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Psychic vs. David C. Smalley
"Please join me in welcoming Michael Bodine. PODCAST Michael Jordan Myth Hey how you guys doing nice to hear you. We're doing all right as as good as twenty twenty will allow right now. Anyway. No. Kidding. It's been a weird year. Why didn't you guys worn us about this horsh did well I'm you know there are some people that did the psychics? Every psychic is different. You know like some psychics do world events and some people find your keys and you know some people. Talk to your dead relatives and and you know some people talked to. Your pets you know they all have different weird stuff and like there's the few you some of these world event people they were just like buzzing. You know they were. They were but still those are the kind of people hiding a basement with aluminum foil her don't get out much because they're so afraid of everything. So they're not the most communicative people in the planet but but they you know they they sit around and feel stuff. Let's GONNA come up. Next I would hate that I would just I would say that I have. For years you know people talked about twenty twenty, they talk about Oh. It's the end of the you know Mayan calendar and the ex you know it was kind of it was similar to the year two thousand except there wasn't the big tech freak out. Right? It was. The end of the world twenty twenty is this other thing and I think even. some I think Sylvia Brown even wrote something in her book about Twenty Twenty there being some sort of pandemic and. I thought that was really interesting because I never took her seriously but it's hard to take seriously but you know. She had a good magic eight ball I think. but everybody talked about it being this crazy thing and of course, you know skeptics like myself and a lot of people it was like, of course, that's nonsense. Of course there's nothing happening, and then right at the top of twenty twenty, we literally global pandemic and then it's just being after thing after thing, and now there's apparently an asteroid. Heading, right for us. It's going to pass. It's going to suck him earth. It might bounce off the Atlantic Ocean or something like. Jesus decided to skip rocks from heaven or something things. And, and it's going to happen. The day after election day or something and I'm depending on who wins I might welcome that damn thing. So. Yeah I mean at this point at this point I'm like, what else can twenty twenty do? I probably shouldn't say that out loud but Jeez, it's been crazy. It has been it has been crazy but you know the cool thing about it is that they're it's you know when when the whole darkness thing comes, it's it supposed to. Show the light you know it's supposed to show the light on people people supposed to shine stronger and the people that are supposed to come into play do because they're they're forced to do it. It's I. Mean I know it sucks in a lot of ways but a lot of people are doing things that they wouldn't have normally done because they're being forced to do it because they're they're being pushed. You know like the. Dark stuff is just saying, no, no, no, and they're fighting back not all of them but most of them, a lot of people are fighting back and they're they're of stand up for himself. So it's Kinda it's Kinda good in a way, but it's for a psychic sucks because the whole vibe of the country you can just feel it. You know you can feel it all the time and people are Kinda just they're just kinda. Down or they're anxious or there. There's this weird vibe and I live. Pretty close to. Where George Floyd got killed and so there's a lot of energy around here about all that stuff and. It's just it's just it's just an odd thing. But ever since I was a kid I grew up around psychics grew up around people that were trying to figure this stuff out and there's always there's always gonna be a year where that was it yesterday's news and I think there's been like five of them since I was a kid where that year we were all going to die and when I was a kid I kind of got scared but then you know after the second or third or fourth time and nothing happened just. Don't. Let it bother me like I used to because I don't really. I don't see an end at times. I'll die someday but I think I think it's really about learning how to overcome all of it as opposed to. As opposed to just giving in into it
Interview with Dr. Hector Garcia
"WanNa welcome my friend Hector here. How how are you I know I ask you how you're doing but give us give us the real deal because a lot of people psychologically are suffering during this time because of masks. Social, distancing at no gatherings of over ten people and all this stuff you and I talked about this a little bit the other day how are you holding up and what kind of recommendations do you have for people who are finding incredibly difficult in this changing world? Oh, it's rough. I mean bottom line is you know we are we've talked about this. We're we're social primates and and we we. Our brains are adapted to interface with other other people and it's it's it's hard. So you know we have to get creative about it used social media you know. Get. Zoom chats I mean interact as much as you can. So how I've been dealing with it is this insufferable insufferable boredom is is just by trying to get creative and I actually. Had A first show on my new youtube? Channel. Dr Hector. Trying to trying to do something like that. But yeah, it's hard read interact exercise trying to gain too much weight. And try not to develop a drinking problem. What can I say I don't know if we put up your splash screen because I was distracted the moment but I know that your new podcast, you were getting help from genetically modified skeptic and you want give him a shot as well. And if there's I, know is the podcast on the link for the splash that up I didn't even say. React should be yeah. Drew McCoy from. The genetically modified kept a key produced it. I love juice show. He's a he's probably one of the smartest young. Free thought content creators out there. So check out his staff to while you're at it. So there's all the information you can use to find more. What are you working on lately or have you started like book number seventy, three or something? You know I I've been just the PODCAST. I'm working on book chapters things like that and evolutionary psych I'm. Kinda staving off the urge to write another book on the psychology of false belief in the in in the. In time of of covid nineteen deniers and people who you know regard a donald trump as as a true bona fide a Christian. You know there's a whole psychology about that that I think the world needs to know about. So trying to not start a new book on because they don't have the time right now but I think probably will end up doing a podcast on that topic because it's it's huge. Well, it'll be interesting and as a reminder, the atheist community of the the atheist experience sponsored by the Atheist Community of Austin a nonprofit nonpartisan. Promoting, positive atheism and the separation of religion and government You can go to eight, thousand, five and community. Dot Org for more information there. What do you think you want to jump in and start talking to some people about what's going on in their lives and what they believe in why list jump in I got it we got Jonathan the UK. Your Question value partners. It seems like you made a good weeks call in about it. Hi Matt. Hi, hi Petra low. I think if I'm right, you'll both go to Christian background. So I think that might help you on. So this one I do not, but go ahead. Okay. God then dismissively Matt. Prima. Listening to a few things in the past you've got much Chris, Candido background and I have and. my wife is a Christian and she's been through some very difficult things of lights and is is worried that the feel that is is punishing her. And I want. So advice on how to handle that without challenging have faith. Because I'm well, I'm happy to challenge group of outside of magical this. Stay married not trying to change about my wife. I understand and I don't think that anybody has having sort of Christian background thoughts on this and I. Think I'm really looking forward to to heck your thoughts on this specifically but it so the question would ask if somebody came to me and said Hey I. Think God is punishing me and this is why things are going wrong in my life. My I don't know how to address that without challenging what their beliefs are you. You are challenging a belief. You don't necessarily have to challenge every aspect of that belief. You can say, well, if God is punishing you I, mean, have you been? Faithful God of us since early reached out to find out what's going on. If you ask God and maybe you're not getting an answer. But if you're doing everything, you can to try to be right with God and God is still punishing you or you think God is still punishing maybe it's possible. You're wrong and that really what's happening here is that God is punishing you but you are the type of person who is looking at this and thinking that's the case and you need. I really can't go beyond that other than saying, how do you tell the difference between I think God is punishing me and got his actually punishing me but I don't know how to ask that without really challenging somebody's face. Yeah, it's hard. My you know the the only thing I would like to say about this is that. When you're going through problems and and you project those problems onto onto God it's just it's almost like you're you're moving your own agency from solving these problems and then it becomes kind of like negativity bias like any bad thing that happens you think, oh, I, am being punished being punished and it just kinda compounds because that's what you're focusing on. It just seems like like a really negative spiral. So I don't know I'm I'm I'm more curious about? The reasons behind why you wouldn't challenge her belief on on this topic besides wanting to stay married as Matt mentioned.
Secular Strategies for Politics
"Welcome to the show. So good to be back with you. I'm doing a couple of shows this week. and. They're kind of across the spectrum. The last show I did. I ever with the Mormon So exciting Mormons tinted stay far away from me. But it was fun actually having a Mormon willing to engage in an actual live debate and we went for like almost three hours and so if you haven't heard the full unedited. Commercialized version of that. The full extended version it's at Patriotair Dot com slash David C smalley. But right now. I'm joined in studio, the One and only Sarah Eleven. God I haven't heard that name in a long time. It's so great to be back. Gosh and it's weird. It's our first time in studio. Yes. You've done a actually come a little closer. You've done a lot of stuff with me, but it's always been over the phone would call in like every week back in the day and the old the old dogma debate days don't even call the show that anymore. but it's like. You've been so active in the political scene and it's funny that there's there are a lot of new people listen to the show now, who have no idea who you are, and then are some of the old school people who were like Sarah. Seeing a long lost cousin. Great. So have you been first and foremost good really well, I just moved to Los. Angeles. So. Thank you. Welcome to the fires and small quakes. It's so disappointing. The first week it was clear skies as beautiful and we were like Oh man we're going to go get our beach tent and and all this stuff, and then it's like now now it's. Hazy skies and it's really depressing and you know I sound like a very privilege right now. Go to the beach. The opposite effect for me the first six weeks I lived here it was rainy and cold, and it was like. I know it was six weeks straight in everybody everywhere I would go they would always go. It's never been like this. We don't know what's happening like it's never been like this I'm going. Yeah. Right and then sure enough it went seven months without raining or something it was gorgeous seventy five degrees every day for nine months out of the year or something, and then it rains again and I'm like, what's this falling on my car? This is bizarre. It is really is really rare that something like this happens, but it's that's what they said about. The last weekend were like this is the hottest weekend and all of all of the year and my place doesn't have air conditioning because it usually doesn't need it most people here that and they're like, why do you not have air conditioning? There are a lot of people go out here a little bit north of Hollywood. So where I am it's common to have AC but down actually on the beach, most people don't because it's like. Seventy S. Literally. Just crack window open your door in. It's fine. but last weekend. Right here where I am I say you a screen shot at one hundred seventeen degrees right here at this spot for you. It was one twenty-one. Few miles away. I can't even imagine one, hundred seventeen. I actually walked outside just to see what it was like literally like an oven it is. You just don't want to do anything used. and. I'll say it's still not as bad as like ninety six degrees in Texas. Because of the humidity humidity, you could take a shower and get out of the TUB and you're sweating and you feel disgusting. It is actually a swamp people forget. Reason more than one reason why it's So let's get into that. They remember you from a different organization. We don't have to dive into all of that, but you are now Founder and principal founder. If you wanted to say with or what, but you're now the founder of secular strategies. So let's get into a little bit of what that means because. I think more than ever. We need that right now just the name it says so much talk about what you do, what you were going to Asians. Sure. So you know I'm I'm really kind of like a meat and potatoes doer and always have been I'm I'm really most interested in just getting things done and getting them done as effectively in strategically as possible and I one of the inspirations for me to start my own company to work with. Clients focused on religious freedom separation of church and state was and you were part of this right in Texas in two thousand sixteen. When we got the secular caucus running that is now totally a pre- pretty much self reliant fundraising for themselves. I would say we spent maybe. A total of like five thousand dollars investing in that in that whole event and that that startup period and. Now, four years later that organization has you know a chair Vice Chair secretary treasurer is raising money got a resolution pass in two local counties van in conversion therapy in Texas. That is and more endorsing candidates. Remember correctly was was that the first ever secular caucus for advancement convention I gave a talk at that. I spoke. I Yeah I remember I remember being able to like I was just I got to say that I got to give a talk at the first ever everyone that's huge. Yeah and now they're like fully functioning. Yeah and now there's one in Nebraska just got one stood up in Florida. So they're they're secular Democrats of Florida and I'm working on. Virginia Colorado And Kentucky now, and we'll get into that in a second but I go back to twenty sixteen when I talk about what I'm doing today because from my perspective. That is one of the highest return on investment projects I have ever done. In terms of how much investment of time and money and the long term offensive because you know, you can do a lot of work but you want your. For me I want to institutionalize things that are going to be self sustaining so that we can I mean from my perspective, we are basically forty fifty years behind the Evangelical, right?
Secular Strategies for Politics
"I'm joined in studio, the One and only Sarah Eleven. God I haven't heard that name in a long time. It's so great to be back. Gosh and it's weird. It's our first time in studio. Yes. You've done a actually come a little closer. You've done a lot of stuff with me, but it's always been over the phone would call in like every week back in the day and the old the old dogma debate days don't even call the show that anymore. but it's like. You've been so active in the political scene and it's funny that there's there are a lot of new people listen to the show now, who have no idea who you are, and then are some of the old school people who were like Sarah. Seeing a long lost cousin. Great. So have you been first and foremost good really well, I just moved to Los. Angeles. So. Thank you. Welcome to the fires and small quakes. It's so disappointing. The first week it was clear skies as beautiful and we were like Oh man we're going to go get our beach tent and and all this stuff, and then it's like now now it's. Hazy skies and it's really depressing and you know I sound like a very privilege right now. Go to the beach. The opposite effect for me the first six weeks I lived here it was rainy and cold, and it was like. I know it was six weeks straight in everybody everywhere I would go they would always go. It's never been like this. We don't know what's happening like it's never been like this I'm going. Yeah. Right and then sure enough it went seven months without raining or something it was gorgeous seventy five degrees every day for nine months out of the year or something, and then it rains again and I'm like, what's this falling on my car? This is bizarre. It is really is really rare that something like this happens, but it's that's what they said about. The last weekend were like this is the hottest weekend and all of all of the year and my place doesn't have air conditioning because it usually doesn't need it most people here that and they're like, why do you not have air conditioning? There are a lot of people go out here a little bit north of Hollywood. So where I am it's common to have AC but down actually on the beach, most people don't because it's like. Seventy S. Literally. Just crack window open your door in. It's fine. but last weekend. Right here where I am I say you a screen shot at one hundred seventeen degrees right here at this spot for you. It was one twenty-one. Few miles away. I can't even imagine one, hundred seventeen. I actually walked outside just to see what it was like literally like an oven it is. You just don't want to do anything used. and. I'll say it's still not as bad as like ninety six degrees in Texas. Because of the humidity humidity, you could take a shower and get out of the TUB and you're sweating and you feel disgusting. It is actually a swamp people forget. Reason more than one reason why it's So let's get into that. They remember you from a different organization. We don't have to dive into all of that, but you are now Founder and principal founder. If you wanted to say with or what, but you're now the founder of secular strategies. So let's get into a little bit of what that means because. I think more than ever. We need that right now just the name it says so much talk about what you do, what you were going to Asians. Sure. So you know I'm I'm really kind of like a meat and potatoes doer and always have been I'm I'm really most interested in just getting things done and getting them done as effectively in strategically as possible and I one of the inspirations for me to start my own company to work with. Clients focused on religious freedom separation of church and state was and you were part of this right in Texas in two thousand sixteen. When we got the secular caucus running that is now totally a pre- pretty much self reliant fundraising for themselves. I would say we spent maybe. A total of like five thousand dollars investing in that in that whole event and that that startup period and. Now, four years later that organization has you know a chair Vice Chair secretary treasurer is raising money got a resolution pass in two local counties van in conversion therapy in Texas. That is and more endorsing candidates. Remember correctly was was that the first ever secular caucus for advancement convention I gave a talk at that. I spoke. I Yeah I remember I remember being able to like I was just I got to say that I got to give a talk at the first ever everyone that's huge. Yeah and now they're like fully functioning. Yeah and now there's one in Nebraska just got one stood up in Florida. So they're they're secular Democrats of Florida and I'm working on. Virginia Colorado And Kentucky now, and we'll get into that in a second but I go back to twenty sixteen when I talk about what I'm doing today because from my perspective. That is one of the highest return on investment projects I have ever done.
Talking About We Agnostics with Dale K.
"Yes, so you you you wrote a book called A secular sobriety, which is basically a secular version of the big book and the first 164 or just the first one 64 and you know, you you really you were it was really interesting the way you wrote it because you you just made some very subtle changes. You would do try to stay pretty true mm original text, but you made some subtle changes which turned out to be fairly significant and we agnostics is one of those chapters that you rewrote and that's one of the chapters that project is one of the most hated chapters in in our community as opposed. It's so why don't you why don't you tell us a little bit about your book why you wrote it and then maybe talk about the chapter the agnostics and what you didn't like about it. And also what you think the author the original author of the original chapter was trying to say Okay. Well, you know the the reason I wrote the book is because I was angry and in fact, most people just start another meeting when they get angry and and and but you wrote a book. Yeah, but wage I have been going to a secular meeting since the mid-eighties exclusively, you know, I left traditional a a and was just going to this page secure a meeting and when I first got sober and eighty one, I was given the the 4th edition. We shut our excuse me the 3rd Edition which was printed in in 79 and So, you know twenty-five years. I knew nothing about traditional anymore. I had no contact with them and then I moved away and my new town had nothing like my old meeting. So I started going to traditional meetings again and I happen to be a a big book meeting and so the next week it was a guy there that I enjoyed so the next week I came with my Third Edition big book and and it didn't take me long to realize that. What they were reading and and what I had in my book was different. I think it was like the page numbers or something or different or something, but Anyway, it was only then that I found out that there was a new addition though. I think we lost him for a little bit. Z this was like 2012 or 13 or something. So I I was like a dozen years behind. But anyway, I thought I was very curious about the new addition and I bought one and when I got home I was very eager to to find out what it changed and stuff. And I thought surely, you know, you know the last twenty or so years. Well, he'll come back. I think the deal was having some internet problems anyway, but I remember that story. He said that he was expecting that the big book would be different because it was a new version and of course it was any different at all. They just they just changed the stories. So yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it and that reminds me of when I was looking into a to get sober and off and attended alateen and so went online and there was a pamphlet for the newcomer, I believe and it off and it said that a a was open to everyone to people of all beliefs and non-belief. And so I thought well who they progressed off I went to meeting and they were guarding all over the place. And so I loved so yes very familiar with that. Well, so the chapter to the agnostics is really Kind of an interesting chapter, I guess from from where I'm at now and I think where other people are too but you know, I I started my journey in sobriety and I will in a real traditional way I suppose at least from my perspective, you know, reading the big book repeatedly and we agnostics is one of those chapters. I thought that that I read and I I considered it to be step to which is basically coming to believe that you know, a power greater than yourself could restore you to sanity home now. I don't think of it that way now, but that's that's what that's what I I thought of the book I thought of that chapter then a step too and and I and I read it and I tried to I try to get something good out of it and I don't think it really bothered me very much all those years that I was reading that there were some chapters some paragraphs in the book that I thought were, you know, helpful, but after some wage Time had passed and I realized I was an atheist and I read that book and I thought to myself I read that chapter and I thought to myself man. They don't this is not right with this but this the chapter you would think it's about how agnostics and atheists can get sober too. But instead it turns out that it's just trying to preach to the atheist and agnostic so that they too could believe in a God and become sober right?
Christian Apologist vs. David C. Smalley
"Well let's dive in. We just had a debate on modern day debate on. Ever. Confused on the topic there for a moment but it was is it is the Christian belief rational. So anyone who hasn't checked that out, they can go to Youtube and type that in you can find us and we also had a debate on Justin Brierley's unbelievable show in the UK and it's funny I hadn't put the pieces together for some reason I. Think I just know you as tentative apologised, which is what you'd go by on twitter. And we had a debate about memes. It was very fun and and people there may be people who are listening right now that a herd of US tentative apologised did not know Uber Randall Rouser I don't remember how that will happen but I remember after our recent debate a set you message and was like wait haven't we debated before and you're be like Oh. Yeah. I guess I left quite the impression. But share you assure you it was about the name that I knew you by not necessarily your ability to have a debate. I mean there's a funny thing there as you know. When you're when you're building a brand. You've got to focus your energies on your brand so On the one hand I started calling myself tentative apologised tries to embody my approach to apologetic intellectual defensive, my beliefs I. I started calling myself that eleven years ago but also published books mean my most recent book is my twelfth one and so it's a zero sum game to some degree the more that you invest in building a brand called attended apologised. Invested in getting your name out there with your books. So I sort of have put more emphasis in the last years on my name rather than my my moniker online. But so that's yeah that's I guess that's my fault I got to apologize for that. We've actually call myself tended apology Dash Randall rouser. That'll be good. The confusion. Yeah. The tentative apologised Randall rouser. Yeah. kind of like a like a UFC fighter the world's most dangerous man. Ken. Shamrock things like that. He was he was on the show and that's how I got to introduce him by the way it was the most dangerous man can can. Yes so so let's talk about in. You're right by the way I did the same thing. I built the brain, of Dogma, debate for. Started as a blog I mean, gosh, two thousand. Eight I think Dogma debate started as a blog by twenty twelve I was doing this version of the podcast and only recently within the last six months or so I've made it my name in the problem with that is my publicists, managers, agents they're all going. We're trying to bill you out on these comedy shows as an actor with an audience but nobody knows your name like what's going on with that? I'm like well, they do domain, but you have to know what you know. So I get out. So that's why we switched everything to my name, the website, the twitter. Everything of course, people will think it's about my ego or that I want a pat on back. It's really about marketability and being recognized and and when you're putting yourself out there and building a brand, you're running your own business and the name of Your Business is you because if I'm going to be you know a lot of times in these smaller films to as an actor, they will book you on a roll based on your audience is. So if you are if you have no followers or nobody knows your name or the biggest thing you ever did you did anonymously. They may not book you because they want you to bring your audience in to watch the film right. So that's why they go for big names in the lead roles. So she's like my manager and my agents were like you really need to streamline everything to David C smalley like across the board and so far it's working I. Thought when I did it people would think I wasn't going to have conversations like this anymore and that worried me that they thought it was abandoning this but I, I think I did a good job of communicating it publicly and nobody has left. So we'll they've left but for different reasons. They didn't leave for that reason. You know. So it is a it is tricky. So I'm glad I did love the dogma debate brand I mean it's a great title but yeah, I perfectly understand where you're coming from. A. Lot of people didn't like it would kind of not really scare Christians away. But for those you know lay Christians who just wanted to have a conversation, which is actually what I do. By the way it's just very respectful. Peaceful Conversations They felt like it was a very formal debate format and they were really intimidated to come on and then when I would actually convince them to they would go listen they'd like Oh you just have conversations with people and I Thought, you know as cool as the Dogma debate name is as popular as it was how it looks nice and tight square blue logo with similar links and everything else. Right. It's just not worth if it's running people off, it needs to be more distinct to what I'm actually talking about. So that's why that's the reason we made the change. So I agree it was fun while it lasted it was good and I still WANNA consider those to be segments on the show like. I'm working right now on putting a debate together to happen on my show, and that will be a dogma debate segment of the David Smalley podcast. So It's you know none of us know what we're doing randall none of us. Now we're just we're trying as we go and everything's trial and error. We're out as we go. Absolutely. Okay. So when I heard the title of your book, the first time I heard it was actually during our debate on modern day debate on YouTube and I was I was thrilled to hear that I immediately knew I wanted to talk to you about that. When you came on my show because it's it's something I wish really every Christian would do you know is to think about what their inner atheist is thinking and a Lotta. Times one of my favorite questions, I, ask believers on the show is I'll say we'll talk about in the Patriots section and I Do a little tease, but always WanNa say what are some things that keep you up at night? What are some things that bother you if there's something in the Bible, you could take out what would it be and only one time in all my years of doing this have someone said the Bible's perfect. The way it is every other time someone picks versa goes oh man, this one really drives me crazy and I can share some of those with us. We go to the show but for the most part when you're the title of your book is exactly that. Conversations with my inner atheist, and then we'll talk about those things that keep me up at night. So what was it about your life in your experiences? That even inspired you to write this book. Well so my story I grew up in a I would say relatively conservative Protestant home so. I'm sure you're familiar with the term evangelical and the term fundamentalist, and it's it's becoming increasingly common to combine those terms and come up with the term funded jellicoe, which sort of gets a sense for a Christian subculture. That's has some characteristics of believe Anjelica and fundamental sort of conservative Protestant. The called common hallmarks of that sort of funded jellicoe tradition include a very strong emphasis upon having the certainty of your convictions knowing what it is you believe in why and doubt is always viewed as the enemy and. Then one of the results of that is you kind of get a very tend to get a very over-simplified black and white picture of reality, and again every time you have a doubt, you don't share it. You try to just suppress it get a simple answer for it. And the thing is that certainly in my experience as I grew up in the eighties and then into university in the nineties, you just find that that's increasingly inadequate paradigm. It just doesn't quite work if you really want to confront the complex to reality and then you have to confront the reality that will then you do have these doubts and questions and what do you do with them, and for me, the big revelation was to come to terms with the fact that the Christian tradition is built grows at Judaism and. The name Israel, which is the people of God in the Old Testament that name itself means he who strives with God.
"Kevin could use to start the ball rolling a bit with this conversation. By kind of sharing I'd love to hear a little bit of your story in in regards to you know your relationship to beliefs and. Religion and how wrestling through all these big questions have impacted you and your journey. Right. That we're going to start two years ago because. I think that's where this present like that experience is most relevant. I started seminary two years ago and I started getting a masters of divinity because I was convinced that. Won't know at the time I really wanted to be a pastor in the classical sense and it was both like i. saw it as like my duty to Mike Community of hurt we're former evangelical to like. Go in and reform the church because that's what we gotta do. The church needs to be saved. The church needs to change I have to be the one to change it that was a big focus of my initial. Foray both into justice work was in reforming policies that in effective people on Church level both local and then policy. Wise. And then it kind of evolved from there into recognizing This is this is a by and large. A system. These questions happened because of seminary I started to study how we got the Old Testament how he got the New Testament, how do we get the Bible in this form and then in the former we have it and then what is history of translation and also what is the history of this text within the context of the cultures around it and what does that mean anthropologically for the development of religion and? You know I comes is hell real necks comes is heaven real than it did Jesus die for nothing and then it's like there's a good question. That's why I now but at the time it was terrifying it was almost as if. If I dropped this belief if I if I move away from this thing who am I? Who am I without the church was really the big question underneath who am I without this institution? And So I started to explore while who would I be I'm just like well who you be if you stayed that's another question you can ask at least for me and I of came to this conclusion of. Honestly it kind of came to the severe like whatever. That's what I. This is where I label like my. Feeling about the church like I. Hope it does good I hope reforms itself but I'm not I'm not going after the big seat search to try and reform it. I've got a CUTE LITTLE BLACK BAPTIST CHURCH I go to Atlanta. We do good by our people and by our community and that's good for me. and I'm just not interested in trying to reform an institution that does not want to be reformed, which is why I think that what I have learned especially since cove began is that an individual practice that connects you to the greater whole? Is can be just as powerful if not more effective in getting you to a place of peace than going to church every Sunday did. and. So that's why I'm kind of exploring right now. What does it look like to keep some sort of? Practice that I make or that I can help others create how can I borrow that from the traditions that I grew up in the traditions of you know from around the world? How do I listen to contemporary voices that are still alive who are teaching us about what it is to be present? Some I'm right now I'm in the middle of a huge experiment, spiritual experimental phase in my life and it's fucking fascinating. I'm super curious about what has supported you to be okay. Being in an experimental phase like what are the inner and social resources that make the experimental? Exciting and adventuresome without it being threatening. Right. I think I definitely had an advantage with my graduate program I switched my program in the middle of it to a masters of Practical Theology which for folks who don't know practical theology is actually study within the field of like seminary studies so off people will do initiatives or will get a. Master's in systematic theology and work through that stuff or History and practical theology has kind of become an academic practice within the past twenty years but it's still kind of the black sheep of the seminary world because what practical theology asks is, what is this doing? Here, and now what does this practice? What does this theology have to do? How does it impact the bodies in the room?
Former Christian Music Singer John Steingard: I No Longer Believe in God
"It was the twentieth of May of this year. John Stein. Guard best known as the lead singer of the Christian band. Hawk. Nelson made a post on instagram. He said this is not a post I ever thought. I. Would. Right. But now I feel like I really need to. I've agonized over whether to say this publicly and if so, how to do it? But I now feel that it's less important how I do it and more important that I do it so here goes. After growing up in a Christian home and being pastor's kid playing and singing and a Christian band, and having the word Christian in front of most of the things in my life, I am now finding that I no longer believe in God. John. Stein. Guards post went viral and became part of a global conversation inside and outside of the contemporary. Christian. Music. Community. That I. say that fairly my friend. Yeah. Yeah. You came out they necessarily. I noticed you wording that carefully I like I didn't say eighth easiest. 'cause I don't know where you are. If somebody says, are you an atheist John? How do you respond to that? Right? Well, I mean at first I was like well, I don't. I don't know that I would call myself an atheist because I think at the at the beginning my understanding of the word atheist meant that someone who believed there was definitively God and I've learned since then you know correct me if this is not correct but. That my understanding now is that the word atheist. Who Lacks a belief in God? an and that is I guess a pool that I'm. At, the very least dipping my toe than. People. You. Know. We're all eager I mean. I'll admit to that first inclination to think, Oh, I. So want him to be in my camp, right? Sure. tribalist where like. Look now we've got somebody who can talk about the. The whole experience of the faith and Christian music. But he's now an atheist and I had that just sort of microseconds excitement before I paused and took some of my own advice and decided not to get hung up on the label. I'm more interested in your journey. Let's talk about hawk. Nelson a lot of people in my audience or just now being introduced to the band I. Sort of did some homework. You tell me how I do on this church, Canadian Christian Band Rock, and pop funk I understand that was sort of. Mitigated a little bit as you took over as lead singer, eight years ago is formed back in two thousand. Eight studio albums pretty impressive resume songs. including. Bring out was featured in a two thousand, five film called yours mine, and ours with Dennis Quaid and Rene Russo. The band I think had a cameo in that film. Right? You Guys Ron. How we actually got to be on set and in the movie voted favorite new artist, my CCA magazine in their reader's choice awards February two, thousand six. You've got some video time on vh one that same year you played, I love the names of these big Christian festivals like creation. Fast you know or when you guys did plenty of those winter jam host live concerts picked up a grammy nomination back in two thousand, eight, the original lead singer and Co founder Jason. Done left the band and twenty twelve replaced by. You John Stein? Garden. And I want to know about you, I, mean I was looking at your discography and you guys were like sold out all in pro Jesus Christian message had an L. type stuff, I? mean. About the band. Yeah. So I think we all grew up. In Christian and Christian environment in Christian culture in sort of towards the late nineties like right around the year two thousand. There was this where we're from in Ontario Canada. There was this. There was this whole vibrant community of like young musicians and people in bands, and so that was like a really normal part of our our culture and it was sort of very tied in with youth groups and churches and stuff like that And initially when we when we started taking the band separately seriously, I was the guitar player just for your audience for clarity. I was the guitar player before I was the singer. So when I became the singer in two, thousand twelve. Does not when I joined the band. I joined the band two, thousand four. but But yeah, early on very like pop punk, a sort of a music and. There was this thing going on in Christian culture at the time. where? Christians wanted sort of Christian versions of popular bands because there was this sort of like movement of like, don't listen to secular listen to Christian music. If you like blink one, eighty two, instead of listening to them, listen to Hawk Nelson like that kind of thing, and so I think early on in our career, we were a little bit more vaguely positive. and. We're just sort of a Christian alternative to bands like blink one, eighty, two or good Charlotte. Radio, we used to call him God or girlfriend song. If you guys did that you talk very guilty, definitely, very guilty of that because crossover I don't know that was a big term when you guys were playing. Christian broadcaster, the the Holy Grail was. Man of you could get this Christian Song on pop and rock radio like. Stream radio and it catches fire. You guys have those sorts of designs on the secular quote Unquote Secular, music? Industry. I mean honestly I think at the beginning, we are philosophy was very intentionally like We want to make music for anyone for for anyone anywhere like that was sort of our approach we. I. Don't think we ever thought like, oh. Let's trying go mainstream or let's try and go Christian like it was sort of like. We just want. We just wanted to play for. You know anyone who who cared. The record time certainly at some point to where the record companies like. Are. They trying to package you or so are initially, we were on this label called tooth and nail out of Seattle and and their their approach to that stuff is pretty hands off like. They were always known for being a a label that would sign bands that had Christians in it, but wasn't like overtly Christian that was sort of their their their their sweet spot and they. They were really like not pushing us to be one or the other
Interview With David S.
"When I group had to move our meetings online because of the coronavirus pandemic, I was concerned that the group might not hold together not everyone likes online meetings, and in fact, I've found that the attendance of the meetings has dropped a bit since we've had to go online. However, there have been some silver linings behind the clouds. There's been some positive benefits to join online and one of those being that I've been able. To meet our guest for this episode, David S, he's from the Casey Metro area, but a little too far away for our meeting place to attend our in person meetings. But since going online, he's been a regular and as I got to know a little bit about him, I wanted to know more. So today he's here and you will have the pleasure of getting to know him to Hello David welcome to a beyond belief. Thank you for inviting me do cardio podcast really looking forward to this. Oh, it's nice to have you here. So I guess you've listened to a couple of episodes. You kind of know what we do here. As I as I told you earlier, it'll be you sharing your story and an I'll be interrupting you with rude comments and. Along the way but It'd be interesting to know your background So maybe we can just follow our standard a formula a little bit. If you could go through your story, you know, when did you start drinking? You know when did interfere with your life? What was it like Dave? Before we get started, do have blind quest Joyce to be wearing pants. You do not have to wear pants. Pants. I'll. Be Right back. Okay. I started drinking Ashley late in life I was I I was raised. Without drinking the House I started drinking a little bit. But. It was a late. Late? Seventies. When I started drinking and I found out that it was magical. and. It took care of all my worries. At that point, we had moved to Kansas City and I was working at a liquor store a store that so beer and wine. And occasionally there would be. An accident in the cooler and one of the cans of beer. Would get damaged, and so they would put it aside and there was this box of what we call bent deer. And they said if you want to take one of those and you can take that home because we can't sell it. So I started doing that and That was my second job. So when I got home I was tired and mandate that be really hit the spot and then I started doing it more and more frequently and then with more and more quantity. And Pretty soon it was. Every night and weekends. and. It was it always worked. Until. One time it didn't I was at a company. Picnic. And the a beer truck pulled up to the picnic. Now when I say a beer, it wasn't a truck with cans or bottles of beer. It was a truck that had a giant keg on the back and spigots on the side and just walk up and help yourself. So that bad boy pulled up to the picnic and I said, well, here's an interesting challenge. See if we can empty this thing. So, I don't remember. Home I don't remember anything the rest of the day. Apparently. A blackout I had gone at bought. More Alcoholic bought. A. Jug of wine which I don't recall. And I woke up the next morning and I said to my wife I think I have a problem actually she reminded me that the first thing I, said was. Are. The kids because at this company Picnic I had three kids was meanwhile yeah and the second thing I said was I think I have a problem And Yeah. I've since asked my daughter my oldest daughter. how did driving home and she said, well, you stay between the lines most of time. Poor thing and. The that's reminds me of how I drank. I would also blackout and I would have for me it was. The next day I was like paranoid that I had done something really awful and that people had seen me and that I would be discovered at work was always the thing for me. So I mean I can totally relate to that feeling and so you had that experience of. Oh Gosh I guess the fear of know you're being out of control putting your. Your family at risk and. You realize that was it. Yes and it was very, very scary. Fortunately in the neighborhood, will you knew a couple both of them were in a A. And So. The wife Barbara was able to help my wife get into Elena. And also helped me in day. So she was pivotal. In our success right from the beginning.
White Nationalist vs. David C. Smalley
"Further ado join me in welcoming Gordon. Call? To The podcast Gordon thanks for joining me today men. Thank you for having me on. So you have a podcast, I can't pronounce it. I don't know why. To just sorry, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Tell you the name of myself? Yeah. Yeah. It's totally the name your podcast and and your your your reason for coming on today. So. I'm Gordon Call I'm the editor of American her dot Org. It's a blog website I host the podcast tune Americana which acting is you know the German word for attention right and then America Connor is a term that some people on. If you WANNA call what I am the right or the dissident right have used to refer to white Americans right It's based on the term for white South Africans Afrikaner. And the idea was to we needed a word to represent the unique white ethnicity of America, right because you know. I. My background I'm German and Irish right I'm a midwestern Mutt but I'm not German and I'm not Irish right. I if I went to either of those countries, I would not culturally fit in there. I am a unique. Example of my background and nation. But Our podcast acting Americana is kind of A. Talk Show I guess we go over different topics and news stories focused primarily on the Midwest and fly over country and we kind of examined them from a white nationalist or distant right pursue. Okay. So do you consider yourself a white supremacist? No. And it would probably depend on what your definition of white supremacist is I've a lot of times people throw that word around to me. What white supremacist connotes is this idea that you want white people to like rule over other races like I don't know like the antebellum south or something like to enslave black people or whatever. I have no interest in that quite frankly if I had my way, I would not live near anybody like I mean I have no desire to rule over other peoples I want to. But quite frankly, I want my people to have the right of self-determination and to be left alone. Okay. So in that in that situation, this is where. I think the the lines will be blurred is, let's say, let's say you had your way and let's say there is a section of America. Let's say thirteen states or fifteen states or whatever that is dedicated just a whites-only. When that became overpopulated and that white part of America wanted to. Expand. Its borders. What would happen I mean? You wouldn't just say well I respect that that's the line. That's the because we're segregated I'm not GonNa Cross it, and we wouldn't you try. Then at that point to take the land of people who weren't like you. I mean isn't that what's happening to Europe and America? Now I mean considering the huge population boom and Africa and the massive population and say China right white white people of European, descent and if you want to get into the what is white debate I'm not really interested in that everyone knows what a white person is. But white people make up like ten percent of the world's population. Total. And the only countries that are being flooded with immigrants of a different race are white countries. You don't see massive populations of Europeans going into say tenure, for example, that is viewed as colonization, which is viewed as an evil act by the left. But when it is done in white countries, it's viewed as progressive and diversity. Okay. So back to my point there's no. Okay. So if you want to ask like what like first of all this whole like ethno state thing I know that that was something that Richard Spencer brought up when he first came on the scene. Like. My thing is this. I whatever idea of an ethno state or whatever people have. You'RE NOT GONNA get that in the foreseeable future for one thing politicians don't even talk about white people in a positive light in America today. So the idea that you're going to have like a political platform of okay we're going to split the states up based on race is ridiculous because you know Donald trump the supposed-, White Supremacist Fascist Nazi president that we have or whatever. Right who all of his children are married to. Jews. Which you know somehow makes him a Nazi. I guess. Like even he the most he said about white people was believe early on in his campaign he mentioned the farm murders in South Africa and then I think like a few weeks ago on an interview he mentioned that white people are killed more often by police than black who which is statistically true obviously their arguments about per capita or whatever yeah which is which Is the entire point not something we could just brush off. I. Mean that is the entire point there. There are far more white people in the country which goes without saying that you know but the percentages are much higher if you're black for you to be shot. So that's why that's problematic is it states something that's a technical fact but missing the entire point of the movement. I mean I guess but I also like I gotta be honest there are tons and tons of political. Groups, NGOs advocacy organizations five Oh, one C. threes what have you dedicated to blacks and black interests just like there are plenty of them dedicated to Jews and Jewish interests. Or Indians right both like native American American Indians right and you know Hindu Indians Arabs what you there are no organizations at all that advocate for the interests of white. Americans.
Hurting for Money
"Hi, guys well from Beautiful Salt Lake City Utah. It's thank God I'm atheist the podcast I'd Frank Feldman and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up on the show today. Dan. Giving out money. Just. Thrown around. Making it rain. I WISH I mean they're doing that for some. I don't know my my my. GIG economy unemployment insurance is is winding down and I don't think I'm going to get any more. So Oh, I'm not excited. About that. But no, I know the the yet the government has found a very worthy repository. For a bunch of our money, our tax money, and let me tell you dear listener. You Ain't GonNa like it. Yeah. Yeah. Not Not a good look. We'll be getting to that. But in the meantime, Dan? Yeah. There's some new psychological research Dan. Okay, that seeks to. Link, atheism. To something and I wanna I wanna I I'm curious. To hear your response. because. Is. It is it. Is it linking. Atheism STD's because that just because we're all sluts. No. In fact to. Emotional suppression. Oh Oh. Oh. Yeah. I duNNo. I feel about that. This is what I'm saying. They did. They did this research on a group of one thousand, fifty, nine undergraduate psychology students. Surveyed them right and they about their religious beliefs and had them complete an assessment of their emotion regulation tendencies, right? Okay. and so about half the participants. Were Christian thirty percent agnostic or non religious fifteen percent identified as atheist and. The remainder was A mix of Muslims Hindus Buddhists Jewish. And then apparently a smattering of others. But Yeah. So what they found is that the self identified atheists. were. More likely to report engaging in emotional suppression meaning. They were more likely to agree with statements like when I am feeling positive emotions I am careful not to express them. K which which is interesting They also took eight atheists an eight religiously affiliated undergraduates They were recorded. As they described a recent experience that made them feel frustrated or annoyed. And a recent experience that made them feel happy or joyful and. A hundred undergraduates watch those videos, right? Okay and they they watched it with audio turned off. And they they re they raided the speakers emotional expressive, nece, their trustworthiness, and they're like ability. Okay and they just based on on seeing them not here. Just watching them talk and tell the story that was an emotional story. Right. Interesting And they had absolutely no idea about which speaker was atheist or Catholic or whatever. And they found that the the atheist were seen as less emotionally expressive on average when compared to the religiously affiliated individuals. Interest. And so they say, let's see this is the researcher. Speaking says compared to non, atheist. which includes acknowledged sticks and the nonreligious as well as believers atheists are not more likely to manage their emotions by thinking differently about situation that was one of the I'm sorry there was this other thing where they. Tried to assess. After, you've had an emotional experience like. Do you try to reassess the emotional the emotions that you felt and the how strong those emotions were right. And so you're saying that the atheists are not more likely to manage their emotions by thinking differently about situations atheists are more likely to resist expressing their emotions however and people. Noticed this even if they don't know someone is an atheist.
Anti Masker vs. David C. Smalley
"One thing about having. A show for so long. As I'm able to build relationships with people. And many of you who've been along the journey with me for so many years know that we love going back and checking up on folks who have been on the show and I would say there's probably out of all the shows we've had this episode I think four, hundred, seventy, five. Holy. Moly. We can really close a five hundred episodes and now that I'm doing two week at least for the time, it's getting there faster. And over ten years out of all that time in all those hours, they're probably still only. Somewhere between five and ten guests that stand out as just the fans absolute favourite like the people that you just absolutely fall in love with. John. Christie, was one of those for sure Kathy Taylor has been one of those for sure the youth pastor John, Gerry has been one of those for sure and I can't name them all I. Don't have a top ten list in my opinion necessarily but the ones I just hear the most from the ones that the listeners really just sort of latch onto in an email me on a regular basis and go hey man, do you have an update on this person? How were they doing or what's going on with this person? Will. Today's guest is absolutely in that list. He's he's one of these guests who came on. And at first angered some people right but. At the same time just started to sort of stroke the heartstrings of so many listeners wanted to reach out to him and make sure he was okay and Sometimes they did it through me sometimes, they may have found on social media I don't know, but it was a very it was it was a loving moment and I even went on a comedy tour. And I was I was doing comedy in Arizona, and this was like last year brought me some time in summer. And a listener came up to me after a comedy show and was like man. That episode just changed my perspective on so much I need to know an update. How's he doing? And the reason it was so impactful because he first came on the show and I think the title of the show was ex gay Christian versus David Small. And he sort of gave the story of how he was no longer gay. He prayed about it God took the urges away and then he was on arguing the Christian. Position. And I just kept thinking was Man. I really hope you know that when the urges do come back or or whatever goes away that that he remembers this conversation and sure enough he did and six months later he came back on the show to inform us that when he did have the urge again and Saul Saul someone that we thought was really attractive. His first two words were damaged David and we had a huge laugh about that and I really connected with this guy, and then he sort of came around to say you know what really a choice. It's a part of who I am and he began challenging religion and in posting differently, and it was just an absolute transformation and I've really valued our friendship. and then he got really popular on Tiktok, and I mean well over two hundred thousand followers on Tiktok as instagram started to grow as well and I was really proud of him. He was taking stances about homework and public schools and he was getting more and more passionate and I love watching his audience grow in watching his passion grow and I just I'm really fond of this guy think he's an absolutely wonderful person and I've seen him go through their struggle and I'm have been proud to call him a friend. And so you can imagine. My absolute dismay. And heartbreak. When I opened instagram. And I see him post. This. I hear these left-wing authoritarian fascist say it's only a mask what you have to worry about. You know they told the Jews the same thing it's only tattoo. What you have to worry about. It's only a gold star. What do you have to worry about? It's only a work camp what do you have to worry about? It's only gas chamber what do you have to worry about? Make It make sense? Ouch.
"Hey every. Tag is well from gorgeous, a little still too hot SALT LAKE CITY UTAH. It's thank God I mean kissed the podcast I'm Frank Feldman and I'm Dan Beecher and coming up. On the show today day on. Trump about trump and we're. GonNa talk about White Evangelical. An article that we both read About, maybe why? Why Evangelical did vote for trump? And it's not for the reasons that liberals like to think so I think it's actually It's an interesting take and one worth talking about if even just if it's. Just sort of as a as a discussion about what America is Nyu. We're that way and. Don't expect it to sound good. Don't don't expect us to come out. Rosie on this one. Oh, Americans America. Yeah America has a concept. People. Artistic. Ship has sailed trae yeah, I think I think we all know Diane got problems. We're not in shining city on the hill or whatever and. smolder smoldering. Shit pile and the devil. We're the tire fire that stinking up the place. Off. Had to be American. Oh, it's fine. It's fine. The other ones who are ruining America right now we're. We're the good ones. It's nice to assure oneself. All right Dan yeah. What are you? Win Covid nineteen I hit. Twelve years ago twelve. Going on thirteen. Did you have any thought about what it might mean for relative Religiosity in America like. Did you think that maybe people might kind of the fence sitters might. Find Faith. Again was thought that that maybe you had I had this thought. I'm just one to two. I know I didn't think that I have given up predicting in the universe because. I'd starting with the with the twenty sixteen elections I have now realised. I have no handle on what human beings do yeah, and it'll just go left every time I think it's GonNa go right well I think a lot of people probably did think like I did where your? Sort of this impulse right that people who who weren't really. They just didn't go to church right, but they still maybe Kinda. SORTA believed in God and so maybe those people would would return right, and we may be an up an uptick. In America in sort of religious observance and whatnot. Well it turns out. that it is the exact opposite. Wrong or at least according? To the state of the Bible survey. That was just released this last week by the American. Bible Society. It was the tenth such survey that they've done. They started in two thousand eleven right. Okay, and they look to see. How many America what percentage of American adults are consider themselves to be? Sort of scripture engaged right? Metric but the they look at how frequently people read. The Bible. And Sort of how? Nobody's ever read the Bible. And what what they consider its impact on their relationships and choices are right sure in the six months span. Between January and the end of June. Yeah. The number of scripturally engaged Americans dropped from twenty eight percent to twenty two point seven percent. Wow, that's thirteen million people who previously. Went to scripture? To seek solace or or a? For better living or whatever. Who stopped doing that just basically were like Oh. This thing doesn't do anything. I mean it's hard to read into exactly what it is i. mean the article kind of speculates Lake. Is this just because they don't have time? Because these are people who got kids at home and a job that? You know telecommuting on. You know like like it. Just people being really busy, or is it potentially? What's? More likely in my mind, which is what you're saying at least to a certain extent, right and no matter what these are people who had a habit. These are thirteen million people who had the habit of going to scripture. Have broken that habit and her going, maybe because they've lived this long, not. You know without the impulse? Maybe
Christian Missionary vs. David C. Smalley
"Welcome to the show. Hopefully, you're well rested. You got lots of sleep. And you're ready to enjoy. A Nice conversation among people who disagree. my guest may not actually have that same courtesy or benefit. Because, he's literally on the other side of the world. he is joining me all the way from Mozambique. He is a missionary and because of the location and sensitivity of the environmental there. We're not going to be using his name today, so please join me in welcoming the missionary in Mozambique who will not be named. Thank you so much for joining me today. Man I appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you David. Appreciate you taking the time to to let me call in and have conversation with you. Hey, this is going to be interesting man, I mean. I. Don't know that I've ever spoken with anyone in Mozambique before. So talk to me, talk to me. The most Americans don't couldn't find it on now, so. Right, so so so do me a favor. Let's talk a little bit about. first of all why you're over there? What's going on and sort of the temperature of the environment? Like what's happening there to make you not really want to reveal your identity today. Yeah, so we rea- my family. I we're missionaries is in northern Mozambique been here several years now and our our goal is to work alongside The established churches that are here. To help train up leaders, and then send them out to begin new work in in. Places where there are not yet searches, and not yet believers and so. I mean that's in in broad terms that that's what we're doing year. That takes all different kinds of forms over here from teaching English to teaching farming techniques to. Doing Bible Studies. All kinds of things so that's basically what my family. And I are doing over here. Things are a little tricky right now. There is some unrest do do some religious extremism. That's happening north of us in in. From where we are living and It has gotten worse and worse over the last two years or so. Things are getting more violence. The refugee problem is just growing I in fact today. I was at a meeting. For several hours talking to. Not just not just other missionaries, but other relief groups that are here trying to manage the flood of refugees that are coming into our town. We live in a town of about one hundred and twenty, thousand on the estimates are that there are now thirty to forty thousand refugees that have. Over the last. Nine months flooded our town. And then they're not just our town and other places, and so just stall the challenge to come with that people that don't have anything you know they're. They left in the middle of the night. They hid out in the Bush for. Hours, and hours just to keep their family safe, and then they. Somehow made their way down to where we're at, and so they don't have anything and so just trying to figure out what what what you weighed Duda alongside these people that have really watson a lot of trauma and suffering so so what? Type of religious extremism is, are they? They Muslims, are they. Somehow anti-christian, or what's going on now it's it's I mean they. They close ties to isis and so that's when they started. Publicly declaring that it raises a lot of eyebrows but the other challenge. Here's the the government whether or not they're able to. To. Handle the issue from a military standpoint from a development standpoint and so there are challenges. Not just with the group, but then in come the government inability to respond to it, and so, but you know they it's. Nobody really knows exactly what's at the bottom of it? Whether truly is religious extremism. In, some people speculate that it's just it's a response to extreme poverty and lack of opportunity that people are are turning to the violence in a way to get what they want quickly There there is a huge gas project that is is happening up here in in so people you're there. Some conspiracy theories about how that HAL unrest. Can benefit certain players within that that. That project so anyway. There's A. On the surface it. Appears to, be, religious. Religious driven! But. Nobody really knows at this point so.
Matt Dillahunty & Scott Clifton: Christian Husband and Atheist Wife
"Let's try Josh in Tennessee. Area There Josh. Hi, this is Josh. You're almost got mad. How are you josh? Hi. I'm. Just wanted I. Actually my life wanted me to call in she's. She's an atheist. I'm. I'm a Christian and so you know. so she's she's. She's really on top of her. Bible, knowledge and And so we're always kind of you know. She's trying to prove God and I'm trying to prove that it's it's the. So her. Yeah I just I just kind of I kind of feel like there's so many. Different personal experiences with with God. that that kind of Kind proves that. That he does exist and Even, we can't see him. But we can certainly. Feel that he is, he's around and in my opinion. How would your wife respond to that she? Basically. Just says that. You got to prove it. and. You mentioned you mentioned personal experiences. You mentioned personal experiences with God I'm wondering if you could give an example of a personal experience with God, and how you know that it's a personal experience of God, because there are people who claim personal experiences with all kinds of gods and with alien abductions and other. How do we know that because you've experienced something that you think is an experience with God that you're right? Prayer and just going kinda going through the motions. Basically, it's you know when obviously everyone has their hard times and everyone has has good times, and I'll let me fallen on hard times. Read you know we. Just. My personal experience I've. You know there's there's You Know God is always proven himself to. You. Know to help me. In the end. So any struggle that had. been really me down completely but I've always. Came out better on the other side yeah. So I understand what you believe happened when I was Africa's. How can we know that's what happened like? You think that God has helped you God spoke to you and you've had some experience God's help you in trying times. How do we show that that's true? Not just you think that God has helped you in those trying to. Well, it's I guess. It's. You. Get that feeling I. Don't know you ever heard of. God bombs like Kinda like the. migos! was bumped channels. You just kind of just get that overwhelming feeling that he's there and yes, so for the record I'm a former Southern Baptist who was going to be a preacher, and who has stood in church, and while praising and singing I've had God bumps goosebumps. EUPHORIA BEEN ECSTATIC convinced that I was in the presence of Holy Spirit. But that's what I was convinced at the. And when investigating and it turns out that I can't demonstrate that that was true. There's no good reason to think it was true. So a couple of occasions here of asked you. How would you know that this is true? And you just keep coming back with the you're convinced. I mean how could all all? It's got jumping because he may have a different take on this but Hawkins. Scott and I know that when you experience God, you're actually experienced God, and not just saying you're experiencing go. I guess that's based on on. You know it's a I would say we you have the. Believe in the Bible and I consider the Bible history, but it's. Don't did all the way from From the old Old Testament New Testament sold. It's basically basically history book. and. you know a lot of the things that? Happened in the Bible reaching kind of some. You can use in our personal experiences and. And I and I do I. Do know that my wife. I obviously pointed out the scriptures that are you know are bad and stuff like that and I get all that you know what about the ones that aren't true like when you go to genesis and the order of events in creation, don't match up with what science says. The order of events would be. Doesn't that Kinda show that that's not accurate. I'm I san as far as you know but we really don't long. What really happened in the beginning? So I mean, but we know there was never a time where there was one man and one woman whose names we knew who were. The originators and progenitor of the entire human species. We know that's not true. Well, we don't. Do, go ahead Scott? Yes. Sure so a Josh a couple of things. Stood out in in what you said. Was that You know based on your experiences? Whenever you've had a hard time, it was God that lifted you up again. Are you familiar with? Confirmation bias this this this biased that we do where we kinda count hits and ignore the MRS, when it comes to interpreting data in light of what we already believe like like. If you're driving on the road and you have this, you have this belief that Asians are bad drivers right anytime. Somebody cuts you off and they happen to be Asian you'RE GONNA. GonNa go see see I, told you. Asians were bad drivers, but you're exploring the hundreds of times. Somebody cuts you off and they're not Asian or the hundreds of times. Somebody doesn't cut you off and they are Asian do. Do you know that that concept where we we kinda? Pick out what fits with our previously existing worldview when we ignore the rest. On my idea I mean I i. See what you're saying that. You know yeah, so. Do you think it's? Possible that the your doing that. I mean when you say that every time you've had a hard time in life God lifted you up again. Is it possible that you're remembering all the times that maybe you prayed and you felt like that prayer was answered, but you're forgetting the hundreds more times when you're having a hard time and God didn't answer you, and maybe maybe you explain that away. Away by saying God works in mysterious ways or got has a lot of people to take care of or God wanted me to learn a lesson from this, but doesn't it seem like we live in a world? That's indistinguishable from God, not existing at all. Would you be saying the same thing if you were a refugee family in in Saudi, Arabia or You see what I'm saying.
Mormons Shirk Leaders Request to Wear Masks
"Going to start with. A story about the. Church of Jesus, Christ of Latter Day saints the Mormons the Mormons. From which we done sprung headquartered right here in Salt Lake City. Yeah, they have the church. Leadership has recently. They sent out a letter to all the numbers. In Utah. This wasn't like directly from like the president of the church. The Pros at himself yeah wasn't even from like the quarter of the twelve, and this was from the area presidency. So these are the assistant regional manager was saying. No literally the regional manager Oh. Yeah, it's the regional manager. That's the regional manager. So the management of the Church's Grassley Saints sent this letter out asking. Members to of the church to wear masks in public yeah, and to be good citizens. And to help the health and Welfare of all. Now before before you go any further. I want to point out that Mormons in general. Are. Obedience driven humans they are. It's an authoritarian. Religion it is one. It is a top down. Do not question the authority religion right, but in a lot of ways sometimes I think the church knows when to be quiet and knows when not to be right like well. They say things that they know are going to go over well, right? this If you know anything about Utah and our general response to Covid nineteen. It. Hasn't been going. In fact in a lot of ways. It's been problematic. The we've got that strain of like right-wing nutjob here in the that. Doesn't. Want to be told what do right. Yeah, in fact and this choice I actually saw something on a related story that had a picture of a mask that somebody had written. My Body my choice. Yeah. So clever. None the less so. And of course the UTAHNS. Stripe tend to be Mormon right. And So. This hasn't necessarily gone over well We, basically we haven't seen more people wearing masks because of this church urging people wear masks what has caused people to wear masks or national chains like Kroger and Wal Mart etc target, also saying that you have to wear a mask in their store. Okay, well a finally finally right and Salt Lake County soon as salt lake. County was allowed by the state to to put in a face mask like rule like law. Right eight a mandate. Order I guess actually probably There was almost like immediate compliance. It was amazing. It was overnight like it wasn't one hundred percent. Obviously. Break the places that I go. It was a noticeable and dramatic difference. Right and that's that's what these things do. You or you place an order? Put an order in place in people comply will nonetheless. Then work with the LDS church. They really are out of touch with their their membership on this. This. This multiple times we saw this when the church provided you know. When they brought a bunch of missionaries, home provided instructions for people. The how to you know what they were to do? When they picked their missionary up, which were summarily ignored, yeah. I? Honestly, it almost is like the church feels like at this point to be the Crotchety old man on the block, right or like grandparents right like maybe not the credit made actually just your grandparents. Who just like? Oh, come on, you're just. You. Don't know what you're talking about right? That's almost like their reaction. The membership reaction at this point of. They. they don't know what they're talking about. And if GRANDPA like really gets mad and insists everybody'll roll their eyes and comply, but like right, which is going to church. They have to wear masks when they go to church, right. It's so funny they won't do it. They will not do it with just out in public on their own. It's amazing and you know when when that news hit I have, course went to very mormon sources like the Desert News, which is the church owned newspaper. And I went I jumped right to the comments section because I wanted to see what was happening. Are they accepting this or are they rejecting it because it's literally like the the organization that they believe the most telling them to do something that they have? Four squares set their mind against and. It was shocking to see how many Mormons because Mormons don't disobey the brethren. They don't yeah. So many Mormons going. We'll do from the Prophet so I. Don't have to listen to it. Yeah, looking for any excuse, right? It was amazing to me.
Thoughts and Prayers Are Costing Us a Fortune
"Our lead story tonight after much hemming and Hong about the downsides financial accountability in government, the trump administration reluctantly agreed to release a Herschel accounting of whatever happened to those billions upon billions of dollars entrusted to them under the Corona Virus Aid Relief and Economic Securities Act and confirmed every terrible thing. We assumed about the administration's stewardship of our money, including the fact that they didn't give two shits. If you found out how crooked they're stewardship of our money has bet. But to be fair unless your doctor evil. You'RE GONNA be way off on the numbers. Terrifying Republicans actually argued that oversight of the giant Relief Fund to make sure the money gets distributed responsibly would be an irresponsible west of government mony. Exactly now we don't have all the details because these numbers were released in such a way as to ensure that plenty of outright theft could still happen. Only recipients who received over one hundred and fifty thousand loans were listed, and all we were given was a range so given how much information was made public, if the administration straight up pocketed half of it, we wouldn't know about that yet, but even what we do know is plenty to raise eyebrows like for example. Find out when we get trump's tax returns. Yeah, right right now as soon as the audits over for example, a couple of things to already piss you off. The number of businesses directly connected to members of Goddamn Congress and the trump administration that were approved for loans, or for the fact, that is not the line ran. Institute got sticking. Out of the deal, but the number that really leaves off the page me is the nearly ten billion dollars that went directly into the pockets of clergy. Okay to be fair America's biggest export is being wrong. No. Meat Supply. What you mean. Whatever? I. Say the Ayn Rand Yassin. toot, except in a government bailout apply for government. bailouts lasts yes, just weeping as they did. A hard one. Oh I bet it wasn't for him though because they never meant what they said, anyway in all according to estimates from American atheist, churches receive between six point, two and nine point seven billion dollars minimum. Right now we don't know 'cause. They only released ranges, but keep in mind. The any church got one, hundred, forty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred and ninety nine dollars, or less, isn't on the list. In addition to that another four point eight billion went to private schools, predominantly Christian wants, and you know according to Bucket Supreme Court. That's the same as the church when they want it to be. You there's a bunch of those churches at one, forty, nine, nine, nine nine. teed. Yeah exactly so as American atheist, President Nick Fish pointed out quote in two months. The trump administration has given churches and religious schools more than double the CDC's annual budget and quote. So you know when it comes to corona virus mitigation, the most expensive ticket item right now might actually be thoughts and prayers.
Matt Dillahunty, Jim Barrows, and the Monty Hall problem
"Imminent Ohio. Who wants to tell us how? The monty hall problem proves there's almost certainly no god how you doing. I'm good, thank you for taking my call man Jim Hello so! Could you start with explaining what the Money High Hall problem is for those people who don't know. Maybe if I sent the hypotheses, though this might go a little bit better, but I'll do it if that's what you think stupidest so I'll do it that way. so the the Monty Hall problem is the game show from the past, and the host would show you three doors ABC and he would ask you to There'd be a prized behind one of them, and then I think the goats behind the other two, and he would ask you to pick a door. And, so you'd say well I. Don't know. I gotta one in three shots here. all go with door. A I've always liked the letter A. and my wife's middle initials as so let's go with day. And those who say Oh really a well. Let me show you. What's behind door be so he'd open door. Be and you'd find out that there's a go there and so then you're going. Oh cool. So then the host would ask you a question and he would ask you. Do you want to change your vote now? You WANNA switch from door to door see. And you're thinking will no. I don't want to switch my vote. I had a one in three shot before. And now it's fifty fifty, so my my chances are. Ev improved. You know and I've always loved the letter. A. And my wife is never wrong, so I'll stick with A. And this is intuitively what you should be doing. Is You feel it feels like your chances of their increased? But the truth of the matter is is that your chances have not increased at all and what you're. You're what you're seeing. Here is a false choice between it's either. A or at, sea. But really it is a or is it. And so the chance you're correct, remained a one third chance and the chance that you're wrong. Is two-thirds see so? You really should absolutely switching your vote at this point, right? Sure and this is. This is a problem that they've gotten wrong a lot so I go. Well I mean anybody can go. You can go to wikipedia. Look this up. You can find youtube videos described this I. Remember hearing about it, you know when I was much much younger Maryland, Voss savant, or whatever had had written an article about it and people couldn't believe that you know you're that you should switch and all of a sudden. There's a number of ways when I want to know is what the hell does this have to do with God belief as a great question so I. Think this comes up a lot when people come in and call in and ask you about like Pascal Wager, or and I'm going to talk specifically about a call that happened with you guys back and say September, but P. People consider it to be and I'm just because I want to be crystal clear I'm going to say did God create the universe right, so people think it's either God created the universe, or it's not God created converts. And like literally. Caller. That's true God created. The Universe or God didn't create univer. That's true. That's just a straight dichotomy. That is true, and but but people like they see it as fifty fifty, but not fifty fifty. Is it I mean you obviously knew this you? You talked about this and that phone. Call that I'm referencing from a long time ago. it's more into. Is it yellow or is it not yellow, right? There's yellow things, and then there's red and orange things, and then there's all the other things that like you know. Doesn't even make sense and still nothing like the Monty Hall Problem Okay so I'm sorry. At least you threw me off by having me do that. Part I, so let me try to get there, so I'd like to. Explore what is the chance that God created the universe and what I'm going to do is assume a high chance. That God created the universe and a very low chance that not God created the inverse. Okay, so just because we're talking on a phone call here. I'M GONNA. Keep the numbers simple, but they're obviously more complex than this, but out of one out of one hundred chance. Let's give one out of one. Hundred is not God side I, assuming a very low chance. Something not God created the universe. This is where you'd find your universe, creating Pixel. And let's assume a very high chance. A God created the universe. The ninety nine chance out of one hundred eight guide, craving numbers, and just to be fair, because obviously you and I don't have a horse in this race. We'll give one chance to every God. We can think of God of the Bible that got around the God of the tour. You know north guys native American Gods Tom. No pause, you just completely screwed this to where it's completely untenable, you cannot have ninety nine options that God created the universe, and then assign one to each individual. God because only one of those can actually be correct, so you only have a one ninety eight now giving your example, you've already screwed up the math and options on this.
Archbishop of Canterbury says Church needs to reconsider portraying Jesus as white
"I WANNA. Do a follow up a little bit on. Something that we've talked about. A couple of weeks now on the show or at least come up and then we kind of really addressed it. And that's the idea of like white Jesus right why Jesus Jesus so this is an ongoing saga. of people rightfully pointing out the fact that the European and North American version of Jesus is. Racist. Wrong. It's wrong, and it's an an and it's. Definitely leads to sort of this white supremacy sort of thing right because like. Devoid surpremacy leading-edge. Yeah absolutely well. As? The arch. Bitch Bishop of Canterbury one Mr Justin Welby He's the head of the Church of England of course He was on the BBC. BBC Radio Four. And he was asked about what he thought about the Western image of Jesus, and maybe if it should be reimagined. And goes sure, yes, of course, it does right. And he, which I guess probably is not all that surprising. When you know a few things about you know Church of England, but he goes on. He says that he has seen Jesus portrayed in different countries during his travels. You go into their churches, and you don't see a white Jesus you see a black Jesus or Chinese, Jesus or Middle Eastern Jesus, which is of course, the most accurate. you see Jian Jesus you see Jesus portrayed as many ways as there are cultures languages. An understanding's is what he says. Okay, and so I've never seen a Figi Jesus. Will. Have you ever been to Fiji? I have a feeling he might have been. Sure why not but nonetheless the? This caused a little bit of a stir in the UK, you know. People are going to disagree with any sort of thing. Anyway. He was denounced by all sorts of types I'm sure they're conservative types, or whatever right, but one of the things. That I think this raises. Is. It kind of a question of if you know. If you can create your God basically in your own image, right? Right like what? What does it matter? Doesn't that just backup the whole thing that you are creating your God own image? Always you're. You're like like right, so it's just made manifest this thing that people already already do and it's just so just so happens it. It's little problematic. Extra problematic perhaps with white people. Really to think we're the best you know. It's just so funny it's just like I. If you are unwilling to just go with the historical guy that you're pretending is, the is the reason for your whole religion like there's this. That you're super into. He's your, do yeah. If. You can't just go with him right. then. You're making it up. You're admitting that you're making it up. So I think you got a bit of a problem there. Guys let him be Middle Eastern what's the problem? You know what he looked like. We all know if you if I showed you twenty two pictures of. dudes from different parts of the world, said point to the guys that might be Middle Eastern. You're probably going to get it right. Yeah as four you know. Which one of these do you think Jesus actually looked like? ooh, that's. Why is that so hard? That, why is that so hard?
"Oh wait, Jesus. What are we going to do with you? I just I find it so funny that the people who argue against taking down racists statues keep trying to come up with something to put at the end of their slippery slope, and we keep in like yeah. No I could do without that to. Keep saying Shit like well. What are we going to tear down statues of George Washington? Just because he wore the teeth of the human beings that he owned, and we keep seeing like. How are you not hearing this? Right and of course the latest failed float parade. A horrible was white Jesus. A Bunch Heritage Not Hate U. N Word Lover. Types tried to that rhetorical question on over the last week or so, they're like. Yeah, well next up. You gotTa try to tear it out. The statue of Jesus and we're like. I mean I wouldn't stop you if you were tearing down if you wanted to do that, because like honestly, what could be a greater symbol of racism? Then White Jesus. According to their religion Jesus was the only perfect human being historically, of course he's Brown, but they turned him white. Because how could a perfect person be brown whiting up the guy? The entire religion supposed to emulate is the very definition of white supremacy. Hell, even referring to him by his anglicized name instead of. The name he would have had is a vestige of white supremacy. And that's to be expected. It's a religion of racism, so we shouldn't be surprised that their simplest racist. Even before we start setting it on fire, think about it what set Christianity apart from other religions of a stay was by and large. It's claim to universality right. Most religions word of varying degrees exclusionary back then. They were a way of marking the end group from the outgrew. Gods are different from their gods, and that's why we all stick together and our group. The idea of monotheism wasn't new. Obviously, they copied that off the Jewish. Kids paper along with most of their holy book, plenty of religions at the time believed that there's was the only real. God but Christianity was one of the few that also believe they were supposed to convert every other damn body to their religion. Now I that's just a cult with an aggressive strategy, but once that religion seeps into a culture at large. It's Kinda hard to imagine how that doesn't lead to a AAs supremacy type attitude. You in Christians went out into the world they were going out into the theological backwaters matter which direction they went, even when they happen upon cultures that were very clearly more advanced than their own. You know like like he didn't China in the Middle East their religion still convinced them that they were superior to these people I mean. Jesus is the one True Path to God and these idiots had never even heard of him before. How advanced could they possibly be? And with those tenuous justifications Christianity set out to enslave colonize loot, subjugate and genocide every part of the world they could put their fucking feed on all the while, bearing the Bible as their badge inside their book, they found ready justification for every heinous crime. They committed white. Jesus reigned over all of it in silent approval. But one of the Jesus, they were worshiping look like the Jesus of history. Would it have been harder to justify their crusades if the people were killing in Christ's name, look more like him than you did. What would have been harder to maintain a skin color based system of slavery if your Messiah had the same skin color as your slaves. Would it have been as easy for the twentieth century to embrace the racist underpinnings of Eugenics if they had to declare Jesus inferior to get there. Might be no across the board. Right like I mean. They do seem to know that Jesus was Middle Eastern. They do seem to recognize that he wasn't a white dude most of the time, but when they picture, what do they picture? were. They imagined the face of Christ. They imagine a white face or a black one.
Atheists in Recovery
"When your podcast came out, I was really excited to see another podcast that's devoted to. Really pointed towards secular people in recovery. Because you know not too long ago, I would say about five years ago. More maybe even time goes by, but it was really difficult to find anything online that was. Addressing issues for people in recovery who happened to be atheists agnostic or have a secular worldview, and it's good to see more of this information becoming available now I think it's important. Yes, yeah I. Definitely Agree In fact, the reason that I started the podcast was because clients would come to me and they would say. Listen I don't I. DON'T WANNA I don't believe in the God. Thing I don't feel like a as is a good fit for me. and I need some alternative ways to recover. In so! It was for them, but selfishly it was also for me, because I've met all these amazing Hud casters and people from around the globe that are doing this work that I didn't even know existed a little. Over a year ago, so Pretty Amazing. Let's go to your background a little bit your professional background. If you don't mind, what got you interested in treating people substance abuse to begin with. Well I so, I moved from upstate. New York to Virginia I'll make this short story. But. I moved here for a job in a locked in patients that get your unit and. I would treat individuals on a unit I would do their. Their hearings as well to commit them to the unit in what I saw over and over again, where like these these young vibrant? Children you know thirteen fourteen fifteen years old they come in, and we would treat them during your quotes. Is for as long as their insurance would allow would be five days, and then we would send them out into the world, and it just felt like such a inhumane thing to do because they weren't ready. And so that's why I wanted to to study addiction in deteriorate how I could provide more resources to my community in. I knew that there needed there had been a better way. Than what we were doing that, treat him in. St Them type of mentality. Yeah. That's that's really important it does seem to be actually in mental health. Altogether I have a brother who has mental health issues. Serious ones schizo affective and that type of that type of illness, really requires a lot of follow up and for those people to really have any chance of recovery. because. They're his recovery depends completely on his willingness to take the medication that prevents them from having psychotic episodes, and without regular, follow up. He's not going to take that medication, and unfortunately what happens in our society the way that our? Mental health system is. I. Guess is like you say you. Treat them, and you let them go and. Then, and then they're off their medication. It's impossible to get them almost impossible to get them back into treatment again, so it's really difficult, and I can see that also happening with substance abuse to well I, know it does especially. On the. People that are struggling right now financially anyway, to get treatment and then just to be put out there on their own. So Yeah Yeah. So you're also interested in facing in dealing with or helping women in particular, and that's interesting, of course you know, women have their own. Set of issues and I have a lot of women, friends and recovery, and a lot of them will have groups specifically for women and some of them even tell me that they speak differently in their women's groups and they do in men's group. I wonder if you might be able to talk a little bit about. The specific issues that are facing women in recovery today. So when I did my dissertation Research I'm teen years ago. One of the findings. That coming up one of the themes that could coming out was that. Would only start the recovery process. At at the. Willingness of the of their partners I asked. The women were partners to receive treatment, but then they would be held back by the partners. Will of you if you will get better than that means that I need to look at myself. You'RE GONNA. Leave 'cause you're going to be elevated at the slow down here. So that was one of the challenges, and then of course like all the challenges that come with. With being a woman. In today's society in a childcare yet, sometimes having to be this run breadwinner into hiding, manage all those things and then also. Put your recovery I just really difficult conditions. I also found it interesting that the other areas that you like to work in is on helping children with trauma and also people who to help people manage their anger and emotions better, and both of those are really connected to addiction, and I'm learning more now about the role that trauma plays in a person's likelihood to become an addict later on in
Americans are Uncomfortable With Going Back to Church
"Survey. Oh. Good survey from taken by the American Enterprise, institute, has shown that sixty four percent of American churchgoers. Were somewhat uncomfortable or very uncomfortable with attending in person worship. Sixty four percent sixty four percent, in fact, what they found was basically only one group is Gung Ho on going back to Church and that's why evangelical 's. Right no surprise there if you know the news. Yeah if you add up there somewhat comfortable, and they're very comfortable's. It's. Sixty one percent of them are all about. Thirty. Four percent of them are very comfortable with going back to. Yeah because they because not only do they get to engage in the worship that is so important to them, but also they get to pony lives. Show us. What idiots we are. Yeah, Yeah so apparently. Even those who reported that their congregations offer actually offered. Worship last week, Fifty, six percent of respondents said they chose not to go. Yeah, and you know. I mean obviously like one of the hotspots repeatedly everywhere this Cova. Is seems like Church's just keep popping up like that was one of the first stories coming out of South Korea right was there was a church like a crazy colty church, but nonetheless. I think that's. Probably. But that was one of the hot spots, and that that was one of the big spreaders of Covid, nineteen and obviously we're seeing that in the United States. We're we're. We're just seeing it right like this is operatives These are the kinds of places that people who care about their health and their communities health. Should, be staying away from and a lot of Christians actually do agree with that depending on their denomination if you look at Black Protestants. And add their numbers up. Sixty eight percent are. Either somewhat uncomfortable or very uncomfortable. Well. Yeah, because it's because this thing is killing them in disproportionate numbers so. I can see why. Hispanic Catholics seventy three percent are are on the uncomfortable side. Really Yeah, yeah, that's that's. That's a number that means something. Yeah, and you're white mainline Protestants. It's sixty at three percent well. Yeah, I mean I'm you know talking to my mom hi mom, if you're listening. The other day, and she was saying that you know she. Attends, a free often attend an Anglican a Canadian Anglican Church She goes there mostly for the for the. For the free coffee I think anyway And music, doesn't she really liked the? It's the Camaraderie and the people. She loves the people there and I don't blame her for that tall any who? She said that they're not going to be going until like late in the fall at the earliest. Really. Yeah fantastic. That's not even an option, so I I mean they're. They're doing it right up there i. don't know about what what the Anglicans are doing down here, but. Well Lake. PISCOPO, here, so yeah. Definitely not Anglican. We broke off from that country. Diane exactly. Anyway. Yeah I just think it's kind of interesting. To contemplate re where people's this raises an interesting thing right like it does ask people where their priorities are right and this is something that is really supposedly really important to them going church right right and their belief in God and one of the things that they're God requires them to be active participants in their religious community. I would assume that's why they go right right and because why, like honestly, I mean God bless your mother and everything I guess friends. Get you there right like I can. But. Those people I think are trying to earn points in heaven. Right sure. And, so anyway, where was my? My point was my point. That's that's the new memoir. That's the title of your memoir now. I. Don't lose it that often. So my point is that. You know when you look at. Where these where people are putting their priorities, right? They're having to do this balancing act between their health. And God right and they're and they're and him parole needs for most people they're proving. They're proving that they are actually rational actors. They're choosing their health their choosing the tangible. They're choosing what is right in front of them over what? I mean the Evangelical. Christians there, the Rangers in this in this game right there. The good ones because they're not letting some dumb disease getting the way. They're God demand of them, and they're going in there doing yeah, and if they died they, they go to heaven and God's. Right and I heard that I've heard that quote. In meet. Why haven't I in articles I've Read I've seen that quote where people are just like like. Yeah, you know like if I get. It gets God's will. God's will be done. You know and it's like. Oh. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty
Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty & Shannon Q: Nephilim
"Earl in New York. If you click a button is there early, new. York has proof of the Netflix Mural Shaniqua and matt. How're you? How are you doing well? Happy Father's Day to you that I'm not a father. I, am a mother or so. I've been told many many many many. Many Times. General but. Yeah so I believe I have information in popular evidence of Methuselah Aka giants as about in the Bible. Okay? What is your evidence now? Don't get triggered now. Don't get triggered that because it does have a lot of a fight, Bible references. that. Bible references don't trigger me, but I'm interested. If Bible references are so also earn evidence like a well I. mean that's sort of confusing me. Because like in my mind, the way I see it is no somebody wrote a letter back in the day and has the name. Well different from the Bible that has like no real Arthur's or you know energy. Don't know who will each book. We only know based on like sort of documentaries conspiracies in so on and so forth. That's confusing to me. Still getting to wear it might be evidence, or are you saying that if something was written down by someone at some point in time that it must be evidence well, not that it must be, but I'd say close to it in my in my perspective, but you know it doesn't work. Everybody understand that. It'd be a form of evidence, but it's not I suppose at anyway. Sorry, go ahead, man! In well to get to my evidence. I have actually photographed I'm looking at right now. I'm dying skills and giant gold flake. They're not like human proportions. They look like human skulls and human bones, and it's on, but right now based on the texts here based on information that explains certain things it says you know these are giants funds so IBM. And everything, but I have it all in front of me and I can okay. I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA interrupt you for one second because I think that we're going to go down a rabbit trail. All might come down to this. It sounds to me like you saw something on the Internet that looks like or is presenting you information that suggesting that these. Skulls and you just you believed it because it confirms something that's in the Bible, and you already want to believe what's in the Bible so that Dutt though that may qualify some form of evidence. That's certainly not enough evidence to convince anybody that's reasonable and confused as to. Why just looking at something that you saw on the Internet would be enough evidence to convince you read. So wondering which pictures you're actually looking at because some of the pictures that have reported been skeletons are known exposed hoaxes right so without knowing which one you're looking at question is then by any chance that could send you this information. You look over your so sure you can send email with links to TV at atheist. Hyphen community DOT ORG and I'll make sure that I forwarded to channel that. Once I can you repeat that again? TV TV at Atheist Hyphen Community Dot org, or you could google giant skeleton hoax and see if your picture appears amongst the ones that are known host hoaxes. Yeah, because if you don't have any other evidence to cooperate what you're looking at, it's it's. It's disheartening to me, dot. You would believe what you're looking at. When there's so much contrary evidence like if if that was really valid evidence and not one of these hoaxes that are used to convince impressionable people than you would see, it would be prominent like you would. You would see it would pervade archaeological an appeal to logical papers. There'd be papers written on it so. I would ask. This would be national geographic or Today Scholarly professors at university etc, and it wouldn't be just click bait photo on the Internet because this would fundamentally change. Huge things that we understand about our history, and so if if these were things were real, and the evidence was forum, it wouldn't just be on the conspiracy theorists, website or through some Google search this. Conspiracy Theorists website. To. See It on anywhere other than experience, conspiracy, websites or websites exposing those conspiracy theories. Because because was terribly. This is necessarily a conspiracy theory topic. Because if in fact, there were good photographic evidence to show that there were there used to be giants. Their entire scientific community is conspiring to keep that evidence from coming to light in any responsible fashion. That's why it fits into conspiracy. And, what? What did you do to validate it all? That would be my question aside from seeing it and being compelled by just onsite. What did you do to to confirm the validity of what you were looking at aside from believing it because it comports with a daddy much confirmative. Ability of it because I don't really know how. I don't want. So! You found something on the Internet you didn't do anything to come. I didn't actually find it. into me. You're set you something on the Internet. You didn't bother to do any research at all. You just call us to your homework for you. I guess yeah. You're on well. I can't give input on something I haven't seen. And while I'm happy to let you email us It would be nice and I'll say this to other people to measure beating you up. It'd be nice if some of you guys. Did your own homework just a little bit like spent four five seconds you because. If you have an image, you can do a Google image search and find out where else that's been reported. Maybe you find a news article about it because when you send it to me, that's what I'm GonNa. Do and my question is. Why should I spend all this time doing work that you could do just so you don't have to. Yeah and earl before we let you go I. Earl Earl. Interrupt, you for a second because I think this is an important port and I'm sorry to interrupt. You seem like you seem like a nice gentleman This is something that I say all the time I channel and it's something I wish people would do more often. It's advocate for your own and. People need to understand source methodologies significantly better. A lot of us are compelled to believe things that were exposed to because of confirmation bias, or or because of crowd conformity. There's a million reasons that we can be compelled and feel justified in believing things that don't actually make sense when you hold them up to scrutiny so I would encourage you before you call into another show before. Before you, start to report this or or put it out or spread it around. Do some advocating for your own understanding. Figure out how you would verify something like this. Go and find the sources do what Matt said and do a Google image search that like what you're doing now is a good step I. Suppose because you're actually seeking out people that are very likely to not. Not believe what you're saying just on face value, but there's a very good reason why ray earl is because we're not able to cooperate or validate what you're saying. Just you making a claim now? This happened to you I. Think what you need to do is learn how to source these things out so that they're not just surprisingly compelling to you and they become a little bit. Bit more novel, and that might be a journey towards uncovering more about what you believe in why I'm but a quick Google search will get you there where you want to go. I is a place called slopes, s., and E. ES DOT com, because if you go to slopes, dot com, there's a site there. That is fact Jack Giant human skeleton photographs that has went up January twenty, twenty, nineteen, covering a number different photographs, showing that this is false that these these are and so you'll be able to peruse through that link on smokes to see if the pictures that you got were amongst those that were hoaxes. A okay. To you know, gain some insight on how to get started on it of course image, Google, Google administered since on, and I thought I'd try. You would find other photos like this and it wouldn't really. Anything. There were there were number of like digital art. Contest sites ran these they were compiled together. Some of them as hoaxes. You know where to look at it in a voter shop perspective stuff all kinds of problems, none of it. is accepted as science or anything that is consistent with the known history of the world, but.
The Atheist Experience with Matt Dillahunty & Lloyd Evans
"Telling you. Guys are no longer quarantined has got you know so. That's nice. Maybe I can go out I can go anywhere. I like in the car. Don't wish to Ruben though I can go anywhere I like in the car. Or okay. And actually it's annoying to me right now, because basically the mayor of Austin has announced like a day or so ago that. Because there's been an increase in uptick since I, started opening things up that he's probably going to extend the stay at home order, which was supposed to end on the tomorrow the fifteenth and I haven't heard yet. If the announcements been made, it may be that it gets made tomorrow. I don't know I. Get frustrated because on the rare occasions when I do have to go out like I have to get groceries or do whatever I find myself like physically bristling at all the idiots that aren't social, distancing an art, wearing masks and our. Hey, let's go down to the beach and let's go downtown. A party and I can I can understand a grant. Not, necessarily in favor of taking the risk for protest, but I mean you know Bach lives matter and we're in this constant state where it seems like somebody some African. American male is going to be killed by the cops any given week. And I think that's an important thing to address so I'm not down on the protest I. Wish people would be a little more safe and a little 'cause This cursing not gone, and we have several states who started to reopen and what we've seen is an uptick in the number of hospitalizations, and that's going to be the prime driving factor whether or not the mayor of Austin keeps it that way for for Travis County. Ration- of other people is just lacking in general in society nowadays, isn't it? I mean you would think that black lives master would just be a given. The people don't get behind it, but just lack of consideration for other people's experience Israeli. There's a lot of lot of positions that I. think should be met with well Duh and they're not. Yeah some cases they're met with. No, no, no. Don't say that say lives matter right so when we're trying to save the rainforest. You'RE GONNA. Come up and say hey. For strikes they've all forests you know. Don't do any research on prostate cancer cure all cancer we did. The black lives matter livestream my channel today and one of my guess came up with an excellent answer to lives must've from Matthew Iowa. Uh, you know what Jesus says you. If you're missing a sheep, don't you? Leave all of your chic behind and go find your lost sheep right well. Shouldn't the same logic apply when you have an entire demographic, the suffering inequality and injustice. Don't you focus on that so i? The Biblical explanation I've heard wildlife, Mahama Gosh we're GONNA have to put that in front of. In front of every Christian, who doesn't seem to understand it, but I don't know
"Wrote Donald Trump a letter. This. Guests getting quite a letters these days. Yeah well, maybe not all as. Sort of fawning. As this one. This. Those. This was written by. Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. Catholic archbishop. The best kind of Archbishop Oscar me. WHO He has some ideas that he wanted to share with Donald trump a thousand God the coronavirus pandemic about black lives matter Oh. and sort of their connect these two things these two. Things are happening in our in our world in our in our in our country and and how they relate to the deep state. Oh the deep state heap stay very very real thing. Apparently a certain segment of our society actually talk about yeah, and apparently the coronavirus pandemic and. The protests that have come about due to. The murder of George Floyd. Are All part of a deep state plot to hurt the president's reelection. I have the list from an archbishop from an archbishop. Apparently, maybe I mean. He still holds the title Archbishop. He's retired. he's one of these Catholic figures who stands in sort of Contrast to Pope Francis. Who you know like Pope Francis. Actually come out and said things about the black live matte. Black lives matter protests in support of sort of this movement of anti racism that really gaining a lot of both attention and steam and support. and. And so pope. Francis is on that side. Apparently, there is like this conservative Nutjob side of the Catholic Church which of course makes? You, just say the words, and it makes total sense yeah. I wasn't aware that that wasn't the only side. Right. Yeah, I, guess Pope. Francis is actually more of the surprising side. But nonetheless. The letter is. Insanity I actually have a copy at? Marked some some parts that I really like or at least. I don't really like what he's saying. Right yes, he's lights highlights. He says there are those who serve themselves. Said there are two sides right Let let me back up in the letter. Just love it. He's he's sort of setting up this like this dynamic of there being two sides, there's the. The the the offspring of the woman, and the offspring of the serpent right. On the one hand, though there are those who, although they have a thousand defects and weaknesses are motivated by a desire to do good to be honest to raise a family to engage in work to give prosperity to their homeland help the needy and on the other hand there are those who serve themselves who do not hold any anymore principles who wants to demolish the nation exploited workers make themselves unduly wealthy foam, internal divisions, boys, and accumulate power and money. Guess what side he puts out from. He's not putting him in the most obvious side which is. People who don't have any moral principles and exploited writers and foment internal divisions in wars and accumulate power and money. He's not putting that side. Has? acidy to say. To. Mr President. You may not be aware of this, but here there's this group of people you wouldn't even know that they exist because you're so saintly, but there's this group of people who unlike you. Are Super Interested in their own personal gain and ripping other people off so that they become for their own aggrandizement mazing right now he says in society Mr President these two opposing realities coexist as eternal enemies, and it appears that the children of darkness who we may easily identify with the deep state, which you wisely oppose, and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days have decided to show their cards by revealing their plans right. So apparently. Apparently, these plans are. The to take this cove emergency, right? which is you know he says. He we will also discover that these that the riots in these days were provoked by those who seeing the virus is inevitably fading. And that the social arm of the pandemic is waning, necessarily have had to provoke civil disturbances. It is quite wire that the use of street protests is instrumental to the purposes of those who would like to see someone elected in the upcoming presidential elections who embodies the goals of the deep state? It will not be surprising if in a few months we learn once again the hidden behind these acts of vandalism and violence. There are those who hoped to profit from the dissolution of the social order, so as to build a wall, a world without freedom. Wow! That's a hell of a thing. How do you look at these current events? and. Come up with this I. Don't Know Monsignor Q. and non is is definitely. Smoking his own his own pipe there again. I it gets better Dan there's more there's more he says. Just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays dude I love it. which so? Full Dan Brown now. And keep going and for swears it's proper commitments before God. Thus the invisible enemy, whom good rulers fight against public affairs is also fought against by good shepherds in the cleese. Fear.