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Offers an intense perspective on the issues and feelings most prescient in the poet's mind to that end Ellie Ellie Sada's latest collection towards the end challenges a range of concerns troubling our contemporary world today. So Ellie welcome back to three. Ci Thank you. Thanks for having me Nev- it. The title here. Seems a little ominous towards the end leading to the end of the world as we know it but the world as we know it I you know I think as I was. Finalizing the book Earlier in the year. And I'm thinking well. This is a bit of a melodramatic title. And then I turn on the news now. Actually I just step out at you know to the back yard and I can't breathe because of the ember storm you know. This is interesting learning new language. Courtesy of the Times. We live in so there. Is You know parts of Australia. Burning soon have another of the horse. Men of of the apocalypse disease being unleashed in Wuhan China. At exact same time we had you know trump trying desperately to start the Third World War by by killing that Iranian General I thought well the four horsemen are here so my title was in to a to an in some ways necessarily see the physical demise here. It's it's more for the values and concerns that we hold dear if I may I'll just read the first poem and we can discuss it in a little more detail. It's called the singer. This is how I croon my son singing Humpty dumpty a melody. He screams out in the absence of my song. I wasn't nearly as loud toddler. My voice vanished from the void of my father's car father's es sorry. I remember him having vaguely while driving wrapped up in his own world in mind. My son's medley moves onto Jack and Jill recalling the tune. I whistled yesterday. Did it ever exist? Did I ever have a voice? Even as an infant to seek to mit a whimper. Our member dad crying out the lyrics of an old Persian. Dirge wobbling from the speaker's not long after moving to Australia homesickness. Haunting his larynx like ghost howling in a haunted house. So much for parenting the loss of the music I never could muster. I'm here for my son's nursery rhymes to enact the presence unsung words now. My interpretation and this is the thing about poetry. It's open to all sorts of possibilities. The music the music of the child the music of the father and the music of your father and your music seems to get lost in there somewhere and your voice. Because there's your father recollecting purge at the music is a wider connect with these past life your son Humpty Dumpty Jack and Jill vs the medleys all Utah of the future. So but this is my interpretation. But I'm just wondering if that coincides with your intention but also then the question Your Voice. Your music Great I just want to say that you read it very well and I think I would like you to do all my readings from here on if that's okay look into. I guess I wouldn't call it an ironing. It's too weak word but I guess the contradiction is that it's actually written in my voice. The whole poem is actually in my voice. It's a little bit like Plato in the Republic. Saying all this nasty things about art but the Republicans written as a play with characters. So you know there's that sort of again i. I guess this is paradox. I guess is the word so so here is a Paul supporters. You know saying I don't have a voice but it's actually nothing but the poet's voice I think that that's sort of the lost there and it's something that identify in the rest of the collection is not so much for voice of personal you know emotional autobiographical identity. But one of something deeper something more more meaningful which are identified to be the voice of universal human subjectivity. Now that's one of the oldest things that poets tried to do scene at a time of the great epic poets. They want. I wanted to speak on behalf of humanity. Now this is something. A modern poetry mob has certainly rejected strongly beginning with romanticism. Which says look you know. It's just you the lyric I expressing your feelings. All the way to sort of like postmodernism and which says the lyric is bad but any mention of we is also not okay. Only he only express the immediacy of language. And that's all you ever do and I kind of feel like well. I don't I mean I I mean that's a tall these traditions but the quest that I guess I felt as I was putting the poems in this book together on a road some additional poems and arranged upon where particular wide at Kinda tells of sort of a story and is not so much about finding my personal voice. You know how do I how do I express myself? But it's about well. What is the voice? That's is needed for our times. And I think that's the kind of the big universal question which is perhaps even a political question. Wouldn't you raise some very mighty topics vertical philosophical social There's one called saga the more obscure and undesirable the more palatable. Ice Scowl still bothers me. And she's been dead for at least a decade. Her husband comically defendant. A downtrodden man wants a Communist. How much more fascinating radical with? My grandparents emigres escaping style and coming to Iran to found a trotskyite cell instead of Banal Matriarch and dull ethics patriarch immersed in gossip and religion. As a child. I hated any a few things more than being left alone with him. He once believed in the dictatorship of the proletariat when he died. I couldn't some in a single tear from my added on to his grandson. He'd being so simple meaningless as for Anna perhaps not really possible that she migrated as a teenage girl from Baku to Iran for more exceptional reason than giving birth to a son. Who'd made a woman who didn't give birth to me? Jeans are poor substitute for the fable of revolutions that universal family. Thank you but this notion of needing a viable needing a sag that's momentous and yet the irony or the opposite is the sort of mundane Mundane missive life Yeah totally I mean. I think you know this is my third book of poems. I kind of exhausted. That's sort of like Again reflection on the personal and familial and the mundane I know. That's what a lot of poets do and they do. Well you know since I mean who's to say that William Williams was wrong to talk about her red wheelbarrow on K. Good not yourself that and I've done that but I kind of feel like especially the Times though was writing this collection of putting it together and I kind of begins around the time that I live into by and this is two thousand and eight and I see the global financial crisis at that really impacts me and I feel like perhaps there is a tradition of poetry that is much more easily impacted by what's happening in the world by the economic social and political. Then there are other traditions. You know the the great sort of I mean this is this is again. It is also paradoxical thing we think about romanticism. We think well. It's the poetry of you know some some English Dandy wandering around and looking at daffodils. Okay it's that but it is also the poetry of the same Dandy as a young person going to be a part of the French Revolution. So so you know that sort of again. I feel like there is a a traditional poetry. That is more public. That is more We can talk about its political. Buddy and what what sense of the word is as as people listening to this and listening to your excellent readings of my poems that. I'm not a preachy person. Nevertheless these are poems that express a desire for universality of the human experience. I mean you've got some lovely lines at times. I mean the economy's manifest destiny and that juxtapose -sition manifest destiny was part of the American agenda expansion prearranged by God over an indefinite area and yet now applying that to the economy as that he's now want is determining allies those sorts of images and juxtapose that you've created. I forget which one that was in their alphabet city Alphabet yeah so that. That's sort of those the images that you're able to provide to make us think more profoundly more deeply. Yeah thanks I I mean I mean you know it's Yeah it's a kind of again referenced. Historical things look as you said manifest destiny but that that particular Isabelle a cafe. They used to being in North called alphabet city. And and and you know I mean I. I was away from Australia for some time. Then I came back and didn't move back to Northcote. Couldn't afford it but but eventually when I went back and also well I go to this cafe where I used to hang out and it's just not there anymore and and I will on why you know what what is happening here. Look really and I thought well. It's there is to concreteness of the city. Being being pulverized due to the forces of capital and nobody I mean. It's it's an absurd thing to say what I don't want this old. You know cafe to be knocked down and replaced by auto residential flats built with you know to to enhance the value of capital for investors. Who Am I to say no to that? But I mean that's a very symbolic and visible way in which our lives are being impacted by this extraordinary juggernaut of capital to use a Marxist term the jagged of capital in many ways destroys the spirit of a place. I mean one of the things I've noticed in my son is that when I first moved in the dwellings were sort of seventies style and such like and now they being pulled down and two story brick mausoleums going from fence. Lan Events Line What is the old quarter Acre block and the veggie patch in the back? But it's it's a Y Y of how life is represented we see as leading allies and it's being destroyed in many