our eyes. It helped solidify my interest in materials science. I almost cried cried beautiful and with a good pun hidden in there that's outstanding so you'll i think these experiences. I hope that every student leaves leaves their k. twelve experience with those types of experiences and so you know i can't reiterate this enough either this court that we have of educators as made up of classroom from teachers but also inform museum educators government agency educators camp instructors all these people are creative professional's who their whole purpose purpose their thing they get out of bed in the morning for is to encourage people to have those experiences to get really excited about science and so <hes> go meet an educator and talk talk to them 'cause they probably have some really cool thing they can share with right now. Are you excited about going back to school. I am really excited. One of my students asked me yesterday on the first day of school. After after our routines he said miss larosa. I do have a question. What are you most excited to teach us this year and that made me cry a little bit but i also it made me think about what what that actually means and i think if they're excited and they're you know involved in their own learning and choosing their own adventure of what they want their education action to be then. That's what's exciting for me a new every year you get new students and it is pretty exciting. Let's all the time we have today. It's great on <music>. Welcome you know everybody who's going to join a collaborative van and aerial. How do we get involved in this. We want to join the collaborative. Well applications open just after your thanksgiving. Thanks giving turkey so come. Check us back november. <hes> in the meantime you can stay in touch at science friday dot com slash educate sign up for a newsletter see the resources that come out and that's where we'll post that application when it opens for in the fall i wanna thank on my guests aerials itch education director for science friday andrea rosa science teacher at the westside middle school who'll academy and danbury connecticut and a member of this year's science friday educator collaborative thank you thank you your work and you can see all of this year's classroom resources his publishing throughout the fall right there on our website at science friday dot com slash educate quick program note we want to we want to hear your voice as we we say every week on science friday. We have new app to help us do that. It's called saif r- science friday vox pop science friday vox pop. Let's you easily record. Share share your voice comments with us. We might even play them on the radio. 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